"The Afghan Government is not worth fighting for"

[Babrai]

American will never give their lives for Afghansbut the only thing they do is their own business,,they have already started the business,,I do not support Taliban BUT in Taliban time drugs were almost completely eliminated from the country but look it now,,,From Afghanistan they took drugs and other Minerals and from Iraq they took Oil and everyone knows that,,,But they got power so nobody can do anything.

[Babrai]

In my opinion, Afghan war was between Russia and America but they used Afghan people,,America was supporting Mujahideen till the fall of Dr Najeeb communist regime and then America said we dont recognise Mujahideen as a legitimate government of Afghanistan,,they supported Taliban through pakistan government to disarmed Mujahideen so they can come easily to Afghanistan and we see that they blow the twin tower themselves and then they came to Afghanistan.

[111RobinHood]

"They (the American soldiers) are dying to give the Afghanistan the opportunity to choose their own destiny" the secretary for defence says! What lies! The American government doesn't give a damn about the Afghans let alone its own people in America where civil rights are being destroyed. The U.S. invaded Afghanistan for having an oil pipeline there and for geo political interests. The U.S illegally invaded Iraq and Afghanistan! Yes! Americans soldiers have died. And MANY CIVILIANS HAVE DIED!

[mark12345678965]

shukriya barakzai is the one of the educated women in afghanistan and spent its child hood in pakistan.

[Metsada007]

The Afghan government is not worth fighting for because they are a western puppet.

[siralfredt]

@Metsada007

and a muslim puppet state, too...

[discreethp]

democracy is invented by the zionist and its allies. It allows immoral, irreligious people to govern the country by the means of election(which of course gives right to everyone to vote, even for the conspirators themselves, if not by the means of changing the votes). The only way to have a peaceful world is to support Khilafah Islamiyyah.

[leonski35]

People keep calling it a war but we really know it's an invasion don't we ?  i personally can't abide politics and government and i lump the democrat's and republican's together in the same crooked mess, there are 2 types of people in this world, the first wan't to be left alone and the second want to control the first, shove your dirty little politic's and social engineering !

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

I note the US gov. rep did not respond specifically to the number of people killed by US drones as it is not an officially recognised US policy, albeit US practice.

[unorthodoxcs1]

it bleeped out at 19 him saying guilty regarding the bush administration...........this presidant of afganastan could be an american pawn. what if the fraud of the votes was caused by america? excause the spelling

[DomremySurMeuse]

I've watched a few of these debates now, and they all seem to be ignoring the herd of elephants in the room, being framed in purely western terms. The U.S. Fed Govmnt has now overturned two Afghan goverments both of which fought drugs, using the country as a cold war battleground, and allying itself with drug lords. Even now Afhganistan is used to attack Iran, as young people in Iran, even Russia fall prey to Opium. And they are shocked, Shocked at the corruption? The US owes them, does it not?

[Naqib777]

@DomremySurMeuse yes I agree, but do you really think the US out of all countries will do something right??

[BMWizardofOz]

I somehow doubt the statistics mentioned around 16:00

because if you get someone to ask people if they have a favorable view of the Thaliban the goverment or NATO forces, it´s obvious that the results will be skewed by people answering what they think is expected or deny answering the survey. I surely would do so fearing to be detained as a possible terrorist, when I would be a pro Thaliban Afghan citizen and against the Karzai goverment and foreign forces.

[poodleinsky]

karzai is a puppet he worked for a petrol company in the states i will tell u know as a muslim afghan afghanistan will never be ruled by foreign countrys with foreign law just look at the countrys history

their is a word that afghans say when fighting forein troops you have the guns we have the time

[Naqib777]

@poodleinsky ameen, the Taliban were much better than these criminals.

[shurednichso]

Better? They are opressive fundamentalists.

That the other side is full of criminal opportunists doesnt make the Taliban any better. Dont talk yourself in that idiocy.

[amet1980]

@poodleinsky its alredy ruled by foreingers.there is no afghanistani nationality, usa should do the right thing and create 20 confederal states along national lines.

uzbeks will never be pashtun,tajik will never become pashtun , hazara will ... and so for.

the only way to prevent a war every 15 years is division across natioal lines.

[poodleinsky]

@amet1980 o

holding one city kabul is not the hole country and brother i dont care if your pashtun tajik or hazara we are all muslims and ALLAH swt says we are all brothers and sisters sallam brother

[justpostit]

I love the moderator.. he is great.. really tough on all of them.. why aren't they like this in australia!

