BeaverRun Crash on Ducati 1098

[1965cyclone39]

Looks to be caused by braking too much while going into the corner, or what is called 'trail braking'. Takes lots and lots of practice to do it correctly. The front is already at or near the traction limit as you push it into the turn (if you are going the correct speed for the conditions). Any brake while the tire is at it's actual traction limit will cause it to momentarily lock up / loose traction and down you go. I hate to see them run on there side like that. Starves the engine of oil.

[HmoobAtlanta]

what the reason why it do that? 

[TheDemonStr]

mmmm wrong brake +too much speed .never brake at the corner

[multilevelmarketers]

have done it

[WwAste]

overbraking simply as that.

[EricMorseRacing]

I ended up highsiding my white 1198 in T4 there.

[1480kyos]

Hmm hand full of front brake!

[jpcwon28]

Just lost the front it looks like... :( I felt bad laughing though, when I heard the horn go "beep-beep-beep" as the horn button scraped across the grass... :)

[sunce008]

shame :(

[middlemanclayton]

ur a jerk and i had sex with ur mother last night

[ruinedinc]

was that due to down shifting while on a lean?

[Lee7887]

That'll cost something to fix ..

[vibeflyer]

Bad luck mate, I like the way you were trying up until the crash, good on ya

[omgwtfkangaroobbq]

Thank god for leather.

[Betafigo]

o shit poor 1098...

[pendulap7]

To much front brakes...

[spadastunter]

Thats what ya get when you are braking hard and then decide to turn in with too much pressure on the front brake. Hence a low side.

[thenameisdaniel]

Crash analysis aside, do the Ducs not have a tip-over kill switch?

[FireIwithoutIwire]

@thenameisdaniel ....i dont think that he had time to think...

[thenameisdaniel]

I was talking about the mechanism that automatically kills the engine when the bike falls over. Don't Ducatis have that?

[FireIwithoutIwire]

@thenameisdaniel i dont think so.....

[heintze168]

everybody crashes and we learn from our mistakes, nothing to be ashamed or worried about. the important thing is your okey. the bike, you can always buy a new one. nice bike ,ducati...

[GFMROB]

I also think the break use is very long in the 2nd corner on the beginning in this vid. More throttle control might help.

[GFMROB]

For my view a "survival reaction" error.

To much speed for the kind of blind corner entrance, afraid ... and then comes the hard break use. Possible a kind of working more with the throttle would be good or earlier use of the break to get the right speed for the corner entrance that comes shortly after the blind entrance.

Correct me if I am wrong but thats what I see here.

[Evildante1]

lol he could slide instead of locking the frond wheel...if he did that he wouldnt fall and had a turn (a la valentino rosi)! heheheh

[yalexfumi46]

locked the front wheel and tried to turn but u cant make a turn with the front wheel locked

[lifeisgood070]

damn doesn't look like he has frame sliders either. That's a nice bike to go down like that. :(

[cavemanpowered]

Keith Code - A Twist of the Wrist II. Survival reaction #7 - turning the bike with too much brake.

[004308]

lol what exactly happened?

[Brainiac83]

He was going in too hot and he knew he wasnt goin to make the corner so he paniced insted of loosing as much speed as possible till the grass and rolling on the grass.

[ZacGot1]

dam tuff break, just a little too much break in that corner

[b250258a]

orz

[outkasst88]

Thank you for letting me learn from your mistake. Not one I think I would have made, but it's even less likely now

[fatcat669]

well arent u the ace of cakes you fucking knob

[freshageVI]

So, how long since your last shiny side down then? Because that comment can only be taken as though you are a scooter pusher or a twat. Piss off mate.

[adamus995]

hmm too much brakes while leaning the bike... well u probably know it :)

[Manos4683]

i live the horn....sound xoxoxo

[PANOSGT550]

o shittttttttttttttttttttttttttt­ttttttttttttttttttttt

[spanky3425]

what a fag

[trippinyayo]

we know you are

[faholdschool]

noob braking detected!!

[yalexfumi46]

hay k ser subnormal para caerte en linea recta. podria haber hecho un recto por la bierba en lugar de eso ha clavado los frenos

[dwizen69]

poo

[lasciapippo]

Gass a bestia!!!

[shadowbillyphone]

It looks like a front wheel problem. Probably down shifting. That seems to be a very fast drop, you didn't have enough time to react to it.

Anyway, there's isn't really a point to analyze it.

I'll get myself a 1098 aswell. Hope it's not too hard to ride:)

Get well soon and take care.

[simonh102]

hope you OK mate, that looked a bit unfortunate, nice to see someone else using a ducati rather than cleaning it or fitting carbon fibre huggers to them :) hope I dont drop my new 848......

