OKLAHOMA CITY - State Rep. Sally Kern (R-Oklahoma City) issued the following statement today in response to the criticisms of homosexual activists who have objected to a recent speech she gave on their efforts to promote their agenda at both the federal and state level.
"To put this simply, as a Christian I believe homosexuality is not moral. Obviously, you have the right as an American to choose that lifestyle, but I also have the rig
I rather Love than Hate. I'm not asking anybody to say homosexuality is perfect or the better option, I'm asking for those who don't accept it to at least respect my right to choose who I love.
I would dare any person who is against homosexuality to give me an argument against it that has NOTHING to do with religion... I've ask this a MILLION times and they CAN'T. People use GOD when is convenient, Religion can be is dangerous in the context that because you believe in him your better than me. Well GOD said: "Respect, Love one another"
@Lizaboricua21 I've known atheists who were also virulent homophobes. Their argment usually goes something like "it isn't natural" or "it's gross" or "we must protect the children from (pro-gay) indoctrination"...usually they are people with some personal bone to pick with some gay person who did them wrong OR they're pathetic apologists for people who are anti-gay on religious grounds (really nauseating)...
I just wanted to know what is "Christ-like" about the Sally Kern mentality? So, people like Sally believe Christ will come again, here on earth... do you think if that happens, the homosexuals will be the first ones he'll be addressing. PUH-LEASE! Live & let live. Who you are sleeping with is one of the LEAST RELEVANT THINGS in someone's life.
The Bible is the source of enormous amounts of hatred, bigotry and ignorance. If the Bible is an accurate representation of God, then the second coming of Christ will be the worst thing that could possibly happen.
I say Sally is a bigot - kind of like the bigots in the KKK....
But you can be a bigot in this country!!! That's what is great about this country, you can be a bigot and hateful and stupid... And get elected to the state house!!!
Was Sally Kern dropped on her head when she was a child? If I were an Oklahoman, I'd be seriously fucking embarrassed that a freak like Sally Kern was voted in to represent me. That's just really embarrassing for the state of Oklahoma - it just makes the lot of them look like a bunch of stupid, hateful, insane clods.
I think it's funny that people use arguments to shoot down gay marriage but when we use the same arguments to support gay marriage they scream that it's not the same or connected. Think about when we say the blacks and whites couldn't marry, they say that it's not that same but the they will through in really STUPID things like marrying a dog and want us to believe their point of view.
I don't care who you marry why do you care who I marry.
The first time the first couple had to pay a nickel for a marriage license it stopped being a religious action. Remember if you don't like same sex marriage don't marry someone of the same sex. We gays started out poor and worked our way up to out cast and been getting kicked around ever since. Ms. Kern look out your window, open your door, and let the truth come in. We Gay Americans have stayed in the shadows for way to long. We knocked down the closet door and now we are knocking on yours.
I'm greatfull that in this world some people have time to read the bible... don't u work, study, read the paper, watch the news? F*ck... The real bible is being written today, and you just have to take a look at the contries wich hate homosexuality, they are the ones with worst situations... just get a blowjob, you need it. How do I know it? I saw tha in the bible!
So, Ralph, is your solution to world peace that nobody speak their mind? Maybe only people that agree with you should speak their mind - - is that it? Maybe you should find a way to label every word that disagrees with you as "hate speech" so you can have it purged from the marketplace of ideas. Is that your idea of "peace on earth, good will to men?"
It's old, and written by mortal men with limited knowledge and mental issues of their own if they truly thought they were hearing God's voice in their simple little heads. You follow the words of nut jobs, lol
If you're going to call gays pedophiles and necrophiles, ProudAmericanGuy, then you should change your name. Its not the American thing to do, to hate. I'm a proud American drag queen and love the Patriot Guard Riders. I'm standing up for America because its not a land of hate and haters, and the world should know who the haters are.
Congratulations Ralpjhdraw2, that was funny! I bet they don't even call all of them back - or take all the messages.
Proudamericanguy, I joined the PGR and my dad was a veteran. See my other videos. If you ARE a veteran, you'd be the first to call me those things, they respect me.
I have never condoned beating or physically harming homosexuals , I do not engage in the activities of that Phelps cult.
I also do not condone or accept the choice of behavior which is unnatural ,unhealthy, and unacceptable to anyone who has a normal healthy mind and spirit.
Can I still wave my fucking flag? That's what its about. I didn't choose to be gay dude, and some gays don't like me because I speak my mind. The fact that most of my friends are straight should tell you something.
You keep deluding yourself on the idea that homosexuals are not born homosexual. Go right ahead and live in ignorance. Unless you are born gay, you have no voice in the matter because you can never truly understand our lives. Millions of people in the world today did not choose to be gay. Think logically man. It just makes no reasonable sense what so ever that millions would choose to be hated and persecuted. You are both stubborn and arrogant. I feel sorry for you. Your life must be a sad one.
Is not proudamericanguy entitled to his opinion? Each religion has its ideas about how the human soul is made, how Man connects to his Creator, and how he deals with evil. Each religion has its LOGICAL conclusions based on its articles of faith, just as your religion does.
Are you saying that your religion is better than ours? Are you saying that everyone who does not accept by faith your conclusions is stubborn and arrogant? My, my! Aren't we the tolerant one.
No, Christianity is saying it's the only true religion. My religion stays quiet. It doesn't try and force itself or it's beliefs on other people they way christianity does. In that, I would have to say though that my religion IS better than yours.
They are only in that criteria in your own little mind. Medical and mental health professionals are all agreed that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. It's simply a different way of expressing love. You know what love is right? It's the good stuff that God wants us to share with others. How about you try being as God wants you to be. Love your fellow man and mind your own business on who he/she sleeps with. It's none of your concern. Stupidity is a poor choice. Too bad you chose it.
Not all medical and mental health professionals agree. You have stated something that simply isn't true. But you are certainly free to keep repeating this urban legend until it becomes "truth" for all the little kiddies.
By the way, have you heard that Microsoft is giving away 100 bucks for every time you forward certain emails? Oh, it's true! I saw it on the email. How dare you doubt me! Well, I will just forward this here email anyway. Don't wanna miss out, you know.
OK, so there many be a couple of narrow minded professionals left but in time even they will come around. Science gives them nothing at all to be able to conclude that homosexuality is a mental disease. They can bury their heads all they want, their just fighting the truth the same as you do. There is nothing mentally or morally wrong with homosexuals. The only thing you can say to try and make your comments true is "The bible says so". Big flippin deal. The bible is not the law of the world.
By the way,I'm not sure how you can comfortably sit there in all your false glory and say that homosexuals being born homosexual is an urban legend. Anyone can easily look up urban legends and see that this is not there. I don't think even the keepers of urban legends want to go against a million voices that say they were born gay. Enjoy your hundred bucks from Microsoft. Let me know if you ever get it, lol
Ralph, Thank you for also posting Sally Kern's statement. In my opinion, her statement is reasonable and reflects the values of millions of Americans. She is not advocating that homosexuals be persecuted, but she is saying that she and other Americans have the right to oppose an agenda we see as immoral.
Then your opinions are just as terroristic as Sally's in that words such as hers cause dissidence and division between the people. End result of such actions is war, death and oppression. Great American values there. Way to go on keeping yourself modern and helping to seek peace for this fine planet of ours.
accept responsibility for and consequences of your behavior "
Homosexuality is a sexual identity. I accept that my life brings me love in a fashion that I can never find with a man. It brings me wholeness and completeness. The consequences of my life for me would be happiness, love, fulfillment and pride. Can you say that about your life? The fact that you feel the need to pick on people different from you tells me that you're not a very happy person at all. G2G
"...men and women with homosexual tendencies 'must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided"
Most conservative religious institutions teach that homosexuality is a chosen, addictive behavior. However, the Roman Catholic church accepts the findings of almost all human sexuality researchers and mental health therapists that a minority of humans have a homosexual orientation. This is not something that they choose; rather they discover it after puberty....
"The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love & sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men & lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social & vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men & lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals." The American Psychological Association's Statement on Homosexuality, 1994-JUL
Do not feed into the brainwashing by those who have never been gay that this is a choice for us. Ignorance is a choice. Stupidity is a choice. Bigotry and hatred are choices. Minding your own business is also a choice. How about you start exercising some better choices in your own life before you go telling others how to exercise choices in their lives. Sitting back on your unintelligent ass and telling others something they are & can't help being is a choice for them is not your call to make.
Bigotry = stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
My opinion & belief as a lesbian is that I can not control being a lesbian. It is a sexual identity I was born with. The very fact that you argue this, having not been born gay yourself shows your bigotry towards homosexuals. Men of medicine and science have researched and treated homosexuals for centuries. What they've found is that there is no cure for something that needs no cure.
Perhaps the cure lies in people learning to mind their own business and just letting others live as God designed them to live. God made me this way. It was not a choice I made somewhere in my lifetime. For as long as I can remember, my attraction has been for females. I've never been attracted to men in a physical way. I tried in my younger years but to no avail. It was like trying to be romantically involved with a foreign object. I am sexually geared towards the same sex. Can't change it.
You didn't answer my question either, you just repeated yourself. My question:
..why don't you explain how years of shock therapy and brain surgery never "cured" gay people who were forced to suffer these barbaric forms of treatment by people such as yourself who didn't believe homosexuality is an identity some people are born with and is not a "curable disease".
because eletroshock therapy and / or the type of surgery done at the time are not effective against that particular disease
certain treatments do not work on certain diseases , the proper cure ( if it is in fact a disease and not just a very poor choice of behavior ) once found whether it be gene-resequencing or some not yet found method will be effective.
So you, all on your own in all your professional knowledge have concluded that this is either a disease, a genetic deisorder or a poor choice of behavior, Uh huh. And tell me, how many years of study have you put into the homosexual life to come up with such grand conclusions? What was it in your own life that made you turn straight since we gays have (at least in a third of your opinion) turned gay. When did you have to face a choice within yourself to be gay or straight?
Heterosexuals exists because mankind needs breeders. Who are you to question God's plan for creating homosexuals? Same sex attraction even exists in the animal kingdom. Perhaps the reason is, if every living creature was to procreate, the earth would not be able to sustain enough food or energy for all the beings alive on it. If everyone was straight, imagine the boom in the population of mankind! No, I don't think the earth could handle the increase of human life if all gays went straight.
