@volarion What does? =O You mean the pointless weapon swinging? =3 Well...Yeah. In most cases it helps me against very cautious fighters. Though against quick people, I do get killed X_x
@BernardLeTocard It's hard...People say shoto/dagger is for killing only, others say its for defense, other says its for parrying...*shrug* There's many different ways in using it. There isn't a exact right or wrong...I think.
That's a good remark though, and I think that the shoto should be used for both attack and defense. The risk of using it for only one purpose is to fight in a defined and foreseeable scheme, which is usually fatal in combat.
pls guys, use some face protection...even if you fight at 10% - accidents happen, especially with using wooden sword instead of flexible Fechtschwerts =)
@mrcraftsmann Indeed. O_o I was part of a medievil fighting group, and when we trained helmless we made sure not strikes went above, or came from above shoulder height...These guys must be good, and trust one another well to do this.
@mrcraftsmann Lol, did I forget to mention when we train helmless we use real swords just blunted down? =D But you're right. >_< in any spar, training, ANYTHING can happen. One guy in my club got his front tooth chipped in training. Almost looks like a rats fang.
I'd like to say even though it doesn't play into any comment that the use of the other weapons of a samurai's arsenal weren't widely used until Miyomoto Musashi introduced Musashism which is to be equally good with all of your weapons.
@shohchkheh You'll be surprised when u hold a sword and go one on one how much you find pointless weapon swinging is helpful. It will, in most cases force your opponent to look at the blade, or move his eyes in direction u want. Its like a feint.
I'm sorry but I genuinely think real samurai would laugh their heads off for this. There a`re so many unnecessary movements, so much openings left unchecked or unscathed. Honestly. think about it. Would you genuinely think you'd have a chance while acting like this in a real battle? No, you'd be way more on guard, and if you're anywhere near experienced, you'd be calm, because all it takes is one good it and you've won.
@xxzodiacxx01 that kind of training mentality still lives on in other groups, and anyone can try to do it. military special ops spend the vast majority of their time training i believe.
@eric21881 yes i know.... but it is "impossible" for a person to train like they used too (like, for example, trying the katanas with prissoners O.O), dueling to death. The military don't train with katanas :)
It's hard to say. I don't know what level of expertise he has. They don't have protection so he may hold back. It also depends on you, how fast you learn, your physique, if you have done any other martial art or similar, how much you train, if you have a good or bad teacher, or any teacher at all for that matter. I would guess about half a year to a year. But as I said, you may be this good in two weeks or it may take you five years.
The thing I am curious about is why both fighters aren't wearing fencing helmets. Especially because a majority of the German longsword attacks aim at the neck/high shoulder. You can see the german longsword fighter finding it difficult to get a safe attack in.
@volarion cos the bokken and shoto guy looks like he has no idea what hes doing and the longsworder should have twatted him in the face many times but didnt therefore this spar was shit.
@dadtheogre Thats kinda the point these guys actually know what their doing a lot of dances in the middle ages were actually made to practice footwork for the longsword
This is AT LEAST a hand and a half sword (aka bastard sword).
A "Longsword" can be easily wielded one-handed by an adult male but even though this guy is above-average sized, it would be a task for him to effectively wield it one-handed.
ah...no. Longswords were specifically forged to be two handed weapons. They were typically between 45 to 47 inches in overall length. Hand and a half swords or bastard swords were similar, but tended to be a few inches shorter to make one handed use easier. The one handed sword you are describing is called an arming sword.
@l3054 cause idiotic people wants to see stupid flips and tricks like LOTR and Bleach. =( Sadly, until one actually holds a sword and fights, they don't know what real, hand to hand, contact sword fightings like.
This is a friendly sparring match without protection except gloves. Because they don't have any masks and other protective gear and use wooden training weapons, you don't see any hard hits.
Wooden wasters tends to be very blade-heavy. The blade have to be very thick so that the blade doesn't break and the pommel isn't big enought to counterbalance that. Also, remember that these guys don't have any protection so they can't fight as they would with protection.
@gurkfisk89 I would disagree highly. If you want good wasters that are much closer the the real long swords, get them from Raven’s studios or New Stirling Arms. They make the best Wasters. It also all depends on the waster as well. Many Long swords and Wasters are also tapered to have a nice blade as well for better at thrusting… Also the German Long sword are very nice, and feels great. You guys must thinking about the the Hand and Halfs? Some hand and halfs are a bit tip heavy...
I totally agree that it depends on the waster. But the ones that I have hold they all was very blade beavy.
What do you mean when you say a german longsword isn't a hand and half? Sure some longswords are easier to use one handed than others but I don't thing any of them are true two handed weapons or true one handed ones so I would throw nearly all of them the hand and half category.
Looks to me like the man with the bokken pays no attention to the amount of force a strike from Vom Tag would generate, and idly blocks it with his off-hand to set up his own thrust.
You've never engaged in physically strenuous activities before, have you? Your expression will change based upon how physically strenuous the activity is. Try lifting something heavy. Your expression will change. Does that mean you think you're an olympic athlete?
Additionally, if you're sparring, you need to assume stances. It's not a matter of choice; if you don't, you'll get hit. Simple as that.
@HereTheArtBegins u need a stand orelse u get hit ??? ahhah wow then u must suck i trrain allot u dont know what i have done if you would u would have change ur opion
Or, I actually know about sparring. Why do you think /all/ forms of martial arts utilize stances? Hm? Because they're pretty? No, because they're fundamental aspects of combat; they're basically essential to pulling off many techniques and they're essential to defense.
@HereTheArtBegins dude im making fun of them what makes you think i do this kind of crap ? its fighting not how to stand ur not gonna win in a streetfight with stances believe that
And I'm saying, your criticism is stupid and shows more that /you/ don't know what you're talking about than anything else.
