Of course, he was often known as "Wally Weller" because he wasn't as collected or as honest as he wanted to make out. The Jam may have been a great band who composed some classic material, but it riles me when a Middle Class teenager rants on about steretypical privileges and pretends to be on the side of the "dispossessed" even when he's got an absolute fortune. His fans seem to include a lot of inarticulate individuals - which when you think about it, isn't too flattering.
I love this song, David Cameron thought it was praise to Eton, but it was the exact opposite, just goes to show how stupid the people running our country are...
Think Weller looks a bit like the guitarist from Dr Feelgood, a few times when he steps back from the microphone - that sort of robotic thing. Never seen any similarity before...
great music and probly never to see a band like this again, if we are to get good music again e need to get computers out of the band as i fear this is why music is and has been utter rubbish for the last 20 od years wiht the od acception now and again.
@hugodogish Same man I'm 18, been listening to Weller since I was 15, seen him twice, guy's my fucking idol, songs he wrote with The Jam are still so relevant today and the agression and punk attitude are too.
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@Geoffthebull haha every time this played in the car my dad would shout at passers by " the eating of trifle" cheers you've brought back a very happy memory mr bull
I can not belive how great this(Paul Weller) three piece band sound!, I bet all and sundry, this year's x -craptor shite does not emerge with anyone anywhere near 1% of the talent of these three?
@lujas10 The Jam were a killer band and we need a new killer band today to put the excitement, raw and energetic force back in to music which we so desperately need but i doubt that we will get it in the form of Simon Cowell's crappy, commercialised corporate X Factor bullshit which is sadly being drummed in to todays youngsters, we need to create a new scene to make music important again or else face a music industry with very little future.
Dame Thatcher also sent a task force to sqaush an uprising halfway round the world which most Englishmen was fan fuckin tastic. P.S. one of these sent their Sons to Eton college? Hows about that that then guys and gals, to qoute Sir Jimmy Saville??????
@colonelofcork I'm of Irish/Scottish descent and I thought it was 'fan fucking tastic', so much so I joined the Army when I came of age 2 years later. NI? One fucked up place which I wish we could hand over to the Argies.
@aerialkate Well, the English created English so it wouldn't do to let language slip into the tip with the rest of modern life. I'm with Weller on this one.
Does it matter? Politics is for little turds with a need to control others...spineless, ignorant, fearful cunts the lot of them. Marx was twat, lenin a terrorist cult leader. I wont bother mentioning all the drug abusing sociopaths, psychopaths, degenerats and then there is that worderful socialist/communist(bullshit) stalin who was NOT a communist. Naw...fuck politics and all the cunts that think it matters. Haven't met one worth the trouble of saving.
i wonder how many millions he's got in the bank...yank....fucking champagne socialist.and dont get me started on saint bob geldoff.....y'have to give....right.why didn't he lead by example.........hypocrite.
i loved the jam. was at secondary school when they were at their peak. remember my dad god bless him saying to me one night when this was on top of the pops, here son what is he saying, eat your trifle. pissed me off at the time but can sort of understand y he thought that. rip dad still miss u x
The primary difference between communism and socialism is that under communism the people are treated like cattle, penned up and slaughtered, while under socialism they are merely treated like lapdogs, and are fed and sheltered but kept leashed. No thanks.
At the time, The Jam were v. different to other punk bands, but played at the same venues. The Red Cow pub in Hammersmith was my favourite. Other bands were often openly nihilistic. The Jam, lead by Weller, were a touch more cerebral.
That didn't stop us fans having massive rucks with Teds from the Paladium at Hammersmith Broadway tube station. An amazing time to be a teen in London.
I might run the risk of pissing of The Jam diehards on here but i got into The Jam when i was about 17/18 then by about 22/23 id become a bit blase about them. Im 27 now and heard Going Underground on the radio today and i thought fuckin hell im gonna have to get back into them. Clicked on this just now and fuck me they were some band. Gonna have to dig out All Mod Cons and Setting Sons now.
I will look forward to your answer @iVideoiTube as no one here has decided to debate with you. I'm giving you a chance to say your side rather than being shouted down though I do not agree with you in the slightest. How civilised of me lol.
