Kuk Sool Won Open Hand History - Gene Gause #18

[TheKiosanim]

Maestro Young Oh Lee!

[mardekan]

We need more practice.KSN



[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

So tell me about mu sool won.

Is it American martial art?

[KSJoshWhite]

I'm going to use this to post for both "Buffon" and "Haedong KumDo": what is the matter with you two? Every martial art helped to inspire another! To attack just Korean arts is not only childish it is completely retarded. Have you studied Hwa Rang Do or Kuk Sool Won? If you have, you'd know that they are MODERN martial arts and are advertised as such! That's like attacking Krav Maga for being modern...it's stupid! I am not going to list all 31 arts becaue they are listed on the internet. Find it

[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

@KSJoshWhite hi,a member of korean thieves ring.i am learning aikido,then i can say for a fact that the techniques of Kuk Sool Won are mixed by haphazard with aikido and Chinese wushu.i am studying why korean like on every day. you will have serious injure if you would continue playing such a ridiculous techniques.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

@KSJoshWhite

1.

"you'd know that they are MODERN martial arts and are advertised as such!"

Lie. Google the term "Kuk Sool Won". You will get the slogan "Traditional Korean Martial Arts - Kuk Sool Won". This advertising slogan is displayed by the picture of the guru, too.

kuksoolwon(.)com/site/home

And the "HISTORY" in the official site alludes to KSW as a martial art born in 2707 BC. That is talking bullshit from top to bottom.

kuksoolwon(.)com/site/history

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

2.

"what is the matter with you two?"

First, people who don't know that martial art didn't exist in Korea read the Web page and sign up for the KSW courses. It's natural for the bogus group to be blamed.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

3.

Second, KSW prettifies their fabricated history by debauching Japan.

The official site says "Existing records in Japan suggest that many KoongJoong MuSool techniques found their way there and gave birth to the Japanese art of Jujitsu."

What are the "Existing records"? I already asked you in other thread but no reply.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

4.

Also the official site says "During this period almost all aspects of Korean culture were suppressed by the Japanese government, including the teaching of Korean martial arts. Those caught practicing Korean martial arts were severely punished and killed, and many leading Korean martial arts instructors were forced into hiding."

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

5.

Baloney. Koreans always say Japan banned the Korean culture, but no one can ban anything that isn't there. What the Japan's government banned were not martial arts, but the barbaric customs such as tortures or their caste system. In other thread I already confronted you with that fake article but no reply. Japanese can't overlook such contempt.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

6.

"To attack just Korean arts is not only childish it is completely retarded."

As I wrote, the guys attacking Japanese are KSW leaders such as you and In Hyuk Suh. Me and Buffon just refute KSW's baloney. Which is "childish" and "retarded"?

"Every martial art helped to inspire another!"

At least Japanese and Chinese martial arts were uninfluenced at all by Koreans since traditional Korean martial arts didn't exist. It is no use expressing in abstract terms.

[KSJoshWhite]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie I'll reply to all these in one easy answer: true to all! Kuk Sool Won advertises itself as a very ancient martial art but advertising helps pay the bills, doesn't it? As for me, I admit what most Korean arts are: a mixture of Chinese and Japanese arts with Koreas own personality put into it. I personally never denied that but what Kuk Sool Won does is it's own thing. As for "existing records" I'm not Korean so I don't own them. LOL Sorry, you'll have to talk to a Korean!

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

2.

"I'm not Korean so I don't own them. LOL Sorry, you'll have to talk to a Korean!"

You asked us "what is the matter with you two?", so I just answered the question. Usually, you desperately speak for Koreans, saying things like "Muye Dobo Tong Ji, Sipalki, bla bla bla..." But when something works against your interest, you get away saying "you'll have to talk to a Korean!". You are a KSW instructor even if you are not Korean. Research it. It's enough to just ask In Hyuk Suh, isn't it?

[KSJoshWhite]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie LOL You misunderstand sir! That is what Mu Sool/Kuk Sool is made up of. Sipalki (Chinese), Muye24Ban (Japanese/Chines), Wing Chun (Chinese), Hapkido (Japanese), etc. What I meant with "whats the matter with you two" is this: why do you feel the need to attack people on youtube? This is honestly the most I've ever written on a computer outside of paperwork and it just seems uncecessary. A phone call would do, no? Where are you located? What is your school webpage?