[kaker69]

51% to me is not good. schools in my country allow you to pass with 51%. i wouldn't want my life decided or having to be relyed on by someone who got a 50/50 attitude. people who want a medal when they guess right and a pardon when they guess wrong. 50/50 is all there really is being night and day. but with that attitude we are all still under that natural control.

a passing grade should be 75% or more. wheather it's a school test or electeral process. 51% is still only 2 points from the other

[Northern5tar]

There are many ways to get a undesired result, there is only one way to get the right outcome. That is to do it right. You cannot build a stable society based upon something like the Karzai government. A dictatorship or an oligarchy maybe. So no, I don't believe in supporting Karzai. I don't believe in nation building period. The Afghans have to do it themselves with no outside interests messing things up. Eventhough thats a very long process, its the only way.

[MrMP81]

18:15

DING!

[sharanprasanth]

SENIOR US DEFENSE ADVISER SAYS

we are not like  the SOVIETS ,BRITISH 33.28

[ack44]

Uh, isn't this from Al Jazeera?

[mymojorisin]

LOL they said that elections are not important in a Democracy. What a bunch of morons. Democracy is rule by the people. If you do not have elections how can the people rule? Elections are the foundation of Democracy.

[Xenu]

They have elections in Cuba. Doesn't say much about their level of democracy.

[mymojorisin]

@Xenu

We have elections hear in the USA. Doesn't say much about our democracy (or lack of democracy) either.

[Xenu]

That's my point.

[mymojorisin]

@Xenu

What is your point? That countries can have elections and not have democracy? Yes we see that all around us. But in every case the elections are unfair. Either they exclude anyone not approved by the ruling elite or they outright stuff the ballot box with fake ballots just like in this video.

The only way you can have a true democracy is with free and fair elections. If they have cheated to get into power it is not a democracy. A democracy is rule by the people not the elite

[chiefcheese08]

90% of world heroin production comes from Afghanistan and the U.S. is the largest consumer of illegal drugs on the planet. We also have about 132,000 U.S. and ISAF forces there. Why does no one raise the issue of why we sided with drug lords (northern alliance) to defeat the Taliban and installed Karzai, whos brother is a drug lord. The opium crop was wiped out before 9/11 and now look at it. Money is power and the easiest way to make money in Afghanistan is opium.

[JoshAndBooze]

@chiefcheese08 Are you serious? Cause that sounds to me as if the US government had interests in establishing a stabil opium supply? You should also be aware that NATO spent millions of dollars destroying opium fields and that Taliban forces are widely financed by opium trafficking. Surely Karsai is not the innocence itself, but I would be careful accusing the US of such...

[chiefcheese08]

@JoshAndBooze Eradication efforts to the supply of drugs do not eliminate demand, which is why the war on drugs continues to fail. Despite its stated mission and surface appearances, its purpose more or less is not to actually eliminate drug use and addiction, but to perpetuate a profitable set of circumstances. We could not fight an entire region where the opium poppy employs a class of people, we had to buy some of them. If this is wild conspiracy my words should be of no threat to anyone.

[111RobinHood]

@JoshAndBooze You fool! The US government through the CIA is guilty of drug smuggling and making money from drugs: must you be so naive? Look up this site: "WantTo Know.info". The US government is fascist! Why? Because it is deliberatley destroying the constitution, and because it is connected very closely to supra national corporations. A merger of government with corporations is fascism! Know this: The CIA is no different from the nazi SS and no exageration. Wake up!

[Gramra]

@chiefcheese08 Well, I can tell you that U.S troops and Russian anti-drug agents blew up some drug factories recently.

Not that it makes a difference in the grand scheme of things, but...yeah

[log140]

most important thing.. Kasai signed the pipeline deal!!!

[robertinrinrin]

Afghanistans fucked up. They need to get rid of that fat bitch.

[elmachucho]

Very good chanel! I like this Ist beter than CNN jejejeje Its moore seriously jejejeje. MUY BUENO !

[dreadyloxx]

@flyhead2: I don't agree, but I love that word.. Sophistry: the use of fallacious arguments, esp. with the intention of deceiving. • a fallacious argument.

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[Ramohog]

Dreadman:] Indeed a great word. Do you recognize it from your own belief system? You are deep into sophism, and you don't even recognize it. That's called mind control through philosophy and vain deceit, being deceived and deceiving others as well, and not even aware of it. I do hope you wake up from this spiritual darkness and this prophecized strong delusion for those who don't love the truth. Ever learning and never able to come to the full knowledge of the truth, lacking understanding.

[MrMoodang]

Kazai's brother runs the opium trade in Afghanistan.

[kjones2345]

No...The Skull & Bones do

[MrMoodang]

...as their "cut-out" agent.

[flyhead2]

I don't know which of the panelists to despise most. I have never heard such brazen and condensed sophistry before. This was bad theatre.

[ubuibiok]

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