Maybe ill join a school one day, heck I should. Noticed that before I started trying to teach myself certain techniques and moves from say boxing,karate, i was faster and stronger. I assume because my natural way of movement was an unconcious reaction compared to recreating a punch, kick, or block from something i saw. Truth is no martial artist should or will flow the same because the natural way is what pertains to u.
Thats not how the ready position is shown in Tao of Jeet Kune Do, but you are also supposed to adapt it for yourself. Your heels should be raised to increase your instant mobility and your forward leg should be turned slightly inward to protect your groin. You should also not line up square with an opponent so they have less target area to hit.
omg the position of jeet kune do...there is no position please stop teaching something what never exist remember bruce without technik without thoughts just try to be a human
this is all incorrect, JKD must be formless, like water, its about instincts and when he expands you contract when he contracts you expand. its the way of the intercepting fist. to reach me you must move towards me. there are no opponents
Sifu Dwigt, just tell me one thing, I can take small steps (or little jumps) in this position to promote the speed of my attack, and even the speed of my escape, right?
@alxiaaa speed and power come from the hips and legs never jump while your punching. the cross hook cross is the basis of all fighting if you master the mechanics of cross hook cross. everything else such as jab, body hook, uppercut, slashing with a knife, swining a stick will have power also. the body mechanics is all the same.
@1fightforright23 If you never jump when your punching, why is the superman so good? True it is more of a skip, but for a split second both feet are off the ground. Plus when you jump, you've got the force of gravity with your hole body. I'd say done economicly and as one might do a jumping side kick, Front kick, etc. May be just as effective as a punch. And the original comment is referring to the mobility system in JKD which is that of fencing and often uses little jumps, more or less strides.
@AoDNightmare oh my god for that split second your power diminishes into nothing and for your information superman is not that good. In jun fun Gung fu there is step & slide, slide and step, push shuffel ect these are fencing footwork if done properly both feet will not leave the ground and your foundation will always be strong
@1fightforright23 lol yes i know this, and the superman is very good, just look for its use in MMA, its rather effective. Its what anderson silva knocked forrest griffin out with. A stepping back superman. So tell me, how does my power diminish? Its free falling, it goes no where, and if anything increases. For when you punch and your foot lands before the punch, your punching power will be diminished. You lose force when your body weight starts to go back into the ground.
@AoDNightmare the force of gravity will pull you down that means that your power will sucked away from you!! your power needs to go forward and through the target not down Read the bruce lee fighting method series you will find that both feet do not leave when he exicutes a move.
@1fightforright23 yes of course the pull of gravity will pull you down, thats the point. And from a high altitude you can easily punch in the face. But i have read the bruce lee fighting method many times. And yes his basic shuffle doesn't technicaly leave the ground. But the double advance does. Besides bruce wanted people to build and grow. Just try it out, you may be suprised with the results. I can explain how to do it if you would like?
@AoDNightmare o.k I would like you to try my method as well stand in one spot push off your rear foot, as you punch turn the body as you produce the cross I think that I am going to start making vids damonstrating good body mechanics. What is the superman? I thought you ment Tommy Carrathers
@1fightforright23 Trust me man, ive ready every book on bruce lee and his fighting habits, many many many times. I know his mechanics and his footwork. But I got the feel of how he was trying to keep his body weight solid and in somewhat of perpetual motion, and I am trying to expand on it, even if it means practicing unorthadox moves. But found effective, would it matter if it is unorthadox?
@1fightforright23 well i started in tang so doo, which is a korean martial art. Studied that for about 7 years. From there i delved into all of bruce lees books. My striking stems from his JKD analysis. Im also incorportating Judo, wrestling, 10th Planet Jui Jitsu . Im real interested in real world deffence. I would like to call my personal expression of the martial arts. White Dragon Martial arts. I also have influences from tai chi in me and wing chun.
@1fightforright23 well i love all of them, and they are all part of combat so i enjoy them all, each offers a different standpoint. But the striking arts have prbly most influenced me in my progress. I love the technicality of stand up. Its more free than ground fighting. However i constantly strive to find ways to bridge the gap into grappling, should i ever need to. And most likely will. Like i said before, I aim at real world effectiveness
@AoDNightmare Recomendations on realistic fighting arts , Krav Maga, filipino kali, Jun fun gung fu, cqc, boxing, mma. I know the last two are sports but I know you will take away things that you will like about them! In terms of JKD you are on the right path you have fully understood the concept. As for the superman I remmber a mate of mine doing it while doing mma.
@AoDNightmare to perform this punch u launch off the front foot and as your in mid air you cross and kick out with your rear foot. this means that you are u useing the right body mechanics as your in the air. the power comes from your hip and legs. you have strong legs I have seen your clips. you cannot do this with a jab!
@1fightforright23 lol yeah i know i cant do it with a job, its the leading straight. I've tried to develop it into a jab like technique (speed and repetivness wise.)
