A lot of these people didn't get along because of their HUGE egos. Even today people who hate each other have to work together. I saw a popular singing group split up at the best time of their career because they just couldn't get along. How sad is that? If women would just learn to stay in their place things would go a lot more smoother in most situations...they just bring drama to everything they touch. Women always feel they have to be right. Many of them don't even like each other.
From all accounts I have read, Frawley was OK to work with on My Three Sons before serious illness set in. When he was replaced, he badmouthed a lot of the people, but that is to be expected when you are forced off and in pain. A better way to remember Frawley is the drinking buddy who overheard Don Grady wanted a surfboard for his birthday. Knowing nothing about them, Frawley snooped around and presented Don with a top of the line model which was the envy of all at the time.
At least his last TV appearance was with his favorite girl. Eases the pain of losing him. He loved her all the way back to her MGM days. (Not romantically!)
This was obviously made without Viv. I was on a My Three Sons website and Stan Livingston said the feeling about Viv was mutual. Bill despised Viv. Stan said Bill would have Don, and himself chuck pots and pans from the kitchen set onto the walls where The Lucy Show was filmed to aggrivate Viv. She apparently was overheard by Bill when I Love Lucy started production " He's old enough to play my Father." Stan said he liked Bill, he thought of him as a Grandfather figure.
2- I don't care if Viv and Bill hated each other for me they will always be the Ethel and Fred Mertz that I know that liked to insult (with some kind of love) each other. Wheter Bill and Viv hated it they just fit right. Sometimes in TV some actors love each other but they have a bad chemistry or they hate each other and then have a beautiful chemistry. Its how it is :D ILOVELUCY ♥
1-Of Course Viv & Lucy had some disaggrements, like any best friends. But they always never could speak to each other because they went through too much together. Vivian Vance is personnally my inspiration. She's the best . But she had 2 sides ; a good and a bad . She could be generous and warm and perfectionist. While sometimes she could on the defensive ( mean ). Lucy and Viv just completed each other. its simple cause Lucy wasnt afraid to say what she felt and thought . Friends
@fightback38 do not know why in them days guys always looked older than the woman now it has turned around both now look about the same age except for the woman always get some kind of face life or plastic surgery
Ann Sothern pinch hit for Vivian Vance in this episode.Gale Gordon was supposed to be the original Fred Mertz but Desi and the writers vetoed Lucy's request.MS Vance was so repulsed and loathed Frawley that she would upchuck before rehearsals..it was true and printed in Frawleys contract that he had permission to attend all World Series Games which would hold up production of the I Love Lucy Show.Thank goodness there were no extra rounds of Playoffs in those days.
@snoops71 There was no video playback in the 50's.Flubs, blown lines were kept in.If a scene was totally out of control, The director would start the whole story over at the beginning.Same held true for soaps.Those actors had to be focused in those days.Vivian knew what was at stake. Messing up lines was very costly.Frawley was her nemisis.
Carol Burnett changed all that with the improtu laughter in comedy sketches in the late 1960's.
You have got to love this. That is comedy the way it is supposed to be. I just wish they would remember that and show more of these classics as reruns. They are just priceless.
Frawley was a big Yankee fan, I believe he had it written in his contract that when the Yankees were in the World Series he was allowed to miss rehearsals
Bill was not in the best of health when he filmed this: in fact, because of his declining health, he had to be written out of "MY THREE SONS" in early 1965 {"Bub" takes a trip to Iceland, never to be heard from or seen again}, and William Demarest {as "Uncle Charlie", "Bub's" brother} took his place.
"You know he reminds me of someone I used to know?" Ha! Ha! I get a kick out of these TV in-jokes. What happened ? Did Mrs. Ricardo divorce Ricky and change both her maiden and married names to "Carmichael?" Lol.
Vivian apparently resented that fact that she had to play the wife of someone so much older then she. I have a feeling there was more to it than that. Sometimes people just don't click. I've heard he called her the C word once. She referred to him as an old fuddy duddy. Viv and Lucy didn't get along that great in the beginning either
This was his last tv appearance, he died the next year from a heart attack.
In an interview, Doris Singleton, who played Carolyn Appleby stated Bill got to set and said his lines fast and right so that he wouldn't need to take many takes with Vivian.
I've heard Bill and Viv hated each other, Lucy and Desi didn't like each other and Lucy and Viv were on bad terms.
I always wondered if Viv and Desi got along fine, what about Bill and Lucy? Bill and Desi?
@Maserati777 the only story I heard was that Bill and Viv hated each other. Lucy and Desi's marriage started to crumble at the end of I Love Lucy. Lucy and Viv were basically best friends. I've read Lucille Ball's autobiography and she says this herself. Oh and the other duos, Viv/Desi, Bill/Lucy were pretty compatible. When Bill saw Lucy on stage during Wildcat on Broadway in 1960, it made him cry because of how skinny she had become.
@Maserati777 Bill and Desi were great friends, Lucy and Viv warmed up to each other later after a few months, Viv and Desi I don't know, but Bill and Viv definately hated each other and that makes their on screen chemistry that much greater ! You can find these information on the book laugh luck and lucy written by Jess Oppenheimer the head writer of the show.
I had a feeling all the way back in the 60s when I was only 6 in 1967 that Vivian Vance didn't like William Frawley because she didn't appear in this episode with him, even though I knew she wasn't appearing in every episode of The Lucy Show at this time.
I don't understand why Viv was so much against playing opposite of Bill because of his age. It was not Bill's fault. It was Desi and Lucille's decision to cast him in the role of Fred Mertz.
Bill was by far the best of the 4 I Love Lucy stars when it came to non-physical comedy. His deadpan snarking was the perfect compliment to the more phyisical acts of the other characters.
@HepburnFlicks she was not- she just never got over the fact she was cast with an older man on the I Love Lucky show, and she pushed that bitterness onto Bill, who returned it. very sad.
@HepburnFlicks No, Vivian Vance had retired from the show in 1965, cause it was taking a toll on her marriage, since she had to commute back and forth from Connecticut to California to do the show, and if she had heard that William Frawley was gonna appear I think she would've flatly refused to be in the same room with him.
@frankd1965 When Desi hired him for I Love Lucy, he had heard all the stories of Frawley being a drunk and he told him, "If you ever show up for work drunk, you're gone." And he never did.