Oh and your design theory comes from the bible. I do not believe in the bible as the word of God. That argument fails with me every time. Now you breeders need to stop enjoying sex as much as you do. Enjoyable sex is perverse in God's eyes (according to the bible).
Psychologists & medical doctors all agree that the homosexual life is not a disease, yet you with all your medical training (I'm assuming you have a medical degree to speak so bluntly about a life that is not your own) with all your medical training, you've found evidence that the gay life is indeed a disease, or a bad gene or a poor choice of behavior. Interesting. Don't hold your breathe waiting for the Pulitzer for these "educated" deductions of yours. An aspirin doesn't cure stupid either.
Homosexuality would still be listed as a mental disorder medical texts today , however once homosexuals gained positions in colleges and could approve or deny texts and change definitions of course they changed it because to admit the truth would be to acknowledge their disease.
Wow! We're that powerful that we can convince all the doctors and psychologists that definitions had to be changed because a few teachers said so? And because these definitions were changed so too were the minds of medical professionals that now say homosexuality is not a disease or a mental disorder? Do you really believe that our numbers are so great that we can override the beliefs of thousands of straight professionals just by changing some definitions???
you have no idea how many homosexuals and homosexual sympathizers are running most if not all the higher institutions of learning in this country do you?
You also apparently do not know how not conforming to the politically correct ( meaning morally bankrupt ) doctrine can cost professionals their livelihoods , politicians doctors , etc yes placed strategically on the right boards ( which was done ) those "professionals" are easily coerced
Well goodie for us then. Every oppressed people need champions. I'm glad we have them in our political agenda. It's about time you narrow minded people learned the truths about God's plan. God created differences for a reason. We are all suppose to learn how to live together at peace and without prejudices. Christianity made a mess out of God's plan by removing truths from the scriptures centuries ago. The truths that judgment belongs to God alone, we are all equal and we are all God's children
God=love and love=freedom. We are free to be who we are meant to be. That is God's truth. The bible is nothing more than a collection book of chopped up and pieced together scriptures written by a multitude of mortal men, not Gods.
Besides, you have nothing to fear. According to what the religious right has to say, only 10% of the world's population is gay. Since gay is not catchy, and people can't be "turned gay", we don't have enough numbers to take over the world anyway, lol. There goes the "gay agenda theory" out the window. Now what? What excuse will you narrow minded people use to try and continue the persecution of homosexuals?
there are people who engage in perversion and try to force their agenda on the rest of humanity (the 90%)
they try to equate their deviance to normal reationships, they claim parity with persecuted races all this is bullshit homosexuality is a choice of behavior
if you want to engage in that in your own home , sail your ship as you please,
do not try to force your twisted behavior off on the rest of us while crying about how you are persecuted.
No persecution? So all the people who have been killed, raped, beat to within an inch of their lives were not persecutted? The fact that we do not enjoy all the same rights that breeders enjoy is not a form of persecution? Dude, unless you were born gay and made the choice to live your life as a str8 person, you know nothing about the homosexual life and the truth of it which is, we are born this way and we have no real choice about our sexuality.
Your words mean nothing if you do not understand the life. There is nothing wrong with our behavior. Our sex life is not perverse. It's love making. We love as God would have us love. We love better than those of you that would persecute us. We defend our love on a daily basis, defend it from persecuting people such as yourself. You use words fed to you all your life, false words about a life and love you choose not to understand. Without knowledge, you can not win this argument.
The bullshit remains with organised religions who began the persecution of homosexuals centuries ago to hide the fact that most of the founders of organised religions were themselves homosexuals. Before organised religions, homosexuality was widely accepted as just another way of loving. Christianity remains to be one of the last religions to face the truth and come around to the fact that God created homosexuals as He created all things. I am not my body. I am soul and soul is genderless.
you are simply to full f shit to discuss this with further.
I am correct in everything I said
you are either too wr up in your evil pversions , or are too mentally or genetically ill to understand that your chosen sexual behavior is unnatural , and unacceptable as a alternative lifestyle
this doesnt mean I believe you should be beaten or killed
it means that I will not accpt that pemise and that I will fight to make sure my tax money doesnt go to support your agenda.
If I were an atheist , I would still believe exactly as I do now , only I would probably be nasty about it because I would believe only in my own self interest above all others.
do not try to lay your shortcomings off on others it is / was your own choice
You are not gay. This leaves you no room for argument as you can never truly understand what a homosexual feels & lives with every day of their lives. If any of this is beyond your comprehension & you CHOOSE to steadfastly hold onto your warped beliefs about fellow human beings then I can only sympathise for you that you find it necessary to believe the lies of the devil. It is our tax money also. We will fight your agenda to the end. Stay in your mud as the world advances.
It has been proven that pedophilia & nacrophilia are mental disorders. Funny how they have tried & tried but have failed at proving homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hmmm. Ignorance is a choice, nice choice you made mr. proudamericanguy. I suppose, even the uneducated can be proud.....
Homosexuality is not a choice. I know. I'm a lesbian & I did not choose to be a lesbian. I just am. Not going to fight it, not going to pretend to be str8. Pleasing people like you is not on my priority list.
they had it proven well enough , homosexuality would still be listed ( as it was for years ) in the medical textbooks as a mental illness except homosexuals got high ranking positions in colleges and changed the textbooks
they couldn't very well have their own choice of behavior listed as a mental illness now could they?
I have never said for you to not be whatever you choose , but dont play stupid games by pretending you are born that way or that homosexuality is acceptable as a normal alternative lifestyle.
Homosexuality is not on a par with heterosexuality as being normal
What you call a game is my life. My life is not a game and I did not choose it. It's how I was born. I can no more change myself to be straight than you could change yourself to be gay. Now get off your high horse of thinking you know better than the people who are born to be homosexual and go fight a cause you might know something about. You know nothing about homosexuals or their lives given to them by God. It is not an alternative lifestyle. It is a life.
It was never proven which is why the belief and idea that it is a mental illness couldn't hold up. Medical books don't get changed purely on the whim of a select group of people. That's not even logical. You're reaching man.
Remember, DO NOT enjoy sex! It is perverse sex if you enjoy it! You may only practice sex to procreate and it MUST be done missionary style! Otherwise, the act is perverse in God's eyes AND YOU WILL BE PUNISHED AND SENT TO HELL WITH THE HOMOS!!! I won't be there though because I don't believe in hell. For those that do believe in it, it will be awaiting them. Oh and STOP touching yourself too. That's also perverse.
Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love & sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men & lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social & vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men & lesbians function every bit
Homosexuality is a disorder , the definitions were changed in the college level when homosexuals got positions that were high enouigh to allow them to change definitions and approve or disapprove of textbooks / curriculum
it had nothing to do with research
at best
Homosexuality is a mental or genetic disorder and should be cured
at worst it is simply a deranged and immoral choice of bad behavior or combinations of those things
in any case it is not an acceptable normal alternative lifestyle
OK, proudamericanguy, so why don't you explain how years of shock therapy and brain surgery never "cured" gay people who were forced to suffer these barbaric forms of treatment by people such as yourself who didn't believe homosexuality is an identity some people are born with and is not a "curable disease" as you would like to believe. Just keep hiding your head in a book written by men from well over 2000 thousand years ago, like they were so much smarter than modern science and medicine.
I just love this statement of yours, "Homosexuality is a mental or genetic disorder and should be cured". That "or" stands out like a sore thumb, proving you know nothing about homosexuality, only what has been spoon fed you by the righteous bigots of the world. How about you educate yourself on your own. Do youre own research. Prove to me by your own accounts and your own knowledge, FIRST HAND, that homosexuality can be treated. Stupid can be treated too. It's call education.
Dauger of course Christians are born that way. it is not like they just woke up one day and decide dto be Christian?! I mean, who would deliberately choose a behavior that brings down hatred, intolerance, bigotry, bashing, mean spiritedness, threats of physical violence, & terroristic death threats?! Christians just want to be left alone and be free to be who they are, free from homosexist discrimination and intolerant ignorance and hatred by homos.
it is a common tactic for military generals to exaggerate their numbers to the enemy, and homosexual extremists are no different.
Christians are born that way, they didn't just decide to wake up one day and be Christian. They choose it no more than choosing being black or jewish. Why would anyone choose a behavior that bring such hate, fascism, bashing and bigotry?!
She has every right to represent Oklahoma as long as people continue to vote for her and as long as she wins her election. Just because you disagree with her does not make you right or smart. Name a specific comment that was not true other than her belief that the homosexual agenda is more dangerous than terrorism. That one point is debatable and cannot be proven or disproven.
I can name another...that homosexuals are trying to indoctrinate school children as young as the age of two into the homosexual life. KIDS THE AGE OF TWO DO NOT GO TO SCHOOL! She's using over kill on a thought process that she can not prove. We do not have to prove her wrong. She has to prove herself right. Bring us what she claims is her proof and we'll debunk it, just like we do the supposed facts that the anti-gay populace brings to the comments section.
It's very simple. A parent drops their toddler off at a day care. A homosexual activist is on staff and reads to him "Heather Has Two Mommies." The child looks at the pictures of the young child with "Mama Jane" and "Mama Kate" and begins to process it. He sees this is different from Mom and Dad or Grandma and Grandpa. A two-year-old is too young to make a value judgement about it, but his attitude toward lesbianism has already been affected. This is called indoctrination.
I do not agree with bestiality because it is not a form of sex that can be mutually consented to. It is rape of an innocent creature. This holds true for sex with children. Not consensual and rape. Rape is a crime because it is a forced act of sexual violence. Consensual sex between two adult homosexuals is not a crime because it is not forced sex.
Gay and pedophilia are two different things. Homosexuality is an attraction to the same sex, just as heterosexuality is an attraction to the opposite sex. Does a straight man lust after ALL females, even the female children? Homosexuals are attracted to the same sex, this does not mean they are attracted to the children of that sex.
Pedophiles are in their own class. These are people who are attracted to children regardless of their sex. I do not agree w/pedophilia. I do not agree with bestiality. I DO however agree with sex between two consenting ADULTS.
Hatred is not a family value, Neither is being a fuckin' Fag. Just because someone doesn't agree with the gay life style doesn't mean its Hatred dumbass. Grow up, cry babies.