Stances are an essential component of any hand to hand fighting system. Look at them all. Do any of them have you standing outside of a ready position? Even modern hand to hand systems utilize some sort of ready stance, like Krav Maga, Sambo, and BJJ.
Even knowing how to stand is important, because if you're not standing correctly, you'll be off balance.
People usually aren't fighters when they're first learning martial arts. Did you think everyone was born with this knowledge ingrained? No, they have to be taught. Even if you have an intuitive sense, it has to be refined.
And even if you "have it" you will still have to be trained from the most basic skills to the most advanced. Aptitude only makes it easier for you to learn those.
@HereTheArtBegins i know that a friend of mine does kungfu all of those stances for 3 or 4 years training and nothing he is weak he cant defend himself i with only cardio and muscle training kick his ass easyly
Stances aren't the end of training. They're the beginning. Additionally, your friend might just suck. This doesn't mean that learning stances is useless; it's the first part of any combat system.
Additionally, your friend might be getting ripped off; there are bad schools of martial arts. Often these don't utilize sparring or training against a resisting opponent. Go up against a BJJ guy. You'll get wasted.
@themeanmachine84 ahahah :P oke :P ahah never heard of crap like that before first of all you dont know me so u dont know my 'strenght speed my training so dont be saying stupid stuff first of all ur friend is good at something 1 thing 1 dont be mistaken its good that he is good at 1 thing but its stil 1 thing trust me ur friend got nothing on me
@beratio - ok, so now that i know... i`ll say it again - we would destroy you in less then a minute. i don`t think that you ever saw a kyokushinkai fighter outside Japan... ;)
I hate to train with two handed fighters. They somehow think its ok after they get hit to stick there free blade that was nowhere in a kill zone into your ribs 2 seconds after they have been hit and you have stopped, because....It's over.
I recomend you to never stop "because it's over". Even if you get what you think is a good hit the person may live long enough to deliver another blow. Matt Galas describes it good in this article:
swordforum . com / forums / showthread.php?103131-Article-On-The-After-Blow
If you train to be able to retreat under cover after you deliver a blow you will also be a much better fencer. But sure, if it's way to late it's frustrating.
@gurkfisk89 If you get hit with a two handed sword your off hand is not going to continue onward toward your target. Obviously he didn't want to smash his friend in the face. You're right but these are blows after the fact and its bad habits for him.
Oh, I think that my post didn't come out as I planned. Of course I don't think that you shall never stop a bount. It's just that you don't stop immediately. For example at 1:24 in this video you see the longswordman get a good hit but he didn't do a clean protection. I think he may had cut that left arm of so it's no chanse that that cut to his stomac would be a problem. But if the longsword would get stuck to the shoulder bone or something then I think that both of them would be...
... in grave danger. If the bokken shoto guy would just stop when he was hit then I think that the longsword guy would not know that he was in danger doing that cut.
This all leads to what ifs and I don't really like that but I think that using the after blow from time to time in training is good for you. But sure, after getting a clean hit in the head you will not be able to do three fast steps and throw anyone to the ground.
@EvilDarkJackel It's meant to change stances according to your enemy, since some guards are better against other guards. And Germans, oh how they love to change guards.
@Caliburnis Their only problem is that they weight about 350g or something like that. They're fast as fuck, but break easily and don't give the same effect when hit. Of course it would hurt, I know.
This guys, doesn't know how to use the sword they just playing around just like bounce of kid. especialy a guys with katana there's no technique at all
it can go eather way in battle as far as i can tell because of the endless amount of variables in an actual battle and around you. on one hand if i am the samuri and i manage to get past your shield and get close enough iv got you open to many possibilities. yet, if im the knight if the samurai misses his beat then im cutting off his limbs befor that. each is efficent in its own area what is done with the options is up to the combatants and is a factor to be sure, as will as disarms and so on.
Nice but I think that the best white weapon ever is Polish cavalry hussar sabre from 1600’s!!! It is the best fencing weapon ever!!! sabre is too quick, look below how many cuts fencer can give to his opponent during fight in such short time, any other white weapon: long sword or katana can’t do the same.
@mst3k4evur Actually that would work very well. Presuming you have a round shield with a metal boss and a strut to hold it, you can just run up to your opponentand push your shield against his weapon. The shield will slide to the right or the left,completly blocking your enemys weapon while giving you an opening to stab.
@bansheemopar The problem is just that wherever he goes, my shield goes. As long as i can keep him crouded with my shield, he cannot do anything. And since my shield-arm is extended to the max, he will have a hard time getting around it to hit anything.
@bansheemopar But i really don't want to say it's a foolproof techniqe, because there is no such thing. But it is damn efficient, as it is easy and if you don't have a shield, it's hard to counter.
@BadMartini Well, it's arguable, of course, but I think as far as unarmored fighting goes, the sword is superior. Pollaxe, halberd etc. are for armored combat, when you're fixed in a formation.
The guy with the bokken/shoto is GOOD! He manages to pull off some kind of arm-flailing move out of Pirates of the Caribbean while he has a longsword through his head 0:08
Comparing western swordsmanship to eastern swordsmanship is like comparing Kung Fu (glorified disco dancing) to Pankration (ancient greek mma). One is real and effective, one is pseudo-mystic nonsense kept alive by nerdy teenagers and soccer moms, people who buy healing crystals and call Miss Cleo.
@Novantii Honestly, dude, MA's all over the world are the same when it comes to basics like strikes, kicks, throws etc. They just add a little bit of cultural flavour to it. Shure Kung Fu is a little overly traditionalised, but don't forget that Wing Chun and Jeet Kun do are also Kung fu or derivatives of it. Basics in Pankration and Kung fu are the same, one only focuses on getting to the enemy's weak spots, the other focuses on not giving the enemy a platform to work with. Which is better? IDK
asians outnumber every other race on the planet so katanas and shit will always be the "best swords". forget the fact that europe had swords similar to katanas..... 2,000 years before japan did and phased them out because they were totally obsolete and designed around early cheap metallurgy and unarmored opponents.
