I doubt people are moral because their religion tells them to be, or because the seek reward/fear punishment. It's more likely that we get our morals from knowledge and experience with religious affiliation being coincidental.
Why is religion dying?? Because all its claims and miraculosu accounts etc are a load of hokum, and science has answered many of life's former great mysteries.
During the reformation protestants fought for literacy and for Bible translations because they thought people were being kept in the dark by Catholicism. It is rather ironic that once people *did* become literate and put away ignorance, they began to see religion for the superstitious claptrap it is.
They should be using percentages rather than absolute numbers, as it doesn't reflect the increase in population over the past decades and makes the fall seem less dramatic than it is. Even though it still seems pretty dramatic with absolute numbers.
religeon Is Merely a tool made up by the powers that be to keep the ordinary citizen in his place by frightening him or her into believing that unless we live a sin free life we will go to hell, scaremongering on a grand scale.
@spinaway Religion means to relate to God and to other people. Religion = civilization. What is so bad about having morals and thinking its wrong to murder your own family?
@AntiFascist2011 Just Because Someone Does Not Believe in any god Does not make them immoral, religeon Is the biggest single cause of most wars and death In the world, your Point is rubbish we Do not Murder our own family Or neighbours because we dont believe in fairytales.
@mivvie12 Every Atheist eats babies! whats that? You don't think thats true? Its just as true as your "biggest single cause of most wars and death" claim. Especially as religion condemns such behaviour, whereas atheism doesn't. Less than 5% of wars have had anything to do with religion. Will atheists ever stop lying?
@TomFynn Is it really? 'Coz thats news to me! I must of missed that part. You constantly lie about religion, but of course, atheists think theres nothing wrong with lying either...
Arguing whether or not religion or atheism has a palliative effect on society is immaterial to the matter of whether or not they are correct. But this guy did make the outrageous claim that "the factual claims Christianity makes have been proven to be false". I would have LOVED to see him try to substantiate that!
The reason for the fact that Christianity is in decline in England has nothing to do with it "losing the argument", but rather just the fact that people have just stopped caring.
Seriously this is no joke. Cultural marxism and globalism is slowly destroying Britain, Europe and the West. If you or our future children do not want to be puppies for the globalist elite who will take your culture, identity, earnings and effectively your entire existence then you should vote for a true national party. It's simple, globalist or nationalist. Make your choice or your country will die of a thousand cuts. This is why Christianity is decreasing. It is what globalists want.
She's so full of crap. English common law, which was pretty "civilizing," existed for about two hundred years before the "introduction" of christianity, which was responsible for the "divine right of kings," a doctrine which is as far removed from an egalitarian ideal as one can get.
@YY4Me133 English common law developed hundreds of years after England had been fully Christian. After all, its based on the Bible so it would be pretty strange if it wasn't.
As for the "divine right of kings", where in the Bible does Jesus call for that? Some medieval king could have claimed that the sun gave him the "solar right of kings". Would that invalidate sunlight?
@AntiFascist2011 English common law was *not* based on the christian bible: "...we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." - Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Thomas Cooper
The divine right of kings was based on biblical passages, such as Romans 13:1-7.
@YY4Me133 English common law had been around for nearly a thousand years before Jefferson was born. Whilst he was right about many things he was wrong about that. Romans 13:1-7 is about respecting legitimate authority. What did the Pagan Roman Emperors base their rule on? Besides, the divine right of kings was nothing like as oppressive as Atheist Communism.
@AntiFascist2011 English common law was called that because it was based on the customs of the common people, as opposed to being imposed by a king or other "ruler." Christianity had nothing to do with it.
Atheism and communism have nothing to do with one another. Atheism is simply having no belief in gods. It has no dogma, no ruling authority. Blaming not believing in gods for the acts of communist dictators is like blaming not believing in Santa Claus. There's no connection.
"Christianity is dying in England " And whit it England itself, rulled by intolerant muslims and cold radical atheistic views. By england, good ridance!!!
I agree with him that the argument has been lost by Christianity, that is has been proven false in many of its claims (original sin, facticity of the bible, the knowability of mythic figures like Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, inter alia). Science is eating up the terrain once owned by the Church. And the nature of revelation is such that it can't keep apace with science. It's stuck in the past.
@boogiebuddy01 I've had no complaints from the many girls I've shagged. The only ugly trolls are atheists like Dawkins and Hari. Besides, according to atheism, everyone's just an ugly mutated cockroach.
@AntiFascist2011 Also, Newton's (and co) Christianity didn't affect their results and accomplishments in science. Also, Newton's gravitational model has been since disproven, by a deist no less. Christianity will die, but I fear it will be replaced by even a more twisted monotheistic religion, maybe islam if things go bad in the following decades.
@jlmdfnbo Newton, Galileo and the others were inspired by their faith, they said so themselves. Christianity can never die because it is the truth, however England will die without it as will any other country that abandons it. Perhaps Islam will fill the void, something will have to. Countries cannot survive atheism for long.
Atheism is like AIDS. Just as AIDS destroys the immune system rendering the body helpless to infectious diseases, atheism destroys society.
@AntiFascist2011 There's just no talking reason to you. And your name is misleading, you're fascist about your religion, suffering no other belief systems or lacks of them. Fuck you.
@jlmdfnbo All you can do is resort to swearing. How logical and rational of you! You are the fascist who suffers no other belief systems. Where have I attacked Protestants, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists? Where have I even attacked ordinary atheists? I simply stated facts defending the truth from lies and propaganda.
Fascism was invented by the Atheist, Benito Mussolini. In Fascism the state replaces God and suppresses religion, something many atheists seem to support.
@AntiFascist2011 What facts do you have that atheism not fascism destroys countries? Have you forgot that Christianity has had a track record of oppression and retardation of people to secure it's self in history?
@MrButerfinger Christianity has had a track record of civilizing the world. Despite this, people are still sinners and have free will. So even Christians aren't perfect. However, non-religious types can still infiltrate churches as well as so-called Christian countries. There were plenty of deists, atheists and agnostics around even hundreds of years ago. So don't blame Christianity for their crimes, which are nothing compared to secular states in the 20th century.
@AntiFascist2011 have you heard of the Byzantium empire? You ether converted to Christianity or died. This idea that Christianity must be perfect so every one must follow it was carried out for centuries! This is why you had atheists in the church. Christianity forced them there. This was not the topic though. The topic was what proof do you have that atheism destroys countries.
As for atheism, it has been around for a LONG time. In all that time, it has brought nothing of value to humanity. The name of Dawkins shall quickly be forgotten as a footnote just as the name of Lucretius has.
Yet the name of Jesus will continue to grow...and the blind cannot understand.
"...If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
@AlmostChosen Nothing of value?! Hahahahha. Lets take a look at a single religion and see what its brought. The crusades, the inquisition, the burning of "heretics and witches", the delay of scientific progress that allowed medical breakthroughs that save millions each day. The ability to live in a country with real freedom of speach was only possible when an atheist included the clause about separation of church and state.
@morro190 Jefferson was a Deist, not an atheist, and he respected Christianity. Crusades = self-defence against Islamic Jihad. Inquisition killed 3,000 in 300 years. The burning of "heretics and witches" is exaggerated and killed just a few thousand more. Atheists murdered 100 million in 100 years. Scientific progress and medical breakthroughs came as a result of Christianity. Most of the scientists and doctors involved were Christian.
@morro190 Scientific progress was CREATED by Christianity. If not, why did it take place in Christian countries. Why not in China or Iran or Pre-Columbian Mexico? (Yes I know there were some scientific discoveries and inventions in those countries but the Scientific Method was developed by Christians).
Islamic jihad has been waged non-stop by Muslims against non-Muslims since the 7th Century. Millions of Europeans and tens of millions of Africans were taken as slaves by Muslims.
@AntiFascist2011 Yes, this is why at the time that european CHRISTIAN countries were throwing their shit in the streets and never bathed, muslim cities had sewers and bathed everyday.
@morro190 Which Atheists? Er, Communism (an inherently Atheistic system) murdered 100 million people in many different countries. Also, many of the leading Nazis were Atheist (such as Martin Bormann and Baldur von Schirach, head of the Hitler Youth).
Almost all of your belligerent, ignorant arguments are based on a correlation/causation fallacy. You have no facts, just your warped assertions. Take a fraction of the energy you've used to spam this video (with nonsense comments), and use it to evaluate the claims of your religion. Then we may be able to actually have an adult conversation.
@xMKIVxVR6x belligerent? Where have I been belligerent? Atheists are the belligerent ones. Constantly lying about history and slandering and insulting others. More people go to church every week in England than go to watch football. Is football dying?