Quote sidfu :"Hatred is not a family value, Neither is being a fuckin' Fag. Just because someone doesn't agree with the gay life style doesn't mean its Hatred dumbass. Grow up, cry babies."
An example of the type of hate homosexuals have to deal with. If you did not hate the life, you'd keep your nose and negative comments out of it. You can't hide hate by saying it's not hate. Now be a good little kid and when YOU grow up, you might be allowed to play in the sand box again.
"The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love & sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men & lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social & vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men & lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals." The American Psychological Association's Statement on Homosexuality, 1994-JUL
Hmmm, I guess I can understand the loyalty if you're in service under a sitting president but as an American, you still have the right to question his motives.
Well yes, I questioned President Clinton's motives as well the same as I questioned President Bush's. My issue with both Presidents was that the military was used as a political tool. The military was not meant for that. Afghanistan was necessary, Iraq was political. We may have done the world a favor but it could have done much much better or not at all.
Yeah, you talk about morals and then talk about physically attacking someone that all of mainstream science, medicine and mental health says is born that way because they had the nerve to believe it and actually love someone of the same sex in violation of the Bible's 6 verses on homosexuality. Yet you wouldn't think of attacking a heterosexual adulterer who HARMED the person he cheated on and violated the 200+ bible verses on adultery. You're a hypocrite piece of shit.
Oh and for the record, since you stated you were born with the need and lust for the same sex and children, then when we find that cure to alter you, I am sure you will be volunteering to be cured yes? Since you were born with it, you practically admitted to being defective at birth? That will be an awesome day. Cure or abort gay babies. Your reign of terror is almost at an end.
1)Sexual orientation: More than 70 percent of the men who molest boys rate themselves as heterosexual in their adult sexual preferences. In addition, 9 percent report that they are equally heterosexual and homosexual. Only 8 percent report that they are exclusively homosexual. (THE ABEL AND HARLOW CHILD MOLESTATION PREVENTION STUDY 2001) - This was a large study involving over 16,000 adults.
*Newsflash. If you are a male and you molest a male: you are gay. You can't be hetero. Doesn't work like that. Old saying: You can pitch or you can catch, you are still playing baseball.
*Newsflash. If you are a male and you molest a male: you are gay. You can't be hetero. Doesn't work like that. Old saying: You can pitch or you can catch, you are still playing baseball.
Yes exactly. Looks like you need to actually read what I posted. Geez.
2)There are many devastating consequences of homophobia in society, not the least of which is gay/lesbian teen suicide. Gays/lesbians who don't grow up with normal dating (like their heterosexual counterparts) sometimes have stunted psychosexual development and as a result become adults attracted to teenagers. Obviously more adults attracted to teens will result in more child molestation.
3)Then of course there are adult homosexuals still in denial about their sexuality. They are MUCH MORE dangerous because their denial systems pervade every aspect of their lives. They are the ones responsible for 70% of all male child molestations. The anti-gays don't want you to know that though. Their hatred of homosexuals is much more important than a few children being molested.
Which is the main reason I support the immediate removal of children from gay room mates that applied for and as foster parents. Homosexuals should be banned from ever having children, adopting children, or being near children. A 1 mile buffer zone from all schools would also be in play.
...I support the immediate removal of children from gay room mates that applied for and as foster parents. Homosexuals should be banned from ever having children, adopting children, or being near children.
Wow. You can't even read can you. 'Out' homosexuals are no more likely to molest than REAL heterosexuals. The dangerous ones are the closeted or 'in denial' homosexuals - and YOU ENCOURAGE HOMOSEXUALS TO BE CLOSETED OR IN DENIAL WHICH MAKES YOU A CHILD MOLESTATION ADVOCATE.
'Out' homosexuals are no more likely to molest than REAL heterosexuals.
NAMBLA is a whole group of "out" homos whose sole purpose is to molest little boys. Jeffrey Curley would like to have a word with you about the molesting part. Look him up. I have yet to see gays every offer condolences for this.
Nambla has less than 1000 members. There are more men locked up serving time for molesting little girls in every state in the union. Try again, dumbass.
NAMBLA has a helluva lot more members that 1000. FAIL. This is a group that is outlawed. You really believe they are going to tell you their true numbers? You are dumber than I thought or simply a light shade of blonde.
Wow, amazing you know so much about it. All the references I see say that the FBI got hold of their mailing list for their newsletter and they have less than a thousand members, but I'm sure you know better, dumbass.
Oh I do. You forgot there are cells. Kinda like ELF. But don't let that stop you from defending them in order to make yourself look good. "Look Im a good gay!" (sick bastard)
Baptists by themselves are more likely to molest little girls than homosexuals are to molest boys - because Baptists have such a sick way of looking at sex - it perverts their minds. Sally Kern's a Baptist and she fucked up her kids with that shit.
And how are you any different when you go into a school setting telling 10 yr girls that its ok to be a lesbian, who wants to volunteer to try. What about the Vagina Monologues where lesbos like you encourage lesbianism among straights even little girls.
And Nambla isn't a group of 'out' homos. Most of their membership comes from sick married men. And many of their ringleaders were previously married and repressed their normal sexuality - otherwise, they probably wouldn't have been attracted to children in the first place - unless they were molested.
You can't keep defending homosexuality and its vices forever. You can try either or, you are doomed. You will worship a master. Either God or Science. One will be your master. And you will be crushed by one or both.
One will be your master. And you will be crushed by one or both.
Wrong. My God tells me that since science has shown that trying to change peoples sexuality is harmful and leads to deaths, ruined lives and child molestation, the MORAL DECISION is to not be anti-gay ESPECIALLY since you've admitted yourself there is no cure for it and nothing else that can be done, idiot.
First of all, I'm a guy, not a girl. I'm gay, not lesbian. Second of all, yeah, I definitely don't believe in a God that slaughtered all the Midanite children with Moses' soldiers and then rewarded those same soldiers with the surviving virgins who just had their families slaughtered by the men they're rewarded to as wives. Yeah I'm thinking that doesn't describe the Omnipotent Creator of the Universe.
Alas, but it does. You view God as a plaything. You don't respect his power or wishes. God is about love and fear. Try reading King's sometime and you'll get the message. Haven't you noticed the difference between the old and new testament? Haven't you noticed that God effectively washed his hands of us? He gave us Jesus instead to walk among us and learn about us. The path to God is through Jesus. Basically, God realized your a simpleton and you don't understand fear. So he gave you an out:love
You worship an incompetent God: Uh, they're sinning, duh, I'll flood the earth. Uh buh, that was mean. Sorry, never again. Duh but uh Sodom and Gomorrah are just cities and there are innocent children there but uh - BOOOM. Oopse. Well duh people are still uh buh sinning.
Yeah kinda like us eh? Nuke an entire city to send the message across to a particular government? The message is simple. If you are not corrupt and you accept the corruptness, then you are guilty. Sodom and Gomorrah was exactly that. Also they had a chance to repent. They chose not to.
Yeah right, Sodom and Gomorrah, where the only one righteous and worth saving, Lot, who 'found favor in the eyes of God' was such a degenerate that he offered his own daughters to be raped by a gang of men instead of protecting them. Most men would have tried to kill the men or even been raped in the daughter's place (since the rapists were gay after all) but not this lowlife. And no mention made of that being wrong or the rape and incest that occured later - not wrong at all. MORAL? A JOKE.
The men in question were queers. He offered his daughters to protect the men. God created man, he didn't create society. That was us. Our rules. However we were expected to maintain some measure of right and wrong in his eyes. Can't condone what Lot did that is between him and God.
Yeah because the daughters were worthless compared to the men - and evidently compared to himself. What a lowlife. If that happened today he'd have his children taken away and never see them again.
Can't condone what Lot did that is between him and God.
No, it's spelled out in the bible - and according to that ancient middle eastern desert tribe that viewed women and children as cattle, what Lot did obviously was righteous. That's why you can't use that book as a moral guide and that's why that book obviously wasn't authored by an Omnipotent God. Maybe a lousy limited lowlife God.
And fuck the religious rights of the Lutheran churches, Unitarians, Anglicans, United Church of Christ, Unity Churches, MCC Churches, about half of the Episcopals and many of the more liberal Methodist and Presbyterian churches who want to marry gays and lesbians. They don't have religious rights in their churches. Not in your country, dragonlord.
Churches have the right to do as they wish. Marriage is the domain of the church. Not the state, not the fed. Church wishes to recognize, fine. Feds, well we have the right to reject. And we shall. Personally, I would dissolve all marriages and disallow the states and the imperials from recognizing any union. That is the domain of the church.
Personally, I would dissolve all marriages and disallow the states and the imperials from recognizing any union. That is the domain of the church.
Which would put gays and straights in the same boat with equal rights. Gays could marry at churches that performed gay marriage. I'd have no problem with that as long as hospitals had to recognize that I was next of kin if my partner was in the hospital. I'm not sure how that would work.
My solution? Hospitals receive federal funding. While I may not recognize any union, I do recognize the passing of life. It will be incumbent of any hospital to provide visitation to all who claim they are family or friend. Or they risk losing funds. Very simple, very direct.
Dragonlord, you surprise me again... Visitation for anyone close to an ailing hospital patient? A person's life partner being able to be with them in their last hours? Just when I thought you were completely devoid of any kind of humanity.....hmmmm.
quote: "Can't condone what Lot did that is between him and God."
Exactly where you need to leave homosexuality. Between us and God. As for the governmental aspect of it, make sure your vote matters. Vote for the Sally Kern type bigots and you've done your part. We'll vote for our "gay friends" in the political field. Fighting with us on a you tube message board is going to do your agenda no good what so ever. I bet even Sally don't read this stuff.
I did, and guess what silly? He did too! BUt keep disregarding that part. You can't negotiate with God. Although I do give you points for trying. And see that what is what pisses me off right there. You claim this "we are all equal" shit but you are far from it. Only candidates you will vote for are gay friends. Guess what slackjaw? I vote for those who can do the job. If they are gay, so be it. If not so be it. Don't really care. But you do. Keep on dividing for a gay america.
Sorry, but that's not how I vote. I vote for who I think can do the best job. In the primaries if my number one priority was gay marriage I would have voted for Kucinich or Gravel. But I voted for Obama. And there were a couple of those Dems, if they'd gotten the nomination, I'd be voting for McCain in the general.
I am stuck between Obama and McCain. And Obama is not doing himself any favors either. Plus I have the opportunity to meet Mr. McCain a few years ago and spend some time with him. I really like him.
