You have raised some very important points especially in regards to funding stoping once a person with Autism turns 21. This is really hard because these people really need the support. Why being an adult should they be deprived the support they deserve? It doesn't make sense.
There is no statistical link between vaccinations and autism. Instead of continuing to blame vaccines, which are without a doubt very positive things, we really ought to spend the time and effort to nail down the cause in the environment.
There is a difference. the widening of the dsmiv - was a deliberate attempt to hide the vaccine damage. I have a great name for the people who are responsible for this. Monsters - they know exactly what the effect of vaccines are and its nothing to do with protection from diseases. Not only is there autism there is ADD ADHD PDDS, allthese labels created to hide vaccine damage! - its deliberate folks.there can be no other answer. they are destroying our children.
PUBLIC LAW 95-79 [P.L. 95-79] TITLE 50, CHAPTER 32, SECTION 1520 "CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM" "The use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and biological agents by the U.S. Department of Defense, accounting to Congressional committees with respect to the experiments and studies" "The Secretary of Defense [may] conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological [warfare] agents on civilian populations [within the United States"<<PROOF
The peopole who own the phrama companies also own the media and create the diagnostic criteria.. If you dont start to smell a rat then plug yourself right back into the matrix folks ...
the recent rises appear to be a combination of genetics and environmental - Has anyone in the autistic community actually stopped to look at whether or not the toxins injected into the bodies of autistic infants cause an aspie to become severely autistic? This is a question I have yet to hear an answer to?
its my belief that born autistics may be/are more prone to develop a reaction and be hurt by vaccines. Its a lot harder to get dx for high functioners whereas the low functioners signs are clear. Its very noticable when children/infants regress in this way? I am angry because adult aspies attack parents/parents attack aspies yet when a child goes into massive decline following shots - people are too busy fighting to notice or care!
this fighting is encouraged by the government/medical community/pharmaceutical by fighting each other we leave them alone. NT parents/autistics are being used as a smoke screen. Wake up dont think for yourselves! a parent blames vaccines then adult aspies rightly outraged attack the parents all the while those who know the truth are laughing at you! Stupidity is a trait we all share!
all the pharma funded - so called independent epedimilogical studies which are used to prove the safety of vaccines dont prove a link neither to do they prove they are safe - in fact they done prove jack shit! Q: how much mercury/aluminium, gentically modified disease virus/foreign animalcells/formaledehyde is safe to be injected straight into an newborn infant? A? noone knows
My brothers both have very strong autistic traits (genetic) those coupled with vaccines (entironmental) in the last generation have lead to two aspies, 3 autistics, both mine have problems - Aspies dont appear to regress into aspgerers where as kids like mine regressed and lost speech
I would like the terms for born autists as "Generic Autism" and for those who regress lose prior learned skills as "Regressive Autism" the definitions of "generic" and "regressive" could separate the two. Maybe my kids were destined to Aspies by virtue of genes, but it also made them more vulnerable to the effects of poisioning by vaccines! If Enstein had been born today I wonder if he would have been a non-verbal regressive autistic?
Am I right to assume that your position is that your children were born aspie and vaccines made it worse? I'm curious as to how you think this happened.
In your mind do you seperate the vaccine and the autism? Do you consider them intertwined or sepreate but perhaps corelating things?
Most people I happen across seem to have the two equated in their thoughts. Was wondering who out there feels differently.
Also:I have no doubt that Eistein would be labeled autistic were he born today.
Sumir yes your assumption is right. My brothers both show strong autistic traits, my younger brother is dyslexic. My son especailly spoke from an early age and was very forward up until his MMR which he regressed and lost ability to speak- it started with bowel probs. I beieve my son was destined to be an aspie by birth. Vaccines caused a regression him and he became severely austic.
Einstein clearly was autistic by birth had he been given the cocktail of vaccines that infants today are given would he too have been low functioning like my son? - My observations are that autistics are more sensitive to their environment, ie sensory, dietary, medicines often with co-morbids - I belive its folly to assume that the poisons injected into them via the vaccine schedule doesnt affect them.
You've gotten me interested in the idea of vaccines affecting an already autistic person. As a child I had (what we assumed) unexplained gut problems, as an adult I have extreme sensitivity problems. I never thought in my mind to connect the two.
Perhaps I do seem black and white, I often can't tell if I come off in that manner. (autism symptom or just me being my weird self?)
You've brought up interesting ideas about vaccines. Now I'm interested in researching more. Thnx.
I hate making long comments like this so this is my last -_-;
I don't mean to be offensive to you (and I apologize if I am). But I, perhaps because of my own failings, find it hard to stomach that anyone could look at their child and see something flawed. That they could look at autism just as something bad to be gotten rid of, to be changed, to be destroyed. When I see your son in these vids, I see a beautiful boy who happens to be autistic, and that happens to be a beautiful thing too.
Sumir helping my son to be free of pain and giving him the chance to learn to communicate does not equate to changing him or destroying him it equates to helping him. Peace
Helping your son with his health issuses is fine, I think it's great that you are seeking ways to aleviate his pain. But can you be sure those things are caused by autism? Gut problems and autism likely do not have a link, can you really attched the two?
Helping him to communicate is great, but that is only one aspect of what it means to be autistic. Do you look at him, at his whole autistic self, with hate? If not then my comments are not derected to you.
