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@venzalfred1 Jejemon, please start typing correctly. It's not surprising to find out that Villar attracts people such as yourself. What he did is similar to plagiarism and you should see through your chosen candidate's lies. Before you say anything about any other candidate you must have EVIDENCE. This Is The Truth and Lost Generation are examples of works copied by Villar. If what we said truly does not mean anything to you, then you should not have bothered typing a comment.
@quesoarmy Hindi dahil may mga nagsabing kinopya ni Villar ang patalastas mula sa Argentina ang mga nagsusuporta kay Aquino ang tumutugis sa kanya. Hindi lang sila ang may mga nararamdamang pandaraya sa paggamit ni Villar ng patalastas na kinopya mula sa iba. Kinakailangan naman talaga ni Villar gumawa ng mga nakaka-wow na patalastas kasi bumababa na siya sa ratings.
@ferlie219 Eh ano naman kung ginaya ni villar, big deal? hindi naman. marami naman na siyang natulungan, at tutulungan palang, kaya ako, SOLID VILLAR!
Manny Villar hired the expertise of TBWA/Philippines. The very same ad company that made the Argentinian Ad Campaign of Lopez Murphy. They admitted that it adapted the Villar ad from the Argentinian politician's ad. The agency said it belongs to a worldwide network of ad agencies and that many of its ideas for ads have been adapted in several ... See Morecountries. Among its ideas are ads for adidas, Pedigree, Absolut, Apple and Nivea.
imo, not to defend villar, but this style of video has been around the net. i don't think anyone can own the idea of this type of videos. and the content, i dont think this is tagalog either.
@0747542 Umm, name another video with this same style, if, as you have said, this "style of video has been around the net." The message/content of this Lopez Murphy political ad was plagiarized, plain and simple.
@0747542 Really? I bet you just found out this video (other than Villar's) just now. If you really did saw others, guess what? There's still a proper term for that: PLAGIARISM.
What's the prob with that? Its called plagiarism, berniebette. Plagiarism is an act of dishonesty. So its very telling of his set values, including yours, doesn't it?
Fernando Sorín didn't write the music. The first track is "La Dispute", and the second is the piano arrangement of "La Valse D'Amelie". Both are by Yann Tiersen, and are part of the soundtrack for the film "Amelie"
The song in the first half is La Dispute by Yann Tiersen, the second half is La Valse D'Amelie by Yann Tiersen also! Both songs are from, as far as i know, the BRILLIANT French film Amelie.
Best political ad I've seen. Sad Lopez Murphy didn't won, though... If he's nearly as creative as his campaign crew, Argentina could indeed be saved...
And no, that statement is not a palindrome because a palindrome is the same physically when read backwards. Like "racecar" or "Able I was ere I saw Elba."
Actually, palindromes can use groups of words, or just the words themselves. This, in particular, is a line-unit palindrome poem. Check out a more famous palindrome poem called Doppelganger. Next time you try to correct someone, you should make sure that you actually know what you're talking about.
Doppelganger is a palindrome, but even though this text makes sense when read forward or in reverse, this is not a palindrome since you can't start either with the first line and read forward, or the last line and read in reverse and still be the same text, and it does not even qualify as a poem either! It's just a political text that can be read in either direction.
Next time you try to correct someone, you should make sure that you actually know what you're talking about.
Doppelganger is in the same exact format as this speech. While it may not be a poem, it copies the format of a palindrome poem. If a transcript of the speech was written out, it would begin and end with the same line, and could be read from either direction.
I think that's just part of the definition. Here is Wikipedia's , which I agree with:
"A palindrome is a word, phrase, number or other sequence of units that can be read the same way in either direction (the adjustment of punctuation and spaces between words is generally permitted)"
The important thing about palindromes is that the whole thing can be read the same way in either direction.
This speech can be read in either direction, but cannot be read the in reverse and still be the same.
The advert certainly has characteristics of a palindrome, but its presentation (the creative reversal of direction of the highlighted area) may mean it doesn't visually fall directly into the parameters of definition.
However if the advert was simply read to you (without you seeing the words) you could argue that it has the same format as Doppelganger - a line unit palindrome.
Therefore it's a palindrome in narrated prose, but not necessarily in visual presentation.