@1fightforright23 if by this punch you mean the superman, i know this. I was just giving an example of a "jumping" punch. To do it with the straight right, i would gain the momentum by using motion to that of the side kick, bringing my front knee up and pushing off (up and forward) the back foot as my knee reaches its highest point. From there I wip out the straight lead while hurling torward my opponent with the force of gravity combined.
@AoDNightmare I personaly feel that this punch leaves you in a vunerable position when used however if it works for you and expresses you in an extrem situation use it but you have the right idea. but you must establish a basi which you can expand upon. I will send you a personal message
@1fightforright23 The superman is done by lifting your front foot off the ground, acting as if you are about to attack in some way. Then you push of your rear foot and let your front foot drop. You will feel your balance fall forward very well. During that period of movement you deliver the rear cross, or you can do it with the lead straight as well. I can explain this Jumping punch if you'd like as well.
@icefiredarksector748 yes , its a black man giving wrong information on jkd..so I hope this black man stops posting JKD...just post it as Capoeira...or black martial arts system..and stop JKD name distortion
Ok, but wasn't JKD all about having your own way of doing it? This guy's just demonstrating his own style. I don't this his skin color has anything to do with it.
It doesn't mean you practice some unknown form of other martial arts ..and then label this as Jeet kune do..and get away with this cause you are Black no way...
This is not Jeet kune do... The black man in the video is some classical mess
Didn't Bruce Lee seek to liberate people from styles and set forms by creating a free form art? Wasn't that his message? He once said in Enter the Dragon that there is no style. During the production of the Game of Death, he climbed up a tower and fought different fighters with different styles of their own. He was trying to prove that because he had no distinct style, he could adapt to any situation.
@icefiredarksector748 , You are definitely correct about that, that is why this video as claimed by the black man was not JKD , It has style, it has classical form,
JKD = western boxing ( 1900s - 1930s ) , European fencing footwork , french savate kicking techniques , and modified wing chun.
The moves shown are definitely not one of the above ...it is some kind of kung fu monkey style boxing.
This dude is putting to much thought and lines to his art, I have always learned with JKD that simplicity and goig with the flow its the main principle, this guy is giving me a diffren timpression
Bruce lee's martial art is very useful, but hardly anyone can match his speed and power in his art. Thats because his art was obviously centered around his own philosophy and what he knew about his body. Its easy to take jeet kune do and learn, but to take many styles and make them your own creates a different atmosphere entirely
@hakuboshi1 hay nice to see some one wid same thinking. yes it is true that bruce learn many and took what was good for him and disregard what was not , i have learn a few and wing tsun is one of them i have friend who do wt but he not perperd to learn any thing new to bring into his sytem it about adapting to what ever the stuation is at the time if you in a fight and some ting not work at the time chge it to som ting that do i am to old to stand toe to toe so i need to fin a fight fast
Bla bla bla... what comments..?. Bruce is another thingh, that is the point. And nobody will never comprend completly his way of fighting. All his funs thinking this or that but fondametaly is impossible to realise what Bruce realize in his life. Bruce is only one, like his way to live and ingrooving martial art. Point.
ok this doesn't make any sense, maybe i'm totally wrong but i thought jkd was supposed to be self taught, just plain and simple moves with non-telegraphic motions, other than sparring i don't see why people pay to do these classes if bruce lee never even intended to make it a fighting style
self-taught is not the key factor of Jeet Kune Do; it's freedom without restrictions. Basically, Bruce Lee aimed to develop the most efficient way to engage in combat and, to do so, his pursuit must not be hindered by tradition like other martial arts. Jeet Kune Do is essentially a representation of his pursuit. These classes aren't a way to restrict or contain students; its simply a way of passing on information that he has accumulated.
These classes aren't a way to restrict or contain students; its simply a way of passing on information that he has accumulated. By all means, you can start from scratch and experiment to find the most efficient methods on your own but, chances are you'd end up eventually doing just as what's taught in these classes.
Bruce Lee's done the research, and it is compiled in his classes. These classes are offered so you can catch up to what he's discovered and build from there. If you want to find something out or maybe invent something new- the first step is always to hit the library or Wikipedia and find whats already been discovered; the library is analogous to these classes.
But I can say, that your left leg is no danger for me, because it's simply too far from me.Almost the same situation is with your left hand.
Different stances allows different techniques, so it's not wise to say that there is something like "a perfect" stance.That's why "traditional" MA have so many stances.
Frankly, as I train Muay Thai, in that guys stance he's gonna get his leading leg kicked to fuck because he's off balance.
All it usually takes is a small feint with the jab while stepping slightly to the side to make an angle on the leg and that's it. Especially since he's throwing south paw and the one weakness a south paw has is if you keep your leading LEFT foot on the outside of their leading RIGHt foot. You have the better angle.
I agree his right foot looks pretty vulnerable in the ready position. That's the point of Jeet Kune do though right? He doesn't intent to keep it there. Form takes a back seat as I understand in Jeet Kune do.
Yeah but that's a major weakness to think like that because you're then making expectations of what your opponent is going to be able to actually do.