@iVideoiTube Ok I'll bite and have a serious discussion with you then. Firstly, your inability to distinguish the difference between a socialist and a communist only shows a staggering amount of ignorance on your part. Secondly on the subject of our health service I have to say that I do not understand what you think the problem with the NHS is. In this country we believe that everyone has a RIGHT to healthcare. A society that looks after the needs of both the rich and the poor is not civilised?
How pompous! The difference is that a Socialist is born into the middle class and thinks that fairplay is a jolly good idea old boy. A lasting communist is forged by living, seeing, and understanding.
@ejohnh sorry but I don't understand what your saying lol if your saying that all Socialists are middle class, I consider myself to have pretty socialist views but am working class. And I'm sorry but I don't mean to be pompous. There is a big difference between a socialist and a communist and I DO hate it when people (and no offence to anyone but it's usually americans) call socialists "communist" as if its some kind of insult.
@CrazySpaniard101 I personally don't see anything wrong with being a communist. However, the absolute power required for it to 'succeed' inevitably corrupts the ideal. To me, Socialism takes the 'fairness' of the communist ideal and marries it to the modern day version of democracy. I personally know US citizens who have had anti-communism drilled into them since kindergarten. It's no wonder that they do have this knee jerk reaction to any liberal/leftist views.
@ejohnh thats exactly what I think. I hate the way that people use "communist" as an insult when it is a perfectly valid political belief. The only down side about communism is, as you said, it relies upon the person in charge to be absaloutely uncorruptable (if thats even a word)
@ejohnh Anyone who managed to survive the Ukrianian Terror-Famine of 1932-33 would no doubt take issue with your rosy portrayal of wonderful socialism.
@Hellcat2800 You obviously haven't read it correctly mate. You are alluding to the totalitarian communist regime under Stalin. That was just called socialism.
@ejohnh I did read it, in fact I've read several books on the subject, my U.K. friend. Stalin and his cronies repeatedly justified their acts in the 30's citing the SOCIALIST writings of Marx. I've read Marx and Engels and the seeds of genocide are right there in their works.I cannot see Communism or Socialism in any other light than which the originators of these THEORIES cast them in.
@Hellcat2800 I copied this : The Bolsheviks began with the plan of implementing a form of Marxism in Russia but it soon became so corrupt that it didn't really resemble Marx's ideas at all. People in the USSR were not really used to self-rule. So one group of greedy dictatorial bandits replaced another. Stalin was almost as bad as Hitler.
@ejohnh Hear hear! I agree entirely with you, and ruffled many feathers by saying it in the 1980s. Hitler went so far to the right, and Stalin so far to the left, that they actually met each other round the back. It's called megalomania.
@Hellcat2800 "I cannot see Communism or Socialism in any other light than which the originators of these THEORIES cast them in." Where did Marx advocate genocide?
@ConnorPregowski Eton are the Taiwanese makers of gay as hell scooters, nothing like the real deal Vespa GTS 300 I ride...No way would Weller endorse an Eton. He may as well endorse all the Viet-Bodges on Ebay.
@Westy91 The Jam just sang about the times they lived in. The Smiths were all about the emotions and day to day of a lower class man. The politics were a background atmosphere for their songs. They wrote no anthems of solidarity, or pleas for change. Good bands, yes. Best political music of all time: no. Sorry, 'Amazing' bands.
@mikeypox Being political does not mean directly talking about individual political parties, it can be about raising the issue of social problems and other activism. The Smiths protest at the meat industry as illustrated by 'Meat Is Murder' and the obvious anti monarchy of 'The Queen is Dead' show obvious political arguments. Morrissey also spoke of politics in various interviews in particular his hatred of Margaret Thatcher. His solo work has continued to be politically motivated too
@Westy91 I agree with you but I wouldn't call a band who have a couple political songs, a political band. A lot of artists, most of the good ones, include their politics in their work. To me, they aren't all political bands, just bands with politics. I could spend more time solidifying my argument here, but I don't really want to get into one. Just saying my opinion.
@6mbl Morrisseys anti thatcherism is well documented and his obvious repulsion of monarchy and the meat industry. As someone pointed out he tended to write more from a personal view than social commentary although their are a lot of social observations in The Smiths lyrics. I can't be arsed writing anymore, just go and listen to them
@Westy91 Was that honestly, that stupid? Because, I really don't see Morrissey as political in any sort of conventional way, I don't think The Smiths had a left agenda in the same way as the Jam did with Red Wedge and all of that. I mean I might be wrong but I'm just interested to know where you're coming from.