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

Five years ago, on March 15, 2006, the town, about 80 miles northwest of Baghdad, made headlines after U.S. troops were accused of executing at least 10 residents, including a 74-year-old woman and a five-month-old baby. The American military, then and now, has steadfastly rejected responsibility for the killings.

[KSJoshWhite]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie LMAO Who's attacking you? I swear, everything I read about you or see about you is nothing but anger and hate. Once again: I completely agree with what your saying. But attacking people from behind on youtube (of all places) just seems a little less than what you are (though honestly I don't know if you own/operate your own school or even teach for that matter). I'm not a fan of straight up lying as many Korean arts are known to do and thankfully I'm not part of Kuk Sool Won.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

@KSJoshWhite

1.

"Who's attacking you?"

KSW's official site is attacking Japanese. Don't make me repeat myself.

Quote: "During this period almost all aspects of Korean culture were suppressed by the Japanese government, including the teaching of Korean martial arts. Those caught practicing Korean martial arts were severely punished and killed, and many leading Korean martial arts instructors were forced into hiding."

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

2.

You are a instructor of KSW.

wix(.)com/mswfortsmith/mu-sool­-won

How do you answer, if you are asked the content of the official site from your students? Research the articles.

[KSJoshWhite]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie MU Sool Won not KUK Sool Won. We don't spew lies about ancient Korea being the center of it all. At my school, and you can ask any of my students this, I teach that the joint locking comes from Japan and many of our forms and weapons come from China. I am very open minded about where our stuff comes from and in the past I did believe the Korean propoganda. I am in agreement with you sir that factual information is most important.

[KSJoshWhite]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie Sorry for the misunderstanding again (I'm not very good at typing what I mean); I am not attacking you. However...I don't think you can deny that Japan was excessively burtal in it's campaign for ultimate power in the East? There are countless photos of Japanese executing innocent civilians and even Japanese soldiers stabbing babies and putting them on their bayonets posing for a picture. Is it so hard to believe Japan did the same to Korea? War is awful but theres a limit.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

@KSJoshWhite

1.

A naive guy like you easily believe propaganda. I said "What the Japan's government banned were not martial arts, but the barbaric customs such as tortures or their caste system." Before the Japanese protectorate and annexation, the Joseon Dynasty was in a disastrous situation. That was very similar to current North Korea, but was much worse than NK. The people were starving and living in human waste.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

2.

Watch @0:37, @0:43, @1:16, and @1:30. That's before the Japanese annexation.

/watch?v=wq3PpeMbfrY

Next, watch this film showing Korea during the Japanese annexation period in 1931, which was taken by a certain American.

/watch?v=j5GegF6XcgE

"Is it so hard to believe Japan did the same to Korea? War is awful but theres a limit."

Japan and Korea didn't have a war.

[KSJoshWhite]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie What was a friendly conversation just turned nasty and I don't understand why. I said before: I DON'T believe the propoganda. Each nation has its own propaganda and I don't buy into any of it. Look at Germany during ww2: I'm FROM Germany and I don't buy it! LOL Now, I have seen videos about the Joseon Dynasty and it's horrid state. That's wonderful. But why are so many reports out on Japanese cruelty? That's a serious question, by the way, and not an attack.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

German descent.

So what?

I know when some -not so smart- Ames get away from criticism they use the ancestors' nationality.

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle Not ancestors. I still maintain German Citizenship and I am currently a legal resident in the United States of America. LOL Man, you really are ignorant, aren't you? I would absolutely love to meet you face to face.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

The leaked state department memo, dated 27 March, 12 days after the incident, says that the US mission in Geneva had received a letter from Alston, the UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions. In his letter, Alston said he had received various reports on the killings, and the dead included Faiz Hratt Khalaf, 28, his wife, three children, his mother, sister, two nieces, a three-year-old and a visiting relative.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

But a newly released State Department cable from WikiLeaks reveals a United Nations’ official in 2006 endorsed Iraqi claims that the U.S. was responsible for the massacre, which followed a firefight between U.S. troops and someone inside a house. All of those killed were handcuffed and shot in the head, including four women and five children aged five or younger.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

If you want to talk about human brutality and war, I take the bite here.

