i might add to gilroys points by saying muslims need to start a revision of their history and teach their children about their involvement in slavery and slave trades
The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!
Those videos feature a woman who is a follower of Jesse Jackson answering all the questions.
She said so herself in the first video.
She also spent most of the videos talking about the past. Just like ol' Jesse.
She also kept comparing which drugs are worse than others, and that some should have lenience attached even though all of them drugs are still illegal anyway.
Very objective videos you've provided though, well done.
Deal with the FACTS and STATISTICS and stop wasting other peoples' time with discussions about personalities and motives. (She dis and she dat...) And you can't ignore the past, since the conditions of incarceration are not much different from the forced servitude plantation system.
The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, ,...and MUST END!!
Go get an education, sonny; you're making no sense.
The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!
"You' obviously lack the mental capacity to see the distinction between slavery and the "slave trade",, or to decipher a simple url"
And you're no genius either, hence the reason why you put an apostrophe at the end of "you" and put in two commas after "slave trade".
"The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!"
"The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!"
Go get an education, sonny, and find another sandlot to play in.
"The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!"
Go get an education, sonny, and find another sandlot to play in.
3.03 'those of us who were property' - er, PAUL, YOU were no-ones property, you're a middle-class socialist Brit with no more claim to being a slave than Queen Elizabeth II has. Claiming that YOU were 'property' is both delusional and racist, as you are implying than only 'black' people have ever been enslaved. Every ethnic group has been slaves at some point, with the exception of the japanese perhaps. The point is, Paul, you ain't no slave. You have no more right to claim it than anyone else.
Slavery in America has not ended. The incarceration and forced labor of hundreds of thousands of "black" inmates of your penitentiaries who are there because of irrational drug laws, profiling, disproportionate arrests, inadequate legal representation, and disproportionate sentencing are tantamount to slavery, in my mind. And the chain gangs still exist!
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, EXCEPTt as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction".
Remember also that it was a "crime" for slaves to run away, and for people (including GOOD WHITE PEOPLE) to harbor them.
Before you reply look up the US (DOJ) incarceration statistics re marijuana
"crime n. a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public and a term in jail or prison, and/or a fine as possible penalties. There is some sentiment for excluding from the "crime" category crimes without victims, such as consensual acts, or violations in which only the perpetrator is hurt or involved such as personal use of illegal drugs."
Regardless if it is victimless or not, breaking the law is technically a crime. It only says in the definition that there is sentiment for excluding things like drug use from being considered a "crime", it is still illegal and a crime no matter what way you look at it so looking at the marijuana stats won't prove anything.
Making something illegal does not make it a crime.
Defining a person as an "illegal " "alien" does not make that person a criminal.
For an act to be a crime, both the act and the intent must occur at the same time.
The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!
"Making something illegal does not make it a crime."
I never said it was, I said that breaking the law is a crime and there are laws against using, selling and buying drugs like marijuana except for in countries like the Netherlands.
"Defining a person as an "illegal " "alien" does not make that person a criminal"
It doesn't make them little green men from Mars either.
It's merely a statement which I find inaccurate and never use anyway, so your statement is irrelevant.
I agree with some of the things Mr.Gilroy say but I believe that what people are ignorant about today is that humanity was enslaving it self. There is no such thing as "race" the word was invented to divide us and built hate against our selfs. People havent over come this ignorance and the more we see our selfs as a "race" the more devided we will become.
slavery was halted in america when the US government banned it (it was originally to be banned in 1776, but southern derision threatened the origination of the US).
Thants false. Even after the US and even European countries passed legislations to abolish slavery, slavery was still being practiced. What really ended slavery is when the slaves throughout the Caribbean and the rest of the Americas decide to fight them. With nothing but the open grave ahead, the only thing for them to do was fight, for if they must die, they were sure not die a noble death and not like hogs, to use our great Cluade McKay's quote!
Sorry it is true that the people did rise up but they did get smashed for that. the fact that sugar was produced cheaper in other non slave economies was the reason was that it was ended in the West Indies. The Brits 'compensated' the planters to the tune of 20 million pounds and then the slaves paid that back themselves. Check out the loan statutes that the Brit Parliaments passed. The abolition is almost more sickening than the practice - it WAS all about property in people.
What are you disputing? Slavery ended as the slaves did revolted as said. Yes they were challenged, but in the end, in Latin America & Caribbean they did not get smashed as we drove the slave masters out by force.
