Aha. To ban and persecute, to not let people decide for themselves, as the only way to achieve world peace (because no fight in the world is based on something else, like desire for money, land, power)...great argument :/
This video is double standard. I'm an ex christian and trust me those of who are ex christians will tell you plentiful of terrorist activities occurred because of the bible including slavery and raping virgins then making them your wife which is legal under christian doctrine. Was Breivik a christian? Yes he is just like Osama was a muslim however it's clear attacks are not carried out because to spread religion but for political reasoning.
Bin Laden at least strongly believed in Islam, while Breivik doesn't do so in Christianity. Crucial point...I'd assume that not believing in Christianity counts as not being a Christian. By Breivik's definition - cultural Christian - pretty much every European would be a Christian. Well, I'm European and I know way more Atheists or Agnostics than Christians. Some cultural influence doesn't make you member of a faith.
As a fellow atheist I strongly disagree. Breivik was a patriot christian wanting christianity to flourish throughout Europe thus Knight Templer emblems and taking Richard the Lion heart as his mentor. Hitler’s influence by christianity was also similar as video footages show.
I never heard of cultural christianity but if that's the case surely Osama is culturally muslim as he racially deployed only arabs and wanted US military base out of Saudi but not other muslim countries.
You never heard of "Cultural Christianity"? Maybe you should watch the videos you're writing comments to... ;-)
For Hitler - just no. Hitler was very much for Socio-Darwinsim, what might be about the opposite of Christianity. There were also attempts by the Nazis to replace or rename Christian symbols (I study Cultural Sciences in Germany, we had quite some stuff in that direction). We can tell from people around Hitler how much he condemned Christian morals.
By Breivik's definition, also agnostics and atheists are "cultural" Christians -> 3:43 . So you are one? For sure Dawkins is, Harris is, Hitchens was, Atkins...now, if someone of these does something bad, was it a Christian? Of course not.
The whole argument is irrelevant anyways as long as Jesus didn't tell us to do such things as Breivik did, and of course he didn't tell us to do so. He told us to love our enemies.
Breivik is certainly not a Christian, but used Christianity/Christendom in Europe as a way to persuade as many people as possible into a cultural strong union. The actual point is Christianity and its cultural factors are mere strategic means he uses for telling Europeans they're solidly united -regardless of their believing in God- and encouraging hatred for Islam -in light of what he perceives as Islam's domination of Europe-. Christian or not, the core topic is what issues led to his ideas.
Looks like Breivik was a cultural zealot who denied knowing Jesus Christ. I think Breivik's words in this report proves that he was no believer in Jesus. I would like to see your assertion that McVeigh was an agnostic, proven in similar manner. I think that would remove a slanderous cloud off of those who are forgiven of their sins by faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ, who is raised from the dead and seated at the right hand of God, God Blessed forever!
Of course he is a Christian, this is what Christians do. They say they are kind and gentle and then they proceed to shoot everyone who doesn't agree with them.
This should be the church's slogan:
Christianity - causing war, death and discrimination since 1 AD.
I'm absolutely atheist and all, but when it comes to respecting Christianity as the cultural background of Europe, I do agree with Breivik and held these beliefs long before he was known
When the attacks happened and the media kept claiming he was a fundamentalist Christian, I initially mildly believed it and checked his manifesto myself, and got to the same conclusion as you did: he isn't Christian, and the media as usual simply loves blaming mean Christians.
@Kaugee someone who says i am buddist or hindus or christian then he is... stop acting like fools... he said it and that is enough... who are u who say this or that... and i thank Allah azza wajjal to show christians that even within your group are people who have take the cloth of that religion...
@sunnahproduction But what you don't understand is that, especially in Christianity, saying that you are a Christian and being a Christian is two seperate things. You can say that you are a Christian all you want, but that doesn't make you Christian. The ONLY way to count as a Christian is to believe in the works on the cross by Christ: That he took our sins upon himself and died and rose again. Anders didn't believe this, and hence he's not a Christian.
@LikeOLikeHInYourGut Again, did you read the manifesto? If you did, how then can you be so sure that Anders is a Christian, especially in biblical terms? He said it, clearly, that he ONLY believes in Christianity (even that doesn't make you a Christian. Strange, huh?) as a cultural phenomena, NOT in Christ for salvation. Look at 07:11.
Speaking in biblical terms, neither Joseph, George (as he is more a Christian in denial more than a bad person) nor Anders is Christian.
@Kinonym Christian terrorism? Where? How? You mean the Catholic Church in the dark-ages? Their main goal was to persecute and kill Christians. The Catholic Church was and still is the biggest threat to Christianity.
But I guess you didn't mean that. So what Christian terrorism do you suggest to mean?
@PirateXzibit LOL what do you call the war that is going on right now. Americans are the Christian terrorists of this age. We are in Iraq because of religion weather you like it or not. If you don't think we are terrorists, then tell me what the other sides uniform looks like. I know I have never seen it; we are not killing solders, we are killing civilians. MUSLIM civilians.
@LikeOLikeHInYourGut Does being oppositional to Muslims make you a Christian? I don't think so.
Before I was saved by Christ, I hated Muslims so much (I have a Muslim background). But after I was saved I just couldn't hate other people, my hate for Islam grew instead and for all the other religions that lead people astray. Finally, I see all people as valuable human beings.
Ohhhh, so you are saying your are just not a normal Christian, I get it. So I guess you were in full support of the gay marriage legalization in NY this year.
@LikeOLikeHInYourGut I am NOT in support for gay-marriage. Do you think that is rooted in my hate towards people? What does that have to with anything?
You are blurting out logical fallacies - strawmans.
@PirateXzibit I am just revealing the hypocrisy in the statement that Christians don't hate people. I always hear "I hate the sin, not the person" - Ohhhh right, I forgot about that excuse. Next time I want to commit a hate crime and try to take away people's rights, I am going to use that one. You are a bigot.
@LikeOLikeHInYourGut I am sorry that you cannot distinguish between someone's actions and the person behind it. Being gay might not be a choice, but having intercourse with someone of the same gender is.
I am condemning Adolf Hitler's actions, but I cannot condemn him because he was a human being. Do you see where my stance is?
It was not christanity that drove Breiviks to his actions, For example the Irish republic army had real fundamentalist christians who commit terroist attacks but they were not done because or motivied by christanity they were motitived by nationalism and indpenace from the uk, What drove Breivik to his action´s was a response to muslim flooding europe, not because of christanity
Muslims kill in the name of islam, The few christian terroists that have been around were motivated by other things
You are doing the same things muslims do when there is a terrorist attack deny that person was a muslim, even though the evidence clearly indicates he was a muslim. You are falling into the no true Scottman case. And to Breivik you might not be a Christian.
@slicingwater To me, you are a muslim, by my personal definition - even though you may not believe in Mohammed or Quran or anything like that. I hereby also personally define you as a "terrorist" even though you haven't killed anyone :)
Anders was a Christian he mentions it enough in his manifesto, Hitler was also a Christian. Little does this matter though as the world is not made up of violent lunatics.
A Chistan which this man was not , is obeient to Christ, hence the term "one who follows Christ ! " He did not ! HIS words here>> Luke 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, "Do violence to no man", neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. The answer to "what is a Christian"?
@Packerd01 naive? what about being a rational, fair and secular? i think i'll stick to being a person who bases his views and opinions on reasoned and unbiased discussion.
SO... by your reasoning we shouldn't allow germans in our society becaue they might be Nazies planning to overthrow our government and make the Arian race the supreme race? Im sorry... but your insane connections and associations with alligations that have no relevance makes no logical argument.
@Packerd01 Being an atheist doesn't relive you of having to make your case on a rational basis. Which you have not. Islamic radicals are dangerous, and therefore they should not be included in a secular society. However, not all muslims are "radical" not all muslims murder, rape and try to create a landskape so hostile that everyone lives in fear. On that basis i will say that there is hope for people who value the life of a human... and we should include those who do NO MATTER THE RELIGION!
he's just a pissed off right wing man,fed up seeing his country getting filled up with islamic immigration, and who let islam enter? Leftists scumbags, that's why he targeted them.
I don't condone his act by I really really understand him.
Did you watch the video? He said that Breivik is no Christian because he, well, just doesn't believe in Christianity. I guess that counts as not being a Christian? He didn't do it because of Christian teachings. He thinks the European culture, which has some roots in Christianity, is good.
The Muslim terrorists (I wouldn't go so far to blame Islam for all of them - but Muhammad's Sunnah gave a "good" basis for violence) a very strong believers and know Islam in and out.
