What Did Aristotle Get Wrong?- QI - BBC comedy panel show

[aaleric]

maybe snot is brain matter after all

[Jcolinsol]

"The Western World has been brainwashed by Aristotle for the last 2,500 years. The unconscious, not quite articulate, belief of most Occidentals is that there is one map which adequately represents reality. By sheer good luck, every Occidental thinks he or she has the map that fits."

-R. A. Wilson

[kingpharaohtsar]

@Jcolinsol reality doz not exist if it did then freedom truth good an evil wud exist all of these thing are lies witch allso dont exist life is what u make of it

[dibaterman]

For some reason the ending seemed overly rude and somewhat uncalled for.

[gruff5]

@dibaterman overly rude, uncalled for and funny! part of Fry's genius

[TheAtheologian]

Aristotle actually got most things wrong. It's weird how he got some things so immensely right, and others immensely wrong.

[qlight]

aristotle created the salt and vinegar chips. you can't get fat by eating them.

[RaincloudPlay]

@qlight Actually the last part is true. You can't get fat by eating anything in particular, just as long as you eat too much of it.

[mrhenk007]

one more video!

[kramor3k]

SO...............search for Dave Gorman and this comes near the top. Right? It even has him as the thumbnail. Right? Then my is it a clip where he doens't say a word?? Bloody Youtube.

[urbq]

Never heard of this Dave Gorman.. That says enough about his career or comedical wit!

[deafened]

@urbq believe it or not, hes very funny and pretty successful.

[Charlienmeg]

@urbq Love it - YOU haven't heard of Dave Gorman so that's that, what career? Egotistical much?

[Idlevice]

Anyone talking about Dave not laughing hasn't understood how editing works.

[wormyrug]

its also from aristotle that the belief there are only 4 elements came about,

he also believed that before being born, a foetus had three stages of developement:

1. the vegetative state where it had a vegetative soul,

2. the animal state where it had an animal soul and

3. the human state where it had a human soul.

still brilliant though, even if he only created the lyceum because he wasn't allowed to succeed plato as headmaster of the academy.

[Truthiness231]

I think we can kinda let this one slide, seeing as how the front 2 legs work very much like arms. I could see the confusion.

[TheOriginalCBK]

Dave Gorman is a legend. Simple as.

[pyderz]

sbtv advert is the first advert ive ever watched whole way through on this

[TheLordSod]

Why didn't they mention that Aristotle also thought that maggots came into existence via rotting flesh?

[Sindre1]

I used to think that about snot aswell :P

[Xyalon]

Thumbs up for Fatuous Bint who presents morning television. Fry, you utter legend; bravo!

[konstantinosmei]

aristotel also got newton's second law of motion Wrong

[seitenshow]

Fuck you Dave Gorman. You fuck.

[TVFILMBUFF]

Fern makes a cunny noise like

[oily8mutt]

@TVFILMBUFF

I bet she does!

[Selinor578]

I think Fry got a laugh when he said "oh, fern is a person?", then he suddenly turns on panellists with a vitriolic outburst against britton. I wonder why. Maybe he just did it to get another laugh, but it did seem harsh.

[thebonster1]

@GothicWiccan13 yes

[ellyari]

my second comment was about the end mainly? and I still made my point of cclarke being biased? I really don't know what moronic act i should be apologising for, except maybe listening to you.

[limabeannumber4]

harsh on Fearne.

[toomywins]

@limabeannumber4 fern britton, not fearne cotton.

[ellyari]

@bunji2k6 there's two times in the video that dave gorman looks away from stephen after stephen makes a joke. in one of them he goes to look at the fly, whilst in the second one, rather than a look of disgust he just awkwardly looks down after not finding the quite average joke not funny. He is not at any point in that second time looking away because the video cuts off when he looks down and he really doesn't look disgusted, bored and awkward do come to mind though.

[ellyari]

@cclarke I have no idea who dave gorman is but even the biggest fool that isn't completely biased would realise that he was looking back at the picture of the fly behind him to count the legs for himself. How could you possibly get him being disgusted from that since turning around is very rarely a characteristic sign of disgust.

[Bunji2k6]

@ellyari What the hell are you talking about? He looked away and down. There wasn't any more time in the clip to show that he turned back to count the legs on the fly, and he did it once already. Or did you write that comment before you saw the whole clip? I'd wager a guess that you did.

[somethingmemorable1]

@ellyari No you mong, not 0:37 he's talking about the very end of the video 1:47

Now apologise for your ignorance.

