Methane Gas: Animal Agriculture is the Problem!

[robzoneutube]

methane is not a persistent gas like carbon dioxide, so a direct comparison using only the infra red absorbance is invalid. There is no proof that there are more ruminants now than 10 000 years ago. Nearly all the bison(ruminants) in America were killed. The globe did not cool as a result. In any case why is Kyotot taxing milk producers and not oil producers? Just check the budget of their respective lobbyists!

[tranquilocito]

@robzoneutube The globe did cool as a result - see the paper of Felisa A. Smith of the University of New Mexico assisted by Scott M. Elliott of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Lyons. And to your other point: Why should a direct comparison of those gases be invalid, even if methane is not as persistent as carbon dioxide?

[robzoneutube]

@tranquilocito A direct comparison is not valid for 2 reasons. 1 The methane levels have remained the same since the 90's , but the presumption is that methane is building up as carbon dioxide is & 2 If there is a natural reduction of methane by breakdown of this extremely unstable gas, why tax people to try and do what is already being done?

[tranquilocito]

@robzoneutube Here another text from secondary literature: The extinction of megafauna closely coincides with an abrupt drop in atmospheric methane concentration at the onset of the Younger Dryas. Scientists estimate that prior to the extinction event, large-bodied herbivores in the Americas released about 9.6 Tg of methane to the atmosphere annually.

[robzoneutube]

@tranquilocito When you say abrupt drop - how much was that? And in any case, people where not threatened either before or after the event. The nonsense focus on methane deflects from the real culprit , which is carbon dioxide. So people are giving themselves false comfort by "solving" the methane problem, while carbon dioxide has less focus and is a much more difficult problem to tackle. Let's face it , if carbon deposits were not being burnt for energy, we would never have noticed methane.

[robzoneutube]

@tranquilocito Are you seriously suggesting that the bison living in America were an ecological problem? Or a global warming problem?- That would make the people who shot them out eco warriors of the first order! Don't you see the weakness of your argument?

[tranquilocito]

@robzoneutube further....The loss of these species could be responsible for 12.5 to 100% of the overall methane decline. Atmospheric methane concentrations during the past 15,000 years are derived from the Greenland ice core samples.

[tranquilocito]

@robzoneutube Kyoto is taxing milk producers? Where? In your country? Never heard of that until now...

[robzoneutube]

@tranquilocito NewZealands "commitment" to the forestry fraternity in New Zealand is $1.9 billion per year = $441 for every person in the country. Taken by direct and indirect taxation by the government and paid to the forestry industry. Methane is adjudged to be 46.6% of that total. So a family of 4 is paying $800 per year for methane. See the NZ government website for the percentages. The tax amount they never commit to writing but it is often mentioned in TV interviews

[TheUnNerved]

Explain the natural emissions of Methane that the ocean produces in mass quantities... 

[webermsu1]

Yes I know about methane from cows very clearly, I work on a 2500 acre farm with 400+ head of cattle. Obviously humans don't emit such amounts, thats not the point. Of course there is hormones in milk but there aren't any germs that are harmful, food grade milk is pasturized? the bacteria that are naturally in milk are great for healthy digestion and there is no evidence of the casein in milk causing cancer.

[webermsu1]

Thats like saying get rid of all the humans on the planet? We produce methane too? Obviously you don't know anything about dairy farming because it isn't cruel at all. And if milk isn't healthy then why do human mothers produce it for their young? It is one of the most nutrient rich liquids. You're sounding more and more like a memeber of PETA every time you post somthing. Let it go you can't stop animal agriculture.

[tranquilocito]

You misunderstand. You do not know about methane from cows? Humans do not emit such amounts. And mother milk is good for babies, sure. But cows milk is for cows and nowadays has all those hormones, antibiotics and germs. And moreover it has casein, which is known to be responsible for promoting cancer in humans.

[webermsu1]

For one the waste from animal agriculture acts as a fertilizer to grow these precious crops you're talking about, without manure farms would have to use synthetic fertilizer which is more harmful. We're not just talking about meat production, what about dairy cattle? Every genration has a crisis to talk about, I guess some blow it out of proportion more than others.

[tranquilocito]

The best is organic animal-free agriculture. Dairy cattle farming is nowadays so cruel that we should abandon this practice. And milk is not healthy. Moreover animal agriculture contributes more than 50% to the greenhouse gas effect we are seeing right now.

[webermsu1]

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in my life. Animal agriculture is the most important source of food in the world. Global warming is a natural thing in the history of the earth. I don't have a problem with a vegitarian diet but seriously get a clue, we already have global food crisis, without animals the crisis would cause a global starvation.

[tranquilocito]

You have to feed an animal at least 16 times the amount of kalories you finally get in form of meat from it. You feed it with grains etc. that could have been directly eaten by humans. What a waste! 80% of Amazonian rainforest is cleared for livestock production. 90% of the world's soy harvest is used to feed animals. The waste from animal agriculture poisons rivers, lakes and the oceans. Animal agriculture is in fact one of the main causes for hunger in this world. That's the truth.

[pasionporelcaballo]

Hahahahahahaa! Very good!