Bill O worse than the 60$ bandit? HELLO! Im an atheist too but as stupid as bill is Im pretty sure someone like the bank robber is a religious nut. Dont believe me? Look at statistics of prisoners beliefs!
Bill O'Reilly makes 20 million in salary, and is Harvard educated. He is simply a highly paid troll. Thats the only conclusion one can reach.
Nobody is that stupid, as Bill O'Reilly pretends he is ... he only makes his money by talking shit and getting people "riled" up ... hell even his name implies what he does ... O'Reilly gets people "reilled" up.
But let me add ... Bill O'Reilly ... loves the cack
O'Reilly is not an idiot because he is a Christian. He's a Christian who happens to be an idiot. I can't stand him...people assume all Christians are idiots because he happens to be both. I'm a Christian, I'm not an idiot. I know why the tide goes in and out & how the moon got there. I am allowed to believe in proven Scientific fact (Big Bang, etc) and still have faith. O'Reilly is an annoying ignoramus who makes that look impossible. He should go back to the rock they found him under.
Maybe Bill can't explain how the tides work, but I learned of the effects of the moon's gravity on the tides in the 5th grade! How can anybody with an IQ above that of their waistline possibly take this man seriously? My IQ dropped 15 points just listening to him!
even god would laugh his ass off at the fact that bill oreilly says tides alone are evidence for this. ya know what oreillys response was to the moon causing the tides, "well how did the moon get there?" this guy didnt even bother to research his own argument. maybe he shouldnt said multiverse then it wouldve at least mad sense to us.
I love how Bill O'Reily's explanation for his comment is just as bad as the initial comment. And on top of that, he disables comments on his youtube channel. Sounds like hes really confident in his belief system.
Ill educated or stupid? Still he (O'Reilly) needs to stop walking around with an ignorant blindfold preaching illogical and irrational beliefs... He probably thinks the Earth is flat also and the moon is made of cheese!
Even if we wouldn't have a reasonable explanation for the tide yet, it still wouldn't make god a more likely reason, it's rather that we simply wouldn't know yet. And the tide works everywhere in the world, and has ever done so. So it must be a pretty good team working between all the different gods we choose to believe in on the earth.
@VisualVideoTruth 'Beginning' also is temporal. We have traced the origin of the universe to one point, beyond which we lack understanding. You are going one further and saying the beginning has a definite beginer.
Also, objectivity? Objective what? Math is only a language. It is based purely on abitrary values in order to convey understanding of percieved universal constants. The universe is consistant with itself. We apply our frameworks of understanding around it, but they are not objective.
@VisualVideoTruth What is this 'random phenomenon'? Who claimed there was one? To conceive of the birth of the universe as blind chance and randomness is the most serious conceptual mistake one can make. To then assert that random chance or conscious creation are the only two choices is a fallacy. Spontaneous, for a start, does not mean the same as random. Can you elaborate more of what you mean when you say 'random phenomenon', clarify the event one 'would have to explain'?
@VisualVideoTruth That there exists a grand architect who created the universe. Not just a phenomenon causing the universe, but a personage who created it knowingly.
C'mon! even if we didn't know that the moon's position above the Earth controlled the Earth's tides, that isn't a reason to believe in the great invisible sky daddy. O'really must be a throwback to the cavemen to depend on that level of superstition.
@VisualVideoTruth why do you claim that in order for something to be objective, it needs a pre-designed purpose? the thing is that fairy rings have an obvious pattern, they are always in a circle. No intelligence designed them to appear in a circle, they just happen that way. We don't know whether there was some pre-existing objective truth. Many people postulate that time began with the universe. We just don't know. Even if there was a pre-existing truth, that doesn't make it intelligent.
@VisualVideoTruth Design and order are not the same thing. Order just means there's a discernible pattern and design means it was made with intent. There is no evidence to suggest it was made with intent. I agree that that the universe could not be created by something random. There are many theoretical physicists who suggest that due to the nature our reality the universe can come into existence on its won. This does not mean that there was some higher intelligence behind it.
@sunset261 What I'm saying is that anything void of a creator is random and has no objectivity. Like reality, if reality wasn't created, that would mean it came about with-out a pre-existing pattern, or pre-existing objectivity. So, isn't that impossible? Because there is nothing to suggest that anything can create its self before even existing.
A God is not just intelligence, but an objective being, which would explain our objective reality.
@VisualVideoTruth In the sense that you're using the word, creation is temporal. But, there was no time before the universe. Therefore, your creator is inconsistant with at least one universal truth. In what basis does the creator you're describing operate?
@VisualVideoTruth Randomness by definition is simply something that's unpredictable. As I said reality is not random. But simply because something is predictable and shows a pattern does not mean that it has a pre-determined purpose. We see undesigned patterns in nature all the time. Fairy rings lie in a circle and are natural but there is nobody that designed the fairy ring to be in a circle. It just happens that way naturally.
William Buckley, "No, because I believe that there are mysteries. And that it is impossible to parse all of God's movements by applying to them the substantially resourcelessness of our own minds. Can I account for the five-year-old who before we finish tonight will have fallen in from a rooftop and be killed? No, I can't account for it. On the other hand, I don't think that -- I don't think that the abundance of incidents of that kind causes -- are sufficient grounds for rejecting revelation."
@VisualVideoTruth anything not random is created by an intelligent being? What basis do you have for that? Random just means that it's unpredictable. On what basis do you say that anything not random is created by an intelligence? There is no observable intelligence that makes gravity happen yet we can predict based on observation that if we drop something, it will fall. And don't say, "but god made gravity" because that is assuming your conclusion.
@VisualVideoTruth But nobody is saying that reality's existence is random. The truth is the we don't have a full understanding of why th universe came to be. But that doesn't grant any validity to positing that some perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful, intelligent being did it.
O Reilly good sir. Is that what I heard? You say there is no explanation for why there are tides. Well I’m afraid myself and anyone by yours or my sides. Could explain this to you as simple as that. There is this thing called the moon which handles that fact. Now please in due time. Try to comprehend my rhyme. There is no ill will towards you. I’m trying to enlighten what’s true.
What a moron. Surely this imbecile understands what O'Reilly is saying. O'Reilly was simply saying that structure and order in the universe cannot be explained without admitting a Prime Mover or Creator. William Buckley responded to a group of retarded evolutionist in much the same way once when he told them something to the effect that "at this time a 5 year old child is going to die an untimely death". Buckley asked, "How can that be explained?".
