Fine video, but one thing is glaringly absent: that archaeological evidence strongly suggests that the Exodus story is entirely mythical. There were never any Hebrew slaves in Egypt, they didn't wander the desert for 40 years, and they never conquered any territory in ancient Israel. Without that story, Judaism (and Christianity, of course) falls apart completely.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers. 2 Timothy 4:3
@Kevra777 No, I'm throwing out insults to MOCK your stupidity, lol. And at least I've made some arguments instead of just responding with a string of lame comebacks as you've done. Now are you going to tuck that tail between your pussy legs and think twice before you speak next time, or do you need the boot?
@TaylorX04 Kevra777 is a homophobic troll. And if you spend 3/4ths of your response to 'tards like him explaining why he's wrong, and then the last bit pointing out how disingenuous he is, that seems pretty modest to me.
@Kevra777 Seriously, do you not know that there are different translations for different names in different languages? Why do you think some famous foreign actors change their names? Because as language changes or as your target demographic changes, it's easier to remember names that sit well on the tongue. Any child could understand this, but you continue to throw out cuntish insults to mask your breathtaking stupidity. Lmao.
@Kevra777 Holy fuck, you're retarded. You do realize all of our names can be translated into different languages, right? For example, your name is Shit, which would be Scheisse in German, Mierda in Spanish, and so on. It's really not difficult to grasp unless you have an extremely useless brain occupying your skull.
@Kevra777 This has absolutely nothing to do with the KJV translation. I use the English names for the disciples, Jesus, and so forth, because they're the names most familiar to us today. I'm well aware that Jesus' real name was not Jesus, and I'm fairly certain even the most ignorant believer knows it too. You're barking up the wrong tree, genius.
@Kevra777 This is the dumbest shit I think I've ever read on my videos. You do realize that the bible has been TRANSLATED from its original language, don't you? And you do realize that a name like Matthew comes from the Hebrew name Matiyahu, translated to Matthiaos in Greek, into Matthaeus in Latin, and finally Matthew in English? It's the same with the other names of the New Testament. It doesn't mean the bible was written by fucking white Englishmen, you moron.
@bucksmasher1 I have to say, I have never seen these Aryan Jesus pictures, lol. I've seen the brown-haired, blue-eyed Jesus, but not the blond-haired kind.
@TaylorX04 Ok you got me. He did have very light brown hair in the paintings not blond but he did have blue eyes and was Caucasian not A-Rab. There are some who claim that the 1st recorded cases of blue eyes in the Middle East were not until 800 years after Jesus. Obviously they are wrong. The paintings don't lie. Your email came in while I was reading an article by Ruth Gledhill titled - Catholic Church No Longer Swears By Truth of The Bible - Jan 8 2012
@bucksmasher1 You do realize that the paintings of "Jesus" are biased by whatever race the painter was, right? In Ethiopia, there is a depiction of "Jesus" as an Ethiopian, his hair looking more like the Ethiopians. In Europe, he looks European. But "Jesus" was from the Middle East, therefore he would have had tanned skin, brown eyes, and dark hair. But more than that, we have no actual depiction of "Jesus". And Edward Current is a satirist.
@HimesInu I realize all that. Edward Current is one of my favorite atheists. If Jesus had actually existed he would have probably looked like Yassir Arrafat.
@bucksmasher1 I had to be sure. I've had people, fundies in particular, who are adament that Jesus was a blond haired, blue eyed European-esque person. If I came out as an asshole, I apologize. Reading your comments left me confused as to where you stood on the topic.
A year or so ago, I don't remember the video, I commented that, if an authentic bust or etching of Jesus was found, and he looked exactly like Arafat, I wonder how Christians would truly react. Would it affect their belief, their faith? How would they feel about jesus then?
Not one Christian ever responded, but I know the answer...they would would simply deny the image was authentic, no matter how much proof was presented. That's what they do whenever their religion is challenged.
Does that include the numerous paintings from the middle ages which depict what some people claim to be UFOs hovering over jesus during his baptism, crucifixion, and the resurrection??
Paintings are not photographs!
If JC actually existed, and had features that were not Semitic, or Hebraic, don't you think it would be mentioned in scripture?
@TaylorX04 Ha! Your right she is and she covered that as well as the true meaning of the Adam & Eve and the lack of evidence for the existence of King David. It should make people question the validity of the bible
Pretty good job! I would, however, prefer to judge Joshua not on single hit-or-misses, but on the weight of the evidence, which does clearly point to it being composed 623-588 BC. Also, since the fundies can actually twist Jericho City IV to the era of Joshua (by either up-dating Joshua or down-dating Jericho), I would suggest pointing, rather, to the lack of remains [RSHB ware] from Ahab's time (1 Kings 16:34). Also, the references to the Hittites in the Bible likely point to the Neo-Hittites.
@againstjebelallawz Agreed, and that's a great point about Ahab's era that I wish I'd remembered. I'm not too knowledgeable of the Neo-Hittites, but many things in Hebrew scripture are anachronistic, it would seem. In your opinion, are the "Hittites" of the bible a combination of anachronism and the remaining post-Imperial states, or do you think anachronism is less a part of it?
@TaylorX04 -Anachronism relating to which era? I assume a composition of Joshua (and, consequently, his Hittites in 1:4) in the 7th C BC. The Hittites of Joshua clearly belong in North Syria, not Anatolia. The "Hatti-land" (N. Syria) is heard about from the 9th C BC Assyrian texts down to the Neo-Babylonian era. Can you please, even with the limited space YouTube allows, be slightly clearer to what you are referring to?
All arguments by geography are the same as arguing for Hinduism with Rama's Bridge to Sri Lanka (among thousands of other religious texts with correct geography).
just as Christians did to science. They do everything to archaeology, history, and the academia: everything that is consistent w/ the bible is evidence, and everything that is not are false... LMAO
Of course the bible isn't historically accurate. What a silly question. Any education person who cares about the way things are knows that this is just mythical, bronze-aged bullshit.
