Where is there even ONE white homeland?????Why is it okay for only well built well facilitated white countries to be invaded?????Why cant they build their own nation?Why give charity when it goes to militias,the muslim brotherhood illicited funds for terrorism,and by giving aid to africa we enable them to have the extra money to buy guns and fund their extravangent ugly excessive lifestyles..DOESNT THE WHITE RACE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER WE ARE PROPAGANIZED ABOUT HAVE JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO SURVIVE?
I bet half the young blokes rioting and kicking it off with the Army over there these days know nothing of the history or why they are even kicking off other than the fact its the inherent thing to do. I cant ever imagine things being "normal" over there for the simple fact there are too many Mp's and suits with their own agendas on all sides!
It will take a long time for United Ireland to become an acceptable option. Many middle ground, non hard liners may accept it even now, but older (40s plus) people still remember some of Martin McGuinness' comments in the 80s such as ' Get rid of the Brits first, then we'll take care of the Protestants'. Things like that will make it difficult to move into a UI without it looking like a climb down. Future generations will be unaware of things like that and Mcguinness won't be around. Maybe then.
What would have happened if it was Irish, throwing things at the brits.It would have been the defence forces killing piolple. IRELAND FOR THE IRISH.George you are very selective when you want.
This coming from a man who marched side by side with Gerry Adams and McGuinness
I won't lie, Galloway talks a good game sometimes (usually without the other person getting a word in) but he is a walking contradiction.This man SUPPORTED the IRA, he doesn't deny this.He supported the death of thousands yet when i questioned him in a calm rational non-confrontational manner on his facebook page he banned me.
Oh good old George has the soundbites but he DETESTS hearing others opinions
@mossy121c I come to that conclusion when they issue death threats to people (even Catholics) because they don't follow what the IRA want them to do. They are not defending their own country, they are a bunch of glorified murderers.
@xxksaoXX Before the IRA's campaign catholics where not even allowed to vote in the north of Ireland, reguarly attacked and killed by loyalists/brits.......not to mention the countless other horrific crimes against humanity the british committed not only in Ireland but many a land worldwide........sometimes violence has to be met with violence. I would how ever like to see all republicans trying to achieve a united Ireland through political means (now that we can actually vote).
@mossy121c That was only from the 20s to 50s, and you cant blame the British for that, they were not responsible for it. But since then, all Catholics and Protestants have been allowed to vote in the elections (excluding the closing of the Stormont Parliament).
I am mainly referring to the Provisional IRA which I and my family have felt the brunt of.
@xxksaoXX That was only from the 20's to the 50's........oh sorry, thats not bad at all then....you are not in touch with reality. I will not and agree with every thing the IRA has done, but it was a necessary struggle. Britain has been murdering, raping, TERRORIZING Ireland and our People years ago FACT!
@xxksaoXX I dont agree with the rira's campaign...when the IRA was active it was necessary, now we can achieve a united peaceful Ireland where both religions can live through political activity. As for the Christian comment....... Britain although it may claim to be a Christian country, but its actions, current and historical is conflicting with this claim.
@mossy121c Paisley's bunch will never accept reunification even if the vote is done democratically. I personally would, however I believe there are more benefits for the North if we remained in the UK.
@mossy121c Exactly, i agree with you. I hate it and dont understand it when the brits say about irish genocide "yeah but that was years ago..." what does that matter? that was our ancestors. That was innocent ppl. The holocaust was years ago but ppl still remember it and still call it shameful, they dont say "yeah that was years ago" it still happpened! it was still a crime! Britain should amend for their crimes but reuniting ireland under Irish rule.
@tysonthepooper Unfortunately the 'winner' gets to dictate the media and history books.......brainwashing the general population who read/hear over and over what they want and eventually believing it without questioning it. The only difference between Hitler and Ceaser was that the latter was 'victorious' and thus proclaimed a 'great' ruler! Imagine living in a land conquered by the romans.........they where barbarian in their invasions!
@tysonthepooper make amends by uniting ireland , what makes you think that would make ireland a better place overnight , youve a large unionist population in the north , who are against the idea ,and if forced into a united ireland could become unstable again, who would want that millstone around their necks, if i was southern irish i wouldnt touch NI with a bargepole , the problem will be totally on ireland, who are struggling to cope as a country without the norths baggage as well
and when you say britain, it was the same then not the british people but government and big business,and landowners, the ordinary british citizen in the 1800s were little more than serfs and factory fodder , any crime or neglect sould be aimed at government of the day , not the ordinary british or english, that what gets me, fucking english ,the republicans say, hold on a bit, we were shat upon ourselves and still are
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Spot on mate I am tired of being blamed for crimes I didn't commit. The problem is it's lose lose for both sides whatever happens. It is amazing how many Irish people are ignorant of the situation in N.Ireland. The problem is that they have got such a chip on their shoulder it will never be rid
@eaststandred I'd say very few Irish people are ignorant of the situation in Northern Ireland as many of them were alive and are still alive. As well as the fact of existing it is studied in schools in depth unlike in England and we were not subject to propaganda from the BBC.
@tysonthepooper You can only judge history by the standards/values of the day. Whilst the Potato famine was not genocide akin to the holocaust we are still talking about the mid 19th century. This was a time when all major european powers had or wanted empire, where poverty was widespread in Britain itself, and when in the United States slavery was still practiced. You cannot judge through modern standards. You can however judge actions of the IRA by modern standards. They are truly shameful.
@xxksaoXX In all fairness one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. We were the aggressors so it shouldnt come as a shock to be confronted and given a bloody nose in our tracks. sure the IRA carried out bombings but they were never shy of kicking it off rifle to rifle! If a foreign force started laying the law down in england & taking over you would feel justified by taking them on because you have no loyalty to them or their agenda! "would that make you a terrorist in your own eyes?"
@stevo7281 No i wouldnt consider them terrorists because they would be fighting to free their country (I'm not english btw).
But the difference is the British Army is not a foreign force, it is the army of the country and that is the end of the matter. It defends us from murderers like the IRA.
@xxksaoXX all the ira wanted was for the british to leave, that was reasonable they should have left 700 years ago.. vilence is bad innocent lives were lost and that is terrible but i blame the british for making it all necessarry
@MrBillcale Why should the british leave? The majority of us Northern Irish want them in Ulster. The British have the democratic mandate to be here and the IRA are bunch of undemocratic murderering thugs. The British created Ireland, it was not one country before they came.
@MrBillcale democratic? oh right you elected your queen thats right and you precense in ireland was so democratic and catholics have always had civil rights in northern ireland havent they,? i'm american my fathers family is dutch protestant and my mums is what the hell are alasatians anyways germans or french? its in france so i'll say i'm french to save time.. anyways they were catholics..no one in my family even likes the catholic church my granfather was raised catholic and
he used to compare the church to the mafia he hated the roman catholic church..i dont know one person that has any sympathy with britian or you protestants your bigots your like the ku klux klan you invade irleand killed the celts banned their religon occupied their nation.. and thats democratic? piss off up the ra.. next time i'm in ireland 32 i'm sticking 20$ in the box..for the love of dear old ireland.. i dont exactly know why but you british really rub my the wrong way, your glory days
Martin McGuinness is going to be the British First Minister for Northern Ireland by 5 May 2011. 30 years exactly to the day that Bobby Sands was elected. Martin doing the Brits work lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a few of IRA/Sinn Fein's war crimes: Claudy Massacre, La Mon Massacre, Warrenpoint Massacre, Tullyvallen Massacre, Bloody Friday,Shankill Massacre,Enniskillen Massacre,Kingsmill Massacre,Teeban Massacre,Darkley Massacre,Newry Massacre
There are only 2 scenarios open to the IRA/Sinn Fein. Either they were terrorists trying to overturn liberal democracy by killing civilians - or they were an army. If they were an army then 99% of their actions were war crimes and their leaders of the era (Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams) should be tried and executed.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish HAAAHAAAA HAVNT GOT THE BALLS TO REPLY TO ME EH ? :-) MIGHT OF THE ENGLISH EH NOT VERY MIGHTY JUST ANOTHER RACIST BNP ARSEHOLE :-) NOT IMPRESSED
@Che870 what you on about prick , i answered by phone text , it doesnt allow you to directly answer a post, balls , you havent got any , and fancy taking the name of a scummy argentine mercenary ,then again you republicans always back losers ,and thats a fact
@Che870 losers , to the normans ,to the english ,to the scottish, backing losers ie ,germany in ww1,and nazi germany ww2, gadaffi ,loser ,plo losers ETA losers, cuba losers ,and your mate CHE losers , the republic within eurozone , losers lol fact fact and more facts, never were ,never will be ,going knowhere fast lol , next rant please lol
@remixnick says your channel is not available?? your right ,were not mighty anymore ,but f the tag winds up repulican irish ,that,ll do me, no were not mighty, but look back on our industrial revolution, british inventions ,and everything else to numerous to mention,we were ,
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I don't have a channel, not that it matters. "repulican" Irish...oh no. British inventions, yea British...as in not just England. It appears you are the one who is the...dick...head.
What terrors this then mate .what period of time are you on about.you reap what you sow in this world . The last hundred years .bar ww1,more irish have been killed ,murdered and executed by fellow irish than british,many irish worked for the establishment. Mps,police.army.government,ira assasinations and wageing war on the establishment.your going to get reaction against the rebels.anarchists and their supporters,anti agreement and pro agreement republicans were just as brutal towards each other
@jacksbacksucker Wow, guess I touched a nerve eh? I want to know, specifically, what "lies" I'm guilty of. You keep going back in time and justifying atrocities by saying that basically everyone was doing those things in that era; and to some extent they were but the penal laws and the other "laws" enacted by either the Brits or the Brit supported loyals made things done elsewhere pale by comparison. You keep resorting to negativity and name calling yet you call me ignorant?
But that doesn't concern you half as much. Maybe you should examine the worse injustices on your own doorstep that you are a part of before worrying so much about us. We can sort ourselves out thanks without American interference.