The abolition Act and compensation to the slave masters we can all agree was sick! They get compensated for the evils they done to us & lost of labour/property but we never got compensated. Thats why reparation still needed as the money filtered through large corperations
Who told you that slaves repaid anything to Britain? Never heard of such nonsense in my life! What did we have to repay Britain and what did we have for them? Slavery was by Royal consent and the crown/government got their money. It was not merely slave-masters, it was also governments, churches & synagogues. Further, slavery was not abolished because sugar was cheaper to harvest elsewhere, its because of the slave unrest and campaigners! Good luck with ur resarch, clear ur a student
i think its so crazy how the majority of whites jus dont know what they are talking about..and its not all their fault its what has been taught to them for many generations, they never question the source of the information they just go with it and take it as truth for the most part.
Actually slavery never ended, it's still going on in parts of Africa Sudan,Congo,Nigeria,ETC. The muslim arabs still enslave christian blacks everyday. I figured you would know a little something about your own history and people?
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The British abolished slavery in the mid 1700's and refused to buy them from African slave traders, many that were already in England had regular work and were free as any other man, some were actually better off than the lower class in England even though they had low grade jobs. Many today play on the slavery case to further social gain- time to stop that and unite as one to fight the true evil of our times.
During 19th century most of the world abolished slavery. Technology and science wasn't so much powerful as it is today. Slavery it's just making peoples work on hard and unpleasant work. Once the machines started to gradually replace humans (more efficient and doesn't need food) then maintaining slaves started to cost more. You may say that man become more humanitarian but I'm pretty sure that if you remove from the world the technology and machines the world will go back to war and slaves again
not really, coolies coming out from China and India were the so called contract labor. the treatments of these laborers were not identical with wage labor you would find in England. I don't know what you mean hard and unpleasant work. you may want to be more specific. Coffee plantations grew at the same time with railroad, so did U.S. cottons (i.e. Cotton Belt and the extensive railroad built by Chinese bonded laborers).
You need to define what you mean by slavery. If you define it as non-wage labor. Then the slaves were not workers but commodities with a value. His or her labor did not have value, because they belonged to the master. So, if you are operating under that definition, I am not sure if your argument stands in today's U.S. labor market (i.e. undocumented Mexicans and Chinese)
you assume time goes with a linear progression, from non-technological society to more-technological society, from slavery to non-slavery. This argument is similar to a racist developmental movement, from non-rational savages to rational human beings as society develops. this justifies infantalization, and racialized/sexualized an enture population by saying that they are not yet develop or did not have the technology
the problem is that the white race don't want to admit what they did to blacks was wrong, immoral, and wicked. the minstrel, the racism, and the kkk, is just wrong, and if they didn't or don't change that they will go to hell...simple as that. -bubba joe II
bdrick are you serious? Almost all white people will say slavery is wrong and immorral AND that racism is wrong (but is practiced by small portions of people of all colors and creeds including blacks) and that the KKK is a terrorist group but so are the Black Panthers and African American gangs
If you want proof the the Anglo British empire still practices oppression and justifies it, just look this up.. Diego Garcia.. watch the whole series and you wil see they still play the same game. You will also find plenty of racists whites around. We hope the majority of humans will recognize that its wrong, but we have no proof of how most ppl feel. most would not openly say so if they felt nothing was wrong with it anyway would they?
The Black Panthers were not a Terrorist group. The FBI & CIA told you that they were because they actually had the balls to stand up to them & fight for the equality & rights & dignity of black people. Terrorist groups don't orchestrate breakfast programs so that children don't go to school hungry. Who were they terrorizing? The cops? The Black community was never terrorized by the BPs, they were HEROES INDEED.
@WONDAWOMAN some black panthers and the nation of islam collaborated with the kkk to segregate blacks mor ebecause they were more about black nationalism and segregation instead of martin luther kings version of equality and intergration. im actually writing a paper on it
I could ask you questions face to face that would prove to YOU that you are just as racist as the kkk through your perceptions. And when you think about your own perceptions (which is really difficult for whites to do) you can understand how difficult it is for blacks to be seen as equal.
True fact and honesty will say that AfroAmerican gangsterism exists bcos of the white mans injection of the fundamentals which cause degradation of the black man into black communities.
He made a mistake regarding the Danes and 1792! Abolition of the trade came about in 1803 or 4! And they were looking very close to what was going on in England! Get it right brother.
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400 years of SLAVERY (THE MYTH) 1607 1st state VIRGINIA + 400=2007? 1617 slavery starts + 400= 2017? 1776 Americas Independence + 400=2117? 1865 slavery is Abolished + 400=2265? hmmm how about.. 1865 - 400=1465? Columbus is only 14yrs old? 1776 - 400=1376? Columbus isnt even born 1617 - 400=1217? The Crusades?? 1607 - 400=1207? Ummmm "Medieval Times"??? DID I MENTION in 1808 England and America OUTLAWED SLAVE SHIPS..3 years later FRANCE..and by 1817 SPAIN TOO.