@Westy91 I wouldn't call the Smiths a politically motivated band. Morrissey just complains about everything, some of which may happen to regard politics.
you obviously don't know the Smiths very well if you don't know that the Smiths are most definitely not a politically motivated band. I would say the Smiths/Morrissey gives a voice to all the lonely people out there who do have serious issues with shyness etc.
Obviously you’re just another typical Jack the lad so you would just laugh at that statement, but I don't really care.
hey all. i'm a lefty yank historian who loves the jam and totally identifies with their empathetic social democratic ethos. please ignore my dumbass paranoid conservative countryman. those of us over here who actually get history and politics know what's up and know where the jam stand among things. my favorite band hands down.
@zacharylutz5 lover of libertarian principles who because-of/despite-of that fact, love the Jam. Saw them @ the Palladiium in NYC 1980 and Glen Cove LIE 1983. Have turned on many, many friends to this amazing, amazing band (politics aside)
@zacharylutz5 IOW you understand that socialism is a failure, communisim WAS and always will fail utterly. That obversly facism is just as big a crock. Socilaized health care is insupportable for more than two generations. That adding zeros never solves a thing. That until Ethics and Morals and made hard sciences with as much suport as high energy physics the world will continue to be the shit hole that socialist of all stripes and greedy cunts (mustn't forget them) have made it?
@zacharylutz5 from what i can gather he's not a fan of the PRICK who's running our country...that is a FACT!...NEITHER IS MORRISSEY OR JOHNNY MARR....
@zacharylutz5 This is a song about the hypocrisy of the left and the evil of the right. Basically it attacks both sides Labour and Conservatives. True to character the left think it is merely an attack on the class system and the tories, when he is attacking both.
Of course, he was often known as "Wally Weller" because he wasn't as collected or as honest as he wanted to make out. The Jam may have been a great band who composed some classic material, but it riles me when a Middle Class teenager rants on about steretypical privileges and pretends to be on the side of the "dispossessed" even when he's got an absolute fortune. His fans seem to include a lot of inarticulate individuals - which when you think about it, isn't too flattering.
PaulT1967 19 hours ago
@PaulT1967 and yet, ironically, you've just stereotyped everyone who listens to The Jam! Hmmm....
yaplamf 3 hours ago
love ricks t shirt
MrTerryh68 2 days ago
what a load of bollocks it is we all talk/sing sometimes.
i am sure weller would agree.
ralphcraddock 3 days ago
Decent of them to sing about public schoolboys i say - it shows they're open minded and not biased. Well done Jam, and a good song to boot!
andiar 5 days ago
I love this song, David Cameron thought it was praise to Eton, but it was the exact opposite, just goes to show how stupid the people running our country are...
fuckyoutopoliticians 1 week ago
Paul Weller can eat Nickleback and crap Coldplay.
Ventro69 1 week ago
tttehe jammminic musice
umbreon04 2 weeks ago
read ur history books , bushes grandfather bankrolled hitler and the nazi's, rule britannia
nailzuk 3 weeks ago
que grandes!!!
SanjuaKDK 3 weeks ago
the title is on the video and you still spell it wrong on the title
TheGalwayFarmer 3 weeks ago
eating trifles!
loobymufc 1 month ago 3
Paul..Its about time you guys got back together for onr final bash before its to late....I would die a happy man
ut99aimbot 1 month ago
"Sup up your beer and collect your fags", the best lyrical start to a song!!!
BigDogsDangler 1 month ago
stfu and just listen to the music.
brody1994 1 month ago
eat your lightbulbs, eat your lightbulbs.
peterpeterxxo 1 month ago 3
the title refers to eton public school and its cadet force, the eton rifles.
sheikhyaboooty 2 months ago
the singer stalks my nans best mate :L
tashhurlow 2 months ago
Think Weller looks a bit like the guitarist from Dr Feelgood, a few times when he steps back from the microphone - that sort of robotic thing. Never seen any similarity before...
TheMagicBunnyRabbit 2 months ago
great music and probly never to see a band like this again, if we are to get good music again e need to get computers out of the band as i fear this is why music is and has been utter rubbish for the last 20 od years wiht the od acception now and again.
tc030564 2 months ago
at their best!
