The Rein Snatcher

[Ackangi]

This is exactly what I see all the time when I'm out riding or in the lesson. Its almost like the riders don't trust there horses (probably because there not well trained, typical BHS trained horses hehe) so they insist on holding on because they feel safer, ugh it really pisses me off so I always ride in a loopy rein, never a contact rein unless in the lessons.

[MsZippa]

.or other problems like bad teeth or a bad saddle fit could be hollow back strong neck muscle back discomfort rider education or various other problems.

[MsZippa]

If Im right, If a rider leans on a horses mouth, horse leans on riders hands when ridden & maybe pulls like steam train,or head-shakes,showjumping or eventing & others where afraid to let go a bit without give & take release may take off. or when standing quietly observe when at horse shows a rider may have finished their ride standing mounted, unmounted & watching other still going, unaware they're gripping on their horses mouth instead of giving them a release of looseness to relax.

[horseproblems]

true

[saddleclubluver4ever]

my horse leans on the when I ask him to trot can you help me

[2bTransformed]

Mr. HP, any chance you could discuss "positive contact" to encouraging self-carriage? How do you differentiate that contact with the contact that encourages that terrible head up, ewe neck posture? Yes, I am a loose rein rider who asks for limited bit contact, so very little experience in this area. One of my horses is a standardbred cross who loves that position and panics at bit contact, so I'm always looking for ways to help my boy out. Love your videos, always wishing for new ones!

[horseproblems]

This would be the most extensive and the most mis-understood subject in the Horse Industry. Mainly caused by Professionals with their touchy feely, motherhood, tree hugging, use of buzz words and with the eye on video or book sales rather than telling it like it is. I have been working on a 5 hour dvd's set on the subject for 12 months now and am finding it difficult to finish. Called 'Re-Mouthing the Horse'

[2bTransformed]

I'm not surprised to hear that it's such a complicated issue. Once the damage is done, it becomes a compounded problem. I'll keep my eye on your YouTube posts. Will you let us know when your video is available? Thanks.

[Itxx]

my TWH loves throwing his head foward and yanking the reins out of my hands. no, you don't understand, he LOVES it. :D

[horseproblems]

lol

[cowgirl2sassy]

John, I use a headstall with just a bit, no reins at all, when I get a horse that is head bobbing, every day for about 30 mins, I do round pen work with a head stall and bit, no reins,,,takes all pressure off and they dont get the contact and stop associating the bit with pressure....works for me.

[horseproblems]

Fair enough Cowgirl. Well done.

[horseproblems]

good one sass

[trampolinefay]

This was very helpful for me. I was originally taught, light in hands, use legs and seat. Recently, I re-entered the horse world and took several lessons with a very reputable school. I would finish with me shoulders and arms killing me. Every lesson was about fighting the horse to get his head down for 3 steps and as soon as I lightened, up it would come. After hours of this, I thought my riding wasn't what it was cracked up to be. Your video has helped me understand better.

[wolfydan121]

top vid HP! ive had this prob pretty bad with some ponies ive ridden!

[horseproblems]

Hi Folks. Thanks. ChimaAus, Learner Riders' should never be let near the mouth of a Horse until they have an independent seat. That is what you must strive for. Then, with independent hands and knowledge of how to deal with the contact, Horses are quite happy with it. Coaches who espouse that teaching have missed their responsibility to the Horse!

[ChimoAUS]

Thank you for this video (and all your others) John. I'm a complete beginner and it answered my question about my first lesson - being made to have a strong rein contact at all times. Felt I like was fighting the horse not riding it. I'll try a different coach!

[horseproblems]

Any Coach who does that, shouldn't have a certificate. No Learner Rider should even have the privilege of holding the reins until they have an independent seat. Not fair on horses and the complete ruination of their mouth. Regards

[ColorProduction]

My little boy loves the lopy rein. I see horses all the time being held in *usually the western at my stable* and their horse gets antsy and upset while those of us with loose reins have almost half asleep horses. I've found the western riders at my stable to be the worst but the english are always allowing their horses to stand loose ^^

[Itxx]

I ride western and since one of my boys has a hard mouth and the other has a soft, it differs. I do polebending on both. Depends on horse's personality, really.

[44dakota44]

Love all your videos so glad I found your channel! I work with racehorses and find all your videos really helpful!

[paddleduck91]

i know where your getting at with us brits, when out on a hack or stood around i always ride with loopy reins. but my sister always tells me to have contact at all times but i find not having contact they are quieter and less spooky

[horseproblems]

lol paddleduck : Love the name. True Brit :) You got it in one. Regards

[bullw]

Excellent info. Thanks so much!

[bwp247]

Great video mate. I keep trying to get this msg across to heap's of people that ride track work with me, maybe i should get you to come down and have a chat to them!! (you could call them pony clubber's that'd get em fired up.

[horseproblems]

Lol, would it ever :) I wonder about your choice of favorites though. How could you like Men in Pink Tights ? roflao

[murphhe]

thanks John, makes heaps of sense..

[moooingcow]

Wow! Wonderful as always! You and your wife have such a demanding job. It takes such patience and ablility to do what you do. Thank you sooooooooooo much for the videos.

[doggiesarus]

Hey, thanks this was brilliant!!!