"So they came to Jerusalem. Then Jesus went into the temple and began to drive out those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. And He would not allow anyone to carry wares through the temple." Mark 11:15~ THIS WAS THE ACT THAT GOT JESUS KILLED. He called the ball. He called the money changers out on the corrupt exchange rate & the way that the whole Temple Complex had become corrupt... SO THEY KILLED HIM !!!
I attack Christians in debates because I had to suffer from their verbal attacks on a daily basis when I went to Christian schools. Christians have no basis to judge others. They have done everything the worse dictators of the 20th century have done. Genocide--the Albigensian Crusade, rape---Roman Catholic priests, torture and spying--the Inquisition,Orwellian doublespeak--privilege, the death penalty, support for wars. Face it---Christianity is just a profit making venture.
I notice people who use the bible to criticize those who they categorize as "wealthy" are perfectly okay stealing and coveting that wealth when it serves them. I believe Christ had much to say about those sins as well.
Know this the journey you have begun has brought me to you all! I hope you are ready for the fight I have come to revieal to you. It seems you have been in practice a while! You are of no fear. I love it! Lets direct it in a way that makes VERY BIG WAVES! Such as Youtube can not contain! You are the 2012 Saul my friend and Saul in reality in the end was a BAD ASS! -Yakman
These scriptures you have rightly realized but misinturrpreted! Jesus was much like you rageing against the lies! Your on to something but... Lets dig deeper. There is something to fight! But its not religion. Its thoes who have selected that part of scripture they wanted to share and hidden the rest in order to gain power. See my channel as in the days to come I will pull the curtian off the illusion completely! Forgive spelling error Still practicing!
Jesus didn't love something that didn't exist at the time retards. He was a Commie, a pure hearted Commie wanting his people to be free. Go some where else Fascist ass holes
I wouldn't want to do something that would get me executed by the state for no good reason. That is what Jesus did. After he died nothing in the world changed. He just became a mascot for powerful warlords who did everything powerful warlords did before he lived and died. Jesus might have changed his mind up on the cross if he had the foreknowledge of the pointlessness of his sacrifice.
@perdondaris Serriously man, what the hell? Im dont know you from atom but why do you attack all Christians like that? Its just not right man, not right at all.
The next time that you ask yourself what would Jesus do, remember that the only time he acted violently was when he confronted the usurers(bankers)...
Some times I wonder if Jesus ever existed, and if he was more of a revolutionary who needed to be killed like John b4 him. Maybe? It is possible that Rome later adopted the stories and made some modifications to it. To make it seem like he was more of a pacifist and this would pacify the people so they could keep stealing from them. We all know the record of the Roman Catholic church.
Jesus was not in fact a humanist. He was a hypocrite who obviously knew that his "cure" for poverty (give away some of our belongings to the poor) was a crock of crap, since he says, "the poor ye will have always with ye." In fact, the one way that he could have helped the poor - by advocating for fairer wage and taxation laws - he shuns: "I come not to change the law." Nor was Jesus a rable-rouser, as elsewhere posted. Jesus taught total subservience to power.
The fictional character "Jesus" is a composit figure, typical of many fanatical rabel-rousers of that time and place. He was reported to have turnd over the tables of vendors and released chickens from the cages. The Jews know exactly what had to be done with such nut-cases!
Jesus didn't promote capitalism or Marxism. It is widely believed that the Matthew verse you cite has been mistranslated, and that it in fact meant to say "Gamel," the Hebrew word meaning "Thread." That would make more sense ("Easier for a thread to go through the eye of a needle..."). In the other verses, you twist His warnings against allowing earthly desires to control your life and distract you from God into somehow being a screed against all capitalism.
The values of Jesus Christ, character or real individual, or of St. Francis of Assisi, real individual, have as much to do with those of capitalism, as those of Mahatma Gandhi have to do with those of Genghis Khan or Attila the Hun. The measure of life for the former of these individuals was the love for others that was made manifest through it. The measure for the latter was how much power and wealth they accumulated for themselves. In any truly Christ-ian society, there would be no capitalism.
@VaSavoir2007 Thank you and I agree, although I wanted to clarify something. A Christian society would be very communist, but not by laws. Christians to basically commanded to be communist out of the love of their hearts, not the law. And the hebrews were even scoulded by Jesus for obeying the law but not having love in their hearts.
Please peoples I have the right of feeling oppressed by capitalism don't deny me this right I want freedom that's all. Many capitalist are so occidentalocentrist. Opening the market in a country who didn't had the time to develop it's own elite like the U.S did by their protectionism int the past. So now our elite can invade those countries isn't it theft in a way or plunder ?
@ULFHEDNNIR If you look at a place like india, america started using them for outsourcing and cheap labor. Since then, univercities and phds are coming out left and right from that country now. They got sling shotted into the modern age, and are generating tons of elite themselves now. In fact, out of the 3 big outsourcing countries we used to use, all of them are that way now. From my knowledge, it looks like korea (mainly south) is next up for the sling shot to the modern world.