Yeah, that thing with Obama's minister was fucked up. That guy - wow. I was shocked that a leader of a church would be talking about his own country like that. I've been to that denomination and it was nothing like that.
I say go with Obama because it's kind of like the Republicans had their 8 years and things got worse if anything, give the Dems a chance. If he fucks it up bigtime it will switch back 4 years from now.
Hey Obama could still choose Condi as a running mate. That would be cool. I think it would be legal if she just switched parties. He's probably too liberal to want to do that though but I think he'd slam dunk on McCain with that.
Condi said she'd never run or accept a V.P. ticket, thank God. She's a Bush controlled puppet. She would bring with her only Bushisms and we've had enough of those, thank you very much.
Condi is her own woman. Trust me, she has had fight with the President over a lot of issues. State Department and Pentagon rarely see eye to eye. She is loyal to her party and President Bush is my President which makes me loyal to him. No different than when President Clinton was in office. I didn't care for the man, but I respected him and he was my President. Being in the military that time, I am loyal to my CiC regardless of who it is.
McCain wants to keep the war in Iraq going for as long as it takes. If it takes 100 years, we'll continue the fight he says. This is exactly why I will not be voting for him. He's a war monger too. America has given enough to this illegal war.
Unfortunately, we are stuck with this. I am so frustrated with this war that I am at the glass parking lot phase. See the problem is our military is really good at destroying armies. We really suck at rebuilding nations. I can see exactly what they were going for with the contractors and it was a good idea. But pacification requires a lot more than what they put in. There wasn't enough to go in and take care of business from start to finish.
This is what happens when you go to war against a nation with no real plans and no exit strategy. Bush went to war for daddy's sake. Bush Sr couldn't finish what he started and that made him look like a fool. This war was a war of vendetta. Our boys and girls died because Bush wanted to get even. He needs to be brought up on charges. He lied to nations, not just our own.
There was a little bit more to it than that. It was revenge over an assassination plot. Although I am glad we did manage to get Abu Nidal (he died shortly thereafter). So in one sense, we went into a war we shouldn't have gone into, but on the other hand we fixed a mistake the Italians botched up on. Either or, there was a better way to deal with Iraq.
"Only candidates you will vote for are gay friends"
LOL, I only said that because that's what you guys think. That we have this big ol agenda telling us who to vote for. Honestly, I couldn't even name you one politician that's gay. I bet you could name them all though. I try to vote for the one who is the most for the people. This is getting harder and harder to do though as they all seem to be most for themselves.
I'll have Moses, uh slaughter all the Midanites. Oooh, that must've hurt. Duh, buh they're all still duh sinning, WTF? I know I'll send Jesus to learn about them because I'm an Omnipotent God and uh duh I don't know everything. Buh. Well he duh uh has to die on the cross or this won't count uh duh. And buh if they don't believe in him even if they were raised Hindu, duh they still go to hell for ever, buh duh.
4)The self-loathing and hatred felt by homosexuals who grow up trying to repress/change their sexuality (impossible according to ALL mainstream psychological associations) leads to the kind of self-esteem problems that result in alcohol/drug addiction, sex addictions, depression, eating disorders, and other dysfunction. These things however, are unimportant to anti-gays because, like any type of bigot/racist, their contempt for people different from themselves is far more important.
I have a friend who sex offender treatment with contracts with the DOC and US Probation and he says the biggest problem he has is a gay child molester who gets a hold of a Bible in prison and thinks he's going to be straight when he gets out because he's just setting himself up to reoffend against a child. And no, my friend who runs the program is a straight CHRISTIAN with a wife and kids. But he has a doctorate in psychology and understands homosexuality and that it is not changeable.
Not changeable because he wasn't treated. I find tasers work miracles. Especially tasers in the nads. Makes a gay guy go straight faster than Ophra downing a while chicken at a buffet table.
Not changeable because he wasn't treated. I find tasers work miracles. Especially tasers in the nads. Makes a gay guy go straight faster than Ophra downing a while chicken at a buffet table.
And you talk about values and morals. You're just a sick sociopath that can't even understand the simplest of explanations and has no cognitive ability whatsoever. You're hate-based/emotion-based with no logical reasoning skills. Talk about damaging the gene pool. Pathetic.
Quoting the idiot again: "Makes a gay guy go straight faster than Ophra downing a while chicken at a buffet table."
Wow, you're racist too. Why am I not surprised.
Oh and you spelled her name wrong numb nuts. Also, I do believe the word "while" should be "whole"? Loses something in the joke when you don't use the correct words. Someone taser your "nads" recently?
Maybe you should calm down some before you start typing. Rants are so unattractive in the modern world.
oh wow...blacks and chicken equal racism. Thats nice of you to think that unfortunately, I was going with the FAT routine. But nice to know you think everything as homophobic and racist. You fucking liberal scumbag.
Actually, I'm not even sure what a liberal is, let alone a liberal scumbag but whatever. I'm a lesbian if that helps. So, you discriminate against fat people too? Again, not surprised. Black people and chicken have been the butt of white supremacist jokes for generations now, like you didn't know that. I kicked a guy in the nuts one day at a restaurant after he told a black lady not to eat up all the chicken. Rude bastard.
I could care less about someone's race. I treat them the way they act. They act like a human being, they treated like one. They act like animals, they get treated like that. Like most homosexuals are animals, I have no hesitation of treating them that way.
Yeah, you talk about morals and then talk about physically attacking someone that all of mainstream science, medicine and mental health says is born that way because they had the nerve to believe it and actually love someone of the same sex in violation of the Bible's 6 verses on homosexuality. Yet you wouldn't think of attacking a heterosexual adulterer who HARMED the person he cheated on and violated the 200+ bible verses on adultery. You're a hypocrite piece of shit.
Hey asshole, we aren't talking about the jackass adulterer. We are talking about you queers assaulting what rightfully belongs to us. So go fuck yourself, and take your homo ass and the adulterers straight to hell with you. Oh wait..your a homo..You already are in hell. My bad.
We are talking about you queers assaulting what rightfully belongs to us.
What am I going to take of yours? Your wife? Sorry, I'm a guy. Not interested. Geez, you must cry yourself to sleep at night - if you even can be that paranoid and sleep...
Hey asshole, we aren't talking about the jackass adulterer.
Yeah, and maybe you should try to figure out why when adultery is much more common than homosexuality, more prohibited by the bible and with the same punishment, death, yet you seem completely unconcerned. But you won't explain why. You just name-call. It's all you know because you operate from emotion, not logic. Like a bitch.
I am not unconcerned. But that isn't the issue is it? Nice try to spin it. Adulterers are not freaks like you however, they just want to try different sizes of vagina. Either or, they should be flogged in public for violating their marriage. It would make for some interesting tv.
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kylehkumagai 4 months ago
I don't understand what the title of this video has to do with the video
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
@xadam2dudex Kern Responds to Activist Criticisms
OKLAHOMA CITY - State Rep. Sally Kern (R-Oklahoma City) issued the following statement today in response to the criticisms of homosexual activists who have objected to a recent speech she gave on their efforts to promote their agenda at both the federal and state level.
"To put this simply, as a Christian I believe homosexuality is not moral. Obviously, you have the right as an American to choose that lifestyle, but I also have the rig
Ralphdraw3 1 year ago
I rather Love than Hate. I'm not asking anybody to say homosexuality is perfect or the better option, I'm asking for those who don't accept it to at least respect my right to choose who I love.
Lizaboricua21 1 year ago
I would dare any person who is against homosexuality to give me an argument against it that has NOTHING to do with religion... I've ask this a MILLION times and they CAN'T. People use GOD when is convenient, Religion can be is dangerous in the context that because you believe in him your better than me. Well GOD said: "Respect, Love one another"
Lizaboricua21 1 year ago
@Lizaboricua21 I've known atheists who were also virulent homophobes. Their argment usually goes something like "it isn't natural" or "it's gross" or "we must protect the children from (pro-gay) indoctrination"...usually they are people with some personal bone to pick with some gay person who did them wrong OR they're pathetic apologists for people who are anti-gay on religious grounds (really nauseating)...
105Mittens 9 months ago
smells like a closeted lesbian
raku217 1 year ago
GO Sally your great Oklahoman. If your pissing them off your winning they are only show their fear.
cowboyshooter1 1 year ago
I just wanted to know what is "Christ-like" about the Sally Kern mentality? So, people like Sally believe Christ will come again, here on earth... do you think if that happens, the homosexuals will be the first ones he'll be addressing. PUH-LEASE! Live & let live. Who you are sleeping with is one of the LEAST RELEVANT THINGS in someone's life.
drexel72 3 years ago 8
The Bible is the source of enormous amounts of hatred, bigotry and ignorance. If the Bible is an accurate representation of God, then the second coming of Christ will be the worst thing that could possibly happen.
uberjim83 3 years ago 9
I say Sally is a bigot - kind of like the bigots in the KKK....
But you can be a bigot in this country!!! That's what is great about this country, you can be a bigot and hateful and stupid... And get elected to the state house!!!
Ralphdraw3 3 years ago
If God is INFINITELY loving and kind, why did he make Sally Kern so UGLY?
plato12000 3 years ago 5
Was Sally Kern dropped on her head when she was a child? If I were an Oklahoman, I'd be seriously fucking embarrassed that a freak like Sally Kern was voted in to represent me. That's just really embarrassing for the state of Oklahoma - it just makes the lot of them look like a bunch of stupid, hateful, insane clods.
TheFitConnection 3 years ago 6
Well if it looks like a hick, and it talks like a hick...
magog1138 3 years ago 2
She wasn't voted, she signed up and no one opposed her.
Orgullomoore 3 years ago 5
I think it's funny that people use arguments to shoot down gay marriage but when we use the same arguments to support gay marriage they scream that it's not the same or connected. Think about when we say the blacks and whites couldn't marry, they say that it's not that same but the they will through in really STUPID things like marrying a dog and want us to believe their point of view.