It doesn't matter if it sounds similar or if it can be read in reverse. To be a palindrome it must fit the definition. Doppelganger is a palindrome because it fits the definition, while this speech doesn't.
If one creates a computer program to identify palindromes this would not pass, because it must be the same when read forward or in reverse (in accordance with the constraints and flexibility presented in the definition).
Ok, hypothetically, can a palindrome exist without being written down? E.g. can I create one in my head and perform it? Answer, I would have thought is yes. And therefore can a performance of prose be recognised as a palindrome by an audience? I would have thought logically yes.
So the question I ask is that would a blind expert in palindromes recognise the advert above as a palindrome (a line unit version)? Or not?
Perhaps the advert is visually not a palindrome, but it is in narration.
That still does not count, because some might say yes and some might say no. It's not a matter of opinion or vote.
Any expert should know what's a palindrome and what's not, and to make that difference he/she would use the criteria of the definition, that would include also a blind expert of course. Therefore I would assume that the blind expert would not recognize it a palindrome just as any other expert would not either.
Hehe, I tried to draw out a greater understanding of the concept of a Palindrome by looking at both sides of the arguement and what has happened is that on a Friday night I've been drawn into a typical non-compromising online post-fest when I should be chilling out!
If I'm totally honest I don't know and can't prove the correct answer (although I think I'm right).
Just one final question. What proof would the blind expert give to prove that the advert was not a palindrome?
And to use your computer program arguement. If the computer only had an audio input to listen to a) a narrated version of this advert and b) the poem Doppelganger, would it differentiate that Doppelganger was a palindrome and this advert was not?
I don't believe it would. Both would pass the test as palindromes.
Although if a computer that looked at them solely visually, it WOULD say this advert was NOT a palindrome and Doppelganger WAS.
The argument you are posing goes like this: "this sounds pretty much like a palindrome that it's hard to tell the difference, so it qualifies as one at least in the audio part". But that's a false-positive. That is that things that do not fit the actual definition can fall in your assumption, that would even include a computer program.
A well written program and a clean input would probably disqualify the advert as a palindrome. Continues...
I get what you're saying. I really do. It's all interesting points that are being thrown up.
Out of interest, I'd appreciate examples of both how the blind expert and audio only computer program would prove they're not palindromes. You can't just say that they would, that's supposition not fact.
Oh, and to continue on your developed argument. If a piece of prose was a palindrome in some circumstances, but not in others. Is it or is it not a palindrome? Can it both be and not be at the same time? It's all down to interpretation. Just because a piece of prose fails to be a palindrome in some cases is not justification to deny it's a palindrome in others. Perhaps the advert is both a palindrome and not.
Ok ok , just seen your second reply, one second (this is getting silly)...
You would think that a blind expert would recognize the ad as a palindrome, and I say that he would not. Both are assumptions, not evidence, and that is exactly my point.
The only fact is the definition. So, under the definition I have actually proven that "visually" this is not palindrome, in the other hand you have to yet prove that it is in the audio part,
If it's a palindrome in some parts, but not in others, then it's not a palindrome.
Putin and his brainless servants plagiary, stole this idea and words ad verbum.
What a misery, such a shame...
naduril 3 months ago 3
the text was 100% translated to russian and used line by line (stolen?) by Mr.Putin in 2011 election company.
2507026 3 months ago 3
Amelie!!! La valse d'Amelie <3
darkendivide 4 months ago
excellent!
bytebacktv 4 months ago
It is true.
Gnusnii 4 months ago
Vladimir Putin's political strategists have stolen the idea of this movie, the details in the video on my account.
velzevulkapital 4 months ago 10
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velzevulkapital 4 months ago
Did it get any votes?
tamfang 5 months ago
@tamfang 18%, so he ended third, and didn't get in the ballotage.
05LesPaul 5 months ago
@tamfang yes he did, but he didnt win, he got 3rd place
Knappe94 3 months ago
La Dispute! Yann Tiersen! love that song. cool video.
Everchanging91 9 months ago 2
Lopez Murphy is stupid and USA
VIVA ARGENTINA
VIVA CRISTINA FERNANDEZ DE KIRCHNER!
keipertkpo 9 months ago
This is a brilliant ad. I say nothing about the person or government it supports, but the ad is brilliant.
bananaphoneist 11 months ago 7
@bananaphoneist The guy never won the election, this was in 2003, now his political carrer is over. I'm Argentinean.