I evaluated the claims of ALL religions when I was agnostic. That's why I became a Christian.
@AlmostChosen Haha :D Atheism has brought nothing? Modern science couldn't have developed if it wouldn't have stepped out from the Christian Dark Ages to the Age of Enlightenment in the 1700s. Do you know why Galileo Galilei's heliocentric model was discarded during his time? Because of some book written by goat herders thousands of years ago. Morals don't always go hand in hand with religion. Religions will die out, while reason and kindness will prevail.
Morals, reason and kindness all come from religion and will die without it. Modern science was created by Christians. Galileo was a devout Catholic. The heliocentric model wasn't proven till further evidence became available, just as it should be according to the the scientific method. The Dark Ages were pagan and ended around 800AD as Christians civilized the Pagan Barbarian tribes. The so-called Age of Enlightenment was led by Christians such as Newton, Descartes, Kant, etc.
@AntiFascist2011 There's just so many things wrong with your post... First of all, Catholic priests almost threw Galileo into jail at first for proving the Bible wrong. Morals have nothing to do with religion, Christian morals consist of bashing homosexuals and denying them equal rights, saying that anyone who doesn't agree with them, burns in hell forever.The Age of Enlightenment was about critical thinking and reason, no matter what the church thought. (continued...)
@jlmdfnbo Galileo never proved the Bible wrong, he proved the Pagan Greek theories of Ptolemy wrong. Morals come from religion and don't exist without it. Christian morals consist of treating people equally as persons, not shouting and celebrating what people should keep private. There is no such thing as a 'homosexual' or a heterosexual for that matter. There are people who commit heterosexual or homosexual acts. Heterosexual acts are necessary for reproduction, homosexual acts aren't.
@AlmostChosen You are asleep. You have been brainwashed, but of course brainwashed people don't realise they are brainwashed. There is zero evidence for the existence of god... end of argument.
@mikeyo1234 Sounds to me your in danger of losing your individuality being as you merely repeat what other atheists say isnt that the first step in indoctrination? The irony of new atheism is it sacrafices the very individuality it promotes.
@AlmostChosen I dont want to start a full on youtube debate, because i know how those go. However saying Atheism has brought nothing of value to humanity is the most ironic and silly statement ive ever read. In fact, its the grounding of all modern science and the modern age. Modern science is not based upon religion.... at all. However i still respect your view and im not hating! :)
@tomwiddv2 Actually science and the modern age is based upon Christianity. It was the Catholic Church which founded the universities of Europe. The Scientific Method was developed by Christians such as Galileo and Sir Francis Bacon., basing it on the Bible's instructions to test everything. Are Christians perfect? Of course not! No one is. But Atheism has brought nothing except materialism, selfishness, hatred, depression, drug abuse, etc.
have you guys seen the catholic church debate with Christopher Hitchens, Stephen Fry against Anne Widdecombe? its on youtube. Its so funny! shes terrible at arguing for christianity, she actually does this backwards faith a disservice lol
i cant wait until this evil and backwards superstition finally dies out. i hope i live to see the day :)
@CircusOfBedlam A couple of slick Oxbridge media darlings bully a frumpy but genuinely honest and devoted old girl, using sophistry and rhetoric. Hardly a fair match. Fry is scared to debate anyone with a track record but try watching Hitchins' recent debate with philosopher William Lane Craig. The Hitch gives up and doesn't bother with a closing statement because Craig intellectually destroyed him.
The Truth will never die but you will. If England rejects Truth then England will die.
Every atheist seems to either be really bitter or gay, or both, sorry but its true in most cases, not all, but most. The more Christianity declines the worse the world becomes, it's the way it has to go. Just know you with faith will be saved if you continue that faith! God bless.
@lukehase Every Christian seems to either be really bitter or fucking kids, or both, sorry but its true in most cases, not all, but most. The more Christianity declines the better the world becomes, it's the way it has to go. Just know you with faith will be saved from the fire of hell as it does not exist! Spaghetti monster bless
@lukehase The countries in the world with the highest percentages of athiests or irreligous people are the most developed, prosperous and have the highest standerd of living.
@lukehase Also religon is responicble for the rappid growth of aids, pedophillia, the vast majority of wars, virtually all terrorism.
So obviously many athiests will be bitter.
The Abrahamic faiths teach that gays should be persicuted at best or stoned to death at worst so I don't see why any self respecting gay person or even self respecting person will be a thiest. Especially one of the abrahamic cults!
@lukehase There's a difference between bitter and annoyed pragmatism. Trust me, it's hard hearing many of the same lay people arguments again and again without being short about dealing with them, and other things just seem to set off common-sense alarm bells that make you want to face-palm when believers seem not to notice them.
@lukehase Bitter? Most of the atheists I know, including myself (from outside testimonies) are awesome people. Cynical, perhaps. But certainly not bitter.
ENGLAND IS FUCKED. Riots all over the country. Communities forming vigilantes defence groups all over London and Birmingham. Racial tension. This is what happens when you bring up kids without religion.
@AntiFascist O really? Based on what?? Why are less religious countries such as Sweden or Denmark not suffering these kinds of "tensions"?
Religions are hardly anti-racist. The notion of clan superiority is inherent to most religions.
IMO the tensions are a result of the growing gaps between the affluent rich and the rest of us increasingly struggling masses. This is the fundamental flaw of capitalism --the rich get richer and the struggling commoners get rightfully angry, eventually revolting.
@TheAnniepies The values in countries like Sweden and Denmark are based on Christian values. Even so, they are seeing increasing tensions. Religions are anti-racist. That's the whole point. Religion supersedes 'clan superiority'. Atheism does not. Catholic means universal, open for everyone. Christianity says there is one race, the human race.
@AntiFascist "Christianity says there is one race, the human race. "
Is that why God told Hebrews to slaughter entire clans, including smashing babies against rocks? Is that why the Jews were named god's "Chosen" people? Is that why the OT gives meticulous detail on how severely you can beat your slaves, depending on their race?
You're a pathetic apologist for barbarism & child-abusing ideology. Your ancestors were ignorant. YOU, however, have access to a wealth of knowledge and have no excuse.
@TheAnniepies The 'entire clans' slaughtered were because of their activities. They were the equivalent of the Allies slaughtering Nazis during WW2. And decent individuals from those clans who weren't evil themselves were saved and simply became Israelites. "smashing babies against rocks" is a description of something happening, not an instruction or something God wants. The 'slaves' were servants and it was temporary . I don't recall any difference in treatment according to race.
@TheAnniepies Typical of an atheist to resort to name calling. Christianity condemns child-abuse, atheism does not. I am defending the basis of civilization including such concepts as human rights and empathy. You are trying to unravel the thread upon which civilization is based. All knowledge gained in science and other fields has supported the Christian faith. Your ancestors and mine were both civilized by Christianity. You are trying to destroy civilization.
"If a man has a stubborn and REBELLIOUS SON WHO WILL NOT OBEY the voice of his father; or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city ... Then all the men of the city shall STONE HIM TO DEATH with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."
@TheAnniepies That was for a specific time when the Israelites were desperately trying to survive. And it was only meant for those who were out and out criminals. When was the last time you saw Christians or Jews doing that?
@AntiFascist2011 "All knowledge gained in science and other fields has supported the Christian faith"
Utterly RIDICULOUS.
A mountain of scientific disciplines robustly concur without contradiction that we evolved from lower forms of life going back 4.5 billion years. The Bible says man was poofed into existence 6000 years ago.
It also says that you can cure leprosy with bird blood (Leviticus 14), that the earth is flat (Daniel 4:10-11) and rests on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8), etc, etc, etc.
@TheAnniepies You're just coming out bullshit. Adam may have been the first 'spiritual' man or there may have been many generations not mentioned in the genealogy. People today still talk about the 'four corners' of the earth or sunrise and sunset. Are they stupid? Do they not know that the earth is round and goes around the sun?
Did you grow up in some fundamentalist cult? If I wasn't Christian, I would be doing something I enjoy instead of arguing with people. You're obsessed.
You're just a typical ignorant apologist who doesn't dare look too deeply at the horror in his own moral rule book (Bible).
Your bible depics a madman god. Even if you call it all metaphor (which Jesus disputed, btw), it still teaches you to terrorize your children with self-hatred and fear of everlasting punishment.
Religions are just an industry designed to perpetuate by taking advantage of human weaknesses.
@TheAnniepies You are just another typical Atheist Fundamentalist. According to you love would be designed by industry to make money from human weakness, just look how much money companies make from Valentines Day.
@AntiFascist2011 "Your ancestors and mine were both civilized by Christianity"
More utter ignorance.
The Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, and "witch" burnings are just 3 of hundreds of examples listed at notachristian org /christianatrocities html
...but of course you are too dishonest to even look.