Drive down any street in any town any Sunday morning in the US and tell the people filling the churches of these stupidly obvious and annoying things. The great majority of people believe stuplidly obviously false things, and need to be told so in painfully obvious ways.
@Nueronomy Insecure? I have to watch videos to keep myself from praying? Hahaha, you're as deluded as religious believers. Next thing I know, you'll be accusing me of insecurity and fighting off prayers to Zeus because I love learning about Greek mythology!
I do plenty with myself. Unlike you, I actually create - not just videos, but music and computer programs - instead of wasting all my time posting bitchy comments on YouTube about subjects I claim to have no interest in.
@TaylorX04 of course.. " your as this - as religious people ".
Your a follower, people like you have dragged the term atheism through the mud to the point where it can't be redeemed. " Atheist " used to traditionally be people who thought for themselves, now there is a culture of moronic atheist who cling to support on youtube and waste time rehashing obvious points.
Everybody does things with themselves I am just saying your useless.
@Nueronomy Oh I see, because I have an interest in things you don't, that makes me a follower and someone who doesn't think for himself? You are the spitting image of the arrogant atheist asshole type that everyone hates. On the contrary, YOU and people like you are the ones dragging the atheist term through the mud with your elitist nonsense. The irony is that you have no arguments - you shun them. All you want to do is ridicule people into disbelief, because you're irrational fucks.
Listen here retard, your language says it all. You start out by copying exactly what I said but saying that's me, then you go on your self to regard your self as something along the lines of, " The generous shepard guiding his rational sheep into the promised land of reason ". No your just a fucking idiot who makes videos copying exactly what other people say so you can feel the satisfaction of pretending you made points you didn't.
@Nueronomy I'm going to have to change my no blocking policy. You trolls are pathetic and intolerable, and I have no good reason why I should endure you to placate the anti-blocking crowd. You're done. I have never plagiarized anyone in my videos, and I always give credit where credit is due. So fuck off.
@TaylorX04 After reading through the comments I'm not convinced that they are trolls. Arrogant pricks that talk out of their ass maybe, but not trolls. I also think that you gave them too much of your time to them even if they weren't trolls. However, I did like your video none the less, thanks for posting :D
@TheAnimeAtheist Thanks, glad you liked it. And yeah, I did give them too much time. But I should've stopped caring a long time ago about the arbitrary "fairness" people place on blocking. It's not like I'm stopping people from creating their own videos rebutting mine or anything. But strings of ad hominem in comments are just a waste of space.
@TaylorX04 I don't know if there were actual ad hominems in there, insults yes, but ad hominem i dont know. My general policy is insults are find so long as they come with and pertain to an arguement or counter arguement one makes. But if all your opponent does is insult you without making any real points I find it perfectly fine to block their ass. The best policy I find is to make it clear you will not tolerate simple insults without points and if it contains to ignore and block
@TaylorX04 I watch videos on ancient greece to I just don't talk about why zues isn't real constantly in my free time. Because that would be a moronic waste of time that only a useless piece of shit would partake in.
@Nueronomy That analogy only works because there isn't an overwhelming majority of the world that believes in Zeus and lets it affect public policy. If, on the other hand, we're talking about, say, abortion, you might not think something like the sanctity of life exists, but you wouldn't ridicule people for pointing out WHY it doesn't exist. Your stance against this is anti-intellectual bigotry, nothing else.
@TaylorX04 I think its more interesting that Yahweh used to be known as Eli, and Eli was once one of a pantheism of 3 gods for the early canaanites. Over time they became monotheist and the bible text was written and rewritten as their ideas changed.
@MegaJay79 Oh yeah, I'm particularly fascinating by such things. If you haven't watched "The Bible's Buried Secrets" (BBC documentary, not the NOVA one), I highly recommend it. The Canaanite connection is covered somewhat there, as well as a few unique ideas I haven't heard elsewhere. Plus, the host, Ms. Stavrakopoulou, is as stunning as she is intelligent. ;-)
It's a bit like saying that Saving Private Ryan was 100% true, because the D-Day landings took place.
Writers of fiction commonly reference real places, people or events. This gives the reader a frame of reference to which they can relate the things in the story.
So simple, that even a creationist could understand it. Maybe.
@02:38 "...that skeptics could be wrong..." That's just one of many problems Christian and other religious apologists have: reminding us skeptics of what we've never denied. Of we've been wrong and can, and will be wrong again. The difference is that skeptics admit when we're proved wrong and fix the problem. Apologists deny that they have ever been wrong and simply move the goal post.
@TaylorX04 It amuses me how you de-converted, essentially ending one futile exercise only to replace it with another equally futile pursuit: the unnecessary forensic examination of scripture and history. And you think I have nothing better to do! All this stuff has been done before in far more engaging ways, but it's a dead duck. Christianity and religion has been thoroughly debunked. You are picking low hanging fruit.
@HitMeQuick So you have no interest in examining scripture and history - great. Some of us do. The easy solution is: stop watching my videos. Stop commenting on my videos. Go do what you keep telling me I need to do and find some other use of your time. I'm certainly not forcing you to watch these vids, so you only have yourself to blame for continually being involved in what doesn't interest you. I don't really care for your opinion when you're this uninterested.
@TaylorX04 Don't flatter yourself. Or lie. I've not posted on your videos for months, probably nearer a year. And...you odious cunt, I have studied Christian Theology and biblical exegesis to an academic level that you haven't, under the tutelage of Oxbridge professors. You spend hours, weeks and months on something pointless. And I reserve the right to call you a cunt for doing so. You used to be a religious wanker and now you're a non religious wanker. Accept it.
@HitMeQuick I haven't lied at all. You've decided to bother with my channel again after several months of ignoring it. Why? Because you're a petulant child who thinks himself superior to those who don't see things through his narrow little lens of bullshit. I don't give a fuck where you say you studied, and why would I believe a stranger on YouTube anyway? Call me a cunt all you like - the fact remains that you're continuing to waste time here for no reason. Pretentious twat.