05LesPaul 5 months ago
Argentina has the best advertisers and the worst politicians.
mistermochuelo 1 year ago 26
@mistermochuelo Unfortunately you are right
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nungipup 1 year ago
Funny how this guy was part of the corrupt cabal that destroyed argentina
greenman92553 1 year ago 5
@greenman92553 jaja thats truth jajaa XD
envasenoretornable 1 year ago
the best ad ever
MrMrkky 1 year ago
This is a great ad in a sea of junk tv
RedPanda79 1 year ago
the advertisers who were behind this ad are geniuses! it's a shame he didn't win that election :(
rinizbeaniez 1 year ago
Ahahaha holy shit that was great
sygnus5 1 year ago
fantastic ad!! well made.
Hybridtheory2007 1 year ago
All I can say is...WOW.
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djsyasi 1 year ago
21 people can Go F TheirSelves.
djsyasi 1 year ago 3
what a brilliant ad.
hillhack 1 year ago
this is so clever
xoXobabii0o 1 year ago
Anyone else notice the similarity to the later (2007 I think), prize winning, "lost generation"?
figgles11 1 year ago
Thanks Gruen Nation - great ad better TV show
swaneey 1 year ago 3
Thanks Gruen - great ad better TV show
swaneey 1 year ago
great ad, even though he only got 1% of the votes
HOCKAKAY 1 year ago
Thanks Gruen Nation for spotting this!
moosecat76 1 year ago 38
Didn't realize they speak English as the main language in Argentina
DTcarlton 1 year ago 3
@DTcarlton We don´t. We talk spanish.
ermestosobalatronca 1 year ago
Lost generation is wayyyyyyyy better
FanOfTheTaco 1 year ago
whats the music?
sahilgupta10 1 year ago
@sahilgupta10 look for "Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain"
Unleashmywealth 1 year ago
@sahilgupta10
For everyone wondering of the music, it is Yann Tiersen, and yes he work was used alot with Amelie.
GretschO7 1 year ago
what namn ko kinopya nya i2.....at least 220 lhat ng mga snbi nya...c noynoy may nagawa ba sa senado...wla dba..nilampaso pa nga sya ni lito lapid sa padamihan ng project ehh.....kaya kahit anung sabihn nyo ....wla lng yan...
venzalfred1 1 year ago
@venzalfred1 Jejemon, please start typing correctly. It's not surprising to find out that Villar attracts people such as yourself. What he did is similar to plagiarism and you should see through your chosen candidate's lies. Before you say anything about any other candidate you must have EVIDENCE. This Is The Truth and Lost Generation are examples of works copied by Villar. If what we said truly does not mean anything to you, then you should not have bothered typing a comment.
trasoooy 1 year ago
i like the songs. they use both of them in Amelie
eviexolove 1 year ago
kung ano ang i-present sa kanya campaign material ng mga tauhan nya, kapag maganda shempre gagamitin nya.
at galing sa point of view ng isang taong busy sa buhay, sa tingin nyo may oras si villar para manuod ng youtube videos? ano naman malay nya dito
bnkrmike29 1 year ago
So what kung ginaya nya? ang babaw nyo naman! pati yan kinakarni ninyo! mg adesperadong supporter ni noynoy!
quesoarmy 1 year ago
@quesoarmy Hindi dahil may mga nagsabing kinopya ni Villar ang patalastas mula sa Argentina ang mga nagsusuporta kay Aquino ang tumutugis sa kanya. Hindi lang sila ang may mga nararamdamang pandaraya sa paggamit ni Villar ng patalastas na kinopya mula sa iba. Kinakailangan naman talaga ni Villar gumawa ng mga nakaka-wow na patalastas kasi bumababa na siya sa ratings.
trasoooy 1 year ago
grabe copy cat si Villar!! kakahiya!!
ferlie219 1 year ago
@ferlie219 I Know right. :( Villar sucks!
jesstam011 1 year ago
@ferlie219 Eh ano naman kung ginaya ni villar, big deal? hindi naman. marami naman na siyang natulungan, at tutulungan palang, kaya ako, SOLID VILLAR!
quesoarmy 1 year ago
@quesoarmy Let's see if he gets past elections, then we test what kind of person he truly is.
trasoooy 1 year ago
villar..OMG
oclaris2009 1 year ago
wow! im impressed with this campaign!
louissa22 1 year ago
langhiya and villar agreed to do something that has been done many many MANNY times before. hahay.