The Dark Ages severely stunted the world's scientific advancement starting about 1500 years ago. We would be far ahead, far more civilized had your bullshit cult never have spawned off Judaism.
@TheAnniepies If it wasn't for Christianity which is THE TRUTH, you would still be living in a cave unable to read or write! The very language you type in was first written by CHRISTIAN MONKS who civilized your savage barbarian ancestors.
"If it wasn't for Christianity .. you would still be living in a cave unable to read or write!"
Men lived in caves until the time of jesus and couldn't read or write until then??
The church encouraged ignorance: "Saint Bernard of Clairvaux (1090-1153), the most influential Christian of his time, bore a deep distrust of the intellect and declared that the pursuit of knowledge, unless sanctified by a holy mission, was a pagan act and therefore vile." [freetruth 50webs org/A2b htm]
@themsfightinwoids I could easily quote Atheist mass murderers. Why don't you mention the fact that it was the Catholic Church which built the universities of Europe. The church encouraged learning, the scientific method was first develop[ed by the Catholic Church. The scientific revolution was achieved by men who were almost all devout Christians such as Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Boyle, etc.
@AntiFascist2011 "the Catholic Church which built the universities of Europe."
That's one hell of a broad claim. Citation needed, LIAR.
Whatever little bit the Catholic church did to educate people is vastly overshadowed by the millenia of mysticsm and supernaturalism they teach to this day.
Thanks for showing the other readers here how thoroughly dishonest and evasive an apologist such as you must be to defend your ancient dogma. My work is done here. Go ahead and reply -- I won't read it.
@themsfightinwoids Typical atheist, you can only resort to insults revealing your rudeness and arrogance. The very language you speak was first written down by Catholic monks. All Northern European languages are written in either the Latin or Cyrillic alphabets thanks to the Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches.
Northern Europe was civilized by the Catholic Church. Mysticism and supernaturalism are part of what makes us human. Atheists like you can only resort to using insults and rhetoric.
@themsfightinwoids Even if you were presented with overwhelming evidence, would you accept it? Or would you try to find more excuses.
The whole point of science is that it is the study of the natural universe without recourse to supernatural explanations.
No one needs to give $ to clergy, that isn't what religion is about. By that measure, every single sport is solely about fleecing sheeple fans to give money to sports stars and team owners. The same can be said for TV, music and movies.
"Even if you were presented with overwhelming evidence, would you accept it? Or would you try to find more excuses."
Your god could show his existence easily in a million ways (blaze it in the sky, broadcast a message on all radio & TV stations, write it in the plasma of cells, etc. You PRETEND to have evidence of your invisible, god, but can't provide ANY. That's why almost all top scientists are atheists.
Roman municipalities supplied free elementary instruction for the children of all workers ... Practically every Roman worker could read and write by the year 380 AD, when Christianity began to have real power. By 480 nearly every school in the Empire was destroyed. By 580 & until 1780 at least, 90 to 95 % of Europe were illiterate and densely ignorant. That is the undisputed historical record of Christianity as regards education.
The Story Of Religious Controversy by Joseph McCabe
@themsfightinwoids The Bible demands that people become literate in order to read it. Atheism doesn't encourage anything except selfishness and materialism.
By the year 380 AD the Roman Empire had been Christian led for decades. That encouraged literacy. By 480 AD the Roman Empire had been overrun by PAGAN barbarian tribes (Vandals, Saxons, Huns, Visigoths, etc). It was the Pagans who destroyed nearly every school in the Empire and Christians who rebuilt them.
@TheAnniepies Atheists have murdered more than all religions put together. Stalin, Mao & Pol Pot. Not to mention cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer and millions of other atheist criminals. Crusades? SELF-DEFENCE against Islamic Jihad. If it wasn't for the Crusades you would be blowing yourself up in Hamas or Hezbollah now. The Crusades were no different from the Allies in WW2. Witch burnings emerged when the Churches LOST power to secular authorities.
Didn't god kill more people with his flood? And your assertion is also demonstrably false with regards to atheists killing more than christians. Witch burnings have occurred long before secularism, get your facts straight.
@realityisenough How many Nazis did the Allies kill in WW2? Even if you take the Flood story literally (its probably just a parable), the people who drowned were evil and were given plenty of warning which they rejected. As for witch burnings, why did they only emerge in certain countries a thousand years after the spread of Chrsitianity? They had more to do with Pagan folklore and superstitions as well as secular authorities which DID exist at the time.
@TheAnniepies Living in the UK and seeing burned out buildings out of my window, having grown up in a deprived working class council estate, I can tell you that the riots were selfish and totally materialistic, they had nothing to do with deprivation.
One of the rioters was a millionaire's daughter. The rioters didn't attack the government or rich bankers. They murdered poor working class people and made many more homeless.
@AntiFascist2011 "Religion is ... opposed to materialism"? Is that why the most lavish buildings in the entire world are churches, temples & mosques? Is that why the Pope lives in an enormous mansion? Is that why TV evangelists have private jets???
Your claims requires a credible citation. Belief in a magic celestial superman does not necessarily make people less greedy for material things, nor any more moral in any other sense. Non-belief at least reflects a commitment to evidence and honesty.
@TheAnniepies Materialism means that people are material objects. This is what atheists believe. Every religion rejects this. Materialism does not mean 'money, money, money'. It also doesn't mean 'nice houses' or 'flash cars'. Religion teaches people to value each other rather than material objects.
TV evangelists are often condemned by Christians themselves. Has there ever been a corrupt or naughty atheist? Or is every single atheist perfect?
Dictionary com: "Materialism: preoccupation with or emphasis on material objects, comforts, and considerations, with a disinterest in or rejection of spiritual, intellectual, or cultural values."
2. "Religion teaches people to value each other". HIGHLY disputable. Religion usually teaches us that we are ALL depraved worthless scum.
3. "God isn't some 'magic superman'. God is life." Most theists disagree with your new-age take on "god".
@TheAnniepies "disinterest in or rejection of spiritual" - Exactly. Sums up Atheism rather well, doesn't it?
"depraved worthless scum"? That's not what Christianity or any other religion I know of says. We are all sinful, yes. Selfish and with a potential for evil. Maybe even a little depraved. But that doesn't equal "worthless scum". God thinks we are valuable and precious with the potential to become angels. He just wants us to stop being so selfish and cruel to each other.
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
So the bible DOES say we are worthless and defiled.
"As it is written: 'There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become WORTHLESS; there is no one who does good, not even one.' ”
Your dogma teaches children to loathe and despise themselves , threatening them with eternal punishment for failing to belive in an undetectable omnipotent tyrant.
@TheAnniepies Christianity teaches love. Christianity teaches children to respect others. Atheism teaches children to despise themselves as worthless scum and to hate others. That's child abuse!
Romans mentions people making themselves worthless. They weren't worthless but they chose to make themselves worthless as you are doing.
@AntiFascist2011 "Atheism teaches children to despise themselves as worthless scum and to hate others"
Atheism is nothing more than a lack of conviction that gods exist. It says nothing about human worth in any direct way. It does suggest that we are not the special precious creations of a worship-addicted god who wants constant praise. As such it suggests humility, but not worthlessness or hate.
Theism is what tells us that we are ALL corrupt and hence worthless, worthy of eternal punishment.
@TheAnniepies Humility and Atheists are contradictions in terms. You don't even understand what you criticize. I already explained to you that whilst we are all corrupt to some degree (as every honest person would agree), we are NOT worthless. It is our own arrogant self-righteousness which is worthless.
Atheists aren't convinced that there is a god, and there is ZERO evidence for ANYTHING supernatural, including gods, so they are NOT in denial. It is theists who presume to know that which they have no evidence for who are in denial of reality.
Christianity teaches trusting, gullible children that they are EVIL by nature and must submit to and believe in an undetectable magic vengeant superman or else face eternal damnation.
It says very little to suggest any inherent human worth.
@TheAnniepies There is huge evidence for the supernatural, read scientists like Francis Collins, Ken Miller, Simon Conway-Morris. They're not Creationists either, they believe in theistic evolution. Or read philosophers like Alvin Planitiga and William Lane Craig.
By your standards, there is no evidence for love, truth, beauty. Prove to me that you exist as anything other than a figment of my imagination. Prove to me that England and other countries are anything more than a social contract.
@TheAnniepies Christianity teaches children that although they're not perfect (none of us are) and although we all have a potential for selfishness and evil, God (who is ultimate life and love) loves them and wants to care for them as part of His family. It also teaches them to empathise with others "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
Atheism has no inherent human worth because it doesn't say anything other than a disbelief in God.