@TaylorX04 Owned. You arrogant prick. Of course, in your mind you're the only one who confronts these issues (in your spare time it should be said). There is nothing quite as nauseating as a de-converted American youth who regales the world with his long-winded journey to enlightenment and his newly found fundamentalist atheism. On fucking Youtube.
@HitMeQuick It's amusing to me how many presumptions some of the elitist atheist assholes like yourself will bring to the table, even about their fellow non-believers. I've never pretended to be saying anything new. John Loftus, Dan Barker, Richard Carrier, Bart Ehrman, and many other people have said these things long before me. But so fucking what? Should music stop because musicians are doing the same things their predecessors did? You are the epitome of pretentious shit.
@HitMeQuick (cont'd) And although you may not have anything better to do, I'm not wasting any more time on you and your vapid garbage. I don't care if you dislike my videos, nor do I care if you continue bitching like a pre-teen girl on my channel. I will just laugh because you're pretending to be disinterested while you rant and rave, but it only makes you the real cunt here.
The dating for Acts is WAY out. Acts doesn't start being quoted until Iraneus in the last decades of the 2nd century. In fact Iraneus initally dismisses the existance of Paul as fiction because there are no records of him and only later on does Acts pop up at which point Iraneus changes his mind. So Acts clearly wasn't in existance until very late on. A reasonable date for acts is 160-180 CE. Check out Xoroasters bible dating series.
I don't think a real history of anything is all facts of anything, faith isn't based on facts, its based on fantasy for children, truth is we are on a planet and have no clue why, stories was made up to calm the children, and later used to control the masses, how many people have died and rose again 3 days later and hang out as a white shimmering spirit, but your free to be as gullible as you want, but I can believe what I want and you the same, if you need fantasy to escape the truth go ahead.
Apologists will cling to the facts only until the facts turn against them, then they will just fall back on faith and scoff at the science that disagrees with them,
Taylor, many of the failed apologist arguments that you expose commit the fallacy of "irrelevant conclusion" (ignoratio elenchi in Latin). Keep up the good work rebutting these worthless arguments!
By their logic New York must be real because Spider Man exists. Ummm...wait...I mean, if Spider Man existed, New York would be in the bible. Right? Anyway, great vid as always, keep it up.
Josephus was an evil man who fudged the dates on Theudas and Judas the Galilean to make the New Testament look foolish. But the part where he wrote about Jesus should be taken as accurate. Take that Bible haters! /sarcasm
Seriously though, it's interesting to see apologists only choose parts of Josephus and other ancient texts that agree with them and ignore the parts that don't.
What I keep running into are people that try especially the new testement to say, "Well the information shown in the new testement is the same kind used by people to accept that ceaser and such existed, that your holding the bible to a higher standards then anything else, if you throw out the bible then you have to throw everything else out.
saying god has to be real because the bible actually mentions historical things is like saying Spiderman has to be real because his comic book did an issue about 9/11.
Jeremiah 33:2-3: "Thus said the Lord ... Call unto me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you know not." Time is running out and this book is not inerrant.
You do very good videos. You make your points, but keep the tone and language respectful. Back in my evangelical Christian apologist days, I looked for documentation of the vast Hittite denial, and couldn’t find any. I also never found the name of the missionary whose son took rock tapes to Africa, and a local shaman said the drum beats were the ones he used to summon demons. I also never got names of the NASA scientists who discovered a missing day in earth’s past.
@Cathmoytura "keep the tone and language respectful" - I will do what I want to do on this channel, but for the most part I think that I do remain civil in my videos/articles. The only time I dish it out is when someone deserves it. I'm a big believer in tit-for-tat. ;-)
@Cathmoytura I too was a long time fundie- bible- thumpin' defender, and I heard no 'tone' or dis-respectful language in this very well done clip. ...of course, that could just be "me".
Excellent breakdown of the historical reliability of the bible. I'd like to add a thought, if I may. Many a theist will point to the historical data the bible gets right as proof that it is correct. These tend to be geographical and biographical facts (Herod was real, Jordan was real, etc). But what elese do they expect? These passages were written in the time period when these people were famous and these places were the centre of the world.
If I were to write a book today about an alien invasion and place it in New York, a future generation that reads it will experience a completely fictional account in a completely non-fictional setting. The setting will lend weight to the narrative, but cannot make that narrative true. It is fiction. Most stories do this in order to make the story more "real" to the reader. I cannot see the bible being any different - write it so it looks like it actually happened.
@AzmodanKijur I actually had another idea for a video while I was working on this one, and it's going to tackle this problem from a similar angle. What exactly would support the idea that the bible is the word of god? Apologists cite scientific and historical accuracies, but I don't think even that is a valid reason for assuming something is the word of the supreme being. The only thing it can boil down to is faith.
How would the Christian Fundamentalists know how old the Hittite archaeological discoveries were in order to tie in with their Biblical Chronology. Just asking.
@pilgrimpater Good question, but the Hittites have been found to exist for a long period of time - 18th to 12th century BCE, and the bible discusses them at several different points on its chronology, so I think they were safe to assume the two lined up (at least at some points).
An outstanding post, sir! Having cited the lack of archeological evidence for several OldTestement claims whilst debating the historical integrity of the bible, your sterling documentation was invigorating.
Christianity would do itself a big favor if it stopped relying on the necessity of literal belief. Perhaps it is best to sell the new testament as "a philosophy of a sacrificial life through narrative". There are many good things about the results of Christianity. But literal belief is a sure path to institutionalized ignorance.
It seems to me that the ancient Israelites lived in a world that they saw as guided by invisible spirits. An historical event was accompanied by competing Gods.