So I guess, yes, there's a difference between a Christian(?) terrorist who describes himself as not believing in Christianity and could gave you know basis from Jesus at all for what he was doing and a Muslim terrorist who could quote you guide some ayas and Sahih-Hadiths for what he is doing.
Even if you don't like both religions - stay fair and don't make it all too easy. There's a difference between loving and slaughtering your enemies in teaching.
Centuries ago the high priests didn't have any personal relationship with Jesus or God. They were the co authors of the bible itself and they probably saw the church as a handy tool for gaining money, control and power. All they had to do was tell the people some nice stories about Jesus. The difference with Breivik is their anti scientific views and their lust for political power.
Where are you going with this? The priests were no Christians or Breivik is just a moderate?
Acts17Apologetics you sure answered the question about if he was a christian or not. Here in Scandinavia Christianity virtually don´t exist. The "get present on crismas eve" -version ins not only practiced by virtually all of the population, also virtual all of the non Muslim immigrants, and ethem some of the moderate Muslim immigrants to (mostly the bostnians)
But just a extreme minority visit church. So Scandinavian press say he is a Right wing terrorist, not a christian. So, is he?
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So the guy in the video admits that the Norway Bomber, used Christianity to unite a regional people on a platform they can all share, thus ruling out the fact that he "isn't a Christian, when in fact the same exact idea should be attributed for the so called Muslims who kill and terrorize innocent people based off of intolerance and minor differences. This guy in the video's smugness, like he figured it all out, is annoying as shit. I just want to cut his stupid ass bangs or whatever that is
Oh please, the only reason there aren't American Christian/Catholic based attacks, killings and bombings is because America has not been invaded since the revolutionary war. I guarantee if Mexico, decided they wanted a part California, and much of Texas, which WAS an original border for Mexico, Texans and Tea Party nuts would be invoking god, killing, and Michelle Bachmann would be preaching crazy shit about bringing more sheep to the flock, and it would be exactly like the middle east.
@tobleronasahliv So much hate for no factual evidence at all, your personal interpretations via Glenn Beck and or basing my stance on what crazy Abdul yelled in his backyard to kill David Letterman the Jew, even though he clearly isn't Jewish. Which of my posts has you so full of blind hatred?Make a claim to know about me based off your own prejudice, did I ever say Buddhist anything. This video is about Christians supposedly not ever bombing or killing people in the name of God which is FALSE.
@tobleronasahliv And you don't have to go around calling people names to try and get you point across. It often comes looking like a desperate attempt to at least get a cheap shot in when your biased, widely off topic rant is supposed to, what, make me feel different about Christians? I never said anything bad about them, just clarifying that they aren't so perfect and have had serious genocides done in the name of God on the Christain/Catholic side as well. Must burn you up inside
What about the IRA? They are the old forgotten posterboys for Christian and Catholic terrorists. If America was invaded by Mexico, and the North Koreans gave Mexico tons of guns and tanks and cool new helicopters. Not only world there be thousands of "american made terrorist attacks" but religious nutjobs from the south would be invoking God during battle with the Mexicans. Would you think Americans are terrorists? Psss, that whole foreign tag-team is based off our involvement in middle east
Maybe you guys forgot about the "Crusades against Muslims" powerpoint youtube video he made vullifing the Crusades and how there is a need for a modern day crusade and other wacky shit. Yeah that wasn't Christian orientated at all.......You guys on youtube and in general spin shit around so you can sleep at night and ignore the truth in plane site because your whole world is based off the ability to wrongly discriminate. Yall forget the IRA? They were THE Christian/Catholic terrorists way back
"There is no shame in praying minutes before your death. I highly recommend that you, prior to the operation, visit a Church and perform the Eucharist. As we know, this ritual represents the final meal that Jesus Christ shared with his disciples before his arrest and eventual crucifixion. You should also solve any issues you might have with God and ask for forgiveness for past sins. Finally, ask him to prepare for the arrival of a martyr for the Church."
@smoothlockman ...he said "As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings." So clearly, he's not a Christian..........not a fundamentalist one anyway as the media has portrayed him. That sort of statement is consistent with the liberal churches that opposed fundamentalism in the late 19th and early 20th century (and for that matter still today).
I agree that Anders Behring Breivik is not a fundamentalist.
Anders was called "fundamentalist" because of the mistaken belief that any violent Christian is a fundamentalist. In fact most Christian fundamentalists are not violent, and it is possible for a "non-fundamentalist Christians" to be violent. In other words; he is an extremist AND a Christian, but he isn't an extremist Christian.
I agree that Anders Behring Breivik is not a fundamentalist.
Anders was called "fundamentalist" because of the mistaken belief that any violent Christian is a fundamentalist. In fact most Christian fundamentalists are not violent, and it is possible for a "non-fundamentalist Christians" to be violent. In other words; he is an extremist AND a Christian, but he isn't an extremist Christian.
@smoothlockman The test of someone being a true Christian or not is NOT their profession.They can claim they're Christian all the day long, but if the new birth has not occured within them, they are not Christian.So how can we tell if this new birth has taken place?The whole epistle of 1 John was written for this purpose and gives several tests to us to see if we have eternal life.One such reality in a true Christian's life will be a pattern of walking in the light.Did Anders exhibit this?
This a classic case of a "no TRUE Scotsman fallacy". It is impossible to tell who is a "true Christian". Most catholics would say that mother Teresa was a true Christian. Ian Paisley would say she was of the devil. You will ever agree on a definition of who is a TRUE Christian that everyone can agree upon. Anders Breivik says that what he was doing was self-defense, and argued that the Bible allowed for this. He believed that what he did was necessary.
@smoothlockman This is actally why we need the Bible to be our only authoirty on this issue, it's not up to personal interpretation, but what the scriptures themsleves say about what a true Christian is.Again, the whole epistale of 1 John was written for this very purpose.Jesus said that not everyone who called him "Lord, Lord" will enter eternal life, but only those who do the will of the Father-only those who truly believe and thus will truly follow after Jesus Christ.
Breivik believes that he has done a good act. He says that he thinks that the labor party is in league with Islamists to destroy western civilization, and that people will thank him for his actions once they realize this. The bible is silent about the Norwegian laborparty as well as Islam, so your conclusion that he is wrong can't be based on the bible.
@smoothlockman it doesnt have to say anything reguarding to two, for God's commands are clear principals in all our life affairs.For example, Breivik might believe he has done a good act, but Jesus said to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, murder is clearly condemned in the Bible.If we're not even allowed to hate our enemies but only love and do good to them, what makes anyone think we have the right to kill them? Jesus never fought back when injustice was done to him.
He cites the bible many time in justification for the attacks. see his chapter "The Bible and self-defence" , "More information about Christianity and self-defence".
he cites: Exodus 22:2, Samuel 25:13, Judges 5:8, Psalms 144:1, Luke 22:36, Matthew 26:52-54, Nehemiah 4:17-18, James 4:7, Leviticus 26:3, Daniel 11:32, 1 Corinthians 4:20, 2 Corinthians 12:12, Psalm 18:32,37, Proverbs 24:10, Exodus 15:3,6, Isaiah 42:13, Isaiah 52:12, Deuteronomy 9:3, Deuteronomy 33:27, Genesis 12:3 and much more.
"Religion: Christian, Protestant but I support a reformation of Protestantism leading to it being absorbed by Catholisism......
Religious: I went from moderately to agnostic to moderately religious"
He thinks that God will help him with the mission:
"If you are operating under a full surrender with God the Father ....... then the next thing you will need to fully realise is that God will now anoint you with His power if you are forced to go into battle with your enemy."
Most Muslims don't agree with the bombings done around the world in the name of god. Innocent people are killed in the name of god every day it seems and you would think differently if your country was under occupation with a bunch of nations creating lines and displacing people, making a new city where others used to live.But it's cool that's what America is about. It's what we did to the Native Americans. Many Cathlics/Christians committed genocide to Native Americans.
It took me about 5 minutes of research when the attack happened to see that he wasn't a Christian doing it or justifying it in the name of Christianity. You're talking to a brick wall making a reasonable and logical video explaining that. These idiots have no cop-on. Just look at the post below me.
I guess Breivik was just a bigot who hate other cultures. probably wasn't a christian, he probably was just using religion as a justification for his action, but he was definitely far right-winged as most Far right-winged people are against immigration and integration. I hope one day we can live in peace with each other. every great leader, including Jesus, MLK, Gandhi, etc. solved problems without violence, guns and genocide. we should follow in their footsteps
@congalala6777 There are two things those people on your list have in common. The first, they preach peace. The second, they were all murdered. That's a nice, feel-good idea, but I think people should prefer being ready and capable of defending themselves against aggressive and violent dangers, no matter their origins. In fact, I know that's best for all people. Bigot or not, I imagine Breivik wanted to know why multiculturalism and the problems it caused was imposed upon his people and culture.