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle That's all well and good (and that was actually my point; all nations have blood on their hands) but what I'm talkign about is Japan vs Korea. In my opinion, I don't really give a damn who hates who but for Japan to say "oh no, we didn't do anything wrong" is utter bull and anyone with more than three brain cells knows that. Their hold on Korea, China, and the rest of Asia was anything but kind and caring and they slaughtered any that opposed them. War sucks. But don't deny it.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

I'm talking about is war human brutality and war that you brought here.

I don't really give a damn who hates who but for American to say "oh no, we didn't do anything wrong" is utter bull and anyone with more than three brain cells knows that.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

What you are saying is funny.

Just replace Japan to America in your words, it makes sense really.

For example, you guys erased islands in south pacific by nukes in 50s but people were only taught how US helping Marshall Islands.

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle "You guys"? I'm not American. Sorry. However, America did level Japan pretty darn well. But that's all you people see, isn't? Coming to a state dinner, swearing friendship and happiness then attacking Pearl Harbor without warning doesn't come to mind. But those two nukes...man. Just wrong....

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

You are American I know.

Chicken.

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle LMAO No, sorry, 100% German. However, speaking of "chicken", I believe this will be the third time I offer for you to come to my school to see who is "childish" or "chicken". So far you have said nothing. I guess your people are just cowards after all.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

Are you ashamed of beaing American?

Your English has no German accent.

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle (o.0) That's because we're typing and not actually talking? I have lived in America and went to the schools here long enough to write english well enough (though sometimes I mess up). And you still avoid it again: no challenge? You dont' want to come to my school? LMAO Coward...your people must be ashamed of you.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

I checked you on your video and your English had no German accent.

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle Really? That's not uncommon. I have friends who live in the area that were born in Germany and speak full German but they don't have much, if any, of an accent. An accent doesn't mean your from another nation, it's where your born, your citizenship, being able to speak your tounge, etc.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

I don't trust who make excuse for obvious lie.

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle And I still don't really care what a coward has to say. (^.~)

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

But you can't stop reading my comments.LOL

[BuffonSarutobi]

Monks on mountain and martial arts story is probably Japanese influence.

Japan had monk warriors, the famous one was monks in Enryaku-ji, Mt Hiei.

Siege of Hiei is a famous episode during Nobunaga's rule.

[BuffonSarutobi]

Interesting comment from Bullshido.

"Koreans, especially kuksool grandmaster Suh, are very nationalistic and somewhat anti-Japanese. One of my kuksool classmates got chastised once for his kiai/kiop sounding too much like "Ha-SAH!"--which sounded "too Japanese". What I don't like is how people learned from Young Sool Choi (founder of hapkido I guess), then downplay his influence. And in my mind, this is because he taught a JAPANESE art. None of the Koreans would admit strong foreign influences.

[BuffonSarutobi]

"it's like these Korean guys downplay their training with Choi, then state that they learned everything else they know from some "monk on the mountain." If this were true, why do kuksool, hapkido, and hwarangdo look alike? And it don't have anything to do with any monks living on the mountains! Kuk Sool Won was founded in 1958. "

[BuffonSarutobi]

Kuksool schools look like cults because they share many attributes with cults.

1) undying loyalty to the WKSA and the Grandmaster.

2) you are NOT allowed to study other styles.

3) The head instructor of any given school acts as high priest to an infallible source of knowledge.



[BuffonSarutobi]

4) Endless ritual--designed to replace thinking and keep people from questioning the validity and truthfulness of what they're doing.

5) Everyone is trying to kiss the Grandmaster's butt and he can't be questioned. Those who do question him too much leave kuksool--like Grandmaster's brother InSunSeo and countless other arts

[KSJoshWhite]

@BuffonSarutobi Kuk Sool Won was responsible for much of Hwa Rang Do forms/techniques. These masters did have "monks on a mountain" as teachers because it is common place for people to train at temples in Korea. However, look up the Han Kuk Sool Hap Hyul Hwe and tell me what you find: all the major practicioners of Korean arts trained together and eventually broke up. How Hwa Rang Do, Kuk Sool Won, and Kuk Sool Kwan precieve the material is unique to each system. You got to stop worrying so much

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

@KSJoshWhite

What is the Hwa Rang Do (花郎道)? The way of made-up dancers?

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

"These masters did have "monks on a mountain" as teachers because it is common place for people to train at temples in Korea."