MyGoddessArtemis 1 year ago
Villar,,KING OF MIMICRY
kiCkLikEiSay 1 year ago
does this make manny villar less capable?
btw i think it's a great ad.
mik0y7 1 year ago
walang originality c villar.....
TheGleeson25 1 year ago
Manny Villar hired the expertise of TBWA/Philippines. The very same ad company that made the Argentinian Ad Campaign of Lopez Murphy. They admitted that it adapted the Villar ad from the Argentinian politician's ad. The agency said it belongs to a worldwide network of ad agencies and that many of its ideas for ads have been adapted in several ... See Morecountries. Among its ideas are ads for adidas, Pedigree, Absolut, Apple and Nivea.
coolmacky 1 year ago
@coolmacky may i know your source?
lgoopio 1 year ago
Great, but also check out "The future of publishing", also on Youtube, created by DK Publishing
issidorides 1 year ago
liarroyo!
sorlem88 1 year ago
@sorlem88 nice comment. He is such a liar. He even used the death of his brother Danny in one of his commercial, shame on him!
o4elle 1 year ago
@o4elle
Their ad agencies are the same. TBWA.
berniebette 1 year ago
Ohhhh. So Villar's plagiarizing eh? Wow. model president talaga. (sarcasm)
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@iamsuperchristian
Their ad agencies are the same. TBWA.
berniebette 1 year ago
This ad is so brilliant that had to Manny Villar copy it. What a shame Villar! What a shame!
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@anonymously01
Their ad agencies are the same. TBWA.
berniebette 1 year ago
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This ad is so brilliant that had to Manny Villar copy it. What a shame Villar! What a shame!
anonymously01 1 year ago
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anonymously01 1 year ago
Manny Villar is a liar!!!!!
LhizYchan16 1 year ago
@LhizYchan16
Their ad agencies are the same. TBWA.
berniebette 1 year ago
still campaign season and already a cheater? villar cannot anymore change his nature
gabriellesimoun 1 year ago
@gabriellesimoun
Their ad agencies are the same. TBWA.
berniebette 1 year ago
Si Money Villar ang GAYA GAYA! Si Money Villar ang tunay na SININGALING! ahahaha!
crakhead1984 1 year ago
@crakhead1984
Their ad agencies are the same. TBWA.
berniebette 1 year ago
hahah.. ginaya ni VILLAROYO! waaah!
MAN+EVIL+LIAR talaga!
zieme0328 1 year ago
@zieme0328
Their ad agencies are the same. TBWA.
berniebette 1 year ago
imo, not to defend villar, but this style of video has been around the net. i don't think anyone can own the idea of this type of videos. and the content, i dont think this is tagalog either.
0747542 1 year ago
@0747542 Umm, name another video with this same style, if, as you have said, this "style of video has been around the net." The message/content of this Lopez Murphy political ad was plagiarized, plain and simple.
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@thincrust88
Their ad agencies are the same. TBWA.
berniebette 1 year ago
@0747542 Really? I bet you just found out this video (other than Villar's) just now. If you really did saw others, guess what? There's still a proper term for that: PLAGIARISM.
iamsuperchristian 1 year ago
@iamsuperchristian
Their ad agencies are the same. TBWA.
berniebette 1 year ago
Fack Villar. taking from someone's campaign adds and copied it. fack him.
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@markalonzo23
Their ad agencies are the same. TBWA.
berniebette 1 year ago
@markalonzo23 Which one? Even so, is it a complete copy or an adaptation of the system?
Denon333dash888 1 year ago
@kingandaubrey yup..... PLAGIARIZED BY SEN. MANNY VILLAR, for short
MrMiguelE 1 year ago 3
this has been ripped off by Manny Villar (and whichever ad agency he hired)
PsalmLove 1 year ago
good ad:-bd
04Fabregas07Beckham 1 year ago
a Politician in the Philippines plagiarize this ad.
disneycarlo 1 year ago 2
What's the prob with that? Its called plagiarism, berniebette. Plagiarism is an act of dishonesty. So its very telling of his set values, including yours, doesn't it?
madonna0124 1 year ago 7
@madonna0124 Plagiarism, as far as I know, is illegal, as in you can go to jail.
