Spring must have been a long time coming for ole DP.. Hes bitchin about the guys selling 2 L/M units for use in automoblies on a U-tube video series running generators on HHO.. Me thinks desertphile has been " rocking da ganga" just a little too much ! lol
I don't plan on spliting the H from the O , I like just how it comes out of the bubbler just fine. I even like the humidity factor.
I know of people compressing HHO to higher then normal pressures already. I don't want to give anyone any ideas in that direction. The ones who are, know what they are doing. I just did a rebuild and went to 60 duro neopreme gaskets and am loving every minute of it ! Twin 32,8x8s Rocks !
What? The oil? Its really not that bad. I have done oil changes where the oil drained like cookie dough. I have seen engines so caked up inside, you couldnt hardly refill them with oil. It just spewed back out the fill hole.
wow, really?... thanks for the feedback. So wait, having the water in there isn't bad??? I mean, water and an engine... hmmm.... also if you used synthetic would that make an difference?
In these engines, the water and oil isnt forced to mix by a pressurized geared oil pump. If they are forced to mix and make the oil look like chocalate milk, then there is a problem. Now if an abundance of water were to build up in the crank case, then that could cause problems, but this right here is no big deal. Once a gas engine gets hot, the water will steam off, but the engine doesnt get hot enough to do that when hho is used as the only fuel.
i wish we could go nuclear! I have plans on a compression system... wouldn't it be nice to have our own gas station in the garage! Yes i know the danger. I think it will work. once i get the money to make my design!! or i may blow myself up! lol One of my last akst as a republican!
Are ya plannin on seperating the H and O. That would be a lot safer. I seen a guy take an airconditioner and modify it to compress the hho. I dont think he has blown himself up yet.
no i have not yet figured out how to do that very efficiently. I am trying to design a system of tubes. all of which will have a safe pressure in it. but first i need to build my test chamber first. so that i can compress hho to combustion and see what the consistent pressure is. and what is safe.
hey I noticed the same smell! I checked the oil but have not ran it on gas yet. do you think i should skip running it on gas? or do i need to brake it in before i do my hho tests?
Well, you can do it either way. If you are itchin to see it run on hho, then go for it. Or you could run it gasoline for a couple of tanks, and drain all that oil out and start over with hho. I think if you start with gas, you will get a better feel for the difference between the fuels. It just whatever floats your boat.
I did not know any better so I ran my little cheap Chinese generator engine for about 6 hours on gasoline to let it break in before I started torturing it ... so far, this has worked out ok as the engine is now working its second season of experiments without any obvious ill effects ...
be ready for some flash backs use the proper saftey gear. i had an easier time because of ssc and d3's work with any luck the work pat and myself have done will make it even easier for you. thats how we will adance the technology
yes that is for sure! not sure what i can do to improve. but i will try... i have big plans for the future. i actually just made a new flash relief valve to start my tests! but that is the first test... I hope i did not over build it. Love your video's! keep them coming!
I think DP is one of them over unity dreamers who wont be happy unless you can run the engine on fuel that it produces in a closed loop ... which of course is a ridiculous expectation ... but I suspect that is his definition of "don't work" ... I run into a lot of that ... dont worry about it ... keep improving your technique ... you are showing some interesting things here ...
I do not promote oxyhydrogen as a form of free energy. However, I have published about 20 videos on YouTube that show simple methods of getting a small engine to run on HHO.
There is no magic. Its actually quite easy to do. The trick is to get an engine that was designed to run on gasoline, to run well on HHO. That is a little harder to do, but is possible and has been done by many. This experimenter is well on way and will show you how its done.
Greetings! For a internal combustion engine to run on oxyhydrogen the supply mist be compressed and deliver a flow rate of about 18 PSI: it requires a steel tank, regulator, injector, etc. Where is all that in your video?
actually, you are wrong ... I have been able to make a gasoline engine run on oxyhydrogen without making any modifications at all to the engine by simply sticking a tube up the throat of the carb ... however, to run reasonably well, some mods are required ... you are correct that pressurized gas delivery helps ... but it is NOT required ... ignition and valve timing are much more important ... oh, and 5 psi seems to be the sweet spot, not 18 psi ... much more work to do ...
I have not only showed my "hho in a small engine" videos to a physics professor, but to a chemistry professor. They both thought it was great to see science in action. You would think that anyone who actually watched the videos would think the same....
