Yet didn't want to admit to the personhood of blacks. It is just sickening to think that one of the nation's (US) most important historical documents states boldly in the first line, "we hold theses truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal." only because one is not as big as the other doesn't mean that they aren't equal. The government leaders have such a mentality of, "we need to respect...", "this is they choice because...", "I believe in my heart ( ), but... Now th
Since 1996, Ohio law has provided that there can be a separate criminal offense for killing or injuring a woman and killing or injuring her unborn child. This strongly reflects the simple biological fact that there are indeed two human lives in every pregnancy. Sadly, since Roe v. Wade, current law also allows for the killing of an unborn child as long as it is a "choice." Simply put: when a pregnant woman wants an abortion, killing her unborn baby is her protected right. But when a pregnant w
Since 1996, Ohio law has provided that there can be a separate criminal offense for killing or injuring a woman and killing or injuring her unborn child. This strongly reflects the simple biological fact that there are indeed two human lives in every pregnancy. Sadly, since Roe v. Wade, current law also allows for the killing of an unborn child as long as it is a "choice." Simply put: when a pregnant woman wants an abortion, killing her unborn baby is her protected right. But when a pregnant w
EVERYTHING HAS RIGHTS. MY TREE HAS THE RIGHT TO LIFE. THEY SAID I HAD TO CUT MY TREE DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS DISEASED. I SAID IT WAS IMMORAL. EVEN MY ROCKS IN MY YARD HAVE RIGHTS. THEY'RE PEOPLE TOO!!!
Embryos are incapable of feeling & thinking. Fetus's can't feel anything till late in the 2nd trimester and cognition usually begins 2 years after birth. The holocaust comparison is ignorant, appalling & inexcusable. Grown people(along with their loved ones) were starved, tortured, beaten, dehumanized & gruesomely murdered; people with friends, family, memories, feelings, emotions, fears of death & painfully hopeless desires to live. Things a fetus will never have, the two can't be compared.
@TheLegendOfRandy: Doesn't a fetus have a family though? It has the potential mother and the potential father, plus those potential relatives on both sides of family.
Heck abortion has been around for a long time and viewed as murder just as long it was not until the early 1920s that Margaret Sanger the inspiration for Stalin, hitler and others said that "whites are the pure race and that the blacks, minorities religious and otherwise should be killed of". Sadly she has largely succeeded both in the past and now" leaving the US economy flat since 1973 (except for short spikes in the reagan and most recent bush administrations.
Many people are saying how you are diminishing tragedy and disrespecting those who have gone through many horrible things, but what you say here is true. Killing an unborn child needs to stop. We can't use murder as a birth control, I'm so sad that we need people to stand up and even fight for such a barbaric thing that remains in this world. Even so, I'm glad that you've posted these videos and said something for the defenseless, who cannot speak for themselves.
@AndieTrepanier It is not a birth control. People think that women just spend a few hours and get a dandy old abortion and are on their way. It's nothing like that. It is a last resort that is painful and very emotional. People get them because they need them.
Stop using the Holocaust and slavery to justify your personal opinions. It diminishes the tragedy of those who suffered during those times. You should be ashamed to invoke those catastrophes and compare them as if they are equally wrong.
@eatingperson The semen is 1/2 the chromosomes of a person, the egg is as well. The fertilized ovum is the entire genetic makeup of a human being. Life begins at conception. All scientists now agree. Fetus is Latin for "little one" it never did mean anything else, people just used it as such to justify the killing. Educate yourself.
The overall argument seems to be that since the concept of 'person' is vague, we should err on the side of compassion and treat unborn humans as persons. I take issue with this insofar as I think what ultimately determines what's good for a society is utility and practicality (i.e.what benefits the society overall, and how easily is such a course of action undertaken). And I think extending equal rights to an unborn human is neither practical nor to society's overall good.
See the really hardcore people will tell you life begins at fertilization. Fertilization, when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Which is usually a few moments after the man says 'Gee, honey, I was going to pull out but the phone rang and it startled me.'
I'm a 14 year old virgan (and happy) in the usa. every time i see your vidios i cry... i luv that you are very strong about it. i agree all the time with you! keep it up! <3
Yes, they do. Liberals are always so quick to point out that things that are "natural" are therefore right, so by saying a baby has no rights in the womb, you are in effect saying that pregnancy is not natural. If pregnancy is not natural, neither is homosexuality, & we should then arrest all gays. Right? Aside from that, let me ask you this, does a conjoined twin have the right to be stuck to his/her sibling? If not, is it then ok for one of them to kill the other? If so, which one?
@apologeticsman I would hope that most women would want to carry out their pregnancy, but in no way am I in the position to tell them how to decide. Homosexuality has ocurred in nature so I don't see what you're going for there... Maybe you should read your bible and stone all the gays to death :/
@dancer8164 Yeah, typical ignorance. Homosexuality occurs nowhere in nature, animals sometimes confuse the pheromones of other animals, and "hump" them by mistake. Humans are not primarily driven by scents or instinct, so that is a bogus idea. You are in a position to tell people not to murder a child, but you have to be brave enough to do so. The Bible never says it's ok to stone kids, that is one of many misconstrued ideas about it.
@27FreddyG The only joke is that there are still people who "think" abortion is acceptable in any circumstance, and the joke is on the kids who are butchered.
@Tigereyeblu when did I state your beliefs? The only thing I could find is that roman catholics say abortion is only acceptable in cases where the mothers life is at risk and that's true...
and the law that the killer would be charged with two murders could be backed up if we have it that only the mother can have the right to terminate the pregnancy
what about the fact that this should just be between the father,mother, and doctor? you all want to save life but you're not the one's going to have to take care of it and support it financially. Sometime's the most logical conclusion when dealing with an unwanted pregnancy would be abortion.
@JesicaYesicaRosa Says who? Doesn't the baby get a vote? What does the doctor's opinion matter unless the life of the mother and/or baby is at risk, which BTW is less than 1% of cases? You do know that pregnancy is not a disease but a normal life process, right? As for the support of the child, that is a baseless argument. Are they unwilling or unable to care for their children? Either way, there are plenty of people out there who would adopt/foster these children.
Do you know? At 18 days from conception, a baby's heart begins to beat. At 21 days the heart is pumping blood through a closed circulatory system. At 6 weeks, brainwaves can be detected. At 9 weeks, all the structures necessary for pain sensation are functioning. At 14 weeks, fingerprints have formed on an unborn child's hands. It's not a blob of tissue - it's a living, growing baby!
“Our group has shown that the human fetus from 18-20 weeks elaborates pituitary-adrenal, sympatho-adrenal, and circulatory stress responses to physical insults.” p.834, col.2, para.2, “This study confirms that invasive procedures produce stress responses….”
Fisk NM, Gitau R, Teixeira MD, Giannakoulopoulos, X, Cameron, AD, Glover VA. Effect of Direct Fetal Opioid Analgesia on Fetal Hormonal and Hemodynamic Stress Response to Intrauterine Needling. Anesthesiology. 95 (2001) 828-83
“The fetus starts to make movements in response to being touched from eight weeks, and more complex movements build up, as detected by real time ultrasound, over the next few weeks.”
Glover V. The fetus may feel pain from 20 weeks; The Fetal Pain Controversy.
“The connection between the spinal cord and the thalamus (an obligatory station through which nearly all sensory information must pass before reaching the cortex) starts to develop from 14 weeks onwards and is finished at 20 weeks.”
Van Scheltema PNA, Bakker S, Vandenbussche FPHA, Oepkes, D. Fetal Pain. Fetal and Maternal Medicine Review. 19:4 (2008) 311-32
“Cutaneous sensory receptors appear in the perioral area of the human fetus in the 7th week of gestation; they spread to the rest of the face, the palms of
the hands, and the soles of the feet by the 11th week, to the trunk and proximal parts of the arms and legs by the 15th week, and to all cutaneous and mucous surfaces by the 20th week."