The enslavement of africans by Europeans began in the mid 1400's and continued until around 1860's - thats about 400 years. You are a racist, and a revisionist. You're blocked. Now fuck of back to your Klan meetings.
@adycousins Not true. The slave trade was financed and supported by jewish merchants and muslim slave traders. Europeans abolished slavery. Then the jews started the Civil War because they were enraged.
Another thing. Slavery was a universal practice. White slavery, Irish slavery, Chinese slavery... etc. Africans don't "own" the history of slavery. There were numerous black slave owners and merchants.
@adycousins Actually the enslavement of people - Europeans, Africans, and Asians - was going on in the Muslim world long before the Europeans started trafficking in African slaves. Likewise, there were plenty of White European serfs in Europe when these Europeans bought into the Muslim slave system (which, incidentally, still exists).
To answer the question, it was industrialism made possible by capitalism that ended slavery. It is Marxism, especially in the PRC, that is bringing it back.
slavery DID NOT END in the civil war. refer to SLAVERY BY ANOTHER NAME: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II. the last case of a lawsuit civil rights violations of the 13th amendment was i think in 1952! furthermore, there was a movement to REOPEN THE SLAVE TRADE IN THE 1850's.
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My friend, I understand how you feel. Your father was a coward who was enslaved by almost everybody. Not only that but your father enslaved his brothers. Your father was a naked primitive savage.
My father was great, merciful, an inventor, bringer of justice, an empire builder, explorer. My father improved the living standard of the world. Without my father there would have been no democracy, no life saving medicine, no space travel and no computers. I am his proud son.
then your father MUST have been a black man..cool mine too, democracy? do you even know what that is? or where it is practiced because America is a REPUBLIC not a democracy..in fact those so called forefathers were against democracy 100%..i think you should look up the difference..it says, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, it does not say "and to the democracy for which it stands"
Europeans colonised Africa to stop slavery and other barbaric practices and to civilise a savage race. Even if Europeans had not colonised Africa, Africa would have eventually come under the rule of Arabs. I mean, there was hardly any resistance to the Islamic hordes. My brave ancestors regularly defeated Islamic invaders. Islam diverted it's whole energy against Europe but still failed in the long run. It hardly diverted any energy against Africans but got no resistance.
My forefathers were the brave explorers and conquerers who started the industrial revolution. It is due to the industrial revolution that Europe became richer. Anyways Europeans on average might have been slightly poorer than some Asian peoples or even some native Americans like the Aztecs but were sure as hell much more advanced and richer than primitive africans. Even an English villager lived in a better house than the best African chiefs, Ethiopia being as exception.
"It is due to the industrial revolution that Europe became richer." - No! without slavery, you have no industrial revolution. English, Irish, and other core European industrial workers consumed goods produced from the so called global south. White workers' wages were going down, and their means of subsistence would only be maintained by lowering the prices of the most basic goods.
Africans have been enslaving other africans for ages. Europeans too were enslaved by Arabs. The same Arabs enslaved Africans too. Indeed Europe colonised Africa to stamp out slavery. No other civilisation ever freed slaves in such a way. White Yankees and Southerner brothers butchered each other for the freedom of blacks. 8000 died in Gettysburg alone. White Englishmen fought the White Spaniards to free slaves. And this is what we get.
whites did no such thing they were fighting for property and those black slaves were their property its as simple as that, they were NOT fighting for the freedom of blacks..that is just the lie that hasbeen told.
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Slavery was stopped by Europeans because they were powerful and merciful. Black Africans should forever sing songs of praise of the Europeans who stopped their slavery.
in Muslim countries, western christian powers abolished slavery in their colonies. islma began slavery before western powers and ended it forced by these western powers
It does look (try comparing dates) as if slavery was stopped by the industrial revolution. It's possible in fact that manufacturers of machines regarded slaves as competition. There are exceptions which maybe prove the rule -- nobody could design machines to pick cotton, for example, so slavery persisted in southern USA. NB there's also the problem of what exactly a 'slave' is; were millions of serfs in Russia 'slaves'?
I also think what took a place in ending slavery was the white man was scared.They started to see what was happening in the carribean in Jamaica,Haiti etc.. they had brung too many slaves to the countries therefore making the population moslty black.They were scared of an uprising and a takover how they did in these caribbean countries.
Industrial revolution turned the labor of 100 men into the labor of 10, so basically Abe and Congress did nothing short of move to the next step of capitalistic production.