@rebtris "Oh take your blinders off."..and there goes the pot calling the kettle black. lol Sorry rebtris for my blood pressures sake I'm blocking you, youre impossible, and not worth trying to have a rational discussion. I could argue with you till the cows come home and still get nowhere. Bye
@jacksbacksucker I'm not trying to be "impossible". I just think the evidence shows that "The Troubles" were caused by Brit gov and/or Brit supported loyalist actions. I have learned alot about Irish/English history from this exchange but unlike you I don't think I know it all. I do remain convinced that the Irish people were grievously wronged in both the recent and ancient past and are justified in feeling animosity towards Brit gov. and loyalist agitators. Not seen anything to change that.Bye
The army thought they would be in and out .had no argument against anyside.at first.and walked into 400years of hatred that was a culture shock to most soldiers .like it or not the protestants .the majority in NI have been there for 400years.longer twice as long as america as a country has existed .and to compare the treatment of native americans to the irish is no where near as bad .as for land stolen .how about texas off the mexicans.california.half a continent.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish treatment nowhere near as bad huh? I don't discount the injustices by my own gov, but the surviving Natives were given reservations to live on AND help from the gov by way of food etc. The Irish were forced off their land, rented a small plot from the landlords and were expected to give all but a pittance of their crops to the landlord. Also they had to pay tithes to a church they did not support and taxes to a gov they didn't want. How is that not worse?
@rebtris "The Irish were forced off their land, rented a small plot from the landlords and were expected to give all but a pittance of their crops to the landlord." Again so wrong. English peasant did the same. Nothing to do with and Irish English thing. The Catholics were not banned from owning land by the penal laws, they were banned from passing it on. When James II breifly put Catholics back in the ascendancy, they deprived protestanhts entirely! thats why the protestants had no mercy.
@rebtris Also this was all at a local level *i.e before IRELAND WAS IN uNION 1802), the English, and King William, pleaded with the local protestants not to impose harsh reactionary laws on catholics, but they did so...NOT the English in London. Now how is any of that worse than tricking an entire nation out of their land, slaughtering those who don't want it, shrinking them onto caged reservations, and totally depriving them of any sovereingty over so much as an inch of their own land?
@rebtris haha you helped the native americans with food ,whys that , because the land they were given was useless,,after you stole the whole continent, how many wounded knees did the US army commit , they were chased across the continent, even the peaceful tribes like the nez pearce,sitting bull was asassinated while under arrest,, you call the little big horn a massacre , yet the US army attacked the souix , while you call the massacre of wounded knee a battle
The army went into ni .to stop the anarchy and street battles .to stop both communities commiting ethnic cleansing .and to stop the breakdown of law and order,the nationalists welcomed them .you cannot have on any street civilians killing civilians .gunbattles ,men with illegal assault weapons and no go areas.it was when the ruc .who nationals hated.backed by the army .searched republican houses for weapons that overnight nationalist opinion swung against the army .and soldiers then targetted
Ah an american ,you do want to do your homework yourself mate ,youd speak quite differently if it was US forces being sent home in body bags ,your talking of the troubles ,lets get facts right in 30 years and more the british army killed less than 300 in total .republican groups 2000,the majority civilians,the ira killed more catholics than the army did,they bombed their own city centres killing protestant and catholic alike.targeted the whole infrastructure.business,s.make Ni ungovernable
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Facts for you: The UVF has killed more people than any other loyalist paramilitary group. According to the University of Ulster's Sutton database, the UVF and RHC was responsible for 481 killings during "the Troubles", between 1969 and 2001. 83% of the casualties were civilians. Maybe you better do some homework mate.
@rebtris not intrested in what the loyalists do , yes their as guilty as the IRA , you blame the army , yet theve killled less than 300 , in over 30 years , republicans 2000 , how many did the americans kill in a day in mai lai ,in a day more than we did in over 30 odd years ,, now you think the americans would held back and took it the way we did .. youd be talking different if it was your troops under cowardly attack every day , and having to take it
@rebtris just like the americans did to middle class white americans ,in kent state , how about waco, how many men women and kids die ,and for what, , if your talking about the rioting crowd on bloody sunday, change the record, the march was banned yet still they marched,a section of crowd rioted, and at least one photographer caught a republican armed , when i say cowardly , how about lynching ,torturing and stabbing 2 unarmed soldiers ,before executing them and leaving them naked
@rebtris cowardly attacks like planting a bomb ,in a transit van, soldiers who had just finished a charity fun run, while they were raising money for local charitys in NI a very brave ira man planted a bomb in the van, resulting in the death of several soldiers , another teenage soldier , lost , held by republican women , until a gunman came and murdered him, cowardly like blowing a bandstand up ,killing a band , like shooting a recruitment officer,while locking up his office in coventry
cowardly like killing 2 ausralian tourists in holland thinking they were soldiers , cowardly like killing a soldier in germany ,and his baby alongside him, like planting a bomb in an army coach in england, killing family members as well, cowardly like abducting a catholic mother of 10, torturing her ,then killing her, cowardly for killing a 15 year old catholic boy , accusing him of being a tout ,while he had a mental age of 10, theIRA kneecap young catholics as young as 14
if you think these IRA are brave freedom fighters , look no futher than robert mccartney , a catholic man, who with another catholic man crossed the Provos , both were attacked by a large group of provos, who got kitchen knives from the pub kitchen, they chased them outside , beat them ,cut robert mccartneys throat , jumped on his head till his eye came out, and left him to die, they went back into the pub ,threatened everyone ,took the cctv , sinn fein themselves protected them,scum mate
@TheMightOfTheEnglish The Dublin and Monaghan bombings of 17 May 1974 killed 33 civilians and wounded almost 300 – the highest number of casualties in any single day during "the Troubles". The UVF claimed responsibility in 1993. No warnings were given before the bombs exploded. Three exploded in Dublin during rush hour (killing 26 people and an unborn child) and one exploded in Monaghan ninety minutes later (killing 7 people). The ages of the dead ranged from five months to 80 years. UVF scum.
@rebtris again im not sticking up for loyalist paramiltaries , they just say the same, their bombing us ,let them know how we feel. do you know the IRA have killed more catholics than the army has , if your on about justice , the original argument in the 60s , and the civil rights ,movement was about civil rights, the rights to better housing, the unfairness of the voting system, and better jobs oppurtunities, thats all it was about , no one was calling for a united ireland,apart from
apart from the die hard republicans just waiting for an oppurtunity to stir old troubles , early 60s NI was the most law abiding part of the UK, the civil rights also wanted the b specials to be disbanded , all the problems since partition was because of the unionist policies of the government of NI ,our fault was to think the people of NI would be adult enough to run their own affairs fairly .the UK government were guilty of not ruling direct and providing an equal society
jump a few years forward ,and the break down of law and order , the RUC couldnt cope , the army went in to prevent futher disorder ,and killings and ethnic clensing, the majority of the rank and file of the british army had no clue of the history of ireland ,they didnt see or choose sides , they reacted to what was happening, they had gun battles with loyalists to at first, most catholics welcomed the army ,and they did prevent much greater bloodshed,
you cant have groups of civilians of any creed ,shooting other people with assault rifles on the streets of the united kingdom, its not america, those guns were hidden in nationalist areas, these areas had stockpiles of explosives that were blowing up their own city centres, trying to disrupt the whole fabric of NI society , it was the provos that called for a united ireland ,and shifted the blame on everying onto the british ,and targetted all members of the security forces
it was inflamed by the RUC backed by army ,searching republican areas,houses were overturned and things broken, the army lost its support of the nationalists ,internment also, the loyalists wernt trying to bring down the state, wernt bombing their city centres ,on the whole wernt targetting the police or army, if tthe political parties would of been left to hammer civil rights out ,without terrorism ,it would of been sorted ,the british have never responded well to terrorism,
the more the IRA bombed maimed and killed,the more troops were sent ,all the calls for troops out by republicans was bullshit ,if we had pulled out,their would of been a bloodbath ,so to say troops out ,was a joke because they knew we would never leave to let that happen, you look at the provos as being just , theve more in common to the mafia than anything, they had no mandate from the irish people, they did not reconise the government of the south,were outlawed by the southern government
all the provos represented were themselves and their supporters ,and misguided supporters from america, ,most southerners didnt want to know, especially a united ireland, why would they want to have all that trouble to pay for and on their doorstep, with irish soldiers going home in bodybags , they couldnt afford it ,didnt want it, they may have sympathised with fellow catholics ,but the vast majoriy ,were happy to let the british take all the shite
bloody friday 22 IRA bombs in belfast city centre, people were running from one into the path of other bombs , have you ever seen the pictures of that outrage, people being brushed up off the floor,sweeped into bags 9 dead and 130 injured ,Claudy bombings 9 dead ,5 of them catholics,Darkley bomb , 3 elderly protestant church elders,Harrods bomb 6 dead 90 injured,Kingsmill ,10 protestant workers shot dead byIRA,La mon bomb,12 dead 30 injured, omagh bomb,29 dead 300 injured,
the list is endless , and did nothing except cause far greater differences and more bloodshed , i thought you yanks may have learned a bit after the oklahoma city bombing,the IRA bombed inniskillen on rememberance sunday girl guides , scouts ,school children ,vetrans of ww2 ,and hundreds of civilians in attendence , no warning, it was a miricle that hundreds didnt die, 12 did and 60 injured, imagine that happening ,to a rememberence service to say pearl harbour,these are people you support
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Never responded well to terrorism.. yeah it's a whole other story when you're on the receiving end of the violence. OK for Brit gov to inter without trial, to let hunger strikers die rather than give them political prisoner status, ok for them to support and favor the Ulster loyalists but when the shite hits the fan and it comes back to them, they start whining about it.