"Far-Right" is like being called "Witch". The evidence it's simple, there is not a single far-left regime (Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Modern China and Vietnam), which Tolerate gays, have open borders or "free speech".
Communists/Far-lefties train their kids to use weapons, be always patriotic... compare them to Capitalist americans - brainwashed, retarded, nihilistic and filed with apathy
@DanishGreatDane I agree that far leftist/communist train their kids to use weapons. but when you look at all of the far right wingers, especially in America, they do the same thing. we have groups like the NRA and other home grown private militias that promotes War, Religion, weaker gun control, nationalism and the death penalty. most republicans are NRA members and they love to go hunting with their kids. Conservatives support the idea of having guns in schools and the general public
@DanishGreatDane I rather live in a country where people have rights and freedom. unlike cuba. I rather live in a world free of oppression, where people can express themselves freely without being stoned to death. I also believe in regulations to a certain extent, for example, I want stricter gun laws, but that's about it. I don't like police states, they are very mean and oppressive like the Nazis. true Liberals (NOT communist) are open minded. And I am not a pig, I am a human being like u
@congalala6777 A world devoid of oppression cannot exist. For as long as people can impose their will upon others, oppression will continue, in one form or another, to some degree or another. Such ideals are impractical and impossible to achieve, even with institutionalized brainwashing, people will continue to use and abuse others. Regulations are oppressive, by design. It's a fantasy world, a utopia you desire and such cannot exist, by law of nature, if nothing else.
@VirikNavarro U have a good point, what u r saying is true. Its the classic example of yin&yang. however when i speak of oppression Im really referring to the most extreme form of oppression like Slave Labor and Genocide. Technically, u can call regulations a form of oppression, but I don't think regulations like stoping at a red light is equivalent to Mass extermination of an entire people. Breivik has the same mentality as Hitler. we can live in a world without crime to that extent.
@congalala6777 I see. You've packaged your form of oppression so nicely that most should agree with it and why not? It's a feel-good ideal that intends to eliminate the most extreme dangers you and most others face. Unfortunately, those are the most immediate dangers people face, not the most extreme. The most extreme dangers people face are natural and cataclysmic. I do believe your form of oppression fails to strike the proper balance between nicety and necessity.
@SmieshNorway Killing innocent people is forbidden in Islam with many verses stating that unless they are the fighters of an enemy confronting you or planning to attack you and kill you. Women and children are to be spared but by your rhetoric Muslims shouldn't be blamed for the bombings of all those innocent people but they are. The 3 common verses in the Quran saying to "slay them" were referring to people trying to kill you or people trying to drive you out of your homes.
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Hmmm. Interesting. Brevik is seeming to make the same case for Christianity that Spinoza made for Judaism back in the Enlightenment, insisting it was more of a socio-ethnic identification than a faith.
I think the faith can be distilled into a distinct culture based on the values it promotes, however taking one without the other is problematic at best.
I'm sorry, but has no one heard of the Crusades? Just because modern Christians are generally less openly aggressive doesn't mean it is a "religion of peace" and Islam a "religion of war".
@TheGr8H8 if you knew anything you would know that the crusades were about defending the holy land from the muslims. don't they teach kids anything in school anymore or do they just let you surf the net?
@TheGr8H8 The Crusades were a REaction to 400 years of violent Jihad during which Islam edged ever closer to Europe. I know this isn't taught in school because it's not politically correct but it's true. Islam is an ideology of war (in the guise of a religion) - none other than Karl Marx noted that "Islam ostracizes the infidel nation and creates a state of permanent hostility between Muslims and infidels" referring to the subjugation of 'dar la-harb' by 'dar al-Islam' as ordered in the Koran.
And while we are on topic - educate yourself on the (ultimately unsuccessful) Muslim conquest of the Indian Subcontinent which cost some 80 MILLION Hindus their lives. And look into the history of 1300 years of Islamic slavery/genocide in Africa which has cost close to 20 MILLION black Africans their lives (and still goes on today in Darfur). Senegalese anthropologist Tidiane N´Diaye wrote a book titled 'The Veiled Genocide' about it; this TV report ---> watch?v=o07PSCBKHGU goes along with it.
I'm wondering if anyone thinks that averting our eyes from Muslim "terrorist" culture is a good way to deal with the problem. I do know that calling Christian cultural values the problem is NOT the solution.
Your smug attitude makes you sound like a ass. The facts are your christian God has got 2,000 years or more on Islam. So your God has killed way more people,and if you think Christians are such great people you need a history lesson bad.
Islam has killed 270 million. Communist China is in 2nd place with 77 million. Together, they dwarf all other religions combined (even if you add the crusades and inquisition). It is not that Christianity has calmed down because if its age. It is the difference between the orthodox teachings. Islam has been violent from the start. It's prophet was a warrior. Jesus commanded people to love their enemies. Muhammad simply killed them. That's the difference.
@ogunitracy You got some good numbers,but communism is not a religion. We don't exactly know the numbers of people the biblical God has caused the death of. Jesus is not God,or is he considered to be in all abarhamic religions. The fact is that the 2,000 ,or so years before Jesus your god was the same murderous God as Allah in all reality they are the same God. If you don't believe me read a Quran its all stolen from the bible.
Not all of the Qur'an is stolen from the Bible and even what is stolen wasn't stolen well. However, there is a difference between violence in the Bible and Qur'an. The violence in the Bible was against specific people at specific times and for specific reasons. That is why, as you can see, the violence has stopped. The Qur'an, however, simply tells Muslims to fight unbelievers until religion is only for Allah. That is why the violence will never stop.
@ogunitracy I read somewhere in the bible i assume in the OT. The same verse that is in the Quran. A order from God to kill the unbelievers. As a matter of fact that's what Christians did for 1,000s of years. Just how do you steal something well? Think about this if there were no Christians,Jews,or Catholics than we would not have Muslims. So its your fault not mine so quite complaining when one of your boys does something wrong
Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah."
If you can find a parallel to that in the Bible, you will have won this debate. The only times Christians fought for years were during the crusades, and it was a response to Muslim invasion. There is no such command to subjugate or forcibly convert in the old or new testament.
it is not the fault of Christians, Jews or Catholics that Muhammad was mad. It is his fault alone.
@ogunitracy You forgot to count the Native Americans killed by Christians and the church that was very controlling and abusive of it's people, and the land and territory it determined to conquer. America sits on the bones of millions of Native Americans you happen to forget about, while chiming in on the other millions of deaths you bring up to wrongly fuel a petty argument about statistics. The history of Islam, they actually were completely peaceful until after they were driven out of Mecca
To the best of my knowledge, Muslims were never driven out of Mecca. They are still there now, aren't they? You may count everyone killed by Christians and Islam will still dwarf it. Islam has killed millions. Those lives are still precious to God and that's where the catch come in. The Bible teaches us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us (Luke 6:27,28). It is in the Quran that people are commanded to kill until religion is only for Allah (Quran (8:39))
@ogunitracy Well to the best of your knowledge obviously means very little because the Muslims were driven out of Mecca to Medina, then they returned and reclaimed their homes which was where the passages about "slay them where they stand" the Islamaphobes quote day in and out out of context which, came about because prior to that the Muslims took a passive stance because murder was a major sin, but to be able to defend ones home and killing in "self defense" all becomes something god will judge
@ogunitracy MY POINT is that how many more lives does a side have to have killed to make it worse than the other? So your little pointless tally MIGHT come up with a higher result. Gee wiz well it's not as much as the Muslims so we are just peachy as a religion. BOTH religions have had leaders take advantage of their followers and for you to single one religion out to fuel your petty argument is totally distasteful and disrespectful to the millions murdered whom you mention without any sweat
Whatever dude you can switch up the words in verses or summerize to fuel your argument. Not even in the mood to get the verses explaining relations of coexisting with other faiths, which is inevitable. Unlike Christians who claimed they are the representatives of the supreme rulers and yada yada. Don't give me that bullshit oh those lives are all precious. You seemed to not care about it when speaking earlier because your negative tone enveloped your argument with NO respect of the dead.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Whatever verses you can provide, they cannot remove that verse from the Quran but feel free to try.
@ogunitracy Guess what, Allah means god so really, I believe the quote is directed towards true non believers, like Soviet Union, Russians Chinease, the Koreans dont believe in god. If those godless people should be stopped if they ever decide to fight or invade a god fearing nation. (Muslims and Christians and others). And when they say fight, they dont mean go out and fight people just because they are different. Catholics and Christians fuck Ireland to this day with religious "dues".