Thank God there are still good people around to tell us about what slavery was really all about. I have always liked Paul Gilroy. Thank you for this, Adycousins.
i might add to gilroys points by saying muslims need to start a revision of their history and teach their children about their involvement in slavery and slave trades
timetochilli 9 months ago
The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!
hrw-dot-org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508webwcover-dot-pdf
socamaestro 9 months ago
@socamaestro Don't bother anymore. All your comment are being flagged as spam.
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
@mrhenryleopard
Nice Try...
But the truth will prevail.
NOW GO AWAY AND LEAVE US ALONE!!
socamaestro 9 months ago
@socamaestro Not if the "truth" keeps being flagged as spam.
(P.S. It's not a conspiracy from "the white man" either. It's just that your comments all seem to feature broken links and irrelevant videos.)
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
@mrhenryleopard
I may be wasting time trying to educate someone who is not bright enough to decipher a simple URL, but here goes:
/watch?v=5BdnCJdgtmg&feature=related Part 1
/watch?v=oggrCXgjkWI&feature=related Part 2
/watch?v=0xnQzeXx5Cg&NR=1 Part 3
/watch?v=q242WT2GED0&feature=related Part 4
hrw-dot-org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508webwcover-dot-pdf
HINT: (for "-dot- " , substitute ".")
If you still can't figure it out ...ask your Mommy.
socamaestro 9 months ago
@socamaestro
Those videos feature a woman who is a follower of Jesse Jackson answering all the questions.
She said so herself in the first video.
She also spent most of the videos talking about the past. Just like ol' Jesse.
She also kept comparing which drugs are worse than others, and that some should have lenience attached even though all of them drugs are still illegal anyway.
Very objective videos you've provided though, well done.
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
@mrhenryleopard
Deal with the FACTS and STATISTICS and stop wasting other peoples' time with discussions about personalities and motives. (She dis and she dat...) And you can't ignore the past, since the conditions of incarceration are not much different from the forced servitude plantation system.
The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, ,...and MUST END!!
hrw-dot-org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508webwcover-dot-pdf
socamaestro 9 months ago
@socamaestro
"Deal with the FACTS and STATISTICS and stop wasting other peoples' time with discussions about personalities and motives"
The motives of a Jesse Jackson follower are considerably biased. They'll twist facts and "statistics" in order to gain support.
I.E. The woman in the video who offered very little evidence of anything other than the past.
"And you can't ignore the past"
And you can't live in it either. Slave trade ended centuries ago. Just so you know...
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
@mrhenryleopard
You' obviously lack the mental capacity to see the distinction between slavery and the "slave trade",, or to decipher a simple url:
hrw-dot-org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508webwcover-dot-pdf
Go get an education, sonny; you're making no sense.
The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!
hrw-dot-org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508webwcover-dot-pdf
socamaestro 9 months ago
@socamaestro
"You' obviously lack the mental capacity to see the distinction between slavery and the "slave trade",, or to decipher a simple url"
And you're no genius either, hence the reason why you put an apostrophe at the end of "you" and put in two commas after "slave trade".
"The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!"
Here we go again...
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
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@mrhenryleopard
You cant hide from the truth:
hrw-dot-org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508webwcover-dot-pdf
"The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!"
Go get an education, sonny, and find another sandlot to play in.
socamaestro 9 months ago
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@mrhenryleopard
You cant hide from the truth:
hrw-dot-org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508webwcover-dot-pdf
"The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!"
Go get an education, sonny, and find another sandlot to play in.
GOODBYE
socamaestro 9 months ago
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@socamaestro "The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, ,...and MUST END!!"
Why are you doing this line at the end of every comment? You've done it enough, don't you think?
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
@jason3074
And who's the white man that you intend to punish then, internet tough guy?
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
3.03 'those of us who were property' - er, PAUL, YOU were no-ones property, you're a middle-class socialist Brit with no more claim to being a slave than Queen Elizabeth II has. Claiming that YOU were 'property' is both delusional and racist, as you are implying than only 'black' people have ever been enslaved. Every ethnic group has been slaves at some point, with the exception of the japanese perhaps. The point is, Paul, you ain't no slave. You have no more right to claim it than anyone else.
maureenOWW 1 year ago
Slavery in America has not ended. The incarceration and forced labor of hundreds of thousands of "black" inmates of your penitentiaries who are there because of irrational drug laws, profiling, disproportionate arrests, inadequate legal representation, and disproportionate sentencing are tantamount to slavery, in my mind. And the chain gangs still exist!
socamaestro 1 year ago
@socamaestro not to mention private corporations .. such as cotton grower firms own most of the prisons ..
yes .. slaves are still picking cotton .. and bottling coca cola bottles .. for example
kave786 1 year ago
@socamaestro How is being locked up for crimes considered slavery.