It's when parents look at their kids as being "consummed" or "swallowed" by autism, as if it is not a part of who they are, with hate and disgust, that it goes too far. When parents refuse to see the good in their own children, with the autism, it's a sad thing.
There are so many other disabled people who are happy as they are, why can't autistics be like that?
Helping to make life livable is great, but stopping to consider that a person could be happy as they are is a great thing too.
We have strong autistic traits in our family. If my children had been like myself and my brothers then I wouldnt be here now. But I saw a dramatic regression and loss of skills that is not genetic autism - its accepted that trauma illness accident can cause regression - in autistics. I dont agree with diabled people being happy with their disability I know physically disabled people who have to come to terms with their disablity too!
I understand what you are saying about how do I know my son is unhappy with being the way they are. Lets just say its mothers intution, he hits his head, he screams he bites himself he self injures and hits out with sheer frustration and he screams when he is constipated. Unfortuntely if I dont help him to have a way of speaking he will have no say in his life as an adult. He will have a life decided by others my job as a parent is do all I can to give him a say in his own life!
Autism is a spectrum disorder it affects everyone differently. your arguments seem very black and white - I dont like to see frustration he suffers and the self injurious behaviours. I love and accept my son for what he is "autistic" but that doesnt mean I shouldnt try to help him reach whatever potential he can! After all thats my job as a parent?
I think it's great that you love and accept your son and want to do everything to help him. Please do not get me wrong. You seem like the type of parent to accept him no matter what.
You don't seem to be the type of parent who hates his stims, hates his outbursts, wants him to be "normal" by any means, putting him through dangerous, stressful "therapies". You're not the type of parent I refer to.
I'm happy that you are there supporting your son.
You speak about those children who appear to be "recovered". How sure can you be that these children are indeed no longer autistic? How can you be sure that they weren't reading lines, or being coerced, or simply masking their natual autistic tendencies for the camera?
I don't doubt that autistic children grow, indeed they are children and growth is natural no matter what, but what you see as "recovery" may simply be development. They are more likely to be progressing than being "cured".
You say let's make a difference between the two yet you still seem to "hate" your childs "autism".
Whether or not it's genetic or "vaccine-induced" can you deny that the symptoms are the same? If two kids, one genetic and one vaccine, have the same symptoms how can you justify treating them differently? You say things like "devastating" in relation to autism, is that a different autism than genetic? When you bad mouth autism, it's the same whether they are vaccine kids or not.
sumir a question? do you think its a good idea tolive a life without a way to communicate and in severe pain? My son has gut problems and no way of communication. I wont write him off. I fight to give him a way to communicate and be free of pain. He has a right to a say in his life? I love him as he is but my role as a parent is to give him a voice - how does that equate to me hating autism?
Right you are! Making specifications between the two DOES matter... it matters because treatments can be different!
Vaccines STILL have all kinds of "mess" in them!! Formaldehyde, antifreeze, etc Then "force" it on our children!
I seen it first hand, with my child who has Asperger's & then got vaccinated for preschool, BAM-O! All the work we had accomplished with his behaviors out the window. DEVASTATING is the right word!! Vaccines are NOT 100% safe!!!
I am in 100% agreement with you as the same happened to both mine - and I was told to ignore it as being a "toddler phrase" what a trusting fool I was! Peace
It means even though you and you're husband may not have autism, one of you could have a "carrier gene" for the syndrome
Ever heard of genetic baldness? Sometimes things like that skip generation's and are passed through "carrier genes" same with all types of genes, maybe you should check out your family histories and do some actual research and come to accept you're child for who he is instead of blaming someone else?
The epidemic of Autism is merely due to the fact that more conditions are now being called Autism. Actual numbers haven't gone up. Also, Ethylmercury-containing thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in 1997. IT'S NOT IN THE VACCINES ANYMORE. There has never been any scientific evidence to show that mercury exposure, especially to Ethylmercury, can cause Autism. I get angry because people who endorse bad explanations will endorse bad solutions, and sometimes dangerous solutions.
Thank you for posting this. There is so much talk out there about how the parents who are trying to cure their children of Autism are somehow, this horrible people who don't accept their children's Autism.
When in reality there is a certain group of children who are actually Mercury poisoned, but have been erroneously diagnosed with Autism. Getting to the bottom of this will be very difficult, because of the link with Thimerosal containing vaccines. Just follow the money.
I am extremely glad that you have looked into this and appreciate the viewpoints of autistic self-advocates (many in your position don't even bother). I do want to say, that while simply separating us into categories of "genetic" and "mercury poisoned" is appealing, as it makes things easier and less polarized, is arbitrary, and even though it took a few years for me to "show" my autism, I have always "felt" autistic and thought of it as part of me, despite my earlier self-hatred.
thank you so much for sharing your story with me and everyone. You are so brave. I am glad to hear the point of view of someone with autism. It is awful when NT's make you feel like stimming ECT are wrong. I embracing Braden's traits that do have to do with something physically painful, like muscle tension. I still get so many comments on this video and they are so polarized, as you say. Thanks for watching and giving your input.
I appreciate the emotional trouble for parents used to children who interacted I hated not being able to do normal things - when people around me said my autistic traits were wrong. Of course, when a respected parent or teacher says, "Such-and-such is wrong with you; what you should really be doing is this," I felt so bad, so inferior from my peers and the school staff who reinforced this, that I grew to hate my stimming, I hated not speaking on demand (I did/do speak, but it can be painful).