LOLOLOLOL, South Korea is next up for the sling shot to the modern world? Why don't you go look up South Korea and then come back and tell me it's not in the "modern world" already. It's one of the 4 Asian Tigers man... Jesus where have you been man? Just go Google image search "South Korea"... go now! "Univercities" indeed. I'm sorry but... man.
@AkimboJoe Being a lead software engineer outsourcing to Korea, and looking over what they can do and how well, they aren't not nearly as good as India or other countries for this field. Their code is sloppy, and very amateur. Maybe that isn't everywhere, but at least in the software field they lack any real ability to write solid code. They are good for doing exactly what you say, nothing else.
@AFrightfulDream Socialism exploits the toilers worse than capitalism ever could. Socialism takes from the toiler and gives to the parasite. This is true in the presense or absense of a state apparatus. Capitalism merely negelects individual merit. Socialism outright punishes it. Fascism is socialism on crack. It is only Nationalism that recognizes and rewards individual merit. A so-called workers' commune would be like Cambodia circa 1975. Institutionalized starvation.
@commissarusa Consider the concept of Him being a King over the spiritual Nation of Zion and also consider that He was an Enemy of the State (Roman Empire) and the Church (the Pharisees).
How can one be the king of Zion and still be against the state? How can one be a preacher and be against the church? What you mean is that he was only against THAT state and THAT church. He was not an anarcho-nationalist because there is no such thing as an anarcho-nationalist.
There is. The goal of all communism is the creation of a classless, stateless society. A society with no masters, no oppressing powers, and no countries. That is exactly what "anarchy" means: no masters.
The anarchist sees the nation as a constructed division rather than a natural one. Nations and national boundaries are decided by the state in order for the ruling class to carve out a spit of land for himself. Thus anarchists must resolutely oppose nationalism in all forms.
@commissarusa Stateless? What a joke! Even under theoretical "stateless" communism, society itself would serve the same function as a state apparatus in which the majority oppresses the individual. Commies demand that the individual sacrifice their identity to the greater whole. Anarchists who are true to the spirit of anarchism are too individualistic for that. Jim Jones was a communist. So was Pol Pot. They liberated no one and oppressed many. Communism truly is "classless."
@commissarusa If commies are anti-state, then why are they the first to bow down to the nanny state, begging the powers-that-be to provide for them through institutionalized extortion of the working poor (who are poor because the government expropriates so much of what they earn in the form of taxes)?
@IggyHazard: Well, Marx had denounced the welfare nanny state as early as 1850, stating that it was merely a means of the bourgeois to bribe the proles.
@DonKhoi Can't think of anything else but the same old worn-out phrase-Liberal Welfare State. Do you ever broaden your beer soaked mind long enough for a fresh, breeze of thought? Do you ever contemplate why we have a welfare state? Do others exist outside of your cohort? Have you ever been to the city? Have you ever been outside of Bumbfuck? Give thoughtfulness a chance. Yes, YOUR brain may swell and your ears will bleed, but it passes. In the end, you may become a sentient humanbeing.
Even if the political entities we know as Capitalism and Communism existed in Jesus' time it would still be bogus to insist that he, or anyone else should have either foisted on them. Ok, so comparable extremes did exist; there were Saducee fat cats who ran the temple and revolutionary Zealots living by the sword against imperial occupation, but there were also people who openly rejected both. Whether the choice be Barabus v Herod, Gog v Magog or Hitler v Marx, the choice is still bogus.
I disagree. Libertarian communists would like to see a system where people will "not be anxious, saying, `What shall we eat?' or `What shall we drink?' or `What shall we wear?"; where instead of feeling like we have to "toil or spin" we satisfy those needs by "seek[ing] first" our creativity, our desire to help others and to experience the present instead of feeling "anxious about tomorrow". Libertarian communists want a world where we lean toward BEING rather than HAVING
not really, its up to the peons to make a stand. Going to work for a boss is voluntary no matter how you look at it (although in non-anarchist communism it is very much involuntary). Sure it may suck and feel like slavery but you always have a choice to whether to go or not. And sure, it may be hard as hell to live without going to work for a boss but people do it now already and its a choice you have to make given the constants around you. Or you could just change the constants.
I think there's more to the Matthew 19:24 as well as the other quotes in the description. Note that most benefit the masters.
"Look, the meek will inherit the Earth, right! See? Don't revolt! It's good to be meek! I know I'm rich and you're poor, but don't worry, because you're all going to heaven. I can't enter heaven like you. Like Jesus said, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. Take comfort in that and accept your penury!"
@bobomber I didn't suggest that it did. I just think it helps in the struggle to understand the context of the Bible's seemingly noble phrases, how Christianity was a tool 'of' the rich, not the poor man's defence 'against' the rich, etc.
Practically, it means we have to ask questions like "Do we join forces with the church in said struggles? Or are we cautious because we know who they represent?" and that sort of thing
jesus was no anarchist. he listened to "gods" orders. an anarchist doesnt listen to someones orders except when he is involved in the process of thinking about that action.
jesus knew that there is no god. but he was so clever that he made the people believe that there is a god and that he is his son so the people have to follow him.