I fight professionally in thai boxing and I'm sorry but no fighter is intentionally goign to attack where you expect them to. Ie, I notice your leading leg is at a bad angle so i throw a jab, cross combo as a feint to make you cover up and while I'm doing it i make a quick switch to the left and throw a massive kick at the back of the leg.
THat's my point though m8. By the time you've made all those small micromanaging solutions the opening is gone. No fighter I've ever seen can make like 20 leg adjustements by the time the other guy makes one........Unless they're Bruce LEe I make that one exception :P
Man the scenario I just wrote of gets used ALL the time because it's not a micro adjustment. The fighter doesn't break it down into a bunch of separate techniques the way this guy above does. The scenario gets used time and time again, especially with south paw fighters because as any professional fighter worth his salt should know, its the one weakness of south paws is that if you can keep your leading LEFT leg on the outside of his leading RIGHT leg then his leg is vulnerable.
Man, go train in a proper ring sport at a proper gym before talking about fighting because until you do, everything youre trying to talk about is either theory or stuff you've heard of from other people.
You need to relax mate. I agree Bruce was always on the move, but that wasn't my comment. I'm saying the guy moved his back foot and telegraphed the kick off the front. If he was hopping around like Bruce then thats a different matter, but he wasnt. If you set yourself up as an expert you should get it right. I'm merely saying i have seen better. I do not profess to be an expert and i'm sure your credentials are better, as you have clearly watched a lot of Bruce Lee videos. Have a nice day :)
Interested to hear him say you cant tell whether he was going to kick or punch from that position, but as soon as he moved his back foot you could see a kick off the front foot coming a mile off. Not the best ive seen.
ur pretty dumb lol if u ever watched bruce lee in that stance u know he wasn't standing still while punching or kicking.. he was always moving forward/backward sorta dancing so its difficult to see whats about to happen if you are in that stance (IF you got brains to move like bruce lee coz if u stand still ur dead)
I never move around like Bruce Lee, I am 6 foot and have a huge range advantage against almost everyone I fight, and the only thing I do is some small bouncing on the balls of my feet and some up and down hand movement to keep my body moving and ready and to keep their eyes on my hands. It is much more important to move as a smaller fighter because you have to get inside, but moving as an outside fighter can make it so that you are not in the perfect position to strike the second they move in
why do everyone claim this and that about Jeet Kune do when it's all liies..
I don't give a shit if Dan Inosanto (whom i train with) has p[eronally bestowed the rank of full instructor on to you, you're talking shit and COMPLETELY don't have ONE clue about Bruce Lee's JKD Philosophy, BECAUSE there is NO stance, you can do what you like!..
Everyone is an Individual and fight their OWN way.. do what is comfortable for you.. and that will be your own JKD!
i like jeet and judo and everyting,but what counts is not fighting karate vs karate our thay vs thay,what counts is street like situations our on the MMA,it must be effective thats all,the least movements possible,for example in ju jitsu our gracie jitsu you can win fights without any punches our kicks at all
MMA is not a street situation, in the street you are not necessarily one on one, or in an octagon, or unarmed. Street fights are as much about knowing where you are and what is around you as being able to pull of a submission, not to mention I consider MMA the laughing stock of the martial arts world, as their technique is horrible at best, and don't even get me started on their defense.
Sure, if you sent Brock Lesnar out to fight a 120 lb kid that just learned to fight. Go watch fight science, all it takes is a thumb to the armpit and even your roid raging MMA fighters would fall to the ground temporarily paralyzed.
Ha ha. That's not true. Otherwise a whole bunch of MMA fighters who have taken karate or kung fu or wherever you learned that nugget would be doing your armpit trick in competition.
Fight Science was mostly garbage, they showed off alot of technology but the test themselves were hardly "fair". There was huge difference in skill level from individual martial arts. For example if you are going to do a comparison on power it makes sense to get fighters of equal mass, and skill. Not some wushu exibition fighter who can't even throw a punch lmao.
MMA fighters train to compete, the standard is therefore far greater than your average karate fighter or martial artist that trains for street encounters that may never happen. But generalizing styles to be better than others is just dumb, the individual is always greater than the art. 120lb kid would have no chance taking down Lesnar in the ring, but would perfectly possible to do it on the street where anything goes.
Mate, you seriously over estimate exactly how much advantage you think people will have in a street fight. In a street fight you're not going to be capable of anything a trained professional MMA fighter isn't capable of. All the rules you say don't exist for you, DONT EXIST FOR THEM EITHER AND THEYRE NOT IDIOTS. Thats the problem with peopel doing this stuff they immediately make judgements on how someone's going to fight and then turn around and say "and that's why we're better than them"
I disagree. Lots of trained mma fighters will be kids. Some will be old and looking for something to keep them active. Some will be just hopeless and uncoordinated. I stand by what *Jiggsaw said. It's NOT the fighting style, it's the fighter.
Really? Because no martial artist I know trains specifically for street fighting. People train IN martial arts for different reasons, one of them for self defense, but knowing how to throw a punch does not make you a boxer, just like knowing how to arm bar doesn't make you a martial artist.