Autistic people change over the lifetime in how pronounced autistic traits are - from nonexistent to immediately noticeable. Most autistics don't seem so right away - this has been used as evidence that it's the vaccine, but any scientist knows correlation is not the same as causation. At some times for me, talking, interacting, and playing "normally" were natural, and I seemed neurotypical between ages of about 3 and 5 - though it's normal for kids to gain adaptive skills without intervention.
Doctor my child doesn't sit when I tell him to and I can't get him to beg.. He's not interested in fetch or worshipping the very ground I walk on. Can you cross my child with a dog so I will be happy?
That's the hostility.
perhaps you will get this....
Why call autism a "beast" when that is what is missing?
It is known and you are not allowed to know. because you may attempt to remove what is good and not address the toxic environment that is screwing with an eons old relationship. hint it makes women beautiful and more social and makes men smarter and loners.
You're on to something here! No people with autism are not contagious or disease carriers. Many kids I work with are people who I believe have been exposed to environmental factors that have created a pseudo autism. There are other children who are distinctly different from that first group. I think there those with a genetically based type autism and I think that there are other kids who may fit into other subgroups.
I must say, Adrenalyn, I am NOT Diseased or nor Do I have an epidemic, I am a very vibrant and alive being. I don't like how they talk about Autism. The so called Epidemic that you describe is actually a gift, and we are not Suffering, it is PEOPLE LIKE YOU, who bring down the spirits of people like me. LOVE your son/daughter. Mecury is MERELY a trigger
I do love all people, autisitc, NT and everything else. I even love you. I don't think you are diseased, I've never said that. Autism is an epidemic in that the numbers of people getting ASD are at epidemic levels. If you believe that mercury triggers this you MUST believe that it can be treated.
Serge I love you, my kids but I dont love the lies and hatred around vaccine debates, you yourself said that whilst autistics and parents are engaged in fighting the real cuprits are laughing at us - genetics/triggers have all played a part in todays epidemics born aspies are given vaccines that cause them to regress and become severely autistic. We need to put aside this squabbling and protect these kids and help them!
It is quite important to vaccinate children! Because I vaccinated (along with millions of others) vaccinating their children, yours and others like yours have the benefit of "herd immunity". I am not saying its bad or good, but if we didn't vaccinate at all, then we would have some issues with the re-emergence of some serious epidemics!
My 5 year old was recently diagnosed high functioning autistic. I have always known that Ben has been different since birth, I have raised 2 other children, ran a friends daycare for 1 1/2 yrs and knew he was unique.
Simple truisms like the color blue has every color but blue in it. Why name a color what is missing?
If you mix every possible color together you get black.. the absence of reflected light.. What room is brighter a room with a 60 watt white light or a 60 watt black light? Why define what you see as missing as your child?
See a pigment reflects a wavelength so it has none of that wavelength in it... and if you change the spectrum of light it is a different color to your perception.. You are looking in a negative light. You look at autism in a narrow spectra and seem to miss the magic.
Would like to think so here in the Uk in the courts the Judge who dismissed the mmr litigation has a brother who is a non exec director of GSK who also owns the Lancet medical journal which denounced Wakefield watch my video..enjoy sorry its my son on the swing again thats what he does all the time.
I am so gifted with these children, I am learning what life is really about.I agree that there should be new terminology, because that may bring out a wider interest in learning what to do to find a cure for each individual, knowing that some may never come to that conclusion, I think we should have a huge broadcast from the parents on a major station not showing what so much is our problems dealing with autism but showing that there is not enough attention going towards possible cures.
I agree. I think that terminology has caused WAY TOO MUCH fighting and arguing about what's what and whose feelings are getting hurt. We need more focus on the treatment, services and quality of life for everyone on the spectrum.
Some people say that the children who are toxic, it's because they already had autism and thats why their bodies couldn't tolerate the immunization, because they already weren't functioning properly. I guess ii's a possibility. But my daughter was always different.
I always had a sixth sense about the vaccine danger, and delayed, delayed, delayed, with all four of my kids- and then did half doses, after the first high fever occured, w/the DPT booster- I got in big trouble, with my Dr. for it- God Bless you, and your beautiful child
Thank you so much, and good for you to follow your gut feeling. As mothers we know more than any doctor, our natural instinct is a built in warning system. We should listen to our hearts a little more when it comes to our kids. =)
This was interesting. I'm very aware of the opposing camps. I was shocked by how much your son is like my son (my son is 3.5). I mean I could have been watching my own son (this including the good things...I'm not saying anything negative). My son did show signs extremely early. Then again, he had his first vax at 24 hours of age. Anyway...interesting, thanks.
You make another valid point. New-Borns are given the HEP B shot in the first 24 hours of life! I can't believe this. The child's immuine system hasn't even developed yet and they attack it with mercury and other garbage. These kids don't have a chance.
Yeah. :( And in fact, when I counted, separating out each "combo" shot into each disease and including boosters, my son had TWENTY-FOUR shots in his first 24 months of life. When I complained, the doctor said, "Do you want to get your child into public school or do you want to be taken to jail for child neglect?"
Yeah, I love how the doctors try to make you think that you are going to get into trouble for NOT vaccinating. The real neglect is pumping children and babies full of toxins and animal DNA. It's like a horror movie plot, only real.