[kj7687]

Damn you. I'd kill my mother for a brand new, white 848 lol!

[salvohonda]

dts-kab

[ebz24]

oh man.. thas not good dude.. hope the driver is ok, shit on the bike...

at least the biker is still alive :S

[rtbreunesse]

Terrible! I'm sorry for you mate,

[kofski321]

not sure why, but i laughed when i heard the horn @ the end

[paradisecity876]

how did he crash??? it looked like he just fell off the bike randomly!!! no wobbling no other rider hitting him he just bloody fell down

[yes333yes]

He was braking into a turn. and when your braking your are held up right. So he was using his traction for braking but he tried to turn as well and you really can't do that on bikes. And dont listen to user12000 hes f***ing stupid and doesn't know what hes talking about!

[patrickmc40]

nice horn

[marek0086]

nice lawn mower. LOL!

[vincentcostales]

yah..and pretty expensive choice...just kiddin for the riding.

[technicolorhighway]

OUCH!

[basracer]

well actually you wouldn't break hard then

downshift in the middle of the turn would you ?

thats what I meant. You dont downshift and rev the engine to pieces , its balanced out with throttle control. Ever heard of fluid transitions , smooth baby smooth

[basracer]

only the rider will ever know just how much brake he grabbed. Seems to me the transitions

as described earlier

1.Downshift first

2.Brake second

3. ease on throttle coming out of courner

all sounds like smooth consistant riding

nothing jerky or sudden to throw off geometry

and break away traction unnessarily

[soepvlees]

Yeah, downshift before you start braking, and rev the engine to pieces. (if the slipperclutch doesn't save it)

I wouldn't recommend it!

[nuzz7812]

looks 100% like too much binder going into the turn. No biggie. anyone who has been to a track day has either come close or actually bit it from this at first. hope your ok

[greenlaserpointer]

STI CAZZI!!

[nissontek]

I don't know. Looks like he grabbed the front a bit too hard. The tire chirps just before the front tucks. The mono-block Brembos on those 1098's are not messing around. They will stop that bike yesterday if not applied gently. Just my opinion.

[gilluminati]

i see the front tucking before the chirp.. which means he tried to turn before he started braking.

[backbone11]

WOW!!! SFW, whats wrong w/ that.

[antjeglatt]

Its not the fault of the rider, at the degree where the frontwheel lost the grip u can brake definitly 95% as strong as u can break on straight!!! and the bike wasnt even on the front wheel while braking, so there was still enought reserve left! I would say that tire was cold or something on the track!!!

[ChronicusMaximus]

Beep Beep Beeep beep

[Brianmuuh]

Haha :p

[Brianmuuh]

Beep Beep Beeep beep

[leovinceusa]

Noooooo! Oh that hurts to look at.

[yeahlikewhatever]

Had a big grin all the way through the "Ducati 848" video with your pipes...

[mrlollo]

be be bep! lol hahahahahahah

[Norther1989]

xD xD xD

[lifesAnOcean]

It appears he downshifted with a little weight on the inside pegs, the rear chattered a bit (there's no slipper), went out and low-side. What a mess!

[01010100]

Humm I dont understand how he crashed like that.

[giorgiopic]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooo

[itr835]

Im new at riding at tracks and all...

it looked like the front tire just washed out if that's even the correct term?

please correct me if Im wrong, I probably am.

[yeahlikewhatever]

it's okay to use that term but more commonly would be the term "lowside" which means he fell to the inside of the turn, versus "highside" which means the bike rolled to the outside of the turn and threw the rider over the bike.

[fastattack686]

Thank you.. someone who comes up with the right answer, and admits they are not an 'expert' by trying to discredit the others... I agree.. Typical hot entry off straight.. downshift.. still too fast.. grab a handful of 'lets lock the front wheel and at turn entry' and customize the side of my new 1098....been there myself and fortunately had the luck of scrubbing enough speed and few brain cells to not freeze..

[ludo4869]

the engine didn't stop runing, interesting.

[Atraniz]

Sounds a bit to me, like the brake pads where worn down... anyone share my thought?

[zero1898]

typical with all Brembo brakes on almost all Ducatis. I own a 2002 748S that sounds the same even after I replaced the pads.

[chikwaters817]

Poor lad.. (Im talking about the bike)

[Dainy512]

that was painful to watch

[13gixxerD]

1. Down Shift!

2. Then Break!

3. Then Start Turning!

[Ad4l4xy]

your a moron, if you down shift before your break after accelerating down a straight youll put the engine past the red line.

so you sir a fucking wrong.