Anand KJS, Hickey PR. Pain and its effects in the human neonate and fetus. New England Journal of Medicine. 317:21 (1987) 1321-132
"... it becomes possible to talk of foetal pain anytime between 10 and 17 weeks GA [gestational age] when nociceptors develop and mature, and there is evidence of behavioural responses to touch."
Derbyshire SW, Foetal pain? Best Practice & Research Clinical Obstetrics and
Isn't it interesting how only women have this so-called "right to choose?" Where is the outrage for male equality on this issue - lol? Oh, maybe it's because men who are "pro-choice" don't want to accept any responsibility for their actions. Hmmm...seems dangerously similar to that little story at the beginning of the Bible where Adam tried to pin all the blame for eating the forbidden fruit on Eve.
@dancer8164 Do you have any evidence to back up that claim? If you look at the videos of the March for Life, you will most certainly see a greater amount than only 33% women in them...
@dancer8164 how is abortion safe?!?!?!? There is also a high risk of damage to the woman or even kill her. And how do you propose abortion to be necessary? You could give the baby up for adoption, or you could always just do the easiest thing... KEEP YOUR LEGS CROSSED!
@superawesomechrisguy What do I even say to you... Less than 0.3% of abortions result in hospitilization. Abortion is safer than pregnancy. Give a baby up for adoption? It's not that easy. Do you realize how bad the adoption system is? Obviously you don't. It can take years to adopt a child, and by then they are school aged and no one wants to adopt a child that age. And about "keeping your legs crossed," you have no right to judge someone for having sex. What if they were married? Get educated.
@dancer8164 Do you know how many times PP has had ambulances sneak in and take women to the hospital? Of course not, they keep it hush hush. Get educated.
Same difference idiot. It is a person, "fetus" is simply Latin for "little one" therefore you can dehumanize the child all you want, it is still an infant and you are murdering it. Legal or not, medical procedure or not, it is still infanticide. Get over it.
@AngeleSmell This intelligent, articulate being is not yet a person? Do you think her life is not yet sacred? When do you think she will become a person?
"lol she's not a person yet. parents shouldn't do this to their kids. Her parents aren't letting her be her own person!!"
She is well spoken and argued so why do you think she is not able of doing that on her own but that she is a puppet of her parents? Do you speak from your own experience? Just because you may not have experienced children being able to think and argue for themselves don't think it's the norm, it's more the exception.
looks like she upset you. Perhaps you sometimes wish they had aborted you when there was still time but do not despair. There is still a chance to find some harmony between your ideal and your real ego and you may find out that there is somone who loves you.
@fourteatwo I am perfectly happy, obviously i wouldn't care if i had been aborted because i wouldn't even exist, so its physically impossible... i don't see you pro lifers going on about women not fertalising their eggs every month those eggs could have been children, women denying life to something that has the potential to have one! technically its the same thing
@fourteatwo I am assuming you are a 'man of god'. If you are implying that i don't wish for life, however you are wrong... just because someone doesn't believe in god, it doesn't make them empty , unfulfilled and hateful!
i guess i am being hypocritical here because i advocate for free speech and i believe everyone should be able to express their views.. but i do get annoyed sometimes when people have extreme views that are totally polar to mine, sometimes i really wonder!
@fourteatwo y 4 U so serioz OLD MAN! i don't mean harm to this girl i was just saying she is fucking annoying! also my comment is ironic because she is advocating against abortion. THIS IS WHY OLD PEOPLE AND CONSERVATIVES HATE FAMILY GUY, the take everything literally!
@siebenny I think you are annoying. This is my 13 year old son's page, so I will ask you nicely to watch your phraseology. It is obvious you find kids annoying, even the bright ones, but that does not excuse such language in front of them.
the unborn can't to what older babies and adults can do"? yeah like breathe, or filter their blood through fully developed kidneys, have any sense of consciousness etc...
what an evil and stupid thing to say.. she disagrees with you and so she asks questions, comes up with answers and makes an awesome rebuttal video, you disagree and wish her death!
@JusJuiceIt i didn't say I wised her death, in case you couldn't understand it is actually irony....can a person say something with out it being taken literally??... but you probably are just going to disagree anyway, why don't you go and read what the bible actually says about killing people... maybe you shouldn't worship a hypocritical book if your going to preach
"why dont you go and read what the bible actually says about killing people"
lol whos talkin about the Bible, i didnt mention the Bible.. but since you have, i will gladly tell you what the Bible commands of people when it comes to killing, lets start with the 10 commandments!
Exodus 20
6 “You shall not kill.
and in the new testament, through out all four Gospels Jesus commands us not to harm one another or commit murder.
"maybe you shouldn't worship a hypocritical book if your going to preach it"
its funny that you know nothing about the Book i follow, for if you did you wouldn't make such a stupid comment.. i just showed you that the Bible teaches and commands people not to kill.. and your calling it hypocritical... lol
please continue, your knowledge of the subject so far has just been mind-boggling!
@JusJuiceIt it is hypocritical. if it teaches not to kill then why did God ask Abraham to kill his son? Why did God send the angel of death on Egypt if killing a living thing is the most wrong thing you can do? Why did he have his son die on the cross?
its hypocritical in the eyes of someone who doesn't understand the questions your asking.. all the points you raised plus more have answers.. the story of abraham and the story of egypt is found in the old testament.. the Bible makes it very clear that through prophets and generations there are different covenants, were under the covenant of Jesus Christ, who came here and said, "you heard it was an eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth, but i am here to tell you to turn the
other cheek.".. and you also said that the worst thing someone can do is kill, actually no, please quote me where you find that in the Bible..?
to put it more clearly, in the story of abraham did God allow abraham to go on with the killing.. NO! .. and in the story of the egyptians and moses, why did God send the angel of death, because of what the egyptians were doing.. God had warned them over and over again, and they didnt listen, so who are we to question what God does
with his creation, He created us, does a creator of a painting not have the right to choose what he wants to do with it.. you then you asked why Jesus had to die on a cross.. even if i gave you the answer to this, why would you agree with it lol.. your not a Christian right, so why would you agree with the 10th step if you dont even agree with the 1st step.. thats like me giving you a math problem and i put the answer right under it, you dont know how i got there, so why would
you accept the answer iv given.. Jesus had to die because it was the only way our sins could be cleansed.. sins are so evil that it took God himself to come down here and in the form of body and flesh take our sins on his shoulders and pay the price.. he died for you, me and everyone else to live.. so in return we should live for him.
@JesicaYesicaRosa God was testing Abraham's faith; he didn't make him go through with the sacrifice (which was a foreshadowing of Jesus' death). God warned Pharaoh nine times before he sent the tenth plague upon Egypt AND God told everyone how to prevent dying during this plague, the Egyptians just didn't listen. When a covenant is broken, the offending party must die. But instead Jesus (God) took the place of all sinners and died for us. When we die is God's choice, not ours.
in your ridiculous comment you clearly made it your opinion that you wished she never existed!.. which is despicable
"can a person say something without it being taken literally"
yes but not when you cross the line, can you for one second put yourself in her shoes.. this 13 yr old will come on this channel one day and see your comment, how do you honestly think it'll make her feel, happy with butterflies in her stomach? words hurt!
@siebenny Why? Both were legal and both involved dehumanizing humans. What is the difference besides the fact that you pro aborts WANT it to be different so you don't have to face the truth???
@thoughtadventure i said a lump of stem cells, learn to read..... also we have cognitive ability and consciousness, unlike a lump of stem cells, and our cells are arranged into complex systems and organs
@siebenny So personhood is a matter of cognitive ability, consciousness, and complex systems and organs. So at what level of complexity does this human life become a person? When does this being become a person with rights? What is the defining characteristic? How do you measure it?
on your logic or pro life you shouldnt be killing animals for food they have so much emotional and intellectual consciousness, yet fetus's are simply a lump of cells with no consciousness at all
i don't think we need anymore unwanted children in this world, what with the UNICEF numbers for 2008 indicate that there are an estimated 132 million orphans in the world, besides over population is a massive problem!! i don't think women should be forced to have a child because there is a tiny zygote inside her uterus which is essentially just a cell with some DNA inside (which is also the definition of an ovum or sperm) strange how right-wing people never know anything about science
someone should really tell this child where babies come from... when she reaches puberty she can start feeling guilty every time she menstruates, because she has just killed a potential child!!
you are very good at 'debate' personally id like to see you argue the other side of theses issues. are you arguing just because or do you 'believe' your arguments are 100% correct?
probably when for the first time you come face to face with a concious decision of life and death, or become responsible for another life, and it is then when you will be tested.
anyhow, compliment on the line of argumentation. Indeed when do you become a person? you could say that at the moment of conceptrion you are given all the repertiore requirtred to lead an independent life. The dependence on maternal nutrient supply can't be the limit as if dependency on another person is seen as justification for non personhood it leads to the edeath of the frail, elderly and handicapped of intensive care patients.