You posit an epidemic. Where is your evidence? You suggest commonality of symptoms between mercury poisoning and autism. Where is your evidence? When you address these issues I'll consider them as a 'response'.
I totally agree. I know both types. My cousin was born Autistic. I don't think her Autism was genes. During her birth, the amblical cord was wrapped around her neck 3 times, and cut off oxygen to her brain. We think that this is the cause of her Autism. On the other side is my son, who is metal toxic (lead & copper). He was NT till about 2 yo. Then he just slipped away.
Thanks Carmen. I'm hoping that one day we will know the differences with scientific proof to back it up. I think for now it is inportant for all of us to work together to make it happen.
Thank you for defining the difference. I too am fed up with the idea that my children were born this way. I watch them drift away and now they are drifting back. I admire your strength. I am one of your My Space friends as will. Keep in touch and keep up the fight!
You've piqued my curiosity. i.e.: what tests were taken for mercury toxicity etc. What are all the various symptoms of mercuralism that you have found? BTW, I rated this 5*. I agree Hg causes nerve cell damage. Also, I'd like to know what symptomatic differences there would be between the two. Maybe none since both appear as autism? Or do you think there is a difference that has led you to know that your child has the mercury kind?
Actually, it seemed that you said that a child would not be "autistic" before shots and then afterwards, they develop it. If that's the case, it makes sense. Do you have or know of anyone who has footage of before shots and after? Might not be so unusual with the advent of video journalism. THAT would convince I think. The wording I'm still thinking about. I think words can change and would be great but it would need to have substance to back up the "distinction" I guess.
I actually know os several hundred people with video footage of their children speaking and playing ECT. BEFORE the shots or the overuse of antibiotics. Now they don't have the same abilites that they once showed. I wish I knew a way to distinguish between the 2 types I think we are seeing here.
The tests are the actuall pulling of mercury from the body, which we have done with scarey results. The symptomes of mercury poisoning and autism mirror each other. The only difference i can think of is that some people knew their child was BORN different, I experienced my child born NT and slip into characteristics of autism. Thanks for this response LordHenery
I agree that there seems to be 2 different things here(geneteic and mercury induced) I'm curious though....when a child is autistic...is there a way to distinguish between genetic and mercury induced autism? by that I mean, are the "symptoms" or characterisitics different from eachother when they are a child?
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on anything here. I didn't know until recently that these two "factions" if you will, of autism existed. But I know that there are some people that can pinpoint the exact moment their child "became" autistic. Usually it happens shortly after receiving either a vaccine that contains MMR or Thimerosol or after receiving broad spectrum antibiotics. Before this event the child was developing normally and then they sort of fade away.
You're right a lot o people can pinpoint the exact time when their child became different. A lot of people in the autistic community feel and/or know that they were born autistic.
The only difference I have observed and/or heard of is that mercury induced is characterized by a complete change in behavior and skill, where genetic may be know from the time of birth. I think this may also raise a question about the toxicity of the mother. I don't want to open a flood gate here, but it's worth looking at.
Adrenalyn. My family have strong autistic traits (genetic autism) however the only ones in our family that regressed and lost speech were in the last generation my son was the most severely affected. The problem is the spectrum covers all types of autism including those who have regressed - perhaps if these kids had grown they would not have had the dx of autism as many in the autistic community dont have dx until adulthood! The autism my son has is not high functioning Aspergers!
Now there is a video called "Autism Yesterday" with MANY children who are now "recovered" from the mercury-induced version of Autism.
Hope4Brade 10 months ago
You have raised some very important points especially in regards to funding stoping once a person with Autism turns 21. This is really hard because these people really need the support. Why being an adult should they be deprived the support they deserve? It doesn't make sense.
magicalmiriam 3 years ago
There is no statistical link between vaccinations and autism. Instead of continuing to blame vaccines, which are without a doubt very positive things, we really ought to spend the time and effort to nail down the cause in the environment.
KaoriBlue 3 years ago
Maybe the things that are happening to children, with reguards to regression related to vaccines, is mislabeled as autism...
My son was completely normal, got 9 shots, and within 15 minutes was having a massive seizure. He woke up from his coma 4 days later WITH AUTISM.
He was normal, speaking, communicating, walking, everything... 9 vaccines at once and he was GONE.
I sued. I won.
navywife1977 3 years ago
There is a difference. the widening of the dsmiv - was a deliberate attempt to hide the vaccine damage. I have a great name for the people who are responsible for this. Monsters - they know exactly what the effect of vaccines are and its nothing to do with protection from diseases. Not only is there autism there is ADD ADHD PDDS, allthese labels created to hide vaccine damage! - its deliberate folks.there can be no other answer. they are destroying our children.
MzTruthSeerUK 3 years ago
PUBLIC LAW 95-79 [P.L. 95-79] TITLE 50, CHAPTER 32, SECTION 1520 "CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM" "The use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and biological agents by the U.S. Department of Defense, accounting to Congressional committees with respect to the experiments and studies" "The Secretary of Defense [may] conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological [warfare] agents on civilian populations [within the United States"<<PROOF
MzTruthSeerUK 3 years ago
The peopole who own the phrama companies also own the media and create the diagnostic criteria.. If you dont start to smell a rat then plug yourself right back into the matrix folks ...