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JonnyMcCraine22 2 months ago
I'm 15 and i have to say this music is far better than the stuff we have now! I'm so glad my dad got me into this stuff!
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bluesdudeable 2 months ago
Brilliant live TV performance from one of my fave bands of all time. Why can't today's music be like this?
Southlondonsteve 2 months ago
eton colleges, wiltshire. (song:Breeding upper class twats)
simssamui 3 months ago
Fucking great audience!!
hbomb1964 3 months ago 18
Thanks Jam, I am only 17 and love listening to their music. It has really helped to release my teenage angst towards life
hugodogish 3 months ago 2
@hugodogish Same man I'm 18, been listening to Weller since I was 15, seen him twice, guy's my fucking idol, songs he wrote with The Jam are still so relevant today and the agression and punk attitude are too.
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MarmaladeSkyBand1 3 months ago
I think Eaton is next to Oksford.
guyonearth 3 months ago 4
@guyonearth can tell u didnt go to oksford(oxford)
teryfuckwitful 3 months ago
Eating trifle......
Geoffthebull 3 months ago
@Geoffthebull Haha, the typo is only a trifling issue - although it does addle the comments!!!
00woolley 3 months ago
@Geoffthebull haha every time this played in the car my dad would shout at passers by " the eating of trifle" cheers you've brought back a very happy memory mr bull
MrCamparisafari 3 months ago
@MrCamparisafari ;-}
odinstheboy 3 months ago
Great days :)
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Mrlebricabrac 3 months ago
@sidsings- EXCELLENT. But the full, correct song title is The Eton (not 'eaton') Rifles. Sorry.
@beccawheeler91- yeahhh, you got it ;)
@MrShootingPractice- hahahaha, isn't he!!
merseymain 3 months ago
Give em' the boot Paul!!!!!!!!!
beccawheeler91 3 months ago
Loud rickenbacker & vox (or marshall)sound!!
This is the jam!!
I love this 3 piece powerful band , forever...
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The FUNKY BASS M8!!!!! O_O
syderwarp 4 months ago in playlist 80's 1.2
The drummer is wearing a Herbie´s t-shirt.
brazilianguitarlover 4 months ago
@TheFrankjohnsonmusic you fuckin dichead!!
MrShootingPractice 4 months ago
Presenter wearing FALL t-shirt. Those were the days, eh?
beneathpavement1 4 months ago
I can not belive how great this(Paul Weller) three piece band sound!, I bet all and sundry, this year's x -craptor shite does not emerge with anyone anywhere near 1% of the talent of these three?
lujas10 4 months ago
@lujas10 The Jam were a killer band and we need a new killer band today to put the excitement, raw and energetic force back in to music which we so desperately need but i doubt that we will get it in the form of Simon Cowell's crappy, commercialised corporate X Factor bullshit which is sadly being drummed in to todays youngsters, we need to create a new scene to make music important again or else face a music industry with very little future.
001Nigel 2 months ago
Goh, I'm old but I was -1 when they recorded this. I've been waiting all this time for this kind of awesomeness to reappear...
techyourself 4 months ago
@techyourself Dude, I was 9, so if you're old, I'm ancient! :-)
traffsigs 4 months ago
"well, what do you think of the show so far?"......pretty good.
whyteay 4 months ago
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TheFrankjohnsonmusic 4 months ago
it is about eaton the place.
chillmr1 4 months ago
Who's the presentrix at the beginning?
whyteay 4 months ago
I love the jam, I fucking hate Thatcher and now the English coz I am in exile from that fucked up cunt tree.
paulcancheng61 4 months ago
@paulcancheng61 What the heck did you do to get exiled? Let us know so we can try to exile our MPs :)
Clansman1746 4 months ago
Dame Thatcher also sent a task force to sqaush an uprising halfway round the world which most Englishmen was fan fuckin tastic. P.S. one of these sent their Sons to Eton college? Hows about that that then guys and gals, to qoute Sir Jimmy Saville??????
colonelofcork 4 months ago
@colonelofcork I'm of Irish/Scottish descent and I thought it was 'fan fucking tastic', so much so I joined the Army when I came of age 2 years later. NI? One fucked up place which I wish we could hand over to the Argies.
