Flooding in Dog Training - Darren part 2 (k9-1)

[msminnamouse]

Yeah, the flooding worked so well that this dog really started loving the affection you were giving him. I can tell by his tucked tail, crouching to appear small and face licking in appeasement. You don't care whether this dog enjoys being with humans or not, you want a robot that is going to allow petting because you force it to. What shelter would give you people a dog? This dog would be better off euthanized than with people like you.

[jimlupi]

@msminnamouse

This dog would be better off euthanized than with people like you>>  wow, just wow. for all the emphasis people like you put on treating dogs humanely, you fail to see you have become part of the problem.

[bananian]

Even though, you were supposedly flooding it, you still gave it a lot of affection, which is awesome.

[LittleMissAlleyCat]

It said he had no history of being touched my man....what about a woman? X)

[buclweez]

That Was A year Ago ... What Happened To The Other Parts ??? Did He Bite Any 1 ??

[sabumitz]

Re: COTTON- Cotton was NOT cured. He went on to have his teeth lasered down in more desperate attempts to 'fix' him using dominance based training techniques. The description of 'stalking' behavior by CM is silly. Paw raises are commonly used by dogs to indicate uncertainty, fear, appeasement.

[MissyMustang5]

I know this video was uploaded a year ago, but I still see Darren up on your website. Is he still looking for a home? How's he doing? I'd love to see a updated video of this beautiful boy. You guys do amazing work.

[1ELCHONENSE]

!!THE BEST TRAINERS MANN .. . THE BEST DOG TRAINER!!!!!

[LadySunner]

I understand completely what factors you had to take into consideration here. He/you needed ONE person. You obviously also know that any blowback from a flood CAN be dealt with. Most folks can have NO idea what he was like off camera. I do. I've been rehab'ing severe DA/HA/HFA's for yrs. To my way of thinking, in Darren's case specifically, it was crunch time & you had no other choice. Way to go guys, great work. Keep it up! Give some lovins to Darren from me. He's a VERY lucky boy. :)

[claudiahoyle]

i understand how hard it is to work with shelter dogs and the urgency in it, but flooding has side effects maybe you are not considering, since you can use desensitizing and counterconditioning I do not understand why take the risk. Also if you use desensitization below the treshold the dog won't be all week stressing about the handling session, he will be looking forward, although he does not do any of the two since dogs live in the moment .

[k91dogtraining]

@claudiahoyle The problem was there really was no "below the threshold". We had to walk him, clean the kennel, etc.Just being near us was stressful. Also, counterconditioning and desensitizing was tried before with him for YEARS at the shelter, not only did it not work people still got bit. Normally I would agree with you, but in this case it ended up being the safer thing to do and worked. What you see in the video was the worse thing Darren had to deal with. He is doing GREAT today.

[claudiahoyle]

@k91dogtraining OK I understand. I think that since you show a great deal of understanding of what flooding is and you have tried desensitizing before without success than all I can do is congratulate you for the great work. You do understand that my concern is that this video may be missunderstood. Now I realize you have great knowledge of dogs and science of learning which allows you to make the right choices, but other people resort to flooding without understanding what they r doing...

[muddinchevy87]

fantastic job!!! god bless you for saving his life. My rott gets flooded with love and affection and i couldnt ask for a better dog. feel free to go watch his videos. yall get 5 stars easy as usual.

[EditorialResponse]

You saved that dog. Congratulations. You are great trainers, great human beings.

[NinaThePitbull]

i have to be honest with you guys, when i watched the firt 30 minutes I had said " No use putting energy into a dog like this, he needs to be put down. I am not one to try and save/ rehab human aggressive dogs. I thought it was a waste of time, and whatever you would show , i doubt it would be enough improvement. So I quickly fast forwarded to see. Amazing work. I need to change my perspective on the ability for HA dogs to be rehabilitated. I will now watch the video in full as well as others.

[ThePsittacine]

Can you define what the "it" is that Earl is withholding? I feel that flooding can be used, but rarely and only by pros and only in desparate, time sensitive situations. How do you guys feel about Cesear and what he did (or did not do) for Cotton? Will you also tell your viewers of the side-effects of the flooding "quick fix"?

[k91dogtraining]

@ThePsittacine "It" is affection. We follow specific rules about when it is best to offer it during training. There definitely is side-effects of all "quick fixes" especially making a problem worse if someone misjudges the situation. I have not seen the "Cotton" episode, but I can imagine that not everything was done in the right order for the dog. I write a little about my opinion on Cesar in my asociated blog post found in the video discription.

[sharika238]

@k91dogtraining actually it seems tome that you are frustatitng the snapping habit

the dog understands that his snaps have no efects

pn the other side he accustomed to be close to human with no danger



[packleader38]

i used the flooding technique on my staffordshire bull terrier who was 4 years old when i rescued him from his lets say his loving but neglectful owners. his dog aggression was high so we simply overwhelmed him with as many dogs as possible his social skills are so much better its took nearly a year to get him there but there are still small dominance issuses with the larger breeds but we gonna get it sorted...... love the video keep on troopering

[ThePsittacine]

So did you only flood for only the starting of the training, and then you transferred to +R? After watching the video I scanned through it and noticed that the dog very much preferred the human that used the +R. The other guy that used the flooding always had to tug on the dog's leash to get him to interact with him.

[k91dogtraining]

@ThePsittacine There was only that one recorded session of flooding so at least one of us could snap a leash on him safely. The guy "Earl" that the dog seems to prefer in the video hasnt been able to get his hands all over Darren yet, but as you can see the patience of withholding it from him is paying off since it seems to make the dog want it more now from him since he now knows how good it can be and Earl has just begun to offer it. Also, Earl is more handsome. Maybe I'm just jealous...

[plimbuff]

@k91dogtraining, do you feel the "Dog Whisperer" is overusing the flooding technique?

thank you