William Frawley was reported as saying THIS about Vivian Vance: "I think she's one of the greatest gals to come out of Cherryvale, Kansas (Vance's birthplace), but sometimes I wish she'd have stayed there!"
He was was noted as calling Desi Arnaz "A Cuban heel" and calling Lucille Ball and Vivian Vance "a couple of brass-bound bi*ches"!
ALSO, when Bill Frawley had passed away in March of 1966, Vivian Vance was out at a restaurant dining with friends and when she received the news of Frawley's death, she ordered champagne for EVERYONE IN THE HOUSE!
Everyone knows Vivian Vance and William Frawley hated each other. It's common knowledge. I knew Viv's sister. She confirmed a lot of things. Among the things that she confirmed was Vance and Frawley (besides really disliking each other) were from the old school. True pros. You had a part to play and you did it! No matter what you thought about the co-star.
And boy, did they pull it off!
Lucy, Desi, Viv and Bill - Still the best cast in TV sit-com history!
@oranger2525 Desi Arnaz stated, shortly before he passed on, that the "hatred" between Vance and Frawley had been blown out of proportion by the media. He said that it was not so much a dislike of each other as it was the characters they were given to play, and the fact that Vance was playing the wife of someone nearly old enough to be her father.
@oranger2525 , You should be a pro if your a actor or actress and work with someone you hate..yes your bound to meet and work with people you don't get along with but as you said they both were from the old school and were true pros and worked together really well no matter their personnal thoughts about each other.
@oranger2525 I recall reading in a tabloid, that vance would be so upset after a day dealing with him,that she would pull over to the side of the road to throw up.
@oranger2525 I have to laugh when I hear a TV star gushing praises on a co-star and saying that they just adore each other. One actor went so far as to say that unless performers genuinely like each other, it is impossible to play comedy together. Well, Bill Frawley and Vivian Vance surely disproved that idea!! They were professionals who didn't let their personal feelings affect their performances. Good for them!
@ncdude367 I think in movies, TV, live theater there have always been costars that didn't get along. But the Vance-Frawley "hate" just seems to be one that many people know of and it's been confirmed many times. And from what I heard, I shoud take the quotes of the word hate.
@rh117 YES THEY DID - and when "I Love Lucy" ended its run in 1957, CBS was interested in doing a spinoff starring the characters of the Mertzes - Bill Frawley was all for the idea, but Vivian Vance wasn't, no matter how much money they offered her to do it - I read somewhere that Bill Frawley was angry at her for a long time after this -
@rh117 and since there wasn't going to be a spinoff, Desi and Lucy continued playing the Ricardos, and Vivian and Bill kept playing the Mertzes in the special one-hour Lucy-Desi specials, that lasted through 1960, when Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz divorced-
@Laurentia02, when the 'I love Lucy' series began Vivian Vance was about 42 years old. William Frawley was about 64 years old. But yeah you're right, they couldn't stand each other.
@MIKESOWELL It sad really,because Vivian was a great actress and comedienne( which Lucille Ball admitted herself *ahem to the people calling her greedy*)but she had a god-awful personality.I also read somewhere(don't know if it's true) that every week when she got her script,she would skim through it to see how many scenes she had to do with that "stubborn little Irishman".But I have to give both of them credit,because on the screen,they did an amazing job together.
@Laurentia02 , where are you getting that Vivian "had a god-awful personality"? I know someone who worked with her and thought she was great. Others who worked with her who I have heard speak about her felt the same. Just because she didn't get along with this one person, William Frawley, (who by most accounts wasn't always the most pleasant person to be around) doesn't mean she had a "god-awful personality." We're all human. Even the nicest people don't necessarily get along with everyone.
@Laurentia02 Yeah, it is good that they were always professional when it came to their jobs. Did you hear about how allegedly when Vance heard of Frawley's death while she was at a bar or restaurant, she exclaimed, "Drinks are on me"?
@MIKESOWELL Yeah,I know,but I hope that isn't true.
@Beejjjjj:Listen,I don't base my dislike for her on the fact that she didn't like Frawley,I'm not that stupid.I just read some quotes online and read a lot about her and she's not my kind of person.But she was very talented,as I said before,and I LOVED her as Ethel.I also don't appreciate her calling Lucy "a bitch",even if it was a joke.I don't see the humor in it.
@MIKESOWELL I read somewhere that, when she received a script for an upcoming episode, she read through it and discovered that Fred and Ethel would have to do a dialogue in bed together - on her way to rehearsal, she had to pull over to the side of the road and vomit, because just the thought of getting in bed with Frawley made her sick to her stomach - literally!!!
This was a wasted opportunity for Lucille Ball and William Frawley to interact one last time, but they don't even speak to each other in this scene. It's a shame that the fabulous foursome never reunited in front of a television audience.
My grandfather was called Fred or Bill Frawley cause he looked like him. Now looking at this, i see that even near the end of both of their lives, they looked soo much like each other it was scary
In reference to the comment on Frawley's applause not lasting longer I am suspect of the idea that Ball probably capped the applause as she appears not to have liked other actors taking away from her presence (if you question this statement just look how Vivian Vance's part on the show continually diminished until she disappeared altogether).
@rob4791 That was not due to Lucys greed, it was because Vivian lived on the East Coast with her husband and got tired of traveling back and forth. Vivian decided not continue with the show. Therefore, I very much doubt that.
Just applause? It didn't seem to last long. You would think that someone like him would have had a much longer applause with crazy cheering as well. Still glad to see he did receive some time of notice.
I wish Vivian Vance was in this and when Lucy said he reminds her of someone she used to know, Vivian said "Yea tell me about it" and rolled her eyes.
The Official Second Season Of "The Lucy Show," Lucy's second series is being released on DVD July 13, 2010! So everyone go out and buy it so that the third season is released quickly! It is in Color! and is hilarious, it also co-stars Vivian Vance(Ethel)!
@ChandlerandMonica83 This was his last TV appearance, he died just a little while after that episode. By the way, The official second season of The Lucy Show is being released on July 13, 2010! It co-stars Vivian Vance and it's in color! You can pre-order it on amazon.
Thankyou!!!:) I am definitely getting it! Does anyone know the name of Desi Arnaz Sr.'s book he wrote? Was it called I still Love Lucy? Not quite sure, thanks in advance! xx
I think this one of his last appearances on TV before he passed away... He really aged more by this appearance on the Lucy show....... on I love lucy he was old but looked a lot better.
