The real Yama Arashi

[kuronakatu]

あの釣り手でよく投げれるね　凄い

俺がやっていたのは、単なる片襟の払い腰だったんだな＞＜；



[DonMadrusso]

thanks to SHIRO SAIGO i think - he created yama arashi

[jockstrappers]

BEAUTIFUL!

[aspenrebel]

@bluedynamitemetranom So it would be nice if you could stay off here, and stop your self promotion. I suspect that you are an MMA enthusiast as well. Tori, in this video, did not execute it as a typical hip throw as you claim. There is no hip in it. It is a hand technique. This is not Yama Otoshi. This is not Australian Judo, This is not British "Syllabus" Judo. This is Kodokan Judo, how Yama Arashi is suppose to be done. This is not being executed in a tournament where it'd look diff.

[aspenrebel]

@bluedynamitemetranom I'm really not sure what you are babbling about, nor is anyone else. But you say you are an Aussie, which explains it. You Aussie's and your British Judo counterparts tend to "reinvent the wheel". You like to remake Kodokan (Kano's) Judo in your own image. Give new and diff names to throws, change things and claim this is how it is suppose to be done. When it is not, it is not original Kano/Kodokan Judo. The throw in this video IS Yama Arashi, it is NOT a hip throw.

[JoachimderZweite]

@aspenrebel When I was a boy in Japan the names of throws at the Kodokan were always mixed up. Judoka and sensei would ofteh call the same throws by different names. There were of course some sure bets that were never confused - uchimata, tomoenage, katagruma, ipponseoi. The names of throws are simply a starting point if you know what the names mean. If not - why not just spend the time perfecting your throws with the endless repetitions that are required to really master a throw.

[aspenrebel]

@ezpariah Perhaps what you claim Saigo did in a tourney was Yama Otoshi and not Yama Arashi. Yama Otoshi would not utilize a leg sweep. The throw in this video cannot be "closer to Harai Goshi". Harai Goshi is a Koshiwaza, Yama Arashi is a Tewaza. There is no hip involved in the throw in this video. It is a hand technique.

[aspenrebel]

@ezpariah So I don't know what you are talking about, nor do you, obviously. Nor do I know what "throw" you are doing. But what is shown in this video IS Yama Arashi, done correctly. Anything else is either a variation on this, not Yama, or a Variation on another throw. Do not try to change the Kodokan's "principles" and classifications, cuz you cannot. You are incorrect. Why don't u learn the truth instead of adulterated versions in tourneys that people claim is Yama?

[aspenrebel]

@ezpariah Once again ignorance and arrogance prevails. This is straight from the horse's mouth, The Kodokan (Judo HQ in Tokyo, Japan)......."15. Yama-Arashi (hand technique) Yamaarashi: Tori uses both hands to grip Uke's right (or left) collar and right (or left) sleeve to push up Uke's body off balance to right (or left) front forward. Then, sweep up Uke's right (or left) leg to throw down or apply techniques similar to this technique." Notice it says "Then, sweep up.... leg".

[aspenrebel]

@PLATOwithaSHOTGUN Ouch!! Can you imagine doing it as an Otoshi? Yikes!!! Yama Otoshi.... wow!!.. how to make friends and influence people. That would definitely hurt.

[aspenrebel]

@mmilos11 Ahhhhhh... NO... not exactly. Yama Arashi is NOT Tsurikomi Goshi with a leg (sweep) !!! It is Yama Arashi - PERIOD!! It is a Tewaza, hand technique. T-Goshi is a Koshiwaza, a hip technique. The "principles" are competely different. Please have an understanding of what you are talking about before you speak. Simply cuz it has 1 or 2 "similar" aspects, that does not make it a T-Goshi. The 2 throws are completely different.

[aspenrebel]

@greenbay357 No it is no joke. That is why it is called Yama Arashi. Yama meaning Mountain, and Arashi can be loosely translated to mean Storm or Tempest. Done correctly, it is a very powerful throw, a very nice throw.

[aspenrebel]

@vito445 I would tend to think that IF one throw would hold "mystery" for you and keep you motivated to study Judo until you could learn that throw, then Yama Arashi would probably be it. IF learnt correctly that is. Remember to learn the underlining "principle" of the throw. It is NOT harai goshi or tai otoshi or seoi nage or anything else. It IS Yama Arashi..... PERIOD!!