I see a few problems with this, (It may be my personal bias for katanas, but I don't care). The guy with the longsword was using more of a kendo style of fighting than a European style. It is just what I think, I am not too overly familiar with European style of swordsmanship. But, I personally think that in a real fight, the katana would win over a longsword because most of the weight of a katana is in the handle, so it is easy to recover from a swing while a longsword has almost all of the
@Mikanoes Weight focused in the blade. Much like a baseball bad, only heavier. It would be much more difficult to recover from a swing by a longsword than a katana. The speed of a katana I personally would win over the length of a longsword.
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I don't think you ever have hold a real longsword then. Because longswords often have a thinner blade that are more tapered and have a weighted pommel. So if it's any of these swords that have their weight focused in the handle it is the longsword.
This makes the longsword a bit poorer at cutting but gives you better point control which helps you when you in the thrust and recovery.
@gurkfisk89 I have held a Claymore, which is basically a large longsword. I have also held a katana, which had a lot of weight in the blade but a similiar amount of weight in the handle. Although a Claymore is more than a little bit bigger than a longsword, it has the same hasic construction and, from what I remember of several years ago, (I don't have the best memory), the claymore was much heavier in the blade than the handle.
I know there is a difference between a claymore and longsword.
Ok, my longsword has it's center of gravity just 5 cm from the cross guard and I have held longswords with much more hiltoriented balance than that so I was just a little surprised when you said that a longsword is blade heavy.
@Mikanoes Somehow i think a comparison between a katana and a claymore is hardly fair. I mean the claymore is what, twice the size of the katana? Anyways i think a claymore is for people who lack confidence in certain areas and thus have to get the longest biggest weapon they can barely handle.
@BadMartini I was not comparing the claymore to the katana, I was simply saying that the only thing I had experience with that resembled a londsword was a claymore. Plus, back in medieval days, the ones who wielded a claymore probably trained with it so they could handle it probably as well as a samurai could handle a katana. My main arguement was that the longsword is "blade heavy".
@Mikanoes I understand that. I was just using your comment to make a bad joke.
Claymores in general don't stand for what european blades where like. They where on the extreme end of the scale. Most european swords had a counterweight which put the center of gravity closer to the handle than a katana, which lacks a counterweight. But that too is just a trade off, because what a sword gains in manuverability, it looses in impact power. And it is easyer to displace a counterweighted sword.
@Mikanoes yes there is a differene between the 2 types of sword.... 1 is curved and only sharp on one side... the other is straight an sharp at both sides... that. is. it. ive held more than 20 katanas and more than 40-50-60 longsword, 2 handers and 1 handers of different styles and ages... in the end it comes down to craftmanship.. i have held shitty crap katanas that was nose heavy and longswords 10-20 centimeters longer with way better balance and vice versa.. dont base judgment on 1 sword..
@runethered Read my comment completely, don't skim it. I did not say that the katana and longsword were similiar, which makes one fourth of your comment null and void. Also, were the "shitty crap katanas" made in America? If there is one thing I have noticed about swords is that Americans know nothing about how to properly make them. So, if the crappy katana was made in America, I understand. Now, as for you holding so many swords, I envy you, but must ask, why?
@Mikanoes sorry about that. what i said was slightly sarcastic.. i know what you meant,, but the difference between swords are for every individual blade.. its impossible to say that katana are better than long sword or vice versa because some katanas are great and some are crap, and the same goes for longswords and what not.. the reason for trying so many different blades is simple. i reenact both medieval and viking and have friends that train ninjutsu another do kendo and collect crap katana
@Mikanoes i am not sure where he gets the katanas from but he has 20 something blades, most of which are useless.. only three of them are well balanced if i remeber correct.. to be fair he also have a complete crap long sword.. he likes to collect and hang on the walls.. army guy.. as an re-enacter i try out a lot of my friends blades and often look for new ones to add to the arsenal.. but even from the same swordsmith and with the same design there can be a big difference on individual blades
I see this is very interesting as the longsword has a much greater rach than the japanese ones, and the guy using them wins through the greater reach. basically would decapitate the other guy before he can get in close enough to strike.
ive been training for 12 years, yah they have a lot to learn but theyre not bad. and a-lot of the awkward shit youre seeing is them not wanting to injure eachother, and to swing 2 weapons at once is learning a new style all together, tricky. and there is no way someone without training could stand up these guys expecially if they didnt care to hurt u
Yes they have training, you see it on the video. Friendly sparring is training. Do they have a lot of training, maybe not. But you have to start somewhere.
If you were using the longsword two handed with the amount of power used in real combat, you wouldn't be able to parry the blow holding the shorter sword in one hand.
i already know if i had the bokken and shoto i would win but the stance was bad that he used i could take his lower body like his legs i would have one sword like he has it and one backwards
@onetwothreesteal235 funny that always ends with you getting "killed" with anyone ive ever fought/sparred with
volarion 1 week ago
@volarion What does? =O You mean the pointless weapon swinging? =3 Well...Yeah. In most cases it helps me against very cautious fighters. Though against quick people, I do get killed X_x
onetwothreesteal235 1 week ago
The way he treats his Shoto... my kendo teacher would give him hell ^^
BernardLeTocard 4 months ago
@BernardLeTocard It's hard...People say shoto/dagger is for killing only, others say its for defense, other says its for parrying...*shrug* There's many different ways in using it. There isn't a exact right or wrong...I think.
onetwothreesteal235 1 week ago
@onetwothreesteal235
No, I mean the way he throws it on the floor.
That's a good remark though, and I think that the shoto should be used for both attack and defense. The risk of using it for only one purpose is to fight in a defined and foreseeable scheme, which is usually fatal in combat.