@rebtris the irish have always been their own worst enemies , the republicans , the men of violence , they irish were offered and i think it was passed ,for them to have their own free state ,in 1914 , before ww1 started . ireland would of got a free state and later a republic without the violence , australia did ,canada did,new zealand did , without the violence . what did they do ,, in the middle of the worst war weve ever been involved with, the same year as the somme, they
they destroyed the centre of dublin , murder police. irish by the way, etc the people of dublin were outraged ,and threw chamber pots of piss at the rebels ,how dare they when their menfolk were fighting in europe, after ww1 ,they went right into a campaign of violence , do you think we were going to run away ,like the americans in vietnam ,it was far to complicated than that , if we had just left , you had tens of thousands of angry ulstermen ready and very able ,it would of been a bloodbath
irish opinion only changed when the 16 were executed , it was in the middle of ww1 , britain could still lose, republicans were openly conspiring with the germans ,and were being supplied by them, ,they were citizens of the united kingdom and ireland , and they attacked the state ,aided by the enemy ,and they were rightly executed, in anyones country , the same thing would of happend, we executed 23 in all, micheal collins,s new government executed 77 anti agreement IRA
there were more deaths , more executions ,and as many ,if not worse atrocities , in the irish civil war,than the war of independence , .prisoners were shot without trial on both sides , a group of anti agreement IRA were tied to a landmine and blown up , the catholic church ,threatend all anti agrement IRA with excommunication ,and 77 were executed. far more than under the british, your mates in the IRA collabrated with nazi germany in ww2 ,and threatend to kill american soldiers based in NI
The ira, were setting of bombs early in ww2 in england, a bike ,filled with explosive blew up in coventry killing several, the IRA never reconised the government of the south ,sent men to be trained by the german secret services ,aka the gestapo , apart of the republicans de valera even signed a condolence book on hitlers death ,although he internerned irish republicans , lights left on in the south guided german bombers to bomb belfast ,killing 1000 in a single night ,
when i said we dont respond well to terrorism, im saying if we left with our tails between our legs ,from any empire country , at the first sign of trouble, our standing in the likes of the UN would of been zero, you cant run, and let the first rag tag group of individuals take over a country , if we had run from malaya , you would of had a chinese backed chinese dominated government, were the malays would of been 2nd class citizens, if we had run from kenya,the blood thirsty mau maus would
the mau maus would of run kenya , the country would of became a bloodbath on the lines of rwanda.. we defeated the terrorists in cyprus to , the violence never works , we got out of aden ,and look at the state of aden now ,and yemen,, the provos in the north were never going to win , by violence , and if we got out of NI in the mid 70s as the provos wanted , it would of became lawless ,a blood bath , it is catch 22 to us , damned if we stay damned if we go ,
@rebtris as for the land of the free dictating to us,, gauntanamo bay , men interned for 10 years ,not a few months . dont make me laugh about bobby sands , his status as a MP was a farce ,a joke ,and barley beat the unionist opponent, he was no MP ,he was a terrorist leader, if a black panther leader had been voted in as a member of parliament in theUS ,after his group, has killed policemen,prison warders soldiers, blew up new york etxc, do you think he,d get political status
@rebtris what did the US do with timothy mcvey , after the okelahoma city bomb , did they give him poltical status, no they executed him, he believed in what he did ,as much as sands did , the state killed those people in waco, this was revenge, he beleived in what he was doing, if these black seperatists in the US ,did what the provos did , would they get political status, they get maximum security prison in far worse conditions thatn irish Terrorists were held in
the british never let sands die , he wad free to eat anytime , his family could of had him cared for anytime , his mother could of saved her son , as others did do, you couldnt force feed him, you can only do that to mental prisoners , here were people dictating to us how they sould be locked up after committing mass murder , every prisoner in the uk has to follow rules and regulations , they commited crimes as the rest, they sould never had any status except criminals ,loyalists to
if a politician had been jailed , as in seamus mallon or any non violent MP or politician, or say , martin luther king had been jailed , for his beliefs , then you could say they were poltical prisoners , if you get a civilian , being jailed for criminal offences , ie murder, kidnap ,shootings kneecappings , threats, tar and feathering ,bank robbery and so on, criminal offences , caught in the act ,they have no political status ,
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Actually the civil rights march of Bloody Sunday was a protest against mass internment without trial; at least that was the main focus with the things you mentioned being issues as well. Hopefully the peace process will work and nobody will have to experience the agony of war again. Let's hope so.
as well as that the provos threatend mcartneys sisters , who had to leave the place they were born and brought up , warned off by the provos and sinn fein , fucking heros to you yanks hey, thats what the ira are like ,bank robbers kidnappers ,you name it their hands are dirty,,and irish americans hands are to ,clueless scum,
@TheMightOfTheEnglish No if it were my country's troops, I would be protesting them being where they don't belong. I don't think it's right for USA to be in Iraq, or Israel to have taken land from Palestine. I'm not defending US actions in Vietnam or any of the other places they've been unjust. I'm on the side of justice, not loyalty to country. Wrong is wrong, whoever is doing it.
I dont talk about loyalist bombings or killings as they can speak for themselves and dont represent us over here, i can see their logic though.they say the same as republicans .its a war,its fighting for freedom.and what your heared off them is they reacted to IRA outrages.the provication was from the provos.loyalists said .when provos stop .they will,if they target crown or loyalists.then they will kill republicans and their supporters.loyalist bombs were a fraction of what the ira did
@TheMightOfTheEnglish "It's a war, it's fighting for freedom" and yet 10 Irish prisoners STARVED to death in a hunger strike because Brit refused to give them political prisoner status.
Respond to this video... 1998 BBC news: "Three young brothers murdered in a loyalist arson attack in Ballymoney, Northern Ireland. The attack comes after a week of protests by Orangemen demanding access to the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road as part of their annual march at Drumcree church." Outrages and provocation from Provos? They killed kids because they weren't allowed to march down a street in nationalist neighborhood; they delight in provoking and kill when they can't provoke.
@rebtris Rebtris, I pity you, I really do. Your a self confessed 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and someone with a mind sick and twisted enough to believe British security forces herded innocent civilians towards a bomb to increase a 'death count'. You condemn one bunch of terrorist killers (UVF) while acting as a cheer leader for another lot equally as bad (PIRA). Sick sick sick. What about the IRA abducting and murdering an innocent mother from her home, in front of her terrified children?
@jacksbacksucker I only brought up the UVF murders because so many point the finger at the IRA as if they were the only ones doing bombings and murders. Both sides have equal atrocities but only one side has been treated with prejudice and provocation and that is the difference between IRA and UVF. The difference between you and me is that I recognize, admit and denounce my country's wrongdoing, you do not.
@rebtris Oh for fu... sake. Lie and lie and lie. Do you do anything else? I have clearly denounced more British wrongdoings than IRA..bloody sunday, 1916 summary executions of IRA uprising leaders. The entire colonisation of Ireland in first place! Difference between you and me is your a nasty half braindead supporter of child murderers. . I'm utterly sick and replused with you. Your a reprehensible human being and your family have my sympathy. Now please dont engage me any more.
@rebtris I'm not itnerested in being brainwashed by Republican or Loyalist propaganda thanks. Your not really interested in peace or the truth anyway, your biased attidues, nasty mindness and blindness to any truh betrays you as a racist and a hatemongerer. Of all the people I have discussed this issue with, including many IRA supporters, your the least rational and informed, and I kick myself every time I bother responding to you. Its just annoying seeing you spread blatant lies.
@rebtris yes that happend , now you look at the birmingham bombings , not a military target , less than 6 minutes vague warning ,21 dead over hundred injured , most of the dead were young teenage girls and lads , some with irish surnames , the droppinwelll disco , yes soldiers were there and more than 10 dead but it also killed several local girls ,no warning. shankill road bomb killled several civilians including a baby in its pram , the 2 children in warrington age 12 and 5 ,
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Hi, not being nit picky, but just to point out the boy in the warrington bomb was just 3. My ex girlfriend was a close freind of the family and was devestated by it. Even if someone mentioned the bombing ten years later she would physically shake, and choke up with tears to point she'd barely able to speak. People like Rebtris can't begin to understand the reality of the suffering caused by the likes of IRA, or she wouldn't dream of coming out with the nonesense she does.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I've never seen any apologies from the UVF for the people they killed. Why isn't anyone talking about all the bombings and terrorism that the loyalilsts have done. They have agitated and provoked for many years and all you ever hear anyone condemn is the actions of the IRA when they finally had enough and kicked some ass.
@grumpyoldbug I am an American and I vehemently disagree with you! The IRA was only responding to acts of violence and prejudice that were inflicted on them FIRST by the loyalists. Man you need to do some homework. I suggest going to Wikipedia and looking up "The Troubles" and educate yourself a bit.
@DuckingNDiving At last, someone who speaks the truth. Funny how all the atrocities the Brits did were considered "defensive" but the defensive actions of the PIRA are deemed "murders". Some of these people posting on here need to go read up a bit at Wikipedia or something because they seem to only have what information they heard on the telly which is of course very biased. Funny how nobody is carrying on about the murders and bombings and attacks carried out by the UVF and other loyalists huh?
@Rebtris - the IRA had already murdered 56 people before Bloody Sunday. They murdered two soldiers in the Bogside two days earlier, so obviously the Paras would've been a bit angry. The rioters were out throwing huge bricks, fridges, petrol bombs down on the police/army and trying to kill them. This nonsense that Bloody Sunday started the IRA is lies. The IRA and the people in their communities who aided and abetted them caused hundreds of Bloody Sundays over the next 25 years.
@unforkedtongues Direct quote from Bloody Sunday Inquiry: "In our view none of these soldiers fired in the belief that he had or might have identified a person in possession of or using or about to use bombs or firearms. William McKinney and Jim Wray were both shot in the back and none of the other casualties (with the possible exception of Daniel Gillespie) appears to have been facing the soldiers when shot." SHOT IN THE BACK! Wow, what heroes! And you dare condemn the IRA for their actions.
I'll end my comments here. At the end of the day what you rebtris, George Galloways, me, or even the I.R.A, thinks is irrelevent. Northern Ireland is today in the U.K, because it's the democratic will of the majority who live there. End of story. They decide not us. If it is ever the democratic will there to join the Republic they will do so. Till then no point in arguing about it.
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Wow! I didn't know the IRA had done all that stuff! I just read "Paddy's Lament" by Thomas Gallagher and to tell the truth I wouldn't blame the IRA if they wiped England off the face of the earth. Go IRA!