[LeBlondebean]

Dr. Davies ^_^

[LeBlondebean]

Dr. Davis ^_^

[muzzblack]

he was wrong about sophism as well

[frostytheaussie]

oh, harsh harsh. what did fatuous bints ever do to hurt Stephn Fry!

[JamesJaceable]

@frostytheaussie Fatuous women probably did lots of thing's to annoy him, Why he called a person he has never met Fatuous though is beyond me.

[zenzombie72]

@JamesJaceable  Irony.

[Krshwunk]

This is retarded.

[dumbnetworks]

@Krshwunk agreed

[ImperialAffliction]

he probably didn't laugh because it wasn't funny, but thats just my theory.

[mattknow]

Aristotle + Flies > Fatuos Bint Who Hosts Tele

Gotta love Stephen Fry.

[uhlansnathe]

Meow, someone got out the wrong side of the bipolar bed! Yeah, yeah Stephen, very funny.

[corvus13]

Aristotle also said that women have fewer teeth than men, but never bothered to count them.

[TheRugbyidiot]

is that a sculpture of caesar augustus in the background? it doesnt look like and pic of aristotle i've seen

[Mathiastro]

Check out Gorman refusing to laugh in case he ever gets interviewed by Fern.

[jerry303]

That Dave Gorman is Hilarious

[solorak]

Leviticus 11:23 - But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

[bradfordbulls4lyf]

the black hand did assassinate arch duke franz ferdiand but there were many other events which caused WW1 (eg.Morrocan Crisis)

[whattheholf91]

Any mention of any war in a video, no matter briefly, and suddenly everyone is a historian.

Never change youtube, never change.

[comanchio1976]

@whattheholf91 It's not just that. If someone scratches their nose in a vid, you can sometimes look down to see a six month long argument on nose scratching...it truly is a crazy little place.

[sally11616]

the assassination was more of an excuse to start the war than a first cause, it was waiting to happen... and the gangs name was "Young Bosnia", not "Black Hand".

[Iadiesman2I7]

@sally11616 Actually, i believe the assassination had been tasked by "Black Hand" and "Young Bosnia" had performed the assassination(terriably i might add). Something like that...

[SkrateBeastin]

I still think it was a fly.

[bradhadair12]

Alan's wrong about colds. Colds are actually caused during winter because people stay inside more, so it's easier for the virus to spread between people.

[SoulIsTheGoal]

@bradhadair12 They're caused by a virus. They're more easily spread between people who co-habit in a confined space. Slight semantic difference there.

[nakedmambo]

Not that Stephen has ever been fatuous himself. Pretending not to know 'Fern' is a person. Getting cheap laughs by playing the "too intellectual to notice common knowledge" card. So tiresome.

[SaintInsanity02]

@nakedmambo it's a joke get over it

[nakedmambo]

@SaintInsanity02 That's the thing, jokes are funny. You may have come late to the party, but Fry was mint in the 80s in a Bit of Fry and Laurie, now he's a hypocritical coaster.

[DeusMalleus]

Aristotle got nothing wrong, I never heard the snot being brain matter thing, and I'd like to see a source, but he considered flies having 4 legs and 2 arms, since flies use their front two appendages to clean themselves and, in some cases, manipulate objects around them, to a very limited degree. While the rear 4 are used from locomotion on land.

[cclarke1804]

Notice how Dave Gorman looks away in disgust after Stephen's joke - has that guy ever had a sense of humour?

No. That's why he's a shite comedian.

[nakedmambo]

@cclarke1804 Or maybe it just wasn't funny?

Ah, that's it, it wasn't funny.

[cclarke1804]

@nakedmambo I enjoyed it, as did the audience, clearly. Many people found it funny. On the other hand, I don't think I've ever seen Dave Gorman smile in his entire career. It was a harmless joke, he needs to lighten the f-up.

[nakedmambo]

@cclarke1804 Then you enjoyed an unfunny comment. The audience is literally programmed to laugh any time Fry makes a comment, just to remind themselves that he's supposed to be funny. "Moist" is his usual laugh trap.

Gorman is allowed to find some things not funny. And maybe the camera just caught him expressing what everyone was really thinking.

[dragonfire981]

@nakedmambo Or he just can't stand someone that is funnier than him ^^?

[ocgeetar]

@nakedmambo Literally? Ah. Mr. Gorman is certainly allowed to find whatever he pleases to be not funny but I'm in agreeance with cclarke1804 - he needs to lighten the f-up.

[brook316]

@cclarke1804 I'm guessing more succesful than you or I though...

[DJSpinoza]

@cclarke1804 Dave Gorman looked away because he's well aware the only fatuous bint in the room is Stephen Fry, who believes his practice of regurgitating random trivia in a plummy accent makes him an intellectual. True intellectuals don't tend to be found hosting TV quiz shows.