If they don't want to go to jail, don't commit crimes.
mrhenryleopard 10 months ago
@mrhenryleopard
Define "Crimes"
Also Read The Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, EXCEPTt as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction".
Remember also that it was a "crime" for slaves to run away, and for people (including GOOD WHITE PEOPLE) to harbor them.
Before you reply look up the US (DOJ) incarceration statistics re marijuana
socamaestro 9 months ago
@socamaestro
The "slavery/ involuntary servitude" you mentioned can be defined as community service or hard labor.
This is not related to the slave trade in any way as it is a legal punishment for criminals (and not just black ones).
"It was a crime for slaves to run away."
Yes it was... Over 100 years ago.
Since then slavery has been... you know... made illegal.
So your statement is pointless isn't it?
By the way what's the point in the marijuana stats? It's illegal in America anyway.
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
@mrhenryleopard
Can't you follow some simple instructions?
I asked you to define "crimes" And I asked you to look up the incarceration stastics.
Also what do you mean by "it can be defined as"? Are you trying to redefine the word "slavery"?
Do you know what "EXCEPT" means?
And how does marijuana use qualify as a "crime". LOOK UP THE LEGAL DEFINITION of a "CRIME" !!
And why are 500,000+ persons of African descent incarcerated for marijuana use, if it does not fit this LEGAL DEFINITION???
socamaestro 9 months ago
@socamaestro
I am not trying to redefine anything, I am merely stating that involuntary servitude nowadays is a million miles away from the slave trade.
"And how does marijuana use qualify as a "crime"."
Simple, is it legal in the USA?
Or is it a crime to buy, sell or use it?
If you don't like it being illegal, move to the Netherlands.
500,000 persons of African descent should move there also if they want to avoid jail time.
They can only blame themselves otherwise.
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
@mrhenryleopard
AGAIN, Can't you follow some SIMPLE instructions?
I asked you to define "crimes" And I asked you to look up the incarceration stastics.
Are you afraid to face the truth???
Again, sonny, BEFORE YOU RESPOND, look up the LEGAL definition of a "CRIME"!!!!!!
socamaestro 9 months ago
@socamaestro
"crime n. a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public and a term in jail or prison, and/or a fine as possible penalties. There is some sentiment for excluding from the "crime" category crimes without victims, such as consensual acts, or violations in which only the perpetrator is hurt or involved such as personal use of illegal drugs."
Source: egal-dictionary. thefreedictionary. com/ crime
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
@socamaestro
So I looked it up. Happy now?
Regardless if it is victimless or not, breaking the law is technically a crime. It only says in the definition that there is sentiment for excluding things like drug use from being considered a "crime", it is still illegal and a crime no matter what way you look at it so looking at the marijuana stats won't prove anything.
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
@mrhenryleopard
Making something illegal does not make it a crime.
Defining a person as an "illegal " "alien" does not make that person a criminal.
For an act to be a crime, both the act and the intent must occur at the same time.
The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery, and itself a form of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,...and MUST END!!
hrw-dot-org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508webwcover-dot-pdf
socamaestro 9 months ago
@socamaestro
"Making something illegal does not make it a crime."
I never said it was, I said that breaking the law is a crime and there are laws against using, selling and buying drugs like marijuana except for in countries like the Netherlands.
"Defining a person as an "illegal " "alien" does not make that person a criminal"
It doesn't make them little green men from Mars either.
It's merely a statement which I find inaccurate and never use anyway, so your statement is irrelevant.
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
@socamaestro
"For an act to be a crime, both the act and the intent must occur at the same time."
So you if buy or sell marijuana unintentionally then that's not considered a crime and makes it legal to do so?
Really? Then I should "unintentionally" rob a bank and become a millionaire then, YAYZ!!!
"The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery."
Prove to me that they were unreasonably targeted then.
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
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@mrhenryleopard
The racist targeting of people of African descent for incarceration is a perpetuation of slavery ,...and MUST END!!
hrw-dot-org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508webwcover-dot-pdf
(Bogus War On Drugs - Black People are the main targets)
/watch?v=z2Bd6lmpIFI&feature=fvw
/watch?v=TW-IAUVo4r4&feature=related
/watch?v=w2GG7KD9Zgo&feature=related
Here are some statistics for you:
box-dot-net/shared/7iq03427e9
box-dot-net/shared/b935uoo43v
socamaestro 9 months ago
@socamaestro
"hrw-dot-org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508webwcover-dot-pdf"= Could not find.
"/watch?v=TW-IAUVo4r4&feature=related"= Conspiracy theory vid.
"/watch?v=TW-IAUVo4r4&feature=related"= US gov't is corrupt, wow Sherlock, good one.
"/watch?v=w2GG7KD9Zgo&feature=related" Another conspiracy vid.