[13gixxerD]

Obviously Ad414xy, you don't know shit about track riding....Assuming the rider is "Blipping" the throttle, matching engine RPM with road speed while Down Shifting the engine will not red-line....So you Mrs. are a FUCKing Squid/Ignorant Bastard who just showed how little she knows about track riding/racing...Have a nice day!!!!

[User120000]

actually "blipping" the throttle is done either A) While braking and downshifting (kinda like the heel/toe method in cars)

or B) When you are low enough in the powerband and you want to switch back to accelerate faster.

Either way you NEVER downshift before lowering your rpm's by braking. Even blipping won't help a thing because the engine will ALWAYS go to a higher rpm when you downshift...

Well that's atleast why I guess all the MotoGP racers drive that way.. ofcourse you could be better ^o)

[mvspeed101]

MotoGP racers don't really need to blip for two reasons: Advanced slipper clutches and traction control

[btrujill]

Some riders do "blip" the throttle. The mechanics can adjust the amount of tension on the clutch for more or less slip when down shifting. Its all about rider preference. MotoGP would be the most prone to this as they aren't using production bikes and have that luxury, but I think for the most part they have adapted to slippers.

[Ad4l4xy]

if you down shift before braking it doesnt matter if you blip the throtle your still gonna send the engine past red (if your gunning it down the straight) because for the tranny to maintain the same speed in a lower gear it has to rev higher. but braking brings the speed down and there for the rpm that lower gear has to maintain for that speed. so if they down shift before braking which is what i was correcting you will rev past red line. Im also a dude, moron

[sebas19992]

pouaaahahhahahahaaaaa

[Culte46]

lol beep bep bep bp

[renobaron]

LOL!

[defiant900]

maybe brake and then turn when you are riding on the street but when you are on a racetrack, there is a thing called trail-braking "smizay" take that class

[mrlollo]

bip bip bip uhsashuahsahahshauhahuahuhusa LOL!!!

[smizay]

He was braking while he started to turn. Brake then start to turn next time. Take a class.

[vfr4bgt5]

take a new bike.LOL

[notsa]

And,ladies and Gentlemen,has you can hear,our Ducati intelligent Motorbike hight technology,speak when something is wrong;

''Bip bip biiip-bip!!''

Mean,fuck dude,i told you to order water on the restaurant before!!

[yeahlikewhatever]

10/26/07

press release issued by Build Momentum:

Cupertino, CA - LeoVince Pegram Racing Ducati pilot, Larry Pegram, broke the standing lap record at western Pennsylvania's BeaveRun Motorsports Complex (on his Dunlop shod Ducati 749R.

"We invited Larry out to the track to show us what he and his Ducati were capable of doing...he broke the standing track record of 57.40 with a time of 56.93," said Pegram supporter and track investor Mike Milan...

[bigdave68]

Why was the engine still running when the bike was on it's side? Should have stopped.Don't Ducati have a tilt switch on them?Could have done all sorts of damage to the motor.

[pesciolinoad]

un vero peccato...i freni di questa moto bisogna saperli usare!!!!

il pilota, come sta?

[doug5336]

Ouch! Ducrappy!!!!!

[dunff85]

track looked wet...you didn't have slicks on did you?

[cofiSRB]

He was just braking with front brake...

[messsssup]

Thats right

[REDO5R1]

i agree with professorlgor....

[stromboldt]

Crash. Beep. Beep. Beep. Awesome.

[rooney62danny]

0hhh hard!

[jazdoggie1]

He learned not to come over the hill so fast and break his front tire loose trying to slow down.

[ProfessorIgor]

he was braking, but not too hard, I wonder if he was on cold tires or ran over some slime on the track ?? that bike dropped like a fooking stone under him.

[rooney62danny]

ouch... even i know not to break whilst going round corners and im 13 years old and drive my dads suzuki gixxer k3

[bas2ebi]

You just drive your own mind.. dont talk bullshit, you dont ride your dads suzuki gixxer k3 you maybe drive your own bycicle smooth boy!

[rooney62danny]

i think someone is talking shit.. go insult young boys on other websites please!

[messsssup]

LOL, im 19 years old and owner of Suzuki GSX-R K5.

I had lot of close calls but for you? u will be dead for sure

[rooney62danny]

dude if had enough shit for one day !

[KTM333]

Guy was way too hard on the brakes, you hear no decrease in the brake whine. To those saying the bike is toast, no shot. Some new plastics, fkn thing didnt even tumble.

[GovernoLadroPorco]

Cazzo ma come fai? una ducati nuova e andar a terra. Mi spiace per la ducati non per te zio.

[yeahlikewhatever]

Whoa dude! Somebody help me out with this translation! Babel Fish translator says it's:

I haul but as you make? one ducati new and to go to earth. Me spiace for ducati the not for you uncle.