I don't care who you marry why do you care who I marry.
usapegasus007 3 years ago 4
The first time the first couple had to pay a nickel for a marriage license it stopped being a religious action. Remember if you don't like same sex marriage don't marry someone of the same sex. We gays started out poor and worked our way up to out cast and been getting kicked around ever since. Ms. Kern look out your window, open your door, and let the truth come in. We Gay Americans have stayed in the shadows for way to long. We knocked down the closet door and now we are knocking on yours.
jazmundln 3 years ago 4
I'm greatfull that in this world some people have time to read the bible... don't u work, study, read the paper, watch the news? F*ck... The real bible is being written today, and you just have to take a look at the contries wich hate homosexuality, they are the ones with worst situations... just get a blowjob, you need it. How do I know it? I saw tha in the bible!
jockabral 3 years ago
So, Ralph, is your solution to world peace that nobody speak their mind? Maybe only people that agree with you should speak their mind - - is that it? Maybe you should find a way to label every word that disagrees with you as "hate speech" so you can have it purged from the marketplace of ideas. Is that your idea of "peace on earth, good will to men?"
AmosPressley 3 years ago
It's old, and written by mortal men with limited knowledge and mental issues of their own if they truly thought they were hearing God's voice in their simple little heads. You follow the words of nut jobs, lol
stillautumn 3 years ago
If you're going to call gays pedophiles and necrophiles, ProudAmericanGuy, then you should change your name. Its not the American thing to do, to hate. I'm a proud American drag queen and love the Patriot Guard Riders. I'm standing up for America because its not a land of hate and haters, and the world should know who the haters are.
LaReinaDelBarrio 3 years ago
calling them as I see them is the American way , you are no one to tl me anything on that score
I have fought and bled and drawn blood for this country so stuff that little noise where the sun don't shine.
Homosexuality is exactly in the same category of mental disorders as pedophilia , necrophilia , and beastiality .
it is NOT in born , and is a poor choice of perverse and dangerous sexual perversion
proudamericanguy 3 years ago 2
Congratulations Ralpjhdraw2, that was funny! I bet they don't even call all of them back - or take all the messages.
Proudamericanguy, I joined the PGR and my dad was a veteran. See my other videos. If you ARE a veteran, you'd be the first to call me those things, they respect me.
Ms. LaReina
LaReinaDelBarrio 3 years ago
they are free to respect you
Just as I am free to disagree with you .
I have never condoned beating or physically harming homosexuals , I do not engage in the activities of that Phelps cult.
I also do not condone or accept the choice of behavior which is unnatural ,unhealthy, and unacceptable to anyone who has a normal healthy mind and spirit.
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
Can I still wave my fucking flag? That's what its about. I didn't choose to be gay dude, and some gays don't like me because I speak my mind. The fact that most of my friends are straight should tell you something.
LaReinaDelBarrio 3 years ago
sure you can wave the flag
you can continue to be homosexual you certainly choose to be so however as it is NOT inborn , it is not natural nor in the design of the creator .
you are quite free to speak your mind, as I am
The fact that I have several friends who choose to be homosexual doesnt mean I must condone that perversion as some acceptable alternative lifestyle
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
You keep deluding yourself on the idea that homosexuals are not born homosexual. Go right ahead and live in ignorance. Unless you are born gay, you have no voice in the matter because you can never truly understand our lives. Millions of people in the world today did not choose to be gay. Think logically man. It just makes no reasonable sense what so ever that millions would choose to be hated and persecuted. You are both stubborn and arrogant. I feel sorry for you. Your life must be a sad one.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Is not proudamericanguy entitled to his opinion? Each religion has its ideas about how the human soul is made, how Man connects to his Creator, and how he deals with evil. Each religion has its LOGICAL conclusions based on its articles of faith, just as your religion does.
Are you saying that your religion is better than ours? Are you saying that everyone who does not accept by faith your conclusions is stubborn and arrogant? My, my! Aren't we the tolerant one.
AmosPressley 3 years ago
No, Christianity is saying it's the only true religion. My religion stays quiet. It doesn't try and force itself or it's beliefs on other people they way christianity does. In that, I would have to say though that my religion IS better than yours.
stillautumn 3 years ago
They are only in that criteria in your own little mind. Medical and mental health professionals are all agreed that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. It's simply a different way of expressing love. You know what love is right? It's the good stuff that God wants us to share with others. How about you try being as God wants you to be. Love your fellow man and mind your own business on who he/she sleeps with. It's none of your concern. Stupidity is a poor choice. Too bad you chose it.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Not all medical and mental health professionals agree. You have stated something that simply isn't true. But you are certainly free to keep repeating this urban legend until it becomes "truth" for all the little kiddies.
By the way, have you heard that Microsoft is giving away 100 bucks for every time you forward certain emails? Oh, it's true! I saw it on the email. How dare you doubt me! Well, I will just forward this here email anyway. Don't wanna miss out, you know.
AmosPressley 3 years ago
OK, so there many be a couple of narrow minded professionals left but in time even they will come around. Science gives them nothing at all to be able to conclude that homosexuality is a mental disease. They can bury their heads all they want, their just fighting the truth the same as you do. There is nothing mentally or morally wrong with homosexuals. The only thing you can say to try and make your comments true is "The bible says so". Big flippin deal. The bible is not the law of the world.
stillautumn 3 years ago
By the way,I'm not sure how you can comfortably sit there in all your false glory and say that homosexuals being born homosexual is an urban legend. Anyone can easily look up urban legends and see that this is not there. I don't think even the keepers of urban legends want to go against a million voices that say they were born gay. Enjoy your hundred bucks from Microsoft. Let me know if you ever get it, lol
stillautumn 3 years ago
Ralph, Thank you for also posting Sally Kern's statement. In my opinion, her statement is reasonable and reflects the values of millions of Americans. She is not advocating that homosexuals be persecuted, but she is saying that she and other Americans have the right to oppose an agenda we see as immoral.
AmosPressley 3 years ago
Then your opinions are just as terroristic as Sally's in that words such as hers cause dissidence and division between the people. End result of such actions is war, death and oppression. Great American values there. Way to go on keeping yourself modern and helping to seek peace for this fine planet of ours.
stillautumn 3 years ago
"Homosexuality is a behavior
accept responsibility for and consequences of your behavior "
Homosexuality is a sexual identity. I accept that my life brings me love in a fashion that I can never find with a man. It brings me wholeness and completeness. The consequences of my life for me would be happiness, love, fulfillment and pride. Can you say that about your life? The fact that you feel the need to pick on people different from you tells me that you're not a very happy person at all. G2G
stillautumn 3 years ago
[continued from last post]
"...men and women with homosexual tendencies 'must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided"
stillautumn 3 years ago
The Roman Catholic Church and homosexuality:
Most conservative religious institutions teach that homosexuality is a chosen, addictive behavior. However, the Roman Catholic church accepts the findings of almost all human sexuality researchers and mental health therapists that a minority of humans have a homosexual orientation. This is not something that they choose; rather they discover it after puberty....
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stillautumn 3 years ago
"The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love & sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men & lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social & vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men & lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals." The American Psychological Association's Statement on Homosexuality, 1994-JUL
stillautumn 3 years ago
Do not feed into the brainwashing by those who have never been gay that this is a choice for us. Ignorance is a choice. Stupidity is a choice. Bigotry and hatred are choices. Minding your own business is also a choice. How about you start exercising some better choices in your own life before you go telling others how to exercise choices in their lives. Sitting back on your unintelligent ass and telling others something they are & can't help being is a choice for them is not your call to make.
stillautumn 3 years ago
bigotry has something to do with a race or skin tone ( something a person cannot control)
Homosexuality is a behavior
accept responsibility for and consequences of your behavior
there are only two possibiilities
1 homosexuality is a disease ( mental or genetic ) if so it needs to be cured
2 homosexuality is a choice , and a behavioral one one which is not an acceptable normal alternative lifestyle
those are the only possibilities
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
Bigotry = stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
My opinion & belief as a lesbian is that I can not control being a lesbian. It is a sexual identity I was born with. The very fact that you argue this, having not been born gay yourself shows your bigotry towards homosexuals. Men of medicine and science have researched and treated homosexuals for centuries. What they've found is that there is no cure for something that needs no cure.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Perhaps the cure lies in people learning to mind their own business and just letting others live as God designed them to live. God made me this way. It was not a choice I made somewhere in my lifetime. For as long as I can remember, my attraction has been for females. I've never been attracted to men in a physical way. I tried in my younger years but to no avail. It was like trying to be romantically involved with a foreign object. I am sexually geared towards the same sex. Can't change it.
stillautumn 3 years ago
You didn't answer my question either, you just repeated yourself. My question:
..why don't you explain how years of shock therapy and brain surgery never "cured" gay people who were forced to suffer these barbaric forms of treatment by people such as yourself who didn't believe homosexuality is an identity some people are born with and is not a "curable disease".
stillautumn 3 years ago
because eletroshock therapy and / or the type of surgery done at the time are not effective against that particular disease
certain treatments do not work on certain diseases , the proper cure ( if it is in fact a disease and not just a very poor choice of behavior ) once found whether it be gene-resequencing or some not yet found method will be effective.
an aspirin doesn't cure cancer for instance
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
So you, all on your own in all your professional knowledge have concluded that this is either a disease, a genetic deisorder or a poor choice of behavior, Uh huh. And tell me, how many years of study have you put into the homosexual life to come up with such grand conclusions? What was it in your own life that made you turn straight since we gays have (at least in a third of your opinion) turned gay. When did you have to face a choice within yourself to be gay or straight?
stillautumn 3 years ago
since normal sexuality is straight that is the natural design and thus requires no choice.
there is no equity between heterosexuality and homosexuality no matter how you might wish there was
heterosexuality is the design , the natural
homosexuality is abnormal , unnatural and against the design
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
Heterosexuals exists because mankind needs breeders. Who are you to question God's plan for creating homosexuals? Same sex attraction even exists in the animal kingdom. Perhaps the reason is, if every living creature was to procreate, the earth would not be able to sustain enough food or energy for all the beings alive on it. If everyone was straight, imagine the boom in the population of mankind! No, I don't think the earth could handle the increase of human life if all gays went straight.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Oh and your design theory comes from the bible. I do not believe in the bible as the word of God. That argument fails with me every time. Now you breeders need to stop enjoying sex as much as you do. Enjoyable sex is perverse in God's eyes (according to the bible).
stillautumn 3 years ago
Psychologists & medical doctors all agree that the homosexual life is not a disease, yet you with all your medical training (I'm assuming you have a medical degree to speak so bluntly about a life that is not your own) with all your medical training, you've found evidence that the gay life is indeed a disease, or a bad gene or a poor choice of behavior. Interesting. Don't hold your breathe waiting for the Pulitzer for these "educated" deductions of yours. An aspirin doesn't cure stupid either.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Homosexuality would still be listed as a mental disorder medical texts today , however once homosexuals gained positions in colleges and could approve or deny texts and change definitions of course they changed it because to admit the truth would be to acknowledge their disease.