@TheAnniepies You must have had a very sad childhood. Everyone I know who was brought up Christian tells me that they were brought up in a nurturing and loving atmosphere. You deliberately misunderstand a concept and use that misunderstanding to jump to unfounded conclusions.
Being raised Christian is self-esteem boosting not crippling. Throughout the Bible children are regarded as a gift from God and parents are told to love and nurture their children.
@AntiFascist2011 "God isn't some 'magic superman'. God is life. "
Then why call life "god"? You are clearly a theological apologist who does believe in a sentient "god" orchestrating things. Blurring your definitions is obscurantist. Either you beleive in a supernatural god (a "magic superman") or your 'god" is nothing more than nature.
@TheAnniepies supernatural does not equal 'magic'. When you say magic we all get a picture in our minds of idiots like David Copperfield. When you say 'superman' people will think of a guy in spandex flying in the sky and dodging kryptonite.
You use these loaded terms on purpose. God is alive and is the author of all life.
"Materialism means that people are material objects"
Er yeah we're made of material, life is made of non-life...We also find that our conciousness depends on the electrical pattersn which occur in our material brains which allow us to feel, think, etc.
"Religion teaches people to value each other rather than material objects.
Yeah but we ARE made of materials, that doesn't diminish the value of humans.
@TurboDally We have material bodies but we also have minds and souls. That is what differentiates us from inanimate objects. Being made from material bodies doesn't diminish us so long as we still have souls. Life is made of non-life and non-life is animated by life. The electrical patterns which occur in our material brains may be the result of our consciousness rather than the other way round. A chicken and egg situation I guess.
God is the source of all life. God is the ultimate truth.
Riots across London and spreading across England tonight. Hundreds of shops and properties burnt to the ground. People fleeing their homes in fear of their lives! What do you expect if Christianity is declining! If Johann Hari thinks he's such a bad boy, he should try his luck with the rioters. He'd be shitting his knickers!
Without religion, life is kill or be killed, survival of the fittest.
Prove to me that England is anything more than a figment of people's imagination. Does a tree know if it is English or French? Who decided on England's boundaries with Scotland and Wales? If you talk about government institutions, they're British, not English. And Churches really exist as institutions too. Why would anyone identify with a country. Religions represent real morals and principles that people can agree or disagree with. Christianity is the truth and England will die without it.
I don't give a damn if people like Johann are gay, that's his business. There are Christians who support gay rights and even some people who consider themselves both Christian and gay. And I also support free speech too. But he's completely wrong. Christianity is alive and well and growing, albeit the number attending church in England may have gone down.
@EqualAndFree You have acquired Atheism through indoctrination. Many people were indoctrinated into Atheism as children only to discover the truth of Christianity as adults. Francis Collins who led the team that discovered the human genome is one such example.
Its natural for people to join with others who have similar beliefs. Where Baptists are the largest church, most people who become Christian will join the Baptists. Where Catholics are larger, most Christians will become Catholic.
@EqualAndFree - Everyone has a belief system. Claiming that all babies start off as Atheists, as well as being BS, is similar to what the Muslims believe. They claim that every baby is born a Muslim and their job is to bring people 'back to Islam'.
I chose to become a Christian after looking at the evidence. Children brought up with Non-belief are being indoctrinated into Non-belief.
Johann Hari has now been stripped of his 2008 Orwell Prize regarding Hari’s long article for the Independent about his trip to the Central African Republic in October 2007, in which he claimed – falsely, according to the charity that took him there – that he met French soldiers who told him: “Children would bring us the severed heads of their parents and scream for help, but our orders were not to help them.’
Johann Hari is a lying hypocritical fool. Not so moral now, eh?
@Tony2438 im glad you live in europe and your country will be taken over by muslims soon, if you dont stand for something you will fall for anything, have fun being "tolerant"
Thats why people in england are getting worst and worst. Selfish, creed and many more...
pabanil 2 days ago
Love her voice....
Dangelosthlm 5 days ago
Christianity like the British Monarchy its as dead as Democracy itself.
TOLTECAAZTECA 1 week ago
babylon your religion is falling!!!!
PrazeRa 1 week ago
England civilisation was build on slavery another moral and ethical christian belief!!!!!!
PrazeRa 1 week ago
I doubt people are moral because their religion tells them to be, or because the seek reward/fear punishment. It's more likely that we get our morals from knowledge and experience with religious affiliation being coincidental.
RaptureD87 2 weeks ago
"Christianity is dying in England."
My response - Good fucking riddance !
TheAtheistSocialist 1 month ago
Why is religion dying?? Because all its claims and miraculosu accounts etc are a load of hokum, and science has answered many of life's former great mysteries.
During the reformation protestants fought for literacy and for Bible translations because they thought people were being kept in the dark by Catholicism. It is rather ironic that once people *did* become literate and put away ignorance, they began to see religion for the superstitious claptrap it is.
Knappa22 1 month ago
@Knappa22
that's why islamic countries are killing atheists because they don't want the word getting out, they will lose their power over the masses.
galerouth 1 week ago
God (ha), she's so up herself! I LOVE Johann Hari. My favourite atheist. :)
justmoijah 1 month ago
Whyyyy can't I live there??
HEDGurrection 2 months ago
@HEDGurrection what because everyone in England are smarter than u. and that people in England don't believe in a fake man
freddykrueger971 2 months ago
I like those stats.
StefanSigmundsson89 2 months ago
"God is an atheist, Satan is a business, I don't trust religion!"-Ill Bill
TreeSmoke1999 2 months ago
لا حول ولاقوة إلا بالله
Asqalane1405 3 months ago
Oh boo hoo, you won't be the overwhelming majority anymore. DEAL WITH IT.
jeffsandychelsea 3 months ago
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" Christianity is dying " THANKS GOD ! :-)
corporacionmonstruo 3 months ago
Wow Widdencombe was thoroughly owned
ddvs2012 3 months ago
Why is Julia Childes narrating?
csmcmillion 3 months ago
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realityisenough 3 months ago
They should be using percentages rather than absolute numbers, as it doesn't reflect the increase in population over the past decades and makes the fall seem less dramatic than it is. Even though it still seems pretty dramatic with absolute numbers.
realityisenough 3 months ago
religeon Is Merely a tool made up by the powers that be to keep the ordinary citizen in his place by frightening him or her into believing that unless we live a sin free life we will go to hell, scaremongering on a grand scale.
spinaway 3 months ago
@spinaway Religion means to relate to God and to other people. Religion = civilization. What is so bad about having morals and thinking its wrong to murder your own family?
AntiFascist2011 3 months ago 3
@AntiFascist2011 Just Because Someone Does Not Believe in any god Does not make them immoral, religeon Is the biggest single cause of most wars and death In the world, your Point is rubbish we Do not Murder our own family Or neighbours because we dont believe in fairytales.
mivvie12 3 months ago
@mivvie12 Every Atheist eats babies! whats that? You don't think thats true? Its just as true as your "biggest single cause of most wars and death" claim. Especially as religion condemns such behaviour, whereas atheism doesn't. Less than 5% of wars have had anything to do with religion. Will atheists ever stop lying?
AntiFascist2011 3 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 As Per a religeous nut talking out of his Arse.
mivvie12 3 months ago
@mivvie12 How 'logical and rational' of you...
you misspelled religious by the way ;-)
AntiFascist2011 3 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 Maybe, But Your still talking out of your Arse
mivvie12 3 months ago
@mivvie12 "I don't like your facts so you must be talking out of your arse". Sorry but that doesn't work. Facts are still facts.
AntiFascist2011 2 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 facts are facts whether you like them or not.
spinaway 2 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 You know that bodily orifice where you pull your "facts" from? Close it.
TomFynn 3 months ago
@TomFynn HaHa you've really won the argument with that statement. NOT!
AntiFascist2011 3 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 Because with religion it's quite alright to murder *someone else's* family.
TomFynn 3 months ago
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@TomFynn Is it really? 'Coz thats news to me! I must of missed that part. You constantly lie about religion, but of course, atheists think theres nothing wrong with lying either...
AntiFascist2011 3 months ago 2
@AntiFascist2011 Wow, you are even ending your sentences with "NOT"? How infantile is that?
TomFynn 3 months ago
@TomFynn Its nowhere near as infantile as you. Grow up!
AntiFascist2011 2 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 LOL. From someone who would not know what facts are if they bit him in the ass? You are talking out of your Khyber.
TomFynn 2 months ago
Arguing whether or not religion or atheism has a palliative effect on society is immaterial to the matter of whether or not they are correct. But this guy did make the outrageous claim that "the factual claims Christianity makes have been proven to be false". I would have LOVED to see him try to substantiate that!
