Demographic Winter - the decline of the human family-6.avi

[rends]

Pause at 4:57 and show it to a feminist. Step-MOTHERS fuck you up.

[avidalocan]

Also, the only thing those poor countries have, in terms of material capital, is the ability to have a lot of children. If they know that many children are needed in the West, they'll just have bigger families to mitigate that loss. Children are their future, so they have to factor that in. THere's no pension plan or superannuation there. If you don't have enough kids, you die poor, old and alone.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

too bad the internet was invented, and materialism WILL come to poor countries, African countries are doing what we are doing too, it just hasn't hit the mainstream culture yet.

This is also irrelevant because if the only people left were people from countries like Nigeria, they would not have enough genetic variance to survive.

Humans were more genetically variant in the past, we aren't anymore. We can't survive in low numbers anymore(at least not that low).

[110301839]

@ultimatetalesfan19 Have you ever been to Africa? The way African economies are set up is very difficult for materialism to survive for that long. We do have materialism but on a very low rate that it's unrecognizable. So materialism will never survive in Africa at least the leaders will never let it survive. The western culture is so sick to the extent that you almost feel like committing suicide, I lived in New York before and the only thing people are after is money, they eat while walking.

[ptbwf]

@110301839

that is what a lot of Asian countries thought...

China will create materialism in Africa all by itself.

[avidalocan]

The Baby Boomer era was a period when old values about having many children collided with the first time science, medicine, agriculture and global peace were able to keep those children alive. Before, disease, infant mortality, food shortages and wars curtailed any massive growth. Technological improvement + relatively unpolluted environment + relative peace + cultural values supporting large families = massive baby boom. Take a card or two out of that and you can watch the house crumble fast.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

Individuality+materialism=lowe­r birth rate.

It doesn't matter how much technology you develop, people just won't want to have kids, and they won't.

Social lives dominate everything, it doesn't matter if you are immune from diseases and don't have much violence to deal with, if you don't want to have kids, your future is over, and if that is the only way to have what your neighbor has, you do it in today's world.

The population will drop indefinitely.

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 I agree totally. That's why I said "cultural values supporting large families". Remove that card from the pack, and you have no great population growth. In fact, you don't even have replacement without immigration from countries that don't need all the people they have. For example, a young Japanese, German or even American would have little to gain economically by migrating to population-shrinking Russia for example, while an Ethiopian or a Laotian might.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan What you don't get is that now that we have the internet and a global culture(and there is one now)of liberalism, the countries that 'don't need all the people they have', ACTUALLY DO need those people.

Capitalism is actually causing the life blood of continents like Africa to flow into continents like Europe, while poisoning that blood through the cultures of liberalism in Europe, so actually Africans will die out as well.

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 Do you believe that economically, Pakistan needs 176 million (half the population of the US), Nigeria needs 158 million, Bangladesh needs 150 million and Mexico needs 112 million? And does India need all 1210 million of its people? If there's a 50-80 million shortfall in every major Western centre (US, EU, Japan), that's only 240 million total. It is achievable, because not all countries have strong enough economies to provide work for the many people they have.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

yes, because the women's rights, gay activists etc will continue to grow in those countries, threatening that population.

There also won't just be a 50 to 80 million shortfall in the western centered countries if we keep going, eventually it will be over 200 million and more(putting huge dents in those populations, considering that is youth being taken away)

Mexico also has a low birth rate already, they don't have that many children either.

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 So are you trying to say that the overall world population growth rate will go into the negative? That there won't be as many people now as in 2020, 2030, 2050? That's insane. Of course there will be more than now, its just that there will be less of the pure whites, meaning more genetic diversity not less. It's been shown that genetic diversity in people makes them look more attractive, be smarter, healthier and more fertile. How can interbreeding with other races be bad?

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

You are not understanding what I am saying, I am saying that the west will INBREED(because only the small, faithful religious communities will survive at this rate, we will have to screw our family members to keep reproducing), not interbreed(racially we will have to do that anyway, eventually) .

There won't be as many people in 2050 as we have now, that is guaranteed. The death of the baby boomers will negate any growth we could possibly have from the rest of the world, and more.

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 Globally, the population will be higher in 2050 than now. You are wrong about that. It's just that population growth from within the country will need to be supplemented by immigration. Because that immigration likely won't be quite enough to cover for the massive drop in internal population growth, measures to increase population growth will be required.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

so you are telling me that the largest generation EVER can be replaced by a significantly smaller generation that is only growing in a few countries? That is crazy and nonsensical.

Do you not realize that the number of children GLOBALLY has DROPPED since the 1990's?