@SnakeOnAPlane Yeah, the real terrorists lived back in 1846 when they let poor Irish families starve to death while boatloads of Irish produced food left Irish docks bound for England. Take that one back.
@SnakeOnAPlane What?! What does Germans and Nazis have to do with it? I certainly don't think all Germans are or were Nazis.. but I still don't see any connection LOL
@rebtris 'lived back in 1846' is the key thing here. You're angry at a nationality of people for actions of their ancestors who are long dead. In comparison, that's like getting angry at Germans for what the Nazis did. Guess you weren't smart enough to figure it out though.
@SnakeOnAPlane I'm angry at the pompous British government, not the people. I'm just as angry at my own government for their shameful deeds both past and present. Wherever you find people suffering in this world, it is nearly always some corrupt and greedy government or the other. What is sad is that the same type of people are in the gov today as there was back then. Nothing much has changed. We're all still ruled by the same profit at any cost mentality. You smart enough to get that?
@SnakeOnAPlane Yeah well I hope you get as worked up over your own gov murdering innocent women, children and old people in Iraq. I said a few words in anger after reading about the atrocities Brit committed against the Irish and I get crucified. Have you protested even once against your own gov's murders or do you only attack people who type a few words on the computer? Were you as outraged when Brit soldiers killed 13 unarmed civilians on Jan 30, 1972? I hope so or you're a hypocrite.
@rebtris Believe me, my main ideal is peace and non-violence. Just today, I was getting annoyed by a friend of a friend training in the British Army who seemed to be glorifying the possibility of being sent to war in Libya. I found such an attitude disgusting, since this man didn't seem to have any cause for going to Libya other than wanting to fire his gun at another living person for the first time in his life. But I digress, if you think Bloody Sunday was bad, justify Bloody Friday for me.
@rebtris If there was famine tommorow in England and all the outlets of McDonalds didn't start handing out their handburgers free, does that make Ronald McDonald guilty of genocide against the English? What you fail to understand is the food shipped out was in private hands, NOT GOVERNMENT, it was private enterprise, the free market. Same as today. Nothing to do with the British government itself who stockpiled Indian maize and sent to ireland to ease the famine.
@jacksbacksucker Apparently you didn't know that the Brit gov back in 1846 required all ships bringing donated food into Ireland to transfer the food onto Brit ships and pay fees for that service. Also the first thing any country that is having a famine does is freeze ALL export of food. I guarantee you that if England had a famine, food export would stop immediately and McDs probably would hand out food for free. I would have to be starving to eat their food but that's beside the point ;-)
@rebtris The Brit Government was also Irelands government, Ireland was part of Britian and the Union. True an unequal part treated much more like a colony at times. But food moving in and out was not crossing any borders it was one and same country and this was in private businesses hands. The government protected shipments, because looting equalled civil disorder. All governments do that its their duty. The government itself stockpiled indian maize, and averted disaster in first year of famine.
@REBTRIS But your right in as much things wouldn't be handled like that today. It was wrong..but not because the 'English are evil', it was because in Victorian times (and later) the philosphy of free market economics was the mantra of the day amongst ruling elites worldwide...as it has been for most of 20th century in U.S.A. That had brutal results in Ireland...
@jacksbacksucker You call over a million dead disaster averted? What then qualifies as a disaster in your book?
The Irish had paid taxes to the British gov and also tithes to a foreign church for generations. I should think they had every right to expect some sort of aid from the government that was being forced on them. When people are starving you're likely to see widespread "civil disorder" as you call it and justifiably so. What little help came from Brit was too little and way too late.
@rebtris At last your getting nearer some truth. Fact is the Union was forced on Ireland, and the penal law had reduced the self sufficiency of the catholic populace to point where the famine was unsurvivable for many. Ireland was then part fo britian..problem is not an equal part. The potato blight happened here too, but the infrastructure was less backward, so didnt cause the same effect. The response from the politicians was mixed, some good, some bad.
@rebtris And I said distater was averted in the FIRST YEAR WINTER 1845/6. The English/british prime minister was good, he stockpiled indian maize and averted distater. The problem came because the government changed, and the new government prime minister new little about ireland, and was a staunch believer in free market economies. so by 1846-8, the situation turned to disaster. also re the civil disorder..on occasions the soldiers did turn a blind eye whilst ships of food were looted.
@rebtris newspapers(.)bl.uk(/)blcs(/) Rebris go to that site and actually read some of the English newspapers 1845-50 and see for yourself the overhwelming reaction of England and the English people was sympathy and charity. Liverpool for example helped 100,000's of Irish who came in need, even though the people there was piss poor themselves. They embraced them fully, including my ancestors. Your judging an entire nation on a few bad landlords, and lazy politicians. Poor Show Fellow.
@jacksbacksucker I tried to go the site you recommended and read the papers.."address not found" error. Once again, I believe that the average person helped in every way they could. I am blasting the GOV for their failures and atrocities NOT THE PEOPLE. The politicians (at least most of them) were more than just lazy. To call the "housebreakers" who tore down the Irish cottages and literally turned them out into the ditches "bad landlords" is a reach of monumental proportions. Read up mate.
@rebtris READ UP MATE...LOL I know all about it...Im a decendant of the people it happened too mate!. I've sat in the archives in belfast rpersonaly eading the first hand original account if my own families eviction. The housebreakers by the way were mostly Irish natives employed by landlords. The landlords wernt all english, they were a mix of Scots, English and Irish. some were live on, some absantee, some extremelly cruel, some extremelly generous.
@rebtris From my own example, the landlord who evicted my family, he was a colonel in the British army. He was a real bastard, totally disinterested in his tennants plight. he bought in the housebreakers and evicted them. The landlord up the road was different and helped his tennnants considerably. My fellow was ill liked in London too, they believed he was actually insane. His son however became a good irishman, and often argued for Irish independance in parliament in London.
@jacksbacksucker It seems I've lost you with the comment about Armagh, all I ask is watch the video, then tell me what you think. To sum it up, I don't believe in random killing of innocent people but I would like to know what, in your opinion, is an appropriate reaction to being thrown off your land and made to starve by ugly laws and even uglier gov. Should one write poetry or songs, maybe letters to the editor? Peaceful protest is great if you have Gandhi to lead you. What would you do?
@rebtris Quote "Paddy's Lament is an embellished account of the worst Famine years (1846-7), by a second generation Irish-American Thomas Gallagher"..i.e it was 'made up fiction' by an American who never lived in ireland or experienced it. Yes the famine was bad, and yes some English based Landlords acted appalingly. But wishing England to be wiped off the face off the earth , or any country, based on a made up fictional historical account, is pretty..foolish, nasty, dumb?
the IRA was a just cause, and they gave warning
MrBillcale 2 months ago
UP THE RIRA!
reddier247 4 months ago
@RMC69100 The English hate the Irish? Most English people, infact 99.99999% of English people, don't give a flying fuck.
Talbot6832 5 months ago
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My bombs are bigger than your's!
terratrema 5 months ago
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Where is there even ONE white homeland?????Why is it okay for only well built well facilitated white countries to be invaded?????Why cant they build their own nation?Why give charity when it goes to militias,the muslim brotherhood illicited funds for terrorism,and by giving aid to africa we enable them to have the extra money to buy guns and fund their extravangent ugly excessive lifestyles..DOESNT THE WHITE RACE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER WE ARE PROPAGANIZED ABOUT HAVE JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO SURVIVE?
IslamsVisionofWorld 5 months ago
I bet half the young blokes rioting and kicking it off with the Army over there these days know nothing of the history or why they are even kicking off other than the fact its the inherent thing to do. I cant ever imagine things being "normal" over there for the simple fact there are too many Mp's and suits with their own agendas on all sides!
stevo7281 6 months ago
Maybe if Irish were brown people that caller would have his memory right.
ricardofuego 6 months ago
you killed irish civilians it was war 53 dead ? over 4000 in ireland you stupid cunt
dundalkboss 6 months ago
Keep Ireland tidy - brits out.
IrishFella87 6 months ago
It will take a long time for United Ireland to become an acceptable option. Many middle ground, non hard liners may accept it even now, but older (40s plus) people still remember some of Martin McGuinness' comments in the 80s such as ' Get rid of the Brits first, then we'll take care of the Protestants'. Things like that will make it difficult to move into a UI without it looking like a climb down. Future generations will be unaware of things like that and Mcguinness won't be around. Maybe then.
widerthanone 7 months ago
What would have happened if it was Irish, throwing things at the brits.It would have been the defence forces killing piolple. IRELAND FOR THE IRISH.George you are very selective when you want.
mistyshadow100 7 months ago
This coming from a man who marched side by side with Gerry Adams and McGuinness
I won't lie, Galloway talks a good game sometimes (usually without the other person getting a word in) but he is a walking contradiction.This man SUPPORTED the IRA, he doesn't deny this.He supported the death of thousands yet when i questioned him in a calm rational non-confrontational manner on his facebook page he banned me.
Oh good old George has the soundbites but he DETESTS hearing others opinions
YonDailyGossip 7 months ago
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YonDailyGossip 7 months ago
this all coming from a man who supported and took bribes from saddam hussein.
xkeo21 7 months ago
Tell us about holy cross George.
mistyshadow100 8 months ago
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Fuckhead.
brinepacer 8 months ago
HUN BASTARD
laochgael1 9 months ago
Stop invading countries and mind your own business if you dont want to be attacked!
I normally like Galloways comments/views........but the IRA are not fucking terrorists!