BernardLeTocard 1 week ago
@BernardLeTocard Ahh, that! True true. X_x I've yet to be able to use both katana and shoto together well, like case-weapon fighting...It's haarrddd.
onetwothreesteal235 1 week ago
pls guys, use some face protection...even if you fight at 10% - accidents happen, especially with using wooden sword instead of flexible Fechtschwerts =)
mrcraftsmann 4 months ago 4
@mrcraftsmann Indeed. O_o I was part of a medievil fighting group, and when we trained helmless we made sure not strikes went above, or came from above shoulder height...These guys must be good, and trust one another well to do this.
onetwothreesteal235 1 week ago
@onetwothreesteal235
good or stupid ;)
but look, they are not really fighting. it`s more like kata with a partner. but even just practicing moves may be dangerous.
mrcraftsmann 1 week ago
@mrcraftsmann Lol, did I forget to mention when we train helmless we use real swords just blunted down? =D But you're right. >_< in any spar, training, ANYTHING can happen. One guy in my club got his front tooth chipped in training. Almost looks like a rats fang.
onetwothreesteal235 1 week ago
at 00:32 decapitation end of story longsword wins again
steamboatGriffin 4 months ago
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Without proper body armour, confrontations like this are always going to be too hesitant and not truly representative of either forms.
HohenStaufer 4 months ago
I'd like to say even though it doesn't play into any comment that the use of the other weapons of a samurai's arsenal weren't widely used until Miyomoto Musashi introduced Musashism which is to be equally good with all of your weapons.
Bismarckisawesome 4 months ago
Why all this weapon swinging?
And the man with the longsword holds it as if he is scared of it himself.
shohchkheh 4 months ago
@shohchkheh You'll be surprised when u hold a sword and go one on one how much you find pointless weapon swinging is helpful. It will, in most cases force your opponent to look at the blade, or move his eyes in direction u want. Its like a feint.
onetwothreesteal235 1 week ago
I'm sorry but I genuinely think real samurai would laugh their heads off for this. There a`re so many unnecessary movements, so much openings left unchecked or unscathed. Honestly. think about it. Would you genuinely think you'd have a chance while acting like this in a real battle? No, you'd be way more on guard, and if you're anywhere near experienced, you'd be calm, because all it takes is one good it and you've won.
Redspy27 5 months ago
@Redspy27 hehe, real japanes trained 24/7, and did not have to work and pay the bills. It's a pitty there's not many left.
xxzodiacxx01 5 months ago
@xxzodiacxx01 that kind of training mentality still lives on in other groups, and anyone can try to do it. military special ops spend the vast majority of their time training i believe.
eric21881 4 months ago
@eric21881 yes i know.... but it is "impossible" for a person to train like they used too (like, for example, trying the katanas with prissoners O.O), dueling to death. The military don't train with katanas :)
xxzodiacxx01 4 months ago
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@Redspy27 hehe, real japanes trained 24/7, and did not have to work and pay the bills. It's a pitty there's not many left.
xxzodiacxx01 5 months ago
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@Redspy27 hehe, real samurais didnt' have to work and pay the bills.... it's a pity we don't have many left
xxzodiacxx01 5 months ago
How long do you have to train to be at that level of expertise with the German Longsword?
Theatrefreak7 5 months ago
@Theatrefreak7
It's hard to say. I don't know what level of expertise he has. They don't have protection so he may hold back. It also depends on you, how fast you learn, your physique, if you have done any other martial art or similar, how much you train, if you have a good or bad teacher, or any teacher at all for that matter. I would guess about half a year to a year. But as I said, you may be this good in two weeks or it may take you five years.
gurkfisk89 5 months ago
A viking has armour he can depend on in the 9th century ,at that point the samurai are wearing leather and sea shells.
MrBuddydan 5 months ago
The thing I am curious about is why both fighters aren't wearing fencing helmets. Especially because a majority of the German longsword attacks aim at the neck/high shoulder. You can see the german longsword fighter finding it difficult to get a safe attack in.
ARooOnALoo 5 months ago
Weaboo woulda died every time :P
Jimkbbh 6 months ago
why so many dislikes???
volarion 6 months ago
@volarion cos the bokken and shoto guy looks like he has no idea what hes doing and the longsworder should have twatted him in the face many times but didnt therefore this spar was shit.
Carell117 5 months ago
@stevv18 Jaaa Soul Calibur he he
HerrHeinerich 6 months ago
nenazas, para empezar coge mal la espada... XDDDDD
rosabanksiae 6 months ago
C' mon split his bloody skull gogogogoooooooo
kill him
willemkets 6 months ago
never seen a guy wielding both katana and (tanto?) - very impressive
xxzodiacxx01 6 months ago
@xxzodiacxx01 Tanto it's the japanesse dagger. That's a wakizashi .
SlayerAddicted 5 months ago
@SlayerAddicted yes, u r right... i've been reading the "book of five rings" (something like that) and this is mentioned. Good work :)
xxzodiacxx01 5 months ago
ahahaha you guys look like your waving your swords around and danciing :p
dadtheogre 6 months ago
@dadtheogre Thats kinda the point these guys actually know what their doing a lot of dances in the middle ages were actually made to practice footwork for the longsword
hawkvectris 6 months ago
This is AT LEAST a hand and a half sword (aka bastard sword).
A "Longsword" can be easily wielded one-handed by an adult male but even though this guy is above-average sized, it would be a task for him to effectively wield it one-handed.
xavierspade666 7 months ago
@xavierspade666
"Longsword" is basically just another term for hand and a half sword or bastard sword.
HereTheArtBegins 7 months ago
@xavierspade666
ah...no. Longswords were specifically forged to be two handed weapons. They were typically between 45 to 47 inches in overall length. Hand and a half swords or bastard swords were similar, but tended to be a few inches shorter to make one handed use easier. The one handed sword you are describing is called an arming sword.