Even with the massive growth in Africa and India during that time, the drop in the number of children in Europe and elsewhere easily covered up that gain and further reduced the number of children.

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 What, in your estimation, will be the global population in 2050? Also, a smaller number of people can produce a generation larger than it - after all, isn't that what the Baby Boomers were when they were born? If you seriously believe that global population will decline, you are wrong because many people still have more than a replacement level of offspring. It's just that its not in the beloved West, for many reason. The majority still overreplace their numbers.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

the only reason why the third world is growing is because of aid from the WEST(which is dying).

The drop in birth rate in the US and Europe, totally eclipsed any increase in babies from Africa and the rest of the world, even during their greatest growth periods ever.

The global population in 2050 will be a tiny bit less than 2045, but by 2070, the global population will drop down to 2025 levels and then we are in rapid freefall to extinction

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 Largely, it would be the overwhelming preponderance of the Baby Boomer generation, who hit their strides in the 1990s economically and consolidated it over the 2000s, that was responsible for the reduction in number of children by 1990. Simply put, there was just too many people by then. Prior to that, essential things like jobs, housing, health service etc were easier to come by. As the domination of the boomers became stronger, larger families were too hard to maintain.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

when the baby boomers die, that will be over 1 billion people worldwide GONE(they are the global majority generation in a planet of over 6 billion).

Do you think that Africa will ever have half that many children born? Even with India helping them, and emerging countries like the Philippines helping them, they will never get close to that. Not to mention the number of children born in the west will continue to drop so the world will never have 1 billion children again.

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 What I can envision is severe labour shortages while we support that global 1 billion baby boomer group. But when they are gone, it will balance out more. People over 65 in the West don't work like Third World people over 65 work, on the whole. So yes, we are going to hit serious problems but the death of the 1 billion will mean that the whole system downscales to something more balanced, not so bloated in any one particular age category so much numerically like it does now.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

how will it be more balanced?

Will the youth of tomorrow be able to support us when we are older with their smaller numbers?

The answer is no, it won't be much different than us supporting the baby boomers.

How are a increasingly falling number of children going to support a bigger group of older people?

If this keeps up, the number of children in 200 years, will be outnumbered by older people by as much as 6 to 1(MUCH worse than the situation we will have).

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 By the time Generation X are of the age where they need to be supported by younger people, we will have had 20 years of supporting the Baby Boomers last one or two decades. So the infrastructure needed to support GenX's last years will actually be underburdened. By the time the first wave of GenX's reture, aged care will be a widespread profession, government support of the aged will be massively ramped up, cost effective techniques to assist the elderly will be developed.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

you act like having social security, medicare and medicaid for decades, has helped with their efficiency on a economic level.

It hasn't, it is actually worse and going down to nothing(people like myself will not get social security, it will be dead long before I retire, and social security was actually our best socialized program)

If anything we will have a harder time as old people are swindled out of their money by professional crooks.

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 Why should an abnormally large "growth spurt" in population lead to unrecoverably low population levels for generations after? Surely there's been periods of relatively good economic conditions, perhaps even great conditions, for their times that led to equally relatively large population explosions in the span of one generation, at points throughout history. If so, why didn't that lead to our decimation and eventual extinction? It must be because it is recoverable over time.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

You also don't realize that interbreeding won't increase genetic diversity because there will be less whites and less blacks to breed with each other(less available genetic variants for offspring), and that offspring will breed with each other as they shrink in number, lessening the gene pool anyway.

Interracial children have more genetic variants because they have genes from 2 different racial groups, white children and black children don't, not because they are superhuman.

[avidalocan]

Birth rates depend on cultural values about desirable numbers of children plus economic factors about the cost to raise them. Both of those are the opposite of what they were post-WWII. However, the overall world population rate has grown so much that we will never run out of young people, but just need to move them from surplus countries (Africa, parts of Asia) to deficit ones (the West and Japan).

[ultimatetalesfan19]

actually if Asia and Africa's kids leave for the west and other areas that need children, that reduces the growth in their own country, while the taxes forced on the kids going to elderly nations, will cause them to have less kids than what they used to in their old country.

Eventually Africa(western Africa, the rest of Africa is not doing that great birth rate wise either) will have basically NO children, while the west's immigrants continue to decline in birth rates...