That is all.
iliveibreathe 1 year ago
FUCKING great!!!
ratzcicle 1 year ago
FUCKING great!!!
ratzcicle 1 year ago
simply amazing....
WISHM4KER2000 1 year ago
This is quite predictable, though I must say it's not that easy to create these reversible paragraphs
missxXxunderstood 1 year ago
this ad was copied by a politician in the philippines who is running for president.
chicckka 1 year ago
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berniebette 1 year ago
he's not claiming it's his original idea.. so whats the prob with that?
berniebette 1 year ago
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bullshit, argentina is a corrupt and hypocritical nation. remember the Military dictatorship and the dirty war. a leopard never changes its spots.
southsydney 1 year ago
amazing stuff dude
yoteloexplico 1 year ago
Hats off to the RECREAR guys!! awesome stuff...i m a fan 4 life !!
vbkindropzone 1 year ago
This is art!
Cherry12358 2 years ago
Unreal! YES!!!
alohasurfguidevideos 2 years ago
Very, very clever. I like that a lot. Al gran pueblo Argentino Salud.
saintmirrenmalky 2 years ago 2
A great advert. Artistic. Intelligent. Inspired!
What a great piece of work!
totallyHATINGlife 2 years ago 2
BRILLANT WRITING
ass1609 2 years ago
يلي اتسب البراك هع هع هع
والله انك قواد هع بايق الموضوع ومسوي علبن انا الفلته اقووول اتعرف عيري ولا اخلي اختك اتعلمك هع هع
NASSER1235 2 years ago
intense 2 minutes
ParamjitGill1 2 years ago
I got the chills from this video. It's really great.
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AxaPolicy50007837 2 years ago
this is the one of the creative ads I've ever seen!!!
polente100 2 years ago
wow
roughtless 2 years ago
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hope loads of people turned off the TV half way through like "FUCK HIM !"
mindandsoulknowledge 2 years ago
Great ad...did he win?
sabrin321 2 years ago
@sabrin321 He Came Fourth.
swantonbomber3 2 years ago
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Kenob6 2 years ago
bloody brilliant
Danjiruto 2 years ago 3
took the words out of my mouth!
cajen53 2 years ago
Yann Tierson Music!
This is a genius ad! I don't know about the candidate, but I love his commercial. : D
ElizaAcheron 2 years ago
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thank god he didn't get elected.
Pepe5667 2 years ago
Very good idea. The SPD (social democratic party of germany) has recently copied it for the votes on September 27th.
Search for "Sie haben die Wahl" by "SieHabenDieWahl09"
borlox 2 years ago
la valise d'amelie is the music
LosChrisos 2 years ago 3
This is so clever. It's just a shame he didn't get elected.
rosriley 2 years ago 11
He is a son of a bitch that sunk us to misery and despair in the 90s
He even reduced a miserable social security so he could give all the money to the IMF.
This fucker does not deserve to be elected. He deserves to be hanged
greenman92553 2 years ago
Wiki'd him ... yeah I see he's on their side ... crap.
Really neat ad, bad politician
RomanticLefty21 2 years ago
@rosriley Lopez Murphy is an idiot and a thief. I thank God that he didn't get elected.
lmchucho 1 year ago
great:)
sian1985 2 years ago
thats very nice
Rassamdul 2 years ago
Fernando Sorín didn't write the music. The first track is "La Dispute", and the second is the piano arrangement of "La Valse D'Amelie". Both are by Yann Tiersen, and are part of the soundtrack for the film "Amelie"
FuriousGopher 2 years ago
Palindromes are awesome - rise to vote sir!
MarshMellowLin 2 years ago 2
haha
joey19123 2 years ago
i love this!
smellyfish555 2 years ago
This is on that commercial breakdown show now. Can someone give me a link to previous new zealand ad about the wailing woman on omsk?