During Bill frawley's years on television; there was a stipulation in his contract that stated he was aloud time off for the World series of Baseball for the entire duration. One year he held up production of I love lucy for 2 weeks.Other shows were aired as Mr. Paley (Pres. of CBS )was up in arms...
What an awesome clip! Bill Frawley added such zest on Lucy and wasn't half bad on MTS. I always thought Demerest had a longer tenure as Uncle Charlie. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.
@NYVoice William Frawley was Great in My Three Sons and should have gotten an award for his wonderful Bub character. The show was never as good without him.
It's interesting to note that i remember William Demerest more than I do Bill Frawley. But Demerest always seemed to be looking for a fight even in the happiest times. MacMurray should have kicked Uncle Charlie's a** big time.
I always wondered if he made an appearance on that show! I remember looking for hours on-line with episodes and trying to track anything down.. Now the .56 seconds I'd spent a couple thousand of trying to find! Thank you very much for posting this!!!
i wonder if in the story world she really didnt keep in touch with the mertzes anymore. thats sad cause they were good friends for so long. why would she have lost contact
Lucy Carmichael was a different character from Lucy Ricardo, and she never would've known the Mertzes. Vivian Vance's character was named Vivian Bagley, and she was no Ethel Mertz either. In fact she was one of tv's first divorcees, and it was said that audiences thought her criticisms of her ex-husband were funnier because people thought she was putting down Fred Mertz, even though she wasn't.
I've never seen that episode, thank you for sharing. So true that he deserves more recognition, he was funny. The four of them were great, I miss them too. I wish Desi would have made a guest appearance on one of Lucy's shows, especially with their kids. All four of them on the same show just once.
I liked William Frawley from the first time I saw him on 'I Love Lucy'.I honestly think he was better than Desi Arnaz or Vivian Vance(who I don't like because of how mean she was).
I also saw him side by side with Chaplin in the awesome 'Monsieur Verdoux' and he was great in that too.
@Laurentia02 Word was Vivian Vance was a classic actressand hated being second fiddle in a comedy. Frawley, himself a heavy drinker, despised her. It was mutual.
@rextony22 Well,as I understand it,Viv was a bit bitter because she thought Frawley was too old to play her husband in the show(she was 30 and he was almost 60 years old) .They did not get along and William's drinking problem added to the feud.
Anyway,I hope that answers your question.I guess Vivian didn't enjoy being in someone else's shadow(Lucy) and she was a bit bitchy.Rumor has it that when she heard that William Frawley died,she ordered champagne at a restaurant for everyone.Sad,isn't it?
@Laurentia02 Desi said everybody was telling him not to hire Bill and that Bill was an alcoholic but Desi said he knew Bill was perfect for the role. They had an agreement - if Bill showed up drunk or missed a taping for anything other than a legit reason (ex. he's decided to get drunk) that would be it. Desi said that never happened. I don't think liquor factored into their dislike of each other. Frawley didn't like Viv because he overheard her making disparaging remarks about him.
@Laurentia02 , Vivian was 42 at the start of I LOVE LUCY, not 30. And William Frawley was 64. It's true Vivian Vance thought William Frawley was too old to play her husband, but he had already been given the part before Vivian was cast. So she took the part knowing he would be playing her husband. Supposedly their relationship went south early on when Vivian had to sing in a scene on the show, and during rehearsals, Vivian overheard Frawley make a nasty remark about her singing.
@Beejjjjjj actually it was Vivian who first made the remark that sent their relationship south. Frawley overheard her complaining about having Frawley play her on-screen husband and she called him"that old man." After that they hated each other immensely.
He deliberately hesitates because he was, in his mind, laughing at her snobbery and ready to put her in her place by calling her a "dame".
William Frawley was a master at what he did ! Underestimated in his contribution to Lucy.......I think he should be recognized in equal standing with the other three..Lucy..Desi..Vivian. We need a book about him too!
never on i love lucy. towards the end of my three sons he was too sick to really work and they had to use cue cards, unfortunately. often he would fall asleep during production of MTS and it would be the job of a production assistant to yank his pantleg, which would cue him to wake up to say his line. it was sad and he went down hill fast.
Yeah, true it was a quintessential role for Bill Frawley, and Desi Arnaz told him point blank not to drink anymore and if he did he'd be off the show so freakin fast.
@ccm2songs He and Alice Pearce passed away around the same time back in 1966. I remember reading the newspaper article 'Hollywood Loses Two Comedians'.
@ccm2songs Agreed!! Sad life he had though, died practically alone except for his male nurse, poor guy was married once and divorced with no kids....poor guy God Bless Him
OK so Viv and Bill Frawley did not get along. No big deal.
I am sure that they were always professional and after all they created real magic on stage with Lucy and Desi. They had a good thing going and I doubt they ever let their feelings ever really get in the way of that on screen chemistry!
Notice that the horse got a little "spooked" when the audience greeted Frawley with an ovation, and Ann Southern had to hang onto the reins to keep him in place.
Just to repeat what others have said before: Thanks so much for posting this. I've been looking for this for a long time.
Lucy wanted Gale Gordon and Bea Benederet. BUT the network brass wouldn't let Gordon out of his contract with Our Miss Brooks, and Bea was doing another show. Bea went on to play Aunt Pearl on the Beverly Hillbillies. Frawely approached Desi and Desi told him he couldn't come to the set drunk. Vance and Frawely truly hated one another. Vance said on their first visit, he is old enuff to be my dad. Frawely said, do i have to work with that bitch!!!. BUT it worked.
Bea Benadaret was perfect to play Pearl Bodine and then went on to play Kate Bradley on Petticoat Junction from 1963-1968 until she died, Gale Gordon did play the owner of the Tropicana.
The other woman here is Ann Sothern, who played Lucy's friend of modest origins who married a count ... Framboise de Culdesac. The count's name is a parody of the name of one of Gloria Swanson's husbands, Comte Henri de la Falaise de Coudray. La Swanson did not want to be outdone by actresses Mae Murray and Pola Negri and socialite Barbara Hutton, who each married one of the 3 faux-Prince Mdivani. Sorry, too much trivia. ugh, I feel like puking.
There was a funny line from Married With Children about Frawley. Al Bundy says, "If you want to make "I Love Lucy" better, get rid of Lucy, Ricky, and Ethel. Just keep Fred and call the show "Mertz's World".