@CHAS1422 Yeah, it's always been interesting to me that the majority of Jews seem to accept that much of the Hebrew scriptures are mythical, yet Christians go to absurd lengths to defend the allegories as historical. I have a hard time finding much to disagree with in the liberal theologies of people like John Shelby Spong too, so I know what you mean about selling the NT as a philosophy through narrative rather than a literal belief.
Well, if we take a look at other ancient texts, such as the Greek religions and myths, many of the places and peoples described were real. However, is that evidence that Zeus is real? Or the old Babylonian texts. They also contain some real historical information, yet attribute daily life happenstances and natural events to their own set of gods. Is that evidence for those gods existence? The list goes on an on. Seems like a case of special pleading to me.
Or as the common comparison points out, the fact that New York exists, and the Spiderman comic books describe it accurately does not mean that the events described, nor Spiderman himself are real. Most fiction takes place in real places, and mentions historically accurate events.
Apart from T's leftwing politics, he puts out some well researched videos. Other than his past contemporary hippy-dippy political interjections (attributed to idealistic youth - I was the same way) I cannot understand why this OP is so underrated. I hope he keeps up the good works.
The bible was written using knowledge that was then current, such as the existance of the hittites. However, many, many works of fiction incorporate actual facts into their narratives. I mean, part of Harry Potter takes place at Kings Cross Station in London. Does not mean that Hogwarts, too, exists...
@dangerouslytalented Exactly. I've never understood how any thinking person can believe that these trivial historical details have any bearing on whether or not the more fantastical claims of the bible are true.
But the bible's claims HAVE been verified time and time again! I do it all the time! Here, look, I'll show you how it's done:
First, recall one of the bible's claims. Second, open up the bible to said claim. Three, ????. Four, profit! off the backs of the gullible idiots who actually believe in the whole 'invisible sky daddy who will burn you for ever but loves you' scheme. Five, the claim made by the bible is in the bible. Victory: bible!
*12 minutes later* throws bible in the garbage, not even recycling bin,
atimor 3 days ago
i didnt even watch this video yet but judging by the amount of likes, it seems like it destroys biblical religions... lets find out
atimor 3 days ago
Fine video, but one thing is glaringly absent: that archaeological evidence strongly suggests that the Exodus story is entirely mythical. There were never any Hebrew slaves in Egypt, they didn't wander the desert for 40 years, and they never conquered any territory in ancient Israel. Without that story, Judaism (and Christianity, of course) falls apart completely.
ianat841 5 days ago
Exceptionally well presented. Thank you.
Mudflappus 4 weeks ago
09:14
Holy Sepulchre
Black Sea deluge theory
still waiting...
VyckRo 1 month ago
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers. 2 Timothy 4:3
KingdomSeeker2012 1 month ago
@KingdomSeeker2012 That is a spot on criticism of Christianity today!
TaylorX04 1 month ago 4
@KingdomSeeker2012 "The Bible cannot use The Bible to support The Bible." ~ Begging The Question
Sloth7d 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
Why is the resurrection historically improbable? Because dead people tend to stay dead.
PirateMonkeyFilmz 1 month ago 7
Nice job.
Kotszu 1 month ago
@Kevra777 No, I'm throwing out insults to MOCK your stupidity, lol. And at least I've made some arguments instead of just responding with a string of lame comebacks as you've done. Now are you going to tuck that tail between your pussy legs and think twice before you speak next time, or do you need the boot?
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 Kevra777 is a homophobic troll. And if you spend 3/4ths of your response to 'tards like him explaining why he's wrong, and then the last bit pointing out how disingenuous he is, that seems pretty modest to me.
Arcexey 1 month ago
@Arcexey Lol, good point.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@Kevra777 Seriously, do you not know that there are different translations for different names in different languages? Why do you think some famous foreign actors change their names? Because as language changes or as your target demographic changes, it's easier to remember names that sit well on the tongue. Any child could understand this, but you continue to throw out cuntish insults to mask your breathtaking stupidity. Lmao.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@Kevra777 Holy fuck, you're retarded. You do realize all of our names can be translated into different languages, right? For example, your name is Shit, which would be Scheisse in German, Mierda in Spanish, and so on. It's really not difficult to grasp unless you have an extremely useless brain occupying your skull.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@Kevra777 This has absolutely nothing to do with the KJV translation. I use the English names for the disciples, Jesus, and so forth, because they're the names most familiar to us today. I'm well aware that Jesus' real name was not Jesus, and I'm fairly certain even the most ignorant believer knows it too. You're barking up the wrong tree, genius.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@Kevra777 This is the dumbest shit I think I've ever read on my videos. You do realize that the bible has been TRANSLATED from its original language, don't you? And you do realize that a name like Matthew comes from the Hebrew name Matiyahu, translated to Matthiaos in Greek, into Matthaeus in Latin, and finally Matthew in English? It's the same with the other names of the New Testament. It doesn't mean the bible was written by fucking white Englishmen, you moron.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 I've seen many christian painting of Jesus and they prove that he was a blond haired,blue eyed white man, Edward Current agrees with me.
bucksmasher1 1 month ago
@bucksmasher1 I have to say, I have never seen these Aryan Jesus pictures, lol. I've seen the brown-haired, blue-eyed Jesus, but not the blond-haired kind.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 Ok you got me. He did have very light brown hair in the paintings not blond but he did have blue eyes and was Caucasian not A-Rab. There are some who claim that the 1st recorded cases of blue eyes in the Middle East were not until 800 years after Jesus. Obviously they are wrong. The paintings don't lie. Your email came in while I was reading an article by Ruth Gledhill titled - Catholic Church No Longer Swears By Truth of The Bible - Jan 8 2012
bucksmasher1 1 month ago
@bucksmasher1 You do realize that the paintings of "Jesus" are biased by whatever race the painter was, right? In Ethiopia, there is a depiction of "Jesus" as an Ethiopian, his hair looking more like the Ethiopians. In Europe, he looks European. But "Jesus" was from the Middle East, therefore he would have had tanned skin, brown eyes, and dark hair. But more than that, we have no actual depiction of "Jesus". And Edward Current is a satirist.