SirKickz 7 months ago
this is an ok video these guys are training and trying to improve like all martial artists so why so many dislikes
l3054 7 months ago 9
@l3054 cause idiotic people wants to see stupid flips and tricks like LOTR and Bleach. =( Sadly, until one actually holds a sword and fights, they don't know what real, hand to hand, contact sword fightings like.
onetwothreesteal235 1 week ago
I love the hockey gloves, kinda makes you think an Ultimate Sword Fighter is around the corner.
psychedashell 7 months ago
longsword wins, imo. He clearly won the first two bouts, and in the other bouts i can piece together he had the upper hand all-in-all
KralleCR 7 months ago
0:13 is billierant. The 2-swords-guy woundn't be moving after that strike to his head.
Welther47 7 months ago
@Welther47 after every "kill" the person who was hit raised his hand... they're not doing one fight, but multiple
albpoolshark 7 months ago
These fruits are just banging their wooden toys together. WTF is this?
dricard365 8 months ago
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@dricard365 "WTF is this?"
@danimaldanimal360 "What am i watching?"
This is a friendly sparring match without protection except gloves. Because they don't have any masks and other protective gear and use wooden training weapons, you don't see any hard hits.
gurkfisk89 8 months ago
@dricard365
It's called sparing, and wooden toys? These are training weapons, and the can still do serious damage.
MVGkaiser 8 months ago
What am i watching?
danimaldanimal360 8 months ago
clowns
tomasfgt 8 months ago
these guys are fuckin clowns no skills
kcpalooza 8 months ago
They way this guy is moving the wooden longsword leads me to thing that either he sucks, or the wooden longsword is horribly blade-heavy.
Altonahk 9 months ago
@Altonahk
Wooden wasters tends to be very blade-heavy. The blade have to be very thick so that the blade doesn't break and the pommel isn't big enought to counterbalance that. Also, remember that these guys don't have any protection so they can't fight as they would with protection.
gurkfisk89 9 months ago
@gurkfisk89 I would disagree highly. If you want good wasters that are much closer the the real long swords, get them from Raven’s studios or New Stirling Arms. They make the best Wasters. It also all depends on the waster as well. Many Long swords and Wasters are also tapered to have a nice blade as well for better at thrusting… Also the German Long sword are very nice, and feels great. You guys must thinking about the the Hand and Halfs? Some hand and halfs are a bit tip heavy...
xxTeutonicKnightxx 8 months ago
@xxTeutonicKnightxx
I totally agree that it depends on the waster. But the ones that I have hold they all was very blade beavy.
What do you mean when you say a german longsword isn't a hand and half? Sure some longswords are easier to use one handed than others but I don't thing any of them are true two handed weapons or true one handed ones so I would throw nearly all of them the hand and half category.
gurkfisk89 8 months ago
yeah, yeah, keep on trollin` in the free world... ;) adios amigo.
themeanmachine84 9 months ago
Once he shifts to bokken only, he's much better.
JohannVF 9 months ago
Looks to me like the man with the bokken pays no attention to the amount of force a strike from Vom Tag would generate, and idly blocks it with his off-hand to set up his own thrust.
JohannVF 9 months ago
ahahahahha what a bunch of losers watched to many japanese shit ahaha looks really nerdish wow sad people
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio
Is this more sad than a bunch of people running on a field, kicking a ball of leather?
gurkfisk89 9 months ago
@gurkfisk89 yes however i hate soccer its stil more intresting then this these guys actualy think they are doing something for real :P funny
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio
I don't see anyone actually thinking they're doing something for real. Could you elaborate?
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@HereTheArtBegins u must see their facial expressions ? and how they are standing like they are true warriors thats truly really poor there:P
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio
You've never engaged in physically strenuous activities before, have you? Your expression will change based upon how physically strenuous the activity is. Try lifting something heavy. Your expression will change. Does that mean you think you're an olympic athlete?
Additionally, if you're sparring, you need to assume stances. It's not a matter of choice; if you don't, you'll get hit. Simple as that.
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@HereTheArtBegins u need a stand orelse u get hit ??? ahhah wow then u must suck i trrain allot u dont know what i have done if you would u would have change ur opion
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio
Or, I actually know about sparring. Why do you think /all/ forms of martial arts utilize stances? Hm? Because they're pretty? No, because they're fundamental aspects of combat; they're basically essential to pulling off many techniques and they're essential to defense.
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@beratio
I would challenge you to show me one form of sword or weapon art which does not make use of stances. Can you show me any?
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@HereTheArtBegins dude im making fun of them what makes you think i do this kind of crap ? its fighting not how to stand ur not gonna win in a streetfight with stances believe that
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio
And I'm saying, your criticism is stupid and shows more that /you/ don't know what you're talking about than anything else.
Stances are an essential component of any hand to hand fighting system. Look at them all. Do any of them have you standing outside of a ready position? Even modern hand to hand systems utilize some sort of ready stance, like Krav Maga, Sambo, and BJJ.
Even knowing how to stand is important, because if you're not standing correctly, you'll be off balance.
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@beratio
Here, watch this. It's Brazilian Jiu-jitsu for beginners.
watch?v=4CI6OERTgv8
Have fun. Learn something.
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@HereTheArtBegins learn how to stand are you kidding me ? if u need a stand then ur no fighter
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio
People usually aren't fighters when they're first learning martial arts. Did you think everyone was born with this knowledge ingrained? No, they have to be taught. Even if you have an intuitive sense, it has to be refined.
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@HereTheArtBegins u either have it or you dont it shows
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio
Even if you "have it" you still need to be refined. No one automatically knows how to fight well; they have to be trained.
Why do you think every martial arts system in the world starts with how to assume an appropriate stance?
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@HereTheArtBegins look u can train all you want if u dont have it u wil never beat the other guy who wil do some training
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio
And even if you "have it" you will still have to be trained from the most basic skills to the most advanced. Aptitude only makes it easier for you to learn those.