Good point made. I want to actually train in JKD for self defense in real life situations, to become healthy and fit, and to have more confidence in anything I do. Also, I believe I will find peace and become spiritually connected.
Ha ha. MMA fighters know the difference between a competition and getting jumped on the street, just like everyone else. Why would some MT+BJJ purple+HS wrestler MMA dude be a moron and not know where he is because its in a barroom or living room?
They don't go for taps and submissions if you jump them, duh. Wrestlers don't go for pins and nearfalls if you assault them.
A typical MMA fighter is at least as well prepared to keep his feet and escape a gang than your typical TMA student.
Today JKD is considered a tradition because it has not changed its base concepts and reference styles or techniques for over 30 years. Dwight should say older traditional stances.
A stance and a kick is proven via fullcontact and full resistance. u cant make up a stance or a kick and claim any validity with out evidence. forget TKD, JKD etc. examine the kick not the styles or teachings. if someone delivers a kick and damges the human body it is valid no mater its stance or fancyness
This vid is utter crap, your comment couldn't be further from the truth. Proper JKD as Bruce Lee himself did it was based on Bruce Lee's research into human biomechanics and the laws of physics, these have not changed since the days of de vinci or Isaac Newton, unless you sproat wings or a 3rd leg this won't change for 100s of thousands of years.
The traditional stances are taught to develop power and correct technique. Most traditional martial arts have a practical fighting stance that is very natural and effective.
you wouldn't fight from horse stance and you wouldn't fight from cat stance.
and i've just started reading the tao of jkd, and when he mentions the fighting stance it sounded alot like the practical karate forward stance. also jkd is not a style, it's a philosophy (don't mention the spelling), so if people are comparing this to other styles it shows they don't understand jkd.
"since jkd has no style, it can fit in with all styles".
As I am sure you may know, there are many forms of karate. All of those stances I have seen are visible in those forms of karate. Perhaps something like Kyokushin or Shoto-kan will be more like this, but there are others like Goju-Ryu, or Shyorin-ryu that have stances similar to this.
Also, I think for cat stance he was refering also to Chinese kung fu cat stance, since that is used as a combat stance.
as for JKD, it is a fighting art AND a philosophy.
most karate styles have these stances, but you would'nt use them in a real situation of self defence, and a good sensei would teach that. and jkd is a philosophy of fighting but has no set techniques so is not a style. i think bruce lee used to teach a sort of hybrid of wing chun that was based on the philosophy of jkd.
JKD is a style with set patterns and structure, the concepts are different from the practical aspect of JKD, over the years many ppl have confused jkd with JKD Concepts which are just concepts however Jun Fan JKD currently lead by Ted Wong is the JKD bruce lee was creating and has almost no wing chun left in it, read the tao of JKD or the re edited version by John Little the structure is only used to give students a head start and from there they create there own expression of the human body
if jkd is a style with set patterns then it is not what bruce lee taught. and i really don't know enough too keep arguing the point. and a problem is that there's very threw instructors that actually teach bruce lees jkd, so the only way to get some concept of bruce lees jkd is threw reading stuff thats been edited by other people.
look you dont have to trust in my opinion but this is wat i was taught although it may mean nothing to you let me ensure that my instructor trained under a man named mark who is a student of ted wong who is a student of bruce lee, if you read the re edited version of tao of JKD by john little it clearly explains how jkd can have set patterns and structure despite being formless =]
thx, i think i'll try and find the re edited version. and my veiw of martial arts is that you need to learn the art and then find your own, i think that's basicly what bruce lee was saying, and i think it's most clear in boxing. anyway, thanks for your comments.
You're correct Bruce Lee did used to teach a sort wing chun in his first school but he changed that after he realized set styles and set patterns put limitaions on your ability and adaptability within a fight. He still taught CHI-SAO ( energy hands drill from Ving Tsun) to develop sensitivity. HE changed to begin teaching how to develop the most effective parts of different arts, but not the arts themself. That would be MMA not JKD. You learn the mechanics of an art, not the art itself.
yes bruce lee did learn Wing Chun kung fu he was a student of the late great Sifu Yip Man,but bruce like many martial artists had questions on many things and found some styles ridged and needy more flexibility within the styles and so developed WING CHUN from san shou (chinese kickboxing,western boxing,and wing chun and more.read the tao of bruce lee.
true, but Jeet Kune Do is a mixture of many martials arts, including wing chun, tae kwon do, kung fu. and others that i don't know about. I practice Tae Kwon Do too. But my opinion is that, a mix martial art like the only Jeet kune do is much more powerful that TKD alone.
if your saying Bruce Lee's kick were weak. you really need to study him like i have. I acually did take the time to look him up. In one fight i think, the opponent was watching his feet very carfully. but Bruce Lee knock him out by using his fists. So Both Hands and feet are deadly.
my friend is black belt in TKD and a form doer i dont know what its called
and he showed me some TKD and the pricipals of TKD is much different then Karate and other striking martial art in the way of execution and emphasis is delicate and less rigid.