@6ch6ris6 Um, yeah, you didn't understand correctly. People have been worshiping a God LOOONG before Jesus Christ came along (some were monotheists, others were polytheists, w/e). Jesus also said that he is the son of God and that we're all children of God, because God treats us as equals. Therefore, a king and a poor person are actually equal, which lead to Jesus saying that we're all kings as well. If Jesus believed that there's a God or not, is debatable.
@6ch6ris6 Ah, sorry then ^-^ Bleh, I'm always spouting off something or other; and I'm always encountering people who believe the strangest about Jesus Christ, so I got a bit confused there :P
I think the song is blocking the sound of Jesus talking about a twofold character of commodities being use-value and exchange value and as an embodiment of labor.
I don't think most people got the point mr1001nights was trying to make. Mr1001nights isn't religious, or believes in Jesus, etc. He is just trying to say that capitalist Christians are hypocrites- that's all.
@donroche Capitalism has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution. Capitalism is an economic system, evolution is the process of traits changing in groups of organisms.
Old testament is for slave-owners and the new testament is for slaves.
Jesus was an idiot who demanded political change disproportional to his political power. His words and actions only serves as guide to permanent slavery.
@organdva Soo, in other words, Jesus demanded the poor people to revolt and throw off the king, putting themselves into a more primitive form of socialism. Well, looking at several past revolutions, I guess you can say that's what Lenin and Che did. And guess what! They were successful!
I suggest you, sir, are an idiot who's demanding us to believe in your propaganda disproportional to our vast knowledge of history and economy. Your words serve as a guide to sheer idiocy.
@EVILW0LFgirl NO quite the opposite! His words lead to subordination and pacifism and his actions are revolutionary as ''american insurrectionism'' - smashing windows. Bolsheviks ''revolution'' was coup d'état - admired and copied by Mussolini himself. Red fascism is far from success.
Stick your Jesus up your ass with your knowledge of history and economy! ''Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.'' Ephesians 6:5 NLT
"There is huge abundance of evidence for his existence." when i hear this, i always assume that this is a lie and ask for links, i mean, sources, something i can look up. you appear to be certain, but now that im asking you for that evidence you dont know what to do, because all you can find is people saying that "There is huge abundance of evidence for his existence.". but all those people are either confused or talking about the bible it seems. so, send me links please.
"You NEVER asked for evidence." just look at my first comment, the one you responded to. im asking for evidence for the existence of jesus outside of the bible in that comment.
anyway, im looking forward to researching your links. scholarly debates dont help unless evidence is presented in these debates. christians tell many lies about jesus, that he walked on water and turned water into wine and stuff like that, even christian "scholars" do it. talk isnt equal to evidence.
@donroche 1. He holds people to a very high moral standard or they go to hell. 2. The ban on hookers is a moral thing in the Jewish religion, to ignore it is hardly libertarian, he still opposed her profession, it is adultery in his eyes. 3. A libertarian wants the market to determine wages, Jesus basically rgues that he should be paid by need. I find it funny that you can just find one quote that kinda supports him being a libertarian, when libertarians didn't exist until the late 1700s
Appealing to Jebus, that'll win some retards over. Please, by all means, take them. We don't want them. Its clear some people believe in superstitions rather than observations, hence why communists resemble the average Christian in all but deity. The father the state, the son Marx, and the holy spirit of "the people".
@cary123 Oh that's great, so I guess I don't have to worry about red shirts coming to tell me how much I can own. They'll leave me alone in communism? Show me this mythical stateless, compassionate communism.
@yeahwotevaman True, but there were aspects and institutions of Capitalism that existed back then. For example, a class of wealthy rulers. The rich got their riches and power through different methods 2000 years ago, but they were still rich- like we have today.
Jesus also didn't like divorce. So what? It's not like Jesus' approval or disapproval lends any weight to the legitimacy of something, as far as I'm concerned.
"The leftist Catholic is correct in discovering in the bourgeois the rich man of the parable, but is mistaken in identifying the militant proletariat with the poor of the Gospel." - Nicolás Gómez Dávila
It is a documented fact that the first church organized by the followers of Jesus WAS communistic (see the the book of Acts in the NT).
Back then and for a long time to come, however, communism was a Utopian dream and only recently (in the 19th Century) was it brought out of the mystical into the scientific by the economic and sociological inquiry of Karl Marx and made a practical possibility possibility by the material and social development of capitalism.
Jesus warned us of the Rothbards, Von Mises, Rand, and M.Friedman's or Jews that spoke to us that gov't was bad and that poor people are the beggars and looters.
To be fair, that incident is often seen as Jesus driving the profane and material out of the sacred placed. But, that said, the early church did have many communistic tendencies and Jesus preached sharing and community. However, this was more about faith, anti-materialism, anti-consumerism, and the sacred, than about political economy, class struggle, and ending exploitation.