None of these can prove any proof of perpetuating slavery to black people.
box-dot-net/shared/7iq03427e9 &
box-dot-net/shared/b935uoo43v = Could not find either.
mrhenryleopard 9 months ago
however, you're articulate and well versed. Listening to you is easy.
diddymuck 1 year ago
i meant slavery in the US...which is 95 percent of the time the target of socialist negativism.
diddymuck 1 year ago
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I agree with some of the things Mr.Gilroy say but I believe that what people are ignorant about today is that humanity was enslaving it self. There is no such thing as "race" the word was invented to divide us and built hate against our selfs. People havent over come this ignorance and the more we see our selfs as a "race" the more devided we will become.
abramhb 1 year ago
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abramhb 1 year ago
slavery doesn't exist in civilized countries. It should not be used as a raison d'etre for the push of communism.
diddymuck 2 years ago
slavery was halted in america when the US government banned it (it was originally to be banned in 1776, but southern derision threatened the origination of the US).
diddymuck 2 years ago
@diddymuck
Thants false. Even after the US and even European countries passed legislations to abolish slavery, slavery was still being practiced. What really ended slavery is when the slaves throughout the Caribbean and the rest of the Americas decide to fight them. With nothing but the open grave ahead, the only thing for them to do was fight, for if they must die, they were sure not die a noble death and not like hogs, to use our great Cluade McKay's quote!
caribbeandiaspora 1 year ago
Sorry it is true that the people did rise up but they did get smashed for that. the fact that sugar was produced cheaper in other non slave economies was the reason was that it was ended in the West Indies. The Brits 'compensated' the planters to the tune of 20 million pounds and then the slaves paid that back themselves. Check out the loan statutes that the Brit Parliaments passed. The abolition is almost more sickening than the practice - it WAS all about property in people.
Msoolala 1 year ago
@Msoolala
What are you disputing? Slavery ended as the slaves did revolted as said. Yes they were challenged, but in the end, in Latin America & Caribbean they did not get smashed as we drove the slave masters out by force.
The abolition Act and compensation to the slave masters we can all agree was sick! They get compensated for the evils they done to us & lost of labour/property but we never got compensated. Thats why reparation still needed as the money filtered through large corperations
caribbeandiaspora 1 year ago
@Msoolala
Who told you that slaves repaid anything to Britain? Never heard of such nonsense in my life! What did we have to repay Britain and what did we have for them? Slavery was by Royal consent and the crown/government got their money. It was not merely slave-masters, it was also governments, churches & synagogues. Further, slavery was not abolished because sugar was cheaper to harvest elsewhere, its because of the slave unrest and campaigners! Good luck with ur resarch, clear ur a student
caribbeandiaspora 1 year ago
Remember when Britain called to stop slavery in some arab countries
GuysSeriously 2 years ago
i think its so crazy how the majority of whites jus dont know what they are talking about..and its not all their fault its what has been taught to them for many generations, they never question the source of the information they just go with it and take it as truth for the most part.
qwezzie 2 years ago
Actually slavery never ended, it's still going on in parts of Africa Sudan,Congo,Nigeria,ETC. The muslim arabs still enslave christian blacks everyday. I figured you would know a little something about your own history and people?
washappnin 2 years ago 2
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The British abolished slavery in the mid 1700's and refused to buy them from African slave traders, many that were already in England had regular work and were free as any other man, some were actually better off than the lower class in England even though they had low grade jobs. Many today play on the slavery case to further social gain- time to stop that and unite as one to fight the true evil of our times.
Apostle1971 2 years ago
Uh sure. Slaverly was 'ablolished'...
Tell that to the Chinese and Indian slaves that quickly replaced the African slaves as indentured workers...
7hereshegoes 2 years ago 6
The only thing that ended slavery was technology. It replaced human slaves with machine slaves.
oEDLIo 2 years ago
bullshit, there were machines during 19th century already. how can you explain that
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
During 19th century most of the world abolished slavery. Technology and science wasn't so much powerful as it is today. Slavery it's just making peoples work on hard and unpleasant work. Once the machines started to gradually replace humans (more efficient and doesn't need food) then maintaining slaves started to cost more. You may say that man become more humanitarian but I'm pretty sure that if you remove from the world the technology and machines the world will go back to war and slaves again
oEDLIo 2 years ago
not really, coolies coming out from China and India were the so called contract labor. the treatments of these laborers were not identical with wage labor you would find in England. I don't know what you mean hard and unpleasant work. you may want to be more specific. Coffee plantations grew at the same time with railroad, so did U.S. cottons (i.e. Cotton Belt and the extensive railroad built by Chinese bonded laborers).