Clansman1746 4 months ago
thatcher also had 'pergonophobia' i think its spelt, anyway its the fear of beards and men who choose to wear them
revilo879 4 months ago
They pulled this off amazingly without the keyboards......Weller's solo is spot on
WoodyAllenNY 4 months ago
The Smiths rightly hated everything about Margaret Thatcher who was a nazi fascist man-hating sow.
mrcarpetride 5 months ago
@mrcarpetride YEAH WHAT A BITCH SHE SHOULD GO DIE IN A HOLE SOMEWHERE IN SIBERIA!!
assassinsarecool1 5 months ago
It's "ETON" Rifles, people. As in the place ETON. Honestly.
TheLambCannon 5 months ago 44
@TheLambCannon Yes.. We know.. Not Eaton mate ;)
tyrantstarscream 4 months ago
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True story :)
KawiKaRs 4 months ago
@TheLambCannon Well done it's a simple mistake due to pronunciation, feel smart now. honestly.
Scozoify 3 months ago
@TheLambCannon Down near Slough
madasahammer1 3 months ago
@TheLambCannon no its eating rifles
bensimps123 2 months ago
@bensimps123 And all this time I thought it was "see through lightbulbs" :D
Mcfinbar 2 months ago
@Mcfinbar :oD
bensimps123 1 month ago
@TheLambCannon Nah it's about explosive flatulence and is called "Eaten Rifles"
armandin2048 1 month ago
Why on earth would someone click "dislike" for a MASTERPIECE like this?
SoulstylistJukebox 5 months ago
This song explains collage kids perfectly. I love The Jam, and Weller always wrote meaningful songs, weather people knew the meaning or not.
Gaston624 5 months ago
44 people already have the plauge.
Dmpotter10 5 months ago
<3
scouserjeni 5 months ago
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PeasLoveHarmony 5 months ago
Bruce Foxton sent his son to Eton (no, really).
Weller sent his son to private school so that his son wouldn't "grow up talking like Ali G." I feel cheated.
aerialkate 5 months ago
@aerialkate Well, the English created English so it wouldn't do to let language slip into the tip with the rest of modern life. I'm with Weller on this one.
Lynleyland 5 months ago
Cheer up Americans, things are looking up.
Children have finished looting new street & its safe to leave the house. I love Brum, I hate the scum trashing my city AND I LOVE THE JAM.
ellenmeilee 5 months ago
If only britain was political
You dont realise this is the biggest depresion the world will ever see.
deadrebel2 5 months ago
the best
JB620 5 months ago
class music with a true meaning pul weller is a genius
debsmc1 6 months ago
Does it matter? Politics is for little turds with a need to control others...spineless, ignorant, fearful cunts the lot of them. Marx was twat, lenin a terrorist cult leader. I wont bother mentioning all the drug abusing sociopaths, psychopaths, degenerats and then there is that worderful socialist/communist(bullshit) stalin who was NOT a communist. Naw...fuck politics and all the cunts that think it matters. Haven't met one worth the trouble of saving.
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I want Ricks T-Shirt!
nick19651000 6 months ago
What a pile of nonsense.
bossendenwoodconvict 6 months ago
Should be "Eton Rifles" as in the school.
PariahLoaf 6 months ago
i wonder how many millions he's got in the bank...yank....fucking champagne socialist.and dont get me started on saint bob geldoff.....y'have to give....right.why didn't he lead by example.........hypocrite.
junkman19571 6 months ago
simply couldnt of grown up with a better group through my teens
MrBananabender 6 months ago 2
This is one of the best performances by any band I've seen on YT.
Kelly14UK 6 months ago
i loved the jam. was at secondary school when they were at their peak. remember my dad god bless him saying to me one night when this was on top of the pops, here son what is he saying, eat your trifle. pissed me off at the time but can sort of understand y he thought that. rip dad still miss u x
lizardgirl2610 6 months ago 2
Eton Rifles
baggies5468 7 months ago
I enjoyed this song so much when I was young, that now, I can't even listen to it. Ya know what I mean?
bonnybrook 7 months ago
The primary difference between communism and socialism is that under communism the people are treated like cattle, penned up and slaughtered, while under socialism they are merely treated like lapdogs, and are fed and sheltered but kept leashed. No thanks.
Mcvthree 7 months ago
they told it as they saw it, nothing wrong with that!
bobbobster1973 7 months ago
Must have been the same show that Joy Division played on with that unknown pleasures artwork in the backdrop. Youtube can be so awesome!
thestr8person 7 months ago 2
most sensible thing said in a while!!!