We already knew the religious right were a bunch of hypocritical assholes even before anybody so much as mentioned Jesus. This is something of a moot point.
Jesus was a SAVIOR! Jesus is a SAVIOR!
LIVINHOLY1 3 weeks ago
Jesus may was a communist but Communists never liked Jesus
ilmedico100 3 weeks ago
"So they came to Jerusalem. Then Jesus went into the temple and began to drive out those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. And He would not allow anyone to carry wares through the temple." Mark 11:15~ THIS WAS THE ACT THAT GOT JESUS KILLED. He called the ball. He called the money changers out on the corrupt exchange rate & the way that the whole Temple Complex had become corrupt... SO THEY KILLED HIM !!!
CosmicFork 3 weeks ago
I attack Christians in debates because I had to suffer from their verbal attacks on a daily basis when I went to Christian schools. Christians have no basis to judge others. They have done everything the worse dictators of the 20th century have done. Genocide--the Albigensian Crusade, rape---Roman Catholic priests, torture and spying--the Inquisition,Orwellian doublespeak--privilege, the death penalty, support for wars. Face it---Christianity is just a profit making venture.
perdondaris 1 month ago
I notice people who use the bible to criticize those who they categorize as "wealthy" are perfectly okay stealing and coveting that wealth when it serves them. I believe Christ had much to say about those sins as well.
twincrier 2 months ago
Know this the journey you have begun has brought me to you all! I hope you are ready for the fight I have come to revieal to you. It seems you have been in practice a while! You are of no fear. I love it! Lets direct it in a way that makes VERY BIG WAVES! Such as Youtube can not contain! You are the 2012 Saul my friend and Saul in reality in the end was a BAD ASS! -Yakman
YakmanBuddha 3 months ago
These scriptures you have rightly realized but misinturrpreted! Jesus was much like you rageing against the lies! Your on to something but... Lets dig deeper. There is something to fight! But its not religion. Its thoes who have selected that part of scripture they wanted to share and hidden the rest in order to gain power. See my channel as in the days to come I will pull the curtian off the illusion completely! Forgive spelling error Still practicing!
YakmanBuddha 3 months ago
Jesus didn't love something that didn't exist at the time retards. He was a Commie, a pure hearted Commie wanting his people to be free. Go some where else Fascist ass holes
SMGJohn 3 months ago
I wouldn't want to do something that would get me executed by the state for no good reason. That is what Jesus did. After he died nothing in the world changed. He just became a mascot for powerful warlords who did everything powerful warlords did before he lived and died. Jesus might have changed his mind up on the cross if he had the foreknowledge of the pointlessness of his sacrifice.
perdondaris 3 months ago
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If everyone was just like Jesus what kind of government would we need?
If everyone was just like Satan what kind of government would we get?
Since Jesus was not a proponent of physical violence, I believe he would have
agreed with Hayek in his book " Against Collectivist Means, Not Socialist Ends"
weavermama 3 months ago
What is the morale to the Story Jesus hated Capitalism?
Some one please explain?
1290001 4 months ago
@1290001
Republicans are hypocrites.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
All of this argument about whether he was a Red is irrelevant since he never existed. It just proves conservative Christians are lying whores.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris Serriously man, what the hell? Im dont know you from atom but why do you attack all Christians like that? Its just not right man, not right at all.
ultranova12 1 month ago
Yes, he did. "Your poor, you will have them always with you" (NT, somewhere)
think about the "Matthew Principle" in capitalist economy
DrMerkwuerdichliebe 5 months ago
The next time that you ask yourself what would Jesus do, remember that the only time he acted violently was when he confronted the usurers(bankers)...
luijoc 8 months ago
Some times I wonder if Jesus ever existed, and if he was more of a revolutionary who needed to be killed like John b4 him. Maybe? It is possible that Rome later adopted the stories and made some modifications to it. To make it seem like he was more of a pacifist and this would pacify the people so they could keep stealing from them. We all know the record of the Roman Catholic church.
N0g0dzN0masterz 8 months ago
Jesus was a hedge fund manager.
zalamander8 9 months ago
Jesus was not in fact a humanist. He was a hypocrite who obviously knew that his "cure" for poverty (give away some of our belongings to the poor) was a crock of crap, since he says, "the poor ye will have always with ye." In fact, the one way that he could have helped the poor - by advocating for fairer wage and taxation laws - he shuns: "I come not to change the law." Nor was Jesus a rable-rouser, as elsewhere posted. Jesus taught total subservience to power.
Lorieellesh 10 months ago
:05 roman soldiers...HOT. Wow.
exigentrevolution 11 months ago
The fictional character "Jesus" is a composit figure, typical of many fanatical rabel-rousers of that time and place. He was reported to have turnd over the tables of vendors and released chickens from the cages. The Jews know exactly what had to be done with such nut-cases!
Avalon400 11 months ago
Bloody Romans!