Yes, and Lucy went to bat for Frawley when the part of "Fred Mertz" was being cast,, when accusations about his heavy drinking were raised. Lucy recalled their mutual work in films and stuck up for him.
This year they are finally inducting William Frawley into the Television Hall of Fame.
funkeekatt 6 days ago
What a sweetie!
SharonTateFan4ever 3 weeks ago
We still miss you, "Fred"! You were a consummate actor and much-loved member of "I Love Lucy" as far as I'm concerned. RIP.
doctorrhythm1964 3 weeks ago
A lot of these people didn't get along because of their HUGE egos. Even today people who hate each other have to work together. I saw a popular singing group split up at the best time of their career because they just couldn't get along. How sad is that? If women would just learn to stay in their place things would go a lot more smoother in most situations...they just bring drama to everything they touch. Women always feel they have to be right. Many of them don't even like each other.
DaOrigTruthSeeker 4 weeks ago
From all accounts I have read, Frawley was OK to work with on My Three Sons before serious illness set in. When he was replaced, he badmouthed a lot of the people, but that is to be expected when you are forced off and in pain. A better way to remember Frawley is the drinking buddy who overheard Don Grady wanted a surfboard for his birthday. Knowing nothing about them, Frawley snooped around and presented Don with a top of the line model which was the envy of all at the time.
snowden67 2 months ago 2
At least his last TV appearance was with his favorite girl. Eases the pain of losing him. He loved her all the way back to her MGM days. (Not romantically!)
louspintoo 2 months ago 4
This was obviously made without Viv. I was on a My Three Sons website and Stan Livingston said the feeling about Viv was mutual. Bill despised Viv. Stan said Bill would have Don, and himself chuck pots and pans from the kitchen set onto the walls where The Lucy Show was filmed to aggrivate Viv. She apparently was overheard by Bill when I Love Lucy started production " He's old enough to play my Father." Stan said he liked Bill, he thought of him as a Grandfather figure.
Sheri451 3 months ago
2- I don't care if Viv and Bill hated each other for me they will always be the Ethel and Fred Mertz that I know that liked to insult (with some kind of love) each other. Wheter Bill and Viv hated it they just fit right. Sometimes in TV some actors love each other but they have a bad chemistry or they hate each other and then have a beautiful chemistry. Its how it is :D ILOVELUCY ♥
LadyEthelMertz 4 months ago
Two things :
1-Of Course Viv & Lucy had some disaggrements, like any best friends. But they always never could speak to each other because they went through too much together. Vivian Vance is personnally my inspiration. She's the best . But she had 2 sides ; a good and a bad . She could be generous and warm and perfectionist. While sometimes she could on the defensive ( mean ). Lucy and Viv just completed each other. its simple cause Lucy wasnt afraid to say what she felt and thought . Friends
LadyEthelMertz 4 months ago
viv didnt like him because she thought he was too old to be her husband
fightback38 4 months ago
He still had that great comic timing.
adelgado75 4 months ago
It's so trippy seeing them in color
themelissacoleshow 5 months ago
Sorry, I made that mistake, too, 'rob'.
fromthesidelines 5 months ago
I remember watching this Lucy Show as a child...and watching it now makes me tear up! I loved those people, I grew up with them.
SuzyAngelica 5 months ago
@SuzyAngelica yep
fightback38 4 months ago
@fightback38 do not know why in them days guys always looked older than the woman now it has turned around both now look about the same age except for the woman always get some kind of face life or plastic surgery
lonelymikey55 4 months ago
@millerlight789 'splain it to me, so I won't be a dolt anymore. thanks.
oranger2525 6 months ago
Just, WOW!
dbmrhi 6 months ago
Lucy: "You know he reminds me of someone I used to know." WOW Lucy! A bitter sweet line. Makes you want to smile and get nostalgic.
KD8NCL 7 months ago
Ann Sothern pinch hit for Vivian Vance in this episode.Gale Gordon was supposed to be the original Fred Mertz but Desi and the writers vetoed Lucy's request.MS Vance was so repulsed and loathed Frawley that she would upchuck before rehearsals..it was true and printed in Frawleys contract that he had permission to attend all World Series Games which would hold up production of the I Love Lucy Show.Thank goodness there were no extra rounds of Playoffs in those days.
robphilll22 7 months ago
@robphilll22 I thought she vomited on the way to the studio on those days when they would tape before a live studio audience b/c she was so nervous.
snoops71 5 months ago
@snoops71 There was no video playback in the 50's.Flubs, blown lines were kept in.If a scene was totally out of control, The director would start the whole story over at the beginning.Same held true for soaps.Those actors had to be focused in those days.Vivian knew what was at stake. Messing up lines was very costly.Frawley was her nemisis.
Carol Burnett changed all that with the improtu laughter in comedy sketches in the late 1960's.
robphilll22 5 months ago
@robphilll22 Yeah, I remember reading about the live tapings in those days.
So, she was really nervous before the rehearsals, the tapings, or both?
snoops71 5 months ago
You have got to love this. That is comedy the way it is supposed to be. I just wish they would remember that and show more of these classics as reruns. They are just priceless.
asfanize 7 months ago
Frawley was a big Yankee fan, I believe he had it written in his contract that when the Yankees were in the World Series he was allowed to miss rehearsals
dowler86 8 months ago
great
dowler86 8 months ago
Bill was not in the best of health when he filmed this: in fact, because of his declining health, he had to be written out of "MY THREE SONS" in early 1965 {"Bub" takes a trip to Iceland, never to be heard from or seen again}, and William Demarest {as "Uncle Charlie", "Bub's" brother} took his place.
fromthesidelines 8 months ago
@fromthesidelines Ireland not Iceland...
robphilll22 5 months ago
William Frawley seemed to have mellowed alot in his last days of life.
RIP - Mr. Frawley.
cheeriosinabowl 8 months ago 9
@cheeriosinabowl
Old age & infirmities tend to do that....
JubalCalif 2 months ago
@cheeriosinabowl Mellowed isn't even the word!!!!
cjzzzzz 2 months ago
What's also interesting is that neither William Frawley nor Vivian Vance were the first choices by Desilu Productions to play Fred and Ethel Mertz.
