Digging Main Line - Storm and Sanitary Sewers

[welderboy14]

i have watched this video twice before but this is the first Time i noticed that Eastindian Truck driver at 6:08 Could Speak ENGLISH!!!!!! its a miracle

lol

[spoterkill]

ps mac ,only idiots dig with cleanup pales

[spoterkill]

we've all done it but ,should've rode the manhole cage up a couple feet with the legs

[kimchiman1000]

@spoterkill

Yep!

[84kdmiller]

I know there is a fine line with production vs safety . But when you set the mainline box back in you are very unsafe . It is hard to tell how far off the bottom you are . But it also look like you had to save blacktop for a temp patch vs a resurface . I wouldn't of posted this For the simple fact it is an illegal ditch even with the box in . There must be a slope away from the box depending where your at 18-24 inches below the box slope to the correct soil class A B or C . BE SAFE

[kimchiman1000]

All good points you make. In my area, I believe the top of the box has to be at least a foot above the ground surface. I posted it, but was careful not to show anything that identifies the company in question, lest they get in trouble from this video.

The company in question here was not big on safety at ALL. That is one of the principal reasons I don't work there any more.

[BlackMac525]

i like how you keep the spillage to a minamum but work safe would have your ass for having that cage below road grade. The digging looks pretty easy why dont you have the clean up on sinse you are digging a wide trench

[kimchiman1000]

No cleanup on because the bottom of the trench was benched, so one side was deeper by about four feet. Cleanup was too wide to fit in there.

I hear ya on the remark about the cage. That's one for the boss, who wouldn't hear of it, even though the other (top) cage was sitting just to the side. Slows down 'production' don't ya know!

Fair comment tho...

Thanks.

[DieselProductionz85]

is this like town highway department/city , or is this a separate company

[humanmoron]

why not pull the box and work from the front?

[BlackMac525]

nice scratches on the counter weight , I've fired guys for that .. the house keeping could be better too

[kimchiman1000]

Agreed. Not my scratches or my housekeeping. Those are all from the guy who OWNS that machine, unfortunately.

Were it my machine to do so, I'd fire guys for that also. That is part of the reason I could not stay there - ZERO professionalism.

[tommoreid]

americans so slow doing any work and also make such a big deal out off every job

[robby844]

and you think these guys are fast?

[kimchiman1000]

Anything but fast. This is the slowest company that I've ever worked for. Probably less than half the daily production of other companies that I've worked for.

Too bad.

:(

[robby844]

yeah iknow.the company i worked for was getting one to two pipe per 5-6 mins.we used CAT tho.

[spoterkill]

@robby844 thats bull,you weren't on the road the probably a strata subdivision digging around nothing

[robby844]

@spoterkill hahahhahah youve never seen a real contractor then.

[spoterkill]

@robby844 you might get that if there was nothing in your way.but if you got services in the way your dreamin,ps i've been a pipelayer for awhile now,been around alot of big companies.

[robby844]

@spoterkill wow you havent seen bubalo or rasic dig.

[spoterkill]

@robby844 no,no that i haven't,american companies?

[robby844]

@spoterkill yes american.when i was with rasic we had a job that ran 800 miles from nevada thru arizona into california.the bid was for almost 3 years we got it done in less than a year and a half.

[brasmussen81]

@robby844 That is impressive. How big of a crew/s?

[robby844]

@brasmussen81 i dont really know since i was only the mechanic. we had three shifts working 24/6. sunday was the day we had to maintain all the equipment.nothing like double pay :D

[vontrop]

@kimchiman1000 hey bro, why is the machine pulling off line to set the pipe from the side? it must have been uncomfortable getting the pipe home from the side like that.

i am not being a smart ass , maybee i am missing something

[kimchiman1000]

@vontrop

Y'know, I don't remember any more. I'd have to watch the vid again, LOL! Long time ago...

[98Cariline]

@vontrop . amateure hour, must be bosses son

[spoterkill]

@tommoreid those aren't americans

[spitgalore]

Is that round cement thing a manhole column? When fixing the road, how high is a "raised man-hole" cover? Do all the coloured hard-hats signify Rank, for example, Engineer, Foreman, Lead Hand, Labourers, Traffic Directors, etc.? Thanks for sharing.

[superkerb]

are your labourers from Fortel??????

[54spiritedwill54]

dude, your videos are awesome.