Atelast that was what i got told by my friend. I tried but he said it turns into karate when done with that kind of force and accuracy and that when he did it itw as delicate swift and had a speciall attitude,, i got more respect for TKD
but im just saying. I have 1 of bruce lee'sbest books called
Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lee's commentaries on the Martial Way
and he lists the pros (good things) and cons (bad things) about different fighting styles somewhere
For TKD he says the pros are Leg Flexibility, Turning Heel Kick, Head Ram. The cons are Lacks Contact, Lacks Broken Rhythm, Lacks Aliveness, Lacks Variety (Mainly only kicking) and impractical for self defence best used for sport
and dont forget bruce lee studied and cross trained different styles for years, and he eventually made his own called Jeet Kune Do and added the effective techniques to it from different martial art styles, he didnt bother with the ineffective techniques
Although he didnt want JKD to be a style, he didnt even want it to have a name, its more of a philosophy, he didnt like people being bound by style and lost in set patterns and trapped like most styles, especially traditional ones
not true he did use tkd kicks. side kick he got from tkd and roundhouse and front kick and hook kick he got. also u the sahshay from savate and use thai and western boxing for punching stuff like that
JKD is not a define style, JKD is meant for an individual to go and find different techniques and use wat he thinks it works for his body type and mentallity
JKD is not a mixture of martial arts. It is a fighting philosophy that puts no limitation on what can be incorporated into the fight. There is no specific right or wrong way as with other arts. You study other arts and utilize their strong points, learn their weak points in order to capitalize on them if confronted with them in an attack.
There are no set patterns like others mention. But there are certain ways you practice or train to refine your ability. Theres only so many ways to sharpen a knife & hundreds of ways to use one. Using the philipino way to sharpen your knife does not make u a philipino fighter. A set pattern would be like in Karate retracting the hand back to ur waist after a reverse punch before using that hand again. This causes a time delay in an actual fight. Doing it in a fight anyway is using a set pattern
However Jeet kune Do is made up of dofferent martial arts... boxing, wing chun(which i have studied) fencing, etc Bruce Lee borrowed principles from all of these.
As you say though it is not a set way of fighting, and hat is why it is the best (imo)
wah2k7, you are correct to a degree. The evolution of Jeet Kune Do was a very personal process that Master Lee undertook to discover the cause of His own ignorance with respect to physical combat. The main theme of which is to study oneself through a regime of intense physical and psychological training. JKD is thus the study of ones own strengths and weaknesses (with a view to continuous self improvement) not other martial arts. Martial art knowledge is only used as a tool in this process.
Thank You marcusgael. Exactly my point. ...a regime of intense physical and psychological training. The training IS the key word here. The training involves (but not limited to) different aspects of different martial arts. Example Ving Tsun drills. Does not use wing chun stance (not practical for advancing & retreating, Though solid in structure). Uses hand drills to develop sensitivity. Not to add wing chun to you list of martial arts learned. J.K.D. is self discovery through the Martial Arts!
practical as well as specialized curriculum for anyone to enter into or continue the experience of discovering one's own external and internal abilities. It is "knowing." It is not a religion, it is an on-going extension of one's self, and is most attainable.
right handed or left handed?
5KnuckleShuffle94 1 month ago
Maybe ill join a school one day, heck I should. Noticed that before I started trying to teach myself certain techniques and moves from say boxing,karate, i was faster and stronger. I assume because my natural way of movement was an unconcious reaction compared to recreating a punch, kick, or block from something i saw. Truth is no martial artist should or will flow the same because the natural way is what pertains to u.
hakuboshi1 3 months ago
I think ima try to learn this
dragon26463 4 months ago
Nice video, Thanks.
Pilot2242 4 months ago
Thats not how the ready position is shown in Tao of Jeet Kune Do, but you are also supposed to adapt it for yourself. Your heels should be raised to increase your instant mobility and your forward leg should be turned slightly inward to protect your groin. You should also not line up square with an opponent so they have less target area to hit.
ishootme 5 months ago
omg the position of jeet kune do...there is no position please stop teaching something what never exist remember bruce without technik without thoughts just try to be a human
wantsomebugs 7 months ago
@wantsomebugs well they are positions that bruce lee taught if you read his book tao of jkd...
zubatzu 5 months ago
Liu Kang brought me here
codafett 8 months ago 2
0:50 check out he bruce poster in the back with his stance
MrOmzees 9 months ago
Shut the fuck up Bruce regretted coining the term jkd.
tallset2 9 months ago
this is all incorrect, JKD must be formless, like water, its about instincts and when he expands you contract when he contracts you expand. its the way of the intercepting fist. to reach me you must move towards me. there are no opponents
Maxk3013 11 months ago
The right hand is the front hand because that is the hand that you do the most hitting with.
spacecadet35 1 year ago
yehey
whateverwhenever11 1 year ago
why your right hand is front hand?
hardcoreperkele 1 year ago
@hardcoreperkele I believe you use your strongest hand in the front. so if youre a righty, you're right hand is out and your left is in.
thevillageyid 10 months ago
Knee of the lead leg has to be turned inward (comfortable enough for you) to protect your groan and chin has to be down to stay guarded.