@ogunitracy And the payment thing, or I think Jizya is, like a tax similar to the church. The difference is that the people are allowed to have their own religion, but the land or whatever belongs to the Muslims but they were protected and it's the same shit Christianity and Catholics did, and continue to do to this day. This was some type of practice for post war territory establishment, like the post war procedure not what some dummy can invoke in his backyard like the idiot"KILL LETTERMAN!
@FishDontBlinq By kill Letterman I mean what the fellow calling on all Muslims to kill Letterman for his remarks about some Al-Quida leader. I mean come on am I supposed to take that guy seriously, as a Muslim? Do you guys really think I am answering the "so called" call to Muslims to kill David Letterman? Well if so then I hope you enjoy Glen Becks internet show when he is off the air. You'll love all the facts he has for you. You guys are truly lacking the real knowledge about what you hate
Who is talking about the jizya? I'm talking about the command to fight people.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Whatever verses you can provide, they cannot remove that verse from the Quran
@ogunitracy The command isn't to just "fight people". It's not to go around to be like hey, what do you believe in? Oh really? It's just like what I believe in but you call him God and We call him Allah? Ok, then bam I fight you. Get a clue. When they are talking about fighting they are speaking on when confronted by an enemy in fight. An enemy would be someone trying or planning to take your life, someone who is falsely persecuting you while being completed innocent,
@ogunitracy Language barrier doesn't truly show the fact that the sentence structure is at times like a run on sentence. When they talked of killing the people who do not believe in Allah, it was to be connected with the previous string of descriptions of the type of person who may invade or try to kill you, but do what you must to defend your life, especially from those who do not believe in god. (Worked great for confronting the Russians, with AMERICAS money, training, manipulation of course
And believe me I would say about 90% or more of the Muslims believe and live by my translation of what is already a translation of an old, unchanged language or religion, and not your watered down FAUX NEWS version of the translation of that verse. Guess what, in a crowd of 1000 or more peaceful calm Muslims and 1 of them is yelling some crazy, anti tolerance bull crap, and the rest are chilling, who are you going to notice? Who is going to get on fox news and other newspaper article
@ogunitracy You know, I say tomatoe, you say Muslims are trying to behead me because they hate freedom..... yeah that's what they're so hot about. Pull your head out of your own ass once in a while, if you really seek the knowledge go talk to a real person. Ask a person at a Muslim mosque how you feel? They will be honest and they will not be in any way discriminative like what the news corporations have you all thinking. It's astonishing how easy it was for the gov to fuck all your minds up
@ogunitracy You are switching your words now to try to validate a pointless arguement based on what you think the translation, from a foreign language which you know nothing about. It dosn't ever say "Non Muslims, and the defination of "non believers" are wide and varied friend but you I am sure you will just run with whatever Glenn Beck or the crazy extremist who represent less than 1% of the religion. But I'm sure listening to the lunatic is the only way for you to sleep at night. Sleep tight
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
That verse must mean 'love unbelievers and treat them well.'
18,508 Islamic terrorist attacks to 1 "Christian" attack by a "Christian" who does not believe in God or Jesus. Yeah...
soCernunnos 3 days ago
No, Hes a muslim
Gamehackero 3 days ago
"Is Anders Behring Breivik a Christian?" Yes.
armandlluka 1 week ago
@armandlluka A Christian European Hero for our race and heritage
PeriferiaSud90 1 week ago
All religions are dangerous. All religions should be banned, persecuted and ridiculed! It's the only way to achieve world peace.
neshereagle 3 weeks ago
@neshereagle
Aha. To ban and persecute, to not let people decide for themselves, as the only way to achieve world peace (because no fight in the world is based on something else, like desire for money, land, power)...great argument :/
mawa89g 2 weeks ago
This video is double standard. I'm an ex christian and trust me those of who are ex christians will tell you plentiful of terrorist activities occurred because of the bible including slavery and raping virgins then making them your wife which is legal under christian doctrine. Was Breivik a christian? Yes he is just like Osama was a muslim however it's clear attacks are not carried out because to spread religion but for political reasoning.
AlkalineZ3 3 weeks ago
@AlkalineZ3
Bin Laden at least strongly believed in Islam, while Breivik doesn't do so in Christianity. Crucial point...I'd assume that not believing in Christianity counts as not being a Christian. By Breivik's definition - cultural Christian - pretty much every European would be a Christian. Well, I'm European and I know way more Atheists or Agnostics than Christians. Some cultural influence doesn't make you member of a faith.
mawa89g 2 weeks ago
@mawa89g
As a fellow atheist I strongly disagree. Breivik was a patriot christian wanting christianity to flourish throughout Europe thus Knight Templer emblems and taking Richard the Lion heart as his mentor. Hitler’s influence by christianity was also similar as video footages show.
I never heard of cultural christianity but if that's the case surely Osama is culturally muslim as he racially deployed only arabs and wanted US military base out of Saudi but not other muslim countries.
AlkalineZ3 2 weeks ago
@AlkalineZ3
You never heard of "Cultural Christianity"? Maybe you should watch the videos you're writing comments to... ;-)
For Hitler - just no. Hitler was very much for Socio-Darwinsim, what might be about the opposite of Christianity. There were also attempts by the Nazis to replace or rename Christian symbols (I study Cultural Sciences in Germany, we had quite some stuff in that direction). We can tell from people around Hitler how much he condemned Christian morals.
mawa89g 2 weeks ago
@AlkalineZ3
By Breivik's definition, also agnostics and atheists are "cultural" Christians -> 3:43 . So you are one? For sure Dawkins is, Harris is, Hitchens was, Atkins...now, if someone of these does something bad, was it a Christian? Of course not.
The whole argument is irrelevant anyways as long as Jesus didn't tell us to do such things as Breivik did, and of course he didn't tell us to do so. He told us to love our enemies.
mawa89g 2 weeks ago
hahahahahah he was christian nut case like you Zionist dog looool. 911 was inside job moron
HerroHerrar 3 weeks ago
Breivik is certainly not a Christian, but used Christianity/Christendom in Europe as a way to persuade as many people as possible into a cultural strong union. The actual point is Christianity and its cultural factors are mere strategic means he uses for telling Europeans they're solidly united -regardless of their believing in God- and encouraging hatred for Islam -in light of what he perceives as Islam's domination of Europe-. Christian or not, the core topic is what issues led to his ideas.
hagarenzx 1 month ago
Looks like Breivik was a cultural zealot who denied knowing Jesus Christ. I think Breivik's words in this report proves that he was no believer in Jesus. I would like to see your assertion that McVeigh was an agnostic, proven in similar manner. I think that would remove a slanderous cloud off of those who are forgiven of their sins by faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ, who is raised from the dead and seated at the right hand of God, God Blessed forever!
JeremyHuckins 2 months ago
Well, there certainly is one thing Breivik and McVeigh have in common with Islamic terrorists, they all killed Christians.
dancinkindofguy 3 months ago
Of course he is a Christian, this is what Christians do. They say they are kind and gentle and then they proceed to shoot everyone who doesn't agree with them.
This should be the church's slogan:
Christianity - causing war, death and discrimination since 1 AD.
LikeOLikeHInYourGut 3 months ago
Breivik is a Zionist sympathizer as well as a psycho killer I missed your condemnation of his atrocious acts.
RPenta 3 months ago
I'm absolutely atheist and all, but when it comes to respecting Christianity as the cultural background of Europe, I do agree with Breivik and held these beliefs long before he was known
When the attacks happened and the media kept claiming he was a fundamentalist Christian, I initially mildly believed it and checked his manifesto myself, and got to the same conclusion as you did: he isn't Christian, and the media as usual simply loves blaming mean Christians.
Great video. Well done.
Wotanraven 3 months ago
Yes,there's nothing is agnosticism or atheism that sanctions terrorism.
BUT,there;s also nothing in agnosticism or atheism that prohibits terrorism.
When an atheist commits a crime...Nothing & no one can beat him.
Greatest Mass Rape in History = atheist red army
Greates Mass Murderers = atheist Stalin & Mao
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Breivik is as christian as Dawkins.Both refer to themselves as cultural christians
Breivik is an atheist.
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Breivik was and is 100% christian
sunnahproduction 3 months ago
@sunnahproduction You didn't watch the video nor read the manifesto, did you?