[chevyh20]

not a good idea for your pipeman to step outside that trench box. lol

[volvo240b]

i like your video i used to do drainage but its the same thing over and over gets boring

[AlanMolstad]

What we do now in this situation is dig a way bigger hole for the manhole getting it within 2 or 3 feet of final grade, then pound down sheet pileings all around the outer edge, then I go down there and check with the laser for grade.The hole is big enough to fit the bucket of the digger.

how do you do it?

[kimchiman1000]

Basically the same, but without the sheet piles. Just six inches extra depth for bedding, and that's it.

I've got another video on this subject. If you want to look for it, it's called, 'Placing a Shoring Cage', I think. Different company - different technique, etc.

[AlanMolstad]

at 2:14, is that a Manhole trenchbox thats on it's way up?

I have never seen that before.

I would like to know about this...

I work in the same job and would like to see this type of trenchbox used here.

As far as I know, I have not seen one used in my state yet....

[kimchiman1000]

Yeah. They can be handy. They're a lot lighter than a regular heavy cage, and strong enough. Just a big piece of corrugated steel culvert with notches cut into it for going over pipes, etc.

[AlanMolstad]

are they homemade or do trenchbox builders also make them?

The reason I ask is that if it was homemade then that would not fly with OSHA here, but if it were totally legal I might like to see where we could get one.

[AlanMolstad]

One thing however , due to the smaller size I would think it's hard to dig inside?

This must mean before you set the MH trenchbox down into the hole you get the digging very close to final grade correct?

If so that means a guy has to sneak out there and see how deep you are before the walls are supported?

[Hduppln]

im from southern california and there are at lots of companys that specialize in nothing but renting and selling shoring. including steel box's of all shapes and sizes manhole boxes and rounds as well as trench plates and trench jacks, testing equipment, and lasers.

[kimchiman1000]

I'm only guessing, but I don't think that it was home made. They rented it, probably from United Rentals. I know they got the other cages from there. If they rent them, they'll probably sell 'em too, I guess.

[Hduppln]

often times if the material is poor and will not hold up long enough on its own to place a box particulary in the sandy areas in the desert we will dig as far as we can without losing the trench, place a box, then dig inside the box with the excavator as you dig down you also tap the box with the bucket sort of pounding it down. theres actually quite an art to doing it especially if your stacking several boxes as you dig deeper

[robby844]

there is not art to digging with shoring.you put the shit in the ground dig and pull.thats it.

[Hduppln]

yeah in perfect conditions thats somewhat true but try doing it 20 ft deep in sandy material that wont hold up long enough to dig deeper than about 5 feet or when u have existing utilites all around u or both. where i work in souther california sugar sands are very common im sure you already knew that tho right???

[87blueman]

Can anyone tell me why out west it seems that every excavator has some for of cab guarding on it, a hydraulic thumb, and the popular use of smooth egde ditching/cleanup style buckets, or a tooth bucket with a flat bar welded across the teeth are mostly used for digging while in Ontairo hydraulic thumbs and cab guarding is rare and we use tooth buckets more then smooth buckets. An explanation of some sort would be appreciated.

[kimchiman1000]

Couldn't tell ya.

But I'll guess that it's something to do with one guy sees another guy with a thumb and guarding on a machine, and maybe it catches on locally, while in other areas where people haven't see it much, maybe it just doesn't catch on. Kind of a long 'I don't know.', eh?

It's kind of like in Europe most of the backhoes are sideshift, while in North America, they're almost all center mount. I chalk it up to psychology; people get used to a one concept, while others never see it.

[87blueman]

True enough thanks for the reply.

[STIKILLAEVOIXMR]

well you run the hoe very well! is this in washington? i hope you didn't get popped for not having another box stacked above the ac

[kimchiman1000]

BC.

We had another box to stack, and should have been using it, but this was another shot I didn't get to call.

It seems that so many places I've worked, the operator's opinion is the last one that they listen to.

[STIKILLAEVOIXMR]

i bet your loosing you ass on this job! you don't need two pipe layers for concrete, if you got skills that is

[kimchiman1000]

Agreed.

Not my job though - I just run the hoe, not call the shots.

[aaronhedberg]

dude, your videos are awesome. I want to become a construction worker when I grow up!

[kimchiman1000]

Me too!

[solar140]

I'm doing the same sort of job as this at the moment with a Komatsu PC350LC, finding it hard to get any video though. I've been digging quite a bit deeper than you though lol. Nice job ;-)

[bedaman10]

dude im sure hes duggen deeper

[solar140]

I'm sure he has DUDE!!!! Not in this video though eh?