Many thanks.
filmfanatic99 2 years ago
yeah! i was looking for that as well, but i haven't been able to find it haha
suspendedanimation 2 years ago
Wow, tears in my eyes. So clever. And heartfelt.
LexxKitty 2 years ago
Guys, what's the name of the song in the second half of the video?
TheScrubDown 2 years ago
The song in the first half is La Dispute by Yann Tiersen, the second half is La Valse D'Amelie by Yann Tiersen also! Both songs are from, as far as i know, the BRILLIANT French film Amelie.
zombieofdeath101 2 years ago 2
just watched this on Commercial Breakdown on tv. was very funny :P
conni537 2 years ago
yeah thats where i saw it too
KlubmixZ 2 years ago
omg, this is brilliant, its a shame he only came fourth
mrsuperdino 2 years ago
Awesomee.
stephr0xurs0x 2 years ago
Lol, too bad if the tv-stations said something like: sorry, we only have time for the first half of the commercial..xD
Raikara 2 years ago 9
Just awesome. :)
WePandas 2 years ago
sad enough, he ended up fourth
vmcshade 2 years ago
it just briljand!
lunazuko 2 years ago
woow this campaigncommercial is crazy, but brilliant!
i am stunned :o
willemNederland 2 years ago
Best political ad I've seen. Sad Lopez Murphy didn't won, though... If he's nearly as creative as his campaign crew, Argentina could indeed be saved...
darkblue5 2 years ago
Hey, that song is from Amelie! I love that movie!
And no, that statement is not a palindrome because a palindrome is the same physically when read backwards. Like "racecar" or "Able I was ere I saw Elba."
But I'm just arguing semantics.
Cheltsea87 2 years ago
mali lor4e kak 6te te pera v gazqgata :D
sashonikolaevnikolov 2 years ago
Copy / Paste
StanimiraBg 2 years ago
nego gledaite pulni gluposti :D:D lora da ti go slagam v pi4kata
sashonikolaevnikolov 2 years ago
hahahah qvno ne go biva :P~ :D
StanimiraBg 2 years ago
nego biva neta ti lora :D
sashonikolaevnikolov 2 years ago
Yes, THIS is brilliant. How does redoing it with a new set of cliched text (Lost Generation) make that version "great"?
Sorry kids. This goes beyond "Mashups" - Lost Generation is just a direct lift. If you did this in professional world, your career would be over.
Originality, a lost art.
rockyPants4000 2 years ago
Got here from the 'Lost Generation' video. Very nicely done.
WhiteHawkUK 2 years ago
the whole world needs to turn upside down
mikejarr 2 years ago 2
Buenísimo!!!!
gksas01 2 years ago
did this win uhm first place in the contest?
Merksinator 2 years ago
Brilliant
luciobabbouzza 2 years ago 2
what type of writing is this? it is so amazing!
edifier1994 2 years ago 4
it's a palindrome
paigepwnsn00bs 2 years ago 2
Nope. Palindromes are sequences of characters that can be read the sameway in either direction,
cperez1000 2 years ago
Actually, palindromes can use groups of words, or just the words themselves. This, in particular, is a line-unit palindrome poem. Check out a more famous palindrome poem called Doppelganger. Next time you try to correct someone, you should make sure that you actually know what you're talking about.
paigepwnsn00bs 2 years ago 2
Wrong.
Doppelganger is a palindrome, but even though this text makes sense when read forward or in reverse, this is not a palindrome since you can't start either with the first line and read forward, or the last line and read in reverse and still be the same text, and it does not even qualify as a poem either! It's just a political text that can be read in either direction.
Next time you try to correct someone, you should make sure that you actually know what you're talking about.
cperez1000 2 years ago
Doppelganger is in the same exact format as this speech. While it may not be a poem, it copies the format of a palindrome poem. If a transcript of the speech was written out, it would begin and end with the same line, and could be read from either direction.
paigepwnsn00bs 2 years ago
I think that's just part of the definition. Here is Wikipedia's , which I agree with:
"A palindrome is a word, phrase, number or other sequence of units that can be read the same way in either direction (the adjustment of punctuation and spaces between words is generally permitted)"
The important thing about palindromes is that the whole thing can be read the same way in either direction.
This speech can be read in either direction, but cannot be read the in reverse and still be the same.
cperez1000 2 years ago
I think you're both right.
