Federer Murray Haas & more ball toss common threads

[didanhtennis]

Obviously, Soderling and Del Potro's toss is different from these guys.



[xstf]

@didanhtennis yes not everyone turns and tosses the ball like Fed and dome of the others. There are many ways to toss the ball, as a teaching pro i find that my students have an easier time controlling the ball toss blending the toss with the shoulder turn.

[didanhtennis]

Well, you proved a point but can you help me understand how they do that and the ball is about at least 1 to 3 feet in front of them when they make contact? Obviously, the forward motion is pushing the ball into the court a bit or otherwise how could the ball be into the court if the arm is parallel to the baseline.

If you post a video to explain more about the next part of the toss that will help explain a lot about the toss.

Thanks

[xstf]

@didanhtennis yes i am in the process of doing a new toss video. thanks for watching and for your feedback. christophe.

[byen8]

HALLELUJAH ! how many times have I posted comments to coaches teaching to point the hand forward to the net post that the pros actually have the arm parallel to the baseline. I knew I was right.

[xstf]

@byen8 You are very welcome, sadly enough not too many pros teach the toss the proper way. What is even more sad is that most so called experts in our industry still don't see it. Thanks for watching. Christophe.

[Andi12345671]

haas not hass. Hass means hatred in german

[xstf]

@Andi12345671 Thank you for the correction and thanks for watching! Christophe

[sh823543]

I think you are somewhat mistaken. The reason the players on your video are releasing the ball paralell to the baseline is because almost every singel one is serving from the ad-court. I have checked pro serves, and when they serve from the ad-court they also hit the ball more to the right, closer to he baseline. So that explains it. If you notice, the one in your video serving from the deuce-court (safin) is the one person who has his arm slightly infront of him.

[xstf]

@sh823543 Thank you for your comments but with all due respect you are incorrect. I just happened to use clips from the ad-court. If the baseline in at 90 degrees most pros (80%) toss the ball between 45 to 90 degrees. The reason why the arms is extended over the baseline on either side is due to the pronounced shoulder turn so then the arm to the side is actually a natural move. I have fixed many tossing problems using this method and i have used it naturally myself since i was a kid. Thx. C.

[Veneratio10]

@xstf no i'm afraid you are incorrect, with all due respect and sh823543 has made a very valid point. it's entirely nonsensical to serve parallel to the baseline if you're serving from the right side as opposed to left side. i don't even need to waffle through its technical aspects to explain myself, it's trivial.

[xstf]

@Veneratio10 Do you teach tennis for a living? have you coached ATP/WTA players? Have you played professional tennis? Obviously not! As I mentioned before the ball toss comes as the shoulder turns develops hence resulting a toss at a 45 degree angle what is trivial to me is your comment as you clearly no nothing about breaking down a stroke.

[brycewatana]

Great tip. Thank you.

[TeddyTrippett]

Wow, I've been looking at your videos and they are very insightful. Thanks for putting the time in to help other players. I put up a video today of my serve improving, thanks to the info that people like you post.

[xstf]

@TeddyTrippett You are very welcome, glad i was able to help.

[angelsanddemons100]

@xstf hey, thanks so much for this. I've been getting good tennis advice from a lot of your vids. Just a quick question though, if fed or roddick keep the ball toss locations similar for first and second serves, what distinguishes them from each other? Is it the swing path, grip, timing? Thanks! :)

[xstf]

@angelsanddemons100 The swing path is the key. Thanks for watching let me know if you need help with any of your strokes. Christophe

[ravi48819]

Given that the ball is released behind the baseline,

how does one make the toss land in front of the baseline ( ~ 2 feet in front)?

[xstf]

@ravi48819 The ball is released parallel to the baseline but with a forward momentum. Thanks for watching. Christophe.

[xstf]

FYI they use the same tossing motion for a first or second serve. I have hours and hours of footage to make my point. Thanks for watching. C.

[10sanalysis]

all great tennis players toss the ball over their front foot. If the foot is angled 45 degrees to the net they will toss the ball 45 degrees to the net and if their foot(front foot) is parallel to the net they will toss the ball parallel to the net. It has a lot to do with and if it is a first or second serve. It is not always the case that the toss is parallel to the net. (and/or the baseline)

[xstf]

@MarvelXxClanXxpage Yes I am a teaching professional. I have been teaching tennis for the past 25 years and i had a very short career playing professional tennis. I thank you for your compliment and keep watch and never hesitate to ask me questions about your game. Thanks Christophe.

[bubermark]

Thanks for this video. It is a funny thing that Hewitt is in this because my when I have tried to emulate his serve I have noticed that I have served my best, with both placement and power. I always thought that it was because his style, while simple, is compact and emphasises key elements to the serve. While doing this though I found myself straining my back more so have not stuck with it. I'm going to try this tip and see how it works out. Thanks

[xstf]

@bubermark Thanks for watching, I am glad i was able to help, keep watching i have new videos coming soon

[ronipu]

where ?right there ?

[ffallenaangel]

murray ugly servicer

roger ebst swim ever

[nbalata]

I would disagree that they use this same serve toss (paralell to the baseline) on the deuce side.

[xstf]

@nbalata I would advise you to look at my slow motion stroke video library and notice that all the models in this video use the same motion in the deuce court as well. Since they all turn their upper bodies at the beginning of their motion the tossing hand WILL end up parallel to the baseline. I did not invent this i just let the videos show the facts.

[rpapi12]

wow you did such a great job with this video explanation - if we still had a star system you'd be getting 5 from me :)

[charliewuu]

are those first or second serves? Could be different

[xstf]

@charliewuu

Both first or second serve should have the same tossing motion.

[MrPURECONTROL]

murray actually said he watches clips of federer to improve his game

[antoniospades]

thanks! that was awesome! question though...if your tossing hand is parallel to the baseline, how is it that the ball manages to be tossed "within the court"?

[xstf]

Watch the video i did called "How to tame your serving toss" I believe it's on the second page the 9th video from the end. Let me know if that answered your question.

[antoniospades]

yeah, it did! thanks for pointing it out!

[evegeniy13]

thanks it is a really good video

[roslee7]

your video are the best....u compare wit different players and really show in slow motion the stroke and technics....thumbs up

[Grimmjowjaguarjack]

I think it's important to note that the arm stands parallel to the baseline mostly on the ad side, where the body position is slightly different in comparison with the deuce side.

For example, the Marat Safin pic that you posted, the angle is not great, but I think his arm is not parallel to the baseline, it's probably crossing the baseline at an angle of 45º or lesser.

[xstf]

You do bring up a good point, the ball toss is maybe a little less than parallel to the baseline on the deuce court. But I have found a lot of success teaching my students to toss the ball parallel to the baseline on either side. Doing so creates a great upper body coil and helps tremendously people who are struggling controlling their ball toss.

Thank you for your comment. Christophe

[farood5]

fantastic, amazing. Chris

[Glorgig]

Your Vids are the best!

[xstf]

Thank you!

C.

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