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
Wow! We're that powerful that we can convince all the doctors and psychologists that definitions had to be changed because a few teachers said so? And because these definitions were changed so too were the minds of medical professionals that now say homosexuality is not a disease or a mental disorder? Do you really believe that our numbers are so great that we can override the beliefs of thousands of straight professionals just by changing some definitions???
stillautumn 3 years ago
you have no idea how many homosexuals and homosexual sympathizers are running most if not all the higher institutions of learning in this country do you?
You also apparently do not know how not conforming to the politically correct ( meaning morally bankrupt ) doctrine can cost professionals their livelihoods , politicians doctors , etc yes placed strategically on the right boards ( which was done ) those "professionals" are easily coerced
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
Well goodie for us then. Every oppressed people need champions. I'm glad we have them in our political agenda. It's about time you narrow minded people learned the truths about God's plan. God created differences for a reason. We are all suppose to learn how to live together at peace and without prejudices. Christianity made a mess out of God's plan by removing truths from the scriptures centuries ago. The truths that judgment belongs to God alone, we are all equal and we are all God's children
stillautumn 3 years ago
God=love and love=freedom. We are free to be who we are meant to be. That is God's truth. The bible is nothing more than a collection book of chopped up and pieced together scriptures written by a multitude of mortal men, not Gods.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Besides, you have nothing to fear. According to what the religious right has to say, only 10% of the world's population is gay. Since gay is not catchy, and people can't be "turned gay", we don't have enough numbers to take over the world anyway, lol. There goes the "gay agenda theory" out the window. Now what? What excuse will you narrow minded people use to try and continue the persecution of homosexuals?
stillautumn 3 years ago
there is no persecution of homosexuals
there are people who engage in perversion and try to force their agenda on the rest of humanity (the 90%)
they try to equate their deviance to normal reationships, they claim parity with persecuted races all this is bullshit homosexuality is a choice of behavior
if you want to engage in that in your own home , sail your ship as you please,
do not try to force your twisted behavior off on the rest of us while crying about how you are persecuted.
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
No persecution? So all the people who have been killed, raped, beat to within an inch of their lives were not persecutted? The fact that we do not enjoy all the same rights that breeders enjoy is not a form of persecution? Dude, unless you were born gay and made the choice to live your life as a str8 person, you know nothing about the homosexual life and the truth of it which is, we are born this way and we have no real choice about our sexuality.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Your words mean nothing if you do not understand the life. There is nothing wrong with our behavior. Our sex life is not perverse. It's love making. We love as God would have us love. We love better than those of you that would persecute us. We defend our love on a daily basis, defend it from persecuting people such as yourself. You use words fed to you all your life, false words about a life and love you choose not to understand. Without knowledge, you can not win this argument.
stillautumn 3 years ago
The bullshit remains with organised religions who began the persecution of homosexuals centuries ago to hide the fact that most of the founders of organised religions were themselves homosexuals. Before organised religions, homosexuality was widely accepted as just another way of loving. Christianity remains to be one of the last religions to face the truth and come around to the fact that God created homosexuals as He created all things. I am not my body. I am soul and soul is genderless.
stillautumn 3 years ago
you are simply to full f shit to discuss this with further.
I am correct in everything I said
you are either too wr up in your evil pversions , or are too mentally or genetically ill to understand that your chosen sexual behavior is unnatural , and unacceptable as a alternative lifestyle
this doesnt mean I believe you should be beaten or killed
it means that I will not accpt that pemise and that I will fight to make sure my tax money doesnt go to support your agenda.
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
non-religious types hate and revile homosexuality
If I were an atheist , I would still believe exactly as I do now , only I would probably be nasty about it because I would believe only in my own self interest above all others.
do not try to lay your shortcomings off on others it is / was your own choice
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
You are not gay. This leaves you no room for argument as you can never truly understand what a homosexual feels & lives with every day of their lives. If any of this is beyond your comprehension & you CHOOSE to steadfastly hold onto your warped beliefs about fellow human beings then I can only sympathise for you that you find it necessary to believe the lies of the devil. It is our tax money also. We will fight your agenda to the end. Stay in your mud as the world advances.
stillautumn 3 years ago
I do not have to be a pedophile or a necrophile to know those are abnormal and unnatural sexual choices , just like homosexuality is .
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
It has been proven that pedophilia & nacrophilia are mental disorders. Funny how they have tried & tried but have failed at proving homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hmmm. Ignorance is a choice, nice choice you made mr. proudamericanguy. I suppose, even the uneducated can be proud.....
Homosexuality is not a choice. I know. I'm a lesbian & I did not choose to be a lesbian. I just am. Not going to fight it, not going to pretend to be str8. Pleasing people like you is not on my priority list.
stillautumn 3 years ago
they had it proven well enough , homosexuality would still be listed ( as it was for years ) in the medical textbooks as a mental illness except homosexuals got high ranking positions in colleges and changed the textbooks
they couldn't very well have their own choice of behavior listed as a mental illness now could they?
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
I have never said for you to not be whatever you choose , but dont play stupid games by pretending you are born that way or that homosexuality is acceptable as a normal alternative lifestyle.
Homosexuality is not on a par with heterosexuality as being normal
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
What you call a game is my life. My life is not a game and I did not choose it. It's how I was born. I can no more change myself to be straight than you could change yourself to be gay. Now get off your high horse of thinking you know better than the people who are born to be homosexual and go fight a cause you might know something about. You know nothing about homosexuals or their lives given to them by God. It is not an alternative lifestyle. It is a life.
stillautumn 3 years ago
It was never proven which is why the belief and idea that it is a mental illness couldn't hold up. Medical books don't get changed purely on the whim of a select group of people. That's not even logical. You're reaching man.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Remember, DO NOT enjoy sex! It is perverse sex if you enjoy it! You may only practice sex to procreate and it MUST be done missionary style! Otherwise, the act is perverse in God's eyes AND YOU WILL BE PUNISHED AND SENT TO HELL WITH THE HOMOS!!! I won't be there though because I don't believe in hell. For those that do believe in it, it will be awaiting them. Oh and STOP touching yourself too. That's also perverse.
stillautumn 3 years ago
"The research on homosexuality is very clear.
Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love & sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men & lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social & vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men & lesbians function every bit
as well as heterosexuals." The American
Psychological Association's Statement on
Homosexuality, 1994
stillautumn 3 years ago
those are the only possibilities
Why?
guardian22222 3 years ago
Homosexuality is a disorder , the definitions were changed in the college level when homosexuals got positions that were high enouigh to allow them to change definitions and approve or disapprove of textbooks / curriculum
it had nothing to do with research
at best
Homosexuality is a mental or genetic disorder and should be cured
at worst it is simply a deranged and immoral choice of bad behavior or combinations of those things
in any case it is not an acceptable normal alternative lifestyle
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
OK, proudamericanguy, so why don't you explain how years of shock therapy and brain surgery never "cured" gay people who were forced to suffer these barbaric forms of treatment by people such as yourself who didn't believe homosexuality is an identity some people are born with and is not a "curable disease" as you would like to believe. Just keep hiding your head in a book written by men from well over 2000 thousand years ago, like they were so much smarter than modern science and medicine.
stillautumn 3 years ago
I just love this statement of yours, "Homosexuality is a mental or genetic disorder and should be cured". That "or" stands out like a sore thumb, proving you know nothing about homosexuality, only what has been spoon fed you by the righteous bigots of the world. How about you educate yourself on your own. Do youre own research. Prove to me by your own accounts and your own knowledge, FIRST HAND, that homosexuality can be treated. Stupid can be treated too. It's call education.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Dauger of course Christians are born that way. it is not like they just woke up one day and decide dto be Christian?! I mean, who would deliberately choose a behavior that brings down hatred, intolerance, bigotry, bashing, mean spiritedness, threats of physical violence, & terroristic death threats?! Christians just want to be left alone and be free to be who they are, free from homosexist discrimination and intolerant ignorance and hatred by homos.
HeteroDefenseLeague 3 years ago
it is a common tactic for military generals to exaggerate their numbers to the enemy, and homosexual extremists are no different.
Christians are born that way, they didn't just decide to wake up one day and be Christian. They choose it no more than choosing being black or jewish. Why would anyone choose a behavior that bring such hate, fascism, bashing and bigotry?!
HeteroDefenseLeague 3 years ago
Christians are born christian?!? So much for the doctrine of faith...
Dauger1975 3 years ago
This is a really unintelligent way to address a very important and sensitive problem.
jmins405 3 years ago
You would have to know a couple of subjects to understand the name. One came from a subject in high school and the other from graduate school.
NudusPactus 3 years ago
She has every right to represent Oklahoma as long as people continue to vote for her and as long as she wins her election. Just because you disagree with her does not make you right or smart. Name a specific comment that was not true other than her belief that the homosexual agenda is more dangerous than terrorism. That one point is debatable and cannot be proven or disproven.
NudusPactus 3 years ago
I can name another...that homosexuals are trying to indoctrinate school children as young as the age of two into the homosexual life. KIDS THE AGE OF TWO DO NOT GO TO SCHOOL! She's using over kill on a thought process that she can not prove. We do not have to prove her wrong. She has to prove herself right. Bring us what she claims is her proof and we'll debunk it, just like we do the supposed facts that the anti-gay populace brings to the comments section.
stillautumn 3 years ago
It's very simple. A parent drops their toddler off at a day care. A homosexual activist is on staff and reads to him "Heather Has Two Mommies." The child looks at the pictures of the young child with "Mama Jane" and "Mama Kate" and begins to process it. He sees this is different from Mom and Dad or Grandma and Grandpa. A two-year-old is too young to make a value judgement about it, but his attitude toward lesbianism has already been affected. This is called indoctrination.