England controls the media and paint the IRA as terrorist.........but England have committed heinous crimes in Ireland and elsewhere for centuries!
mossy121c 9 months ago
@mossy121c To be honest the IRA are terrorists.
xxksaoXX 9 months ago
@xxksaoXX How did you come to this conclusion? Defending your own country makes you a terrorist?
mossy121c 9 months ago
@mossy121c I come to that conclusion when they issue death threats to people (even Catholics) because they don't follow what the IRA want them to do. They are not defending their own country, they are a bunch of glorified murderers.
xxksaoXX 9 months ago
@xxksaoXX Before the IRA's campaign catholics where not even allowed to vote in the north of Ireland, reguarly attacked and killed by loyalists/brits.......not to mention the countless other horrific crimes against humanity the british committed not only in Ireland but many a land worldwide........sometimes violence has to be met with violence. I would how ever like to see all republicans trying to achieve a united Ireland through political means (now that we can actually vote).
mossy121c 9 months ago
@mossy121c That was only from the 20s to 50s, and you cant blame the British for that, they were not responsible for it. But since then, all Catholics and Protestants have been allowed to vote in the elections (excluding the closing of the Stormont Parliament).
I am mainly referring to the Provisional IRA which I and my family have felt the brunt of.
xxksaoXX 9 months ago
@xxksaoXX That was only from the 20's to the 50's........oh sorry, thats not bad at all then....you are not in touch with reality. I will not and agree with every thing the IRA has done, but it was a necessary struggle. Britain has been murdering, raping, TERRORIZING Ireland and our People years ago FACT!
mossy121c 9 months ago
@mossy121c Prehaps a poor choice of words it would seem.
It isn't necessary now, WE have representation, WE have protection. But the IRA and other paramilitaries are still murdering people.
There is no one alive in Britain or Ireland who was alive during the raping and the pillaging. Show a bit of Christian forgiveness.
xxksaoXX 9 months ago
@xxksaoXX I dont agree with the rira's campaign...when the IRA was active it was necessary, now we can achieve a united peaceful Ireland where both religions can live through political activity. As for the Christian comment....... Britain although it may claim to be a Christian country, but its actions, current and historical is conflicting with this claim.
mossy121c 9 months ago
@mossy121c Paisley's bunch will never accept reunification even if the vote is done democratically. I personally would, however I believe there are more benefits for the North if we remained in the UK.
xxksaoXX 9 months ago
@mossy121c Exactly, i agree with you. I hate it and dont understand it when the brits say about irish genocide "yeah but that was years ago..." what does that matter? that was our ancestors. That was innocent ppl. The holocaust was years ago but ppl still remember it and still call it shameful, they dont say "yeah that was years ago" it still happpened! it was still a crime! Britain should amend for their crimes but reuniting ireland under Irish rule.
tysonthepooper 9 months ago 6
@tysonthepooper Unfortunately the 'winner' gets to dictate the media and history books.......brainwashing the general population who read/hear over and over what they want and eventually believing it without questioning it. The only difference between Hitler and Ceaser was that the latter was 'victorious' and thus proclaimed a 'great' ruler! Imagine living in a land conquered by the romans.........they where barbarian in their invasions!
mossy121c 9 months ago
@tysonthepooper make amends by uniting ireland , what makes you think that would make ireland a better place overnight , youve a large unionist population in the north , who are against the idea ,and if forced into a united ireland could become unstable again, who would want that millstone around their necks, if i was southern irish i wouldnt touch NI with a bargepole , the problem will be totally on ireland, who are struggling to cope as a country without the norths baggage as well
TheMightOfTheEnglish 6 months ago
and when you say britain, it was the same then not the british people but government and big business,and landowners, the ordinary british citizen in the 1800s were little more than serfs and factory fodder , any crime or neglect sould be aimed at government of the day , not the ordinary british or english, that what gets me, fucking english ,the republicans say, hold on a bit, we were shat upon ourselves and still are
TheMightOfTheEnglish 6 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Spot on mate I am tired of being blamed for crimes I didn't commit. The problem is it's lose lose for both sides whatever happens. It is amazing how many Irish people are ignorant of the situation in N.Ireland. The problem is that they have got such a chip on their shoulder it will never be rid
eaststandred 6 months ago
@eaststandred I'd say very few Irish people are ignorant of the situation in Northern Ireland as many of them were alive and are still alive. As well as the fact of existing it is studied in schools in depth unlike in England and we were not subject to propaganda from the BBC.
suppernoddypo2k7 5 months ago
@tysonthepooper
Why? When the vast majorety of N.Irish people want to remain British, why force them to become part of the ROI, its not fair at all.
P.S Fuck the IRA, terrorist cowards.
mwillis1000 3 months ago
@tysonthepooper You can only judge history by the standards/values of the day. Whilst the Potato famine was not genocide akin to the holocaust we are still talking about the mid 19th century. This was a time when all major european powers had or wanted empire, where poverty was widespread in Britain itself, and when in the United States slavery was still practiced. You cannot judge through modern standards. You can however judge actions of the IRA by modern standards. They are truly shameful.
66scampi 3 months ago
@mossy121c why? considering the mess the south is in?
Paulyb1010 8 months ago
@xxksaoXX In all fairness one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. We were the aggressors so it shouldnt come as a shock to be confronted and given a bloody nose in our tracks. sure the IRA carried out bombings but they were never shy of kicking it off rifle to rifle! If a foreign force started laying the law down in england & taking over you would feel justified by taking them on because you have no loyalty to them or their agenda! "would that make you a terrorist in your own eyes?"
stevo7281 6 months ago
@stevo7281 The Taliban are a darn sight braver than the IRA.
Talbot6832 5 months ago
@stevo7281 No i wouldnt consider them terrorists because they would be fighting to free their country (I'm not english btw).
But the difference is the British Army is not a foreign force, it is the army of the country and that is the end of the matter. It defends us from murderers like the IRA.
xxksaoXX 2 months ago
@xxksaoXX all the ira wanted was for the british to leave, that was reasonable they should have left 700 years ago.. vilence is bad innocent lives were lost and that is terrible but i blame the british for making it all necessarry
MrBillcale 2 months ago
@MrBillcale Why should the british leave? The majority of us Northern Irish want them in Ulster. The British have the democratic mandate to be here and the IRA are bunch of undemocratic murderering thugs. The British created Ireland, it was not one country before they came.
xxksaoXX 2 months ago
@xxksaoXX are over
MrBillcale 2 months ago
@MrBillcale what are exactly?
xxksaoXX 2 months ago
@MrBillcale democratic? oh right you elected your queen thats right and you precense in ireland was so democratic and catholics have always had civil rights in northern ireland havent they,? i'm american my fathers family is dutch protestant and my mums is what the hell are alasatians anyways germans or french? its in france so i'll say i'm french to save time.. anyways they were catholics..no one in my family even likes the catholic church my granfather was raised catholic and
MrBillcale 2 months ago
he used to compare the church to the mafia he hated the roman catholic church..i dont know one person that has any sympathy with britian or you protestants your bigots your like the ku klux klan you invade irleand killed the celts banned their religon occupied their nation.. and thats democratic? piss off up the ra.. next time i'm in ireland 32 i'm sticking 20$ in the box..for the love of dear old ireland.. i dont exactly know why but you british really rub my the wrong way, your glory days
MrBillcale 2 months ago
Martin McGuinness is going to be the British First Minister for Northern Ireland by 5 May 2011. 30 years exactly to the day that Bobby Sands was elected. Martin doing the Brits work lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
unforkedtongues 10 months ago
Just a few of IRA/Sinn Fein's war crimes: Claudy Massacre, La Mon Massacre, Warrenpoint Massacre, Tullyvallen Massacre, Bloody Friday,Shankill Massacre,Enniskillen Massacre,Kingsmill Massacre,Teeban Massacre,Darkley Massacre,Newry Massacre
unforkedtongues 10 months ago 3
There are only 2 scenarios open to the IRA/Sinn Fein. Either they were terrorists trying to overturn liberal democracy by killing civilians - or they were an army. If they were an army then 99% of their actions were war crimes and their leaders of the era (Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams) should be tried and executed.
unforkedtongues 10 months ago
Lol che,still got that stutter i see,bnp dont make me laugh pervert.im not the one who looks at semi naked teen girls ,nonce.
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago 4
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@TheMightOfTheEnglish HAAAHAAAA HAVNT GOT THE BALLS TO REPLY TO ME EH ? :-) MIGHT OF THE ENGLISH EH NOT VERY MIGHTY JUST ANOTHER RACIST BNP ARSEHOLE :-) NOT IMPRESSED
Che870 10 months ago
@Che870 what you on about prick , i answered by phone text , it doesnt allow you to directly answer a post, balls , you havent got any , and fancy taking the name of a scummy argentine mercenary ,then again you republicans always back losers ,and thats a fact
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
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@TheMightOfTheEnglish ill tell what is a fact YOUR A RACSIT WANKSTAIN :-)
Che870 10 months ago
@Che870 losers , to the normans ,to the english ,to the scottish, backing losers ie ,germany in ww1,and nazi germany ww2, gadaffi ,loser ,plo losers ETA losers, cuba losers ,and your mate CHE losers , the republic within eurozone , losers lol fact fact and more facts, never were ,never will be ,going knowhere fast lol , next rant please lol
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago 3
@TheMightOfTheEnglish lets not forget theiry henry hahahahahahaha
CheethamHillRed 9 months ago
@Che870 ha ha look at you geting pwned again, youre a sucker for punishment.
CheethamHillRed 9 months ago
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@CheethamHillRed REALLY ??? ;-)
Che870 9 months ago
@Che870, owned once again fuck face.
joeyshitforbrains 9 months ago
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@joeyshitforbrains oohhhh its the cocksucking troll :-) what ??? im supposed to be impressed :--)
Che870 9 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish ...the might of the english...what a joke.
remixnick 6 months ago
@remixnick See you disappeared dickhead
TheMightOfTheEnglish 6 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish disappeared?...I'm right here.
remixnick 6 months ago
@remixnick says your channel is not available?? your right ,were not mighty anymore ,but f the tag winds up repulican irish ,that,ll do me, no were not mighty, but look back on our industrial revolution, british inventions ,and everything else to numerous to mention,we were ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 6 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I don't have a channel, not that it matters. "repulican" Irish...oh no. British inventions, yea British...as in not just England. It appears you are the one who is the...dick...head.
remixnick 6 months ago
What terrors this then mate .what period of time are you on about.you reap what you sow in this world . The last hundred years .bar ww1,more irish have been killed ,murdered and executed by fellow irish than british,many irish worked for the establishment. Mps,police.army.government,ira assasinations and wageing war on the establishment.your going to get reaction against the rebels.anarchists and their supporters,anti agreement and pro agreement republicans were just as brutal towards each other
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
Funny how he forgets to mention all the terror the British inflicted on the ppl of Ireland.