Zeo91 1 year ago
He needs his back heel up slightly
Necromorph0 1 year ago
Jeet Kune Do is a great concept however will never be a match for Rex Kwon Do
capoeira69 1 year ago 2
he knows what he is on about but his bai jong stance is awful
1fightforright23 1 year ago
Sifu Dwigt, just tell me one thing, I can take small steps (or little jumps) in this position to promote the speed of my attack, and even the speed of my escape, right?
alxiaaa 1 year ago
@alxiaaa speed and power come from the hips and legs never jump while your punching. the cross hook cross is the basis of all fighting if you master the mechanics of cross hook cross. everything else such as jab, body hook, uppercut, slashing with a knife, swining a stick will have power also. the body mechanics is all the same.
1fightforright23 1 year ago
@1fightforright23 If you never jump when your punching, why is the superman so good? True it is more of a skip, but for a split second both feet are off the ground. Plus when you jump, you've got the force of gravity with your hole body. I'd say done economicly and as one might do a jumping side kick, Front kick, etc. May be just as effective as a punch. And the original comment is referring to the mobility system in JKD which is that of fencing and often uses little jumps, more or less strides.
AoDNightmare 1 year ago
@AoDNightmare oh my god for that split second your power diminishes into nothing and for your information superman is not that good. In jun fun Gung fu there is step & slide, slide and step, push shuffel ect these are fencing footwork if done properly both feet will not leave the ground and your foundation will always be strong
1fightforright23 1 year ago
@1fightforright23 lol yes i know this, and the superman is very good, just look for its use in MMA, its rather effective. Its what anderson silva knocked forrest griffin out with. A stepping back superman. So tell me, how does my power diminish? Its free falling, it goes no where, and if anything increases. For when you punch and your foot lands before the punch, your punching power will be diminished. You lose force when your body weight starts to go back into the ground.
AoDNightmare 1 year ago
@AoDNightmare the force of gravity will pull you down that means that your power will sucked away from you!! your power needs to go forward and through the target not down Read the bruce lee fighting method series you will find that both feet do not leave when he exicutes a move.
1fightforright23 1 year ago
@1fightforright23 yes of course the pull of gravity will pull you down, thats the point. And from a high altitude you can easily punch in the face. But i have read the bruce lee fighting method many times. And yes his basic shuffle doesn't technicaly leave the ground. But the double advance does. Besides bruce wanted people to build and grow. Just try it out, you may be suprised with the results. I can explain how to do it if you would like?
AoDNightmare 1 year ago
@AoDNightmare o.k I would like you to try my method as well stand in one spot push off your rear foot, as you punch turn the body as you produce the cross I think that I am going to start making vids damonstrating good body mechanics. What is the superman? I thought you ment Tommy Carrathers
1fightforright23 1 year ago
@1fightforright23 Trust me man, ive ready every book on bruce lee and his fighting habits, many many many times. I know his mechanics and his footwork. But I got the feel of how he was trying to keep his body weight solid and in somewhat of perpetual motion, and I am trying to expand on it, even if it means practicing unorthadox moves. But found effective, would it matter if it is unorthadox?
AoDNightmare 1 year ago
@AoDNightmare no it does not matter at all its what feels right to you What style of fighting do you do?
1fightforright23 1 year ago
@1fightforright23 well i started in tang so doo, which is a korean martial art. Studied that for about 7 years. From there i delved into all of bruce lees books. My striking stems from his JKD analysis. Im also incorportating Judo, wrestling, 10th Planet Jui Jitsu . Im real interested in real world deffence. I would like to call my personal expression of the martial arts. White Dragon Martial arts. I also have influences from tai chi in me and wing chun.
AoDNightmare 1 year ago
@AoDNightmare all together ive been doing martial arts for about 11 years.
AoDNightmare 1 year ago
@AoDNightmare which of these arts do you prefer?
1fightforright23 1 year ago
@1fightforright23 well i love all of them, and they are all part of combat so i enjoy them all, each offers a different standpoint. But the striking arts have prbly most influenced me in my progress. I love the technicality of stand up. Its more free than ground fighting. However i constantly strive to find ways to bridge the gap into grappling, should i ever need to. And most likely will. Like i said before, I aim at real world effectiveness
AoDNightmare 1 year ago
@AoDNightmare Recomendations on realistic fighting arts , Krav Maga, filipino kali, Jun fun gung fu, cqc, boxing, mma. I know the last two are sports but I know you will take away things that you will like about them! In terms of JKD you are on the right path you have fully understood the concept. As for the superman I remmber a mate of mine doing it while doing mma.
1fightforright23 1 year ago
@AoDNightmare to perform this punch u launch off the front foot and as your in mid air you cross and kick out with your rear foot. this means that you are u useing the right body mechanics as your in the air. the power comes from your hip and legs. you have strong legs I have seen your clips. you cannot do this with a jab!