MzTruthSeerUK 3 years ago
the recent rises appear to be a combination of genetics and environmental - Has anyone in the autistic community actually stopped to look at whether or not the toxins injected into the bodies of autistic infants cause an aspie to become severely autistic? This is a question I have yet to hear an answer to?
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
its my belief that born autistics may be/are more prone to develop a reaction and be hurt by vaccines. Its a lot harder to get dx for high functioners whereas the low functioners signs are clear. Its very noticable when children/infants regress in this way? I am angry because adult aspies attack parents/parents attack aspies yet when a child goes into massive decline following shots - people are too busy fighting to notice or care!
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
this fighting is encouraged by the government/medical community/pharmaceutical by fighting each other we leave them alone. NT parents/autistics are being used as a smoke screen. Wake up dont think for yourselves! a parent blames vaccines then adult aspies rightly outraged attack the parents all the while those who know the truth are laughing at you! Stupidity is a trait we all share!
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
all the pharma funded - so called independent epedimilogical studies which are used to prove the safety of vaccines dont prove a link neither to do they prove they are safe - in fact they done prove jack shit! Q: how much mercury/aluminium, gentically modified disease virus/foreign animalcells/formaledehyde is safe to be injected straight into an newborn infant? A? noone knows
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
My brothers both have very strong autistic traits (genetic) those coupled with vaccines (entironmental) in the last generation have lead to two aspies, 3 autistics, both mine have problems - Aspies dont appear to regress into aspgerers where as kids like mine regressed and lost speech
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
I would like the terms for born autists as "Generic Autism" and for those who regress lose prior learned skills as "Regressive Autism" the definitions of "generic" and "regressive" could separate the two. Maybe my kids were destined to Aspies by virtue of genes, but it also made them more vulnerable to the effects of poisioning by vaccines! If Enstein had been born today I wonder if he would have been a non-verbal regressive autistic?
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
Am I right to assume that your position is that your children were born aspie and vaccines made it worse? I'm curious as to how you think this happened.
In your mind do you seperate the vaccine and the autism? Do you consider them intertwined or sepreate but perhaps corelating things?
Most people I happen across seem to have the two equated in their thoughts. Was wondering who out there feels differently.
Also:I have no doubt that Eistein would be labeled autistic were he born today.
SumireIsrafel 4 years ago
Sumir yes your assumption is right. My brothers both show strong autistic traits, my younger brother is dyslexic. My son especailly spoke from an early age and was very forward up until his MMR which he regressed and lost ability to speak- it started with bowel probs. I beieve my son was destined to be an aspie by birth. Vaccines caused a regression him and he became severely austic.
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
Einstein clearly was autistic by birth had he been given the cocktail of vaccines that infants today are given would he too have been low functioning like my son? - My observations are that autistics are more sensitive to their environment, ie sensory, dietary, medicines often with co-morbids - I belive its folly to assume that the poisons injected into them via the vaccine schedule doesnt affect them.
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
I saw both my children react become hospitalised after vaccines and I was told it was "normal" the accumulated affect of the schedule built up.
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
You've gotten me interested in the idea of vaccines affecting an already autistic person. As a child I had (what we assumed) unexplained gut problems, as an adult I have extreme sensitivity problems. I never thought in my mind to connect the two.
Perhaps I do seem black and white, I often can't tell if I come off in that manner. (autism symptom or just me being my weird self?)
You've brought up interesting ideas about vaccines. Now I'm interested in researching more. Thnx.
SumireIsrafel 4 years ago
I hate making long comments like this so this is my last -_-;
I don't mean to be offensive to you (and I apologize if I am). But I, perhaps because of my own failings, find it hard to stomach that anyone could look at their child and see something flawed. That they could look at autism just as something bad to be gotten rid of, to be changed, to be destroyed. When I see your son in these vids, I see a beautiful boy who happens to be autistic, and that happens to be a beautiful thing too.
Thnx
SumireIsrafel 4 years ago
Sumir helping my son to be free of pain and giving him the chance to learn to communicate does not equate to changing him or destroying him it equates to helping him. Peace
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
Helping your son with his health issuses is fine, I think it's great that you are seeking ways to aleviate his pain. But can you be sure those things are caused by autism? Gut problems and autism likely do not have a link, can you really attched the two?
Helping him to communicate is great, but that is only one aspect of what it means to be autistic. Do you look at him, at his whole autistic self, with hate? If not then my comments are not derected to you.
SumireIsrafel 4 years ago
It's when parents look at their kids as being "consummed" or "swallowed" by autism, as if it is not a part of who they are, with hate and disgust, that it goes too far. When parents refuse to see the good in their own children, with the autism, it's a sad thing.
There are so many other disabled people who are happy as they are, why can't autistics be like that?
Helping to make life livable is great, but stopping to consider that a person could be happy as they are is a great thing too.
SumireIsrafel 4 years ago
We have strong autistic traits in our family. If my children had been like myself and my brothers then I wouldnt be here now. But I saw a dramatic regression and loss of skills that is not genetic autism - its accepted that trauma illness accident can cause regression - in autistics. I dont agree with diabled people being happy with their disability I know physically disabled people who have to come to terms with their disablity too!