MPArmstrong84 10 months ago
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jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@jacksbacksucker Wow, guess I touched a nerve eh? I want to know, specifically, what "lies" I'm guilty of. You keep going back in time and justifying atrocities by saying that basically everyone was doing those things in that era; and to some extent they were but the penal laws and the other "laws" enacted by either the Brits or the Brit supported loyals made things done elsewhere pale by comparison. You keep resorting to negativity and name calling yet you call me ignorant?
rebtris 10 months ago
But that doesn't concern you half as much. Maybe you should examine the worse injustices on your own doorstep that you are a part of before worrying so much about us. We can sort ourselves out thanks without American interference.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@jacksbacksucker You weren't doing such a good job of "sorting yourselves out without American interference" in WW2 were you now?
rebtris 10 months ago
@jacksbacksucker You weren't doing such a good job of "sorting yourselves out without American interference" in WW2 were you now?
rebtris 10 months ago
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@jacksbacksucker You weren't doing such a good job of "sorting yourselves out without American interference" in WW2 were you now?
rebtris 10 months ago
@jacksbacksucker You weren't doing such a good job of "sorting yourselves out without American interference" in WW2 were you now?
rebtris 10 months ago
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jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@jacksbacksucker Oh take your blinders off.
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris "Oh take your blinders off."..and there goes the pot calling the kettle black. lol Sorry rebtris for my blood pressures sake I'm blocking you, youre impossible, and not worth trying to have a rational discussion. I could argue with you till the cows come home and still get nowhere. Bye
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@jacksbacksucker I'm not trying to be "impossible". I just think the evidence shows that "The Troubles" were caused by Brit gov and/or Brit supported loyalist actions. I have learned alot about Irish/English history from this exchange but unlike you I don't think I know it all. I do remain convinced that the Irish people were grievously wronged in both the recent and ancient past and are justified in feeling animosity towards Brit gov. and loyalist agitators. Not seen anything to change that.Bye
rebtris 10 months ago
The army thought they would be in and out .had no argument against anyside.at first.and walked into 400years of hatred that was a culture shock to most soldiers .like it or not the protestants .the majority in NI have been there for 400years.longer twice as long as america as a country has existed .and to compare the treatment of native americans to the irish is no where near as bad .as for land stolen .how about texas off the mexicans.california.half a continent.
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish treatment nowhere near as bad huh? I don't discount the injustices by my own gov, but the surviving Natives were given reservations to live on AND help from the gov by way of food etc. The Irish were forced off their land, rented a small plot from the landlords and were expected to give all but a pittance of their crops to the landlord. Also they had to pay tithes to a church they did not support and taxes to a gov they didn't want. How is that not worse?
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris "The Irish were forced off their land, rented a small plot from the landlords and were expected to give all but a pittance of their crops to the landlord." Again so wrong. English peasant did the same. Nothing to do with and Irish English thing. The Catholics were not banned from owning land by the penal laws, they were banned from passing it on. When James II breifly put Catholics back in the ascendancy, they deprived protestanhts entirely! thats why the protestants had no mercy.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@rebtris Also this was all at a local level *i.e before IRELAND WAS IN uNION 1802), the English, and King William, pleaded with the local protestants not to impose harsh reactionary laws on catholics, but they did so...NOT the English in London. Now how is any of that worse than tricking an entire nation out of their land, slaughtering those who don't want it, shrinking them onto caged reservations, and totally depriving them of any sovereingty over so much as an inch of their own land?
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@rebtris haha you helped the native americans with food ,whys that , because the land they were given was useless,,after you stole the whole continent, how many wounded knees did the US army commit , they were chased across the continent, even the peaceful tribes like the nez pearce,sitting bull was asassinated while under arrest,, you call the little big horn a massacre , yet the US army attacked the souix , while you call the massacre of wounded knee a battle
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
The army went into ni .to stop the anarchy and street battles .to stop both communities commiting ethnic cleansing .and to stop the breakdown of law and order,the nationalists welcomed them .you cannot have on any street civilians killing civilians .gunbattles ,men with illegal assault weapons and no go areas.it was when the ruc .who nationals hated.backed by the army .searched republican houses for weapons that overnight nationalist opinion swung against the army .and soldiers then targetted
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
Ah an american ,you do want to do your homework yourself mate ,youd speak quite differently if it was US forces being sent home in body bags ,your talking of the troubles ,lets get facts right in 30 years and more the british army killed less than 300 in total .republican groups 2000,the majority civilians,the ira killed more catholics than the army did,they bombed their own city centres killing protestant and catholic alike.targeted the whole infrastructure.business,s.make Ni ungovernable
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Facts for you: The UVF has killed more people than any other loyalist paramilitary group. According to the University of Ulster's Sutton database, the UVF and RHC was responsible for 481 killings during "the Troubles", between 1969 and 2001. 83% of the casualties were civilians. Maybe you better do some homework mate.
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris not intrested in what the loyalists do , yes their as guilty as the IRA , you blame the army , yet theve killled less than 300 , in over 30 years , republicans 2000 , how many did the americans kill in a day in mai lai ,in a day more than we did in over 30 odd years ,, now you think the americans would held back and took it the way we did .. youd be talking different if it was your troops under cowardly attack every day , and having to take it
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Cowardly attack! Brit troops shot unarmed protesters IN THE BACK! How much more cowardly can you get?
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris just like the americans did to middle class white americans ,in kent state , how about waco, how many men women and kids die ,and for what, , if your talking about the rioting crowd on bloody sunday, change the record, the march was banned yet still they marched,a section of crowd rioted, and at least one photographer caught a republican armed , when i say cowardly , how about lynching ,torturing and stabbing 2 unarmed soldiers ,before executing them and leaving them naked
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@rebtris cowardly attacks like planting a bomb ,in a transit van, soldiers who had just finished a charity fun run, while they were raising money for local charitys in NI a very brave ira man planted a bomb in the van, resulting in the death of several soldiers , another teenage soldier , lost , held by republican women , until a gunman came and murdered him, cowardly like blowing a bandstand up ,killing a band , like shooting a recruitment officer,while locking up his office in coventry
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
cowardly like killing 2 ausralian tourists in holland thinking they were soldiers , cowardly like killing a soldier in germany ,and his baby alongside him, like planting a bomb in an army coach in england, killing family members as well, cowardly like abducting a catholic mother of 10, torturing her ,then killing her, cowardly for killing a 15 year old catholic boy , accusing him of being a tout ,while he had a mental age of 10, theIRA kneecap young catholics as young as 14
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
if you think these IRA are brave freedom fighters , look no futher than robert mccartney , a catholic man, who with another catholic man crossed the Provos , both were attacked by a large group of provos, who got kitchen knives from the pub kitchen, they chased them outside , beat them ,cut robert mccartneys throat , jumped on his head till his eye came out, and left him to die, they went back into the pub ,threatened everyone ,took the cctv , sinn fein themselves protected them,scum mate
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish The Dublin and Monaghan bombings of 17 May 1974 killed 33 civilians and wounded almost 300 – the highest number of casualties in any single day during "the Troubles". The UVF claimed responsibility in 1993. No warnings were given before the bombs exploded. Three exploded in Dublin during rush hour (killing 26 people and an unborn child) and one exploded in Monaghan ninety minutes later (killing 7 people). The ages of the dead ranged from five months to 80 years. UVF scum.
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris again im not sticking up for loyalist paramiltaries , they just say the same, their bombing us ,let them know how we feel. do you know the IRA have killed more catholics than the army has , if your on about justice , the original argument in the 60s , and the civil rights ,movement was about civil rights, the rights to better housing, the unfairness of the voting system, and better jobs oppurtunities, thats all it was about , no one was calling for a united ireland,apart from
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
apart from the die hard republicans just waiting for an oppurtunity to stir old troubles , early 60s NI was the most law abiding part of the UK, the civil rights also wanted the b specials to be disbanded , all the problems since partition was because of the unionist policies of the government of NI ,our fault was to think the people of NI would be adult enough to run their own affairs fairly .the UK government were guilty of not ruling direct and providing an equal society
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
jump a few years forward ,and the break down of law and order , the RUC couldnt cope , the army went in to prevent futher disorder ,and killings and ethnic clensing, the majority of the rank and file of the british army had no clue of the history of ireland ,they didnt see or choose sides , they reacted to what was happening, they had gun battles with loyalists to at first, most catholics welcomed the army ,and they did prevent much greater bloodshed,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
you cant have groups of civilians of any creed ,shooting other people with assault rifles on the streets of the united kingdom, its not america, those guns were hidden in nationalist areas, these areas had stockpiles of explosives that were blowing up their own city centres, trying to disrupt the whole fabric of NI society , it was the provos that called for a united ireland ,and shifted the blame on everying onto the british ,and targetted all members of the security forces
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
it was inflamed by the RUC backed by army ,searching republican areas,houses were overturned and things broken, the army lost its support of the nationalists ,internment also, the loyalists wernt trying to bring down the state, wernt bombing their city centres ,on the whole wernt targetting the police or army, if tthe political parties would of been left to hammer civil rights out ,without terrorism ,it would of been sorted ,the british have never responded well to terrorism,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
the more the IRA bombed maimed and killed,the more troops were sent ,all the calls for troops out by republicans was bullshit ,if we had pulled out,their would of been a bloodbath ,so to say troops out ,was a joke because they knew we would never leave to let that happen, you look at the provos as being just , theve more in common to the mafia than anything, they had no mandate from the irish people, they did not reconise the government of the south,were outlawed by the southern government
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
all the provos represented were themselves and their supporters ,and misguided supporters from america, ,most southerners didnt want to know, especially a united ireland, why would they want to have all that trouble to pay for and on their doorstep, with irish soldiers going home in bodybags , they couldnt afford it ,didnt want it, they may have sympathised with fellow catholics ,but the vast majoriy ,were happy to let the british take all the shite
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
bloody friday 22 IRA bombs in belfast city centre, people were running from one into the path of other bombs , have you ever seen the pictures of that outrage, people being brushed up off the floor,sweeped into bags 9 dead and 130 injured ,Claudy bombings 9 dead ,5 of them catholics,Darkley bomb , 3 elderly protestant church elders,Harrods bomb 6 dead 90 injured,Kingsmill ,10 protestant workers shot dead byIRA,La mon bomb,12 dead 30 injured, omagh bomb,29 dead 300 injured,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
the list is endless , and did nothing except cause far greater differences and more bloodshed , i thought you yanks may have learned a bit after the oklahoma city bombing,the IRA bombed inniskillen on rememberance sunday girl guides , scouts ,school children ,vetrans of ww2 ,and hundreds of civilians in attendence , no warning, it was a miricle that hundreds didnt die, 12 did and 60 injured, imagine that happening ,to a rememberence service to say pearl harbour,these are people you support
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Never responded well to terrorism.. yeah it's a whole other story when you're on the receiving end of the violence. OK for Brit gov to inter without trial, to let hunger strikers die rather than give them political prisoner status, ok for them to support and favor the Ulster loyalists but when the shite hits the fan and it comes back to them, they start whining about it.