Who went all the way to the top of the mountains to learn martial arts from monks? The social stratification of Joseon era is about as follows: 両班 (yangban) - 中人 (chungin) - 常民 (sangmin) - 賎民 (chunmin〔for example, 奴婢 (nobi), 巫堂 (mudang) or 白丁 (baekjeong)〕)

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

Yangban is the ruling class. It's like there were a lot of Kim Jong Il. Chungin is government employee. Sangmin is farmer. Yangban and Chungin exploited Sangmin. Sangmin were always starving. A monk belonged to Chunmin. Chunmin is the depressed class / lowermost layer / social pariah. They were at the bottom of the pyramid.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

In all kinds of occupations, the position situated below a monk was only 白丁 (baekjeong). After the Joseon era, almost all of the Buddhist temples were destroyed, and the rest of those were moved to in the mountains. Monks went down mountains only if the government ordered them to gather for its construction works. Who went all the way to the top of the mountains to learn martial arts from monks?

[BuffonSarutobi]

@KSJoshWhite

Hwa Rang Do is also modern fabrication.

There was no historical record that mentioned HwarangDO.

"Hwarang is not a group of warriors but of handsome boys. Sesok Oh-Kye (Hwarang's five disciplines during Shilla) had nothing to do with Hwarang, and it was a set of norms for every day life of common people,"　Prof Shin Bok Ryong

[BuffonSarutobi]

@KSJoshWhite

Hwarang [花郎] stands for Flower Boys

There are scarce historical data about Hwarang. No text written during Silla era survives. Main resources are three books: Samguk Sagi (1145), Haedong Goseungjeon (1215), and Samguk Yusa (1284).

[BuffonSarutobi]

@KSJoshWhite

Samguk Sagi, the oldest history book in Korea.

There is only an episode of Hwarang in Silla Bon-gi. It describes the origin of Hwarang briefly. The first term referred to Hwarang is "Wonhwa," and Hwarang was not male at first. The first members of Wonhwa were two women: Nammo and Junjeong. During the years of King Jinheung's reign, they were chosen by the king and soon had about 300 followers. But when Junjeong killed Nammo out of jealousy, Wonhwa was abolished.

[BuffonSarutobi]

@KSJoshWhite

Hereupon Samguk Sagi says that the king mustered young boys who looked good, made them wear makeup and decorated beautifully, and called them Hwarang. They were given freedom. Among them excellent persons were chosen and recommended to the court.

original texts

其後、_取美貌男子、粧飾之、名花_以奉之。徒衆雲集、或相磨以­道義、或相_以歌樂、遊_山水、無遠不至。因此知其人邪正、擇其­善者、薦之於朝

[BuffonSarutobi]

@KSJoshWhite

Monks on mountain trained MA is another popular made-up in Korea.

Lee dynasty Korea was country of Confucianism, Buddhism had been suppressed and monitored.

King Sejong destroyed all Buddhist temples except 18 temples.

If the 18 temples were doing military activity like training martial arts, they'd get cracked down.

[BuffonSarutobi]

Kuk Sool Won 国術院 was probably named after Guoshu Institute 国術館 China.

Yes, KSW is very new one like all other Korean martial arts.

[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

why the uniform is white or lightness,even cooking chef wear white,since cleanliness is needed for bodily exercise and martial art as manner.even the older and exhausted uniform,keeping clean and washing is for mind that is important.

[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

basically,yellow and gold is noble for emperor or monks in china.however its mean meanness and betrayal from Judah of isukarionte in EU. korea was colonized by china for 1000 year till 1910,their king could wearied only red color.gold is vain splendor color,its not appropriate since and dragon,shenlong(神龍)is originated chinese,why korea are stolen any other culture???

[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

white and black belt are accepted in karate,judo,aikido.but its for getting behind the danger that the expert do not play in abandon with beginner.its ruled that any instructor must not be proud their cathedra with the unique uniform chickenshit.

[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

its not martial art anymore,cult using martial art to get money.firstly,the rule of uniform is very funny.the crimp is colored by degree,silver,red,gold.Surpris­ingly,grandmaster can swear that All Gold Dobok(wang-sa) with twin dragon emblems...what that???martial art is not the method to be bossy for other people and students.

[KSJoshWhite]

@sakura0jp0aikidodesu Japan adopted certain weapons and fighting strategies during the Mongolian invasion. They adopted firearms from the Portugese (if memory serves correct). So saying that anyone can "steal" martial arts is just a sad and weak argument. Let's take Woon Hak Hyung as an example: there is a Korean Hung Gar style martial arts that this was taken from. Now, I have seen this form (Tiger Crane) preformed at LEAST 100 different ways. Which way is correct? WHO CARES!