[cclarke1804]

@DJSpinoza I suppose they're found posting angry responses to youtube comments, eh? You sound like the intellectual authority on that.

[DJSpinoza]

@cclarke1804 My comment is no more angry than Stephen Fry's fatuous bint comment, nor your bitter attack on Dave Gorman so don't please try such tactics with me. Neither do I consider myself an intellectual however if you wish to suggest that you're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

[natmanprime]

@cclarke1804 cos it reminds him of when his father used to turn on him in anger.

so he looks down

"be silent now children your fathers angry"

[findnpost]

@cclarke1804 or he has a personal views that the joke, despite from an amazing mind was dismissive. Stephen, has never been like that before. Also Gorman is a humourist, self confessed he's not going for laughs as such more about the funny side of his experinces finding his name sake.

[ComradeOblivious]

@cclarke1804 So wait, if I make a joke about fucking dead babies does that make you a shite comedian for being disgusted by it?

Logically, yes.

[buffynum1]

If QI were in the place of Literature, History, Economics, Physics, Chemistry, English and sometimes History, I would actually like to go to school and learn something :)

[buffynum1]

@buffynum1 wait, I used History twice. :P. Oh yeah, me and my attention span. :D

[SAGENIUS500]

Very interesting Arisotle page:

aristoteles-online net

[therushheads]

harsh, not that funny

[ohdoshutit1]

great programme. Who needs school.

[BobTheMunificent]

I do wonder, given that Aristotle (and all the other ancient philosophers) got just about everything wrong when they strayed outside the realms of mathematics, why people like Stephen Fry hold them in such high regard.

Surely people's reverence towards them set genuine scientific thought back by centuries? Indeed, the Cult of Authority that made people believe Aristotle's ideas just because he was Aristotle is the precise thing that the Scientific Method was eventually created to overthrow.

[moggydave]

@BobTheMunificent Well their philosophy still has a great deal of validity. Also, quite a few pre-socratic philosophers had theories that in their own way predated some proven aspects of modern science. Still one can appreciate the work of great thinkers without agreeing with them. An atheist might admire Thomas Aquinas, for instance. Appreciation and dogma are different, and besides, there are broad historical and philosophical reasons why Aristotle's science was accepted.

[trisnjok]

Dave Gorman is as funny as chlamydia.

[Mauser91]

He also believed that the brain cooled down the body and that thought was in the heart.

[silvacdsbr]

Almost all Aristotle ideas on biology, astronomy and physics were wrong.

[lizzie2522]

Alan Davies may be the most adorable human ever!

[GreenEyedSerb]

The assasisnation didn't CAUSE WW1,it was the EXCUSE to start it.

[SatoTM3]

@GreenEyedSerb sure. and the man landing ont he moon was a cover up for alien UFOS stealing nuclear weapons from hitler which is still alive, ocourse, right >.>?

[GreenEyedSerb]

@SatoTM3 You forgot the Jews.x)

Seriously though,do you think that the world war would start over an assasination?It was the competition of the great powers,a timid peace kept together by alliances and defensive contracts.It has been established in history that the CAUSE for WW1 was the afore mentioned tension,and that the EXCUSE was the afore mentioned assassination.

[surrendermonkeys]

@GreenEyedSerb But without the assassination of Franz Ferdinand there would not have been a war at that point which makes it a contributing factor to the outbreak of the war. An excuse can also be argued as a cause. It depends on how one views the argument/topic which is what makes history such an interesting topic :)

[GreenEyedSerb]

@surrendermonkeys There would have been a war,without a doubt.Possibly not in 1914,but there would have been one.All those guns would have been for naught.An excuse is a reason for a war that you proclaim in order to appear just and in the right.For instance,the American civil war.The widely accepted reason for the war was the liberation of the slaves in the South,while in fact,the war was fought to keep the USA a tightly knit federation with every threat of secession stamped out.

[surrendermonkeys]

@GreenEyedSerb I said there would not have been a war at that point without the assassination which thusly makes the assassination a contributing factor. The assassination was a trigger which makes it a reason for World War I and i would personally suggest that makes it a short term cause for war. However, the American Civil War can be argued as having many different causes ranging from westward expansion and slavery to, as you suggest, maintaining the Union. That is certainly the Northern view.

[GreenEyedSerb]

@surrendermonkeys It has been established by the international comunity that the cause for WW1 were the growing tensions between the Great Powers.Until this decision is rebutted,it has legality and as such,is considered valid and true.Same as with WW2,the basis was the economy.Hitler revitalised the national economy of Germany,but he didn't build cans and butter,but guns and shells...and like everything,you need to use these thing or its just money thrown to the wind.