HimesInu 2 weeks ago
@HimesInu I realize all that. Edward Current is one of my favorite atheists. If Jesus had actually existed he would have probably looked like Yassir Arrafat.
bucksmasher1 2 weeks ago
@bucksmasher1 I had to be sure. I've had people, fundies in particular, who are adament that Jesus was a blond haired, blue eyed European-esque person. If I came out as an asshole, I apologize. Reading your comments left me confused as to where you stood on the topic.
HimesInu 2 weeks ago
bucksmasher1
A year or so ago, I don't remember the video, I commented that, if an authentic bust or etching of Jesus was found, and he looked exactly like Arafat, I wonder how Christians would truly react. Would it affect their belief, their faith? How would they feel about jesus then?
Not one Christian ever responded, but I know the answer...they would would simply deny the image was authentic, no matter how much proof was presented. That's what they do whenever their religion is challenged.
Cootabux 2 weeks ago
@Cootabux Every religious book that has ever been printed is a work of fiction.
bucksmasher1 2 weeks ago
@bucksmasher1
Paintings don't lie?
Does that include the numerous paintings from the middle ages which depict what some people claim to be UFOs hovering over jesus during his baptism, crucifixion, and the resurrection??
Paintings are not photographs!
If JC actually existed, and had features that were not Semitic, or Hebraic, don't you think it would be mentioned in scripture?
Cootabux 2 weeks ago
You sound like the guy on the show, 'Big Bang Theory'. lol
miketh2005 1 month ago
@miketh2005 Oh, "the" guy from that show that has like 4 or 5 men in lead roles? Gotcha.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
The 1 dislike is as big as the disliker's penis.
miketh2005 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 Ha! Your right she is and she covered that as well as the true meaning of the Adam & Eve and the lack of evidence for the existence of King David. It should make people question the validity of the bible
MegaJay79 1 month ago
Pretty good job! I would, however, prefer to judge Joshua not on single hit-or-misses, but on the weight of the evidence, which does clearly point to it being composed 623-588 BC. Also, since the fundies can actually twist Jericho City IV to the era of Joshua (by either up-dating Joshua or down-dating Jericho), I would suggest pointing, rather, to the lack of remains [RSHB ware] from Ahab's time (1 Kings 16:34). Also, the references to the Hittites in the Bible likely point to the Neo-Hittites.
againstjebelallawz 1 month ago
@againstjebelallawz Agreed, and that's a great point about Ahab's era that I wish I'd remembered. I'm not too knowledgeable of the Neo-Hittites, but many things in Hebrew scripture are anachronistic, it would seem. In your opinion, are the "Hittites" of the bible a combination of anachronism and the remaining post-Imperial states, or do you think anachronism is less a part of it?
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 -Anachronism relating to which era? I assume a composition of Joshua (and, consequently, his Hittites in 1:4) in the 7th C BC. The Hittites of Joshua clearly belong in North Syria, not Anatolia. The "Hatti-land" (N. Syria) is heard about from the 9th C BC Assyrian texts down to the Neo-Babylonian era. Can you please, even with the limited space YouTube allows, be slightly clearer to what you are referring to?
againstjebelallawz 1 month ago
Lee Strobel makes me laugh. ha
truckcompany 1 month ago
@TaylorX04
zombie parade... lol, awsome. permission to plagiarize?
jujumen 1 month ago
@jujumen Plagiarize away!
TaylorX04 1 month ago
They've found Troy, Troy IS real !!
This proves Achiles had superpowers =)
rgtrab 1 month ago
The bible is true!!! it says so on the bible
TheBigbeanis 1 month ago 3
Pretty good stuff!
flithern 1 month ago
All arguments by geography are the same as arguing for Hinduism with Rama's Bridge to Sri Lanka (among thousands of other religious texts with correct geography).
DeePhlat 1 month ago
Proving god(s) using ancient holy text is like proving Superman with the first comic book issue!
bitphr3ak 1 month ago 3
Troy turned out to be real, so then cyclops, sirens, and hydras must be real too.
zacthebold 1 month ago
just as Christians did to science. They do everything to archaeology, history, and the academia: everything that is consistent w/ the bible is evidence, and everything that is not are false... LMAO
AkasakaS2000 1 month ago
Of course the bible isn't historically accurate. What a silly question. Any education person who cares about the way things are knows that this is just mythical, bronze-aged bullshit.
NikTheJew 1 month ago
@NikTheJew How can you say that? The Bible is a wonderful book.
(Most talking-snake books are pretty good.)
gamesbok 1 month ago
I love it when Christians get their knickers in a twist when you throw away their "magic beans". LOL!!!
Naked4Jesus 1 month ago
this is just getting gay.. stop making atheist videos to say stupidly obvious things it's annoying.
Nueronomy 1 month ago
@Nueronomy Then just don't watch.
Drive down any street in any town any Sunday morning in the US and tell the people filling the churches of these stupidly obvious and annoying things. The great majority of people believe stuplidly obviously false things, and need to be told so in painfully obvious ways.
Zeos314 1 month ago 2
@Nueronomy It can't be more annoying than vague and whiny comments from a 10 year old.
TaylorX04 1 month ago 11
@TaylorX04 No it's much more annoying to listen to insecure morons that need to constantly watch you tube videos to stop themselves from praying.
Go do something with your self that horse has been beaten enough already let it rest.
Nueronomy 1 month ago
@Nueronomy Insecure? I have to watch videos to keep myself from praying? Hahaha, you're as deluded as religious believers. Next thing I know, you'll be accusing me of insecurity and fighting off prayers to Zeus because I love learning about Greek mythology!
I do plenty with myself. Unlike you, I actually create - not just videos, but music and computer programs - instead of wasting all my time posting bitchy comments on YouTube about subjects I claim to have no interest in.
TaylorX04 1 month ago 4
@TaylorX04 of course.. " your as this - as religious people ".