@VisualVideoTruth Atheists don't define circular reasoning, we follow the actual definition. The objective base of origin is reality. Reality is objective. That doesn't mean that an all-powerful, all-knowing being created it. 1+1=2 isn't a random fact, it's just based on the observation of our objective reality. Geometry comes from observation of the objective reality of shapes. Plus, geometry is the measure of shapes, not of earth.
The fact that something is presently unexplainable via science is not evidence of religion/the supernatural. Bill O'Reilly actually inadvertently demonstrates this by giving an example of something that was once mysterious but is now explained by physics.
He must think that tide charts are produced by prophets rather than people that track moon cycles.
1. Randomness and objective truth aren't mutually exclusive. Randomness very easily could be an objective truth(It doesn't matter if it is or not, just that it could be) Math doesn't even enter into it.
2. Circular reasoning means that the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one or more of the premises. It has nothing to do with athiests definitions, but the actual definition
You can't explain that? Moon. Umm even if we couldn't explain it, why would that give creedence to any other belief? Bill needs to take a remedial course in logic and reasoning.
Why do some Christians think some Atheists need to have an explanation for everything, or think they have indisputable evidence that there is no god? Maybe we just don't care, and have better things to worry about in our lives?
@pissed7off Maybe because it's about time we put these stone age stories to bed once and for all instead of letting them influence our societies and actions?
Because it's not going to happen? It's not up to you what others choose to believe in.
The world needs more Alice Coopers than George W. Bushes, aka. people who keep their faiths to themselves (Alice), and people who don't even if they're not allowed to (George).
@pissed7off If that was all it was then it wouldn't be a problem.
I consider the indoctrination of children however, mental abuse, and I consider the mixing of religion into state matters or the exemption of religion from tax, criminal whether it is currently legally recognised as such or not.
@pissed7off "Why do some Christians think some Atheists need to have an explanation for everything,..."
Yes and science keeps finding answers so the goalposts get moved back. I am waiting for the day when someone says "I lost my car keys, do you know where they are?" and when I admit that I do not, they will claim that as a proof of God.
@pissed7off Ha ha, yeah...a lot of atheists take it on faith....asking an atheist to prove there is no God is just like asking a theist to prove there is one. That's why I like to cop-out and take the agnostic route. From a bumper sticker: "I'm a militant agnostic....I don't know, and you don't, either."
@pissed7off "Maybe we just don't care, and have better things to worry about in our lives"
That has NEVER been an Atheist standpoint. Find me one article where an intelligent Atheist states that they "just don't care" or "have better things to worry about" about any one thing.
@Jallandhara No, an atheist standpoint is "I don't believe in any god".
It is NOT "I need to have %100 proof that there is no god to justify myself". Atheists don't have to justify shit, they just don't believe. You're mistaking "atheist" for "arrogant asshole".
@Jallandhara No. The only requirement of an atheist is lack of belief. It's in the morphology of the word. There is no intellectual prerequisite for Atheism... or any prerequisite at all, for that matter.
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Yeah Keith the moon does cause the tide to go in and out, but where did the moon come from? Where did the Sun come from? That's a question that atheists have no answer for.
@LowellDevil Well, the Sun condensed from a proto-stellar cloud of hydrogen and helium some 4,6 billion years ago, and the Moon was formed about 100,000 years later when the early Earth was hit by a large object. No big mystery there, neighbor.
Sure many atheists may not be able to answer that.... except for those of us who completed high school physics. the explinations are extremely simple. Oh, and even if there was answer (gravity pulling together particle mass, if you want a simple explanation) it does not prove that the christian god exists. Logic fail.
The moon came from a collision of a meteor and Earth. The sun came from a cloud of gases and particles that over millions of years formed a central mass and later became a star.
Scientists, not necessarily atheists, have answers to all these types of questions. Tides, stars, moons, and planets are VERY easy to explain with Science and not so easy to explain with a magic man in the clouds.
@LowellDevil You know there are some pretty decent theories out there that you should give an honest look. Weighing these testable theories may be less comforting than knowing your chosen "truth"; but in the end I find it much more palatable than an unfalsifiable god, that seems to be more of a projection of ones ego than anything else.
@LowellDevil You know there are some pretty decent theories out there that you should give an honest look. Weighing these, testable, theories may be less comforting than knowing your chosen "truth"; but in the end I find it much more palatable than an unfalsifiable god, that seems to be more of a projection of ones ego than anything else.
Can you believe, before Bill O'Reilly came along, we actually used to think the tides came along because the gravitational pull exerted by the moon differed between the surface and floor of the ocean! Oh man, did those scientists have us fooled!
the life span of the top wage when up because than likely they have a better education and know to eat right exorcise take care of themselves instead of eating at burger king
"because than likely they have a better education and know to eat right exorcise take care of themselves instead of eating at burger king"
Yes, "fat, sugar, & salt are bad" was my major in college...no wait, I learned that before I went to kindergarden. It is more like, "sugar & high fat foods like meat & cheese are subsidized, so they are very cheap and all a lot of lower income people can afford; eg, eating at Burger King"
@VisualVideoTruth A=A is not circular reasoning. Circular reasoning would be A=C because A=C. A=A because A does not equal A would be a logical contradiction. Just because something is objective means that an all powerful, intelligent being created it? No it's just an objective observation of how the world around us works. There is no logical string from, "This has an objective pattern" to "therefore it was created by an all-powerful, all-knowing, intelligent creator"
@VisualVideoTruth measurement counting and logic work because A. measurement and counting are just us giving a value to the quantity of something. Then we combine that with logic, which is based off of self-evident truths such as a=a. You seem to think that us atheists claim that there is not god, the majority of atheists do not. We merely don't think that there's enough evidence to believe that claim that there is a god. we say there could be one but we have no reason to think there is one.
@sunset261 Atheists reject Christianity first and foremost. When you hear Atheists speak it generally bible attacks (Dawkins /Hitchens). To discuss the idea that the universe is conscious is a different conversation. Think of the amount of internet information floating through the air. Consider that the natural energy around us contains information in the same way. Think of an airplane compared to a bird. Flight uses the same laws of physics. Look at nature's way vs man way.