You are correct that the "magic bullet" that works first time, every time is elusive. What we are finding is that a technique that works with one car, dont work with the next. It is not simple plug and play as many would have you believe. There are good people working on it. We may still see validated positive results. Verdict is out on the car booster MPG issue. Some positive results already exist related to diesel emissions. Stay tuned.
there is adequate proof of concept in the videos ... but then, I suspect you have not even taken time to look at them ... your kind generally doesn't ... those who make themselves look big by trying to make others look small are a pretty sad lot ...
"For a internal combustion engine to run on oxyhydrogen the supply mist be compressed and deliver a flow rate of about 18 PSI"
18 psi is not a flow rate. Its pressure which is force per area. Are you saying 18psi at any flow rate, lpm, gph, etc?
"it requires a steel tank, regulator, injector, etc"
If the gases are produced on demand, there is no need for a pressurized reservoir. I use a mig tip to regulate or restrict flow. The gas is injected after the carb or through the throat.
sorry, but this is just plain inaccurate ... my "on-demand" oxyhydrogen device produces a maximum output of 20 lpm ... normally, I only run it hard enough to produce 10 lpm ... as little as 6 lpm is enough to have a rather dramatic effect on my experimental 90cc 4-stroke engine because it will run on that volume of gas with no other fuel present ... you are confusing this research with the quacks from water4gas or some such nonsense ... choose your targets more carefully ...
"...as little as 6 lpm is enough to have a rather dramatic effect on my experimental 90cc 4-stroke engine because it will run on that volume of gas with no other fuel present...."
You crack me up. Just where do you believe that energy is coming from? Pixie dust?
I am sure there is a point you wish to make somewhere in all this ... but frankly, I do not require your permission, do not seek your approval and really do not care about your opinon ... I am trying to be polite, but your school yard bully tactics bore me ...
some people need a good knock to the face! Nothing is free! and even the time i spend to reply to you costs energy and time! sit on your chair and comment. Coward. read a book? what ever. You have no real knowledge! just what is spoon fed to you! We are the ones doing it. And if you want to bully some one? come get me!!! I HAVE BLED AND FOUGHT IN THE RING AND CAGE. I love a good fight!!!! otherwise shut your mouth! let us do our thing. and some day your dumb ass will reap the benefit.
i see so much potential! maybe the cost is a wash. SO WHAT! why not have a few sources of fuel? you are just a puppet of the oil company! and a Perot of and old thought. let everyone tell you what to do and some day i will be telling you what to do!
"None of the "on-demand" oxyhydrogen devices can produce enough -H0+H to effect an internal combustion engine."
-HO? H+? Hydroxide occurs naturally in water because it is self ionizing. Monoatomic H and O are produced, but I believe that the majority forms into H2 and O2, but there is still monoatomic in the mix.
On this we agree ... as a matter of fact, there is a lot of work going on in this area now. Accurate fuel injection timing and volume are the next milestone we hope to achieve. At this point, most of us are just making the fuel available at the intake valve and praying that some gets into the combustion chamber. Much is wasted, maybe as much as 1/3. As these experiments progress, you can expect to see additional sophistication in method.
i generally try to stear clear of your all talk no action but when you start harrasing my friends that whaer i draw the line. your text book theory and no real experimentation to back up your statements . first its ssc and d3 faking it now its me and pat tomorrow it will be david 7900...... you are fighting a loosing battle more ppl doing this all the time. must be a big conspiracy.
any challenge this fellow might make will be a distraction ... plan your work, work your plan ... do not be distracted or allow others to set your course ... you know what your next goal is ... work toward it ...
take your challenge to the spam bots that promote water4gas ... those of us who are real people actually working on real projects don't have time or resources to devote to your nonsense ...
not sure i am big enough to get a mention with those names! but thanks! I am just a dumb fighter to injured to fight so this is what i do with my time now. Nice videos tho! keep it up!
thats wierd about your oil. is the color more or a frothy foam or is it just discolored. i had a little water scum in the crank case and in the valve cover other than tha the oil was black as it ran on gassoline for a few hours to break it in. what im excited about is to see what the oil looks like after running on hho and never seeing gassoline. roy mcallister says hes got vehicles with 100k miles of h2 driving and he has never changed it. be real interesting if we get the same results
I let this jar sit for over a week to let any moisture seperate out in case that was causing the discoloration. I'm thinking its from the break in lube. This motor has smelled funny ever since I got it out of the box and the odor is very strong from the old oil. We shall see what happens after a fresh oil change.
I dont know if I could force myself to drive a 100,000 miles without without changing oil. But with pure H2 it makes since that you wouldnt have to. Theres no carbon...