The reason for the fact that Christianity is in decline in England has nothing to do with it "losing the argument", but rather just the fact that people have just stopped caring.
stallion4life 4 months ago 4
Seriously this is no joke. Cultural marxism and globalism is slowly destroying Britain, Europe and the West. If you or our future children do not want to be puppies for the globalist elite who will take your culture, identity, earnings and effectively your entire existence then you should vote for a true national party. It's simple, globalist or nationalist. Make your choice or your country will die of a thousand cuts. This is why Christianity is decreasing. It is what globalists want.
Sheila1932 4 months ago 4
She's so full of crap. English common law, which was pretty "civilizing," existed for about two hundred years before the "introduction" of christianity, which was responsible for the "divine right of kings," a doctrine which is as far removed from an egalitarian ideal as one can get.
YY4Me133 4 months ago
@YY4Me133 English common law developed hundreds of years after England had been fully Christian. After all, its based on the Bible so it would be pretty strange if it wasn't.
As for the "divine right of kings", where in the Bible does Jesus call for that? Some medieval king could have claimed that the sun gave him the "solar right of kings". Would that invalidate sunlight?
AntiFascist2011 3 months ago 4
@AntiFascist2011 English common law was *not* based on the christian bible: "...we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." - Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Thomas Cooper
The divine right of kings was based on biblical passages, such as Romans 13:1-7.
YY4Me133 3 months ago
@YY4Me133 English common law had been around for nearly a thousand years before Jefferson was born. Whilst he was right about many things he was wrong about that. Romans 13:1-7 is about respecting legitimate authority. What did the Pagan Roman Emperors base their rule on? Besides, the divine right of kings was nothing like as oppressive as Atheist Communism.
AntiFascist2011 3 months ago 3
@AntiFascist2011 English common law was called that because it was based on the customs of the common people, as opposed to being imposed by a king or other "ruler." Christianity had nothing to do with it.
Atheism and communism have nothing to do with one another. Atheism is simply having no belief in gods. It has no dogma, no ruling authority. Blaming not believing in gods for the acts of communist dictators is like blaming not believing in Santa Claus. There's no connection.
YY4Me133 3 months ago
What's dying in England is empty boring ritual that masqueraded as faith in Jesus. Good riddance.
MPaulHolmes 4 months ago
"Christianity is dying in England " And whit it England itself, rulled by intolerant muslims and cold radical atheistic views. By england, good ridance!!!
dragaoastro69 4 months ago
I agree with him that the argument has been lost by Christianity, that is has been proven false in many of its claims (original sin, facticity of the bible, the knowability of mythic figures like Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, inter alia). Science is eating up the terrain once owned by the Church. And the nature of revelation is such that it can't keep apace with science. It's stuck in the past.
apologeticacattolica 4 months ago
Good riddens.
lebronjamesXD 4 months ago
religion fucking sucks whether its christianity, islam, or judiasm.
MrPersianpoetry 4 months ago 16
its about fucking time.
sickness2snipe 4 months ago
@sickness2snipe You will serve the Templar order with or without faith period.
templardude1 3 months ago
@templardude1 fuck you.
sickness2snipe 3 months ago
@boogiebuddy01 I've had no complaints from the many girls I've shagged. The only ugly trolls are atheists like Dawkins and Hari. Besides, according to atheism, everyone's just an ugly mutated cockroach.
AntiFascist2011 4 months ago 3
@AntiFascist2011 Also, Newton's (and co) Christianity didn't affect their results and accomplishments in science. Also, Newton's gravitational model has been since disproven, by a deist no less. Christianity will die, but I fear it will be replaced by even a more twisted monotheistic religion, maybe islam if things go bad in the following decades.
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AntiFascist2011 4 months ago
@jlmdfnbo Newton, Galileo and the others were inspired by their faith, they said so themselves. Christianity can never die because it is the truth, however England will die without it as will any other country that abandons it. Perhaps Islam will fill the void, something will have to. Countries cannot survive atheism for long.
Atheism is like AIDS. Just as AIDS destroys the immune system rendering the body helpless to infectious diseases, atheism destroys society.
AntiFascist2011 4 months ago 4
@AntiFascist2011 There's just no talking reason to you. And your name is misleading, you're fascist about your religion, suffering no other belief systems or lacks of them. Fuck you.
jlmdfnbo 4 months ago
@jlmdfnbo All you can do is resort to swearing. How logical and rational of you! You are the fascist who suffers no other belief systems. Where have I attacked Protestants, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists? Where have I even attacked ordinary atheists? I simply stated facts defending the truth from lies and propaganda.
Fascism was invented by the Atheist, Benito Mussolini. In Fascism the state replaces God and suppresses religion, something many atheists seem to support.
AntiFascist2011 4 months ago 4
@AntiFascist2011 What facts do you have that atheism not fascism destroys countries? Have you forgot that Christianity has had a track record of oppression and retardation of people to secure it's self in history?
MrButerfinger 3 months ago
@MrButerfinger Christianity has had a track record of civilizing the world. Despite this, people are still sinners and have free will. So even Christians aren't perfect. However, non-religious types can still infiltrate churches as well as so-called Christian countries. There were plenty of deists, atheists and agnostics around even hundreds of years ago. So don't blame Christianity for their crimes, which are nothing compared to secular states in the 20th century.
AntiFascist2011 2 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 have you heard of the Byzantium empire? You ether converted to Christianity or died. This idea that Christianity must be perfect so every one must follow it was carried out for centuries! This is why you had atheists in the church. Christianity forced them there. This was not the topic though. The topic was what proof do you have that atheism destroys countries.
MrButerfinger 2 months ago
@boogiebuddy01
No its not. atheism is burying your head in the sand and saying you can't see the sky.
AntiFascist2011 4 months ago 4
The commend she made at the end was /facepalm worthy.
Roflsinternets 5 months ago
I find it quite sad what has happened to England.
As for atheism, it has been around for a LONG time. In all that time, it has brought nothing of value to humanity. The name of Dawkins shall quickly be forgotten as a footnote just as the name of Lucretius has.
Yet the name of Jesus will continue to grow...and the blind cannot understand.
"...If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Pray for the lost sheep.
AlmostChosen 6 months ago 4
@AlmostChosen “Pray for the lost sheep.” That is infuriatingly patronising and condescending.
000000poizen000000 5 months ago
@AlmostChosen Nothing of value?! Hahahahha. Lets take a look at a single religion and see what its brought. The crusades, the inquisition, the burning of "heretics and witches", the delay of scientific progress that allowed medical breakthroughs that save millions each day. The ability to live in a country with real freedom of speach was only possible when an atheist included the clause about separation of church and state.
morro190 5 months ago
@morro190 Jefferson was a Deist, not an atheist, and he respected Christianity. Crusades = self-defence against Islamic Jihad. Inquisition killed 3,000 in 300 years. The burning of "heretics and witches" is exaggerated and killed just a few thousand more. Atheists murdered 100 million in 100 years. Scientific progress and medical breakthroughs came as a result of Christianity. Most of the scientists and doctors involved were Christian.
AntiFascist2011 4 months ago 4
@AntiFascist2011 Scientific progress was IMPEDED by Christianity. The crusades weren't just a
defence against islamic jihad. There was freaking nine of them, one of which
was the childrens crusade (between the 4th and 5th) where 30 000 young
children were sent to fight for god. Who cares if the inquistion or which
hunts only killed thousands, it was still in the name of god and people still died. Yours is a god
that preaches genocide, rape, and murder. And btw which athiests murded
millions.
morro190 4 months ago
@morro190 Scientific progress was CREATED by Christianity. If not, why did it take place in Christian countries. Why not in China or Iran or Pre-Columbian Mexico? (Yes I know there were some scientific discoveries and inventions in those countries but the Scientific Method was developed by Christians).
Islamic jihad has been waged non-stop by Muslims against non-Muslims since the 7th Century. Millions of Europeans and tens of millions of Africans were taken as slaves by Muslims.
AntiFascist2011 4 months ago 4
@AntiFascist2011 Yes, this is why at the time that european CHRISTIAN countries were throwing their shit in the streets and never bathed, muslim cities had sewers and bathed everyday.
morro190 4 months ago
@morro190 Which Atheists? Er, Communism (an inherently Atheistic system) murdered 100 million people in many different countries. Also, many of the leading Nazis were Atheist (such as Martin Bormann and Baldur von Schirach, head of the Hitler Youth).
AntiFascist2011 4 months ago 3
@AntiFascist2011
Almost all of your belligerent, ignorant arguments are based on a correlation/causation fallacy. You have no facts, just your warped assertions. Take a fraction of the energy you've used to spam this video (with nonsense comments), and use it to evaluate the claims of your religion. Then we may be able to actually have an adult conversation.
xMKIVxVR6x 4 months ago
@xMKIVxVR6x belligerent? Where have I been belligerent? Atheists are the belligerent ones. Constantly lying about history and slandering and insulting others. More people go to church every week in England than go to watch football. Is football dying?