[taihuu25go]

@KSJoshWhite

It is necessary for you to learn the Asian history.

For a Korean, martial arts and the religion are business.

And the Korean is particular about profit and authority.

For their authority and profit, they strongly insist on a lie as a fact.

Therefore it is not shame for them that they spread it around to the world saying , "the origin is Korea" after they copied the martial arts of other countries. Rather, in Korea, it is praised.

[KSJoshWhite]

@taihuu25go Once again you lack any point what so ever. That's the same thing as saying that Jewish people praise money over anything else yada yada yada. I know Koreans that aren't like you described. There are Japanese Karate Masters in MY are that have told me that the Japanese invented the spear. These Masters are FROM Japan. Am I to think poorly of all the Japanese? Once again: it doesn't matter where the material came from only how it's interpeted. Koreans view certain arts uniquely.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

@KSJoshWhite "There are Japanese Karate Masters in MY are that have told me that the Japanese invented the spear. These Masters are FROM Japan."

What are their names? And tell me the dojos address. I will ask them about that.

[taihuu25go]

@taihuu25go

For Korean martial arts master, authority as Master and a contribution and the respect from a student are their status.

Therefore they make a new group, and they expect that they dominate students as Master.

Korea seems to have it more than 200 only in a group of hapkido.

They seem to do only suit each other between haokido groups.

In other words they fight for hegemony each other.

As a result.

As for them, it was stopped support from the government.

[taihuu25go]

@taihuu25go

In Kuk Sool Won, I heard that all of the whole families of the founder was the highest authority.

I know the group similar to it.

They are recognized as a terrorist in U.S.A.

The name of the group "is OMU".

They are famous by having performed indiscriminate murder terrorism with the poisonous gas.

In "OMU", the family of the founder was treated as a saint from a beginning.

I feel cult characteristics like "OMU" in Kuk Sool Won.

[taihuu25go]

@KSJoshWhite

"There are Japanese Karate Masters in MY are that have told me that the Japanese invented the spear." 」

The stupid name of Japanese?

His Ryuha?

He teaches it wherever.

I am not surprised that he misrepresents taekwondo with karate even if he teaches people it.

The small patriotism for the Korean.

「You will say in this way when you did a crime in a foreign country .

"I am a JAPANESE"」

This broadcasts it as "small patriotism" in Korean TV.

[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

Kuk Sool Won is korean fabricated art that "selling counterfeit martial arts"its deformed Chinese Wushu,tai-chi(太極拳),shaolin(少林寺­) kun-fu basically and mixed with trivial copied the grappling technic of aikido(合気道) jyujutsu(柔術),karate（空手）by shallow cleverness....fraud Korean.

[KSJoshWhite]

@sakura0jp0aikidodesu Mmmm...not sure what your point here is. Much of Shaolin Kung Fu came from India so I'm wondering who the thieves really are? And the same goes for Okinawa? Horrible! LOL Martial arts adpats over time. In Hyuk Suh KSN studied over 31 martial arts that were in Korea during the 1950's. On his website he says "asian" not "Korean" martial arts. Much of what Korea did was inspired by China and modified to fit their topography. Though it looks the same it has its own principles.

[BuffonSarutobi]

@KSJoshWhite

>. Much of Shaolin Kung Fu came from India

That's a myth, not historical fact.

There is no record or evidence that Darumadaishi was teaching Kunfu.

[BuffonSarutobi]

@KSJoshWhite

>On his website he says "asian" not "Korean" martial arts.

Well then he should have named it 亜術院 instead of 国術院.

Don't you think?

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

@KSJoshWhite "In Hyuk Suh KSN studied over 31 martial arts that were in Korea during the 1950's."

Please list all the 31 martial arts here.

[BuffonSarutobi]

@sakura0jp0aikidodesu

Some Chinese martial art practitioners say Bājíquán style can be found in KSW.

And I received an email from this guy who's been practiced KSW for a longtime, he said KSW used to be just another name of Hapkido(Aikido copy).

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

That's a Korean cult, not a martial art. Kuk Sool Won does not appear in any historical record of Japan, China, the West, or even Korea. It's just a fabricated tradition.