Though, I believe that a fetus, is not yet human so you can totally abort it.
Go ahead, start trolling, it's not going to get you far. Because that's my opinion, everyone has their own opinions, so stop trying to put your beliefs and opinions on me.
Of course, I'm talking about scientific fact, and Christianity is the single most UNscientific religion on the planet. That's why you had to come up with your own bullshit "faith-based science".
The Bible was PROVEN to be false through independent scientific & historical investigations. That's a FACT. Your entire belief system is based on LIES.
"Of course, I'm talking about scientific fact," and u "come up with your own bullsit science based faith"
dream on u superclever pseudoscientist. If u were a scientist you would be able to argue logically avout what she said but it looks like u cannot, thus u try to attack the bible instead.
by the way christianity is based on logic, not lies. It's not neccesarily lived that way but that's a different argument
@fourteatwo "U" can't even speak in complete sentences, yet you think you comprehend what I'm saying. Hilarious.
I JUST DID argue scientifically against what she said. Do you even KNOW what "homeostasis" IS? Read a book, for God's sake..
And Christianity is ENTIRELY based on lies. Example: The virgin birth and crucifixion/resurrection stories were added to the gospels hundreds of years later by the Catholic Church. That's just a drop in the ocean of the lies you believe about that book..
"Do you even KNOW what "homeostasis" IS? Read a book, for God's sake."
As it is about selfregulating systems stability I take it you are a bit in need of reading. Nothing to do with personhood or I have to adress my bacteria as persons in future. Now then using an antibiotic would make anyone guilty of mass murder od persons, even the simple act of swallowing would be criminal.
"The virgin birth and crucifixion/resurrection stories were added to the gospels hundreds of years later by the Catholic Church"
guess u got catholic-phobia somehow. So when did the church became catholic to you? Nero killed christians already before the term catholic was coined and the already believed in an everlasting and a resurection "invented " centuries later.
@fourteatwo R U talkn 2 me? U cnt evn writ lik a grwnup, but u thnk u kno th secrets ov th univrs?
I refuse to debate science OR theology with someone who writes like a fucking middle school kid, because if THAT is how you express your thoughts, then your mind probably isn't strong enough to keep up with what I'm telling you anyway.
FYI, though- The FACT about those narratives being added at a later date is independently verifiable by anyone with Google and a brain. THINK- it's not hard.
@fourteatwo Like I said, I ALREADY MADE A SCIENTIFIC POINT, and a theological/historical one, both of which are rock solid. you may not read enough to realize that, but it's no less true. But hey- you either care about truth or you don't..
The problem with logically dissecting a fool's argument is that they are unlikely to even realize it has occurred.
"The problem with logically dissecting a fool's argument is that they are unlikely to even realize it has occurred."
looks like this is indeed your problem.
You declared homeostasis to be a requirement for personhood and think this is a scientfic statement
Just tell yourself all you say is the truth and you will believe your truth eventually. Sure it's okay, sound like you believe everyone is lying to you. Perhaps you should see a doctor about your paranoia.
@fourteatwo I don't recall YOU making a single scientific statement AT ALL.
You've been watching Kirk Cameron, haven't you? "If someone comes at you with logic, you have to go AROUND it. Make an emotional argument or come at them from another direction."
Besides, if you want to talk science, lets talk about the archaeological evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the model of Jesus you believe in is an utter fabrication- that's much more interesting than women's rights..
" I don't recall YOU making a single scientific statement AT ALL."
looks like you completely lost the plot. U claimed to talk science with homeostasis and parasites. now better go to bed and sleep off the effects of the drugs u must be on - and read about homeostasis. Perhaps you can get some thoughts together when u are sober.
"The problem with logically dissecting a fool's argument is that they are unlikely to even realize it has occurred."
looks like this is indeed your problem.
You declared homeostasis to be a requirement for personhood and think this is a scientfic statement
Just tell yourself all you say is the truth and you will believe your truth eventually. Sure it's okay, sound like you believe everyone is lying to you. Perhaps you should see a doctor about your paranoia.
What if I want to kill my next door neighbor? I would be a murderer. Just because he is annoying doesn't give me the right to kill does it? One might argue that "oh this baby is an inconveniance." Well, so is my next door neighbor. So how do you justify killing an innocent child? What if the baby came straight out of the womb and I dropped it on the floor and killed it? How do you feel now? You know it is wrong. Those who think abortion is great need GOD. PERIOD.
@diimees No, it's the baby's body, not the woman's body, and it's the baby's life, not the woman's, and therefore, not her choice. Besides, I'm sure there are much better choices available besides murdering the baby. Some that are less messy, less unethical, and less immoral.
@diimees No - pregnancy is a natural process. So you're analogy is fallacious. It's like saying we're forcing people to live with ten fingers, or forcing an African American to live with their black skin, or whatever. We are not forcing anything, we're just letting nature take its course.
No, it's not her body before the baby's. It is both. Also, the baby IS living, who cares who has "lived" first?
@amanda2324 Abortion is there, it's an option, it's the woman's choice if she wants to have the baby, have the baby and give it up, or abort the baby.
If it's not the woman's body before the baby then why do doctors try to save the mother if both lives are in danger, or even if it's just the mother's life that is in danger. Why do even the roman catholics, who are against abortion say that in cases where the mother would die abortion is aloud?
@diimees That is not a good justification for murder. Just because she doesn't want the baby she can kill it? Why can't we extend that to infants and toddlers of that same mother?
They try to save the mother when both lives are in danger because without the mother, the baby is not likely to survive anyway. Better to save one life than none. As for Catholics - they are not physicians, and their beliefs don't prove anything.
They are BOTH living and murder of either is immoral and unethical.
@amanda2324 for the catholic thing I just meant that they have super strong beliefs and even they agree on that point.
It's not a justification for murder. It depends how old the baby is but if it's about a month old then I wouldn't consider it a murder, or even a baby.
@amanda2324 ectopic pregnancies, preeclampsia. I've heard of women dying from those? So it is a fact that sometimes the mother does need to have an abortion to survive. It's my opinion that it's the woman's choice whether to have an abortion or not but it's a fact that you can die from child birth/ pregnancy.
@diimees I stand by what I said. If a large number of trained physicians do not believe abortion is a method that is needed, then there are likely other methods (and just by doing a little research myself, there are). The baby and the mother are both patients, and neither should be considered less than the other or "more worthy of sacrifice."
@amanda2324 everyone has their opinion, the physicians might not believe that abortion is a needed method but there are people who do and there are cases when it's needed.I stand by what I said too, I think that abortion is legal for a reason, because it's needed sometimes and no abortion case is same as another therefore you can't judge everyone and say that abortion is just wrong. What if something like that happened to you, you were raped or your health was at risk? would you still think that
@diimees Yes, I would still think that. And I've been sexually molested, plus I know a lot of wonderful people who were "rape babies" or people who came from pregnancies that the doctors said would take their mothers life, but it didn't. I'd rather take the chance of bringing a wonderful human being into the world, which is one of the greatest things mankind (or womankind) could ever accomplish.
@amanda2324 I don't agree with that, though it is wonderful, many people may be someone who their mothers considered aborting but didn't may have done great things. But I don't think that birth is the greatest thing you can accomplish. I do know people who blame themselves for their mothers death though.