Your a follower, people like you have dragged the term atheism through the mud to the point where it can't be redeemed. " Atheist " used to traditionally be people who thought for themselves, now there is a culture of moronic atheist who cling to support on youtube and waste time rehashing obvious points.
Everybody does things with themselves I am just saying your useless.
Nueronomy 1 month ago
@Nueronomy Oh I see, because I have an interest in things you don't, that makes me a follower and someone who doesn't think for himself? You are the spitting image of the arrogant atheist asshole type that everyone hates. On the contrary, YOU and people like you are the ones dragging the atheist term through the mud with your elitist nonsense. The irony is that you have no arguments - you shun them. All you want to do is ridicule people into disbelief, because you're irrational fucks.
TaylorX04 1 month ago 2
@TaylorX04 O this is halarious.
Listen here retard, your language says it all. You start out by copying exactly what I said but saying that's me, then you go on your self to regard your self as something along the lines of, " The generous shepard guiding his rational sheep into the promised land of reason ". No your just a fucking idiot who makes videos copying exactly what other people say so you can feel the satisfaction of pretending you made points you didn't.
Nueronomy 1 month ago
@Nueronomy I'm going to have to change my no blocking policy. You trolls are pathetic and intolerable, and I have no good reason why I should endure you to placate the anti-blocking crowd. You're done. I have never plagiarized anyone in my videos, and I always give credit where credit is due. So fuck off.
TaylorX04 1 month ago 18
@TaylorX04 After reading through the comments I'm not convinced that they are trolls. Arrogant pricks that talk out of their ass maybe, but not trolls. I also think that you gave them too much of your time to them even if they weren't trolls. However, I did like your video none the less, thanks for posting :D
TheAnimeAtheist 1 month ago
@TheAnimeAtheist Thanks, glad you liked it. And yeah, I did give them too much time. But I should've stopped caring a long time ago about the arbitrary "fairness" people place on blocking. It's not like I'm stopping people from creating their own videos rebutting mine or anything. But strings of ad hominem in comments are just a waste of space.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 I don't know if there were actual ad hominems in there, insults yes, but ad hominem i dont know. My general policy is insults are find so long as they come with and pertain to an arguement or counter arguement one makes. But if all your opponent does is insult you without making any real points I find it perfectly fine to block their ass. The best policy I find is to make it clear you will not tolerate simple insults without points and if it contains to ignore and block
TheAnimeAtheist 1 month ago
@TheAnimeAtheist continues* not contains
TheAnimeAtheist 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 I watch videos on ancient greece to I just don't talk about why zues isn't real constantly in my free time. Because that would be a moronic waste of time that only a useless piece of shit would partake in.
Nueronomy 1 month ago
@Nueronomy That analogy only works because there isn't an overwhelming majority of the world that believes in Zeus and lets it affect public policy. If, on the other hand, we're talking about, say, abortion, you might not think something like the sanctity of life exists, but you wouldn't ridicule people for pointing out WHY it doesn't exist. Your stance against this is anti-intellectual bigotry, nothing else.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 I think its more interesting that Yahweh used to be known as Eli, and Eli was once one of a pantheism of 3 gods for the early canaanites. Over time they became monotheist and the bible text was written and rewritten as their ideas changed.
MegaJay79 1 month ago
@MegaJay79 Oh yeah, I'm particularly fascinating by such things. If you haven't watched "The Bible's Buried Secrets" (BBC documentary, not the NOVA one), I highly recommend it. The Canaanite connection is covered somewhat there, as well as a few unique ideas I haven't heard elsewhere. Plus, the host, Ms. Stavrakopoulou, is as stunning as she is intelligent. ;-)
TaylorX04 1 month ago
It's a bit like saying that Saving Private Ryan was 100% true, because the D-Day landings took place.
Writers of fiction commonly reference real places, people or events. This gives the reader a frame of reference to which they can relate the things in the story.
So simple, that even a creationist could understand it. Maybe.
TychoCelchu 1 month ago 2
@02:38 "...that skeptics could be wrong..." That's just one of many problems Christian and other religious apologists have: reminding us skeptics of what we've never denied. Of we've been wrong and can, and will be wrong again. The difference is that skeptics admit when we're proved wrong and fix the problem. Apologists deny that they have ever been wrong and simply move the goal post.
Kailoa36 1 month ago 5
Point driven home at around 4 minutes, good job!
action302 1 month ago
The Wonder Years guy again...
HitMeQuick 1 month ago
@HitMeQuick You again? You just can't seem to resist commenting on my channel, can you? I guess you have nothing better to do...
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 It amuses me how you de-converted, essentially ending one futile exercise only to replace it with another equally futile pursuit: the unnecessary forensic examination of scripture and history. And you think I have nothing better to do! All this stuff has been done before in far more engaging ways, but it's a dead duck. Christianity and religion has been thoroughly debunked. You are picking low hanging fruit.
HitMeQuick 1 month ago
@HitMeQuick So you have no interest in examining scripture and history - great. Some of us do. The easy solution is: stop watching my videos. Stop commenting on my videos. Go do what you keep telling me I need to do and find some other use of your time. I'm certainly not forcing you to watch these vids, so you only have yourself to blame for continually being involved in what doesn't interest you. I don't really care for your opinion when you're this uninterested.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 Don't flatter yourself. Or lie. I've not posted on your videos for months, probably nearer a year. And...you odious cunt, I have studied Christian Theology and biblical exegesis to an academic level that you haven't, under the tutelage of Oxbridge professors. You spend hours, weeks and months on something pointless. And I reserve the right to call you a cunt for doing so. You used to be a religious wanker and now you're a non religious wanker. Accept it.