BakerBruceClapton 7 months ago
Fucks sake all you toenails arguing about politics make me wanna puke! Just enjoy the song or dont listen to it.
FUCK!!!
zoolander2485 7 months ago
@zoolander2485 thats the most sensible thing said for a long time - well done mate!
BakerBruceClapton 7 months ago
AWSOME I <3 THIS SONG!!!!!!!!!!
randoms933 7 months ago
Joy Division were also on this programme-what a great time to be 18.
Two legends on one show.
Dave45582 7 months ago
Great group absolute legends, they pitched it just soooooo right.........then Wella climbed up his own arse and split the group....what a cock!
vincewhirlwind 7 months ago
At the time, The Jam were v. different to other punk bands, but played at the same venues. The Red Cow pub in Hammersmith was my favourite. Other bands were often openly nihilistic. The Jam, lead by Weller, were a touch more cerebral.
That didn't stop us fans having massive rucks with Teds from the Paladium at Hammersmith Broadway tube station. An amazing time to be a teen in London.
ian60 7 months ago
I might run the risk of pissing of The Jam diehards on here but i got into The Jam when i was about 17/18 then by about 22/23 id become a bit blase about them. Im 27 now and heard Going Underground on the radio today and i thought fuckin hell im gonna have to get back into them. Clicked on this just now and fuck me they were some band. Gonna have to dig out All Mod Cons and Setting Sons now.
antfoley1983 7 months ago
@antfoley1983 sound affects is my favorite and the one that has aged well!
salvadory 7 months ago
what a catalyst you turned out to be
tattyrumble82 7 months ago
I will look forward to your answer @iVideoiTube as no one here has decided to debate with you. I'm giving you a chance to say your side rather than being shouted down though I do not agree with you in the slightest. How civilised of me lol.
CrazySpaniard101 7 months ago
@iVideoiTube Ok I'll bite and have a serious discussion with you then. Firstly, your inability to distinguish the difference between a socialist and a communist only shows a staggering amount of ignorance on your part. Secondly on the subject of our health service I have to say that I do not understand what you think the problem with the NHS is. In this country we believe that everyone has a RIGHT to healthcare. A society that looks after the needs of both the rich and the poor is not civilised?
CrazySpaniard101 7 months ago
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How pompous! The difference is that a Socialist is born into the middle class and thinks that fairplay is a jolly good idea old boy. A lasting communist is forged by living, seeing, and understanding.
ejohnh 7 months ago
@ejohnh sorry but I don't understand what your saying lol if your saying that all Socialists are middle class, I consider myself to have pretty socialist views but am working class. And I'm sorry but I don't mean to be pompous. There is a big difference between a socialist and a communist and I DO hate it when people (and no offence to anyone but it's usually americans) call socialists "communist" as if its some kind of insult.
CrazySpaniard101 7 months ago
@CrazySpaniard101 I personally don't see anything wrong with being a communist. However, the absolute power required for it to 'succeed' inevitably corrupts the ideal. To me, Socialism takes the 'fairness' of the communist ideal and marries it to the modern day version of democracy. I personally know US citizens who have had anti-communism drilled into them since kindergarten. It's no wonder that they do have this knee jerk reaction to any liberal/leftist views.
ejohnh 7 months ago
@ejohnh thats exactly what I think. I hate the way that people use "communist" as an insult when it is a perfectly valid political belief. The only down side about communism is, as you said, it relies upon the person in charge to be absaloutely uncorruptable (if thats even a word)
CrazySpaniard101 7 months ago
@ejohnh Anyone who managed to survive the Ukrianian Terror-Famine of 1932-33 would no doubt take issue with your rosy portrayal of wonderful socialism.
Hellcat2800 7 months ago
@Hellcat2800 You obviously haven't read it correctly mate. You are alluding to the totalitarian communist regime under Stalin. That was just called socialism.
ejohnh 7 months ago
@ejohnh I did read it, in fact I've read several books on the subject, my U.K. friend. Stalin and his cronies repeatedly justified their acts in the 30's citing the SOCIALIST writings of Marx. I've read Marx and Engels and the seeds of genocide are right there in their works.I cannot see Communism or Socialism in any other light than which the originators of these THEORIES cast them in.