I evaluated the claims of ALL religions when I was agnostic. That's why I became a Christian.
AntiFascist2011 4 months ago 2
@AlmostChosen Haha :D Atheism has brought nothing? Modern science couldn't have developed if it wouldn't have stepped out from the Christian Dark Ages to the Age of Enlightenment in the 1700s. Do you know why Galileo Galilei's heliocentric model was discarded during his time? Because of some book written by goat herders thousands of years ago. Morals don't always go hand in hand with religion. Religions will die out, while reason and kindness will prevail.
jlmdfnbo 5 months ago
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Morals, reason and kindness all come from religion and will die without it. Modern science was created by Christians. Galileo was a devout Catholic. The heliocentric model wasn't proven till further evidence became available, just as it should be according to the the scientific method. The Dark Ages were pagan and ended around 800AD as Christians civilized the Pagan Barbarian tribes. The so-called Age of Enlightenment was led by Christians such as Newton, Descartes, Kant, etc.
AntiFascist2011 4 months ago 4
@AntiFascist2011 There's just so many things wrong with your post... First of all, Catholic priests almost threw Galileo into jail at first for proving the Bible wrong. Morals have nothing to do with religion, Christian morals consist of bashing homosexuals and denying them equal rights, saying that anyone who doesn't agree with them, burns in hell forever.The Age of Enlightenment was about critical thinking and reason, no matter what the church thought. (continued...)
jlmdfnbo 4 months ago
@jlmdfnbo Galileo never proved the Bible wrong, he proved the Pagan Greek theories of Ptolemy wrong. Morals come from religion and don't exist without it. Christian morals consist of treating people equally as persons, not shouting and celebrating what people should keep private. There is no such thing as a 'homosexual' or a heterosexual for that matter. There are people who commit heterosexual or homosexual acts. Heterosexual acts are necessary for reproduction, homosexual acts aren't.
AntiFascist2011 4 months ago 3
@AlmostChosen You are asleep. You have been brainwashed, but of course brainwashed people don't realise they are brainwashed. There is zero evidence for the existence of god... end of argument.
mikeyo1234 4 months ago
@mikeyo1234 Sounds to me your in danger of losing your individuality being as you merely repeat what other atheists say isnt that the first step in indoctrination? The irony of new atheism is it sacrafices the very individuality it promotes.
How sad for its adherents
universaltrickster 4 months ago
@AlmostChosen I dont want to start a full on youtube debate, because i know how those go. However saying Atheism has brought nothing of value to humanity is the most ironic and silly statement ive ever read. In fact, its the grounding of all modern science and the modern age. Modern science is not based upon religion.... at all. However i still respect your view and im not hating! :)
tomwiddv2 4 months ago
@tomwiddv2 Actually science and the modern age is based upon Christianity. It was the Catholic Church which founded the universities of Europe. The Scientific Method was developed by Christians such as Galileo and Sir Francis Bacon., basing it on the Bible's instructions to test everything. Are Christians perfect? Of course not! No one is. But Atheism has brought nothing except materialism, selfishness, hatred, depression, drug abuse, etc.
AntiFascist2011 3 months ago 2
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hahahaha she got owned,
have you guys seen the catholic church debate with Christopher Hitchens, Stephen Fry against Anne Widdecombe? its on youtube. Its so funny! shes terrible at arguing for christianity, she actually does this backwards faith a disservice lol
i cant wait until this evil and backwards superstition finally dies out. i hope i live to see the day :)
CircusOfBedlam 6 months ago
@CircusOfBedlam A couple of slick Oxbridge media darlings bully a frumpy but genuinely honest and devoted old girl, using sophistry and rhetoric. Hardly a fair match. Fry is scared to debate anyone with a track record but try watching Hitchins' recent debate with philosopher William Lane Craig. The Hitch gives up and doesn't bother with a closing statement because Craig intellectually destroyed him.
The Truth will never die but you will. If England rejects Truth then England will die.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
Every atheist seems to either be really bitter or gay, or both, sorry but its true in most cases, not all, but most. The more Christianity declines the worse the world becomes, it's the way it has to go. Just know you with faith will be saved if you continue that faith! God bless.
lukehase 6 months ago 18
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@lukehase Every Christian seems to either be really bitter or fucking kids, or both, sorry but its true in most cases, not all, but most. The more Christianity declines the better the world becomes, it's the way it has to go. Just know you with faith will be saved from the fire of hell as it does not exist! Spaghetti monster bless
ZIZEKSKY 6 months ago
@lukehase The countries in the world with the highest percentages of athiests or irreligous people are the most developed, prosperous and have the highest standerd of living.
calebbrown1994 6 months ago
@lukehase Also religon is responicble for the rappid growth of aids, pedophillia, the vast majority of wars, virtually all terrorism.
So obviously many athiests will be bitter.
The Abrahamic faiths teach that gays should be persicuted at best or stoned to death at worst so I don't see why any self respecting gay person or even self respecting person will be a thiest. Especially one of the abrahamic cults!
calebbrown1994 6 months ago
@lukehase There's a difference between bitter and annoyed pragmatism. Trust me, it's hard hearing many of the same lay people arguments again and again without being short about dealing with them, and other things just seem to set off common-sense alarm bells that make you want to face-palm when believers seem not to notice them.
cerickNY 6 months ago
@lukehase Bitter? Most of the atheists I know, including myself (from outside testimonies) are awesome people. Cynical, perhaps. But certainly not bitter.
shinryu1285 5 months ago
ENGLAND IS FUCKED. Riots all over the country. Communities forming vigilantes defence groups all over London and Birmingham. Racial tension. This is what happens when you bring up kids without religion.
Atheism will cause anarchy and civil war.
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago 3
@AntiFascist O really? Based on what?? Why are less religious countries such as Sweden or Denmark not suffering these kinds of "tensions"?
Religions are hardly anti-racist. The notion of clan superiority is inherent to most religions.
IMO the tensions are a result of the growing gaps between the affluent rich and the rest of us increasingly struggling masses. This is the fundamental flaw of capitalism --the rich get richer and the struggling commoners get rightfully angry, eventually revolting.
TheAnniepies 7 months ago
@TheAnniepies The values in countries like Sweden and Denmark are based on Christian values. Even so, they are seeing increasing tensions. Religions are anti-racist. That's the whole point. Religion supersedes 'clan superiority'. Atheism does not. Catholic means universal, open for everyone. Christianity says there is one race, the human race.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist "Christianity says there is one race, the human race. "
Is that why God told Hebrews to slaughter entire clans, including smashing babies against rocks? Is that why the Jews were named god's "Chosen" people? Is that why the OT gives meticulous detail on how severely you can beat your slaves, depending on their race?
You're a pathetic apologist for barbarism & child-abusing ideology. Your ancestors were ignorant. YOU, however, have access to a wealth of knowledge and have no excuse.
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies The 'entire clans' slaughtered were because of their activities. They were the equivalent of the Allies slaughtering Nazis during WW2. And decent individuals from those clans who weren't evil themselves were saved and simply became Israelites. "smashing babies against rocks" is a description of something happening, not an instruction or something God wants. The 'slaves' were servants and it was temporary . I don't recall any difference in treatment according to race.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies Typical of an atheist to resort to name calling. Christianity condemns child-abuse, atheism does not. I am defending the basis of civilization including such concepts as human rights and empathy. You are trying to unravel the thread upon which civilization is based. All knowledge gained in science and other fields has supported the Christian faith. Your ancestors and mine were both civilized by Christianity. You are trying to destroy civilization.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 "Christianity condemns child-abuse"
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man has a stubborn and REBELLIOUS SON WHO WILL NOT OBEY the voice of his father; or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city ... Then all the men of the city shall STONE HIM TO DEATH with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies That was for a specific time when the Israelites were desperately trying to survive. And it was only meant for those who were out and out criminals. When was the last time you saw Christians or Jews doing that?
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 "All knowledge gained in science and other fields has supported the Christian faith"
Utterly RIDICULOUS.
A mountain of scientific disciplines robustly concur without contradiction that we evolved from lower forms of life going back 4.5 billion years. The Bible says man was poofed into existence 6000 years ago.
It also says that you can cure leprosy with bird blood (Leviticus 14), that the earth is flat (Daniel 4:10-11) and rests on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8), etc, etc, etc.