Gambatte!! ---- Go For It!!!

[aspenrebel]

@stonedstew That says it all... there you go... thank you.

[aspenrebel]

@Grove2000 What is "more of an ashiwaza than a koshiwaza"? Yama Arashi? Yama is a "principle" one of the 67 of The Kodokan. It is classified as a Tewaza. Period. You cannot change that, so don't try. It is NOT an ashiwaza. What would make you think it is an ashiwaza? It is a hand technique with your hikite and tsurite working together. Please don't try to "re-classify" the Kodokan.... you can't!!

[aspenrebel]

@TheMule71 No, not a "personal difference", just NOT Yama Arashi. Remember Yama Arashi is a "principle". It is not a Seoi Nage nor a Tai Otoshi nor a Harai Goshi. If someone says they are doing a Yama Arashi, and it looks like a Tai Otoshi Variation - then it is!! It's not Yama Arashi. There is a "lifting" component, with your hips down low. "similar" to the lifting in Tsurikomi Goshi. But the lift and lowering of your hips, in Yama, is not as extreme as in T-Goshi. This, here, is Yama A

[aspenrebel]

@TheMule71 If you look at the 9 sec video of Yama Arashi by galmosh, which should be Listed on the Right here, what you see this guy doing is NOT Yama Arashi. It would better by classified as Ashi Guruma or O-Guruma variation. This guy tends to do things his own way, in his videos of throws. I'm thinking he is from British Judo, but I'm not sure. The video here is The Real Yama Arashi, as it should be done. Go to kodokan.org, and read the description of the throw.

[Nomindnotrouble]

Simply magnificent! Looked deceptively like Harai from the side, but the over the shoulder rotation is always found in a great yama arashi. Magnificently done!

[TheMule71]

Well, I'm no expert at all, it seems to me that Yama Arashi should be a lighter throw with little body contact - ala Tai Otoshi - while this one is a stronger variant, closer to a Seoi Nage. Look at 0:38, you can see Tori's hip is almost entirely below Uke's center.

Compare to v=46veLgINFjU#t=262 , focus on the body contact: there's only a minor contact (4:31). Overall it has a more "lighter" feeling to me. More of a hand throw, less hip/shoulder. Can be just a personal style difference, tho.

[gabymarlon]

Yama Arashi...  "Tempestad en la montaña"... Impecable...

[MrHenka83]

This is a very good Yama Arashi. My sensei is the second gen Danzan ryu... I have seen many different henka.... I see yama arashi as a dislocate in the closing of the gap...then relocate at the release.. when uke hits the ground. Position of the right knee under the shoulder blade as ukes arm is extended then adjusted. To heal or to Kill. If one has not been given Shinyo no maki one can't understand Yama Arashi.

[kumastomps]

@MrHenka83 Yama Arashi is on the Nage board in Danzan Ryu. My teacher is second generation from Okazaki. I'm a nidan and have seen it on Nage on every board i have seen for the last 12 years of Danzan Ryu training.

[kumastomps]

@kumastomps In fact. If you watch the 1943 videos which are from the original dojo in Hawaii, they demonstrate the technique and its not like it is above. I'm pretty sure that Wally Jay is the tori for most of those techniques.

[kukusasuke76]

bello bello! era il "dessert " dell'allenamento di stasera!... l'anttipasto era l'harai goshi.. ;-P bono, pure quello!

[kukusasuke76]

ah bello, questo e' stato il piatto forte dell'allenamento stasera......

[stonedstew]

finally a video of it done correctly, This is NOT harai goshi! or any other throw, it is what it is...thank you!

[Arcanedx]

FINALLY! One video who shows the real Yama Arashi. All others say "Wow I got a video where I throw Yama Arashi. Cuz its got a cool name and I'll say I threw this cool throw!" this one not. It shows the real thing!

[vito445]

I would frequently gaze at a poster of Judo throws before the class started, and one particular move caught my eye Yama Arashi (Mountain Storm) the name so graceful yet so devastating caught my eye, the picture of the throw affected me the same way. I asked sensei if we can learn Yama Arashi one day, and he said you guys are going to end up hurting each other. I was a white belt then, and the desire to learn this throw keeps me motivated to become the best Judoka i can be.