@xrock4 we reject christianity based on a lack of confirming evidence, we don't make the claim that we are 100% sure that there isn't a god. We normally attack the bible because it is the eminently dominant religious text used is the societies that we live in. Natural energy? As opposed to man made energy? There isn't any energy that isn't natural, can't be created nor destroyed remember? Natures way is superior to man's way because we learn by studying nature.
@sunset261 Yes nature is part of god in the same way we are. It has a real spirit. The Natives are right. The forest is alive and knows its there. These are levels of consciousness. There are hidden messages in Christianity. Remember what they did with people who went against the flow? Think of the holy trinity as God (The Universe) Jesus (The Sun) The Holy Spirit (The Earth [Also called the mother earth) That's not in the bible. It was created later. Why did they hide that message in there?
@xrock4 i dont think referring to thousand year old texts is the best place to be deciphering hidden messages. everything that was known thousands of years ago, we have a better understanding of today.
@commerceskate That's your mistake. The human brain has been the same size for 100 000 years. The human's then were as intelligent as humans now. The night sky was not lit by city lights it was clear and the stars stretched out awe inspiring every night. They watched and studied just as we do now. To disregard all the work done then because you think we are so much smarter is arrogance.
@xrock4 "everything that was known thousands of years ago, we have a better understanding of today." i made this statement, and i still stand by it 110%. we are A LOT smarter than humans in biblical times...are you serious right now? ...are you trying to suggest they knew as much about the cosmos as we do now? i really hope so because that would be hilarious. (of course you wont say that now though haha)
@VisualVideoTruth No real reason why math should work? Um, we developed mathematics. We derive it from measurements and from logical reasoning. It's a field of study. It's not like we've known mathematics for all of time. Essentially mathematics work because we made it to work and we can confirm that it works through measurement, counting, and logic. The ultimate point is to know more about the universe so we can apply that knowledge to our lives.
@VisualVideoTruth Then why didn't he mention the origin of the universe? He was talking about how the events seemingly repeat themselves the same way over and over again. And yes, we CAN explain how events happen. He also wouldn't have said "never a miscommunication" as if cognizant things are collaborating to make the tides move when it's just gravity.. Since when do atheists say the universe is just bleh. Carl Sagan did an entire TV series on the universe. Was it bleh to him?
You know, I thought David Silverman was being a bit of an asshole, so I was kind of expecting to agree with Bill O'Reilly when watching the debate. Then he constantly interrupts David Silvermann, and says something as stupid as what he just did
Seriously? That is O'Reilly's argument on this subject? OMG that is the most ridiculous thing he has ever said, and that is quite a feat to be sure. WOW, Bill O go pick up a jr. high science book and read it.
it is really sad that in this day and age people still believe in silly superstition like religion. it really goes to show how stupid and easily manipulated people are. its a crying shame indeed.
I can imagine someone making O"Reilly's statement about the tides being hard to explain in ... oh, I don't know ... maybe 1311 ... but only an idiot would make such a statement in 2011.
not gonna lie ..little disappointed that Silverman said 'maybe it was thor..' (which btw, wouldn't be living on top of mt. olympus >_>). he could have just said 'moon you asshat'
What is really sad about Bill's rationale is that he is so intellectually and spiritually anorexic. As a Christian your proof that there is a God should be your personal relationship with Him and what He's done in your life, not "tide goes in, tide goes out" because you can't explain a natural phenomenon. I knew when I was like 10 that the gravitational force of the moon causes that. SMH
How gullible and stupid does a person have to be to believe a word that comes out of dumbermanns mouth? Pretty gullible and stupid. He took O'Reilly out of context to disguise O'Reilly's point that gravity is invisible too, yet we believe in it. O'Reilly's point was shallow and silly so why lie about what he meant? Anyone who trusts Dumbermann to be honest is a fool.
@Babylauncher3000 Nope. Olberman obviously cut the "invisible man" statement to keep simpletons like yourself from deciphering the actual intent of the statement.
Yep, saying "an invisible man done it " isn't an explanation for something. And explaining HOW something happens is the the same as explaining WHY it happens. Tides are caused by the moon and the sun and the rotation of the earth.
@BriansVideoHobby O'Reilly never made that point in the entire interview. You're saying what YOU want his point to be because it's the point YOU would have made, perhaps. But, like religion, wishing it were true doesn't make it so.
@PerilocutionAZ09 He's made the same point many times as have many others. I think it's a stupid and irrelevant point but, regardless, O'Reilly knows how tidal forces work and only a moron thinks otherwise. He's a fool at times but he's not stupid.
@sh4rpsh0t33 I saw the whole interview... it is pretty accurate. He apparently has no knowledge of gravity. But since gravity is just a theory, maybe he's on to something....
Even when I was little we lived on the water and my grandmom had a tide thermometer that showed what hight the tide would be depending on the phase of the moon. All my life I knew the tides were tied to the moons rotation around the earth. How can you not know about this. As a small child I knew this. What an idiot.
@NaturalLili Silverman made a point about praying to an "invisible man" and O'Reilly was countering with an explanation of gravity being invisible yet we believe in it. He's made this argument before. He was interrupted and returned to his train of thought. That's why Dumberman cut the invisible man statement.
@BriansVideoHobby "O'Reilly was countering with an explanation of gravity being invisible yet we believe in it." And that is just as stupid as his moon statement, so good job on showing how stupid O'retard is. We know gravity exists because of observations, your invisible sky daddy is "supernatural" meaning unobservable, so he is still stupid.
@desager1 Whether O'Reilly is stupid or not, Olbermann is a deceiver and he cut the video to deceive you. That's my only point. Of course, anyone with any skills of observation already knows that. Whatever you want to say about O'Reilly, he's still a 1000 times more honest than Olberman.
I am an atheist and what disapoints me the most about this video is the fact that David Silverman couldn't explain the tides and he thought Thor lived on Mt. Olympus. Thor is a God from Norse mythology, not Greek Mythology. Atheism is susposed to be founded on scientific evidence. Why is someone heading an atheist organization with little knowledge of science and religion?
His Billo impression cracks me up!
goldcommando329 4 weeks ago
Religion: where logic goes to die
dkthg 2 months ago
You can't explain Bill O'Reilly, Mouth opens, s**t comes out, never fails every time, mouth opens, s**t comes out, you can't explain that!