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
I understand what you are saying about how do I know my son is unhappy with being the way they are. Lets just say its mothers intution, he hits his head, he screams he bites himself he self injures and hits out with sheer frustration and he screams when he is constipated. Unfortuntely if I dont help him to have a way of speaking he will have no say in his life as an adult. He will have a life decided by others my job as a parent is do all I can to give him a say in his own life!
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
sumir how many autistics have dietary issues? this is directly related to gut/behaviour/pain cealiac disease is a good example IBS?
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
Autism is a spectrum disorder it affects everyone differently. your arguments seem very black and white - I dont like to see frustration he suffers and the self injurious behaviours. I love and accept my son for what he is "autistic" but that doesnt mean I shouldnt try to help him reach whatever potential he can! After all thats my job as a parent?
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
I think it's great that you love and accept your son and want to do everything to help him. Please do not get me wrong. You seem like the type of parent to accept him no matter what.
You don't seem to be the type of parent who hates his stims, hates his outbursts, wants him to be "normal" by any means, putting him through dangerous, stressful "therapies". You're not the type of parent I refer to.
I'm happy that you are there supporting your son.
SumireIsrafel 4 years ago
You speak about those children who appear to be "recovered". How sure can you be that these children are indeed no longer autistic? How can you be sure that they weren't reading lines, or being coerced, or simply masking their natual autistic tendencies for the camera?
I don't doubt that autistic children grow, indeed they are children and growth is natural no matter what, but what you see as "recovery" may simply be development. They are more likely to be progressing than being "cured".
SumireIsrafel 4 years ago
You say let's make a difference between the two yet you still seem to "hate" your childs "autism".
Whether or not it's genetic or "vaccine-induced" can you deny that the symptoms are the same? If two kids, one genetic and one vaccine, have the same symptoms how can you justify treating them differently? You say things like "devastating" in relation to autism, is that a different autism than genetic? When you bad mouth autism, it's the same whether they are vaccine kids or not.
SumireIsrafel 4 years ago
sumir a question? do you think its a good idea tolive a life without a way to communicate and in severe pain? My son has gut problems and no way of communication. I wont write him off. I fight to give him a way to communicate and be free of pain. He has a right to a say in his life? I love him as he is but my role as a parent is to give him a voice - how does that equate to me hating autism?
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
Vaccines are untested and only tested when on the market shelf.
In the Uk its easier to get blood from a stone thanget a dianosis of Autism this is due to them trying to dumb down the REAL figures of autism.
MMR RIP(Icould go on)
notommr 4 years ago
Right you are! Making specifications between the two DOES matter... it matters because treatments can be different!
Vaccines STILL have all kinds of "mess" in them!! Formaldehyde, antifreeze, etc Then "force" it on our children!
I seen it first hand, with my child who has Asperger's & then got vaccinated for preschool, BAM-O! All the work we had accomplished with his behaviors out the window. DEVASTATING is the right word!! Vaccines are NOT 100% safe!!!
philkellyk 4 years ago
I am in 100% agreement with you as the same happened to both mine - and I was told to ignore it as being a "toddler phrase" what a trusting fool I was! Peace
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
have you ever heard of spontaneous gene's?
It means even though you and you're husband may not have autism, one of you could have a "carrier gene" for the syndrome
Ever heard of genetic baldness? Sometimes things like that skip generation's and are passed through "carrier genes" same with all types of genes, maybe you should check out your family histories and do some actual research and come to accept you're child for who he is instead of blaming someone else?
ProtossX 4 years ago
The epidemic of Autism is merely due to the fact that more conditions are now being called Autism. Actual numbers haven't gone up. Also, Ethylmercury-containing thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in 1997. IT'S NOT IN THE VACCINES ANYMORE. There has never been any scientific evidence to show that mercury exposure, especially to Ethylmercury, can cause Autism. I get angry because people who endorse bad explanations will endorse bad solutions, and sometimes dangerous solutions.
macman13 4 years ago
Thank you for posting this. There is so much talk out there about how the parents who are trying to cure their children of Autism are somehow, this horrible people who don't accept their children's Autism.
When in reality there is a certain group of children who are actually Mercury poisoned, but have been erroneously diagnosed with Autism. Getting to the bottom of this will be very difficult, because of the link with Thimerosal containing vaccines. Just follow the money.
autismtookmickie 4 years ago
I am extremely glad that you have looked into this and appreciate the viewpoints of autistic self-advocates (many in your position don't even bother). I do want to say, that while simply separating us into categories of "genetic" and "mercury poisoned" is appealing, as it makes things easier and less polarized, is arbitrary, and even though it took a few years for me to "show" my autism, I have always "felt" autistic and thought of it as part of me, despite my earlier self-hatred.
AuRatio 4 years ago
thank you so much for sharing your story with me and everyone. You are so brave. I am glad to hear the point of view of someone with autism. It is awful when NT's make you feel like stimming ECT are wrong. I embracing Braden's traits that do have to do with something physically painful, like muscle tension. I still get so many comments on this video and they are so polarized, as you say. Thanks for watching and giving your input.
Adrenalyn 4 years ago
I appreciate the emotional trouble for parents used to children who interacted I hated not being able to do normal things - when people around me said my autistic traits were wrong. Of course, when a respected parent or teacher says, "Such-and-such is wrong with you; what you should really be doing is this," I felt so bad, so inferior from my peers and the school staff who reinforced this, that I grew to hate my stimming, I hated not speaking on demand (I did/do speak, but it can be painful).