[BuffonSarutobi]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie

Martial Arts and Cult

watch?v=mAQ93XIXCwA

[KSJoshWhite]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie As, to be honest, weird as this was I feel I have to remove myself from this conversation. I'm vastly outmatched by the sheer animosity behind what appears to be anti-anything-but-Japan and since I'm not Korean, or a member of Kuk Sool Won, I have no stake in this argument. I use whatever works and I don't buy into the whole "ancient Korean" history since most of it came from China or Japan. I enjoy videos and will continue to surf but will deffinitely no longer comment.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

@KSJoshWhite

1.

"I'm vastly outmatched by the sheer animosity behind what appears to be anti-anything-but-Japan"

I just can't understand why you arrived at the conclusion. There was a "anti-Japan" con man named In Hyuk Suh. He was talking a bunch of nonsense. His story was full of "animosity" especially against Japan. So Japanese exposed his lies with concrete sources, although that's a lot of hassle.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

2.

You appeared there and one-sidedly talked about Korean fabrication without sources.

/watch?v=HASQCfvjZA4

Unsurprisingly, Japanese talked you down in a breeze because KSW's story was a bunch of baloney from the beginning. That's that.

"As, to be honest, weird as this was I feel I have to remove myself from this conversation."

I will say this again, I just can't understand why you arrived at the conclusion.

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

3.

If you leave KSW threads, let me add a few words to conclude. KSW uses the word "ninja" in order to draw kids' attention. That's in the lower left-hand corner of the page.

kswcbl(.)co(.)uk/

Ninja has nothing to do with Korea or KSW. Of course there has been no Choson Ninja. Tell In Hyuk Suh and UK leaders about it.

[KSJoshWhite]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie As in Little Ninja's? Are you serious? It's an ADVERTSING ploy to get kids into classes! Like Little Dragons...do you actually think the kids become Dragons? Or how about Little Tigers? That most obviously mean that they learn ancient Shaolin Tiger Kung Fu, right? I mean, it has the word "Tiger" in it so...yeah....makes sense. I'm not sure where your from but America uses anything to get in the "customers" to their schools.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

Are KSW instructors all childish like you?

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle I'm not sure since I'm not KSW. However, you can always step away from the computer and come to my school and find out. Who knows, right?

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

Oh so what instructor are you?

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle Thank you for asking politely! I am MU Sool Won (big change, right? LMAO) The difference is, we don't buy into the propoganda stuff. My master told me Hapkiod origniates in Japan and all of our forms come from various Kung Fu's or was made up by high ranking Kuk Sool masters. We don't buy into propoganda. I honestly use to until I stumbled on a few things such as BuffonMusa and his explination to the Hwa Rang. We all mistakes and without mistakes, we don't grow.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

> I am MU Sool Won (big change, right? LMAO)

LMAO! You just changed Kuk to Mu.

Mu sool Won means "martial art institute"

>we don't buy into the propoganda stuff.

What's exactlly "propaganda stuff"?

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle LMAO Thats why I was laughing! Read what haedongkumdoisalie has to say and you'll see what I mean. Many Koreans believe Tae Kwon Do is ancient Korean martial art. It's not. Same as Hapkido or even the arts from Muye24Ban. Anyone that stuides a little history knows most of Korean arts are either Chinese or Japanese influenced. They have some unique traits (such as archery or Taekyon). So, I don't buy into that. Doesn't make me popular with Koreans. LOL

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

Then why are you arguing about KSW here?

Why are you talking about war brutality and stuffs?

Since you said you didn't tale propaganda, you suppose to know Korea was collaborating with the Japanese troops during WWll right?

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle Actually, you have a really good point. I guess I must have been bored. LOL However, Japan did have a brutal campaign. That I do know that there were Koreans that did side with Japan. But, every nation has its freedom fighters which, supposedly, Korea did as well. No? Still learning by the way and still trying to sift through the crap so please be patient.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

> freedom fighters

See, American sense.

[KSJoshWhite]

@poodle8noodle Looks that way. Of course, I'm guessing your from the middle east due to a comment from earlier, and you must know all about "freedom fighting"...

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

Cool.

Am I oil billionaire or something?

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

this one?

"But a newly released State Department cable from WikiLeaks reveals a United Nations’ official in 2006 endorsed Iraqi claims that the U.S. was responsible for the massacre, which followed a firefight between U.S. troops and someone inside a house. All of those killed were handcuffed and shot in the head, including four women and five children aged five or younger."

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

The children were handcuffed and shot by head.