T1H8F8C2 4 months ago
Fucking magnets, you can't explain that!
eldoritoman 5 months ago
Bill O worse than the 60$ bandit? HELLO! Im an atheist too but as stupid as bill is Im pretty sure someone like the bank robber is a religious nut. Dont believe me? Look at statistics of prisoners beliefs!
calstategop 5 months ago
moon river at the end makes this :P
fattyboy555 5 months ago
What about King Cnut, Bill. He set his throne by the sea and commanded the tides not to come in.
*YOU* can't explain that, now can you?
Point, Me. :P
Septicor 6 months ago
Tide goes in, Tide goes out and out and out and comes back in as a tsunami
born912 6 months ago
HAHAHA..i love olbermann
tknick90 7 months ago
is bill o'reilly implying that there is no physical/natural explanation for the tides?
Medulaman683 8 months ago
keith's back. yeahhhh!
tomitstube 8 months ago
@tomitstube
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TAz69x 8 months ago
I learned that in 6th grade.
SkittlezzIdilzz 9 months ago
Forget drugs! Religious Anti-intellectualism WILL make you really ignorant.
O'Reily serves up one fallacy after another.
psycotria 10 months ago
Bill O doesn't know why the tides go in and out?
People that ignorant should not be allowed to live.
Gunner3210 10 months ago
What about wood chippers? Hand goes in, stump comes out. Never a miscommunication.
QuickdrawMcShaw 11 months ago
Bill O'Reilly makes 20 million in salary, and is Harvard educated. He is simply a highly paid troll. Thats the only conclusion one can reach.
Nobody is that stupid, as Bill O'Reilly pretends he is ... he only makes his money by talking shit and getting people "riled" up ... hell even his name implies what he does ... O'Reilly gets people "reilled" up.
But let me add ... Bill O'Reilly ... loves the cack
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nightowl8936 11 months ago 6
O'Reilly is an idiot!!!!!!! 'Nuff said!
GodlessMorality 11 months ago
O'Reilly is not an idiot because he is a Christian. He's a Christian who happens to be an idiot. I can't stand him...people assume all Christians are idiots because he happens to be both. I'm a Christian, I'm not an idiot. I know why the tide goes in and out & how the moon got there. I am allowed to believe in proven Scientific fact (Big Bang, etc) and still have faith. O'Reilly is an annoying ignoramus who makes that look impossible. He should go back to the rock they found him under.
dexterleigh 11 months ago
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Bread goes in, Toast comes out.
YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT.
David12King 1 year ago
If you cannot prove a positive, the negative must be true.
Zach055 1 year ago
@Zach055 That's a false dichotomy...
jedwards0820 1 year ago
The pure stupidity of O'Reilly makes me doubt evolution.
Lots of these conservatives don't understand science so they believe the only explanation for many things is "God did it". Ignorance at it's finest.
TheSnoopy1750 1 year ago
Maybe Bill can't explain how the tides work, but I learned of the effects of the moon's gravity on the tides in the 5th grade! How can anybody with an IQ above that of their waistline possibly take this man seriously? My IQ dropped 15 points just listening to him!
deadcrowes19 1 year ago 2
even god would laugh his ass off at the fact that bill oreilly says tides alone are evidence for this. ya know what oreillys response was to the moon causing the tides, "well how did the moon get there?" this guy didnt even bother to research his own argument. maybe he shouldnt said multiverse then it wouldve at least mad sense to us.
HVAC1337NJ 1 year ago
I love how Bill O'Reily's explanation for his comment is just as bad as the initial comment. And on top of that, he disables comments on his youtube channel. Sounds like hes really confident in his belief system.
brharrii 1 year ago
America glorifies ignorance = America is doomed.
astrophonix 1 year ago
There's only one American more stupid than him actually, an ex president...
afx777 1 year ago
@afx777 Let me guess. Lives is texas and recently canceled a trip to Switzerland under threat of arrest?
MrEatonbeaver 1 year ago
Ill educated or stupid? Still he (O'Reilly) needs to stop walking around with an ignorant blindfold preaching illogical and irrational beliefs... He probably thinks the Earth is flat also and the moon is made of cheese!
afx777 1 year ago
Even if we wouldn't have a reasonable explanation for the tide yet, it still wouldn't make god a more likely reason, it's rather that we simply wouldn't know yet. And the tide works everywhere in the world, and has ever done so. So it must be a pretty good team working between all the different gods we choose to believe in on the earth.
pixmix 1 year ago 2
Moon goes' in, moon goes' out! The tide controls the moon!
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 1 year ago
This makes me embarrassed for America :(
NCsqrlkiller 1 year ago 7
@VisualVideoTruth 'Beginning' also is temporal. We have traced the origin of the universe to one point, beyond which we lack understanding. You are going one further and saying the beginning has a definite beginer.
Also, objectivity? Objective what? Math is only a language. It is based purely on abitrary values in order to convey understanding of percieved universal constants. The universe is consistant with itself. We apply our frameworks of understanding around it, but they are not objective.
Sinnessa 1 year ago
What kind of world do we live in where Keith Olbermann's show was cancelled... but paranoid schizophrenic Glenn Beck still has a show?
psychinferno 1 year ago 2
four people are unaware what causes tides.... (plus Bill O'Reilly)
psychinferno 1 year ago 4
@VisualVideoTruth What is this 'random phenomenon'? Who claimed there was one? To conceive of the birth of the universe as blind chance and randomness is the most serious conceptual mistake one can make. To then assert that random chance or conscious creation are the only two choices is a fallacy. Spontaneous, for a start, does not mean the same as random. Can you elaborate more of what you mean when you say 'random phenomenon', clarify the event one 'would have to explain'?
Sinnessa 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth That there exists a grand architect who created the universe. Not just a phenomenon causing the universe, but a personage who created it knowingly.
Sinnessa 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth That doesn't answer the question I asked. You just re-framed your original assertion, the assertion that I am questioning.
Sinnessa 1 year ago
C'mon! even if we didn't know that the moon's position above the Earth controlled the Earth's tides, that isn't a reason to believe in the great invisible sky daddy. O'really must be a throwback to the cavemen to depend on that level of superstition.
sasnsatx 1 year ago
He should go out and say he's an atheist if he is. He was raised Unitarian, but he's never really went into his current religion.