38dragoon38 1 year ago
Jesus didn't promote capitalism or Marxism. It is widely believed that the Matthew verse you cite has been mistranslated, and that it in fact meant to say "Gamel," the Hebrew word meaning "Thread." That would make more sense ("Easier for a thread to go through the eye of a needle..."). In the other verses, you twist His warnings against allowing earthly desires to control your life and distract you from God into somehow being a screed against all capitalism.
Fail.
Adamguy2003 1 year ago
This looks like a deleted scene from life of Brian
henriktor 1 year ago
The values of Jesus Christ, character or real individual, or of St. Francis of Assisi, real individual, have as much to do with those of capitalism, as those of Mahatma Gandhi have to do with those of Genghis Khan or Attila the Hun. The measure of life for the former of these individuals was the love for others that was made manifest through it. The measure for the latter was how much power and wealth they accumulated for themselves. In any truly Christ-ian society, there would be no capitalism.
VaSavoir2007 1 year ago
@VaSavoir2007 Thank you and I agree, although I wanted to clarify something. A Christian society would be very communist, but not by laws. Christians to basically commanded to be communist out of the love of their hearts, not the law. And the hebrews were even scoulded by Jesus for obeying the law but not having love in their hearts.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
Please peoples I have the right of feeling oppressed by capitalism don't deny me this right I want freedom that's all. Many capitalist are so occidentalocentrist. Opening the market in a country who didn't had the time to develop it's own elite like the U.S did by their protectionism int the past. So now our elite can invade those countries isn't it theft in a way or plunder ?
ULFHEDNNIR 1 year ago
@ULFHEDNNIR If you look at a place like india, america started using them for outsourcing and cheap labor. Since then, univercities and phds are coming out left and right from that country now. They got sling shotted into the modern age, and are generating tons of elite themselves now. In fact, out of the 3 big outsourcing countries we used to use, all of them are that way now. From my knowledge, it looks like korea (mainly south) is next up for the sling shot to the modern world.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@bluefootedpig
LOLOLOLOL, South Korea is next up for the sling shot to the modern world? Why don't you go look up South Korea and then come back and tell me it's not in the "modern world" already. It's one of the 4 Asian Tigers man... Jesus where have you been man? Just go Google image search "South Korea"... go now! "Univercities" indeed. I'm sorry but... man.
AkimboJoe 9 months ago
@AkimboJoe Being a lead software engineer outsourcing to Korea, and looking over what they can do and how well, they aren't not nearly as good as India or other countries for this field. Their code is sloppy, and very amateur. Maybe that isn't everywhere, but at least in the software field they lack any real ability to write solid code. They are good for doing exactly what you say, nothing else.
bluefootedpig 9 months ago
How come conservatives leaders don't remember these Bible verses when making/presenting policy bills/amendments?
They're just religious/spiritual a la lip-service...pathetic and damming if they were to read these verses...They only live for themselves.
DasWarSchnell 1 year ago 14
@DasWarSchnell because freedom is more popular than jesus
MrFan32 8 months ago
@AFrightfulDream Socialism exploits the toilers worse than capitalism ever could. Socialism takes from the toiler and gives to the parasite. This is true in the presense or absense of a state apparatus. Capitalism merely negelects individual merit. Socialism outright punishes it. Fascism is socialism on crack. It is only Nationalism that recognizes and rewards individual merit. A so-called workers' commune would be like Cambodia circa 1975. Institutionalized starvation.
IggyHazard 1 year ago
@IggyHazard Bullshit
richardmulroy 1 year ago
Anarcho-Nationalist is more like it.
IggyHazard 1 year ago
@IggyHazard
anarcho-nationalist? are you insane?
commissarusa 1 year ago
@commissarusa Consider the concept of Him being a King over the spiritual Nation of Zion and also consider that He was an Enemy of the State (Roman Empire) and the Church (the Pharisees).
IggyHazard 1 year ago
@IggyHazard
How can one be the king of Zion and still be against the state? How can one be a preacher and be against the church? What you mean is that he was only against THAT state and THAT church. He was not an anarcho-nationalist because there is no such thing as an anarcho-nationalist.
commissarusa 1 year ago
@commissarusa In that case, there's also no such thing as an "anarcho-communist."
IggyHazard 1 year ago
@IggyHazard
There is. The goal of all communism is the creation of a classless, stateless society. A society with no masters, no oppressing powers, and no countries. That is exactly what "anarchy" means: no masters.
The anarchist sees the nation as a constructed division rather than a natural one. Nations and national boundaries are decided by the state in order for the ruling class to carve out a spit of land for himself. Thus anarchists must resolutely oppose nationalism in all forms.
commissarusa 1 year ago
@commissarusa Stateless? What a joke! Even under theoretical "stateless" communism, society itself would serve the same function as a state apparatus in which the majority oppresses the individual. Commies demand that the individual sacrifice their identity to the greater whole. Anarchists who are true to the spirit of anarchism are too individualistic for that. Jim Jones was a communist. So was Pol Pot. They liberated no one and oppressed many. Communism truly is "classless."