[RacoonBurglar]

you sweep nothing in harai goshi but i see a sweeping action in this throw?

[PLATOwithaSHOTGUN]

It is derived from the nage waza called yama-otoshi, Shiro Saigo turned it into Yama-Arashi. They say there is no Yama-Arashi before and after Shiro Saigo..Banzai to you all

[mmilos11]

tsurikomi goshi with a leg.

[UmDiaEuFicoBom]

Tried it today. Works great! I`m gonna work on it and add it to my game.

Thanks for the great video.

[SenseiBlackShadow]

How can you not like this throw?

[greenbay357]

good old yama rashi. My old master was an elderly man with white hair and a white beard. One day during class he says Rick your ukimi is good , step up. I stepped on the mat and he told the class this is yama rashi. He pulled me and the next thing I knew my feet were above my head and I hit the mat like a ton of bricks. I was out of breath and dizzy for 20 minutes. This throw is no joke, I mean it.

[junegoiste]

変形の跳ね腰じゃないの

[nzallanuto]

これは山嵐です

[Polipone74]

ma non dovrebbe essere una tecnica "morote"?

shouldn't it be a "morote" technique?

[nzallanuto]

No, la presa è in "eri", tant'è vero che il mio maestro (delle scuola di Masatomi Ikeda), diversamente da questo video, me la faceva eseguire col palmo al contrario, tipo "eri seoi nage".

[7lynx]

@nzallanuto ma che tu sappia, è una tecnica proibita nelle competizioni o no? c'è chi mi dice che rientra nelle tecniche proibite in competizione ( tipo kawazu gake, kani basami etc.) e chi invece dice che è solo inconsueta

[nzallanuto]

@7lynx Non fa parte delle tecniche proibite, anche se comporta una caduta abbastanza pericolosa... comunque è molto raro che qualcuno provi ad eseguirla in combattimento.

[Reapers92]

@Polipone74 more like ''eri''.... but from what my sensei told me, you can get a ''chidô'' for putting your hand/grabbing inside the kimono

[boris1010]

Yup this is the real thing according to the gokiu, mountain storm

[cumanagoto]

Bravo!

[ezpariah]

nope not yama arashi

[newaza2boddha]

@ezpariah y not?

[ezpariah]

sorry its closer to harai goshi

yama arashi does not have a leg sweep / reaping.

[newaza2boddha]

@ezpariah

actually this is closest to the standard yama arashi of many judo text book. (e.g. Kodokan Throwing Techniques by Daigo Toshiro)

The leg reap is different from harai goshi in this move if u pay close attention.

Anyway.... I haven''t seen the real deal by Saigo Shiro....so I have no say.

[ezpariah]

sorry dont mean to sound like a stickler to detail but i was implying it was closer to harai goshi, the leg placement is lower than the actual harai,

as far as the true yama arashi that saigo shiro utilized in the tourney it is a very distinctive,

[medicinachina]

En el video "Historia del Judo" que está en la red, se hace el comentario de quien fuera uno de los maestros más destacados del Judo Kodokan, Shido Saigo 6º dan. Según "Sanshiro Sugata" consideró imposible que este fuera superado en su aplicación de Yama-Arashi.

[medicinachina]

Excelente video, muy viejo, yo lo tengo, concuerdo con el comentario de que no es un lance para principiantes, ya que es muy complejo. También yo realizé mi propia búsqueda, y conseguí este mismo material, me asombró que no es pisado sino que hace una siega (similar al Harai-Goshi). Pero concuerda con la imagen de algunos textos antiguos. Neil Adams en su texto hace referencia a este lance y comenta que ahora tienden a llamarlo Seoi-Otoshi, pero este último pisa y toma diferente.

[NOTENGAMIEDO]

beautyful...

[Joaozinho2684]

I used this bolt 1 and the first time it worked I'm white band and dropped a blue band with this scam is very easy to get it

[jigoyawara]

nice ..something new for my judo skills

[Fangen88]

anyone's got a link to a video of the Aikijutsu version of Yama Arashi? Correct me if I'm wrong but the idea behind this technique was that it was so short uke couldnt perform ukemi and would land on his head.