MyTotalRemedy 1 year ago
I see a lot of liberals agree with atheist..... I wonder how far does this agreement go...... are they secret atheist as well?
ClintSevilla 1 year ago
@ClintSevilla Let's hope so.
Sinnessa 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth why do you claim that in order for something to be objective, it needs a pre-designed purpose? the thing is that fairy rings have an obvious pattern, they are always in a circle. No intelligence designed them to appear in a circle, they just happen that way. We don't know whether there was some pre-existing objective truth. Many people postulate that time began with the universe. We just don't know. Even if there was a pre-existing truth, that doesn't make it intelligent.
sunset261 1 year ago
How can anyone take O'Reilly seriously? Does anyone really take him seriously? The man is a pompous buffoon.
lekocafe 1 year ago
hahahaha..btw does anyone know what the song at the end is?
priyambanerjee89 1 year ago
@priyambanerjee89 That's 'Moon River' - probably Andy Williams' version.
daylightisabadthing 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth Design and order are not the same thing. Order just means there's a discernible pattern and design means it was made with intent. There is no evidence to suggest it was made with intent. I agree that that the universe could not be created by something random. There are many theoretical physicists who suggest that due to the nature our reality the universe can come into existence on its won. This does not mean that there was some higher intelligence behind it.
sunset261 1 year ago
@sunset261 What I'm saying is that anything void of a creator is random and has no objectivity. Like reality, if reality wasn't created, that would mean it came about with-out a pre-existing pattern, or pre-existing objectivity. So, isn't that impossible? Because there is nothing to suggest that anything can create its self before even existing.
A God is not just intelligence, but an objective being, which would explain our objective reality.
VisualVideoTruth 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth In the sense that you're using the word, creation is temporal. But, there was no time before the universe. Therefore, your creator is inconsistant with at least one universal truth. In what basis does the creator you're describing operate?
Sinnessa 1 year ago
GRAVITY!
TheHappyApache 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth Randomness by definition is simply something that's unpredictable. As I said reality is not random. But simply because something is predictable and shows a pattern does not mean that it has a pre-determined purpose. We see undesigned patterns in nature all the time. Fairy rings lie in a circle and are natural but there is nobody that designed the fairy ring to be in a circle. It just happens that way naturally.
sunset261 1 year ago
William Buckley, "No, because I believe that there are mysteries. And that it is impossible to parse all of God's movements by applying to them the substantially resourcelessness of our own minds. Can I account for the five-year-old who before we finish tonight will have fallen in from a rooftop and be killed? No, I can't account for it. On the other hand, I don't think that -- I don't think that the abundance of incidents of that kind causes -- are sufficient grounds for rejecting revelation."
stagn41 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth if there was a god he would look at you and go "you know nothing of my work"
phoenixofdeth 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth anything not random is created by an intelligent being? What basis do you have for that? Random just means that it's unpredictable. On what basis do you say that anything not random is created by an intelligence? There is no observable intelligence that makes gravity happen yet we can predict based on observation that if we drop something, it will fall. And don't say, "but god made gravity" because that is assuming your conclusion.
sunset261 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth But nobody is saying that reality's existence is random. The truth is the we don't have a full understanding of why th universe came to be. But that doesn't grant any validity to positing that some perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful, intelligent being did it.
sunset261 1 year ago
O Reilly good sir. Is that what I heard? You say there is no explanation for why there are tides. Well I’m afraid myself and anyone by yours or my sides. Could explain this to you as simple as that. There is this thing called the moon which handles that fact. Now please in due time. Try to comprehend my rhyme. There is no ill will towards you. I’m trying to enlighten what’s true.
Icerama108 1 year ago
What a moron. Surely this imbecile understands what O'Reilly is saying. O'Reilly was simply saying that structure and order in the universe cannot be explained without admitting a Prime Mover or Creator. William Buckley responded to a group of retarded evolutionist in much the same way once when he told them something to the effect that "at this time a 5 year old child is going to die an untimely death". Buckley asked, "How can that be explained?".
Psalm 14:1 "The fool says there is no God."
stagn41 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth Atheists don't define circular reasoning, we follow the actual definition. The objective base of origin is reality. Reality is objective. That doesn't mean that an all-powerful, all-knowing being created it. 1+1=2 isn't a random fact, it's just based on the observation of our objective reality. Geometry comes from observation of the objective reality of shapes. Plus, geometry is the measure of shapes, not of earth.
sunset261 1 year ago
The fact that something is presently unexplainable via science is not evidence of religion/the supernatural. Bill O'Reilly actually inadvertently demonstrates this by giving an example of something that was once mysterious but is now explained by physics.
He must think that tide charts are produced by prophets rather than people that track moon cycles.
xXarkyleXx 1 year ago
Faith goes in, brain goes out.
muzvh1 1 year ago 4
@muzvh1 That's a great response... I'm stealing that!
temsi 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth Just a couple things.
1. Randomness and objective truth aren't mutually exclusive. Randomness very easily could be an objective truth(It doesn't matter if it is or not, just that it could be) Math doesn't even enter into it.
2. Circular reasoning means that the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one or more of the premises. It has nothing to do with athiests definitions, but the actual definition
MrSchnuffs 1 year ago
Tide goes in, tide goes out. CHECK MATE ATHEISTS!
WildcardHatesYou 1 year ago 2
You can't explain that? Moon. Umm even if we couldn't explain it, why would that give creedence to any other belief? Bill needs to take a remedial course in logic and reasoning.
HumaninSeoul 1 year ago
I thought Olbermann was going to pull a DBZ Abridge Piccolo and screamed "MOOOOOOOOON!!!" LOL
On a serious note, did O' Reily dropped out of preschool to get his job?
akumaten 1 year ago
You expect TIDE GOES OUT TIDE GOES OUT AGAIN!?!?!?!
ROFL
AForsakenHero 1 year ago
R.I.O Keith Olberman... I know he's not dead but they still killed him...
bugninja80 1 year ago
Why do some Christians think some Atheists need to have an explanation for everything, or think they have indisputable evidence that there is no god? Maybe we just don't care, and have better things to worry about in our lives?
pissed7off 1 year ago 41
@pissed7off Maybe because it's about time we put these stone age stories to bed once and for all instead of letting them influence our societies and actions?