Hellcat2800 7 months ago
@Hellcat2800 I copied this : The Bolsheviks began with the plan of implementing a form of Marxism in Russia but it soon became so corrupt that it didn't really resemble Marx's ideas at all. People in the USSR were not really used to self-rule. So one group of greedy dictatorial bandits replaced another. Stalin was almost as bad as Hitler.
ejohnh 7 months ago
@ejohnh Hear hear! I agree entirely with you, and ruffled many feathers by saying it in the 1980s. Hitler went so far to the right, and Stalin so far to the left, that they actually met each other round the back. It's called megalomania.
ivorlottandtonybroke 6 months ago
@Hellcat2800 "I cannot see Communism or Socialism in any other light than which the originators of these THEORIES cast them in." Where did Marx advocate genocide?
awmoore77 6 months ago
monster song, but... the title of the song is actually, 'The Eton Rifles' mate.
ConnorPregowski 7 months ago
@ConnorPregowski Eton are the Taiwanese makers of gay as hell scooters, nothing like the real deal Vespa GTS 300 I ride...No way would Weller endorse an Eton. He may as well endorse all the Viet-Bodges on Ebay.
Hellcat2800 7 months ago
Paul weller trying as he might did'nt get any feedback from his amp at the end!
MrMymanalishi 7 months ago
fags are a bundle of sticks use for starting fires......
TheFlimOfFlam 7 months ago
Eat trifle!
rottysteve 7 months ago
43 people are deaf twats!!!
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Mrlebricabrac 8 months ago
The Jam, The Clash and The Smiths - Best politically motivated bands?
Westy91 8 months ago 34
@Westy91 dont forget the who
ConnorG56 8 months ago
@Westy91 U2 perhaps?
KingJulienDavid 8 months ago
@Westy91 What politics motivated the Smiths?
shawndimery 7 months ago 3
@shawndimery personal politics- antiwar- vegetarian advocacy- sexuality- doesnt matter the jam own the smiths and everyone else
salvadory 4 months ago
@shawndimery The politics of being Miserable cunts.
96FreakyStyley 4 months ago
@Westy91 The Jam just sang about the times they lived in. The Smiths were all about the emotions and day to day of a lower class man. The politics were a background atmosphere for their songs. They wrote no anthems of solidarity, or pleas for change. Good bands, yes. Best political music of all time: no. Sorry, 'Amazing' bands.
mikeypox 7 months ago
Some potential candidates for that title:
Angelic Upstarts, Stiff Little Fingers, Dead Kennedys & Jello Biafra, Bob Dylan/Marley
mikeypox 7 months ago
@mikeypox Being political does not mean directly talking about individual political parties, it can be about raising the issue of social problems and other activism. The Smiths protest at the meat industry as illustrated by 'Meat Is Murder' and the obvious anti monarchy of 'The Queen is Dead' show obvious political arguments. Morrissey also spoke of politics in various interviews in particular his hatred of Margaret Thatcher. His solo work has continued to be politically motivated too
Westy91 7 months ago
@Westy91 I agree with you but I wouldn't call a band who have a couple political songs, a political band. A lot of artists, most of the good ones, include their politics in their work. To me, they aren't all political bands, just bands with politics. I could spend more time solidifying my argument here, but I don't really want to get into one. Just saying my opinion.
mikeypox 7 months ago
@Westy91 Throw in early Manic Street Preachers and Rage Against The Machine and you're spot on..
TheParanoidAndroid1 6 months ago
@Westy91 well im not really into the smiths, but i know that they are not that political. can u tell me about some political songs by them?
6mbl 6 months ago
@6mbl Morrisseys anti thatcherism is well documented and his obvious repulsion of monarchy and the meat industry. As someone pointed out he tended to write more from a personal view than social commentary although their are a lot of social observations in The Smiths lyrics. I can't be arsed writing anymore, just go and listen to them
Westy91 6 months ago
@Westy91 Hey Westy, if you like those groups, have a look at The Specials
cmst69 6 months ago
@cmst69 I love The Specials!
Westy91 6 months ago
@Westy91 Me too!
KongKegso2 6 months ago
@Westy91 Were The Smiths really politicly motivated? I mean I love The Smiths but I really don't see the politics
carumbasra 6 months ago
@carumbasra I can't be arsed answering you.