Kaugee 3 months ago
@Kaugee someone who says i am buddist or hindus or christian then he is... stop acting like fools... he said it and that is enough... who are u who say this or that... and i thank Allah azza wajjal to show christians that even within your group are people who have take the cloth of that religion...
sunnahproduction 3 months ago
@sunnahproduction But what you don't understand is that, especially in Christianity, saying that you are a Christian and being a Christian is two seperate things. You can say that you are a Christian all you want, but that doesn't make you Christian. The ONLY way to count as a Christian is to believe in the works on the cross by Christ: That he took our sins upon himself and died and rose again. Anders didn't believe this, and hence he's not a Christian.
Kaugee 3 months ago
@Kaugee I am pretty sure he believes that. The same way Joseph Kony or George Bush believes it.
LikeOLikeHInYourGut 3 months ago
@LikeOLikeHInYourGut Again, did you read the manifesto? If you did, how then can you be so sure that Anders is a Christian, especially in biblical terms? He said it, clearly, that he ONLY believes in Christianity (even that doesn't make you a Christian. Strange, huh?) as a cultural phenomena, NOT in Christ for salvation. Look at 07:11.
Speaking in biblical terms, neither Joseph, George (as he is more a Christian in denial more than a bad person) nor Anders is Christian.
Kaugee 3 months ago
Breivik was inspired by anti-Muslim propaganda sources like yourself. Oops.
Many more people have been killed by Christian terrorism and Islamic terrorism every century since both religions have been around. Oops.
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@Kinonym Christian terrorism? Where? How? You mean the Catholic Church in the dark-ages? Their main goal was to persecute and kill Christians. The Catholic Church was and still is the biggest threat to Christianity.
But I guess you didn't mean that. So what Christian terrorism do you suggest to mean?
PirateXzibit 3 months ago
@PirateXzibit LOL what do you call the war that is going on right now. Americans are the Christian terrorists of this age. We are in Iraq because of religion weather you like it or not. If you don't think we are terrorists, then tell me what the other sides uniform looks like. I know I have never seen it; we are not killing solders, we are killing civilians. MUSLIM civilians.
LikeOLikeHInYourGut 3 months ago
@LikeOLikeHInYourGut Does being oppositional to Muslims make you a Christian? I don't think so.
Before I was saved by Christ, I hated Muslims so much (I have a Muslim background). But after I was saved I just couldn't hate other people, my hate for Islam grew instead and for all the other religions that lead people astray. Finally, I see all people as valuable human beings.
PirateXzibit 3 months ago
@PirateXzibit Right, so now you just hate gay people? Makes sense.
LikeOLikeHInYourGut 3 months ago
@LikeOLikeHInYourGut What? Are you serious? If you read my comment I said that my hate for people has been thrown out the window.
PirateXzibit 3 months ago
@PirateXzibit
Ohhhh, so you are saying your are just not a normal Christian, I get it. So I guess you were in full support of the gay marriage legalization in NY this year.
LikeOLikeHInYourGut 3 months ago
@LikeOLikeHInYourGut I am NOT in support for gay-marriage. Do you think that is rooted in my hate towards people? What does that have to with anything?
You are blurting out logical fallacies - strawmans.
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@PirateXzibit I am just revealing the hypocrisy in the statement that Christians don't hate people. I always hear "I hate the sin, not the person" - Ohhhh right, I forgot about that excuse. Next time I want to commit a hate crime and try to take away people's rights, I am going to use that one. You are a bigot.
LikeOLikeHInYourGut 3 months ago
@LikeOLikeHInYourGut I am sorry that you cannot distinguish between someone's actions and the person behind it. Being gay might not be a choice, but having intercourse with someone of the same gender is.
I am condemning Adolf Hitler's actions, but I cannot condemn him because he was a human being. Do you see where my stance is?
PirateXzibit 3 months ago
Just so we can be clear, Timothy McVeigh wasn't a Muslim now, was he?
hamzah938 4 months ago
great video!!
MSALLADLACIENCIA 4 months ago
Very good video, and very interesting.
Juancaferlo 4 months ago
Very reasonable. Provided David fairly cites the sources, rock solid argument.
drfreebird777 4 months ago
"Terrorist proclaimed himself 'Darwinian,' not 'Christian'
Norwegian's manifesto shows Breivik not religious, having no personal faith" Google it.
benthemiester 5 months ago
This video is fail.
MegaRoFLL 5 months ago
@MegaRoFLL Agreed!
SnafuFrank 4 months ago
Acts17Apologetics,
Thanks for clarifying such a poorly/dishonestly reported issue.
MetaMetaphysician 5 months ago
I bett of the every verse on the bible...fuck you.
donatshabani 5 months ago
It was not christanity that drove Breiviks to his actions, For example the Irish republic army had real fundamentalist christians who commit terroist attacks but they were not done because or motivied by christanity they were motitived by nationalism and indpenace from the uk, What drove Breivik to his action´s was a response to muslim flooding europe, not because of christanity
Muslims kill in the name of islam, The few christian terroists that have been around were motivated by other things
Wtfgames 6 months ago
You are doing the same things muslims do when there is a terrorist attack deny that person was a muslim, even though the evidence clearly indicates he was a muslim. You are falling into the no true Scottman case. And to Breivik you might not be a Christian.
slicingwater 6 months ago
@slicingwater To me, you are a muslim, by my personal definition - even though you may not believe in Mohammed or Quran or anything like that. I hereby also personally define you as a "terrorist" even though you haven't killed anyone :)
Jesrael1986M 5 months ago
Anders was a Christian he mentions it enough in his manifesto, Hitler was also a Christian. Little does this matter though as the world is not made up of violent lunatics.
nabiabram 6 months ago
A Chistan which this man was not , is obeient to Christ, hence the term "one who follows Christ ! " He did not ! HIS words here>> Luke 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, "Do violence to no man", neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. The answer to "what is a Christian"?
buddo1999 6 months ago
@Packerd01 naive? what about being a rational, fair and secular? i think i'll stick to being a person who bases his views and opinions on reasoned and unbiased discussion.
SO... by your reasoning we shouldn't allow germans in our society becaue they might be Nazies planning to overthrow our government and make the Arian race the supreme race? Im sorry... but your insane connections and associations with alligations that have no relevance makes no logical argument.
prowled 6 months ago
@Packerd01 Being an atheist doesn't relive you of having to make your case on a rational basis. Which you have not. Islamic radicals are dangerous, and therefore they should not be included in a secular society. However, not all muslims are "radical" not all muslims murder, rape and try to create a landskape so hostile that everyone lives in fear. On that basis i will say that there is hope for people who value the life of a human... and we should include those who do NO MATTER THE RELIGION!
prowled 6 months ago
Even if a muslim radical bombs him/herself in a suicide mission and murders or wounds anyone... he/she is STILL a muslim, that never changes.
If a christian radical bombs him/herself in a suicide mission and murders or wounds anyone... he/she is STILL a christian, that never changes
debating what is a TRUE Christian, True Muslim is arguing from the "no true scotsman falacy", and is therefore invalid.
Anders is a Christian.
prowled 6 months ago
Justiciar Knights arise!
volvo145 6 months ago
hes a christain alrite.
lebronjamesXD 6 months ago
he's just a pissed off right wing man,fed up seeing his country getting filled up with islamic immigration, and who let islam enter? Leftists scumbags, that's why he targeted them.
I don't condone his act by I really really understand him.
missberetta2 6 months ago
Ah I get it: when a Christian goes ona mass-murdering spree, he's NOT a Christian.
BUT is a Muslim murders some people, it is 100% because he's a Muslim.
Talk about irrational double standards.
OrthodoxDarwinist 6 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist
Did you watch the video? He said that Breivik is no Christian because he, well, just doesn't believe in Christianity. I guess that counts as not being a Christian? He didn't do it because of Christian teachings. He thinks the European culture, which has some roots in Christianity, is good.
The Muslim terrorists (I wouldn't go so far to blame Islam for all of them - but Muhammad's Sunnah gave a "good" basis for violence) a very strong believers and know Islam in and out.
mawa89g 6 months ago 3
@mawa89g he's claerly a moron who does not listen to reason.
Bestideasyet 6 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist
So I guess, yes, there's a difference between a Christian(?) terrorist who describes himself as not believing in Christianity and could gave you know basis from Jesus at all for what he was doing and a Muslim terrorist who could quote you guide some ayas and Sahih-Hadiths for what he is doing.
Even if you don't like both religions - stay fair and don't make it all too easy. There's a difference between loving and slaughtering your enemies in teaching.
mawa89g 6 months ago
@Acts17Apologetics
Centuries ago the high priests didn't have any personal relationship with Jesus or God. They were the co authors of the bible itself and they probably saw the church as a handy tool for gaining money, control and power. All they had to do was tell the people some nice stories about Jesus. The difference with Breivik is their anti scientific views and their lust for political power.