[XuXnoX]

i couldn't find a vid of Aiki jutsu version but the idea is the same in Judo as well. Tori is supposed to pull uke straight down so that uke would land his head-first on. they didnt do that coz it would be too dangerous. ( uke nearly hit his head@0:20)

and i think this is the best yama arashi video in youtube ;)

[laokon]

you are right, the originel yama arashi was unbeakable, just don't forget that judo was designed to be educationnal and kano threw most dangerous technicks out or changed them.

[rasnus2]

Judo/jujutsu was the same in the early days - until it became more sporting.

[bluedynamitemetranom]

in yama arashi, uke shouldn't be thrown with the hurling motion demonstrated by these guys. uke should be sucked downwards to the mat by his shoulder (which is very dangerous).

[bluedynamitemetranom]

This is MOSTLY yama arashi, but somehow tori manages to screw it up by executing it as a typical hip throw.

The throw looked like yama arshi from the start, but everything went out the window on execution and it looked like 'any other hip throw' in the end.

taekwando, karate and jujitsu practitioners are the worst offenders for doing this with Judo throws. They think they're all the same, that they're geniuses for doing all throws one way!

6/10, back to the dojo for you, pal

[nzallanuto]

This is Kodokan Judo, pal...

[bluedynamitemetranom]

this is an interpretation of kodokan Judo. just because they are japanese, wear black belts and dont smile doesn't mean whatever they do is authentic.

[jeewilliker]

@nzallanuto and i bet if a japanese man on the street told you to stop walking and do push ups you'd do it.

[anjonesuk]

bluedynamitemetranom. This clip is taken from a Kodokan produced and approved video. You are in fact in correct it is not their Japanese nationality, dan grade or serious nature that entitles them to know what they are talking about and demonstrating. It is the fact that they were deemd worthy and knowledgable enough by Kodokan high dans that makes them qualified to demonstrate Yama Arashi.

[bluedynamitemetranom]

this is not a genuine example of yama arashi. but its not as though someone like you can be expected to understand what is really going on here.

i even have this tape, most of their throws measure in the 7-9, i'm giving this one a 6 of 10, and i've explained my reason without going overboard.

get over it

[anjonesuk]

bluedynamitemetranom

You make unsubstantiated claims to expertise, insult other posters and give no technical analysis of the demonstration.

Kindly stop giving thinly veiled insults to other posters and give a technical analysis of what is wrong with this yama arashi demonstration. Then we can debate properly.

If you don't and continue just to make spurious statments and provide no evidence everyone will think you're a troll and you wouldn't want that would you?

[saltyseaweed]

So you are better authority than the Kodokan on their own moves?

And I would like to see this taekwando practitioner doing judo throws that you are talking about . . .You can cross train, but when you are studying judo, you are a judoka.

[jonesayy]

@bluedynamitemetranom You do know judo was formed from jujitsu right ?

[jeewilliker]

@jonesayy you cant see it, most of the douche bags on here can't see it, if you were a 10th dan and you told me that was perfect i would know you were full of shit. you're not changing my beliefs. just keep arguing with the consensus and no body will catch onto the fact that you don't have the capacity for this.

idiot.

you guys are dipsticks

[lve4lvn2]

@jonesayy not the jujitsu you are thinking of. Judo was known as kano jujitsu till the japanese government changed it for widespread instruction in 1925. from the Tenjin Shin'yō-ryū instructional school

[edbiology]

@bluedynamitemetranom All of us want to question who the fuck you are to be so sure that this video is not a perfect demonstration of yama arashi. Simply do a demonstration yourself and post it as a video respond if you want to prove your point of true yama arashi.

[Grove2000]

@bluedynamitemetranom this is more of an ashi-waza than a koshi-waza..

[willemo]

now thats how to Yama Arashi! thanks very much for that, a true judoka at work there.

[Dieddogawa]

Thank you for posting the real Yama Arashi. Youtube is infested by all those fake versions, poor inventions by peoples who don't give the trouble to research the real judo and the real ju jitsu.

[nzallanuto]

You're welcome... I'm so disgusted by the people who don't rispect the martial arts and who pratice them.