1fightforright23 1 year ago
@1fightforright23 lol yeah i know i cant do it with a job, its the leading straight. I've tried to develop it into a jab like technique (speed and repetivness wise.)
AoDNightmare 1 year ago
@1fightforright23 if by this punch you mean the superman, i know this. I was just giving an example of a "jumping" punch. To do it with the straight right, i would gain the momentum by using motion to that of the side kick, bringing my front knee up and pushing off (up and forward) the back foot as my knee reaches its highest point. From there I wip out the straight lead while hurling torward my opponent with the force of gravity combined.
AoDNightmare 1 year ago
@AoDNightmare I personaly feel that this punch leaves you in a vunerable position when used however if it works for you and expresses you in an extrem situation use it but you have the right idea. but you must establish a basi which you can expand upon. I will send you a personal message
1fightforright23 1 year ago
@1fightforright23 The superman is done by lifting your front foot off the ground, acting as if you are about to attack in some way. Then you push of your rear foot and let your front foot drop. You will feel your balance fall forward very well. During that period of movement you deliver the rear cross, or you can do it with the lead straight as well. I can explain this Jumping punch if you'd like as well.
AoDNightmare 1 year ago
This is not Jeet kune do !!!! This black man is distorting JKD!!!!
Stop giving mis information
lightsaberIJKD 1 year ago
@lightsaberIJKD
"Black" man?
icefiredarksector748 1 year ago
@icefiredarksector748 yes , its a black man giving wrong information on jkd..so I hope this black man stops posting JKD...just post it as Capoeira...or black martial arts system..and stop JKD name distortion
lightsaberIJKD 1 year ago
@lightsaberIJKD
Ok, but wasn't JKD all about having your own way of doing it? This guy's just demonstrating his own style. I don't this his skin color has anything to do with it.
icefiredarksector748 1 year ago
@icefiredarksector748 , Who told you that distorted notion of JKD ?
It doesn't mean you practice some unknown form of other martial arts ..and then label this as Jeet kune do..and get away with this cause you are Black no way...
This is not Jeet kune do... The black man in the video is some classical mess
lightsaberIJKD 1 year ago
@lightsaberIJKD
Didn't Bruce Lee seek to liberate people from styles and set forms by creating a free form art? Wasn't that his message? He once said in Enter the Dragon that there is no style. During the production of the Game of Death, he climbed up a tower and fought different fighters with different styles of their own. He was trying to prove that because he had no distinct style, he could adapt to any situation.
That was his point.
icefiredarksector748 1 year ago
@icefiredarksector748 , You are definitely correct about that, that is why this video as claimed by the black man was not JKD , It has style, it has classical form,
JKD = western boxing ( 1900s - 1930s ) , European fencing footwork , french savate kicking techniques , and modified wing chun.
The moves shown are definitely not one of the above ...it is some kind of kung fu monkey style boxing.
lightsaberIJKD 1 year ago
@icefiredarksector748 yesss man yeeeessssssss
1fightforright23 1 year ago
@icefiredarksector748 , yes that's what I just said..cant you read ...?
lightsaberIJKD 1 year ago
Thats why Bruce referred to Jeet Kune Do as the "Style with no style"
Grandmuscle 1 year ago
this seems a very effective martial arts...especially the stances, i dont see what good zenkutsu datchi will do in a self defence situation
billysharp15 1 year ago
i thought the jeet kune do stance was more like Laws stance in Tekken 6 or Tekken 5 ( with the swinging hands )
daanmagier 1 year ago
There is the biyatchi chachi (uncle's wife) in pakistan and when she takes her stance my uncle loses his stance!
billlaAurbillli 1 year ago
This dude is putting to much thought and lines to his art, I have always learned with JKD that simplicity and goig with the flow its the main principle, this guy is giving me a diffren timpression
JakyRedEyes 1 year ago
@JakyRedEyes , You are correct.. This Black guy doesnt know any hint of jeet kune do... but labeling it as JKD to fool every one....
later this black guy might even say Jeet kune do was invented by a black man...
this is rubbish..and not acceptable
lightsaberIJKD 1 year ago
Interesting those are the same stances we learn in Vietvodao, the translated names are also identical.
RyouKachi 1 year ago
My dad is training me to do jeet kune do and he does the cat stance =D
CPTG0dK1lleR 1 year ago
@CPTG0dK1lleR My cat is training me to do jeet kune do and he does the dad stance ;)
destrask 1 year ago
@CPTG0dK1lleR Cat stance, horse stance, drunken fist, inner style. You westerners have it all figured out, yes?