@amanda2324 I don't agree with that, though it is wonderful, many people may be someone who their mothers considered aborting but didn't may have done great things. But I don't think that birth is the greatest thing you can accomplish. I do know people who blame themselves for their mothers death though.
@diimees "But I don't think that birth is the greatest thing you can accomplish."
Curiosity wants to know, then, in your opinion, what is the greatest accomplishment? I say giving birth to a baby is the greatest accomplishment, because you cannot produce a baby from any other process. Only (naturally) by sex between a man and a woman.
To that last sentence, most certainly. Everyone has blame problems, as I have had. But counseling and things like that can help a lot.
@amanda2324 There's no greatest thing. For someone who loves children having a child might be the greatest thing they've ever done. For a scientist making a discovery might be it. For others it might just be making a change in the world. If my mother, sister, or anyone else said they didn't want the child then I would support their decision to have an abortion, even if they would be aborting my sibling.
@amanda2324 I respect yours as well, odd as this may sound you are one of the only people who stated their views against abortion and did not say that the only reason they're against abortion is because god is.
@diimees First off, over 95% of abortion are not because of rape, incest, or medical emergencies. Therefore, I CAN in fact say that abortion, overall, is wrong. Especially if it's murder. I do not support murdering a person for the mere convenience of someone else. I also don't support -murdering- one individual to save another. Murder is murder, and murder is wrong, no matter the reasoning for it. And yes, I would still think the same thing, and have met many women who did just that.
@amanda2324 Well that's true. It's rare for women to get pregnant from rape. And it's not that common for pregnancies to be life threatening. But I still think it's the woman's choice.
@diimees "Terminating the fetus" IS murdering a child. Unless you can somehow prove that the fetus isn't a child, which be scientific means is impossible.
@amanda2324 I never said that I can prove that it's not a child. However I don't consider it a child yet. And it's legal, I don't think abortion would be legal if the majority of people thought it was murder.
@amanda2324 As a Catholic, I'd say that many of us ARE physicians. we ARE prolife. we DON"T believe that it's okay to kill a baby if the mother's life is at stake. Some people don't know what they're talking about. Our beliefs prove many things- like the human race is arrogant believing that they can kill anyone. So while we are on the same page with abortion. We're not on the same page when it comes to beliefs. What if YOUR beliefs don't prove anything? Now how do you feel about stating them?
@Tigereyeblu Oh, well then, my apologies! I didn't mean to give you (or anyone else) that impression at all. I probably should've worded it more appropriately (though it's hard enough to post things with the YT comment limit).
Yet didn't want to admit to the personhood of blacks. It is just sickening to think that one of the nation's (US) most important historical documents states boldly in the first line, "we hold theses truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal." only because one is not as big as the other doesn't mean that they aren't equal. The government leaders have such a mentality of, "we need to respect...", "this is they choice because...", "I believe in my heart ( ), but... Now th
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Since 1996, Ohio law has provided that there can be a separate criminal offense for killing or injuring a woman and killing or injuring her unborn child. This strongly reflects the simple biological fact that there are indeed two human lives in every pregnancy. Sadly, since Roe v. Wade, current law also allows for the killing of an unborn child as long as it is a "choice." Simply put: when a pregnant woman wants an abortion, killing her unborn baby is her protected right. But when a pregnant w
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Since 1996, Ohio law has provided that there can be a separate criminal offense for killing or injuring a woman and killing or injuring her unborn child. This strongly reflects the simple biological fact that there are indeed two human lives in every pregnancy. Sadly, since Roe v. Wade, current law also allows for the killing of an unborn child as long as it is a "choice." Simply put: when a pregnant woman wants an abortion, killing her unborn baby is her protected right. But when a pregnant w
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DiNatalli 5 days ago
boom
youvebeenblockaded 1 week ago
Actually that is false. A corporation is an artificial legal entity. Not a person.
DoubleR2591 1 week ago
Lia you are amazing! <3
CupcakesMummy 2 weeks ago
I have an idea. Lets let some fetuses into congress to discuss the matter. OHWAIT.
crzyprplmnky 2 weeks ago
@crzyprplmnky haha you're intelligent.
1001myplaylist 2 weeks ago
@1001myplaylist Haha. Thanks =D
crzyprplmnky 2 weeks ago
EVERYTHING HAS RIGHTS. MY TREE HAS THE RIGHT TO LIFE. THEY SAID I HAD TO CUT MY TREE DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS DISEASED. I SAID IT WAS IMMORAL. EVEN MY ROCKS IN MY YARD HAVE RIGHTS. THEY'RE PEOPLE TOO!!!
crzyprplmnky 2 weeks ago
Embryos are incapable of feeling & thinking. Fetus's can't feel anything till late in the 2nd trimester and cognition usually begins 2 years after birth. The holocaust comparison is ignorant, appalling & inexcusable. Grown people(along with their loved ones) were starved, tortured, beaten, dehumanized & gruesomely murdered; people with friends, family, memories, feelings, emotions, fears of death & painfully hopeless desires to live. Things a fetus will never have, the two can't be compared.
TheLegendOfRandy 3 weeks ago
@TheLegendOfRandy: Doesn't a fetus have a family though? It has the potential mother and the potential father, plus those potential relatives on both sides of family.
RockyBalboa211 2 weeks ago
Heck abortion has been around for a long time and viewed as murder just as long it was not until the early 1920s that Margaret Sanger the inspiration for Stalin, hitler and others said that "whites are the pure race and that the blacks, minorities religious and otherwise should be killed of". Sadly she has largely succeeded both in the past and now" leaving the US economy flat since 1973 (except for short spikes in the reagan and most recent bush administrations.
kingfuzzy2 1 month ago
@siebenny wtf is wring with you :(
queenofthesea143 1 month ago
@siebenny so not cool :(
queenofthesea143 1 month ago
@siebenny after 5 weeks its not a lump :(
queenofthesea143 1 month ago
Many people are saying how you are diminishing tragedy and disrespecting those who have gone through many horrible things, but what you say here is true. Killing an unborn child needs to stop. We can't use murder as a birth control, I'm so sad that we need people to stand up and even fight for such a barbaric thing that remains in this world. Even so, I'm glad that you've posted these videos and said something for the defenseless, who cannot speak for themselves.
AndieTrepanier 1 month ago
@AndieTrepanier It is not a birth control. People think that women just spend a few hours and get a dandy old abortion and are on their way. It's nothing like that. It is a last resort that is painful and very emotional. People get them because they need them.
edawg792 1 month ago
Stop using the Holocaust and slavery to justify your personal opinions. It diminishes the tragedy of those who suffered during those times. You should be ashamed to invoke those catastrophes and compare them as if they are equally wrong.
crazydavedc 1 month ago
@eatingperson The semen is 1/2 the chromosomes of a person, the egg is as well. The fertilized ovum is the entire genetic makeup of a human being. Life begins at conception. All scientists now agree. Fetus is Latin for "little one" it never did mean anything else, people just used it as such to justify the killing. Educate yourself.
superawesomechrisguy 1 month ago
The overall argument seems to be that since the concept of 'person' is vague, we should err on the side of compassion and treat unborn humans as persons. I take issue with this insofar as I think what ultimately determines what's good for a society is utility and practicality (i.e.what benefits the society overall, and how easily is such a course of action undertaken). And I think extending equal rights to an unborn human is neither practical nor to society's overall good.
templar19 2 months ago
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See the really hardcore people will tell you life begins at fertilization. Fertilization, when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Which is usually a few moments after the man says 'Gee, honey, I was going to pull out but the phone rang and it startled me.'