Where are you going with this? The priests were no Christians or Breivik is just a moderate?
sftw009 6 months ago
great video, sir
beautifulcatalinas 6 months ago
Outstanding.
ZivEstVeritas 6 months ago
Acts17Apologetics you sure answered the question about if he was a christian or not. Here in Scandinavia Christianity virtually don´t exist. The "get present on crismas eve" -version ins not only practiced by virtually all of the population, also virtual all of the non Muslim immigrants, and ethem some of the moderate Muslim immigrants to (mostly the bostnians)
But just a extreme minority visit church. So Scandinavian press say he is a Right wing terrorist, not a christian. So, is he?
matsv201 6 months ago
6:30 he claims he is a martyr for the church.
a martyr.
for the church of christianity.
does this not imply that a major factor for his decision in carrying out the attacks was because of his christian beliefs
dgabbless 6 months ago
so in short he is a Christian extremist right?
pluz93 6 months ago
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brokenjwtimemachinwa 6 months ago
So the guy in the video admits that the Norway Bomber, used Christianity to unite a regional people on a platform they can all share, thus ruling out the fact that he "isn't a Christian, when in fact the same exact idea should be attributed for the so called Muslims who kill and terrorize innocent people based off of intolerance and minor differences. This guy in the video's smugness, like he figured it all out, is annoying as shit. I just want to cut his stupid ass bangs or whatever that is
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
Oh please, the only reason there aren't American Christian/Catholic based attacks, killings and bombings is because America has not been invaded since the revolutionary war. I guarantee if Mexico, decided they wanted a part California, and much of Texas, which WAS an original border for Mexico, Texans and Tea Party nuts would be invoking god, killing, and Michelle Bachmann would be preaching crazy shit about bringing more sheep to the flock, and it would be exactly like the middle east.
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@FishDontBlinq So where are the tibetan buddhist sucide bombers? Not pious enough? Not occupied enough? Not mistreated enough?
You sir is a stupid brainwashed cultural marxist without connection with reality.
tobleronasahliv 6 months ago
@tobleronasahliv So much hate for no factual evidence at all, your personal interpretations via Glenn Beck and or basing my stance on what crazy Abdul yelled in his backyard to kill David Letterman the Jew, even though he clearly isn't Jewish. Which of my posts has you so full of blind hatred?Make a claim to know about me based off your own prejudice, did I ever say Buddhist anything. This video is about Christians supposedly not ever bombing or killing people in the name of God which is FALSE.
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@tobleronasahliv And you don't have to go around calling people names to try and get you point across. It often comes looking like a desperate attempt to at least get a cheap shot in when your biased, widely off topic rant is supposed to, what, make me feel different about Christians? I never said anything bad about them, just clarifying that they aren't so perfect and have had serious genocides done in the name of God on the Christain/Catholic side as well. Must burn you up inside
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
What about the IRA? They are the old forgotten posterboys for Christian and Catholic terrorists. If America was invaded by Mexico, and the North Koreans gave Mexico tons of guns and tanks and cool new helicopters. Not only world there be thousands of "american made terrorist attacks" but religious nutjobs from the south would be invoking God during battle with the Mexicans. Would you think Americans are terrorists? Psss, that whole foreign tag-team is based off our involvement in middle east
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
Maybe you guys forgot about the "Crusades against Muslims" powerpoint youtube video he made vullifing the Crusades and how there is a need for a modern day crusade and other wacky shit. Yeah that wasn't Christian orientated at all.......You guys on youtube and in general spin shit around so you can sleep at night and ignore the truth in plane site because your whole world is based off the ability to wrongly discriminate. Yall forget the IRA? They were THE Christian/Catholic terrorists way back
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
Why does it matter if his christian or Muslim he fucking killed more then 80 people now put a bullet on his head.
ZRGuillermo 6 months ago
Anders says:
"There is no shame in praying minutes before your death. I highly recommend that you, prior to the operation, visit a Church and perform the Eucharist. As we know, this ritual represents the final meal that Jesus Christ shared with his disciples before his arrest and eventual crucifixion. You should also solve any issues you might have with God and ask for forgiveness for past sins. Finally, ask him to prepare for the arrival of a martyr for the Church."
Clearly he is a Christian.
smoothlockman 6 months ago
@smoothlockman ...he said "As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings." So clearly, he's not a Christian..........not a fundamentalist one anyway as the media has portrayed him. That sort of statement is consistent with the liberal churches that opposed fundamentalism in the late 19th and early 20th century (and for that matter still today).
2274brian 6 months ago
@2274brian
I agree that Anders Behring Breivik is not a fundamentalist.
Anders was called "fundamentalist" because of the mistaken belief that any violent Christian is a fundamentalist. In fact most Christian fundamentalists are not violent, and it is possible for a "non-fundamentalist Christians" to be violent. In other words; he is an extremist AND a Christian, but he isn't an extremist Christian.
smoothlockman 6 months ago
@2274brian
I agree that Anders Behring Breivik is not a fundamentalist.
Anders was called "fundamentalist" because of the mistaken belief that any violent Christian is a fundamentalist. In fact most Christian fundamentalists are not violent, and it is possible for a "non-fundamentalist Christians" to be violent. In other words; he is an extremist AND a Christian, but he isn't an extremist Christian.
smoothlockman 6 months ago
@smoothlockman The test of someone being a true Christian or not is NOT their profession.They can claim they're Christian all the day long, but if the new birth has not occured within them, they are not Christian.So how can we tell if this new birth has taken place?The whole epistle of 1 John was written for this purpose and gives several tests to us to see if we have eternal life.One such reality in a true Christian's life will be a pattern of walking in the light.Did Anders exhibit this?
GodLovesUs100 6 months ago
@GodLovesUs100
This a classic case of a "no TRUE Scotsman fallacy". It is impossible to tell who is a "true Christian". Most catholics would say that mother Teresa was a true Christian. Ian Paisley would say she was of the devil. You will ever agree on a definition of who is a TRUE Christian that everyone can agree upon. Anders Breivik says that what he was doing was self-defense, and argued that the Bible allowed for this. He believed that what he did was necessary.
smoothlockman 6 months ago
@smoothlockman This is actally why we need the Bible to be our only authoirty on this issue, it's not up to personal interpretation, but what the scriptures themsleves say about what a true Christian is.Again, the whole epistale of 1 John was written for this very purpose.Jesus said that not everyone who called him "Lord, Lord" will enter eternal life, but only those who do the will of the Father-only those who truly believe and thus will truly follow after Jesus Christ.
GodLovesUs100 6 months ago
@GodLovesUs100
Do you think it is possible that Breivik is a true believer and you are not?
If not; how do you know?
smoothlockman 5 months ago
@smoothlockman the book of 1 John is how i know.
GodLovesUs100 5 months ago
@GodLovesUs100
Breivik believes that he has done a good act. He says that he thinks that the labor party is in league with Islamists to destroy western civilization, and that people will thank him for his actions once they realize this. The bible is silent about the Norwegian laborparty as well as Islam, so your conclusion that he is wrong can't be based on the bible.
smoothlockman 4 months ago
@smoothlockman it doesnt have to say anything reguarding to two, for God's commands are clear principals in all our life affairs.For example, Breivik might believe he has done a good act, but Jesus said to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, murder is clearly condemned in the Bible.If we're not even allowed to hate our enemies but only love and do good to them, what makes anyone think we have the right to kill them? Jesus never fought back when injustice was done to him.
GodLovesUs100 4 months ago
He cites the bible many time in justification for the attacks. see his chapter "The Bible and self-defence" , "More information about Christianity and self-defence".
he cites: Exodus 22:2, Samuel 25:13, Judges 5:8, Psalms 144:1, Luke 22:36, Matthew 26:52-54, Nehemiah 4:17-18, James 4:7, Leviticus 26:3, Daniel 11:32, 1 Corinthians 4:20, 2 Corinthians 12:12, Psalm 18:32,37, Proverbs 24:10, Exodus 15:3,6, Isaiah 42:13, Isaiah 52:12, Deuteronomy 9:3, Deuteronomy 33:27, Genesis 12:3 and much more.
smoothlockman 6 months ago
Anders also says that God will give him strength:
"God will give you his strength, boldness and courage to walk with his anointing
All of the above Scripture verses are definitely telling you that God can anoint you with
His power whenever that power is going to be needed to take on any kind of enemy or
challenge. However, there is one more thing that you are going to need before God will
release His power through you."
smoothlockman 6 months ago
Anders states that:
"Religion: Christian, Protestant but I support a reformation of Protestantism leading to it being absorbed by Catholisism......