IggyHazard 1 year ago
@commissarusa If commies are anti-state, then why are they the first to bow down to the nanny state, begging the powers-that-be to provide for them through institutionalized extortion of the working poor (who are poor because the government expropriates so much of what they earn in the form of taxes)?
IggyHazard 1 year ago
@IggyHazard: Well, Marx had denounced the welfare nanny state as early as 1850, stating that it was merely a means of the bourgeois to bribe the proles.
DonKhoi 1 year ago
@DonKhoi Interesting. I wonder what today's Marxists would think of that.
IggyHazard 1 year ago
@IggyHazard: Sadly, many of them had bought into the Liberal Welfare State.
DonKhoi 1 year ago
@DonKhoi Can't think of anything else but the same old worn-out phrase-Liberal Welfare State. Do you ever broaden your beer soaked mind long enough for a fresh, breeze of thought? Do you ever contemplate why we have a welfare state? Do others exist outside of your cohort? Have you ever been to the city? Have you ever been outside of Bumbfuck? Give thoughtfulness a chance. Yes, YOUR brain may swell and your ears will bleed, but it passes. In the end, you may become a sentient humanbeing.
octaviaaugustus1950 1 year ago 4
Jesus said: "Merchants and salesmen will NOT enter The Kingdom of my Father." (Saying Number 64, The Gospel of Thomas)
CosmicFork 1 year ago
@hlwrites True XD
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
This is fucking awesome.
whereisthediscoteque 1 year ago
Jesus? Who?
GodBlesstheWorld2008 1 year ago
Even if the political entities we know as Capitalism and Communism existed in Jesus' time it would still be bogus to insist that he, or anyone else should have either foisted on them. Ok, so comparable extremes did exist; there were Saducee fat cats who ran the temple and revolutionary Zealots living by the sword against imperial occupation, but there were also people who openly rejected both. Whether the choice be Barabus v Herod, Gog v Magog or Hitler v Marx, the choice is still bogus.
differous01 1 year ago
appeals to jesus will get you no where with an atheist fag.
thorsmitersaw 1 year ago
@AFrightfulDream
toil |toil|
verb [ intrans. ]
work extremely hard or incessantly
mr1001nights 1 year ago
@mr1001nights
limited transitivity, I've toiled my ass off these past days.
whereisthediscoteque 1 year ago
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@AFrightfulDream
I disagree. Libertarian communists would like to see a system where people will "not be anxious, saying, `What shall we eat?' or `What shall we drink?' or `What shall we wear?"; where instead of feeling like we have to "toil or spin" we satisfy those needs by "seek[ing] first" our creativity, our desire to help others and to experience the present instead of feeling "anxious about tomorrow". Libertarian communists want a world where we lean toward BEING rather than HAVING
mr1001nights 1 year ago 2
@cayetanoluis
not really, its up to the peons to make a stand. Going to work for a boss is voluntary no matter how you look at it (although in non-anarchist communism it is very much involuntary). Sure it may suck and feel like slavery but you always have a choice to whether to go or not. And sure, it may be hard as hell to live without going to work for a boss but people do it now already and its a choice you have to make given the constants around you. Or you could just change the constants.
OntologicalQuandary 1 year ago
Jesus clash with the guards now, yeah! Durruti, Kropotkin, Malatesta, Jesus! Yeah! (not ironic)
ILovKenny 1 year ago
You're christian??
spankthamunkey 1 year ago
I think there's more to the Matthew 19:24 as well as the other quotes in the description. Note that most benefit the masters.
"Look, the meek will inherit the Earth, right! See? Don't revolt! It's good to be meek! I know I'm rich and you're poor, but don't worry, because you're all going to heaven. I can't enter heaven like you. Like Jesus said, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. Take comfort in that and accept your penury!"
samsonlovesyou 1 year ago
@samsonlovesyou You make a point but at the same time, I don't see why this message should prevent us from struggling toward justice.
bobomber 1 year ago
@bobomber I didn't suggest that it did. I just think it helps in the struggle to understand the context of the Bible's seemingly noble phrases, how Christianity was a tool 'of' the rich, not the poor man's defence 'against' the rich, etc.
Practically, it means we have to ask questions like "Do we join forces with the church in said struggles? Or are we cautious because we know who they represent?" and that sort of thing
samsonlovesyou 1 year ago
Sweet cut by RY. Nice mash-up.
RomanByTheRiverside 1 year ago
netherland blood?? wtf are you talking about?
jesus was no anarchist. he listened to "gods" orders. an anarchist doesnt listen to someones orders except when he is involved in the process of thinking about that action.
and jesus was "king of the kings".
JESUS WAS NO ANARCHIST!! -.-
6ch6ris6 1 year ago
@6ch6ris6 jesus was/is god :)
he kind of ordered himself around xD
Wolfmoon23 1 year ago
i dont know if i understood you correctly.
jesus knew that there is no god. but he was so clever that he made the people believe that there is a god and that he is his son so the people have to follow him.