HAFFNELSON 8 months ago
"You know he reminds me of someone I used to know?" Ha! Ha! I get a kick out of these TV in-jokes. What happened ? Did Mrs. Ricardo divorce Ricky and change both her maiden and married names to "Carmichael?" Lol.
shadejford 9 months ago
i enjoy it so much
ddbjg 9 months ago
Ha! Lucy never stopped being funny
angeladodson 9 months ago
Vivian apparently resented that fact that she had to play the wife of someone so much older then she. I have a feeling there was more to it than that. Sometimes people just don't click. I've heard he called her the C word once. She referred to him as an old fuddy duddy. Viv and Lucy didn't get along that great in the beginning either
PatrickLHawkins 9 months ago
This was his last tv appearance, he died the next year from a heart attack.
In an interview, Doris Singleton, who played Carolyn Appleby stated Bill got to set and said his lines fast and right so that he wouldn't need to take many takes with Vivian.
I've heard Bill and Viv hated each other, Lucy and Desi didn't like each other and Lucy and Viv were on bad terms.
I always wondered if Viv and Desi got along fine, what about Bill and Lucy? Bill and Desi?
Maserati777 10 months ago
@Maserati777 the only story I heard was that Bill and Viv hated each other. Lucy and Desi's marriage started to crumble at the end of I Love Lucy. Lucy and Viv were basically best friends. I've read Lucille Ball's autobiography and she says this herself. Oh and the other duos, Viv/Desi, Bill/Lucy were pretty compatible. When Bill saw Lucy on stage during Wildcat on Broadway in 1960, it made him cry because of how skinny she had become.
stevarino1989 9 months ago
@Maserati777 Bill and Desi were great friends, Lucy and Viv warmed up to each other later after a few months, Viv and Desi I don't know, but Bill and Viv definately hated each other and that makes their on screen chemistry that much greater ! You can find these information on the book laugh luck and lucy written by Jess Oppenheimer the head writer of the show.
adrianlindsaylohan 9 months ago
I had a feeling all the way back in the 60s when I was only 6 in 1967 that Vivian Vance didn't like William Frawley because she didn't appear in this episode with him, even though I knew she wasn't appearing in every episode of The Lucy Show at this time.
rtususian 10 months ago
I don't understand why Viv was so much against playing opposite of Bill because of his age. It was not Bill's fault. It was Desi and Lucille's decision to cast him in the role of Fred Mertz.
RampGuy1 11 months ago
mmm..i think that too
bvg83 1 year ago
Bill was good on My Three Sons also.
MrDanlj 1 year ago
fred now playes for the miami heat...
darrylhaynes 1 year ago
Fred!! :D
Helsinki666 1 year ago
Bill was by far the best of the 4 I Love Lucy stars when it came to non-physical comedy. His deadpan snarking was the perfect compliment to the more phyisical acts of the other characters.
TheShadowEdge 1 year ago
Shit's getting real.
turntapzap 1 year ago
i read on imdb that vivian vance was in this episode but other sources tell me the opposite. can anyone tell me if she was or not?
HepburnFlicks 1 year ago
@HepburnFlicks she was not- she just never got over the fact she was cast with an older man on the I Love Lucky show, and she pushed that bitterness onto Bill, who returned it. very sad.
mattybock 1 year ago
@HepburnFlicks No, Vivian Vance had retired from the show in 1965, cause it was taking a toll on her marriage, since she had to commute back and forth from Connecticut to California to do the show, and if she had heard that William Frawley was gonna appear I think she would've flatly refused to be in the same room with him.
adamdicy 1 year ago
@adamdicy Wow...it's weird that she couldn't stand him that much....they seem to have such great chemistry on the show.
Do you know why she didn't like him??
TinaB1990 10 months ago
Bill Frawley may have been a jerk, but he was a professional and had a great talent for singing and acting. A legend.
brnleague99 1 year ago
@brnleague99 True, he sang on I Love Lucy in the first season episode titled "The Operetta" and "Ricky Loses His Voice"
adamdicy 1 year ago
@brnleague99 i read somewhere that Frawley had a penchant for the bottle and going to bars after work.
frankd1965 10 months ago
@frankd1965 When Desi hired him for I Love Lucy, he had heard all the stories of Frawley being a drunk and he told him, "If you ever show up for work drunk, you're gone." And he never did.
brnleague99 10 months ago
William Frawley was reported as saying THIS about Vivian Vance: "I think she's one of the greatest gals to come out of Cherryvale, Kansas (Vance's birthplace), but sometimes I wish she'd have stayed there!"
He was was noted as calling Desi Arnaz "A Cuban heel" and calling Lucille Ball and Vivian Vance "a couple of brass-bound bi*ches"!
christheone8773 1 year ago
ALSO, when Bill Frawley had passed away in March of 1966, Vivian Vance was out at a restaurant dining with friends and when she received the news of Frawley's death, she ordered champagne for EVERYONE IN THE HOUSE!
christheone8773 1 year ago
"You know he reminds me on someone I used to know" actually almost made me cry!
TheatreFanatic4eva 1 year ago
Everyone knows Vivian Vance and William Frawley hated each other. It's common knowledge. I knew Viv's sister. She confirmed a lot of things. Among the things that she confirmed was Vance and Frawley (besides really disliking each other) were from the old school. True pros. You had a part to play and you did it! No matter what you thought about the co-star.
And boy, did they pull it off!
Lucy, Desi, Viv and Bill - Still the best cast in TV sit-com history!
oranger2525 1 year ago 35
@oranger2525 I agree. Nothing touches them.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@oranger2525 ...i think i'd have to give the seinfeld cast the edge on best ever
dennysanders 7 months ago
@oranger2525 Desi Arnaz stated, shortly before he passed on, that the "hatred" between Vance and Frawley had been blown out of proportion by the media. He said that it was not so much a dislike of each other as it was the characters they were given to play, and the fact that Vance was playing the wife of someone nearly old enough to be her father.
moproducer 7 months ago
@oranger2525 , You should be a pro if your a actor or actress and work with someone you hate..yes your bound to meet and work with people you don't get along with but as you said they both were from the old school and were true pros and worked together really well no matter their personnal thoughts about each other.
Astraldragon1 6 months ago
@oranger2525 You knew viv's sister? WOw, and i didn't know that vivian vance and william frawly hated eachother i didn't know that.