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies You're just coming out bullshit. Adam may have been the first 'spiritual' man or there may have been many generations not mentioned in the genealogy. People today still talk about the 'four corners' of the earth or sunrise and sunset. Are they stupid? Do they not know that the earth is round and goes around the sun?
Did you grow up in some fundamentalist cult? If I wasn't Christian, I would be doing something I enjoy instead of arguing with people. You're obsessed.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011
"You're just coming out bullshit"
I'm simply quoting your own bible!
You're just a typical ignorant apologist who doesn't dare look too deeply at the horror in his own moral rule book (Bible).
Your bible depics a madman god. Even if you call it all metaphor (which Jesus disputed, btw), it still teaches you to terrorize your children with self-hatred and fear of everlasting punishment.
Religions are just an industry designed to perpetuate by taking advantage of human weaknesses.
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
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@TheAnniepies You are just another typical Atheist Fundamentalist. According to you love would be designed by industry to make money from human weakness, just look how much money companies make from Valentines Day.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago 2
@AntiFascist2011 "Your ancestors and mine were both civilized by Christianity"
More utter ignorance.
The Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, and "witch" burnings are just 3 of hundreds of examples listed at notachristian org /christianatrocities html
...but of course you are too dishonest to even look.
The Dark Ages severely stunted the world's scientific advancement starting about 1500 years ago. We would be far ahead, far more civilized had your bullshit cult never have spawned off Judaism.
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
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AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies If it wasn't for Christianity which is THE TRUTH, you would still be living in a cave unable to read or write! The very language you type in was first written by CHRISTIAN MONKS who civilized your savage barbarian ancestors.
Your entire life and existence is pure bullshit.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist
"If it wasn't for Christianity .. you would still be living in a cave unable to read or write!"
Men lived in caves until the time of jesus and couldn't read or write until then??
The church encouraged ignorance: "Saint Bernard of Clairvaux (1090-1153), the most influential Christian of his time, bore a deep distrust of the intellect and declared that the pursuit of knowledge, unless sanctified by a holy mission, was a pagan act and therefore vile." [freetruth 50webs org/A2b htm]
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@themsfightinwoids I could easily quote Atheist mass murderers. Why don't you mention the fact that it was the Catholic Church which built the universities of Europe. The church encouraged learning, the scientific method was first develop[ed by the Catholic Church. The scientific revolution was achieved by men who were almost all devout Christians such as Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Boyle, etc.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 "the Catholic Church which built the universities of Europe."
That's one hell of a broad claim. Citation needed, LIAR.
Whatever little bit the Catholic church did to educate people is vastly overshadowed by the millenia of mysticsm and supernaturalism they teach to this day.
Thanks for showing the other readers here how thoroughly dishonest and evasive an apologist such as you must be to defend your ancient dogma. My work is done here. Go ahead and reply -- I won't read it.
themsfightinwoids 6 months ago
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@themsfightinwoids Typical atheist, you can only resort to insults revealing your rudeness and arrogance. The very language you speak was first written down by Catholic monks. All Northern European languages are written in either the Latin or Cyrillic alphabets thanks to the Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches.
Northern Europe was civilized by the Catholic Church. Mysticism and supernaturalism are part of what makes us human. Atheists like you can only resort to using insults and rhetoric.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago 2
@AntiFascist
"Christianity which is THE TRUTH"
Your claim that supernatural magics and claims of Christianity are "THE TRUTH" requires evidence.
Having an old book that calls itself true isn't proof of it's truth. The same argument can be made of serveral other "holy" books.
It's longevity isn't evidence either--there are older religions.
NOTHING supernatural, including all gods and religions, has EVER been evidenced.
Your bibble is a fairy tale for immatured sheeple who give $ to clergy.
themsfightinwoids 6 months ago
@themsfightinwoids Even if you were presented with overwhelming evidence, would you accept it? Or would you try to find more excuses.
The whole point of science is that it is the study of the natural universe without recourse to supernatural explanations.
No one needs to give $ to clergy, that isn't what religion is about. By that measure, every single sport is solely about fleecing sheeple fans to give money to sports stars and team owners. The same can be said for TV, music and movies.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011
"Even if you were presented with overwhelming evidence, would you accept it? Or would you try to find more excuses."
Your god could show his existence easily in a million ways (blaze it in the sky, broadcast a message on all radio & TV stations, write it in the plasma of cells, etc. You PRETEND to have evidence of your invisible, god, but can't provide ANY. That's why almost all top scientists are atheists.
Honest people don't believe things without basis.
themsfightinwoids 6 months ago
@AntiFascist
Roman municipalities supplied free elementary instruction for the children of all workers ... Practically every Roman worker could read and write by the year 380 AD, when Christianity began to have real power. By 480 nearly every school in the Empire was destroyed. By 580 & until 1780 at least, 90 to 95 % of Europe were illiterate and densely ignorant. That is the undisputed historical record of Christianity as regards education.
The Story Of Religious Controversy by Joseph McCabe
themsfightinwoids 6 months ago
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@themsfightinwoids The Bible demands that people become literate in order to read it. Atheism doesn't encourage anything except selfishness and materialism.
By the year 380 AD the Roman Empire had been Christian led for decades. That encouraged literacy. By 480 AD the Roman Empire had been overrun by PAGAN barbarian tribes (Vandals, Saxons, Huns, Visigoths, etc). It was the Pagans who destroyed nearly every school in the Empire and Christians who rebuilt them.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies Atheists have murdered more than all religions put together. Stalin, Mao & Pol Pot. Not to mention cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer and millions of other atheist criminals. Crusades? SELF-DEFENCE against Islamic Jihad. If it wasn't for the Crusades you would be blowing yourself up in Hamas or Hezbollah now. The Crusades were no different from the Allies in WW2. Witch burnings emerged when the Churches LOST power to secular authorities.
The Dark Ages were PAGAN, not Christian.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011
Didn't god kill more people with his flood? And your assertion is also demonstrably false with regards to atheists killing more than christians. Witch burnings have occurred long before secularism, get your facts straight.
realityisenough 3 months ago
@realityisenough How many Nazis did the Allies kill in WW2? Even if you take the Flood story literally (its probably just a parable), the people who drowned were evil and were given plenty of warning which they rejected. As for witch burnings, why did they only emerge in certain countries a thousand years after the spread of Chrsitianity? They had more to do with Pagan folklore and superstitions as well as secular authorities which DID exist at the time.
AntiFascist2011 3 months ago
@TheAnniepies Living in the UK and seeing burned out buildings out of my window, having grown up in a deprived working class council estate, I can tell you that the riots were selfish and totally materialistic, they had nothing to do with deprivation.
One of the rioters was a millionaire's daughter. The rioters didn't attack the government or rich bankers. They murdered poor working class people and made many more homeless.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies Extreme capitalism is inherent to atheism unless it is suppressed by communism. Atheism is materialistic.
Religion says that the rich should help the poor and that everyone is equal. Religion is spiritual and opposed to materialism.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 "Religion is ... opposed to materialism"? Is that why the most lavish buildings in the entire world are churches, temples & mosques? Is that why the Pope lives in an enormous mansion? Is that why TV evangelists have private jets???
Your claims requires a credible citation. Belief in a magic celestial superman does not necessarily make people less greedy for material things, nor any more moral in any other sense. Non-belief at least reflects a commitment to evidence and honesty.
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies Materialism means that people are material objects. This is what atheists believe. Every religion rejects this. Materialism does not mean 'money, money, money'. It also doesn't mean 'nice houses' or 'flash cars'. Religion teaches people to value each other rather than material objects.
TV evangelists are often condemned by Christians themselves. Has there ever been a corrupt or naughty atheist? Or is every single atheist perfect?
God isn't some 'magic superman'. God is life.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 1. Your definition is not the only one:
Dictionary com: "Materialism: preoccupation with or emphasis on material objects, comforts, and considerations, with a disinterest in or rejection of spiritual, intellectual, or cultural values."
2. "Religion teaches people to value each other". HIGHLY disputable. Religion usually teaches us that we are ALL depraved worthless scum.
3. "God isn't some 'magic superman'. God is life." Most theists disagree with your new-age take on "god".
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies "disinterest in or rejection of spiritual" - Exactly. Sums up Atheism rather well, doesn't it?
"depraved worthless scum"? That's not what Christianity or any other religion I know of says. We are all sinful, yes. Selfish and with a potential for evil. Maybe even a little depraved. But that doesn't equal "worthless scum". God thinks we are valuable and precious with the potential to become angels. He just wants us to stop being so selfish and cruel to each other.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011
Luke 17:10: "So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’”
Mark 7:21-23:
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
So the bible DOES say we are worthless and defiled.
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies Where does it say 'worthless'?