BeardedBill86 1 year ago
@BeardedBill86
Because it's not going to happen? It's not up to you what others choose to believe in.
The world needs more Alice Coopers than George W. Bushes, aka. people who keep their faiths to themselves (Alice), and people who don't even if they're not allowed to (George).
pissed7off 1 year ago
@pissed7off If that was all it was then it wouldn't be a problem.
I consider the indoctrination of children however, mental abuse, and I consider the mixing of religion into state matters or the exemption of religion from tax, criminal whether it is currently legally recognised as such or not.
BeardedBill86 1 year ago
@pissed7off or maybe the claim that there is a god is the positive claim and therefore the burden of proof isn't on the person not making the claim?
woah!
wait... my statement is right. And this has been known ever since aristotle's time.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD
So it's up to me to prove that God doesn't exist so that I have the right not to believe in Him?
pissed7off 1 year ago
@pissed7off which one?
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD
I don't have to prove anything. I don't believe in a higher power.
pissed7off 1 year ago
@pissed7off my first comment towards you was sarcasm.
@zach055 If you cannot prove a positive, that doesn't prove the negative. It leaves it as an unknown.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
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@pissed7off "Why do some Christians think some Atheists need to have an explanation for everything,..."
Yes and science keeps finding answers so the goalposts get moved back. I am waiting for the day when someone says "I lost my car keys, do you know where they are?" and when I admit that I do not, they will claim that as a proof of God.
AlanCFA 1 year ago
@pissed7off Ha ha, yeah...a lot of atheists take it on faith....asking an atheist to prove there is no God is just like asking a theist to prove there is one. That's why I like to cop-out and take the agnostic route. From a bumper sticker: "I'm a militant agnostic....I don't know, and you don't, either."
cocacola443 9 months ago
@pissed7off "Maybe we just don't care, and have better things to worry about in our lives"
That has NEVER been an Atheist standpoint. Find me one article where an intelligent Atheist states that they "just don't care" or "have better things to worry about" about any one thing.
Jallandhara 5 months ago
@Jallandhara No, an atheist standpoint is "I don't believe in any god".
It is NOT "I need to have %100 proof that there is no god to justify myself". Atheists don't have to justify shit, they just don't believe. You're mistaking "atheist" for "arrogant asshole".
pissed7off 5 months ago
@pissed7off No. An Atheist claims that there is no evidence to lead them to believe that there is a God. They do not claim that there is no God.
Jallandhara 5 months ago
@Jallandhara No. The only requirement of an atheist is lack of belief. It's in the morphology of the word. There is no intellectual prerequisite for Atheism... or any prerequisite at all, for that matter.
pissed7off 5 months ago
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Yeah Keith the moon does cause the tide to go in and out, but where did the moon come from? Where did the Sun come from? That's a question that atheists have no answer for.
LowellDevil 1 year ago
@LowellDevil Well, the Sun condensed from a proto-stellar cloud of hydrogen and helium some 4,6 billion years ago, and the Moon was formed about 100,000 years later when the early Earth was hit by a large object. No big mystery there, neighbor.
Vitoldian 1 year ago 22
@LowellDevil
Sure many atheists may not be able to answer that.... except for those of us who completed high school physics. the explinations are extremely simple. Oh, and even if there was answer (gravity pulling together particle mass, if you want a simple explanation) it does not prove that the christian god exists. Logic fail.
evkero 1 year ago 4
@LowellDevil
The moon came from a collision of a meteor and Earth. The sun came from a cloud of gases and particles that over millions of years formed a central mass and later became a star.
Scientists, not necessarily atheists, have answers to all these types of questions. Tides, stars, moons, and planets are VERY easy to explain with Science and not so easy to explain with a magic man in the clouds.
thegodlessape 1 year ago 2
@LowellDevil You know there are some pretty decent theories out there that you should give an honest look. Weighing these testable theories may be less comforting than knowing your chosen "truth"; but in the end I find it much more palatable than an unfalsifiable god, that seems to be more of a projection of ones ego than anything else.
maj0rm0le 1 year ago
@LowellDevil You know there are some pretty decent theories out there that you should give an honest look. Weighing these, testable, theories may be less comforting than knowing your chosen "truth"; but in the end I find it much more palatable than an unfalsifiable god, that seems to be more of a projection of ones ego than anything else.
maj0rm0le 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth God made atheist, as proof that he wants us to know he does not exist. ( <=== an example of creationist logic)
masluxx 1 year ago
one person is bill oreily
cassern0 1 year ago
Oh man the oceans tides. That one's been a doozy!
Can you believe, before Bill O'Reilly came along, we actually used to think the tides came along because the gravitational pull exerted by the moon differed between the surface and floor of the ocean! Oh man, did those scientists have us fooled!
witzig89 1 year ago
@witzig89 he obviously failed science. 7th grade science. A few short minutes using google would solve this riddle for Mr O'Reilly.
LostManSays 1 year ago
the life span of the top wage when up because than likely they have a better education and know to eat right exorcise take care of themselves instead of eating at burger king
FunLovingCriminals77 1 year ago
@FunLovingCriminals77
"because than likely they have a better education and know to eat right exorcise take care of themselves instead of eating at burger king"
Yes, "fat, sugar, & salt are bad" was my major in college...no wait, I learned that before I went to kindergarden. It is more like, "sugar & high fat foods like meat & cheese are subsidized, so they are very cheap and all a lot of lower income people can afford; eg, eating at Burger King"
Then there is that no health care thing
Hopeful71 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth A=A is not circular reasoning. Circular reasoning would be A=C because A=C. A=A because A does not equal A would be a logical contradiction. Just because something is objective means that an all powerful, intelligent being created it? No it's just an objective observation of how the world around us works. There is no logical string from, "This has an objective pattern" to "therefore it was created by an all-powerful, all-knowing, intelligent creator"
sunset261 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth measurement counting and logic work because A. measurement and counting are just us giving a value to the quantity of something. Then we combine that with logic, which is based off of self-evident truths such as a=a. You seem to think that us atheists claim that there is not god, the majority of atheists do not. We merely don't think that there's enough evidence to believe that claim that there is a god. we say there could be one but we have no reason to think there is one.