Seanschemmelfan 5 months ago
@oranger2525 I recall reading in a tabloid, that vance would be so upset after a day dealing with him,that she would pull over to the side of the road to throw up.
jmen4ever 3 months ago
@oranger2525 I have to laugh when I hear a TV star gushing praises on a co-star and saying that they just adore each other. One actor went so far as to say that unless performers genuinely like each other, it is impossible to play comedy together. Well, Bill Frawley and Vivian Vance surely disproved that idea!! They were professionals who didn't let their personal feelings affect their performances. Good for them!
karlakor 1 month ago
@oranger2525 I admire that they could work together if if they couldn't stand each other....they could teach a LOT of today's actors the same thing!
ncdude367 1 month ago
@ncdude367 I think in movies, TV, live theater there have always been costars that didn't get along. But the Vance-Frawley "hate" just seems to be one that many people know of and it's been confirmed many times. And from what I heard, I shoud take the quotes of the word hate.
oranger2525 1 month ago
@ncdude367 People can do lots of things they normally couldn't
when they have a NEED FOR COLD CASH.
GooglFascists 4 days ago
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oranger2525 1 year ago
You can buy the I LOVE LUCY movie on DVD from Amazon.com
pblackburn13 1 year ago
he was so sick there..
darrylhaynes 1 year ago
Speaking of,has anybody seen the "I Love Lucy!" movie?I'm just dying to see it,but I can't find it any place.Is it good?
Laurentia02 1 year ago
What a fond remembrance, Bill Frawley and Vivian Vance, What a contribution they made.
Gage1960 1 year ago 2
So sad how Viv and Will despised each other.
rh117 1 year ago 2
@rh117 YES THEY DID - and when "I Love Lucy" ended its run in 1957, CBS was interested in doing a spinoff starring the characters of the Mertzes - Bill Frawley was all for the idea, but Vivian Vance wasn't, no matter how much money they offered her to do it - I read somewhere that Bill Frawley was angry at her for a long time after this -
christheone8773 1 year ago
@rh117 and since there wasn't going to be a spinoff, Desi and Lucy continued playing the Ricardos, and Vivian and Bill kept playing the Mertzes in the special one-hour Lucy-Desi specials, that lasted through 1960, when Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz divorced-
christheone8773 1 year ago
Delicious.
tuxguys 1 year ago
Absolutely classic! This is what's called going out with style!
Setebos 1 year ago
@Laurentia02, when the 'I love Lucy' series began Vivian Vance was about 42 years old. William Frawley was about 64 years old. But yeah you're right, they couldn't stand each other.
MIKESOWELL 1 year ago
@MIKESOWELL It sad really,because Vivian was a great actress and comedienne( which Lucille Ball admitted herself *ahem to the people calling her greedy*)but she had a god-awful personality.I also read somewhere(don't know if it's true) that every week when she got her script,she would skim through it to see how many scenes she had to do with that "stubborn little Irishman".But I have to give both of them credit,because on the screen,they did an amazing job together.
Laurentia02 1 year ago 2
@Laurentia02 , where are you getting that Vivian "had a god-awful personality"? I know someone who worked with her and thought she was great. Others who worked with her who I have heard speak about her felt the same. Just because she didn't get along with this one person, William Frawley, (who by most accounts wasn't always the most pleasant person to be around) doesn't mean she had a "god-awful personality." We're all human. Even the nicest people don't necessarily get along with everyone.
Beejjjjjj 1 year ago
@Laurentia02 Yeah, it is good that they were always professional when it came to their jobs. Did you hear about how allegedly when Vance heard of Frawley's death while she was at a bar or restaurant, she exclaimed, "Drinks are on me"?
MIKESOWELL 1 year ago
@MIKESOWELL Yeah,I know,but I hope that isn't true.
@Beejjjjj:Listen,I don't base my dislike for her on the fact that she didn't like Frawley,I'm not that stupid.I just read some quotes online and read a lot about her and she's not my kind of person.But she was very talented,as I said before,and I LOVED her as Ethel.I also don't appreciate her calling Lucy "a bitch",even if it was a joke.I don't see the humor in it.
Laurentia02 1 year ago 2
@MIKESOWELL I read somewhere that, when she received a script for an upcoming episode, she read through it and discovered that Fred and Ethel would have to do a dialogue in bed together - on her way to rehearsal, she had to pull over to the side of the road and vomit, because just the thought of getting in bed with Frawley made her sick to her stomach - literally!!!
christheone8773 1 year ago
@christheone8773 Thats hilarious, I love it! If thats true or not I'm sticking with it, great joke!
verbusen 1 year ago
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christheone8773 1 year ago
This was a wasted opportunity for Lucille Ball and William Frawley to interact one last time, but they don't even speak to each other in this scene. It's a shame that the fabulous foursome never reunited in front of a television audience.
karlakor 1 year ago
"he reminds me of someone i used to know".... makes me want to cry.
bearbrien 1 year ago 20
My grandfather was called Fred or Bill Frawley cause he looked like him. Now looking at this, i see that even near the end of both of their lives, they looked soo much like each other it was scary
TomCollinsgirl 1 year ago
Kisses to Freddy.
zamusicza 1 year ago
Always wanted to see this, thanks for putting it up!
Sweetbabyvixen 1 year ago
I loved this clip. Thank you so much for posting it.
Pectoris4 1 year ago
He rocked!
breezy501 1 year ago
In reference to the comment on Frawley's applause not lasting longer I am suspect of the idea that Ball probably capped the applause as she appears not to have liked other actors taking away from her presence (if you question this statement just look how Vivian Vance's part on the show continually diminished until she disappeared altogether).
rob4791 1 year ago
@rob4791 That was not due to Lucys greed, it was because Vivian lived on the East Coast with her husband and got tired of traveling back and forth. Vivian decided not continue with the show. Therefore, I very much doubt that.
missxnaida 1 year ago
W.frawley was in real life lucys step father
hulkimodo 1 year ago
@hulkimodo where did you hear that?
jeffdon4 1 year ago
I loved Bill Frawley on I Love Lucy!
xRockaJoJox 1 year ago
Just applause? It didn't seem to last long. You would think that someone like him would have had a much longer applause with crazy cheering as well. Still glad to see he did receive some time of notice.