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris the irish have always been their own worst enemies , the republicans , the men of violence , they irish were offered and i think it was passed ,for them to have their own free state ,in 1914 , before ww1 started . ireland would of got a free state and later a republic without the violence , australia did ,canada did,new zealand did , without the violence . what did they do ,, in the middle of the worst war weve ever been involved with, the same year as the somme, they
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
they destroyed the centre of dublin , murder police. irish by the way, etc the people of dublin were outraged ,and threw chamber pots of piss at the rebels ,how dare they when their menfolk were fighting in europe, after ww1 ,they went right into a campaign of violence , do you think we were going to run away ,like the americans in vietnam ,it was far to complicated than that , if we had just left , you had tens of thousands of angry ulstermen ready and very able ,it would of been a bloodbath
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
irish opinion only changed when the 16 were executed , it was in the middle of ww1 , britain could still lose, republicans were openly conspiring with the germans ,and were being supplied by them, ,they were citizens of the united kingdom and ireland , and they attacked the state ,aided by the enemy ,and they were rightly executed, in anyones country , the same thing would of happend, we executed 23 in all, micheal collins,s new government executed 77 anti agreement IRA
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
there were more deaths , more executions ,and as many ,if not worse atrocities , in the irish civil war,than the war of independence , .prisoners were shot without trial on both sides , a group of anti agreement IRA were tied to a landmine and blown up , the catholic church ,threatend all anti agrement IRA with excommunication ,and 77 were executed. far more than under the british, your mates in the IRA collabrated with nazi germany in ww2 ,and threatend to kill american soldiers based in NI
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
The ira, were setting of bombs early in ww2 in england, a bike ,filled with explosive blew up in coventry killing several, the IRA never reconised the government of the south ,sent men to be trained by the german secret services ,aka the gestapo , apart of the republicans de valera even signed a condolence book on hitlers death ,although he internerned irish republicans , lights left on in the south guided german bombers to bomb belfast ,killing 1000 in a single night ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
when i said we dont respond well to terrorism, im saying if we left with our tails between our legs ,from any empire country , at the first sign of trouble, our standing in the likes of the UN would of been zero, you cant run, and let the first rag tag group of individuals take over a country , if we had run from malaya , you would of had a chinese backed chinese dominated government, were the malays would of been 2nd class citizens, if we had run from kenya,the blood thirsty mau maus would
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
the mau maus would of run kenya , the country would of became a bloodbath on the lines of rwanda.. we defeated the terrorists in cyprus to , the violence never works , we got out of aden ,and look at the state of aden now ,and yemen,, the provos in the north were never going to win , by violence , and if we got out of NI in the mid 70s as the provos wanted , it would of became lawless ,a blood bath , it is catch 22 to us , damned if we stay damned if we go ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish = just another bnp racist wanker
Che870 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish = bnp wanker
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Che870 10 months ago
@rebtris as for the land of the free dictating to us,, gauntanamo bay , men interned for 10 years ,not a few months . dont make me laugh about bobby sands , his status as a MP was a farce ,a joke ,and barley beat the unionist opponent, he was no MP ,he was a terrorist leader, if a black panther leader had been voted in as a member of parliament in theUS ,after his group, has killed policemen,prison warders soldiers, blew up new york etxc, do you think he,d get political status
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
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Che870 10 months ago
@rebtris what did the US do with timothy mcvey , after the okelahoma city bomb , did they give him poltical status, no they executed him, he believed in what he did ,as much as sands did , the state killed those people in waco, this was revenge, he beleived in what he was doing, if these black seperatists in the US ,did what the provos did , would they get political status, they get maximum security prison in far worse conditions thatn irish Terrorists were held in
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
the british never let sands die , he wad free to eat anytime , his family could of had him cared for anytime , his mother could of saved her son , as others did do, you couldnt force feed him, you can only do that to mental prisoners , here were people dictating to us how they sould be locked up after committing mass murder , every prisoner in the uk has to follow rules and regulations , they commited crimes as the rest, they sould never had any status except criminals ,loyalists to
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish = just another racist bnp wanker
Che870 10 months ago
if a politician had been jailed , as in seamus mallon or any non violent MP or politician, or say , martin luther king had been jailed , for his beliefs , then you could say they were poltical prisoners , if you get a civilian , being jailed for criminal offences , ie murder, kidnap ,shootings kneecappings , threats, tar and feathering ,bank robbery and so on, criminal offences , caught in the act ,they have no political status ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish = racist arsehole !!!! just another bnp wanker best ignored
Che870 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Actually the civil rights march of Bloody Sunday was a protest against mass internment without trial; at least that was the main focus with the things you mentioned being issues as well. Hopefully the peace process will work and nobody will have to experience the agony of war again. Let's hope so.
rebtris 10 months ago
as well as that the provos threatend mcartneys sisters , who had to leave the place they were born and brought up , warned off by the provos and sinn fein , fucking heros to you yanks hey, thats what the ira are like ,bank robbers kidnappers ,you name it their hands are dirty,,and irish americans hands are to ,clueless scum,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish No if it were my country's troops, I would be protesting them being where they don't belong. I don't think it's right for USA to be in Iraq, or Israel to have taken land from Palestine. I'm not defending US actions in Vietnam or any of the other places they've been unjust. I'm on the side of justice, not loyalty to country. Wrong is wrong, whoever is doing it.
rebtris 10 months ago
I dont talk about loyalist bombings or killings as they can speak for themselves and dont represent us over here, i can see their logic though.they say the same as republicans .its a war,its fighting for freedom.and what your heared off them is they reacted to IRA outrages.the provication was from the provos.loyalists said .when provos stop .they will,if they target crown or loyalists.then they will kill republicans and their supporters.loyalist bombs were a fraction of what the ira did
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish "It's a war, it's fighting for freedom" and yet 10 Irish prisoners STARVED to death in a hunger strike because Brit refused to give them political prisoner status.
rebtris 10 months ago
Respond to this video... 1998 BBC news: "Three young brothers murdered in a loyalist arson attack in Ballymoney, Northern Ireland. The attack comes after a week of protests by Orangemen demanding access to the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road as part of their annual march at Drumcree church." Outrages and provocation from Provos? They killed kids because they weren't allowed to march down a street in nationalist neighborhood; they delight in provoking and kill when they can't provoke.
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris Rebtris, I pity you, I really do. Your a self confessed 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and someone with a mind sick and twisted enough to believe British security forces herded innocent civilians towards a bomb to increase a 'death count'. You condemn one bunch of terrorist killers (UVF) while acting as a cheer leader for another lot equally as bad (PIRA). Sick sick sick. What about the IRA abducting and murdering an innocent mother from her home, in front of her terrified children?
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@jacksbacksucker I only brought up the UVF murders because so many point the finger at the IRA as if they were the only ones doing bombings and murders. Both sides have equal atrocities but only one side has been treated with prejudice and provocation and that is the difference between IRA and UVF. The difference between you and me is that I recognize, admit and denounce my country's wrongdoing, you do not.
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris Oh for fu... sake. Lie and lie and lie. Do you do anything else? I have clearly denounced more British wrongdoings than IRA..bloody sunday, 1916 summary executions of IRA uprising leaders. The entire colonisation of Ireland in first place! Difference between you and me is your a nasty half braindead supporter of child murderers. . I'm utterly sick and replused with you. Your a reprehensible human being and your family have my sympathy. Now please dont engage me any more.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@rebtris I'm not itnerested in being brainwashed by Republican or Loyalist propaganda thanks. Your not really interested in peace or the truth anyway, your biased attidues, nasty mindness and blindness to any truh betrays you as a racist and a hatemongerer. Of all the people I have discussed this issue with, including many IRA supporters, your the least rational and informed, and I kick myself every time I bother responding to you. Its just annoying seeing you spread blatant lies.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@rebtris yes that happend , now you look at the birmingham bombings , not a military target , less than 6 minutes vague warning ,21 dead over hundred injured , most of the dead were young teenage girls and lads , some with irish surnames , the droppinwelll disco , yes soldiers were there and more than 10 dead but it also killed several local girls ,no warning. shankill road bomb killled several civilians including a baby in its pram , the 2 children in warrington age 12 and 5 ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Hi, not being nit picky, but just to point out the boy in the warrington bomb was just 3. My ex girlfriend was a close freind of the family and was devestated by it. Even if someone mentioned the bombing ten years later she would physically shake, and choke up with tears to point she'd barely able to speak. People like Rebtris can't begin to understand the reality of the suffering caused by the likes of IRA, or she wouldn't dream of coming out with the nonesense she does.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I've never seen any apologies from the UVF for the people they killed. Why isn't anyone talking about all the bombings and terrorism that the loyalilsts have done. They have agitated and provoked for many years and all you ever hear anyone condemn is the actions of the IRA when they finally had enough and kicked some ass.