[surrendermonkeys]

@GreenEyedSerb Well who am i to debate with the 'international community'. History is about debating, without debate the subject is null and void. I am not denying that the tensions between the powers was great and that there would propbably have been a war. However, for the war to have occurred in 1914, the assassination of Franz Ferdinand was essential. This makes it a factor for the outbreak of the war. Claiming inevitability does not remove it from the list of events causing the war.

[GreenEyedSerb]

@surrendermonkeys You are,quite obviously,the person who seek the unconditional surrender of the monkey species.:)

While it may have been a manifested cause,it was certainly not the latent one and the one that counted.I remain steadfast that it was not the real reason for the war.Remember how many dreadnoughts the Great Powers made in the 1900'?Like with every investment,you seek to take the other guy out of the game,and battleships do it through their guns.

[derpeederpderp]

@GreenEyedSerb Because the world was full of armies that were getting the war equivalent of blue balls

[GreenEyedSerb]

@derpeederpderp Quite so,old chap.

[tetranoob]

@derpeederpderp lol well said 

[WhiteTiger225]

@GreenEyedSerb So.... the cause?

[247custard]

@GreenEyedSerb Sorry, but that is a pretty dumb thing to say. What is your idea of causation? What is your definition of WW1. The assassination certainly played an important part in the passage of causation and so while it may be banal to say that it was the cause, it is certainly not incorrect.

[codefusions]

@247custard He's claiming that it was self inflicted , just like perl harbor , 9/11 etc. Hence used as an excuse to start a war to make money.

It's silly to state that something you did willingly CAUSED you to do something else. Since the word CAUSE implies coercion.

[lms19911]

@codefusions That is what happens when you use a programming language lacking formal structure.

[GuruJudge21]

@GreenEyedSerb no, historian would say that is CAUSED it, the assassination triggered the war

[alundra828]

@GreenEyedSerb If it was the excuse to start it, then that by definitions means it was the cause lol

[z3r0t0l3r4ns]

@alundra828

Not in any way. Let's look at a different scenario. There is a really cute boy/girl from your school who works at your local library on the weekends. You want to go see him/her but your parents won't let you use their car. So you tell them about the research paper on WWI that you have due in 2 days, neglecting to tell them that you've already done all the research. So they let you go.

The research paper is clearly your EXCUSE for going to the library, but it did not CAUSE the trip.

[z3r0t0l3r4ns]

This.

So few people follow history closely enough to make that distinction. Well done.

[IanEColeman]

@GreenEyedSerb. It wasn't an excuse. The cause was the alliance system, the assassination was the trigger, but not an excuse.

[andyscoot43]

@IanEColeman Exactly, it basically kicked off a chain of events which led to war starting.

[darthkarr]

@GreenEyedSerb yup, but most people now adays associate it with being the main cause..cos althouh the tensions building up through the nationalism, imperialism and so on, the archdukes assasination was what actually triggered it...if franz joseph had died and ferdaniand came to the throne, the war mightve being oprevented, due to his idera of grantying greater autonomy to the austrohungarian states

[BarrieLFCisAMAZING]

@GreenEyedSerb Still caused it though

[GreenEyedSerb]

@BarrieLFCisAMAZING My esteemed coleague,since I see you are also a lawyer in the making,I am sure you know that the cause and the excuse for commiting a deed are not the same thing.

[BarrieLFCisAMAZING]

@GreenEyedSerb I agree that this was just an excuse, but the assassination was the cause as it provided the excuse.

[IcEye89]

And an extra point for being so clever.

[TheSim666]

The look on Dave Gorman's face... he shat himself!

[holonat]

LOL

[alewisgb]

steven fry is the Jeremy Clarkson everyone loves :)

[Willwillwritehiswill]

@alewisgb In other words, he's nothing like Jeremy Clarkson.

[00bean00]

You could write volumes about what Aristotle got wrong. >.<

[funnylozr]

jayndebb must be a fan of Fern. XD

[1992jamo]

That really was harsh what he said about Fern.

[jayndebb]

THIS SHYT IZ FUKING GAY

[ViceroyNuteGunray]

@ShowYourWorking Quine is the Doric word for girl? Now, that is really quite interesting; you see in Swedish, woman is "kvinna" (you may not see the similarities there, but it used to be spelled qvinna and/or quinna). So the Doric dialect is probably rather influenced by the Old Norse languages...

[Prelude2ADream]

Fern? Fern is a person?