Ulalafanboy 1 year ago
you know he reminds me of someone i use to know...lol ohhh lucy! love ya
ttmarlene 1 year ago
Fred Mertz , William Frawley died while walking on Hollywood Blvd. in 1966.
spazzcat03 1 year ago
I wish Vivian Vance was in this and when Lucy said he reminds her of someone she used to know, Vivian said "Yea tell me about it" and rolled her eyes.
DominoRyder 1 year ago 3
@DominoRyder that would have been so funny and the audience would have lost it.
toofargone68 1 year ago
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steven1660 1 year ago
Wow he aged! When did he pass away?
ChandlerandMonica83 1 year ago
@ChandlerandMonica83 This was his last TV appearance, he died just a little while after that episode. By the way, The official second season of The Lucy Show is being released on July 13, 2010! It co-stars Vivian Vance and it's in color! You can pre-order it on amazon.
steven1660 1 year ago
@steven1660
Thankyou!!!:) I am definitely getting it! Does anyone know the name of Desi Arnaz Sr.'s book he wrote? Was it called I still Love Lucy? Not quite sure, thanks in advance! xx
ChandlerandMonica83 1 year ago
@ChandlerandMonica83 Desi Arnaz'a autobiography is simply called "A Book" by Desi Arnaz. Lucy's autobiography is called "Love, Lucy."
steven1660 1 year ago
@ChandlerandMonica83 Frawley was 78 years old here. You can't expect him to look like a 30 year old.
bjoh249 1 year ago
@ChandlerandMonica83 This episode was shown in October of 1965, and Bill Frawley died five months later, in March of 1966-
christheone8773 1 year ago
@christheone8773 went out with a bang!
luismdot 1 year ago
I think this one of his last appearances on TV before he passed away... He really aged more by this appearance on the Lucy show....... on I love lucy he was old but looked a lot better.
Astraldragon1 1 year ago
I love The Lucy Show! What episode is this?
Duckie1553 1 year ago
brought a tear to my eye, I hope they are all together in heaven
slej2001 1 year ago 2
Its sad how old looking he got in the end. He was a classic actor.
Sharkboy681 1 year ago 2
During Bill frawley's years on television; there was a stipulation in his contract that stated he was aloud time off for the World series of Baseball for the entire duration. One year he held up production of I love lucy for 2 weeks.Other shows were aired as Mr. Paley (Pres. of CBS )was up in arms...
robphilll 1 year ago
What an awesome clip! Bill Frawley added such zest on Lucy and wasn't half bad on MTS. I always thought Demerest had a longer tenure as Uncle Charlie. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.
NYVoice 1 year ago 6
@NYVoice very odd how frawley returned 2 tv quicker than ball and vance did after i love lucy ended 4 good
toofargone68 1 year ago
@NYVoice William Frawley was Great in My Three Sons and should have gotten an award for his wonderful Bub character. The show was never as good without him.
toddcharry 8 months ago 2
It's interesting to note that i remember William Demerest more than I do Bill Frawley. But Demerest always seemed to be looking for a fight even in the happiest times. MacMurray should have kicked Uncle Charlie's a** big time.
NYVoice 8 months ago
@toddcharry The show was never as good without Tim Considine, either, in my opinion.
Juliaflo 4 months ago
I always wondered if he made an appearance on that show! I remember looking for hours on-line with episodes and trying to track anything down.. Now the .56 seconds I'd spent a couple thousand of trying to find! Thank you very much for posting this!!!
buddyhoot 1 year ago 2
he reminds me of Walter..Jeff dunhams puppet character!
throwingstones01 2 years ago
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throwingstones01 2 years ago
ha! he reminds me of someone I used to know. that was a funny line. thanks for posting this video.
bsm20091 2 years ago 36
i wonder if in the story world she really didnt keep in touch with the mertzes anymore. thats sad cause they were good friends for so long. why would she have lost contact
myluckyday20 1 year ago
Lucy Carmichael was a different character from Lucy Ricardo, and she never would've known the Mertzes. Vivian Vance's character was named Vivian Bagley, and she was no Ethel Mertz either. In fact she was one of tv's first divorcees, and it was said that audiences thought her criticisms of her ex-husband were funnier because people thought she was putting down Fred Mertz, even though she wasn't.
jehobden 1 year ago 3
@bsm20091 Aw, funny and very nostalgic. Nice to see William Frawley so long after ILL :-)
Etheline 11 months ago
@bsm20091 XDDD yeah! haha
WinterRenes 10 months ago
This episode is from October of 1965 - Bill Frawley would pass away five months later, in March of 1966-
christheone8773 2 years ago 7
wow its a shame William he was on my three sons then went to Lucy show rest in peace William u will be missed
meterman432110 2 years ago
Wow, he had aged a lot since the end of LDCH. Good old Fred.
JACKOTACO 2 years ago
I've never seen that episode, thank you for sharing. So true that he deserves more recognition, he was funny. The four of them were great, I miss them too. I wish Desi would have made a guest appearance on one of Lucy's shows, especially with their kids. All four of them on the same show just once.
tlf243 2 years ago 7
that would of been perfect!!! for old time sakes, but now will only dream of what could of been, so sad.
sickvenom1980 2 years ago 2
"You know, he reminds me of someone I used to know..."
RoyFive 2 years ago 8
i so miss seeing all four of them together in this show!!!! it's more funnier with desi and him all four of them......
TheAngelmj15 2 years ago 5
great video.
hfpitman2 2 years ago
I liked William Frawley from the first time I saw him on 'I Love Lucy'.I honestly think he was better than Desi Arnaz or Vivian Vance(who I don't like because of how mean she was).
I also saw him side by side with Chaplin in the awesome 'Monsieur Verdoux' and he was great in that too.
Laurentia02 2 years ago
William Frawley was Fred Mertz The Ricardo;s cantankerous landlord.
BTW he still acts cantankerous
frankd1965 2 years ago 2
@Laurentia02 Word was Vivian Vance was a classic actressand hated being second fiddle in a comedy. Frawley, himself a heavy drinker, despised her. It was mutual.
tonywallacess45 1 year ago
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toofargone68 1 year ago
@Laurentia02
how mean was she? is true that viv and frawly did not like each other?
rextony22 1 year ago
@rextony22 Well,as I understand it,Viv was a bit bitter because she thought Frawley was too old to play her husband in the show(she was 30 and he was almost 60 years old) .They did not get along and William's drinking problem added to the feud.