MikeTap4321 2 months ago
I'm a 14 year old virgan (and happy) in the usa. every time i see your vidios i cry... i luv that you are very strong about it. i agree all the time with you! keep it up! <3
MelodyMaxW 2 months ago
The personhood of an unborn is irrevelant. Even if they are persons, do people have the right to live in anothers uterus? No.
dancer8164 3 months ago
Yes, they do. Liberals are always so quick to point out that things that are "natural" are therefore right, so by saying a baby has no rights in the womb, you are in effect saying that pregnancy is not natural. If pregnancy is not natural, neither is homosexuality, & we should then arrest all gays. Right? Aside from that, let me ask you this, does a conjoined twin have the right to be stuck to his/her sibling? If not, is it then ok for one of them to kill the other? If so, which one?
apologeticsman 3 months ago
@apologeticsman I would hope that most women would want to carry out their pregnancy, but in no way am I in the position to tell them how to decide. Homosexuality has ocurred in nature so I don't see what you're going for there... Maybe you should read your bible and stone all the gays to death :/
dancer8164 3 months ago
@dancer8164 Yeah, typical ignorance. Homosexuality occurs nowhere in nature, animals sometimes confuse the pheromones of other animals, and "hump" them by mistake. Humans are not primarily driven by scents or instinct, so that is a bogus idea. You are in a position to tell people not to murder a child, but you have to be brave enough to do so. The Bible never says it's ok to stone kids, that is one of many misconstrued ideas about it.
apologeticsman 3 months ago
Godwin's law anyone?
cleodel88 3 months ago
Until about 5 minutes in this was fine. After that.. what a joke.
27FreddyG 3 months ago
@27FreddyG The only joke is that there are still people who "think" abortion is acceptable in any circumstance, and the joke is on the kids who are butchered.
apologeticsman 3 months ago
@apologeticsman Why is 'think' in quotations? What point are you trying to make?
27FreddyG 2 months ago
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@Tigereyeblu when did I state your beliefs? The only thing I could find is that roman catholics say abortion is only acceptable in cases where the mothers life is at risk and that's true...
diimees 3 months ago
and the law that the killer would be charged with two murders could be backed up if we have it that only the mother can have the right to terminate the pregnancy
JesicaYesicaRosa 4 months ago
what about the fact that this should just be between the father,mother, and doctor? you all want to save life but you're not the one's going to have to take care of it and support it financially. Sometime's the most logical conclusion when dealing with an unwanted pregnancy would be abortion.
JesicaYesicaRosa 4 months ago
@JesicaYesicaRosa Says who? Doesn't the baby get a vote? What does the doctor's opinion matter unless the life of the mother and/or baby is at risk, which BTW is less than 1% of cases? You do know that pregnancy is not a disease but a normal life process, right? As for the support of the child, that is a baseless argument. Are they unwilling or unable to care for their children? Either way, there are plenty of people out there who would adopt/foster these children.
Magdalene722 4 months ago
Do you know? At 18 days from conception, a baby's heart begins to beat. At 21 days the heart is pumping blood through a closed circulatory system. At 6 weeks, brainwaves can be detected. At 9 weeks, all the structures necessary for pain sensation are functioning. At 14 weeks, fingerprints have formed on an unborn child's hands. It's not a blob of tissue - it's a living, growing baby!
Magdalene722 4 months ago
“Our group has shown that the human fetus from 18-20 weeks elaborates pituitary-adrenal, sympatho-adrenal, and circulatory stress responses to physical insults.” p.834, col.2, para.2, “This study confirms that invasive procedures produce stress responses….”
Fisk NM, Gitau R, Teixeira MD, Giannakoulopoulos, X, Cameron, AD, Glover VA. Effect of Direct Fetal Opioid Analgesia on Fetal Hormonal and Hemodynamic Stress Response to Intrauterine Needling. Anesthesiology. 95 (2001) 828-83
Magdalene722 4 months ago
“The fetus starts to make movements in response to being touched from eight weeks, and more complex movements build up, as detected by real time ultrasound, over the next few weeks.”
Glover V. The fetus may feel pain from 20 weeks; The Fetal Pain Controversy.
Conscience. 25:3 (2004) 35-3
Magdalene722 4 months ago
“Movement of the fetus in response to external stimuli occurs as early as 8 weeks gestation…”
Gupta R, Kilby M, Cooper G. Fetal surgery and anaesthetic implications. Continuing Education in Anaesthesia, Critical Care & Pain. 8:2 (2008) 71-7
Magdalene722 4 months ago
“The connection between the spinal cord and the thalamus (an obligatory station through which nearly all sensory information must pass before reaching the cortex) starts to develop from 14 weeks onwards and is finished at 20 weeks.”
Van Scheltema PNA, Bakker S, Vandenbussche FPHA, Oepkes, D. Fetal Pain. Fetal and Maternal Medicine Review. 19:4 (2008) 311-32
Magdalene722 4 months ago
“Cutaneous sensory receptors appear in the perioral area of the human fetus in the 7th week of gestation; they spread to the rest of the face, the palms of
the hands, and the soles of the feet by the 11th week, to the trunk and proximal parts of the arms and legs by the 15th week, and to all cutaneous and mucous surfaces by the 20th week."
Anand KJS, Hickey PR. Pain and its effects in the human neonate and fetus. New England Journal of Medicine. 317:21 (1987) 1321-132
Magdalene722 4 months ago
"... it becomes possible to talk of foetal pain anytime between 10 and 17 weeks GA [gestational age] when nociceptors develop and mature, and there is evidence of behavioural responses to touch."
Derbyshire SW, Foetal pain? Best Practice & Research Clinical Obstetrics and
Gynaecology 24:5 (2010) 647-65
Magdalene722 4 months ago
Isn't it interesting how only women have this so-called "right to choose?" Where is the outrage for male equality on this issue - lol? Oh, maybe it's because men who are "pro-choice" don't want to accept any responsibility for their actions. Hmmm...seems dangerously similar to that little story at the beginning of the Bible where Adam tried to pin all the blame for eating the forbidden fruit on Eve.
Magdalene722 4 months ago
@Magdalene722 77% of pro life advocates are MEN. 100% of them will never be pregnant.
dancer8164 3 months ago
@dancer8164 Do you have any evidence to back up that claim? If you look at the videos of the March for Life, you will most certainly see a greater amount than only 33% women in them...
AdversusHaereses 3 months ago
@AdversusHaereses Excuse me, I meant to say Pro-Life Leaders.
dancer8164 3 months ago
@dancer8164 So, in order to murder a baby without a conscience, one must have a vagina?
apologeticsman 3 months ago
@apologeticsman No way! Infanticide is crazy. Abortion, however, is a safe and neccessarry medical procedure. Get over it.
dancer8164 3 months ago
@dancer8164 safe for whom? The baby?
apologeticsman 3 months ago 2
@dancer8164 how is abortion safe?!?!?!? There is also a high risk of damage to the woman or even kill her. And how do you propose abortion to be necessary? You could give the baby up for adoption, or you could always just do the easiest thing... KEEP YOUR LEGS CROSSED!
superawesomechrisguy 2 months ago
@superawesomechrisguy What do I even say to you... Less than 0.3% of abortions result in hospitilization. Abortion is safer than pregnancy. Give a baby up for adoption? It's not that easy. Do you realize how bad the adoption system is? Obviously you don't. It can take years to adopt a child, and by then they are school aged and no one wants to adopt a child that age. And about "keeping your legs crossed," you have no right to judge someone for having sex. What if they were married? Get educated.
dancer8164 2 months ago
@dancer8164 Do you know how many times PP has had ambulances sneak in and take women to the hospital? Of course not, they keep it hush hush. Get educated.
superawesomechrisguy 1 month ago
@dancer8164
Same difference idiot. It is a person, "fetus" is simply Latin for "little one" therefore you can dehumanize the child all you want, it is still an infant and you are murdering it. Legal or not, medical procedure or not, it is still infanticide. Get over it.
superawesomechrisguy 1 month ago
INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEING...meaning it can exist without being physically attached to the mother. Fetuses need their mother to survive.
edawg792 4 months ago
@edawg792 Where does the idea come from that being dependent makes you less of a person? It sounds arbitrary to me.
thoughtadventure 4 months ago
@edawg792
"Fetuses need their mother to survive."
it's wrong, but do you want to say that anything that needs a supply line to the maternal circulatory system in order to survive can be cut off?
fourteatwo 4 months ago
@fourteatwo Really? If you took a fetus 7 months prematurely out of the mother by C-Section, would it survive?
edawg792 4 months ago
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@edawg792
"If you took a fetus 7 months prematurely out of the mother by C-Section, would it survive?"
do not think so but that does not answer my question to you.
fourteatwo 4 months ago
@edawg792 So do infants, 2 year olds and my 7 year olds. Is it therefore okay to kill them???
superawesomechrisguy 1 month ago
@superawesomechrisguy They don't technically need you to survive.
edawg792 1 month ago
lol she's not a person yet. parents shouldn't do this to their kids. Her parents aren't letting her be her own person!!