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@HereTheArtBegins i know that a friend of mine does kungfu all of those stances for 3 or 4 years training and nothing he is weak he cant defend himself i with only cardio and muscle training kick his ass easyly
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio
Stances aren't the end of training. They're the beginning. Additionally, your friend might just suck. This doesn't mean that learning stances is useless; it's the first part of any combat system.
Additionally, your friend might be getting ripped off; there are bad schools of martial arts. Often these don't utilize sparring or training against a resisting opponent. Go up against a BJJ guy. You'll get wasted.
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@HereTheArtBegins i can go who i want and i wil win no matter what
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio
That's what a lot of people in the past thought, shortly before becoming dead..
HereTheArtBegins 9 months ago
@beratio
Why don't you then get in to some competition? If you will win no matter what without training then you can make some easy money.
gurkfisk89 9 months ago
@gurkfisk89 thats what people used ....used in the past now im the future
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio - my friend is a kyokushinkai sensei now... he would destroy you with one hand, trust me on that.
themeanmachine84 9 months ago
@themeanmachine84 ahahah :P oke :P ahah never heard of crap like that before first of all you dont know me so u dont know my 'strenght speed my training so dont be saying stupid stuff first of all ur friend is good at something 1 thing 1 dont be mistaken its good that he is good at 1 thing but its stil 1 thing trust me ur friend got nothing on me
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio - well tell me then, what kind of training DO you have? come on, suprise me, please.
themeanmachine84 9 months ago
@themeanmachine84 :P me im a crazy mtf who wil rip his head off if neccecary that my training
beratio 9 months ago
@themeanmachine84 plus i trained 4 years muscle and speed fast and slow twitch fibers young and know what to do sparred allot
beratio 9 months ago
@beratio - ok, so now that i know... i`ll say it again - we would destroy you in less then a minute. i don`t think that you ever saw a kyokushinkai fighter outside Japan... ;)
themeanmachine84 9 months ago
@themeanmachine84 i dont have to say it again i know what wil happen me the one beeing the winner and thats that. period.
beratio 9 months ago
ihr seid wirlich echt gut... hab den kanal sofort abboniert ;)
XxRockItHardcorexX 9 months ago
I hate to train with two handed fighters. They somehow think its ok after they get hit to stick there free blade that was nowhere in a kill zone into your ribs 2 seconds after they have been hit and you have stopped, because....It's over.
Gratch2222 10 months ago
@Gratch2222
I recomend you to never stop "because it's over". Even if you get what you think is a good hit the person may live long enough to deliver another blow. Matt Galas describes it good in this article:
swordforum . com / forums / showthread.php?103131-Article-On-The-After-Blow
If you train to be able to retreat under cover after you deliver a blow you will also be a much better fencer. But sure, if it's way to late it's frustrating.
gurkfisk89 10 months ago
@gurkfisk89 If you get hit with a two handed sword your off hand is not going to continue onward toward your target. Obviously he didn't want to smash his friend in the face. You're right but these are blows after the fact and its bad habits for him.
Gratch2222 10 months ago
@Gratch2222
Oh, I think that my post didn't come out as I planned. Of course I don't think that you shall never stop a bount. It's just that you don't stop immediately. For example at 1:24 in this video you see the longswordman get a good hit but he didn't do a clean protection. I think he may had cut that left arm of so it's no chanse that that cut to his stomac would be a problem. But if the longsword would get stuck to the shoulder bone or something then I think that both of them would be...
gurkfisk89 9 months ago
@Gratch2222
... in grave danger. If the bokken shoto guy would just stop when he was hit then I think that the longsword guy would not know that he was in danger doing that cut.
This all leads to what ifs and I don't really like that but I think that using the after blow from time to time in training is good for you. But sure, after getting a clean hit in the head you will not be able to do three fast steps and throw anyone to the ground.
gurkfisk89 9 months ago
Are those hockey gloves?
JamesHaskin 10 months ago
super anzusehen :)
wasabiich 10 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel It's meant to change stances according to your enemy, since some guards are better against other guards. And Germans, oh how they love to change guards.
DiabolusIgnis 10 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel And a longsword doesn't have a proper handle? Get real. You can hold 4 hands on one handle.
DiabolusIgnis 10 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel
When you carve a length of wood into a certain shape and then handle it like a sword, what do you get? A wooden sword.
Caliburnis 10 months ago
@Caliburnis Their only problem is that they weight about 350g or something like that. They're fast as fuck, but break easily and don't give the same effect when hit. Of course it would hurt, I know.
DiabolusIgnis 10 months ago
they are very bad at swords fighting ... really ...
tekkaman1911 10 months ago
stupid men
ninjaFAMAS 11 months ago
@ninjaFAMAS Stupid you.
DiabolusIgnis 10 months ago
fukl u cunts look so gay
tangipai 11 months ago
This guys, doesn't know how to use the sword they just playing around just like bounce of kid. especialy a guys with katana there's no technique at all
TheCadazt 11 months ago
If the guy using the longsword knew how to trap, no one in that group would be able to beat him.
Griffon83 11 months ago
it can go eather way in battle as far as i can tell because of the endless amount of variables in an actual battle and around you. on one hand if i am the samuri and i manage to get past your shield and get close enough iv got you open to many possibilities. yet, if im the knight if the samurai misses his beat then im cutting off his limbs befor that. each is efficent in its own area what is done with the options is up to the combatants and is a factor to be sure, as will as disarms and so on.