Anyway,I hope that answers your question.I guess Vivian didn't enjoy being in someone else's shadow(Lucy) and she was a bit bitchy.Rumor has it that when she heard that William Frawley died,she ordered champagne at a restaurant for everyone.Sad,isn't it?
Laurentia02 1 year ago
@Laurentia02 Desi said everybody was telling him not to hire Bill and that Bill was an alcoholic but Desi said he knew Bill was perfect for the role. They had an agreement - if Bill showed up drunk or missed a taping for anything other than a legit reason (ex. he's decided to get drunk) that would be it. Desi said that never happened. I don't think liquor factored into their dislike of each other. Frawley didn't like Viv because he overheard her making disparaging remarks about him.
lfRMFC 1 year ago
@Laurentia02 , Vivian was 42 at the start of I LOVE LUCY, not 30. And William Frawley was 64. It's true Vivian Vance thought William Frawley was too old to play her husband, but he had already been given the part before Vivian was cast. So she took the part knowing he would be playing her husband. Supposedly their relationship went south early on when Vivian had to sing in a scene on the show, and during rehearsals, Vivian overheard Frawley make a nasty remark about her singing.
Beejjjjjj 1 year ago
@Beejjjjjj actually it was Vivian who first made the remark that sent their relationship south. Frawley overheard her complaining about having Frawley play her on-screen husband and she called him"that old man." After that they hated each other immensely.
bjoh249 1 year ago
I wish there would've been a full "I Love Lucy" cast reunion on "The Lucy Show". It's a shame that never happened.
djkst35 2 years ago 6
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tudzman 2 years ago
Is it my imagination or does he forget his line at 0:38?
tudzman 2 years ago
Its your imagination,lol.
He deliberately hesitates because he was, in his mind, laughing at her snobbery and ready to put her in her place by calling her a "dame".
William Frawley was a master at what he did ! Underestimated in his contribution to Lucy.......I think he should be recognized in equal standing with the other three..Lucy..Desi..Vivian. We need a book about him too!
Tiffanynicolina 2 years ago 9
no... bill frawley never forgot his lines
DamnStraightM35A2 2 years ago 11
never on i love lucy. towards the end of my three sons he was too sick to really work and they had to use cue cards, unfortunately. often he would fall asleep during production of MTS and it would be the job of a production assistant to yank his pantleg, which would cue him to wake up to say his line. it was sad and he went down hill fast.
jaybb 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
That guy had a huge ass
wdc2998 2 years ago
William Frawley was the funniest character in Television history! The "Fred Mertz" was the quintessential role for him.
I loved him.
ccm2songs 2 years ago 25
Yeah, true it was a quintessential role for Bill Frawley, and Desi Arnaz told him point blank not to drink anymore and if he did he'd be off the show so freakin fast.
adamdicy 2 years ago
@ccm2songs He and Alice Pearce passed away around the same time back in 1966. I remember reading the newspaper article 'Hollywood Loses Two Comedians'.
Happy Easter.
Juliaflo 1 year ago
@ccm2songs Agreed!! Sad life he had though, died practically alone except for his male nurse, poor guy was married once and divorced with no kids....poor guy God Bless Him
TheArmo1 1 year ago
@TheArmo1 actually I read he died while strolling along Hollywood Blvd. where he suffered a heart attack.
bjoh249 1 year ago
OK so Viv and Bill Frawley did not get along. No big deal.
I am sure that they were always professional and after all they created real magic on stage with Lucy and Desi. They had a good thing going and I doubt they ever let their feelings ever really get in the way of that on screen chemistry!
MaxFGrump 2 years ago 8
5 months later he was gone
yiommi 2 years ago
he was on the show My Three Sons for from 62-65 as Uncle Bud.
adamdicy 2 years ago
Actually,William Frawley's character on "My Three Sons" was "Bub". When he passed away,he was replaced by William Demarest as Uncle Charlie.
studentprince69 2 years ago 4
He was on My Three Sons from 1960 - 1965
mkrobinson95 2 years ago 4
"Bub"
jaybb 2 years ago
Oh, it was Bub, eh...oops my bad.
adamdicy 2 years ago
Notice that the horse got a little "spooked" when the audience greeted Frawley with an ovation, and Ann Southern had to hang onto the reins to keep him in place.
Just to repeat what others have said before: Thanks so much for posting this. I've been looking for this for a long time.
onlyhuman41 2 years ago 6
@onlyhuman41
why did the horse got spooked?
rextony22 1 year ago
Lucy wanted Gale Gordon and Bea Benederet. BUT the network brass wouldn't let Gordon out of his contract with Our Miss Brooks, and Bea was doing another show. Bea went on to play Aunt Pearl on the Beverly Hillbillies. Frawely approached Desi and Desi told him he couldn't come to the set drunk. Vance and Frawely truly hated one another. Vance said on their first visit, he is old enuff to be my dad. Frawely said, do i have to work with that bitch!!!. BUT it worked.
1310cirtap 2 years ago
Bea Benadaret was perfect to play Pearl Bodine and then went on to play Kate Bradley on Petticoat Junction from 1963-1968 until she died, Gale Gordon did play the owner of the Tropicana.
adamdicy 2 years ago
The other woman here is Ann Sothern, who played Lucy's friend of modest origins who married a count ... Framboise de Culdesac. The count's name is a parody of the name of one of Gloria Swanson's husbands, Comte Henri de la Falaise de Coudray. La Swanson did not want to be outdone by actresses Mae Murray and Pola Negri and socialite Barbara Hutton, who each married one of the 3 faux-Prince Mdivani. Sorry, too much trivia. ugh, I feel like puking.
wattever333 2 years ago
There was a funny line from Married With Children about Frawley. Al Bundy says, "If you want to make "I Love Lucy" better, get rid of Lucy, Ricky, and Ethel. Just keep Fred and call the show "Mertz's World".
snowden67 2 years ago
Thank you so much for sharing this! I always liked Bill Frawley, and seeing he and Lucy together again was a real treat;-)
He was still as feisty as ever!
snoops71 2 years ago
Beautiful......
motorcitymiguel 2 years ago
Bill loved Lucy and this clip brings it center stage. got choked up watching it.
It was perfectly done.
slej2001 2 years ago
Yes, and Lucy went to bat for Frawley when the part of "Fred Mertz" was being cast,, when accusations about his heavy drinking were raised. Lucy recalled their mutual work in films and stuck up for him.
But a stipu