AngeleSmell 4 months ago 2
@AngeleSmell This intelligent, articulate being is not yet a person? Do you think her life is not yet sacred? When do you think she will become a person?
thoughtadventure 4 months ago
@AngeleSmell
"lol she's not a person yet. parents shouldn't do this to their kids. Her parents aren't letting her be her own person!!"
She is well spoken and argued so why do you think she is not able of doing that on her own but that she is a puppet of her parents? Do you speak from your own experience? Just because you may not have experienced children being able to think and argue for themselves don't think it's the norm, it's more the exception.
fourteatwo 4 months ago
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fighting for our rights to choose?
siebenny 4 months ago
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siebenny 4 months ago
I kinda hope you get knocked up by a total asshole!
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny
Hi kid
looks like she upset you. Perhaps you sometimes wish they had aborted you when there was still time but do not despair. There is still a chance to find some harmony between your ideal and your real ego and you may find out that there is somone who loves you.
Good luck
fourteatwo 4 months ago
@fourteatwo I am perfectly happy, obviously i wouldn't care if i had been aborted because i wouldn't even exist, so its physically impossible... i don't see you pro lifers going on about women not fertalising their eggs every month those eggs could have been children, women denying life to something that has the potential to have one! technically its the same thing
siebenny 4 months ago
@fourteatwo I am assuming you are a 'man of god'. If you are implying that i don't wish for life, however you are wrong... just because someone doesn't believe in god, it doesn't make them empty , unfulfilled and hateful!
i guess i am being hypocritical here because i advocate for free speech and i believe everyone should be able to express their views.. but i do get annoyed sometimes when people have extreme views that are totally polar to mine, sometimes i really wonder!
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny " kinda wish she had been aborted :("
"just because someone doesn't believe in god, it doesn't make them empty , unfulfilled and hateful!"
so what is wrong with you then that u sound so empty and hateful?
What makes u think "u prolifers want every egg to be fertilised - what a load of rubbish.
So when does life start for you? with taking the first breath- or only when your ego is fully developed?
people should think about the consequences before they have intercourse.
fourteatwo 4 months ago
@fourteatwo y 4 U so serioz OLD MAN! i don't mean harm to this girl i was just saying she is fucking annoying! also my comment is ironic because she is advocating against abortion. THIS IS WHY OLD PEOPLE AND CONSERVATIVES HATE FAMILY GUY, the take everything literally!
SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE IS A CONSERVATIVE ASSHOLE!
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny
"SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE IS A CONSERVATIVE ASSHOLE!"
As I am neither I guess you talk about yourself in your silly language. Try cockney rhyming slang instead.
Sorry kid for taking you serious. Guess that normally nobody does but no wonder considering your fufu language.
fourteatwo 4 months ago
@fourteatwo rightio mate! have a nice life
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny I think you are annoying. This is my 13 year old son's page, so I will ask you nicely to watch your phraseology. It is obvious you find kids annoying, even the bright ones, but that does not excuse such language in front of them.
superawesomechrisguy 1 month ago
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@fourteatwo
nice misquote there:
"What makes u think "u prolifers want every egg to be fertilised - what a load of rubbish."
^wait i didn't even say that wtf?
but what i was trying to highlight is, how does a small undeveloped fetus differ from an unfertalised egg? morally, im just saying
siebenny 4 months ago
the unborn can't to what older babies and adults can do"? yeah like breathe, or filter their blood through fully developed kidneys, have any sense of consciousness etc...
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny My son can do things now that he could not do when he was 2. Is it okay to kill a 2 year old???
superawesomechrisguy 1 month ago
i kinda wish she had been aborted :(
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny Stop it that's mean. Even if you don't agree with her that's a really mean thing to say.
mochamegan123 4 months ago
@mochamegan123 stop what man? hatters gonna hate!
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny Lol :) Still... thats hurtful
mochamegan123 4 months ago
@siebenny
what an evil and stupid thing to say.. she disagrees with you and so she asks questions, comes up with answers and makes an awesome rebuttal video, you disagree and wish her death!
JusJuiceIt 4 months ago
@JusJuiceIt i didn't say I wised her death, in case you couldn't understand it is actually irony....can a person say something with out it being taken literally??... but you probably are just going to disagree anyway, why don't you go and read what the bible actually says about killing people... maybe you shouldn't worship a hypocritical book if your going to preach
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny
"why dont you go and read what the bible actually says about killing people"
lol whos talkin about the Bible, i didnt mention the Bible.. but since you have, i will gladly tell you what the Bible commands of people when it comes to killing, lets start with the 10 commandments!
Exodus 20
6 “You shall not kill.
and in the new testament, through out all four Gospels Jesus commands us not to harm one another or commit murder.
JusJuiceIt 4 months ago
@siebenny
"maybe you shouldn't worship a hypocritical book if your going to preach it"
its funny that you know nothing about the Book i follow, for if you did you wouldn't make such a stupid comment.. i just showed you that the Bible teaches and commands people not to kill.. and your calling it hypocritical... lol
please continue, your knowledge of the subject so far has just been mind-boggling!
JusJuiceIt 4 months ago
@JusJuiceIt it is hypocritical. if it teaches not to kill then why did God ask Abraham to kill his son? Why did God send the angel of death on Egypt if killing a living thing is the most wrong thing you can do? Why did he have his son die on the cross?
JesicaYesicaRosa 4 months ago
@JesicaYesicaRosa
its hypocritical in the eyes of someone who doesn't understand the questions your asking.. all the points you raised plus more have answers.. the story of abraham and the story of egypt is found in the old testament.. the Bible makes it very clear that through prophets and generations there are different covenants, were under the covenant of Jesus Christ, who came here and said, "you heard it was an eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth, but i am here to tell you to turn the
JusJuiceIt 4 months ago
@JesicaYesicaRosa
other cheek.".. and you also said that the worst thing someone can do is kill, actually no, please quote me where you find that in the Bible..?
to put it more clearly, in the story of abraham did God allow abraham to go on with the killing.. NO! .. and in the story of the egyptians and moses, why did God send the angel of death, because of what the egyptians were doing.. God had warned them over and over again, and they didnt listen, so who are we to question what God does
JusJuiceIt 4 months ago
@JesicaYesicaRosa
with his creation, He created us, does a creator of a painting not have the right to choose what he wants to do with it.. you then you asked why Jesus had to die on a cross.. even if i gave you the answer to this, why would you agree with it lol.. your not a Christian right, so why would you agree with the 10th step if you dont even agree with the 1st step.. thats like me giving you a math problem and i put the answer right under it, you dont know how i got there, so why would
JusJuiceIt 4 months ago
@JesicaYesicaRosa
you accept the answer iv given.. Jesus had to die because it was the only way our sins could be cleansed.. sins are so evil that it took God himself to come down here and in the form of body and flesh take our sins on his shoulders and pay the price.. he died for you, me and everyone else to live.. so in return we should live for him.
JusJuiceIt 4 months ago
@JesicaYesicaRosa God was testing Abraham's faith; he didn't make him go through with the sacrifice (which was a foreshadowing of Jesus' death). God warned Pharaoh nine times before he sent the tenth plague upon Egypt AND God told everyone how to prevent dying during this plague, the Egyptians just didn't listen. When a covenant is broken, the offending party must die. But instead Jesus (God) took the place of all sinners and died for us. When we die is God's choice, not ours.
Magdalene722 4 months ago
@JusJuiceIt
"i didnt say i wised her death"
in your ridiculous comment you clearly made it your opinion that you wished she never existed!.. which is despicable
"can a person say something without it being taken literally"
yes but not when you cross the line, can you for one second put yourself in her shoes.. this 13 yr old will come on this channel one day and see your comment, how do you honestly think it'll make her feel, happy with butterflies in her stomach? words hurt!