sunset261 1 year ago
@sunset261 Atheists reject Christianity first and foremost. When you hear Atheists speak it generally bible attacks (Dawkins /Hitchens). To discuss the idea that the universe is conscious is a different conversation. Think of the amount of internet information floating through the air. Consider that the natural energy around us contains information in the same way. Think of an airplane compared to a bird. Flight uses the same laws of physics. Look at nature's way vs man way.
xrock4 1 year ago
@xrock4 we reject christianity based on a lack of confirming evidence, we don't make the claim that we are 100% sure that there isn't a god. We normally attack the bible because it is the eminently dominant religious text used is the societies that we live in. Natural energy? As opposed to man made energy? There isn't any energy that isn't natural, can't be created nor destroyed remember? Natures way is superior to man's way because we learn by studying nature.
sunset261 1 year ago
@sunset261 Yes nature is part of god in the same way we are. It has a real spirit. The Natives are right. The forest is alive and knows its there. These are levels of consciousness. There are hidden messages in Christianity. Remember what they did with people who went against the flow? Think of the holy trinity as God (The Universe) Jesus (The Sun) The Holy Spirit (The Earth [Also called the mother earth) That's not in the bible. It was created later. Why did they hide that message in there?
xrock4 1 year ago
@xrock4 i dont think referring to thousand year old texts is the best place to be deciphering hidden messages. everything that was known thousands of years ago, we have a better understanding of today.
commerceskate 1 year ago
@commerceskate That's your mistake. The human brain has been the same size for 100 000 years. The human's then were as intelligent as humans now. The night sky was not lit by city lights it was clear and the stars stretched out awe inspiring every night. They watched and studied just as we do now. To disregard all the work done then because you think we are so much smarter is arrogance.
xrock4 1 year ago
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@xrock4 "everything that was known thousands of years ago, we have a better understanding of today." i made this statement, and i still stand by it 110%. we are A LOT smarter than humans in biblical times...are you serious right now? ...are you trying to suggest they knew as much about the cosmos as we do now? i really hope so because that would be hilarious. (of course you wont say that now though haha)
commerceskate 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth No real reason why math should work? Um, we developed mathematics. We derive it from measurements and from logical reasoning. It's a field of study. It's not like we've known mathematics for all of time. Essentially mathematics work because we made it to work and we can confirm that it works through measurement, counting, and logic. The ultimate point is to know more about the universe so we can apply that knowledge to our lives.
sunset261 1 year ago
@VisualVideoTruth Then why didn't he mention the origin of the universe? He was talking about how the events seemingly repeat themselves the same way over and over again. And yes, we CAN explain how events happen. He also wouldn't have said "never a miscommunication" as if cognizant things are collaborating to make the tides move when it's just gravity.. Since when do atheists say the universe is just bleh. Carl Sagan did an entire TV series on the universe. Was it bleh to him?
sunset261 1 year ago
.....i lol'd
woodywdpckr 1 year ago
Moon! Tide moon make..moon make tide!! :P
funkymonkeylovergirl 1 year ago 26
watch?v=MS6m2A_3V04
totally reminds me of that.
AdamBomb669 1 year ago
@funkymonkeylovergirl LOL
commerceskate 1 year ago
@funkymonkeylovergirl And the rotation of the earth, thank you!
rhov233 1 year ago
how come muslim terrorist murderers never make the list ???
dks13827 1 year ago
@dks13827 This list is satire (Notice the 'not really' right next to the picture)?
HolyTacoProductions 1 year ago
I cant believe an atheist couldnt explain it to that overextended monkey. Though his posters were not too thoughtfull either
ShalloeThought 1 year ago
He he he .. I hadn't heard the "you can't explain that" bit before.. LOLz!
8DX 1 year ago
You know, I thought David Silverman was being a bit of an asshole, so I was kind of expecting to agree with Bill O'Reilly when watching the debate. Then he constantly interrupts David Silvermann, and says something as stupid as what he just did
BlackWolf4830 1 year ago
On a few other occassions he also added "Sun goes up, Sun goes down...", I´m not kidding. It was for example in the Richard Dawkins interview:
watch?v=2FARDDcdFaQ
supawooky 1 year ago
O'Reilly is right though.
Here's some more proof for the existence of God:
Sun rises, sun sets, can't explain that.
Jump up, fall down, can't explain that.
Hahaha, Although it's scary they exist, I love ignorami like O'Reilly.
LanteanKnight 1 year ago
Seriously? That is O'Reilly's argument on this subject? OMG that is the most ridiculous thing he has ever said, and that is quite a feat to be sure. WOW, Bill O go pick up a jr. high science book and read it.
flofanatic1 1 year ago
"Just because science doesn't know everything doesn't mean that you can fill in the gaps with whatever fairy tale most appeals to you"
desager1 1 year ago 2
The worst person in the world is this US hater commie bastard---> Olberman.
braintnt 1 year ago
@braintnt How does he hate the US?
lehman 1 year ago
it is really sad that in this day and age people still believe in silly superstition like religion. it really goes to show how stupid and easily manipulated people are. its a crying shame indeed.
firesoul87 1 year ago
I can imagine someone making O"Reilly's statement about the tides being hard to explain in ... oh, I don't know ... maybe 1311 ... but only an idiot would make such a statement in 2011.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
not gonna lie ..little disappointed that Silverman said 'maybe it was thor..' (which btw, wouldn't be living on top of mt. olympus >_>). he could have just said 'moon you asshat'
was priceless nonetheless tho :D
happylinnetful 1 year ago 5
Olbermann is obsessed with O'Reilly .
hanksnow82 1 year ago
best part of that was Silverman's look of disbelief. Just a pure "What the fuck...?" look.
donaldubh 1 year ago 5
WTF is a moon?!
bosshog7169 1 year ago
What is really sad about Bill's rationale is that he is so intellectually and spiritually anorexic. As a Christian your proof that there is a God should be your personal relationship with Him and what He's done in your life, not "tide goes in, tide goes out" because you can't explain a natural phenomenon. I knew when I was like 10 that the gravitational force of the moon causes that. SMH
hottesthotboi 1 year ago
"Tide goes In Tide Goes out" LOL!!! Bill O the clown
Lettermaniacs 1 year ago
Why couldn't Silverman just stop ranting and say, "WAIT! Listen! Are you saying you do not know the moon causes our ocean tides?!?"