AuRatio 4 years ago
Autistic people change over the lifetime in how pronounced autistic traits are - from nonexistent to immediately noticeable. Most autistics don't seem so right away - this has been used as evidence that it's the vaccine, but any scientist knows correlation is not the same as causation. At some times for me, talking, interacting, and playing "normally" were natural, and I seemed neurotypical between ages of about 3 and 5 - though it's normal for kids to gain adaptive skills without intervention.
AuRatio 4 years ago
Doctor my child doesn't sit when I tell him to and I can't get him to beg.. He's not interested in fetch or worshipping the very ground I walk on. Can you cross my child with a dog so I will be happy?
That's the hostility.
perhaps you will get this....
Why call autism a "beast" when that is what is missing?
abram730 4 years ago
Another example of not getting my point. Children with autism are not badly behaved, they are sick.
Adrenalyn 4 years ago
I don't think you get it.
It is known and you are not allowed to know. because you may attempt to remove what is good and not address the toxic environment that is screwing with an eons old relationship. hint it makes women beautiful and more social and makes men smarter and loners.
abram730 4 years ago
You're on to something here! No people with autism are not contagious or disease carriers. Many kids I work with are people who I believe have been exposed to environmental factors that have created a pseudo autism. There are other children who are distinctly different from that first group. I think there those with a genetically based type autism and I think that there are other kids who may fit into other subgroups.
simplyimagineit 4 years ago
Thank you for seeing my point and not being offended.
Adrenalyn 4 years ago
I must say, Adrenalyn, I am NOT Diseased or nor Do I have an epidemic, I am a very vibrant and alive being. I don't like how they talk about Autism. The so called Epidemic that you describe is actually a gift, and we are not Suffering, it is PEOPLE LIKE YOU, who bring down the spirits of people like me. LOVE your son/daughter. Mecury is MERELY a trigger
Serge165 4 years ago
I do love all people, autisitc, NT and everything else. I even love you. I don't think you are diseased, I've never said that. Autism is an epidemic in that the numbers of people getting ASD are at epidemic levels. If you believe that mercury triggers this you MUST believe that it can be treated.
Adrenalyn 4 years ago
Serge I love you, my kids but I dont love the lies and hatred around vaccine debates, you yourself said that whilst autistics and parents are engaged in fighting the real cuprits are laughing at us - genetics/triggers have all played a part in todays epidemics born aspies are given vaccines that cause them to regress and become severely autistic. We need to put aside this squabbling and protect these kids and help them!
MizzybUK1 4 years ago
It is quite important to vaccinate children! Because I vaccinated (along with millions of others) vaccinating their children, yours and others like yours have the benefit of "herd immunity". I am not saying its bad or good, but if we didn't vaccinate at all, then we would have some issues with the re-emergence of some serious epidemics!
happynurse63 4 years ago
My 5 year old was recently diagnosed high functioning autistic. I have always known that Ben has been different since birth, I have raised 2 other children, ran a friends daycare for 1 1/2 yrs and knew he was unique.
happynurse63 4 years ago
Reality can freak some people out.
Simple truisms like the color blue has every color but blue in it. Why name a color what is missing?
If you mix every possible color together you get black.. the absence of reflected light.. What room is brighter a room with a 60 watt white light or a 60 watt black light? Why define what you see as missing as your child?
abram730 4 years ago
See a pigment reflects a wavelength so it has none of that wavelength in it... and if you change the spectrum of light it is a different color to your perception.. You are looking in a negative light. You look at autism in a narrow spectra and seem to miss the magic.
abram730 4 years ago
Belter hon from the U of K to the U S of A.
notommr 4 years ago
please clarify this comment.
Adrenalyn 4 years ago
Agree 1005 percent whats s being said honesty from the United Kingdom and the United States one leveller Autism .Cheers
notommr 4 years ago
I get it now. =) Thanks for the comment. :P
Hopefully this issue will not know borders and we can bring justice to our children.
Adrenalyn 4 years ago
Would like to think so here in the Uk in the courts the Judge who dismissed the mmr litigation has a brother who is a non exec director of GSK who also owns the Lancet medical journal which denounced Wakefield watch my video..enjoy sorry its my son on the swing again thats what he does all the time.
notommr 4 years ago
I am so gifted with these children, I am learning what life is really about.I agree that there should be new terminology, because that may bring out a wider interest in learning what to do to find a cure for each individual, knowing that some may never come to that conclusion, I think we should have a huge broadcast from the parents on a major station not showing what so much is our problems dealing with autism but showing that there is not enough attention going towards possible cures.
mossimo689 4 years ago
I agree. I think that terminology has caused WAY TOO MUCH fighting and arguing about what's what and whose feelings are getting hurt. We need more focus on the treatment, services and quality of life for everyone on the spectrum.
Adrenalyn 4 years ago
Some people say that the children who are toxic, it's because they already had autism and thats why their bodies couldn't tolerate the immunization, because they already weren't functioning properly. I guess ii's a possibility. But my daughter was always different.