Religious: I went from moderately to agnostic to moderately religious"
He thinks that God will help him with the mission:
"If you are operating under a full surrender with God the Father ....... then the next thing you will need to fully realise is that God will now anoint you with His power if you are forced to go into battle with your enemy."
smoothlockman 6 months ago
Most Muslims don't agree with the bombings done around the world in the name of god. Innocent people are killed in the name of god every day it seems and you would think differently if your country was under occupation with a bunch of nations creating lines and displacing people, making a new city where others used to live.But it's cool that's what America is about. It's what we did to the Native Americans. Many Cathlics/Christians committed genocide to Native Americans.
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FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
The guy was as christian as Mohammad....
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It took me about 5 minutes of research when the attack happened to see that he wasn't a Christian doing it or justifying it in the name of Christianity. You're talking to a brick wall making a reasonable and logical video explaining that. These idiots have no cop-on. Just look at the post below me.
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DingChavez959 6 months ago
I guess Breivik was just a bigot who hate other cultures. probably wasn't a christian, he probably was just using religion as a justification for his action, but he was definitely far right-winged as most Far right-winged people are against immigration and integration. I hope one day we can live in peace with each other. every great leader, including Jesus, MLK, Gandhi, etc. solved problems without violence, guns and genocide. we should follow in their footsteps
congalala6777 6 months ago
@congalala6777 There are two things those people on your list have in common. The first, they preach peace. The second, they were all murdered. That's a nice, feel-good idea, but I think people should prefer being ready and capable of defending themselves against aggressive and violent dangers, no matter their origins. In fact, I know that's best for all people. Bigot or not, I imagine Breivik wanted to know why multiculturalism and the problems it caused was imposed upon his people and culture.
VirikNavarro 6 months ago
"Far-Right" is like being called "Witch". The evidence it's simple, there is not a single far-left regime (Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Modern China and Vietnam), which Tolerate gays, have open borders or "free speech".
Communists/Far-lefties train their kids to use weapons, be always patriotic... compare them to Capitalist americans - brainwashed, retarded, nihilistic and filed with apathy
DanishGreatDane 6 months ago
@DanishGreatDane I agree that far leftist/communist train their kids to use weapons. but when you look at all of the far right wingers, especially in America, they do the same thing. we have groups like the NRA and other home grown private militias that promotes War, Religion, weaker gun control, nationalism and the death penalty. most republicans are NRA members and they love to go hunting with their kids. Conservatives support the idea of having guns in schools and the general public
congalala6777 6 months ago
@congalala6777 "Liberal" Democrats justify Ultra-Conservative Islam and Brown Nationalists (La Raza)
But let's ignore this.
Communist (true left) regimes never had open borders...
I want USA to become like Cuba - Police state, heavy regulations
However, Capitalist USA promote CONSUMERISM and MATERIALISM... very unhealthy ideologies, which breed pigs like u
DanishGreatDane 6 months ago
@DanishGreatDane I rather live in a country where people have rights and freedom. unlike cuba. I rather live in a world free of oppression, where people can express themselves freely without being stoned to death. I also believe in regulations to a certain extent, for example, I want stricter gun laws, but that's about it. I don't like police states, they are very mean and oppressive like the Nazis. true Liberals (NOT communist) are open minded. And I am not a pig, I am a human being like u
congalala6777 6 months ago
@congalala6777 A world devoid of oppression cannot exist. For as long as people can impose their will upon others, oppression will continue, in one form or another, to some degree or another. Such ideals are impractical and impossible to achieve, even with institutionalized brainwashing, people will continue to use and abuse others. Regulations are oppressive, by design. It's a fantasy world, a utopia you desire and such cannot exist, by law of nature, if nothing else.
VirikNavarro 6 months ago
@VirikNavarro U have a good point, what u r saying is true. Its the classic example of yin&yang. however when i speak of oppression Im really referring to the most extreme form of oppression like Slave Labor and Genocide. Technically, u can call regulations a form of oppression, but I don't think regulations like stoping at a red light is equivalent to Mass extermination of an entire people. Breivik has the same mentality as Hitler. we can live in a world without crime to that extent.
congalala6777 6 months ago
@congalala6777 I see. You've packaged your form of oppression so nicely that most should agree with it and why not? It's a feel-good ideal that intends to eliminate the most extreme dangers you and most others face. Unfortunately, those are the most immediate dangers people face, not the most extreme. The most extreme dangers people face are natural and cataclysmic. I do believe your form of oppression fails to strike the proper balance between nicety and necessity.
VirikNavarro 6 months ago
the horrible things he did is against the bible, and therefore he is no Christian.
SmieshNorway 6 months ago
@SmieshNorway Killing innocent people is forbidden in Islam with many verses stating that unless they are the fighters of an enemy confronting you or planning to attack you and kill you. Women and children are to be spared but by your rhetoric Muslims shouldn't be blamed for the bombings of all those innocent people but they are. The 3 common verses in the Quran saying to "slay them" were referring to people trying to kill you or people trying to drive you out of your homes.
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If Bin Laden is a Muslim terrorist, Breivik is surely a Christian one
0816Eric 6 months ago
@ 3:00 made me laugh . nice video , good to see something a bit different
ironlungdtoker 6 months ago
Great video!
bhigr 6 months ago
AgnosU akbar LOL. Great vid David. Love you bro. May God bless you.
wizzy2k4 6 months ago
Don't people in Israel say the same about cultural judaism when they knock down palestinian houses and illegally steal land in the west-bank?
AngelOfSephiroth 6 months ago
Sir, You must have a lot of cameras on you so many can actually hear what you are saying!
I am from Norway and thank you for your video!
Awesome!
daniloorbolato 6 months ago
Thank you for showing that it's Republicans as well as Democrats, who apologize for Muslem terror
SaltNPepperish 6 months ago
Well done, Sir. Always enjoy and appreciate the intellectual process behind these productions.
TprJMc1987 6 months ago
Wow great work. I guess no matter what we are being lied to by the media..
Callahan757575 6 months ago 18
An extreme Christian will be like Jesus and love others
An extreme Muslim will be like Muslim and kill others.........
nicename2011 6 months ago
THE BIBLE DOSEN'T TELL CHRISTIANS TO KILL ALL UNBELIVERS THAT REFUSE TO CONVERT. THE KORAN IS VERY CLEAR, CONVERT OR DIE.
CRABBYBAG 6 months ago
Atleast he admitted playing games too much and ivisting prostitues, most people can't-
quezcatol 6 months ago
Hmmm. Interesting. Brevik is seeming to make the same case for Christianity that Spinoza made for Judaism back in the Enlightenment, insisting it was more of a socio-ethnic identification than a faith.
I think the faith can be distilled into a distinct culture based on the values it promotes, however taking one without the other is problematic at best.
nofalltoofar 7 months ago
I'm sorry, but has no one heard of the Crusades? Just because modern Christians are generally less openly aggressive doesn't mean it is a "religion of peace" and Islam a "religion of war".
TheGr8H8 7 months ago
@TheGr8H8 if you knew anything you would know that the crusades were about defending the holy land from the muslims. don't they teach kids anything in school anymore or do they just let you surf the net?
booniesman88 7 months ago
@TheGr8H8 The Crusades were a REaction to 400 years of violent Jihad during which Islam edged ever closer to Europe. I know this isn't taught in school because it's not politically correct but it's true. Islam is an ideology of war (in the guise of a religion) - none other than Karl Marx noted that "Islam ostracizes the infidel nation and creates a state of permanent hostility between Muslims and infidels" referring to the subjugation of 'dar la-harb' by 'dar al-Islam' as ordered in the Koran.
HalalKafir 7 months ago
And while we are on topic - educate yourself on the (ultimately unsuccessful) Muslim conquest of the Indian Subcontinent which cost some 80 MILLION Hindus their lives. And look into the history of 1300 years of Islamic slavery/genocide in Africa which has cost close to 20 MILLION black Africans their lives (and still goes on today in Darfur). Senegalese anthropologist Tidiane N´Diaye wrote a book titled 'The Veiled Genocide' about it; this TV report ---> watch?v=o07PSCBKHGU goes along with it.