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
You need to define what you mean by slavery. If you define it as non-wage labor. Then the slaves were not workers but commodities with a value. His or her labor did not have value, because they belonged to the master. So, if you are operating under that definition, I am not sure if your argument stands in today's U.S. labor market (i.e. undocumented Mexicans and Chinese)
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
you assume time goes with a linear progression, from non-technological society to more-technological society, from slavery to non-slavery. This argument is similar to a racist developmental movement, from non-rational savages to rational human beings as society develops. this justifies infantalization, and racialized/sexualized an enture population by saying that they are not yet develop or did not have the technology
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
the problem is that the white race don't want to admit what they did to blacks was wrong, immoral, and wicked. the minstrel, the racism, and the kkk, is just wrong, and if they didn't or don't change that they will go to hell...simple as that. -bubba joe II
bdrick2006 3 years ago 4
bdrick are you serious? Almost all white people will say slavery is wrong and immorral AND that racism is wrong (but is practiced by small portions of people of all colors and creeds including blacks) and that the KKK is a terrorist group but so are the Black Panthers and African American gangs
calvintorres45 3 years ago
If you want proof the the Anglo British empire still practices oppression and justifies it, just look this up.. Diego Garcia.. watch the whole series and you wil see they still play the same game. You will also find plenty of racists whites around. We hope the majority of humans will recognize that its wrong, but we have no proof of how most ppl feel. most would not openly say so if they felt nothing was wrong with it anyway would they?
WONDAWOMAN 2 years ago 2
The Black Panthers were not a Terrorist group. The FBI & CIA told you that they were because they actually had the balls to stand up to them & fight for the equality & rights & dignity of black people. Terrorist groups don't orchestrate breakfast programs so that children don't go to school hungry. Who were they terrorizing? The cops? The Black community was never terrorized by the BPs, they were HEROES INDEED.
WONDAWOMAN 2 years ago 20
@WONDAWOMAN
"Terrorist groups don't orchestrate breakfast programs so that children don't go to school hungry"
My son has his dinner money paid for all the time.
Thank you so much Osama.
mrhenryleopard 10 months ago
@WONDAWOMAN some black panthers and the nation of islam collaborated with the kkk to segregate blacks mor ebecause they were more about black nationalism and segregation instead of martin luther kings version of equality and intergration. im actually writing a paper on it
timetochilli 9 months ago
I could ask you questions face to face that would prove to YOU that you are just as racist as the kkk through your perceptions. And when you think about your own perceptions (which is really difficult for whites to do) you can understand how difficult it is for blacks to be seen as equal.
True fact and honesty will say that AfroAmerican gangsterism exists bcos of the white mans injection of the fundamentals which cause degradation of the black man into black communities.
You're just the same
mykinfok 2 years ago
the black panthers are nothing like the klan nor are black street gangs that is ludicrous
richbullva 2 years ago
not really, some shared similar structures
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
"The minstrel is just wrong? Why?
bethpage89 2 years ago
He made a mistake regarding the Danes and 1792! Abolition of the trade came about in 1803 or 4! And they were looking very close to what was going on in England! Get it right brother.
sedecim 3 years ago
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mikeyb1138 3 years ago
The enslavement of africans by Europeans began in the mid 1400's and continued until around 1860's - thats about 400 years. You are a racist, and a revisionist. You're blocked. Now fuck of back to your Klan meetings.
adycousins 3 years ago 7
@adycousins Not true. The slave trade was financed and supported by jewish merchants and muslim slave traders. Europeans abolished slavery. Then the jews started the Civil War because they were enraged.
Another thing. Slavery was a universal practice. White slavery, Irish slavery, Chinese slavery... etc. Africans don't "own" the history of slavery. There were numerous black slave owners and merchants.
800988 1 year ago
@adycousins Actually the enslavement of people - Europeans, Africans, and Asians - was going on in the Muslim world long before the Europeans started trafficking in African slaves. Likewise, there were plenty of White European serfs in Europe when these Europeans bought into the Muslim slave system (which, incidentally, still exists).
To answer the question, it was industrialism made possible by capitalism that ended slavery. It is Marxism, especially in the PRC, that is bringing it back.
DrCruel 9 months ago
slavery DID NOT END in the civil war. refer to SLAVERY BY ANOTHER NAME: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II. the last case of a lawsuit civil rights violations of the 13th amendment was i think in 1952! furthermore, there was a movement to REOPEN THE SLAVE TRADE IN THE 1850's.
1yellafella 2 years ago
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My friend, I understand how you feel. Your father was a coward who was enslaved by almost everybody. Not only that but your father enslaved his brothers. Your father was a naked primitive savage.