Spring must have been a long time coming for ole DP.. Hes bitchin about the guys selling 2 L/M units for use in automoblies on a U-tube video series running generators on HHO.. Me thinks desertphile has been " rocking da ganga" just a little too much ! lol
Davehho1 2 years ago
I don't plan on spliting the H from the O , I like just how it comes out of the bubbler just fine. I even like the humidity factor.
I know of people compressing HHO to higher then normal pressures already. I don't want to give anyone any ideas in that direction. The ones who are, know what they are doing. I just did a rebuild and went to 60 duro neopreme gaskets and am loving every minute of it ! Twin 32,8x8s Rocks !
Davehho1 2 years ago
Hey Pat, start with a dryer for the HHO going to the intake. See how well it reduces the H20 getting down to the crankcase.
Id show DP how to heat his shack for 500 watts, but I don't want to be accused of belonging to the water4fuel crowd. lol
Davehho1 2 years ago
Desertphile (43 minutes ago) "Pats running an ice on HHO"
and the oxyhydrogen is being produce how---- burning coal?
Well it sure as shitin aint running on imported oil , now is it ? The watts he's using can easly be produced with PV ! So whats your beef DP ?
Davehho1 2 years ago 2
damn... that looks pretty bad
YouMockMe 2 years ago
What? The oil? Its really not that bad. I have done oil changes where the oil drained like cookie dough. I have seen engines so caked up inside, you couldnt hardly refill them with oil. It just spewed back out the fill hole.
pat1huey 2 years ago
As a matter of fact, I'm just gonna dump the old oil in my riding mower. It likes to drink some oil with the fuel :)
pat1huey 2 years ago
wow, really?... thanks for the feedback. So wait, having the water in there isn't bad??? I mean, water and an engine... hmmm.... also if you used synthetic would that make an difference?
YouMockMe 2 years ago
In these engines, the water and oil isnt forced to mix by a pressurized geared oil pump. If they are forced to mix and make the oil look like chocalate milk, then there is a problem. Now if an abundance of water were to build up in the crank case, then that could cause problems, but this right here is no big deal. Once a gas engine gets hot, the water will steam off, but the engine doesnt get hot enough to do that when hho is used as the only fuel.
pat1huey 2 years ago
And I wouldnt bother with synthetic for this purpose. I think a striaght 30 or 40 weight non-detergent oil would be best.
pat1huey 2 years ago
thanks for the enlightenment
YouMockMe 2 years ago
Desertphile (2 hours ago)
Nobody dismisses the science: it's the false claim that these devices increase MPG that is the issue.
Hey DP ,
Pats running an ice on HHO, how much better MPG do you want before you open your mind and eyes ?
Way to go Pat, love the flash port !
Davehho1 2 years ago 2
"Pats running an ice on HHO"
and the oxyhydrogen is being produce how---- burning coal?
Desertphile 2 years ago
nuclear, coal, natural gas, solar, geothermal, whatever method might be used to generate electricity is agreeable ...
your point is ??? or your only purpose in this thread to be a negative influence and general annoyance ???
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
i wish we could go nuclear! I have plans on a compression system... wouldn't it be nice to have our own gas station in the garage! Yes i know the danger. I think it will work. once i get the money to make my design!! or i may blow myself up! lol One of my last akst as a republican!
David7900 2 years ago
Are ya plannin on seperating the H and O. That would be a lot safer. I seen a guy take an airconditioner and modify it to compress the hho. I dont think he has blown himself up yet.
pat1huey 2 years ago
no i have not yet figured out how to do that very efficiently. I am trying to design a system of tubes. all of which will have a safe pressure in it. but first i need to build my test chamber first. so that i can compress hho to combustion and see what the consistent pressure is. and what is safe.
David7900 2 years ago
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David7900 2 years ago
Great vids as always Pat.
Thank you.
CarbideTip 2 years ago
Thanks.
pat1huey 2 years ago
hey I noticed the same smell! I checked the oil but have not ran it on gas yet. do you think i should skip running it on gas? or do i need to brake it in before i do my hho tests?
David7900 2 years ago
Well, you can do it either way. If you are itchin to see it run on hho, then go for it. Or you could run it gasoline for a couple of tanks, and drain all that oil out and start over with hho. I think if you start with gas, you will get a better feel for the difference between the fuels. It just whatever floats your boat.
pat1huey 2 years ago
I did not know any better so I ran my little cheap Chinese generator engine for about 6 hours on gasoline to let it break in before I started torturing it ... so far, this has worked out ok as the engine is now working its second season of experiments without any obvious ill effects ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
yes i think i will brake mine in then. and record some difference in how the engine reacts to the hho, over gas.