Westy91 6 months ago
@Westy91 Was that honestly, that stupid? Because, I really don't see Morrissey as political in any sort of conventional way, I don't think The Smiths had a left agenda in the same way as the Jam did with Red Wedge and all of that. I mean I might be wrong but I'm just interested to know where you're coming from.
carumbasra 6 months ago
@carumbasra cunt
Westy91 6 months ago
@Westy91 I wouldn't call the Smiths a politically motivated band. Morrissey just complains about everything, some of which may happen to regard politics.
freegelato 6 months ago 11
you obviously don't know the Smiths very well if you don't know that the Smiths are most definitely not a politically motivated band. I would say the Smiths/Morrissey gives a voice to all the lonely people out there who do have serious issues with shyness etc.
Obviously you’re just another typical Jack the lad so you would just laugh at that statement, but I don't really care.
MrDataCode 3 months ago
@Westy91 all class bands
Ikillyuasyusleep 6 months ago
@Westy91
Don't forget Britain's National Anthem, Ghost Town by The Specials.
whogivesamonkeysfuck 6 months ago
@whogivesamonkeysfuck Britain has a national anthem...and it's NOT "Ghost Town"!
SKOTP69 6 months ago
@Westy91 and the pistols!
JB620 6 months ago
@Westy91 The Sex Pistols
TheZenPerspective 5 months ago
@Westy91 stiff little fingers
slfandoz 5 months ago
hey all. i'm a lefty yank historian who loves the jam and totally identifies with their empathetic social democratic ethos. please ignore my dumbass paranoid conservative countryman. those of us over here who actually get history and politics know what's up and know where the jam stand among things. my favorite band hands down.
zacharylutz5 8 months ago 42
@zacharylutz5
Valeriushansson2 8 months ago
@zacharylutz5 plank
brikel 7 months ago
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mbrintys 7 months ago
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mbrintys 7 months ago
@zacharylutz5 lover of libertarian principles who because-of/despite-of that fact, love the Jam. Saw them @ the Palladiium in NYC 1980 and Glen Cove LIE 1983. Have turned on many, many friends to this amazing, amazing band (politics aside)
mbrintys 7 months ago
@zacharylutz5
"totally identifies with their empathetic social democratic ethos"
If you're so lefty, why are you such a pretentious twat?
CleverLaurence 7 months ago
@zacharylutz5 This song is about the hypocritical element in the left and the horrible nature of a the class system. It attacks both.
warriorprince1010 6 months ago
@zacharylutz5 NICE COMMENT MATE.AND HANDS ACROSS THE OCEAN,BE SAFE hasta la victoria siempre
eatmypies 6 months ago
@zacharylutz5 Agree.
musoshi 6 months ago
@zacharylutz5 IOW you understand that socialism is a failure, communisim WAS and always will fail utterly. That obversly facism is just as big a crock. Socilaized health care is insupportable for more than two generations. That adding zeros never solves a thing. That until Ethics and Morals and made hard sciences with as much suport as high energy physics the world will continue to be the shit hole that socialist of all stripes and greedy cunts (mustn't forget them) have made it?
GrigoriZhukov 6 months ago
@zacharylutz5 One Yank to another: Agree sooooo much!
RockyG1978 6 months ago
@zacharylutz5 why not just enjoy the music do yanks always have to categorize and analyze everything
mrhitmanisback 6 months ago
Excellent. My thoughts exactly. I am always telling my friend to do so.
tcharlesrea 6 months ago
@zacharylutz5
America has lost its tripple AAA status today
2008 Donald Trump said that the world is entering the biggest deppesion ever. It will make the 1930,s look like a walk in the park.
Bad times ahead me thinks
deadrebel2 5 months ago
@deadrebel2 thanks for that mate.
20cFilmWannabe 5 months ago
@zacharylutz5
american apologists... classic
Albyiscool 5 months ago
@zacharylutz5 from what i can gather he's not a fan of the PRICK who's running our country...that is a FACT!...NEITHER IS MORRISSEY OR JOHNNY MARR....
74bomayemcfc 5 months ago
@zacharylutz5 This is a song about the hypocrisy of the left and the evil of the right. Basically it attacks both sides Labour and Conservatives. True to character the left think it is merely an attack on the class system and the tories, when he is attacking both.
warriorprince1010 5 months ago
great ,,,luv foxton,,,amazing
calboy64 8 months ago
*Eton
xWoodcockx 8 months ago 2