My father was great, merciful, an inventor, bringer of justice, an empire builder, explorer. My father improved the living standard of the world. Without my father there would have been no democracy, no life saving medicine, no space travel and no computers. I am his proud son.
chanakya5514 3 years ago
then your father MUST have been a black man..cool mine too, democracy? do you even know what that is? or where it is practiced because America is a REPUBLIC not a democracy..in fact those so called forefathers were against democracy 100%..i think you should look up the difference..it says, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, it does not say "and to the democracy for which it stands"
qwezzie 2 years ago
Europeans colonised Africa to stop slavery and other barbaric practices and to civilise a savage race. Even if Europeans had not colonised Africa, Africa would have eventually come under the rule of Arabs. I mean, there was hardly any resistance to the Islamic hordes. My brave ancestors regularly defeated Islamic invaders. Islam diverted it's whole energy against Europe but still failed in the long run. It hardly diverted any energy against Africans but got no resistance.
chanakya5514 3 years ago
My forefathers were the brave explorers and conquerers who started the industrial revolution. It is due to the industrial revolution that Europe became richer. Anyways Europeans on average might have been slightly poorer than some Asian peoples or even some native Americans like the Aztecs but were sure as hell much more advanced and richer than primitive africans. Even an English villager lived in a better house than the best African chiefs, Ethiopia being as exception.
chanakya5514 3 years ago
"It is due to the industrial revolution that Europe became richer." - No! without slavery, you have no industrial revolution. English, Irish, and other core European industrial workers consumed goods produced from the so called global south. White workers' wages were going down, and their means of subsistence would only be maintained by lowering the prices of the most basic goods.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
This was done by African, Indian, and Chinese migrant laborers in Latin America/North America, parts of China, and different parts of Africa.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
Africans have been enslaving other africans for ages. Europeans too were enslaved by Arabs. The same Arabs enslaved Africans too. Indeed Europe colonised Africa to stamp out slavery. No other civilisation ever freed slaves in such a way. White Yankees and Southerner brothers butchered each other for the freedom of blacks. 8000 died in Gettysburg alone. White Englishmen fought the White Spaniards to free slaves. And this is what we get.
chanakya5514 3 years ago
whites did no such thing they were fighting for property and those black slaves were their property its as simple as that, they were NOT fighting for the freedom of blacks..that is just the lie that hasbeen told.
qwezzie 2 years ago
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Slavery was stopped by Europeans because they were powerful and merciful. Black Africans should forever sing songs of praise of the Europeans who stopped their slavery.
chanakya5514 3 years ago
in Muslim countries, western christian powers abolished slavery in their colonies. islma began slavery before western powers and ended it forced by these western powers
DeRoquencourt 3 years ago
nothingbut, how do you interpret the [Tsarist I think] liberation the serfs programme?
rerevisionist 3 years ago
It does look (try comparing dates) as if slavery was stopped by the industrial revolution. It's possible in fact that manufacturers of machines regarded slaves as competition. There are exceptions which maybe prove the rule -- nobody could design machines to pick cotton, for example, so slavery persisted in southern USA. NB there's also the problem of what exactly a 'slave' is; were millions of serfs in Russia 'slaves'?
rerevisionist 3 years ago
were millions of serfs in Russia 'slaves'?
they were indentured servants. they got paid and wasn't discriminated against because of their ethnicity.
nothingbutdabest22 3 years ago
hi paul.. i liked the talk..sorry but i couldnt quite catch the reference..i particularly liked the idea of a history of willful ignorance..
im working on something at the moment..on sovereignty and suffering as inversely related..a bit like baudrillard's mobius strip..
and thus constitutes our ongoing ignorance of anything and everything outside it..
aikigenius 4 years ago
There is no question that Slavery funded the new World.
thennnorg 4 years ago 2
I also think what took a place in ending slavery was the white man was scared.They started to see what was happening in the carribean in Jamaica,Haiti etc.. they had brung too many slaves to the countries therefore making the population moslty black.They were scared of an uprising and a takover how they did in these caribbean countries.
gimmedat22 4 years ago
thank you so much for posting this.
rmacias 4 years ago
Industrial revolution turned the labor of 100 men into the labor of 10, so basically Abe and Congress did nothing short of move to the next step of capitalistic production.
JuiceJapan 4 years ago
Agreed!
Kalydosos 4 years ago
Industrialization ended slavery.
ZoltarTube 4 years ago
SLAVE REVOLTS ENDED SLAVERY
nothingbutdabest22 3 years ago
Thank God there are still good people around to tell us about what slavery was really all about. I have always liked Paul Gilroy. Thank you for this, Adycousins.
Pecae and love
BaghdadBeat07 4 years ago 2