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 It all comes down to a supply demand ratio, but I do agree with those points. The fact remains however than a Nigerian, whose country I am quite well acquainted with having lived there for three months, will very rarely earn the sort of salary he could get in the West in his own country. So it will be a case of whoever is offering the best deal will attract the best candidates. People will be like commodities today - produced by the poor and capitalised on by the rich.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

What if Nigerians began questioning whether they should continue to help the growth of the west and decided to pretend the west didn't exist(which if the west continues to decline, we won't exist anyway, there won't be any pay for immigrants)? The west would inbreed itself to death, while the same problem that is happening in the west, would now happen to Africa and elsewhere.

humans will be extinct if we allow this more than 2 generations from now, that is guaranteed.

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 Are you aware that in developing countries, the percentage of people who are children (under 15) in their population is usually around 50%? So of those billions of millions of people in Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh and India, more than 50% of them will still be of breeding age 20 years or more from now, which coincides perfectly with the final demise of the 1 billion boomers.

[110301839]

@avidalocan The whole argument behind this is that the white population is reducing rapidly, they can't say it publicly coz it will sound resist. But to tell me that the world population is reducing is simply not true coz people in third world countries breed like rabbits and ur actually right about that. But white people aren't having enough babies.

[110301839]

@avidalocanThe whole argument behind this is that the white population is reducing rapidly, they can't say it publicly coz it will sound racist. But to tell me that the world population is reducing is simply not true coz people in third world countries breed like rabbits and ur actually right about that. But white people aren't having enough babies.

[ptbwf]

@avidalocan

Pakistan and Bangladesh are actually decreasing in birth rates.

[akoposiebok]

this documentary is an exageration.

[craulton]

One of the most terrifying documentaries I've ever seen...

[avidalocan]

It's a small problem in the sense that when the baby boomers actually die off, the bulk of which will within 15-20 years after retirement, the relative proportions will be more balanced out once again. Yes there will be a dearth of children relative to the 1946-1980 period, but that was a period of unusually high birth levels. Real population growth was limited prior to that due to much higher infant mortality rates. It was a population anomaly and will not be repeated for many decades.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@avidalocan

no, you really don't get it.

WE will be then the baby boomer generation compared to the future world.

The birth rate is DROPPING, not going back up on average.

The birth rate today will be high compared to 50 years from now(if things don't change).

Infant mortality couldn't have been as high as you think, because humanity would not have survived, we were not a dying world in the pre 1946 eras, we were growing enough to colonize the world from tiny villages.

[avidalocan]

@ultimatetalesfan19 What's happening is that people are seeing that there are a lot more 60+ people out there as a proportion NOW in the West than there were at any time in the past. We all know why - Baby Boomers were a numerically humungous group. But when they are gone, the proportions of varying age groups will be more balanced out - the 60+s will be roughly the same as the 30-60s and not that much more than the 20-30s or younger, because the 60+s in 2030 won't be as many as in 2010 by far.

[videoguy604]

You know what, there's a funny thing about children. They have this tendency to transform into adults. Maybe society should be focusing on what's best for the adults because every child that doesn't die young is going to become one.

[nrang1]

@videoguy604 Maybe people shouldn't be selish like you and should live for their family instead of their right to play video games all day or have a career, funny if all that is meant to make you happy why is this generation the most medicated or in therapy, truth is people reject what nature intended for them and go for the artifical, then they wake up at 50 alone with an emptyness in them realizing what they once thought made them happy in fact didn't.

[011nathi]

@nrang1 I agree with you... people today are very very selfish.. and are becoming robots..

[hellsunicorn]

@videoguy604 The fact that you can't comprehend a recourse where the needs of both children and adults are satisfied shows your incompetence. Given all this, I'd recommend not breeding, it'll make things easier on the rest of us.

[ultimatetalesfan19]

@videoguy604

YOU ARE A CHILD still, dumbass.

These thoughts of self gratitude are what children have always had(which is why humans were designed to only have these thoughts when they were little and harmless to society at large).

The problem is that people are literally living with the mind of a child in many ways, until they die.

[videoguy604]

@ultimatetalesfan19 And what's the problem with that?

[videoguy604]

Hey Russia, I have a solution. You've got a big country up in the north that nobody really wants, sounds a lot like Canada. Why don't you dump your giant army and nuclear stockpile and reduce your military budget to the size of Canada's. Then put all that cash into making life better for your citizens. And Uncle Sam, were you listening too?

[hellsunicorn]

@videoguy604 While I agree with the idea of cutting the military budget insofar as cutting our ridiculous overseas adventurism, when civilized people don't have defense forces, they tend to get overrun by the more primitive and savage types, such as was the case with Rome. I'd recommend you spend less time babbling and more time watching the movie you're commenting on, maybe you'll learn something.

[videoguy604]

The HORRORS, China will have to focus on developing internal consumption rather than being a nation of slaves who make cheap crap and dump in on our shores!

[Dasein512]

I like to poop.