RiftMaharaja 1 year ago
Are they actually fighting? Theres so much pointless fluttery movements of their weapons....
tubester101we 1 year ago
Nice but I think that the best white weapon ever is Polish cavalry hussar sabre from 1600’s!!! It is the best fencing weapon ever!!! sabre is too quick, look below how many cuts fencer can give to his opponent during fight in such short time, any other white weapon: long sword or katana can’t do the same.
look here:
/watch?v=pHP4pSQvbxk
/watch?v=oo0z_R59P8M
/watch?v=n6IcZnx1flI
/watch?v=voxErBJyFuw
GregorMar 1 year ago
why does it seem like people with 2 weapons are more aggressive then people with one?
nightslayer78 1 year ago
only way to beat a long sword is to get close and fast with a shield and try to throw the guy off balance then stab the shit out of him :)
dithyramb956 1 year ago
@dithyramb956
That would never work! And the fact the Romans used that tactic to conquer millions proves nothing! ;)
mst3k4evur 1 year ago
@mst3k4evur lol so you know who i was referring to :)
dithyramb956 1 year ago
@mst3k4evur Actually that would work very well. Presuming you have a round shield with a metal boss and a strut to hold it, you can just run up to your opponentand push your shield against his weapon. The shield will slide to the right or the left,completly blocking your enemys weapon while giving you an opening to stab.
BadMartini 1 year ago
@BadMartini
I know it would work, I was being facetious.
mst3k4evur 1 year ago
@mst3k4evur i see what you did there
BadMartini 1 year ago
@BadMartini : This does not work against someone who has some skill.
He will not hesitate and let you do this.
He will start moving around or back and try hitting with his longer range around your shield.
You therefore cannot use your weapon while you hold your shield forwards and have to open a gap to do so.
The most important thing in fencing is keeping a constant threat with the point of your weapon on the enemy.
Not waving around your blade.
Battles are a totally differnet from fencing.
bansheemopar 1 year ago
@bansheemopar The problem is just that wherever he goes, my shield goes. As long as i can keep him crouded with my shield, he cannot do anything. And since my shield-arm is extended to the max, he will have a hard time getting around it to hit anything.
BadMartini 1 year ago
@bansheemopar But i really don't want to say it's a foolproof techniqe, because there is no such thing. But it is damn efficient, as it is easy and if you don't have a shield, it's hard to counter.
BadMartini 1 year ago
Seems like they had fun tho, And thats the whole point.
Vulspire 1 year ago
Longsword FTW
xtcarnage15586 1 year ago
Longsword owns evry thing!
ThorgalsWalhalla 1 year ago
@ThorgalsWalhalla Halbert. That's all i'm saying, Halbert. Or yari if you are into that stuff.
BadMartini 1 year ago
@BadMartini well i love the Halbert! (maybe thats because i am from swiss ^^) but you can`t realy compare to a Longsword.. (bastardsword)
ThorgalsWalhalla 1 year ago
@BadMartini Well, it's arguable, of course, but I think as far as unarmored fighting goes, the sword is superior. Pollaxe, halberd etc. are for armored combat, when you're fixed in a formation.
Ranziel1 1 year ago
this is AWSOME, wish there was a dojo where i lived.
Banminator 1 year ago
THRUST, greatsword man!
Lachdenan 1 year ago
The guy with the bokken/shoto is GOOD! He manages to pull off some kind of arm-flailing move out of Pirates of the Caribbean while he has a longsword through his head 0:08
onotadaki 1 year ago
This is Thrand!!!!!
Great Video !!!!!!!!1
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
Comparing western swordsmanship to eastern swordsmanship is like comparing Kung Fu (glorified disco dancing) to Pankration (ancient greek mma). One is real and effective, one is pseudo-mystic nonsense kept alive by nerdy teenagers and soccer moms, people who buy healing crystals and call Miss Cleo.
Novantii 1 year ago
@Novantii Honestly, dude, MA's all over the world are the same when it comes to basics like strikes, kicks, throws etc. They just add a little bit of cultural flavour to it. Shure Kung Fu is a little overly traditionalised, but don't forget that Wing Chun and Jeet Kun do are also Kung fu or derivatives of it. Basics in Pankration and Kung fu are the same, one only focuses on getting to the enemy's weak spots, the other focuses on not giving the enemy a platform to work with. Which is better? IDK
BadMartini 1 year ago
asians outnumber every other race on the planet so katanas and shit will always be the "best swords". forget the fact that europe had swords similar to katanas..... 2,000 years before japan did and phased them out because they were totally obsolete and designed around early cheap metallurgy and unarmored opponents.
Novantii 1 year ago
剣道は素晴らしいスポーツです。日本の武士道です。
SKYSKYSKY1192 1 year ago
I see a few problems with this, (It may be my personal bias for katanas, but I don't care). The guy with the longsword was using more of a kendo style of fighting than a European style. It is just what I think, I am not too overly familiar with European style of swordsmanship. But, I personally think that in a real fight, the katana would win over a longsword because most of the weight of a katana is in the handle, so it is easy to recover from a swing while a longsword has almost all of the
Mikanoes 1 year ago
@Mikanoes Weight focused in the blade. Much like a baseball bad, only heavier. It would be much more difficult to recover from a swing by a longsword than a katana. The speed of a katana I personally would win over the length of a longsword.
P.S.
They really need to allow more space for comments.
Mikanoes 1 year ago
@Mikanoes
I don't think you ever have hold a real longsword then. Because longswords often have a thinner blade that are more tapered and have a weighted pommel. So if it's any of these swords that have their weight focused in the handle it is the longsword.
This makes the longsword a bit poorer at cutting but gives you better point control which helps you when you in the thrust and recovery.
gurkfisk89 1 year ago
@gurkfisk89 I have held a Claymore, which is basically a large longsword. I have also held a katana, which had a lot of weight in the blade but a similiar amount of weight in the handle. Although a Claymore is more than a little bit bigger than a longsword, it has the same hasic construction and, from what I remember of several years ago, (I don't have the best memory), the claymore was much heavier in the blade than the handle.
I know there is a difference between a claymore and longsword.
