on FISA and 4th amendment warrant requirements

[DavidForthoffer]

The Fourth Amendment does not "plainly" require a warrant for wiretaps on U.S. Citizens. It allows "reasonable" searches and seizures without a warrant. But all the U.S. Supreme Court cases on the subject consider searches or seizures "reasonable" only when there is no time to get a warrant (so that vehicles may be searched with only probable cause), or the intrusion is minor enough to be outweighed by important public needs (such as immigration checkpoints).

[nolocontendre2007]

@DavidForthoffer If your name is David Forthoffer, you are kinda' clueless, right?

You are the guy who couldn't understand why filiming federal facilities, and refusing to ID yourself, might be considered threatening -- by the Federal Reserve, right?

Perhaps you are a law student. If so -- keep studying. This advice comes from a Constitutional scholar -- do keep studying. Cheers!

[DavidForthoffer]

@nolocontendre2007: Nope, you must have me mistaken with someone else.

I'm the guy who does not believe that photographing the Federal Reserve Bank is illegal, and does not believe that these photographers had any legal obligation to identify themselves.

[nolocontendre2007]

Saw your latest -- re the Fed Reserve footage -- they were taking video, not a tourist photo opp. Context is everything. [Clearly you have problems keeping the facts straight.]

Now -- the topic here is whether FISA was a good idea. Warrants are required in all domestic wiretap cases, save exigent circumstances. Full stop.

Cheers, just the same.

So please try to stay on that topic.

[nolocontendre2007]

@DavidForthoffer Saw your latest -- re the Fed Reserve footage -- they were taking video, not a tourist photo opp. Context is everything. [Clearly you have problems keeping the facts straight.]

Now -- the topic here is whether FISA was a good idea. Warrants are required in all domestic wiretap cases, save exigent circumstances. Full stop.

Cheers, just the same.

So please try to stay on that topic.

[DavidForthoffer]

@nolocontendre2007: I think that FISA is clearly a bad idea, and very likely unconstitutional.

I was simply challenging your statement that the fourth amendment plainly requires it. The Fourth Amendment as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court may well require it, but it is certainly not "plain".

[danwillis451]

Hey Bloodnguts; The FISA court is a product of King William of Clinton. Do a little research and you will find both the FISA rubber stamp warrant court for the three letter places, you know FBI, NSA, CIA, etc and the Carnivore domestic eavesdropping program where both his brain children. It been going on long before it came out, Bush just kept the programs going and then expanded them after 9-11. Wake up, Dem or Repub, the government is not you're friend. Big brother is watching, big time.

[BloodNGutts]

They aren't legal. The patriot act is only a large piece of toilet paper to wipe your ass after taking a huge dump. It hasn't been tried in the supreme Court. And the laws that have been tried in it have fallen .

[AlexJonesRules]

If you do not defend the Constitution now then be prepared to be rounded up soon as a political dissident during a midnight raid on your home and be sent away to a FEMA Concentration camp. They have already been built. Just Google:

FEMA CAMPS

[VoiceofAmericans2008]

Thank you for this video.

The Constitution is the Employee Handbook for elected officials. If they are not following the rules of their employee handbook they should be fired!

It is that simple!

[nolocontendre2007]

agreed!

quite cogently -- and

succintly -- put.

cheers!

[BloodNGutts]

Wo Wo Wo. The Constitution is our civil rights and rule of law for this Nation. Though only holding on by a thread at the moment, It's the only thing that stands between us, King George W Bush and the Dick Chaney.

[nolocontendre2007]

i do understand the spirit in which you make your comment, alogia, but i also must point out that the constitution cannot be "re-written" without the consent of two-thirds of the states, among other procedural hurdles. practically, so long as we stand up, and speak out, bush cannot rewrite the law. now, he may VIOLATE it for a while, but it is up to us to hold him -- and cheney -- re- sponsible for these violations. NOW! p e a c e

[BloodNGutts]

I'd LOVE to Violate Bush for about an hour. He would beg to go to Guantanamo Bay for about ten years in order for his ass to recover from the Friction. He'll need that oil From Iraq to stop the breakdown of his cylinder walls shall we say!