JusJuiceIt 4 months ago
what you mean fetus's can vote or own property? this is an outrage!!!
siebenny 4 months ago 2
comparing abortion to gas chambers and slavery is so wrong!!
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny She Gave reasons for her comparison. You are not giving reasons why she is wrong.
thoughtadventure 4 months ago
@siebenny Why? Both were legal and both involved dehumanizing humans. What is the difference besides the fact that you pro aborts WANT it to be different so you don't have to face the truth???
superawesomechrisguy 1 month ago
why does this have so many likes?
siebenny 4 months ago
is a lump stem cells a person?
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny we are all lumps of cells.
thoughtadventure 4 months ago
@thoughtadventure i said a lump of stem cells, learn to read..... also we have cognitive ability and consciousness, unlike a lump of stem cells, and our cells are arranged into complex systems and organs
siebenny 4 months ago
@siebenny So personhood is a matter of cognitive ability, consciousness, and complex systems and organs. So at what level of complexity does this human life become a person? When does this being become a person with rights? What is the defining characteristic? How do you measure it?
thoughtadventure 4 months ago
on your logic or pro life you shouldnt be killing animals for food they have so much emotional and intellectual consciousness, yet fetus's are simply a lump of cells with no consciousness at all
siebenny 4 months ago 2
@siebenny No, that is YOUR logic. Many pro aborts are very pro animal rights and pro environment. They are fine with killing babies, but not animals.
superawesomechrisguy 1 month ago
i don't think we need anymore unwanted children in this world, what with the UNICEF numbers for 2008 indicate that there are an estimated 132 million orphans in the world, besides over population is a massive problem!! i don't think women should be forced to have a child because there is a tiny zygote inside her uterus which is essentially just a cell with some DNA inside (which is also the definition of an ovum or sperm) strange how right-wing people never know anything about science
siebenny 4 months ago
anyone else want to punch this girl in the face? or is it just me?
siebenny 4 months ago
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someone should really tell this child where babies come from... when she reaches puberty she can start feeling guilty every time she menstruates, because she has just killed a potential child!!
siebenny 4 months ago
also please watch freakonomics and comment on the legalised abortion having a reduction in crime rates?
OpenAgoraphobic 4 months ago
you are very good at 'debate' personally id like to see you argue the other side of theses issues. are you arguing just because or do you 'believe' your arguments are 100% correct?
OpenAgoraphobic 4 months ago
now when do you become a human?
probably when for the first time you come face to face with a concious decision of life and death, or become responsible for another life, and it is then when you will be tested.
fourteatwo 4 months ago
anyhow, compliment on the line of argumentation. Indeed when do you become a person? you could say that at the moment of conceptrion you are given all the repertiore requirtred to lead an independent life. The dependence on maternal nutrient supply can't be the limit as if dependency on another person is seen as justification for non personhood it leads to the edeath of the frail, elderly and handicapped of intensive care patients.
fourteatwo 4 months ago
It's all about the mothers' choice.
Though, I believe that a fetus, is not yet human so you can totally abort it.
Go ahead, start trolling, it's not going to get you far. Because that's my opinion, everyone has their own opinions, so stop trying to put your beliefs and opinions on me.
lenachristoffersen 5 months ago
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"Though, I believe that a fetus, is not yet human so you can totally abort it."
So when do you think you became human and why are you afraid of others opinions?
If you state your opinion you must as well have an argument for it or you are the troll u are afraid off
fourteatwo 4 months ago
It's a simple rule:
Is it HOMEOSTATIC?
If not, then it's NOT a "person"!
Of course, I'm talking about scientific fact, and Christianity is the single most UNscientific religion on the planet. That's why you had to come up with your own bullshit "faith-based science".
The Bible was PROVEN to be false through independent scientific & historical investigations. That's a FACT. Your entire belief system is based on LIES.
Just deal with it already.
planetery 5 months ago
@planetery Ah, someone who thinks the same as me, congradgulations.
lenachristoffersen 5 months ago
@planetery
"Of course, I'm talking about scientific fact," and u "come up with your own bullsit science based faith"
dream on u superclever pseudoscientist. If u were a scientist you would be able to argue logically avout what she said but it looks like u cannot, thus u try to attack the bible instead.
by the way christianity is based on logic, not lies. It's not neccesarily lived that way but that's a different argument
fourteatwo 5 months ago
@fourteatwo "U" can't even speak in complete sentences, yet you think you comprehend what I'm saying. Hilarious.
I JUST DID argue scientifically against what she said. Do you even KNOW what "homeostasis" IS? Read a book, for God's sake..
And Christianity is ENTIRELY based on lies. Example: The virgin birth and crucifixion/resurrection stories were added to the gospels hundreds of years later by the Catholic Church. That's just a drop in the ocean of the lies you believe about that book..
planetery 5 months ago
@planetery
"Do you even KNOW what "homeostasis" IS? Read a book, for God's sake."
As it is about selfregulating systems stability I take it you are a bit in need of reading. Nothing to do with personhood or I have to adress my bacteria as persons in future. Now then using an antibiotic would make anyone guilty of mass murder od persons, even the simple act of swallowing would be criminal.
fourteatwo 5 months ago
@fourteatwo You are retarded. Homeostasis is one of the details which differentiates between actual organisms and parasites.
Christians and science do not mix. :P
planetery 5 months ago
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@planetery
"Christians and science do not mix. :P"
definitively with what u believe to be science.
Do you want to argue that a foetus is equivalent to a parasite, thus not a person? If so, when do you think you lost your parasite status?
fourteatwo 4 months ago
@planetery
"The virgin birth and crucifixion/resurrection stories were added to the gospels hundreds of years later by the Catholic Church"
guess u got catholic-phobia somehow. So when did the church became catholic to you? Nero killed christians already before the term catholic was coined and the already believed in an everlasting and a resurection "invented " centuries later.
but then I forgot u belief u r a scientist
fourteatwo 5 months ago
@fourteatwo R U talkn 2 me? U cnt evn writ lik a grwnup, but u thnk u kno th secrets ov th univrs?
I refuse to debate science OR theology with someone who writes like a fucking middle school kid, because if THAT is how you express your thoughts, then your mind probably isn't strong enough to keep up with what I'm telling you anyway.
FYI, though- The FACT about those narratives being added at a later date is independently verifiable by anyone with Google and a brain. THINK- it's not hard.
planetery 5 months ago
@planetery
"THINK- it's not hard."
looks like u r so open minded that your brain fell out. Good luck with your google brain.
Probably better u refuse debating science and theology if u r an outsider.
fourteatwo 4 months ago
@fourteatwo Like I said, I ALREADY MADE A SCIENTIFIC POINT, and a theological/historical one, both of which are rock solid. you may not read enough to realize that, but it's no less true. But hey- you either care about truth or you don't..
The problem with logically dissecting a fool's argument is that they are unlikely to even realize it has occurred.
Goodbye.
planetery 4 months ago
@planetery
"The problem with logically dissecting a fool's argument is that they are unlikely to even realize it has occurred."
looks like this is indeed your problem.
You declared homeostasis to be a requirement for personhood and think this is a scientfic statement
Just tell yourself all you say is the truth and you will believe your truth eventually. Sure it's okay, sound like you believe everyone is lying to you. Perhaps you should see a doctor about your paranoia.
fourteatwo 4 months ago
@fourteatwo I don't recall YOU making a single scientific statement AT ALL.
You've been watching Kirk Cameron, haven't you? "If someone comes at you with logic, you have to go AROUND it. Make an emotional argument or come at them from another direction."
Besides, if you want to talk science, lets talk about the archaeological evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the model of Jesus you believe in is an utter fabrication- that's much more interesting than women's rights..
planetery 4 months ago
@planetery
" I don't recall YOU making a single scientific statement AT ALL."
looks like you completely lost the plot. U claimed to talk science with homeostasis and parasites. now better go to bed and sleep off the effects of the drugs u must be on - and read about homeostasis. Perhaps you can get some thoughts together when u are sober.
fourteatwo 4 months ago
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@planetery
"The problem with logically dissecting a fool's argument is that they are unlikely to even realize it has occurred."
looks like this is indeed your problem.