David7900 2 years ago
tell us about your set up lmp and cc's.
be ready for some flash backs use the proper saftey gear. i had an easier time because of ssc and d3's work with any luck the work pat and myself have done will make it even easier for you. thats how we will adance the technology
BruteForcENGINEering 2 years ago
yes that is for sure! not sure what i can do to improve. but i will try... i have big plans for the future. i actually just made a new flash relief valve to start my tests! but that is the first test... I hope i did not over build it. Love your video's! keep them coming!
David7900 2 years ago
Cool! Damn shame these devices don't work.
Desertphile 2 years ago
"Damn shame these devices don't work"
The engine ran on hho. What device doesnt work in my video? Or did you even watch?
pat1huey 2 years ago
I think DP is one of them over unity dreamers who wont be happy unless you can run the engine on fuel that it produces in a closed loop ... which of course is a ridiculous expectation ... but I suspect that is his definition of "don't work" ... I run into a lot of that ... dont worry about it ... keep improving your technique ... you are showing some interesting things here ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
"I think DP is one of them over unity dreamers...."
No: I make videos debunking "free energy."
Desertphile 2 years ago
I do not promote oxyhydrogen as a form of free energy. However, I have published about 20 videos on YouTube that show simple methods of getting a small engine to run on HHO.
There is no magic. Its actually quite easy to do. The trick is to get an engine that was designed to run on gasoline, to run well on HHO. That is a little harder to do, but is possible and has been done by many. This experimenter is well on way and will show you how its done.
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
Then your previous comment has nothing to do with my video since there is no mention or insinuation of free energy in it.
pat1huey 2 years ago
Greetings! For a internal combustion engine to run on oxyhydrogen the supply mist be compressed and deliver a flow rate of about 18 PSI: it requires a steel tank, regulator, injector, etc. Where is all that in your video?
Desertphile 2 years ago
actually, you are wrong ... I have been able to make a gasoline engine run on oxyhydrogen without making any modifications at all to the engine by simply sticking a tube up the throat of the carb ... however, to run reasonably well, some mods are required ... you are correct that pressurized gas delivery helps ... but it is NOT required ... ignition and valve timing are much more important ... oh, and 5 psi seems to be the sweet spot, not 18 psi ... much more work to do ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
I have not only showed my "hho in a small engine" videos to a physics professor, but to a chemistry professor. They both thought it was great to see science in action. You would think that anyone who actually watched the videos would think the same....
pat1huey 2 years ago
"You would think that anyone who actually watched the videos would think the same...."
Nobody dismisses the science: it's the false claim that these devices increase MPG that is the issue.
Desertphile 2 years ago
"it's the false claim that these devices increase MPG that is the issue."
Then you should take up that issue with someone making false claims. I dont see how that relates to my video.
pat1huey 2 years ago
You are correct that the "magic bullet" that works first time, every time is elusive. What we are finding is that a technique that works with one car, dont work with the next. It is not simple plug and play as many would have you believe. There are good people working on it. We may still see validated positive results. Verdict is out on the car booster MPG issue. Some positive results already exist related to diesel emissions. Stay tuned.
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago 2
"What we are finding is that a technique that works with one car, dont work with the next."
And you know it "works" how, exactly?
Desertphile 2 years ago
the minute that i start boostein automobiles you will be the first to know right now im having to much fun running my little engine on water
have a nice day
BruteForcENGINEering 2 years ago
"running my little engine on water"
That's *GREAT* news! Step forward and prove it. What the bloody hell are you waiting for?!
Desertphile 2 years ago
check my youtubr page
BruteForcENGINEering 2 years ago
there is adequate proof of concept in the videos ... but then, I suspect you have not even taken time to look at them ... your kind generally doesn't ... those who make themselves look big by trying to make others look small are a pretty sad lot ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
"For a internal combustion engine to run on oxyhydrogen the supply mist be compressed and deliver a flow rate of about 18 PSI"
18 psi is not a flow rate. Its pressure which is force per area. Are you saying 18psi at any flow rate, lpm, gph, etc?
"it requires a steel tank, regulator, injector, etc"
If the gases are produced on demand, there is no need for a pressurized reservoir. I use a mig tip to regulate or restrict flow. The gas is injected after the carb or through the throat.
pat1huey 2 years ago
The injectors regulate the flow.
None of the "on-demand" oxyhydrogen devices can produce enough -H0+H to effect an internal combustion engine.