Allegra250 5 years ago
I always had a sixth sense about the vaccine danger, and delayed, delayed, delayed, with all four of my kids- and then did half doses, after the first high fever occured, w/the DPT booster- I got in big trouble, with my Dr. for it- God Bless you, and your beautiful child
katybate 5 years ago
Thank you so much, and good for you to follow your gut feeling. As mothers we know more than any doctor, our natural instinct is a built in warning system. We should listen to our hearts a little more when it comes to our kids. =)
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
This was interesting. I'm very aware of the opposing camps. I was shocked by how much your son is like my son (my son is 3.5). I mean I could have been watching my own son (this including the good things...I'm not saying anything negative). My son did show signs extremely early. Then again, he had his first vax at 24 hours of age. Anyway...interesting, thanks.
autumngirl8967 5 years ago
You make another valid point. New-Borns are given the HEP B shot in the first 24 hours of life! I can't believe this. The child's immuine system hasn't even developed yet and they attack it with mercury and other garbage. These kids don't have a chance.
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
Yeah. :( And in fact, when I counted, separating out each "combo" shot into each disease and including boosters, my son had TWENTY-FOUR shots in his first 24 months of life. When I complained, the doctor said, "Do you want to get your child into public school or do you want to be taken to jail for child neglect?"
autumngirl8967 5 years ago
Yeah, I love how the doctors try to make you think that you are going to get into trouble for NOT vaccinating. The real neglect is pumping children and babies full of toxins and animal DNA. It's like a horror movie plot, only real.
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
You posit an epidemic. Where is your evidence? You suggest commonality of symptoms between mercury poisoning and autism. Where is your evidence? When you address these issues I'll consider them as a 'response'.
KevLeitch 5 years ago
I look forward to responding to this comment. If too much time passes please DO remind me to get back to you. I have the paperwork you seek.
Mercury poisoning and Autism symptoms and characters MIRROR each other.
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
And again, this forum is to disguss Autism from birth and Autism after 1-3 years. I asked you not to argue with me....
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
I totally agree. I know both types. My cousin was born Autistic. I don't think her Autism was genes. During her birth, the amblical cord was wrapped around her neck 3 times, and cut off oxygen to her brain. We think that this is the cause of her Autism. On the other side is my son, who is metal toxic (lead & copper). He was NT till about 2 yo. Then he just slipped away.
netfairy23 5 years ago
I'm fighting for the day when they stop tossing every disability under the spectrum. We'll get there one day. =)
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
Thanks Carmen. I'm hoping that one day we will know the differences with scientific proof to back it up. I think for now it is inportant for all of us to work together to make it happen.
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
Thank you for defining the difference. I too am fed up with the idea that my children were born this way. I watch them drift away and now they are drifting back. I admire your strength. I am one of your My Space friends as will. Keep in touch and keep up the fight!
-Carmen
jrcatkins 5 years ago
You've piqued my curiosity. i.e.: what tests were taken for mercury toxicity etc. What are all the various symptoms of mercuralism that you have found? BTW, I rated this 5*. I agree Hg causes nerve cell damage. Also, I'd like to know what symptomatic differences there would be between the two. Maybe none since both appear as autism? Or do you think there is a difference that has led you to know that your child has the mercury kind?
lordalfredhenry 5 years ago
Actually, it seemed that you said that a child would not be "autistic" before shots and then afterwards, they develop it. If that's the case, it makes sense. Do you have or know of anyone who has footage of before shots and after? Might not be so unusual with the advent of video journalism. THAT would convince I think. The wording I'm still thinking about. I think words can change and would be great but it would need to have substance to back up the "distinction" I guess.
lordalfredhenry 5 years ago
I actually know os several hundred people with video footage of their children speaking and playing ECT. BEFORE the shots or the overuse of antibiotics. Now they don't have the same abilites that they once showed. I wish I knew a way to distinguish between the 2 types I think we are seeing here.
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
The tests are the actuall pulling of mercury from the body, which we have done with scarey results. The symptomes of mercury poisoning and autism mirror each other. The only difference i can think of is that some people knew their child was BORN different, I experienced my child born NT and slip into characteristics of autism. Thanks for this response LordHenery
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
I agree that there seems to be 2 different things here(geneteic and mercury induced) I'm curious though....when a child is autistic...is there a way to distinguish between genetic and mercury induced autism? by that I mean, are the "symptoms" or characterisitics different from eachother when they are a child?
carrieml82 5 years ago
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on anything here. I didn't know until recently that these two "factions" if you will, of autism existed. But I know that there are some people that can pinpoint the exact moment their child "became" autistic. Usually it happens shortly after receiving either a vaccine that contains MMR or Thimerosol or after receiving broad spectrum antibiotics. Before this event the child was developing normally and then they sort of fade away.
melcabral 5 years ago
You're right a lot o people can pinpoint the exact time when their child became different. A lot of people in the autistic community feel and/or know that they were born autistic.
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
The only difference I have observed and/or heard of is that mercury induced is characterized by a complete change in behavior and skill, where genetic may be know from the time of birth. I think this may also raise a question about the toxicity of the mother. I don't want to open a flood gate here, but it's worth looking at.
Adrenalyn 5 years ago
Adrenalyn. My family have strong autistic traits (genetic autism) however the only ones in our family that regressed and lost speech were in the last generation my son was the most severely affected. The problem is the spectrum covers all types of autism including those who have regressed - perhaps if these kids had grown they would not have had the dx of autism as many in the autistic community dont have dx until adulthood! The autism my son has is not high functioning Aspergers!
MizzybUK1 4 years ago