HitMeQuick 1 month ago
@HitMeQuick I haven't lied at all. You've decided to bother with my channel again after several months of ignoring it. Why? Because you're a petulant child who thinks himself superior to those who don't see things through his narrow little lens of bullshit. I don't give a fuck where you say you studied, and why would I believe a stranger on YouTube anyway? Call me a cunt all you like - the fact remains that you're continuing to waste time here for no reason. Pretentious twat.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 Owned. You arrogant prick. Of course, in your mind you're the only one who confronts these issues (in your spare time it should be said). There is nothing quite as nauseating as a de-converted American youth who regales the world with his long-winded journey to enlightenment and his newly found fundamentalist atheism. On fucking Youtube.
HitMeQuick 1 month ago
@HitMeQuick It's amusing to me how many presumptions some of the elitist atheist assholes like yourself will bring to the table, even about their fellow non-believers. I've never pretended to be saying anything new. John Loftus, Dan Barker, Richard Carrier, Bart Ehrman, and many other people have said these things long before me. But so fucking what? Should music stop because musicians are doing the same things their predecessors did? You are the epitome of pretentious shit.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 Let it amuse you, Wonder Years. No one does it quite as boringly as you, that I can tell you.
HitMeQuick 1 month ago
@HitMeQuick Oh and the Wonder Years thing - so creative. No wonder you Brits are known for your terribly dry wit.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@HitMeQuick (cont'd) And although you may not have anything better to do, I'm not wasting any more time on you and your vapid garbage. I don't care if you dislike my videos, nor do I care if you continue bitching like a pre-teen girl on my channel. I will just laugh because you're pretending to be disinterested while you rant and rave, but it only makes you the real cunt here.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
The dating for Acts is WAY out. Acts doesn't start being quoted until Iraneus in the last decades of the 2nd century. In fact Iraneus initally dismisses the existance of Paul as fiction because there are no records of him and only later on does Acts pop up at which point Iraneus changes his mind. So Acts clearly wasn't in existance until very late on. A reasonable date for acts is 160-180 CE. Check out Xoroasters bible dating series.
ketsan 1 month ago
I don't think a real history of anything is all facts of anything, faith isn't based on facts, its based on fantasy for children, truth is we are on a planet and have no clue why, stories was made up to calm the children, and later used to control the masses, how many people have died and rose again 3 days later and hang out as a white shimmering spirit, but your free to be as gullible as you want, but I can believe what I want and you the same, if you need fantasy to escape the truth go ahead.
freepress666 1 month ago
Thanks for posting, good video!
bary1234 1 month ago
Apologists will cling to the facts only until the facts turn against them, then they will just fall back on faith and scoff at the science that disagrees with them,
TitenSxull 1 month ago
Taylor, many of the failed apologist arguments that you expose commit the fallacy of "irrelevant conclusion" (ignoratio elenchi in Latin). Keep up the good work rebutting these worthless arguments!
WhelandNorm 1 month ago
You pronounce revolt like a verb rather than noun even when using it as a noun (cf record ie re-cord and rec-ord) - just saying
Artifactorfiction 1 month ago
@Artifactorfiction Yeah, I know, lol. I think its the Texan accent plus a bad habit of saying it that way since I was young. :-p
TaylorX04 1 month ago
Allah was the first.
Mee551able 1 month ago
@Mee551able The first to what? Sanction pedophilia for his prophets?
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 the first god
Mee551able 1 month ago
@Mee551able And what evidence do you have for this belief of yours?
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 It is on the computer type in the fierst god
Mee551able 1 month ago
@Mee551able And you believe anything you read on the internet?
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 Sorry, Islam came quite a ways after Jesus supposedly died
slickwick45 1 month ago
@Mee551able Nope, Mickey Mouse was the first.
dioseolo 1 month ago
By their logic New York must be real because Spider Man exists. Ummm...wait...I mean, if Spider Man existed, New York would be in the bible. Right? Anyway, great vid as always, keep it up.
agnosticsalvation 1 month ago
Spider-Man takes place in New York City. NYC is a real place, therefore Spider-Man is real. :D
MagnusIan 1 month ago 2
@MagnusIan You're like the 5th person to make that joke now, lol.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 here's an older,therefore more reliable,yet unoriginal joke.
Zeus lived in Olympus. Mt. Olympus is in Greece, therefore Zeus exists.
eat666shit 1 month ago
Josephus was an evil man who fudged the dates on Theudas and Judas the Galilean to make the New Testament look foolish. But the part where he wrote about Jesus should be taken as accurate. Take that Bible haters! /sarcasm
Seriously though, it's interesting to see apologists only choose parts of Josephus and other ancient texts that agree with them and ignore the parts that don't.
GuineaPigDan 1 month ago
@GuineaPigDan You better watch what you say or you might give Christians some ideas, lol.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
What I keep running into are people that try especially the new testement to say, "Well the information shown in the new testement is the same kind used by people to accept that ceaser and such existed, that your holding the bible to a higher standards then anything else, if you throw out the bible then you have to throw everything else out.
wolfwing1 1 month ago
saying god has to be real because the bible actually mentions historical things is like saying Spiderman has to be real because his comic book did an issue about 9/11.
wakeangel2001 1 month ago
Man, I wish that you were my history teacher
clandestine919 1 month ago
Jeremiah 33:2-3: "Thus said the Lord ... Call unto me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you know not." Time is running out and this book is not inerrant.
Dwicker64 1 month ago 2
Can't wait to be an archaeologist and debunk these creationists in my spare time.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 1 month ago
You do very good videos. You make your points, but keep the tone and language respectful. Back in my evangelical Christian apologist days, I looked for documentation of the vast Hittite denial, and couldn’t find any. I also never found the name of the missionary whose son took rock tapes to Africa, and a local shaman said the drum beats were the ones he used to summon demons. I also never got names of the NASA scientists who discovered a missing day in earth’s past.
Cathmoytura 1 month ago
@Cathmoytura "keep the tone and language respectful" - I will do what I want to do on this channel, but for the most part I think that I do remain civil in my videos/articles. The only time I dish it out is when someone deserves it. I'm a big believer in tit-for-tat. ;-)
TaylorX04 1 month ago 4
@Cathmoytura I too was a long time fundie- bible- thumpin' defender, and I heard no 'tone' or dis-respectful language in this very well done clip. ...of course, that could just be "me".