BruDiggity 1 year ago
MOON
Chriskon420 1 year ago
How gullible and stupid does a person have to be to believe a word that comes out of dumbermanns mouth? Pretty gullible and stupid. He took O'Reilly out of context to disguise O'Reilly's point that gravity is invisible too, yet we believe in it. O'Reilly's point was shallow and silly so why lie about what he meant? Anyone who trusts Dumbermann to be honest is a fool.
BriansVideoHobby 1 year ago
@BriansVideoHobby
That video clip was NOT taken out of context. Its completely in context dude
Babylauncher3000 1 year ago
@Babylauncher3000 Nope. Olberman obviously cut the "invisible man" statement to keep simpletons like yourself from deciphering the actual intent of the statement.
BriansVideoHobby 1 year ago
@BriansVideoHobby
Yep, saying "an invisible man done it " isn't an explanation for something. And explaining HOW something happens is the the same as explaining WHY it happens. Tides are caused by the moon and the sun and the rotation of the earth.
Remembermylai 1 year ago 2
@BriansVideoHobby O'Reilly never made that point in the entire interview. You're saying what YOU want his point to be because it's the point YOU would have made, perhaps. But, like religion, wishing it were true doesn't make it so.
PerilocutionAZ09 1 year ago
@PerilocutionAZ09 He's made the same point many times as have many others. I think it's a stupid and irrelevant point but, regardless, O'Reilly knows how tidal forces work and only a moron thinks otherwise. He's a fool at times but he's not stupid.
BriansVideoHobby 1 year ago
Obey is sophomoric clown. He only has a bachelors degree and ZERO real life work experience. Pompous douchebag.
woodycoat 1 year ago
I don't think this clip really shows what O'Reilly was trying to say to be fair. You would have to see the whole exchange.
sh4rpsh0t33 1 year ago
@sh4rpsh0t33 I saw the whole interview... it is pretty accurate. He apparently has no knowledge of gravity. But since gravity is just a theory, maybe he's on to something....
falor42 1 year ago
@falor42 It can't be infered by this clip that he wasen't speaking metaphorically. I am just throwing that out there.
sh4rpsh0t33 1 year ago
i pissed myself laughing at the 2 priceless faces of Oblermann and Silverman. :D
happylinnetful 1 year ago 2
The essential message of religion is that eternal suffering awaits those who question God's infinite love.
- Bill Hicks
nootron 1 year ago 3
"tides goes in,tide goes out"
"tides goes in,tide goes out"
"tides goes in,tide goes out"
-LMFAO HeHe
SouthwindPOR 1 year ago
Fucking tides, how do they work?
lol
SouthwindPOR 1 year ago 2
Moon.
sierrabravo 1 year ago 4
How does a man like O'reilly get a career like this?
Sinnessa 1 year ago 4
God prepares the tide tables and hands them down to the weather bureau
1940jan 1 year ago
Eternal, unbiased, perfect, absolute proof, billo is a fucking uneducated MORON.
Darkfirebrand 1 year ago 9
Even when I was little we lived on the water and my grandmom had a tide thermometer that showed what hight the tide would be depending on the phase of the moon. All my life I knew the tides were tied to the moons rotation around the earth. How can you not know about this. As a small child I knew this. What an idiot.
GiveMeYourAsians 1 year ago 5
@GiveMeYourAsians And you believe Dumbermann isn't, one again, editing a video to deceive you, why?
BriansVideoHobby 1 year ago
@BriansVideoHobby Feel free to watch Bills interview Dave Silverman. The clip was shown with exactly as much context as it needed.
megahirosheb 1 year ago
@megahirosheb I have. He was addressing Silverman's "invisible man" claim.
BriansVideoHobby 1 year ago
@BriansVideoHobby "Dumbermann?" ARe you fucking serious? Couldn't you at least try a pun? Dope-berman or something?
RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77 1 year ago
@BriansVideoHobby
I watched the whole interview....there was nothing else to show. It really was that bad.
NaturalLili 1 year ago
@NaturalLili Silverman made a point about praying to an "invisible man" and O'Reilly was countering with an explanation of gravity being invisible yet we believe in it. He's made this argument before. He was interrupted and returned to his train of thought. That's why Dumberman cut the invisible man statement.
BriansVideoHobby 1 year ago
@BriansVideoHobby "O'Reilly was countering with an explanation of gravity being invisible yet we believe in it." And that is just as stupid as his moon statement, so good job on showing how stupid O'retard is. We know gravity exists because of observations, your invisible sky daddy is "supernatural" meaning unobservable, so he is still stupid.
desager1 1 year ago
@desager1 Tides, not moon.
desager1 1 year ago
@desager1 Whether O'Reilly is stupid or not, Olbermann is a deceiver and he cut the video to deceive you. That's my only point. Of course, anyone with any skills of observation already knows that. Whatever you want to say about O'Reilly, he's still a 1000 times more honest than Olberman.
BriansVideoHobby 1 year ago
@BriansVideoHobby
"O'Reilly was countering with an explanation of gravity being invisible yet we believe in it"
I can't see microwaves, so how do they cook my food and bring me tv shows? Explain that SCIENCE!
Remembermylai 1 year ago
@Remembermylai I never said I agreed with his point, just that he had a point, and Olberman is being deceitful once again.
BriansVideoHobby 1 year ago
...and all those who watch Fox, that was a Bill O'Reilly "Gotcha Moment"
misuiu64 1 year ago
@misuiu64 No, that was an Olbermann "deceived ya moment".
BriansVideoHobby 1 year ago
I am an atheist and what disapoints me the most about this video is the fact that David Silverman couldn't explain the tides and he thought Thor lived on Mt. Olympus. Thor is a God from Norse mythology, not Greek Mythology. Atheism is susposed to be founded on scientific evidence. Why is someone heading an atheist organization with little knowledge of science and religion?
JOHNLENNONWINZ 1 year ago
@JOHNLENNONWINZ
"Atheism is susposed to be founded on scientific evidence."
no, it's not. It's simply a lack of belief in god, how you arrive to that conclusion COULD be completely irrational.
Tarantulus666 1 year ago 3
@JOHNLENNONWINZ It's called sarcasm. I'm hoping you're not serious.
AlonTavor 1 year ago
I have seen this on just about every news website I have visited.
JOHNLENNONWINZ