Please google -WikiLeaks Cable Iraq- they realesed actual photos of the children.

[poodle8noodle]

@KSJoshWhite

The children were killed by "freedom fighters".

What freedom was that?

Free killing?

[BuffonSarutobi]

@KSJoshWhite

Thanks for watching my videos.

But you sounded like still buying into propaganda stuffs that you were taught by Korean teachers.

You just need to study more.

I am going to write articles for you in my blog, please check sometimes.

And remember, martial art instructors are not historians.

They like to fabricate history to make their school greater so don't believe them.

[BuffonSarutobi]

@KSJoshWhite

If your teacher say somethings like "I am the only truth" "Other people(or certain race) are liars." "You are not allowed to question me" That's a sign of cult.

And that is why some martial art schools turn into cult.

[KSJoshWhite]

@BuffonSarutobi My Master encourages us to seek outside sources. I was at seminar and he told us that only Archery, Taekyon, and Ssirum are Korean. Everything else comes from China, Japan, etc. I also teach Krav Maga in my school. Kuk Sool Won is the type of art that doesn't want you to question anything. I encourage questions. So does my master. I do have to agree there are jerks in the KMA community but not all of us are like that.

[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

@KSJoshWhite hi,you are right,japan had many mistaken and had crime war,we must apologized.then god gave us the redemptions 50 million women and children just civilizations had been burned in fire at air raids on Japan by allied armies.especially atomic bomb to Hiroshima and Nagasaki,30 million people or more had been boiled away at once by Germany or American Jewish although japan had saved Jewish in Manchuria. inuzuka and sugihara efforted and save one million.

[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

@KSJoshWhite by the way what do you think about Israel that your mother country Joshua san,have been attacking gaza city and many children are killed.what about invasion of Iraq?

[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

@BuffonSarutobi good evening buffon san,i think TX education has some colored problem.since teenagers of a KSW student and his friend gave me some described letters,they believed the propaganda history.japan has same problem too,many communist teachers teach history under the justice of Marxism.ブッフォンさんこんばんはー。もこいつら無茶苦­茶です・・。こらしめてやって下さい！

[HaedongKumdoIsaLie]

@KSJoshWhite

Nobody talks about dragon or tiger. Ninja is obviously specific to Japan.

"It's an ADVERTSING ploy to get kids into classes!"

So I'm saying that's the problem. Why doesn't KSW try to advertise to capture kids' attention by using Korean things? They use other country's stuff as if it were of Korean origin. KSW and ChosonNinja are birds of a feather.

As a matter of fact, it's Koreans' usual practice, though.

/watch?v=IJn5fPlYBU8#t=0m23s

/watch?v=LjKs6HxOFpk

[KSJoshWhite]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie Actually, you make a very valid point with your argument. However, if I said "sign up with Tiny Musah", I'm not sure people will know what I mean. There are Kung Fu schools that use "Little Ninjas". But I do get where your coming from and that is the reason I never used that at my school. I use Little Dragons because I feel like I would be ripping something off.

[GetintoFishingNet]

@KSJoshWhite

please put what you wrote "Actually, you make a very valid point - I feel like I would be ripping something off." into german.

[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

@KSJoshWhite your mention that "There are countless photos of Japanese executing innocent civilians and even Japanese soldiers stabbing babies and putting them on their bayonets posing for a picture." where did you learn such racist history? in Germany or US? its very serious problem.could you tell me where can i see the proof pictures on website or book? i think you saw were only propaganda movie.

[BuffonSarutobi]

@sakura0jp0aikidodesu

It seems Korean martial art classes are doing the kind of propaganda.

That is why I don't trust Korean operated martial art classes.

KSJW seems to believe there was a war between Japan and Korea before annexation.



[sakura0jp0aikidodesu]

@KSJoshWhite some local region in china or korean have custom that to take the medicine made from baby body.they eat breathing infant for alimentation even today.japan has not such the barbarian custom.

[KSJoshWhite]

@HaedongKumdoIsaLie Yes that is very true. I use to talk one-sidedly about Korean vs anything else. However people are allowed to grow and change over time. I have been doing research on my own and have been discovering alot about Kuk Sool, it's origins mostly. I have not moved outside of who trained who in Korea yet and never studied anything Japanese related. But, I am getting there. As for removing myself, I can't play key board warriors all day. It takes alot of time out of training.