[VISVALDAS123]

/watch?v=7Vlew4Qd7bY hahahha ;D look at this :D

[Morahg]

This looks like an awesome show. I love the facetious answers.

[foxyfaefife]

Stephen Fry clearly doesn't like that gimp who gave the first answer.

[trevster2905]

Fatuous bint.

[fro7k]

I don't like Fern Britton or watch anything with her but that was needlessly nasty.

[debrucey]

@fro7k I'm sure he was only joking. Like when he called Alan Davies a pig-eyed sack of shit.

[trinigeleon]

@theAlexBlondie - he actually says 'bint' not 'bit'. a bint is slang for a woman.

[BaneLupine]

@trinigeleon It is actually a rather disgusting term for a used tampon.

[trinigeleon]

@BaneLupine really? ive never heard that.

i lived in scotland for 20 years and heard the term often. 'loon' and 'bint' = 'boy' and 'girl' in and around aberdeen.

doric is the local dialect and while not commonly spoken, some words, phrases and sentence forms are still used regularly by many aberdonians. e.g. "foos yer doos?" or "fit like?" = "how are you?"

im curious... where is bint used in the way you mentioned?

[BaneLupine]

@trinigeleon I am english and lived in england all my life and live in what you would class as lower classes or slums or council housing.

It is a term used by low classes in my area which is the west midlands sandwell and dudley region.

[trinigeleon]

@BaneLupine you learn something new everyday. thanks.

mental note: dont ever say, "mah bint's run aff wi anither man" in or around dudley. lol

[BaneLupine]

@trinigeleon Yes I learnt that "loon" means boy. You are welcome.

Yes You would get lots of weird stares :)

[el6caballo6oscuro6]

@trinigeleon i always heard 'loon' as just like, short for 'lunatic' lol

[liuf92]

LOL Doctor Davis. XD

[Fl0wersInTheWind0w]

the fern joke, sheer class

[GusF]

"Oh, it's a person?"

[Mirime93]

About the common cold thing, it's also because that when you're cold, your immune system is less effective, making you more susceptible to germs/bacteria/viruses etc.

[TheFartoholic]

How was this video added in 2003?

[goldengoat55555]

great stuff

[AuroraVinchix]

Well Stephen, this is my favorite show and I too, for all my oddity, are more interested in listening to you talking about what Aristotle thought about flies than some fatuous bint who presents morning television. =)

[loumberjack1982]

what this video added in 2003?

[LowOnCreativityy]

FATUOUS BINT HAHAHA!!!!!!

[ashbash986]

@LowOnCreativityy LOVEE HIMM

[iluvfatbuds]

he said bint!!

[TheAlexBlondiie]

This is my show, and in my oddity, I'm more interested in flies than some fatuos bit who presents morning telesion :L:L XD

Only he could get away with that.

[TheAmvProject]

well, him and jeremy clarkson.

[TheAlexBlondiie]

@TheAmvProject Oh yeah, him too XD

[StChrissieboy]

@TheAlexBlondiie He might even have gotten away with calling her a 'fatuous bint'.

[SatoTM3]

@TheAlexBlondiie bint

[shiril01]

@TheAlexBlondiie it's "fatuous bint", fyi.

[jameshanley40]

@TheAlexBlondiie

bint

[ickleoli]

@TheAlexBlondiie He doesn't say Bit. He calls her a bint. Urban dictionary defines the term 'Bint' as - English slang for a whore or bitch. Similar to a tart. Fairly descriptive term for Fearne i think.

[metalheart666532]

@ickleoli in Arabic or a western Asian language like Hindi or Tamil, bint actually refers to ones daughter

[ickleoli]

@metalheart666532 Eeeep, that's not a great cross translation.

[rlinfinity]

@metalheart666532 Tamil and Hindi are South Asian. :/

[JealY666]

@TheAlexBlondiie Bint*

[ilovehotpants]

@JealY666 i was just gonna say.........

[pcoldham]

@TheAlexBlondiie Yes! Suck on that, popular culture.

[ScarletSinn]

@TheAlexBlondiie ooooh Sir got testy. Love Stephen and always want to see him cheerful. But dang, things get interesting when he gets annoyed.!

[ujahooda]

@TheAlexBlondiie only you could quote him so badly

[kiemul136]

@TheAlexBlondiie It's actually spelt: "fatuous".

[kiemul136]

@TheAlexBlondiie It's actually spelt: "television"

[RokiaNY]

@kiemul136 Spelt is actually a species of wheat. (Yes, yes, I know. You're being all British.) But as long as you're being picky, he said bint, not bit.

[kiemul136]

@RokiaNY I noticed that; just couldn't be bothered correcting him, again.