AmosPressley 3 years ago
I do not agree with bestiality because it is not a form of sex that can be mutually consented to. It is rape of an innocent creature. This holds true for sex with children. Not consensual and rape. Rape is a crime because it is a forced act of sexual violence. Consensual sex between two adult homosexuals is not a crime because it is not forced sex.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Gay and pedophilia are two different things. Homosexuality is an attraction to the same sex, just as heterosexuality is an attraction to the opposite sex. Does a straight man lust after ALL females, even the female children? Homosexuals are attracted to the same sex, this does not mean they are attracted to the children of that sex.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Pedophiles are in their own class. These are people who are attracted to children regardless of their sex. I do not agree w/pedophilia. I do not agree with bestiality. I DO however agree with sex between two consenting ADULTS.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Hatred is not a family value, Neither is being a fuckin' Fag. Just because someone doesn't agree with the gay life style doesn't mean its Hatred dumbass. Grow up, cry babies.
sidfu 3 years ago
Quote sidfu :"Hatred is not a family value, Neither is being a fuckin' Fag. Just because someone doesn't agree with the gay life style doesn't mean its Hatred dumbass. Grow up, cry babies."
An example of the type of hate homosexuals have to deal with. If you did not hate the life, you'd keep your nose and negative comments out of it. You can't hide hate by saying it's not hate. Now be a good little kid and when YOU grow up, you might be allowed to play in the sand box again.
stillautumn 3 years ago
"The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love & sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men & lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social & vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men & lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals." The American Psychological Association's Statement on Homosexuality, 1994-JUL
stillautumn 3 years ago
Hmmm, I guess I can understand the loyalty if you're in service under a sitting president but as an American, you still have the right to question his motives.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Well yes, I questioned President Clinton's motives as well the same as I questioned President Bush's. My issue with both Presidents was that the military was used as a political tool. The military was not meant for that. Afghanistan was necessary, Iraq was political. We may have done the world a favor but it could have done much much better or not at all.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Yeah, you talk about morals and then talk about physically attacking someone that all of mainstream science, medicine and mental health says is born that way because they had the nerve to believe it and actually love someone of the same sex in violation of the Bible's 6 verses on homosexuality. Yet you wouldn't think of attacking a heterosexual adulterer who HARMED the person he cheated on and violated the 200+ bible verses on adultery. You're a hypocrite piece of shit.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Oh and for the record, since you stated you were born with the need and lust for the same sex and children, then when we find that cure to alter you, I am sure you will be volunteering to be cured yes? Since you were born with it, you practically admitted to being defective at birth? That will be an awesome day. Cure or abort gay babies. Your reign of terror is almost at an end.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Never said I was born with an attraction to children. Who said that? You sicko.
guardian22222 3 years ago
That fact your gay said it.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
1)Sexual orientation: More than 70 percent of the men who molest boys rate themselves as heterosexual in their adult sexual preferences. In addition, 9 percent report that they are equally heterosexual and homosexual. Only 8 percent report that they are exclusively homosexual. (THE ABEL AND HARLOW CHILD MOLESTATION PREVENTION STUDY 2001) - This was a large study involving over 16,000 adults.
guardian22222 3 years ago
*Newsflash. If you are a male and you molest a male: you are gay. You can't be hetero. Doesn't work like that. Old saying: You can pitch or you can catch, you are still playing baseball.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
*Newsflash. If you are a male and you molest a male: you are gay. You can't be hetero. Doesn't work like that. Old saying: You can pitch or you can catch, you are still playing baseball.
Yes exactly. Looks like you need to actually read what I posted. Geez.
guardian22222 3 years ago
2)There are many devastating consequences of homophobia in society, not the least of which is gay/lesbian teen suicide. Gays/lesbians who don't grow up with normal dating (like their heterosexual counterparts) sometimes have stunted psychosexual development and as a result become adults attracted to teenagers. Obviously more adults attracted to teens will result in more child molestation.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Who cares if some queers off themselves. They are going to be emo anyway. We should give out the razorblades for free imho.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Who cares if some queers off themselves. They are going to be emo anyway. We should give out the razorblades for free imho.
And you talk about values. You're sick. Probably a sociopath that can't be helped.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Darwinism. It thins out the gene pool. Hard to support anything less.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
3)Then of course there are adult homosexuals still in denial about their sexuality. They are MUCH MORE dangerous because their denial systems pervade every aspect of their lives. They are the ones responsible for 70% of all male child molestations. The anti-gays don't want you to know that though. Their hatred of homosexuals is much more important than a few children being molested.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Which is the main reason I support the immediate removal of children from gay room mates that applied for and as foster parents. Homosexuals should be banned from ever having children, adopting children, or being near children. A 1 mile buffer zone from all schools would also be in play.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
...I support the immediate removal of children from gay room mates that applied for and as foster parents. Homosexuals should be banned from ever having children, adopting children, or being near children.
Wow. You can't even read can you. 'Out' homosexuals are no more likely to molest than REAL heterosexuals. The dangerous ones are the closeted or 'in denial' homosexuals - and YOU ENCOURAGE HOMOSEXUALS TO BE CLOSETED OR IN DENIAL WHICH MAKES YOU A CHILD MOLESTATION ADVOCATE.
guardian22222 3 years ago
'Out' homosexuals are no more likely to molest than REAL heterosexuals.
NAMBLA is a whole group of "out" homos whose sole purpose is to molest little boys. Jeffrey Curley would like to have a word with you about the molesting part. Look him up. I have yet to see gays every offer condolences for this.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Nambla has less than 1000 members. There are more men locked up serving time for molesting little girls in every state in the union. Try again, dumbass.
guardian22222 3 years ago
NAMBLA has a helluva lot more members that 1000. FAIL. This is a group that is outlawed. You really believe they are going to tell you their true numbers? You are dumber than I thought or simply a light shade of blonde.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
NAMBLA has a helluva lot more members that 1000.
Wow, amazing you know so much about it. All the references I see say that the FBI got hold of their mailing list for their newsletter and they have less than a thousand members, but I'm sure you know better, dumbass.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Oh I do. You forgot there are cells. Kinda like ELF. But don't let that stop you from defending them in order to make yourself look good. "Look Im a good gay!" (sick bastard)
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Baptists by themselves are more likely to molest little girls than homosexuals are to molest boys - because Baptists have such a sick way of looking at sex - it perverts their minds. Sally Kern's a Baptist and she fucked up her kids with that shit.
guardian22222 3 years ago
And how are you any different when you go into a school setting telling 10 yr girls that its ok to be a lesbian, who wants to volunteer to try. What about the Vagina Monologues where lesbos like you encourage lesbianism among straights even little girls.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
And Nambla isn't a group of 'out' homos. Most of their membership comes from sick married men. And many of their ringleaders were previously married and repressed their normal sexuality - otherwise, they probably wouldn't have been attracted to children in the first place - unless they were molested.
guardian22222 3 years ago
You can't keep defending homosexuality and its vices forever. You can try either or, you are doomed. You will worship a master. Either God or Science. One will be your master. And you will be crushed by one or both.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
One will be your master. And you will be crushed by one or both.
Wrong. My God tells me that since science has shown that trying to change peoples sexuality is harmful and leads to deaths, ruined lives and child molestation, the MORAL DECISION is to not be anti-gay ESPECIALLY since you've admitted yourself there is no cure for it and nothing else that can be done, idiot.
guardian22222 3 years ago
You, God? LOL!!!! You believing in God is like you having normal sex with a man. The world would implode.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
First of all, I'm a guy, not a girl. I'm gay, not lesbian. Second of all, yeah, I definitely don't believe in a God that slaughtered all the Midanite children with Moses' soldiers and then rewarded those same soldiers with the surviving virgins who just had their families slaughtered by the men they're rewarded to as wives. Yeah I'm thinking that doesn't describe the Omnipotent Creator of the Universe.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Alas, but it does. You view God as a plaything. You don't respect his power or wishes. God is about love and fear. Try reading King's sometime and you'll get the message. Haven't you noticed the difference between the old and new testament? Haven't you noticed that God effectively washed his hands of us? He gave us Jesus instead to walk among us and learn about us. The path to God is through Jesus. Basically, God realized your a simpleton and you don't understand fear. So he gave you an out:love
dragonlord10 3 years ago
So he gave you an out:love
And you've obviously taken that message to heart.
guardian22222 3 years ago
You worship an incompetent God: Uh, they're sinning, duh, I'll flood the earth. Uh buh, that was mean. Sorry, never again. Duh but uh Sodom and Gomorrah are just cities and there are innocent children there but uh - BOOOM. Oopse. Well duh people are still uh buh sinning.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Yeah kinda like us eh? Nuke an entire city to send the message across to a particular government? The message is simple. If you are not corrupt and you accept the corruptness, then you are guilty. Sodom and Gomorrah was exactly that. Also they had a chance to repent. They chose not to.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Yeah right, Sodom and Gomorrah, where the only one righteous and worth saving, Lot, who 'found favor in the eyes of God' was such a degenerate that he offered his own daughters to be raped by a gang of men instead of protecting them. Most men would have tried to kill the men or even been raped in the daughter's place (since the rapists were gay after all) but not this lowlife. And no mention made of that being wrong or the rape and incest that occured later - not wrong at all. MORAL? A JOKE.
guardian22222 3 years ago
The men in question were queers. He offered his daughters to protect the men. God created man, he didn't create society. That was us. Our rules. However we were expected to maintain some measure of right and wrong in his eyes. Can't condone what Lot did that is between him and God.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Yeah because the daughters were worthless compared to the men - and evidently compared to himself. What a lowlife. If that happened today he'd have his children taken away and never see them again.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Women were chattal. That is the way it was. It was like that all the way until what? 1930?
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Can't condone what Lot did that is between him and God.
No, it's spelled out in the bible - and according to that ancient middle eastern desert tribe that viewed women and children as cattle, what Lot did obviously was righteous. That's why you can't use that book as a moral guide and that's why that book obviously wasn't authored by an Omnipotent God. Maybe a lousy limited lowlife God.
guardian22222 3 years ago
"Maybe a lousy limited lowlife God."
Satan maybe? :D
stillautumn 3 years ago
And fuck the religious rights of the Lutheran churches, Unitarians, Anglicans, United Church of Christ, Unity Churches, MCC Churches, about half of the Episcopals and many of the more liberal Methodist and Presbyterian churches who want to marry gays and lesbians. They don't have religious rights in their churches. Not in your country, dragonlord.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Churches have the right to do as they wish. Marriage is the domain of the church. Not the state, not the fed. Church wishes to recognize, fine. Feds, well we have the right to reject. And we shall. Personally, I would dissolve all marriages and disallow the states and the imperials from recognizing any union. That is the domain of the church.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Personally, I would dissolve all marriages and disallow the states and the imperials from recognizing any union. That is the domain of the church.