You declared homeostasis to be a requirement for personhood and think this is a scientfic statement
Just tell yourself all you say is the truth and you will believe your truth eventually. Sure it's okay, sound like you believe everyone is lying to you. Perhaps you should see a doctor about your paranoia.
fourteatwo 4 months ago
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diimees 5 months ago
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diimees 5 months ago
Every baby deserves the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness!
DeanClark68 5 months ago
What if I want to kill my next door neighbor? I would be a murderer. Just because he is annoying doesn't give me the right to kill does it? One might argue that "oh this baby is an inconveniance." Well, so is my next door neighbor. So how do you justify killing an innocent child? What if the baby came straight out of the womb and I dropped it on the floor and killed it? How do you feel now? You know it is wrong. Those who think abortion is great need GOD. PERIOD.
77mrd 6 months ago
It might be a person but it doesn't change the fact that it's the woman's body, the woman's life and therefore her choice.
diimees 6 months ago
@diimees No, it's the baby's body, not the woman's body, and it's the baby's life, not the woman's, and therefore, not her choice. Besides, I'm sure there are much better choices available besides murdering the baby. Some that are less messy, less unethical, and less immoral.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 illegalizing abortion and forcing a woman to give birth would be immoral.
And it is the mother's body before the babys. The mother has also lived and the babay hasn't.
Abortion shouldn't be a snap decision but there are many reasons to have an abortion.
diimees 5 months ago
@diimees No - pregnancy is a natural process. So you're analogy is fallacious. It's like saying we're forcing people to live with ten fingers, or forcing an African American to live with their black skin, or whatever. We are not forcing anything, we're just letting nature take its course.
No, it's not her body before the baby's. It is both. Also, the baby IS living, who cares who has "lived" first?
So? Most of them do not justify murder.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 Abortion is there, it's an option, it's the woman's choice if she wants to have the baby, have the baby and give it up, or abort the baby.
If it's not the woman's body before the baby then why do doctors try to save the mother if both lives are in danger, or even if it's just the mother's life that is in danger. Why do even the roman catholics, who are against abortion say that in cases where the mother would die abortion is aloud?
The baby's living but the mother has lived.
diimees 5 months ago
@diimees That is not a good justification for murder. Just because she doesn't want the baby she can kill it? Why can't we extend that to infants and toddlers of that same mother?
They try to save the mother when both lives are in danger because without the mother, the baby is not likely to survive anyway. Better to save one life than none. As for Catholics - they are not physicians, and their beliefs don't prove anything.
They are BOTH living and murder of either is immoral and unethical.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 for the catholic thing I just meant that they have super strong beliefs and even they agree on that point.
It's not a justification for murder. It depends how old the baby is but if it's about a month old then I wouldn't consider it a murder, or even a baby.
diimees 5 months ago
@diimees I don't agree on that point, along with over 481 physicians - abortion is never necessary to save the mother's life.
So you're just stating an opinion, rather than a fact?
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 ectopic pregnancies, preeclampsia. I've heard of women dying from those? So it is a fact that sometimes the mother does need to have an abortion to survive. It's my opinion that it's the woman's choice whether to have an abortion or not but it's a fact that you can die from child birth/ pregnancy.
diimees 5 months ago
@diimees I stand by what I said. If a large number of trained physicians do not believe abortion is a method that is needed, then there are likely other methods (and just by doing a little research myself, there are). The baby and the mother are both patients, and neither should be considered less than the other or "more worthy of sacrifice."
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 everyone has their opinion, the physicians might not believe that abortion is a needed method but there are people who do and there are cases when it's needed.I stand by what I said too, I think that abortion is legal for a reason, because it's needed sometimes and no abortion case is same as another therefore you can't judge everyone and say that abortion is just wrong. What if something like that happened to you, you were raped or your health was at risk? would you still think that
diimees 5 months ago 4
@diimees Yes, I would still think that. And I've been sexually molested, plus I know a lot of wonderful people who were "rape babies" or people who came from pregnancies that the doctors said would take their mothers life, but it didn't. I'd rather take the chance of bringing a wonderful human being into the world, which is one of the greatest things mankind (or womankind) could ever accomplish.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 I don't agree with that, though it is wonderful, many people may be someone who their mothers considered aborting but didn't may have done great things. But I don't think that birth is the greatest thing you can accomplish. I do know people who blame themselves for their mothers death though.
diimees 5 months ago
@amanda2324 I don't agree with that, though it is wonderful, many people may be someone who their mothers considered aborting but didn't may have done great things. But I don't think that birth is the greatest thing you can accomplish. I do know people who blame themselves for their mothers death though.
diimees 5 months ago
@diimees "But I don't think that birth is the greatest thing you can accomplish."
Curiosity wants to know, then, in your opinion, what is the greatest accomplishment? I say giving birth to a baby is the greatest accomplishment, because you cannot produce a baby from any other process. Only (naturally) by sex between a man and a woman.
To that last sentence, most certainly. Everyone has blame problems, as I have had. But counseling and things like that can help a lot.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 There's no greatest thing. For someone who loves children having a child might be the greatest thing they've ever done. For a scientist making a discovery might be it. For others it might just be making a change in the world. If my mother, sister, or anyone else said they didn't want the child then I would support their decision to have an abortion, even if they would be aborting my sibling.
diimees 5 months ago
@diimees I find that extremely sad, and their decision is one I would never support, but I respect your views nonetheless.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 I respect yours as well, odd as this may sound you are one of the only people who stated their views against abortion and did not say that the only reason they're against abortion is because god is.
diimees 5 months ago
@diimees I am? Well... I suppose I shall take that as a compliment. So, thanks, and have a nice day! =3
amanda2324 5 months ago
@diimees First off, over 95% of abortion are not because of rape, incest, or medical emergencies. Therefore, I CAN in fact say that abortion, overall, is wrong. Especially if it's murder. I do not support murdering a person for the mere convenience of someone else. I also don't support -murdering- one individual to save another. Murder is murder, and murder is wrong, no matter the reasoning for it. And yes, I would still think the same thing, and have met many women who did just that.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 Well that's true. It's rare for women to get pregnant from rape. And it's not that common for pregnancies to be life threatening. But I still think it's the woman's choice.
diimees 5 months ago
@diimees So you think it should be perfectly legal and okay for the woman to make the choice of murdering her own child?
amanda2324 5 months ago
@diimees So you think it should be perfectly legal and okay for the woman to make the choice of murdering her own child?
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 To murder her child no, to terminate the foetus yes.
diimees 5 months ago
@diimees "Terminating the fetus" IS murdering a child. Unless you can somehow prove that the fetus isn't a child, which be scientific means is impossible.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 I never said that I can prove that it's not a child. However I don't consider it a child yet. And it's legal, I don't think abortion would be legal if the majority of people thought it was murder.
diimees 5 months ago
@amanda2324 As a Catholic, I'd say that many of us ARE physicians. we ARE prolife. we DON"T believe that it's okay to kill a baby if the mother's life is at stake. Some people don't know what they're talking about. Our beliefs prove many things- like the human race is arrogant believing that they can kill anyone. So while we are on the same page with abortion. We're not on the same page when it comes to beliefs. What if YOUR beliefs don't prove anything? Now how do you feel about stating them?
Tigereyeblu 5 months ago
@Tigereyeblu "What if YOUR beliefs don't prove anything? Now how do you feel about stating them?"
Mere beliefs don't prove anything - I don't see what you're ranting about. Not all Catholics are physicians, just as not all physicians are Catholic.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 Frankly, I don't either...haha. I guess I thought that you were saying that our beliefs don't matter.
Tigereyeblu 5 months ago
@Tigereyeblu Oh, well then, my apologies! I didn't mean to give you (or anyone else) that impression at all. I probably should've worded it more appropriately (though it's hard enough to post things with the YT comment limit).
amanda2324 5 months ago