HalalKafir 7 months ago
I'm wondering if anyone thinks that averting our eyes from Muslim "terrorist" culture is a good way to deal with the problem. I do know that calling Christian cultural values the problem is NOT the solution.
dan91709 7 months ago
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dan91709 7 months ago
Your smug attitude makes you sound like a ass. The facts are your christian God has got 2,000 years or more on Islam. So your God has killed way more people,and if you think Christians are such great people you need a history lesson bad.
brianhar100 7 months ago
@brianhar100
Islam has killed 270 million. Communist China is in 2nd place with 77 million. Together, they dwarf all other religions combined (even if you add the crusades and inquisition). It is not that Christianity has calmed down because if its age. It is the difference between the orthodox teachings. Islam has been violent from the start. It's prophet was a warrior. Jesus commanded people to love their enemies. Muhammad simply killed them. That's the difference.
ogunitracy 7 months ago 13
@ogunitracy You got some good numbers,but communism is not a religion. We don't exactly know the numbers of people the biblical God has caused the death of. Jesus is not God,or is he considered to be in all abarhamic religions. The fact is that the 2,000 ,or so years before Jesus your god was the same murderous God as Allah in all reality they are the same God. If you don't believe me read a Quran its all stolen from the bible.
brianhar100 6 months ago
@brianhar100
Not all of the Qur'an is stolen from the Bible and even what is stolen wasn't stolen well. However, there is a difference between violence in the Bible and Qur'an. The violence in the Bible was against specific people at specific times and for specific reasons. That is why, as you can see, the violence has stopped. The Qur'an, however, simply tells Muslims to fight unbelievers until religion is only for Allah. That is why the violence will never stop.
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy I read somewhere in the bible i assume in the OT. The same verse that is in the Quran. A order from God to kill the unbelievers. As a matter of fact that's what Christians did for 1,000s of years. Just how do you steal something well? Think about this if there were no Christians,Jews,or Catholics than we would not have Muslims. So its your fault not mine so quite complaining when one of your boys does something wrong
brianhar100 6 months ago
@brianhar100
Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah."
If you can find a parallel to that in the Bible, you will have won this debate. The only times Christians fought for years were during the crusades, and it was a response to Muslim invasion. There is no such command to subjugate or forcibly convert in the old or new testament.
it is not the fault of Christians, Jews or Catholics that Muhammad was mad. It is his fault alone.
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy I will find the verse now,thanks for the motivation.
brianhar100 6 months ago
@brianhar100
No problem. Search, search. I would lend you my Bible but we're separated by the internet. you can search the Bible online at biblegateway. com.
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy I have my own bible,and it is in it,and i will find it. It might take a couple days,but i will.
brianhar100 6 months ago
@brianhar100
If a week passes and you do not find it, will you do something for me?
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy What would that be?
brianhar100 6 months ago
@brianhar100
Reread one book of the Bible.
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@brianhar100
Reread one book of the Bible of my choice and discuss it with me.
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy I will do that anyway. Name the book.
brianhar100 6 months ago
@brianhar100
This is a hard choice. The gospel according to John.
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy Ok ill let you know when i am done.
brianhar100 6 months ago
@brianhar100
You're reading the entire thing at once? I would do it chapter by chapter and it took me about a week or two.
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy Yes since its not the first time i have read it. I will read it all at once just to refresh myself. Now can i read it please?
brianhar100 6 months ago
@brianhar100
Of course. I have work to do, anyway. Bye.
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy You forgot to count the Native Americans killed by Christians and the church that was very controlling and abusive of it's people, and the land and territory it determined to conquer. America sits on the bones of millions of Native Americans you happen to forget about, while chiming in on the other millions of deaths you bring up to wrongly fuel a petty argument about statistics. The history of Islam, they actually were completely peaceful until after they were driven out of Mecca
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@FishDontBlinq
To the best of my knowledge, Muslims were never driven out of Mecca. They are still there now, aren't they? You may count everyone killed by Christians and Islam will still dwarf it. Islam has killed millions. Those lives are still precious to God and that's where the catch come in. The Bible teaches us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us (Luke 6:27,28). It is in the Quran that people are commanded to kill until religion is only for Allah (Quran (8:39))
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy Well to the best of your knowledge obviously means very little because the Muslims were driven out of Mecca to Medina, then they returned and reclaimed their homes which was where the passages about "slay them where they stand" the Islamaphobes quote day in and out out of context which, came about because prior to that the Muslims took a passive stance because murder was a major sin, but to be able to defend ones home and killing in "self defense" all becomes something god will judge
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@ogunitracy MY POINT is that how many more lives does a side have to have killed to make it worse than the other? So your little pointless tally MIGHT come up with a higher result. Gee wiz well it's not as much as the Muslims so we are just peachy as a religion. BOTH religions have had leaders take advantage of their followers and for you to single one religion out to fuel your petty argument is totally distasteful and disrespectful to the millions murdered whom you mention without any sweat
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
Whatever dude you can switch up the words in verses or summerize to fuel your argument. Not even in the mood to get the verses explaining relations of coexisting with other faiths, which is inevitable. Unlike Christians who claimed they are the representatives of the supreme rulers and yada yada. Don't give me that bullshit oh those lives are all precious. You seemed to not care about it when speaking earlier because your negative tone enveloped your argument with NO respect of the dead.
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@FishDontBlinq
By all means attack me. Don't defend Islam.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Whatever verses you can provide, they cannot remove that verse from the Quran but feel free to try.
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy Guess what, Allah means god so really, I believe the quote is directed towards true non believers, like Soviet Union, Russians Chinease, the Koreans dont believe in god. If those godless people should be stopped if they ever decide to fight or invade a god fearing nation. (Muslims and Christians and others). And when they say fight, they dont mean go out and fight people just because they are different. Catholics and Christians fuck Ireland to this day with religious "dues".
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@ogunitracy And the payment thing, or I think Jizya is, like a tax similar to the church. The difference is that the people are allowed to have their own religion, but the land or whatever belongs to the Muslims but they were protected and it's the same shit Christianity and Catholics did, and continue to do to this day. This was some type of practice for post war territory establishment, like the post war procedure not what some dummy can invoke in his backyard like the idiot"KILL LETTERMAN!
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@FishDontBlinq By kill Letterman I mean what the fellow calling on all Muslims to kill Letterman for his remarks about some Al-Quida leader. I mean come on am I supposed to take that guy seriously, as a Muslim? Do you guys really think I am answering the "so called" call to Muslims to kill David Letterman? Well if so then I hope you enjoy Glen Becks internet show when he is off the air. You'll love all the facts he has for you. You guys are truly lacking the real knowledge about what you hate
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@FishDontBlinq
Who is talking about the jizya? I'm talking about the command to fight people.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Whatever verses you can provide, they cannot remove that verse from the Quran
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy The command isn't to just "fight people". It's not to go around to be like hey, what do you believe in? Oh really? It's just like what I believe in but you call him God and We call him Allah? Ok, then bam I fight you. Get a clue. When they are talking about fighting they are speaking on when confronted by an enemy in fight. An enemy would be someone trying or planning to take your life, someone who is falsely persecuting you while being completed innocent,
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@ogunitracy Language barrier doesn't truly show the fact that the sentence structure is at times like a run on sentence. When they talked of killing the people who do not believe in Allah, it was to be connected with the previous string of descriptions of the type of person who may invade or try to kill you, but do what you must to defend your life, especially from those who do not believe in god. (Worked great for confronting the Russians, with AMERICAS money, training, manipulation of course
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
And believe me I would say about 90% or more of the Muslims believe and live by my translation of what is already a translation of an old, unchanged language or religion, and not your watered down FAUX NEWS version of the translation of that verse. Guess what, in a crowd of 1000 or more peaceful calm Muslims and 1 of them is yelling some crazy, anti tolerance bull crap, and the rest are chilling, who are you going to notice? Who is going to get on fox news and other newspaper article
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@ogunitracy You know, I say tomatoe, you say Muslims are trying to behead me because they hate freedom..... yeah that's what they're so hot about. Pull your head out of your own ass once in a while, if you really seek the knowledge go talk to a real person. Ask a person at a Muslim mosque how you feel? They will be honest and they will not be in any way discriminative like what the news corporations have you all thinking. It's astonishing how easy it was for the gov to fuck all your minds up
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
@FishDontBlinq
What are you saying? The Quran commands Muslims to fight non-Muslims and you are talking about the government?
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@ogunitracy You are switching your words now to try to validate a pointless arguement based on what you think the translation, from a foreign language which you know nothing about. It dosn't ever say "Non Muslims, and the defination of "non believers" are wide and varied friend but you I am sure you will just run with whatever Glenn Beck or the crazy extremist who represent less than 1% of the religion. But I'm sure listening to the lunatic is the only way for you to sleep at night. Sleep tight
FishDontBlinq 6 months ago
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@FishDontBlinq
You're funny.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
That verse must mean 'love unbelievers and treat them well.'
Right...
Good night.
ogunitracy 6 months ago