The advert certainly has characteristics of a palindrome, but its presentation (the creative reversal of direction of the highlighted area) may mean it doesn't visually fall directly into the parameters of definition.
However if the advert was simply read to you (without you seeing the words) you could argue that it has the same format as Doppelganger - a line unit palindrome.
Therefore it's a palindrome in narrated prose, but not necessarily in visual presentation.
henrymclay 2 years ago
It doesn't matter if it sounds similar or if it can be read in reverse. To be a palindrome it must fit the definition. Doppelganger is a palindrome because it fits the definition, while this speech doesn't.
If one creates a computer program to identify palindromes this would not pass, because it must be the same when read forward or in reverse (in accordance with the constraints and flexibility presented in the definition).
cperez1000 2 years ago
Ok, hypothetically, can a palindrome exist without being written down? E.g. can I create one in my head and perform it? Answer, I would have thought is yes. And therefore can a performance of prose be recognised as a palindrome by an audience? I would have thought logically yes.
So the question I ask is that would a blind expert in palindromes recognise the advert above as a palindrome (a line unit version)? Or not?
Perhaps the advert is visually not a palindrome, but it is in narration.
henrymclay 2 years ago
That still does not count, because some might say yes and some might say no. It's not a matter of opinion or vote.
Any expert should know what's a palindrome and what's not, and to make that difference he/she would use the criteria of the definition, that would include also a blind expert of course. Therefore I would assume that the blind expert would not recognize it a palindrome just as any other expert would not either.
cperez1000 2 years ago
Hehe, I tried to draw out a greater understanding of the concept of a Palindrome by looking at both sides of the arguement and what has happened is that on a Friday night I've been drawn into a typical non-compromising online post-fest when I should be chilling out!
If I'm totally honest I don't know and can't prove the correct answer (although I think I'm right).
Just one final question. What proof would the blind expert give to prove that the advert was not a palindrome?
It continues...
:)
henrymclay 2 years ago
And to use your computer program arguement. If the computer only had an audio input to listen to a) a narrated version of this advert and b) the poem Doppelganger, would it differentiate that Doppelganger was a palindrome and this advert was not?
I don't believe it would. Both would pass the test as palindromes.
Although if a computer that looked at them solely visually, it WOULD say this advert was NOT a palindrome and Doppelganger WAS.
Blah, blah, blah...
(hope your Friday is going well!)
henrymclay 2 years ago
The argument you are posing goes like this: "this sounds pretty much like a palindrome that it's hard to tell the difference, so it qualifies as one at least in the audio part". But that's a false-positive. That is that things that do not fit the actual definition can fall in your assumption, that would even include a computer program.
A well written program and a clean input would probably disqualify the advert as a palindrome. Continues...
cperez1000 2 years ago
The question would be instead "What proof would you give to prove that the advert is a palindrome?"
Presupposing what would some might hear or not does not qualify as evidence.
In order for your idea to work you would have to change the definition.
cperez1000 2 years ago
I get what you're saying. I really do. It's all interesting points that are being thrown up.
Out of interest, I'd appreciate examples of both how the blind expert and audio only computer program would prove they're not palindromes. You can't just say that they would, that's supposition not fact.
henrymclay 2 years ago
Oh, and to continue on your developed argument. If a piece of prose was a palindrome in some circumstances, but not in others. Is it or is it not a palindrome? Can it both be and not be at the same time? It's all down to interpretation. Just because a piece of prose fails to be a palindrome in some cases is not justification to deny it's a palindrome in others. Perhaps the advert is both a palindrome and not.
Ok ok , just seen your second reply, one second (this is getting silly)...
henrymclay 2 years ago
You would think that a blind expert would recognize the ad as a palindrome, and I say that he would not. Both are assumptions, not evidence, and that is exactly my point.
The only fact is the definition. So, under the definition I have actually proven that "visually" this is not palindrome, in the other hand you have to yet prove that it is in the audio part,
If it's a palindrome in some parts, but not in others, then it's not a palindrome.
Continues...
cperez1000 2 years ago
If you saw the script that Lopez Murphy read from you'd identify it as a palindrome I bet.
Look, let's agree to disagree before we drive each other mad!
Best wishes,
Henry.