Desertphile 2 years ago
sorry, but this is just plain inaccurate ... my "on-demand" oxyhydrogen device produces a maximum output of 20 lpm ... normally, I only run it hard enough to produce 10 lpm ... as little as 6 lpm is enough to have a rather dramatic effect on my experimental 90cc 4-stroke engine because it will run on that volume of gas with no other fuel present ... you are confusing this research with the quacks from water4gas or some such nonsense ... choose your targets more carefully ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
"...as little as 6 lpm is enough to have a rather dramatic effect on my experimental 90cc 4-stroke engine because it will run on that volume of gas with no other fuel present...."
You crack me up. Just where do you believe that energy is coming from? Pixie dust?
Desertphile 2 years ago
I am sure there is a point you wish to make somewhere in all this ... but frankly, I do not require your permission, do not seek your approval and really do not care about your opinon ... I am trying to be polite, but your school yard bully tactics bore me ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
some people need a good knock to the face! Nothing is free! and even the time i spend to reply to you costs energy and time! sit on your chair and comment. Coward. read a book? what ever. You have no real knowledge! just what is spoon fed to you! We are the ones doing it. And if you want to bully some one? come get me!!! I HAVE BLED AND FOUGHT IN THE RING AND CAGE. I love a good fight!!!! otherwise shut your mouth! let us do our thing. and some day your dumb ass will reap the benefit.
David7900 2 years ago
i see so much potential! maybe the cost is a wash. SO WHAT! why not have a few sources of fuel? you are just a puppet of the oil company! and a Perot of and old thought. let everyone tell you what to do and some day i will be telling you what to do!
David7900 2 years ago
"The injectors regulate the flow."
Not on the engine in my video.
"None of the "on-demand" oxyhydrogen devices can produce enough -H0+H to effect an internal combustion engine."
-HO? H+? Hydroxide occurs naturally in water because it is self ionizing. Monoatomic H and O are produced, but I believe that the majority forms into H2 and O2, but there is still monoatomic in the mix.
pat1huey 2 years ago
I guess the only "Brown's Gas" DP is familiar with is just his bodily reaction to all those green chile cheese enchiladas he has been eating.
pat1huey 2 years ago
On this we agree ... as a matter of fact, there is a lot of work going on in this area now. Accurate fuel injection timing and volume are the next milestone we hope to achieve. At this point, most of us are just making the fuel available at the intake valve and praying that some gets into the combustion chamber. Much is wasted, maybe as much as 1/3. As these experiments progress, you can expect to see additional sophistication in method.
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
i generally try to stear clear of your all talk no action but when you start harrasing my friends that whaer i draw the line. your text book theory and no real experimentation to back up your statements . first its ssc and d3 faking it now its me and pat tomorrow it will be david 7900...... you are fighting a loosing battle more ppl doing this all the time. must be a big conspiracy.
have a nice day
BruteForcENGINEering 2 years ago 2
"i generally try to stear clear of your all talk no ac...."
That's *GREAT* news! Step forward and produce evidence these devices increase MPG and shut me up forever. What the bloody hell are you waiting for?
Desertphile 2 years ago 2
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Please clarify your "challenge". Your webpage didnt mention what tests you will be conducted. Will emissions be tested as well?
pat1huey 2 years ago
any challenge this fellow might make will be a distraction ... plan your work, work your plan ... do not be distracted or allow others to set your course ... you know what your next goal is ... work toward it ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
Dont worry, finals are over....time to gett some work done.
pat1huey 2 years ago
take your challenge to the spam bots that promote water4gas ... those of us who are real people actually working on real projects don't have time or resources to devote to your nonsense ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
not sure i am big enough to get a mention with those names! but thanks! I am just a dumb fighter to injured to fight so this is what i do with my time now. Nice videos tho! keep it up!
David7900 2 years ago
thats wierd about your oil. is the color more or a frothy foam or is it just discolored. i had a little water scum in the crank case and in the valve cover other than tha the oil was black as it ran on gassoline for a few hours to break it in. what im excited about is to see what the oil looks like after running on hho and never seeing gassoline. roy mcallister says hes got vehicles with 100k miles of h2 driving and he has never changed it. be real interesting if we get the same results
BruteForcENGINEering 2 years ago
I let this jar sit for over a week to let any moisture seperate out in case that was causing the discoloration. I'm thinking its from the break in lube. This motor has smelled funny ever since I got it out of the box and the odor is very strong from the old oil. We shall see what happens after a fresh oil change.
I dont know if I could force myself to drive a 100,000 miles without without changing oil. But with pure H2 it makes since that you wouldnt have to. Theres no carbon...
pat1huey 2 years ago
Hi. Thank you, very interesting.
cheers
ZEROPOINT132 2 years ago