Luke 17:10 is telling Christians (especially priests or pastors) to be humble and not arrogant.
Mark 7:21-23 tells the truth about the evil within us and how it defiles us if we embrace it.
We are defiled until we turn back to God. We are unworthy in the sense that we should be humble and not arrogant, but we are never worthless.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011
"Where does it [the bible] say 'worthless'?"
RIGHT HERE:
Romans 3:10-12:
"As it is written: 'There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become WORTHLESS; there is no one who does good, not even one.' ”
Your dogma teaches children to loathe and despise themselves , threatening them with eternal punishment for failing to belive in an undetectable omnipotent tyrant.
That's CHILD ABUSE.
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies Christianity teaches love. Christianity teaches children to respect others. Atheism teaches children to despise themselves as worthless scum and to hate others. That's child abuse!
Romans mentions people making themselves worthless. They weren't worthless but they chose to make themselves worthless as you are doing.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 "Atheism teaches children to despise themselves as worthless scum and to hate others"
Atheism is nothing more than a lack of conviction that gods exist. It says nothing about human worth in any direct way. It does suggest that we are not the special precious creations of a worship-addicted god who wants constant praise. As such it suggests humility, but not worthlessness or hate.
Theism is what tells us that we are ALL corrupt and hence worthless, worthy of eternal punishment.
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
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@TheAnniepies Humility and Atheists are contradictions in terms. You don't even understand what you criticize. I already explained to you that whilst we are all corrupt to some degree (as every honest person would agree), we are NOT worthless. It is our own arrogant self-righteousness which is worthless.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist
Atheists aren't convinced that there is a god, and there is ZERO evidence for ANYTHING supernatural, including gods, so they are NOT in denial. It is theists who presume to know that which they have no evidence for who are in denial of reality.
Christianity teaches trusting, gullible children that they are EVIL by nature and must submit to and believe in an undetectable magic vengeant superman or else face eternal damnation.
It says very little to suggest any inherent human worth.
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies There is huge evidence for the supernatural, read scientists like Francis Collins, Ken Miller, Simon Conway-Morris. They're not Creationists either, they believe in theistic evolution. Or read philosophers like Alvin Planitiga and William Lane Craig.
By your standards, there is no evidence for love, truth, beauty. Prove to me that you exist as anything other than a figment of my imagination. Prove to me that England and other countries are anything more than a social contract.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies Christianity teaches children that although they're not perfect (none of us are) and although we all have a potential for selfishness and evil, God (who is ultimate life and love) loves them and wants to care for them as part of His family. It also teaches them to empathise with others "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
Atheism has no inherent human worth because it doesn't say anything other than a disbelief in God.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011
"Christianity teaches children ... we all have A POTENTIAL for selfishness and evil"
BULLSHIT.
The Original Sin concept indoctrinates children with the self-esteem-crippling horror that they are BORN WICKED:
Psalm 51:5 "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me."
Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked"
Psalm 58:3 "The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak lies go astray from birth."
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
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@TheAnniepies You must have had a very sad childhood. Everyone I know who was brought up Christian tells me that they were brought up in a nurturing and loving atmosphere. You deliberately misunderstand a concept and use that misunderstanding to jump to unfounded conclusions.
Being raised Christian is self-esteem boosting not crippling. Throughout the Bible children are regarded as a gift from God and parents are told to love and nurture their children.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 "God isn't some 'magic superman'. God is life. "
Then why call life "god"? You are clearly a theological apologist who does believe in a sentient "god" orchestrating things. Blurring your definitions is obscurantist. Either you beleive in a supernatural god (a "magic superman") or your 'god" is nothing more than nature.
TheAnniepies 6 months ago
@TheAnniepies supernatural does not equal 'magic'. When you say magic we all get a picture in our minds of idiots like David Copperfield. When you say 'superman' people will think of a guy in spandex flying in the sky and dodging kryptonite.
You use these loaded terms on purpose. God is alive and is the author of all life.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
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@AntiFascist2011
"supernatural does not equal 'magic'"
Ya it is!
""disinterest in or rejection of spiritual" - Exactly. Sums up Atheism rather well, doesn't it?"
No, atheism is absence of belief in GODS, not absence of belief in spirituality- many Buddhists are atheists AND spiritual.
TurboDally 6 months ago
@AntiFascist2011
"Materialism means that people are material objects"
Er yeah we're made of material, life is made of non-life...We also find that our conciousness depends on the electrical pattersn which occur in our material brains which allow us to feel, think, etc.
"Religion teaches people to value each other rather than material objects.
Yeah but we ARE made of materials, that doesn't diminish the value of humans.
"God is life"
Well I've got trillions of gods in my gut.
TurboDally 6 months ago
@TurboDally We have material bodies but we also have minds and souls. That is what differentiates us from inanimate objects. Being made from material bodies doesn't diminish us so long as we still have souls. Life is made of non-life and non-life is animated by life. The electrical patterns which occur in our material brains may be the result of our consciousness rather than the other way round. A chicken and egg situation I guess.
God is the source of all life. God is the ultimate truth.
AntiFascist2011 6 months ago
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TheAnniepies 6 months ago
Riots across London and spreading across England tonight. Hundreds of shops and properties burnt to the ground. People fleeing their homes in fear of their lives! What do you expect if Christianity is declining! If Johann Hari thinks he's such a bad boy, he should try his luck with the rioters. He'd be shitting his knickers!
Without religion, life is kill or be killed, survival of the fittest.
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
Prove to me that England is anything more than a figment of people's imagination. Does a tree know if it is English or French? Who decided on England's boundaries with Scotland and Wales? If you talk about government institutions, they're British, not English. And Churches really exist as institutions too. Why would anyone identify with a country. Religions represent real morals and principles that people can agree or disagree with. Christianity is the truth and England will die without it.
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
Christianity hasn't lost any arguments, Johann is lying and deluding himself for his own political and lifestyle reasons.
Christianity gave Johan those values of forgiveness, kindness and charity and without Christianity those values would die out.
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
I don't give a damn if people like Johann are gay, that's his business. There are Christians who support gay rights and even some people who consider themselves both Christian and gay. And I also support free speech too. But he's completely wrong. Christianity is alive and well and growing, albeit the number attending church in England may have gone down.
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
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@EqualAndFree You have acquired Atheism through indoctrination. Many people were indoctrinated into Atheism as children only to discover the truth of Christianity as adults. Francis Collins who led the team that discovered the human genome is one such example.
Its natural for people to join with others who have similar beliefs. Where Baptists are the largest church, most people who become Christian will join the Baptists. Where Catholics are larger, most Christians will become Catholic.
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
@EqualAndFree - Everyone has a belief system. Claiming that all babies start off as Atheists, as well as being BS, is similar to what the Muslims believe. They claim that every baby is born a Muslim and their job is to bring people 'back to Islam'.
I chose to become a Christian after looking at the evidence. Children brought up with Non-belief are being indoctrinated into Non-belief.
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
@AntiFascist2011 You do realize the term Non-belief doesn't exactly fit for I BELIEVE THERE ISN'T A GOD!
The statement, babies are atheists, means that they don't believe in god until they're taught.
Nothing more.
As far as belief system, you will find many atheists do not fit under the definition of a Belief System.
Basic under standing of latin roots and all that "education" you keep spouting, would quickly explain this to you.
You fail on such an intellectual level it's hilarious
Microtardz 7 months ago
Where did you get your morals from Johann? And how many generations will those morals last without the religion that taught you them?
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
Johann Hari has now been stripped of his 2008 Orwell Prize regarding Hari’s long article for the Independent about his trip to the Central African Republic in October 2007, in which he claimed – falsely, according to the charity that took him there – that he met French soldiers who told him: “Children would bring us the severed heads of their parents and scream for help, but our orders were not to help them.’
Johann Hari is a lying hypocritical fool. Not so moral now, eh?
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
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AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
@EqualAndFree - Well its about time Atheism was put out of its misery seeing how its older than Christianity.
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
Christianity civilised England and gave it all of its culture. Without it England will die.
AntiFascist2011 7 months ago
Religious older people are the worst. They need comfort in their myths so badly they can't come to terms w/ reality.
CoreyfromEarth 7 months ago
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beradification 7 months ago
anne's voice is price
beradification 7 months ago
Remember the devil will do whatever it takes to have people not believe in Jesus.
MRBLACKPEARL04 7 months ago
im glad i live in America, ive never met an athiest in person
13craj 7 months ago
@13craj I am glad you live in the US so I do not have to meet you
Tony2438 7 months ago
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@Tony2438 im glad you live in europe and your country will be taken over by muslims soon, if you dont stand for something you will fall for anything, have fun being "tolerant"
13craj 7 months ago