rebtris 10 months ago
@grumpyoldbug I am an American and I vehemently disagree with you! The IRA was only responding to acts of violence and prejudice that were inflicted on them FIRST by the loyalists. Man you need to do some homework. I suggest going to Wikipedia and looking up "The Troubles" and educate yourself a bit.
rebtris 10 months ago
@DuckingNDiving At last, someone who speaks the truth. Funny how all the atrocities the Brits did were considered "defensive" but the defensive actions of the PIRA are deemed "murders". Some of these people posting on here need to go read up a bit at Wikipedia or something because they seem to only have what information they heard on the telly which is of course very biased. Funny how nobody is carrying on about the murders and bombings and attacks carried out by the UVF and other loyalists huh?
rebtris 10 months ago
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@Rebtris - the IRA had already murdered 56 people before Bloody Sunday. They murdered two soldiers in the Bogside two days earlier, so obviously the Paras would've been a bit angry. The rioters were out throwing huge bricks, fridges, petrol bombs down on the police/army and trying to kill them. This nonsense that Bloody Sunday started the IRA is lies. The IRA and the people in their communities who aided and abetted them caused hundreds of Bloody Sundays over the next 25 years.
unforkedtongues 10 months ago
@unforkedtongues Direct quote from Bloody Sunday Inquiry: "In our view none of these soldiers fired in the belief that he had or might have identified a person in possession of or using or about to use bombs or firearms. William McKinney and Jim Wray were both shot in the back and none of the other casualties (with the possible exception of Daniel Gillespie) appears to have been facing the soldiers when shot." SHOT IN THE BACK! Wow, what heroes! And you dare condemn the IRA for their actions.
rebtris 10 months ago
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unforkedtongues 10 months ago
I'll end my comments here. At the end of the day what you rebtris, George Galloways, me, or even the I.R.A, thinks is irrelevent. Northern Ireland is today in the U.K, because it's the democratic will of the majority who live there. End of story. They decide not us. If it is ever the democratic will there to join the Republic they will do so. Till then no point in arguing about it.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@jacksbacksucker With the political gerrymandering that goes on it is unlikely there will ever be a fair election anyway.
rebtris 10 months ago
The IRA's old buddy Colonel Gadaffi isn't doin too well these days.
unforkedtongues 10 months ago
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robin4good 11 months ago
He's right. Whatever the cause. Bombing is bombing.
HughieDixon 11 months ago
Wow! I didn't know the IRA had done all that stuff! I just read "Paddy's Lament" by Thomas Gallagher and to tell the truth I wouldn't blame the IRA if they wiped England off the face of the earth. Go IRA!
rebtris 11 months ago
@rebtris You sickening terrorist scumbag.
SnakeOnAPlane 10 months ago
@SnakeOnAPlane Yeah, the real terrorists lived back in 1846 when they let poor Irish families starve to death while boatloads of Irish produced food left Irish docks bound for England. Take that one back.
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris I guess you'll also never accept that Germans aren't Nazis while we're at it, eh?
SnakeOnAPlane 10 months ago
@SnakeOnAPlane What?! What does Germans and Nazis have to do with it? I certainly don't think all Germans are or were Nazis.. but I still don't see any connection LOL
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris 'lived back in 1846' is the key thing here. You're angry at a nationality of people for actions of their ancestors who are long dead. In comparison, that's like getting angry at Germans for what the Nazis did. Guess you weren't smart enough to figure it out though.
SnakeOnAPlane 10 months ago
@SnakeOnAPlane I'm angry at the pompous British government, not the people. I'm just as angry at my own government for their shameful deeds both past and present. Wherever you find people suffering in this world, it is nearly always some corrupt and greedy government or the other. What is sad is that the same type of people are in the gov today as there was back then. Nothing much has changed. We're all still ruled by the same profit at any cost mentality. You smart enough to get that?
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris 'I'm angry at the pompous British government, not the people.'
Really?
'I wouldn't blame the IRA if they wiped England off the face of the earth.'
I'd like to see how you achieve that without killing the entire English population which you apparently have no quarrel with.
SnakeOnAPlane 10 months ago
@SnakeOnAPlane Yeah well I hope you get as worked up over your own gov murdering innocent women, children and old people in Iraq. I said a few words in anger after reading about the atrocities Brit committed against the Irish and I get crucified. Have you protested even once against your own gov's murders or do you only attack people who type a few words on the computer? Were you as outraged when Brit soldiers killed 13 unarmed civilians on Jan 30, 1972? I hope so or you're a hypocrite.
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris Believe me, my main ideal is peace and non-violence. Just today, I was getting annoyed by a friend of a friend training in the British Army who seemed to be glorifying the possibility of being sent to war in Libya. I found such an attitude disgusting, since this man didn't seem to have any cause for going to Libya other than wanting to fire his gun at another living person for the first time in his life. But I digress, if you think Bloody Sunday was bad, justify Bloody Friday for me.
SnakeOnAPlane 10 months ago
@rebtris If there was famine tommorow in England and all the outlets of McDonalds didn't start handing out their handburgers free, does that make Ronald McDonald guilty of genocide against the English? What you fail to understand is the food shipped out was in private hands, NOT GOVERNMENT, it was private enterprise, the free market. Same as today. Nothing to do with the British government itself who stockpiled Indian maize and sent to ireland to ease the famine.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago 2
@jacksbacksucker Apparently you didn't know that the Brit gov back in 1846 required all ships bringing donated food into Ireland to transfer the food onto Brit ships and pay fees for that service. Also the first thing any country that is having a famine does is freeze ALL export of food. I guarantee you that if England had a famine, food export would stop immediately and McDs probably would hand out food for free. I would have to be starving to eat their food but that's beside the point ;-)
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris The Brit Government was also Irelands government, Ireland was part of Britian and the Union. True an unequal part treated much more like a colony at times. But food moving in and out was not crossing any borders it was one and same country and this was in private businesses hands. The government protected shipments, because looting equalled civil disorder. All governments do that its their duty. The government itself stockpiled indian maize, and averted disaster in first year of famine.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@REBTRIS But your right in as much things wouldn't be handled like that today. It was wrong..but not because the 'English are evil', it was because in Victorian times (and later) the philosphy of free market economics was the mantra of the day amongst ruling elites worldwide...as it has been for most of 20th century in U.S.A. That had brutal results in Ireland...
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago 2
@jacksbacksucker You call over a million dead disaster averted? What then qualifies as a disaster in your book?
The Irish had paid taxes to the British gov and also tithes to a foreign church for generations. I should think they had every right to expect some sort of aid from the government that was being forced on them. When people are starving you're likely to see widespread "civil disorder" as you call it and justifiably so. What little help came from Brit was too little and way too late.
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris At last your getting nearer some truth. Fact is the Union was forced on Ireland, and the penal law had reduced the self sufficiency of the catholic populace to point where the famine was unsurvivable for many. Ireland was then part fo britian..problem is not an equal part. The potato blight happened here too, but the infrastructure was less backward, so didnt cause the same effect. The response from the politicians was mixed, some good, some bad.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@rebtris And I said distater was averted in the FIRST YEAR WINTER 1845/6. The English/british prime minister was good, he stockpiled indian maize and averted distater. The problem came because the government changed, and the new government prime minister new little about ireland, and was a staunch believer in free market economies. so by 1846-8, the situation turned to disaster. also re the civil disorder..on occasions the soldiers did turn a blind eye whilst ships of food were looted.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@rebtris newspapers(.)bl.uk(/)blcs(/) Rebris go to that site and actually read some of the English newspapers 1845-50 and see for yourself the overhwelming reaction of England and the English people was sympathy and charity. Liverpool for example helped 100,000's of Irish who came in need, even though the people there was piss poor themselves. They embraced them fully, including my ancestors. Your judging an entire nation on a few bad landlords, and lazy politicians. Poor Show Fellow.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago 2
@jacksbacksucker I tried to go the site you recommended and read the papers.."address not found" error. Once again, I believe that the average person helped in every way they could. I am blasting the GOV for their failures and atrocities NOT THE PEOPLE. The politicians (at least most of them) were more than just lazy. To call the "housebreakers" who tore down the Irish cottages and literally turned them out into the ditches "bad landlords" is a reach of monumental proportions. Read up mate.
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris READ UP MATE...LOL I know all about it...Im a decendant of the people it happened too mate!. I've sat in the archives in belfast rpersonaly eading the first hand original account if my own families eviction. The housebreakers by the way were mostly Irish natives employed by landlords. The landlords wernt all english, they were a mix of Scots, English and Irish. some were live on, some absantee, some extremelly cruel, some extremelly generous.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@rebtris From my own example, the landlord who evicted my family, he was a colonel in the British army. He was a real bastard, totally disinterested in his tennants plight. he bought in the housebreakers and evicted them. The landlord up the road was different and helped his tennnants considerably. My fellow was ill liked in London too, they believed he was actually insane. His son however became a good irishman, and often argued for Irish independance in parliament in London.
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago
@jacksbacksucker It seems I've lost you with the comment about Armagh, all I ask is watch the video, then tell me what you think. To sum it up, I don't believe in random killing of innocent people but I would like to know what, in your opinion, is an appropriate reaction to being thrown off your land and made to starve by ugly laws and even uglier gov. Should one write poetry or songs, maybe letters to the editor? Peaceful protest is great if you have Gandhi to lead you. What would you do?
rebtris 10 months ago
@rebtris Quote "Paddy's Lament is an embellished account of the worst Famine years (1846-7), by a second generation Irish-American Thomas Gallagher"..i.e it was 'made up fiction' by an American who never lived in ireland or experienced it. Yes the famine was bad, and yes some English based Landlords acted appalingly. But wishing England to be wiped off the face off the earth , or any country, based on a made up fictional historical account, is pretty..foolish, nasty, dumb?
jacksbacksucker 10 months ago 2
@jacksbacksucker You're way off about the book "Paddy's Lament". It was based not "embellished" on actual histo