HA

[GovernoLadroPorco]

Ehi man..NO RISK NO FAN. Sei grnade t'invidio che hai girato con la ducati 1098. Ciao bello

[RagingInferno]

Waz675, you are completely incorrect.

Error 1:

The guy tried to turn whilst still applying the brakes hard. Trailbraking is for guys like Ben Spies, not amateur racers.

Error 2: Leaving braking way too late(get the braking done early and smoothly), you want to be applying the throttle as early as possible.

[metalformers]

Oh man... that hurts, I mean the bike and pocket!

[LawrenceTrent]

I have a 1098S in black; you can hear those front breaks on this bike screaming as the bike enters the turn prior to going down. If you're braking that hard going in, you don't get as much available traction; that wheel dropped as soon as you started to lean. Hope you had race plastics on!!!!!

[danrivito]

There's only one R in Beaverun.

[yeahlikewhatever]

That seems obvious, doesn't it? Just as there're two R's in "BeaverRun".

[danrivito]

go ahead and check out beaverun,com

[sammy124321]

does that hurts !!

[billybanter67]

LOL

[Mavster101]

I like all the comments and how its a waste of 20k to spend and maybe a but more for the r1 i would race the focker, and if i could spend that much money on a bike i would say, sh&t i crashed. but what's worse is buying the 1098 for the road because you're neck could hit a tree or something and that bike is not made for the road, so respect for whoever crashed and i hope he's allrite

[Mavster101]

i meant i would like to be able to buy that bike and have the r1...

[yeahlikewhatever]

Maybe you're right, it's not as easy to crash an R1, since the brakes aren't as good.

[clipmaster101]

...mah..pinzata troppo lunga...o gomme finite.....o boh..strana caduta comunque! Poila moto è rimasta accesa coricata...è la cosa non è bella per il motore!

[yeahlikewhatever]

uh, yeah, right, exactly what I was thinking!

[VagabundoR6]

Ammm! Es cierto, yo lo se! (j/k)

[CanyonCarver70]

That was not a rear-end slip, He folded the front end, brake locked the front wheel. He crashed when he tried to turn, with a front wheel that isn't moving...the front immediately folds in....amateur..What a waste of $20K

[2k3r11s]

Waste of $20k? You think that crash was a complete bike write-off? Amateur.

[driscollcatholic]

what the hell if that waz my bike i woulda killed a mofo

[londonbikers]

Wow, he had hardly any lean going on, and had no warning! I guess he was at 100% braking at the time, i.e. not progressing off the brakes?

[5thhorsman]

I couldn't bring myself to push that hard on a new duc.

but then agin I say that after wrecking a 900ss and an 851 way back when so I guess you have to bin a few before you want to keep them in one piece.

[omgimonfrie19]

I've seen a longer version of this and I don't think this guy is at all a Amateur. And yes on the twist of the wrist thing.

[yeahlikewhatever]

Amateur, meaning not in a pejorative way, but rather a non-professional.

Absolutely yes to Twist of the Wrist -- great for street skills, too!

[yeahlikewhatever]

Ouch! At the track, or nailed by some cager?

[aarengie61]

I have a plate and a few screws and broke my scappulla,3 weeks into my 999,twist of the wrist 1 and 2 should be handed out when you buy 1000ccs..lol

[yeahlikewhatever]

More leaning.... exactly.

Lowsides are expensive but not nearly as much as the average highside.

Define "coregenic"??

[vietsomot]

more leaning = less braking = keeping it up on 2 wheels, more leaning = more braking = see video above

and the tires could have been not up to temperature. i'm guilty of doing the same at cali speedway turn 8 chasing m. dorian on the coregenic r6. hope he didn't get hurt, live to ride another day! ducs can be fixed, replaced, or sold on ebay!

[waz675]

Dude looked like the back wheel just came out from under him for no obvious reason. Bikes CAN goof up without GOOFY rider input at time :)

[trenticle]

Sh*t Happens. I will have that bike. I will take it to the track. I will try not to wreck. But, once you've been past the limit then you know where it is. Hope they make frame sliders for this thing.

[yeahlikewhatever]

Please be sure to mount a video camera.

[MIKETHRILLZ]

poor duc

[yeahlikewhatever]

No, not locked up -- he loaded up the front end with brakes, track turned a little bumpy, then tried to turn while still hard on the brakes. Not enough available traction, front end washed out.

[hieule408]

wow, i agree..'' too fast could not brake to slow enough. and turning and braking that hard is no no.. wow that's wat happen when one show off..

[yeahlikewhatever]

Not showing off, just trying to improve his lap times!

[lcorey]

what happened did you lack up the front wheel?

-that sucks thats an expensive bike....it wasn't the S-Model was it?