6ch6ris6 1 year ago
@6ch6ris6 Um, yeah, you didn't understand correctly. People have been worshiping a God LOOONG before Jesus Christ came along (some were monotheists, others were polytheists, w/e). Jesus also said that he is the son of God and that we're all children of God, because God treats us as equals. Therefore, a king and a poor person are actually equal, which lead to Jesus saying that we're all kings as well. If Jesus believed that there's a God or not, is debatable.
EVILW0LFgirl 1 year ago
@EVILW0LFgirl You search fo logic in a wrong place. Jesus is Lord. So is the Holy Ghost. The Holy Trinity is one Gody if you follow the bible.
Wolfmoon23 1 year ago
i know? you didnt tell me anaything new :D
6ch6ris6 1 year ago
@6ch6ris6 Ah, sorry then ^-^ Bleh, I'm always spouting off something or other; and I'm always encountering people who believe the strangest about Jesus Christ, so I got a bit confused there :P
EVILW0LFgirl 1 year ago
@6ch6ris6 I was just paraphrasing the bible. In my opinion Jesus was just overhypend artist of his time.
Wolfmoon23 1 year ago
true. jesus was an artist and a lier
6ch6ris6 1 year ago
Who's song is that? Aaaaawsum...
EpifanesEuergetes 1 year ago
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"AFGHANISTAN WISDOM MADNESS"
eliasmouawad 1 year ago
If this is so then why is it that Communist reject his Dad?
T'werent he a Commie also then?
ccharlie100 1 year ago
wtf mr1001nights?
mauroprovatos 1 year ago 2
I think the song is blocking the sound of Jesus talking about a twofold character of commodities being use-value and exchange value and as an embodiment of labor.
metalorg 1 year ago
jesus was not an anarchist. he had a master named "god". so he was not free vom authority.
anarchy->an-archia=without authority
(A)
6ch6ris6 1 year ago
THAT'S F$CK!NG AWESOME!!!
RedOutcast 1 year ago
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webmacho 1 year ago
Jesus was a monarchist who pretended to be a judean king
nosorog91 1 year ago
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anarchore 1 year ago
@anarchore
Not sure, I haven't changed anything. Could it be because of the song?
mr1001nights 1 year ago
@mr1001nights Maybe.. I figured out how to get past it, thanks. Great vid, posted it on my blog/site. Google ZIOFASCISM
anarchore 1 year ago
Another reason to not be a Christian.
JacobSpinney 1 year ago
I don't think most people got the point mr1001nights was trying to make. Mr1001nights isn't religious, or believes in Jesus, etc. He is just trying to say that capitalist Christians are hypocrites- that's all.
spartan2600 1 year ago
@donroche Capitalism has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution. Capitalism is an economic system, evolution is the process of traits changing in groups of organisms.
spartan2600 1 year ago
Old testament is for slave-owners and the new testament is for slaves.
Jesus was an idiot who demanded political change disproportional to his political power. His words and actions only serves as guide to permanent slavery.
Organize!
organdva 1 year ago
@organdva Soo, in other words, Jesus demanded the poor people to revolt and throw off the king, putting themselves into a more primitive form of socialism. Well, looking at several past revolutions, I guess you can say that's what Lenin and Che did. And guess what! They were successful!
I suggest you, sir, are an idiot who's demanding us to believe in your propaganda disproportional to our vast knowledge of history and economy. Your words serve as a guide to sheer idiocy.
Shut up! :D
EVILW0LFgirl 1 year ago
@EVILW0LFgirl NO quite the opposite! His words lead to subordination and pacifism and his actions are revolutionary as ''american insurrectionism'' - smashing windows. Bolsheviks ''revolution'' was coup d'état - admired and copied by Mussolini himself. Red fascism is far from success.
Stick your Jesus up your ass with your knowledge of history and economy! ''Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.'' Ephesians 6:5 NLT
organdva 1 year ago
duh, just read Tolstoy : )
sexdrugsRnR 1 year ago
whats your evidence outside of the bible that jesus ever existed?
i know i can be picky when it comes to religion ;)
kurtilein3 1 year ago
@kurtilein3
Evidence and faith tend not to go together
mr1001nights 1 year ago
@mr1001nights
It's said that there's more historical evidence for Jesus's existence than Caesar's. Not sure if it's true though.
Menegoth 1 year ago
@mr1001nights
I must be reading your response wrong, because you do not strike me as someone who decides based on 'faith'.....?
Shawnruss 1 year ago
@Shawnruss
I try not to. Which response?
mr1001nights 1 year ago
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@mr1001nights
kurtkein3 asked "whats your evidence outside of the bible that jesus ever existed?
i know i can be picky when it comes to religion ;)"
You replied "Evidence and faith tend not to go together|
I don't think I fully understand what you meant by that in response to that question.