LordSauceness 1 month ago
Spider man exists because New York does as well.
JJPHILLYLG 1 month ago 18
We've discovered the city of Troy. Hail Poseidon!
Rushlimpballs 1 month ago
Excellent breakdown of the historical reliability of the bible. I'd like to add a thought, if I may. Many a theist will point to the historical data the bible gets right as proof that it is correct. These tend to be geographical and biographical facts (Herod was real, Jordan was real, etc). But what elese do they expect? These passages were written in the time period when these people were famous and these places were the centre of the world.
AzmodanKijur 1 month ago
@AzmodanKijur
If I were to write a book today about an alien invasion and place it in New York, a future generation that reads it will experience a completely fictional account in a completely non-fictional setting. The setting will lend weight to the narrative, but cannot make that narrative true. It is fiction. Most stories do this in order to make the story more "real" to the reader. I cannot see the bible being any different - write it so it looks like it actually happened.
AzmodanKijur 1 month ago
@AzmodanKijur I actually had another idea for a video while I was working on this one, and it's going to tackle this problem from a similar angle. What exactly would support the idea that the bible is the word of god? Apologists cite scientific and historical accuracies, but I don't think even that is a valid reason for assuming something is the word of the supreme being. The only thing it can boil down to is faith.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
Jericho existed therefore Joshua led the Jews to destroy the city by blowing trumpets on it..
kjmoon21 1 month ago
4:05 --- I've used that argument many times. The response is always some version of "That story isn't in the bible, so it doesn't count."
BibleThumpingAtheist 1 month ago
@BibleThumpingAtheist Then their approach is simply special pleading.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
There was a New York doesn’t mean there was a Spiderman.
darkblood626 1 month ago
good video.
saintpine 1 month ago in playlist Debunk Christianity
How would the Christian Fundamentalists know how old the Hittite archaeological discoveries were in order to tie in with their Biblical Chronology. Just asking.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pilgrimpater Good question, but the Hittites have been found to exist for a long period of time - 18th to 12th century BCE, and the bible discusses them at several different points on its chronology, so I think they were safe to assume the two lined up (at least at some points).
TaylorX04 1 month ago
Thanks for your continued lucid analysis
michalchik 1 month ago
you really should compile some of these videos into book form! Excellent.
kalsolarUK 1 month ago
An outstanding post, sir! Having cited the lack of archeological evidence for several OldTestement claims whilst debating the historical integrity of the bible, your sterling documentation was invigorating.
Faved and subbed.
KCKatheist 1 month ago
Christianity would do itself a big favor if it stopped relying on the necessity of literal belief. Perhaps it is best to sell the new testament as "a philosophy of a sacrificial life through narrative". There are many good things about the results of Christianity. But literal belief is a sure path to institutionalized ignorance.
It seems to me that the ancient Israelites lived in a world that they saw as guided by invisible spirits. An historical event was accompanied by competing Gods.
CHAS1422 1 month ago
@CHAS1422 Yeah, it's always been interesting to me that the majority of Jews seem to accept that much of the Hebrew scriptures are mythical, yet Christians go to absurd lengths to defend the allegories as historical. I have a hard time finding much to disagree with in the liberal theologies of people like John Shelby Spong too, so I know what you mean about selling the NT as a philosophy through narrative rather than a literal belief.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
Well, if we take a look at other ancient texts, such as the Greek religions and myths, many of the places and peoples described were real. However, is that evidence that Zeus is real? Or the old Babylonian texts. They also contain some real historical information, yet attribute daily life happenstances and natural events to their own set of gods. Is that evidence for those gods existence? The list goes on an on. Seems like a case of special pleading to me.
TempleOfInanna2 1 month ago 17
@TempleOfInanna2
Or as the common comparison points out, the fact that New York exists, and the Spiderman comic books describe it accurately does not mean that the events described, nor Spiderman himself are real. Most fiction takes place in real places, and mentions historically accurate events.
TheNakedAtheist 1 month ago
Apart from T's leftwing politics, he puts out some well researched videos. Other than his past contemporary hippy-dippy political interjections (attributed to idealistic youth - I was the same way) I cannot understand why this OP is so underrated. I hope he keeps up the good works.
FaganRoberts 1 month ago
The bible was written using knowledge that was then current, such as the existance of the hittites. However, many, many works of fiction incorporate actual facts into their narratives. I mean, part of Harry Potter takes place at Kings Cross Station in London. Does not mean that Hogwarts, too, exists...
dangerouslytalented 1 month ago 17
@dangerouslytalented Exactly. I've never understood how any thinking person can believe that these trivial historical details have any bearing on whether or not the more fantastical claims of the bible are true.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@dangerouslytalented Hogwarts does exist and don't you dare say different.
sfm073 1 month ago
Excellent video. If believers want something to be true, and you add a sprinkle of truth, it becomes hard evidence.
bonnie43uk 1 month ago
But the bible's claims HAVE been verified time and time again! I do it all the time! Here, look, I'll show you how it's done:
First, recall one of the bible's claims. Second, open up the bible to said claim. Three, ????. Four, profit! off the backs of the gullible idiots who actually believe in the whole 'invisible sky daddy who will burn you for ever but loves you' scheme. Five, the claim made by the bible is in the bible. Victory: bible!
I think your video's overly complicated, Taylor.
EdwardHowton 1 month ago 5
@EdwardHowton I like that you've taken your steps for verifying the bible from the Underpants Gnomes.
TaylorX04 1 month ago
@TaylorX04 Is that where the meme got started? Friggen South Park? Damn, I may now have to strike the joke from my repertoire...
But let's be fair: a lot of religious arguments could have been taken from entities such as Underpants Gnomes.
EdwardHowton 1 month ago