Mikanoes 1 year ago
@Mikanoes
Ok, my longsword has it's center of gravity just 5 cm from the cross guard and I have held longswords with much more hiltoriented balance than that so I was just a little surprised when you said that a longsword is blade heavy.
gurkfisk89 1 year ago
@Mikanoes Somehow i think a comparison between a katana and a claymore is hardly fair. I mean the claymore is what, twice the size of the katana? Anyways i think a claymore is for people who lack confidence in certain areas and thus have to get the longest biggest weapon they can barely handle.
BadMartini 1 year ago
@BadMartini Well, nowadays, perhaps. I doubt highlanders had problems with manliness. They wore kilts. Those guys were manly men.
Ranziel1 1 year ago
@Ranziel1 I know i just can't withstand to make this comparison once in a while. I mean someone has to, right?
BadMartini 1 year ago
@BadMartini I was not comparing the claymore to the katana, I was simply saying that the only thing I had experience with that resembled a londsword was a claymore. Plus, back in medieval days, the ones who wielded a claymore probably trained with it so they could handle it probably as well as a samurai could handle a katana. My main arguement was that the longsword is "blade heavy".
Mikanoes 1 year ago
@Mikanoes I understand that. I was just using your comment to make a bad joke.
Claymores in general don't stand for what european blades where like. They where on the extreme end of the scale. Most european swords had a counterweight which put the center of gravity closer to the handle than a katana, which lacks a counterweight. But that too is just a trade off, because what a sword gains in manuverability, it looses in impact power. And it is easyer to displace a counterweighted sword.
BadMartini 1 year ago 6
@Mikanoes yes there is a differene between the 2 types of sword.... 1 is curved and only sharp on one side... the other is straight an sharp at both sides... that. is. it. ive held more than 20 katanas and more than 40-50-60 longsword, 2 handers and 1 handers of different styles and ages... in the end it comes down to craftmanship.. i have held shitty crap katanas that was nose heavy and longswords 10-20 centimeters longer with way better balance and vice versa.. dont base judgment on 1 sword..
runethered 1 year ago
@runethered Read my comment completely, don't skim it. I did not say that the katana and longsword were similiar, which makes one fourth of your comment null and void. Also, were the "shitty crap katanas" made in America? If there is one thing I have noticed about swords is that Americans know nothing about how to properly make them. So, if the crappy katana was made in America, I understand. Now, as for you holding so many swords, I envy you, but must ask, why?
Mikanoes 1 year ago
@Mikanoes sorry about that. what i said was slightly sarcastic.. i know what you meant,, but the difference between swords are for every individual blade.. its impossible to say that katana are better than long sword or vice versa because some katanas are great and some are crap, and the same goes for longswords and what not.. the reason for trying so many different blades is simple. i reenact both medieval and viking and have friends that train ninjutsu another do kendo and collect crap katana
runethered 1 year ago
@Mikanoes i am not sure where he gets the katanas from but he has 20 something blades, most of which are useless.. only three of them are well balanced if i remeber correct.. to be fair he also have a complete crap long sword.. he likes to collect and hang on the walls.. army guy.. as an re-enacter i try out a lot of my friends blades and often look for new ones to add to the arsenal.. but even from the same swordsmith and with the same design there can be a big difference on individual blades
runethered 1 year ago
I see this is very interesting as the longsword has a much greater rach than the japanese ones, and the guy using them wins through the greater reach. basically would decapitate the other guy before he can get in close enough to strike.
stevethegecko 1 year ago
couldn't the German Long Swordman just sweep the other guys legs?
shneerttom 1 year ago
@shneerttom yes.
GoGoVengo 1 year ago
ive been training for 12 years, yah they have a lot to learn but theyre not bad. and a-lot of the awkward shit youre seeing is them not wanting to injure eachother, and to swing 2 weapons at once is learning a new style all together, tricky. and there is no way someone without training could stand up these guys expecially if they didnt care to hurt u
shawnbuck85 1 year ago
thw guy with the longsword is the same guy of Kendo vs escrima, so he know the movements of his opponent.
daviddipan 1 year ago
Are they using their own styles?
WeaponSamurai 1 year ago
Omg.... looks like two kids in the age of 5.
H4RDSTYL34L1V3 1 year ago
I'm sorry to say this... are u sure u have any training? it doesnt look very much to me forgive me if i insulted u
jung567 1 year ago
@jung567
Yes they have training, you see it on the video. Friendly sparring is training. Do they have a lot of training, maybe not. But you have to start somewhere.
gurkfisk89 1 year ago
@gurkfisk89 yea, but... you know the rise of bullshit these days made me... u know... suspicious?
jung567 1 year ago
@jung567
why don´t you turn up, maybe with H4RDSTYL34 in your back and show us, how the cooky grumbles. You're welcome !
FUCKHEADS - get off your keyboards, join us in the Arena, and let´s talk thereafter.
Thank you.
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zukuru 1 year ago
@zukuru -__- sorry i didnt mean to hurt any one though. -__-
jung567 1 year ago
@zukuru but whats h4rdstyl34?
jung567 1 year ago
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@jung567
h4rdstyl34 was the one who said:
"Omg.... looks like two kids in the age of 5."
gurkfisk89 1 year ago
Musashi vs William Wallace. Great sportsmanship, guys!
arcanemuses 1 year ago
If you were using the longsword two handed with the amount of power used in real combat, you wouldn't be able to parry the blow holding the shorter sword in one hand.
RedcoatT 1 year ago
Two sword weilder needs more practice. Looks more like an eskrima stance and bearing.
Saitohkiyohiru 1 year ago
i already know if i had the bokken and shoto i would win but the stance was bad that he used i could take his lower body like his legs i would have one sword like he has it and one backwards
reaper9541 1 year ago
whys it look like you have hulk hands? lol
waddupnoob 1 year ago
@waddupnoob padded gloves. a wooden sword to the hand can EASILY break fingers
lockbreak12 1 year ago