Shawnruss 1 year ago
@kurtilein3 There is huge abundance of evidence for his existence.
even secular serious scholars don't deny that. Moreover, he didn't advocate any
political idealogy. But's it clear socialism would be closest to his teaching.
mige23 1 year ago
@mige23
"There is huge abundance of evidence for his existence." when i hear this, i always assume that this is a lie and ask for links, i mean, sources, something i can look up. you appear to be certain, but now that im asking you for that evidence you dont know what to do, because all you can find is people saying that "There is huge abundance of evidence for his existence.". but all those people are either confused or talking about the bible it seems. so, send me links please.
kurtilein3 1 year ago
@kurtilein3 You NEVER asked for evidence. I'll send u links and
scholarly debates later.
mige23 1 year ago
@mige23
"You NEVER asked for evidence." just look at my first comment, the one you responded to. im asking for evidence for the existence of jesus outside of the bible in that comment.
anyway, im looking forward to researching your links. scholarly debates dont help unless evidence is presented in these debates. christians tell many lies about jesus, that he walked on water and turned water into wine and stuff like that, even christian "scholars" do it. talk isnt equal to evidence.
kurtilein3 1 year ago
@donroche 1. He holds people to a very high moral standard or they go to hell. 2. The ban on hookers is a moral thing in the Jewish religion, to ignore it is hardly libertarian, he still opposed her profession, it is adultery in his eyes. 3. A libertarian wants the market to determine wages, Jesus basically rgues that he should be paid by need. I find it funny that you can just find one quote that kinda supports him being a libertarian, when libertarians didn't exist until the late 1700s
rjbonacolta 1 year ago
Jesus Wins.
Christianity Fails.
SocialDemocracyFTW 1 year ago
@donroche For example?
rjbonacolta 1 year ago
Jesus is awesome.
PersianPaladin 1 year ago
By the way he was breaking shit, he seemed like an Anarchist
ZYKLONBKILLSHITLER 1 year ago
@ZYKLONBKILLSHITLER i don't see the logic of that statement.
;d
666norton420 1 year ago
yeah...Jesus was commie
nosorog91 1 year ago
Appealing to Jebus, that'll win some retards over. Please, by all means, take them. We don't want them. Its clear some people believe in superstitions rather than observations, hence why communists resemble the average Christian in all but deity. The father the state, the son Marx, and the holy spirit of "the people".
abortabraham 1 year ago
@abortabraham there is no state in communism idiot.
cary123 1 year ago
@cary123 Oh that's great, so I guess I don't have to worry about red shirts coming to tell me how much I can own. They'll leave me alone in communism? Show me this mythical stateless, compassionate communism.
abortabraham 1 year ago
@abortabraham Noone owns anything in communism, the commune(which includes you) owns everything.
It has yet to exist.
cary123 1 year ago
erm... there was no such economic system as capitalism in Jesus's time.
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
@yeahwotevaman True, but there were aspects and institutions of Capitalism that existed back then. For example, a class of wealthy rulers. The rich got their riches and power through different methods 2000 years ago, but they were still rich- like we have today.
spartan2600 1 year ago
jesus was son of prostitute
xXdmrusXx 1 year ago
Anachronism much?
Jesus also didn't like divorce. So what? It's not like Jesus' approval or disapproval lends any weight to the legitimacy of something, as far as I'm concerned.
Irtidad 1 year ago
@Irtidad He also said you shouldn't complain when being shafted by the ruling class.
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
"The leftist Catholic is correct in discovering in the bourgeois the rich man of the parable, but is mistaken in identifying the militant proletariat with the poor of the Gospel." - Nicolás Gómez Dávila
TheAntiNICE 1 year ago
And that's why christianity sucks, and is completely false..
Sivels 1 year ago
It is a documented fact that the first church organized by the followers of Jesus WAS communistic (see the the book of Acts in the NT).
Back then and for a long time to come, however, communism was a Utopian dream and only recently (in the 19th Century) was it brought out of the mystical into the scientific by the economic and sociological inquiry of Karl Marx and made a practical possibility possibility by the material and social development of capitalism.
NewTet 1 year ago
Jesus warned us of the Rothbards, Von Mises, Rand, and M.Friedman's or Jews that spoke to us that gov't was bad and that poor people are the beggars and looters.
LouieArrighi 1 year ago
@LouieArrighi I'm sure Jesus rose from the dead to warn us about the dangers of Austrian economics. You're a sad little man.
abortabraham 1 year ago
@abortabraham i'm pretty sure the only reason jesus rose from the dead, was to be a nonexistent character in one of the saddest books ever written.
;d
666norton420 1 year ago
To be fair, that incident is often seen as Jesus driving the profane and material out of the sacred placed. But, that said, the early church did have many communistic tendencies and Jesus preached sharing and community. However, this was more about faith, anti-materialism, anti-consumerism, and the sacred, than about political economy, class struggle, and ending exploitation.
CrawdaddyJoe 1 year ago 2
"jesus and the money changers"
f#ck'n google it
greenhell666 1 year ago
:^)
shameoncanada 1 year ago
We already knew the religious right were a bunch of hypocritical assholes even before anybody so much as mentioned Jesus. This is something of a moot point.
CuriousMoth 1 year ago 8