Which would put gays and straights in the same boat with equal rights. Gays could marry at churches that performed gay marriage. I'd have no problem with that as long as hospitals had to recognize that I was next of kin if my partner was in the hospital. I'm not sure how that would work.
guardian22222 3 years ago
My solution? Hospitals receive federal funding. While I may not recognize any union, I do recognize the passing of life. It will be incumbent of any hospital to provide visitation to all who claim they are family or friend. Or they risk losing funds. Very simple, very direct.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Dragonlord, you surprise me again... Visitation for anyone close to an ailing hospital patient? A person's life partner being able to be with them in their last hours? Just when I thought you were completely devoid of any kind of humanity.....hmmmm.
stillautumn 3 years ago
quote: "Can't condone what Lot did that is between him and God."
Exactly where you need to leave homosexuality. Between us and God. As for the governmental aspect of it, make sure your vote matters. Vote for the Sally Kern type bigots and you've done your part. We'll vote for our "gay friends" in the political field. Fighting with us on a you tube message board is going to do your agenda no good what so ever. I bet even Sally don't read this stuff.
stillautumn 3 years ago
I did, and guess what silly? He did too! BUt keep disregarding that part. You can't negotiate with God. Although I do give you points for trying. And see that what is what pisses me off right there. You claim this "we are all equal" shit but you are far from it. Only candidates you will vote for are gay friends. Guess what slackjaw? I vote for those who can do the job. If they are gay, so be it. If not so be it. Don't really care. But you do. Keep on dividing for a gay america.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Sorry, but that's not how I vote. I vote for who I think can do the best job. In the primaries if my number one priority was gay marriage I would have voted for Kucinich or Gravel. But I voted for Obama. And there were a couple of those Dems, if they'd gotten the nomination, I'd be voting for McCain in the general.
guardian22222 3 years ago
I am stuck between Obama and McCain. And Obama is not doing himself any favors either. Plus I have the opportunity to meet Mr. McCain a few years ago and spend some time with him. I really like him.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Yeah, that thing with Obama's minister was fucked up. That guy - wow. I was shocked that a leader of a church would be talking about his own country like that. I've been to that denomination and it was nothing like that.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Let's just say MLK was spinning in his grave on that one.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
I say go with Obama because it's kind of like the Republicans had their 8 years and things got worse if anything, give the Dems a chance. If he fucks it up bigtime it will switch back 4 years from now.
guardian22222 3 years ago
I wanted Condi. She doesnt cry.....lol...and something about her just screams control. I like that and I wish she ran.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Hey Obama could still choose Condi as a running mate. That would be cool. I think it would be legal if she just switched parties. He's probably too liberal to want to do that though but I think he'd slam dunk on McCain with that.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Condi said she'd never run or accept a V.P. ticket, thank God. She's a Bush controlled puppet. She would bring with her only Bushisms and we've had enough of those, thank you very much.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Condi is her own woman. Trust me, she has had fight with the President over a lot of issues. State Department and Pentagon rarely see eye to eye. She is loyal to her party and President Bush is my President which makes me loyal to him. No different than when President Clinton was in office. I didn't care for the man, but I respected him and he was my President. Being in the military that time, I am loyal to my CiC regardless of who it is.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
McCain and Condi, that would be good. Condi and Powell even better!
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Condi LIED:
WE DON'T WANT THE SMOKING GUN TO BE A MUSHROOM CLOUD...
Condi has blood on her hands.
Ralphdraw3 3 years ago
McCain wants to keep the war in Iraq going for as long as it takes. If it takes 100 years, we'll continue the fight he says. This is exactly why I will not be voting for him. He's a war monger too. America has given enough to this illegal war.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Unfortunately, we are stuck with this. I am so frustrated with this war that I am at the glass parking lot phase. See the problem is our military is really good at destroying armies. We really suck at rebuilding nations. I can see exactly what they were going for with the contractors and it was a good idea. But pacification requires a lot more than what they put in. There wasn't enough to go in and take care of business from start to finish.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
This is what happens when you go to war against a nation with no real plans and no exit strategy. Bush went to war for daddy's sake. Bush Sr couldn't finish what he started and that made him look like a fool. This war was a war of vendetta. Our boys and girls died because Bush wanted to get even. He needs to be brought up on charges. He lied to nations, not just our own.
stillautumn 3 years ago
There was a little bit more to it than that. It was revenge over an assassination plot. Although I am glad we did manage to get Abu Nidal (he died shortly thereafter). So in one sense, we went into a war we shouldn't have gone into, but on the other hand we fixed a mistake the Italians botched up on. Either or, there was a better way to deal with Iraq.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
"Only candidates you will vote for are gay friends"
LOL, I only said that because that's what you guys think. That we have this big ol agenda telling us who to vote for. Honestly, I couldn't even name you one politician that's gay. I bet you could name them all though. I try to vote for the one who is the most for the people. This is getting harder and harder to do though as they all seem to be most for themselves.
stillautumn 3 years ago
I'll have Moses, uh slaughter all the Midanites. Oooh, that must've hurt. Duh, buh they're all still duh sinning, WTF? I know I'll send Jesus to learn about them because I'm an Omnipotent God and uh duh I don't know everything. Buh. Well he duh uh has to die on the cross or this won't count uh duh. And buh if they don't believe in him even if they were raised Hindu, duh they still go to hell for ever, buh duh.
SAD.
guardian22222 3 years ago
4)The self-loathing and hatred felt by homosexuals who grow up trying to repress/change their sexuality (impossible according to ALL mainstream psychological associations) leads to the kind of self-esteem problems that result in alcohol/drug addiction, sex addictions, depression, eating disorders, and other dysfunction. These things however, are unimportant to anti-gays because, like any type of bigot/racist, their contempt for people different from themselves is far more important.
guardian22222 3 years ago
I have a friend who sex offender treatment with contracts with the DOC and US Probation and he says the biggest problem he has is a gay child molester who gets a hold of a Bible in prison and thinks he's going to be straight when he gets out because he's just setting himself up to reoffend against a child. And no, my friend who runs the program is a straight CHRISTIAN with a wife and kids. But he has a doctorate in psychology and understands homosexuality and that it is not changeable.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Not changeable because he wasn't treated. I find tasers work miracles. Especially tasers in the nads. Makes a gay guy go straight faster than Ophra downing a while chicken at a buffet table.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Not changeable because he wasn't treated. I find tasers work miracles. Especially tasers in the nads. Makes a gay guy go straight faster than Ophra downing a while chicken at a buffet table.
And you talk about values and morals. You're just a sick sociopath that can't even understand the simplest of explanations and has no cognitive ability whatsoever. You're hate-based/emotion-based with no logical reasoning skills. Talk about damaging the gene pool. Pathetic.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Quoting the idiot again: "Makes a gay guy go straight faster than Ophra downing a while chicken at a buffet table."
Wow, you're racist too. Why am I not surprised.
Oh and you spelled her name wrong numb nuts. Also, I do believe the word "while" should be "whole"? Loses something in the joke when you don't use the correct words. Someone taser your "nads" recently?
Maybe you should calm down some before you start typing. Rants are so unattractive in the modern world.
stillautumn 3 years ago
oh wow...blacks and chicken equal racism. Thats nice of you to think that unfortunately, I was going with the FAT routine. But nice to know you think everything as homophobic and racist. You fucking liberal scumbag.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Actually, I'm not even sure what a liberal is, let alone a liberal scumbag but whatever. I'm a lesbian if that helps. So, you discriminate against fat people too? Again, not surprised. Black people and chicken have been the butt of white supremacist jokes for generations now, like you didn't know that. I kicked a guy in the nuts one day at a restaurant after he told a black lady not to eat up all the chicken. Rude bastard.
stillautumn 3 years ago
Did you ever consider, liberal, that he might have been right? She might have eaten all the chicken?
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Racism and anti-gay go hand in hand, usually with fundamentalist Chrisitanity. Disgusting.
guardian22222 3 years ago
I could care less about someone's race. I treat them the way they act. They act like a human being, they treated like one. They act like animals, they get treated like that. Like most homosexuals are animals, I have no hesitation of treating them that way.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Hey dragonlord since you act like a heifer with mad cow disease, can I treat you like one?
stillautumn 3 years ago
Sorry, no.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Yeah, you talk about morals and then talk about physically attacking someone that all of mainstream science, medicine and mental health says is born that way because they had the nerve to believe it and actually love someone of the same sex in violation of the Bible's 6 verses on homosexuality. Yet you wouldn't think of attacking a heterosexual adulterer who HARMED the person he cheated on and violated the 200+ bible verses on adultery. You're a hypocrite piece of shit.
guardian22222 3 years ago
Hey asshole, we aren't talking about the jackass adulterer. We are talking about you queers assaulting what rightfully belongs to us. So go fuck yourself, and take your homo ass and the adulterers straight to hell with you. Oh wait..your a homo..You already are in hell. My bad.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
We are talking about you queers assaulting what rightfully belongs to us.
What am I going to take of yours? Your wife? Sorry, I'm a guy. Not interested. Geez, you must cry yourself to sleep at night - if you even can be that paranoid and sleep...
guardian22222 3 years ago
Marriage, queer. That belongs to us. Our children, demon. That belongs to us. Cthulu frowns upon your pathetic attempt to usurp him.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
Hey asshole, we aren't talking about the jackass adulterer.
Yeah, and maybe you should try to figure out why when adultery is much more common than homosexuality, more prohibited by the bible and with the same punishment, death, yet you seem completely unconcerned. But you won't explain why. You just name-call. It's all you know because you operate from emotion, not logic. Like a bitch.
guardian22222 3 years ago
I am not unconcerned. But that isn't the issue is it? Nice try to spin it. Adulterers are not freaks like you however, they just want to try different sizes of vagina. Either or, they should be flogged in public for violating their marriage. It would make for some interesting tv.
dragonlord10 3 years ago
A disturbing fact continues to surface in sex abuse research. The first best predictor of abuse is alcohol or drug addiction in the father. The second most significant clue is whether or not the parents belong to a c