[srmiyagui1]

anda mira con una mano solo !! que peliculeros !!! jejeje

[ANGA3110]

Yeah... kook sool Won, hi Venezuela ;-)

[Dragonkarma]

Kuk sool won is not watered down-only a moronic -hater -know-nothing would say that. In the U.S. the kung joong musool guy is Yang Soon Tae who is a former KUK SOOL WON master. See the video posted of him in this series. He claimed to found KJMS in 1958 but is in his KUK SOOL WON uniform doing a demo in 1985. Who do you think ur foolin ?

[vic3201]

Este si es el verdadero Kuk Sool Won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! y no esas payasadas que abundan lastimosamente en internet.

[stevemarce1988]

KSW History = HKD

[BigBroheim]

This looks sooooo different than the Westernized version....too bad In Hyuk Suh had to soften it;(

[michahman]

omg thats so true . I studied with gene gauss for years in the old days . He lived with the grand master for 5 years.I was taught 5 different ways to do kicho hyung the white belt form. My true mastery lies in hsing i , but I love kuk sool.When I returned to study under him in 2005 thing changed .When I was black brown It seemed I knew more than even some of 2nd degrees and the classes where very soft and the forms where mafe easier

[jiggahippo]

Suh didnt soften it he teaches a different version. In korea he teaches what is known as the royal form and here in the states its known as the common form.

[BigBroheim]

Wrong...Suh doesn't teach in Korea.

He came to the USA to make money.

In Korea they have no idea what Kuk Sool Won is.

They would call it Kung Jung Moo Sool (Or some variation of that) Same uniforms, techniques...

Trust me I've been there.

[jiggahippo]

well i wouldnt say wrong. I agree that Suh is a money hungry instructor and the name is in fact different that is why I imply ROYAL not common as in the states. I personaly dont like the system, too many faults, but to each his own.

[tkd4life]

kuk sul won is a watered down version of KJMS, Bul Mu Do, and Tribal martial arts. It's a compilation of all of those. KJMS is so different though; has much more power and more practical

[ToddDowney]

You make good points...

[jonihej]

jåå

[paulcartwheel]

Thank for that, brilliant footage of old school kuk sool!

[shadowwolf337]

Those wrist-locks are unbelievably painful. I once had two instructers that were amazing! Grand Soke Master, Kuak Jong Ki and Master Park Ho Su! I found Kuk Sool Hapkido very effective in the "real fight" but, a bit slow. So, I kept the techniques that I believed were the most effective and simplest to apply. Yeah, this stuff REALLY WORKS!

[whodawant]

hm...... their black belts why are they doing ki cho hyung 1-6? i'm a white belt yellow stripe though started last month.. thats what i was saying to :P thats the white belt retuin the first thing there doing

[jhelton0001]

I am fortunate enough to have studied under Charles Sullivan from Chicago. He is a 3rd Dan under Byung S. Ma and Chu S. Ma. There is a very tight nit group of people in that circle. People like to think that Kuk Sool just Hapkido but they are very wrong. It is a very unique style that will build you into a very strong person both physically and mentally.

[thaohm0ngbang]

hm...... their black belts why are they doing ki cho hyung 1-6? i'm a white belt yellow stripe though started last month..

[texoma123]

I remember very well when Chuy and Manuel came to our school. Manuel had me on the floor crawling like a dog with one of the Ki bon su's. One of the few times I had tears coming from my eyes from a joint lock. Good video. Good stuff. Wish things didnt get freaky there in the mid 80s...

[RebelGrandmaster]

Yeah the old school was very hard but exciting. Brownsville Tx. had some good demos and tournaments from Chuy and Manuel in the mid 80's.. then money greed came and the dilution and karma of the this art went bad.....I believe I was the first one to be kicked out of KSW by Inhuk him-self. Thanks! This ended the occult MA for me. I woke up! -The Rebel Grandmaster

[FATBEGONE]

Wow - I need more practice on my Ki Chu Huang

[cloudsRniceC0M3]

wow everything from white belt to black .........i think ?

[realityshifter]

This is a great video of Kuk Sool Won black belts displaying demonstrations of techniques such as what are often currently shown during Kuk Sool Won tournaments.... very nice!

[ToddDowney]

The old school Korean guys look sharp and tough, unlike most of the modern lame honky ass in the states.

Completely different art, though they share a name.

[gatorius]

Lol these guys are fast with hyungs