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
Fucking hell i can't see shit on any of these videos becus of the subtitles please get em off
403766 1 year ago
love the girl's kick
PakDaeHan 1 year ago
Bruce lee's martial art is very useful, but hardly anyone can match his speed and power in his art. Thats because his art was obviously centered around his own philosophy and what he knew about his body. Its easy to take jeet kune do and learn, but to take many styles and make them your own creates a different atmosphere entirely
hakuboshi1 1 year ago 21
@hakuboshi1 Exactly right. Learn many "systems" so you have "no system."
spsmonktoo 1 year ago
do u mean confused?
billlaAurbillli 1 year ago
@hakuboshi1 hay nice to see some one wid same thinking. yes it is true that bruce learn many and took what was good for him and disregard what was not , i have learn a few and wing tsun is one of them i have friend who do wt but he not perperd to learn any thing new to bring into his sytem it about adapting to what ever the stuation is at the time if you in a fight and some ting not work at the time chge it to som ting that do i am to old to stand toe to toe so i need to fin a fight fast
COURTCHLOE 9 months ago
@hakuboshi1 Well said brother.
dragonfist25 7 months ago
What is wrong with peoples spelling on this comment board?
bonigga 2 years ago
Bla bla bla... what comments..?. Bruce is another thingh, that is the point. And nobody will never comprend completly his way of fighting. All his funs thinking this or that but fondametaly is impossible to realise what Bruce realize in his life. Bruce is only one, like his way to live and ingrooving martial art. Point.
WHITEORSE 2 years ago
I dont mean to offend, but Mapu pose uses both hands at wrist sides, not higher than the belly button, as only a small correction.
I practice Tang Lang Quan, if anybody doubts my word.
Anyway, I', pissed off becouse here's no Sifu for JKD in Argentina :(
DrakeSign 2 years ago 7
As far as i know there isn't any JKD In christchurch New Zealand
Voltagia2 2 years ago
@DrakeSign , que bajon... Aca en los Estados Unidos hay algunos lugares que enseñan, pero no son muchos tampoco.
0verdose666 10 months ago
yor back foot has to be off the gound so it works like a spring
berty2k7 2 years ago
Just an honest correction: The back HEEL must be raised.
That being said his back heel is very likely raised. I notice that it's hard to tell whether the heel is raised when you're wearing shoes.
Solandrios 2 years ago
its booker T O_O
emanclimax 2 years ago
@emanclimax maybe he'll teach us to do the spinaroonie
hireplas 1 year ago
I know that Bruce Lee studied under SGM Ed Parker for a time, and this certainly looks like what we learn in American Kenpo as a "neutral stance."
MinisterMalice 2 years ago
Where can I learn this stuff?
403766 2 years ago
ok this doesn't make any sense, maybe i'm totally wrong but i thought jkd was supposed to be self taught, just plain and simple moves with non-telegraphic motions, other than sparring i don't see why people pay to do these classes if bruce lee never even intended to make it a fighting style
dvushaj 2 years ago
self-taught is not the key factor of Jeet Kune Do; it's freedom without restrictions. Basically, Bruce Lee aimed to develop the most efficient way to engage in combat and, to do so, his pursuit must not be hindered by tradition like other martial arts. Jeet Kune Do is essentially a representation of his pursuit. These classes aren't a way to restrict or contain students; its simply a way of passing on information that he has accumulated.
FU0C0 2 years ago
These classes aren't a way to restrict or contain students; its simply a way of passing on information that he has accumulated. By all means, you can start from scratch and experiment to find the most efficient methods on your own but, chances are you'd end up eventually doing just as what's taught in these classes.
FU0C0 2 years ago
Bruce Lee's done the research, and it is compiled in his classes. These classes are offered so you can catch up to what he's discovered and build from there. If you want to find something out or maybe invent something new- the first step is always to hit the library or Wikipedia and find whats already been discovered; the library is analogous to these classes.
FU0C0 2 years ago
these are just beginners lessons man,
6ftUnder92592 2 years ago
But I can say, that your left leg is no danger for me, because it's simply too far from me.Almost the same situation is with your left hand.
Different stances allows different techniques, so it's not wise to say that there is something like "a perfect" stance.That's why "traditional" MA have so many stances.
Goodg luck.
player1CR 2 years ago
it depends on the fighter not the fighting style. just saying.
jigsaw666puppet 2 years ago
I agree. No matter how skilled a 9yr old blackbelt is, she'll still get abducted by a 20 yr old bloke.
fredbloggs02 2 years ago 2
my next martial art is jkd or gung fu
ilovejapan888 2 years ago
Frankly, as I train Muay Thai, in that guys stance he's gonna get his leading leg kicked to fuck because he's off balance.
All it usually takes is a small feint with the jab while stepping slightly to the side to make an angle on the leg and that's it. Especially since he's throwing south paw and the one weakness a south paw has is if you keep your leading LEFT foot on the outside of their leading RIGHt foot. You have the better angle.
ephasm 2 years ago
I agree his right foot looks pretty vulnerable in the ready position. That's the point of Jeet Kune do though right? He doesn't intent to keep it there. Form takes a back seat as I understand in Jeet Kune do.
fredbloggs02 2 years ago
Yeah but that's a major weakness to think like that because you're then making expectations of what your opponent is going to be able to actually do.
I fight professionally in thai boxing and I'm sorry but no fighter is intentionally goign to attack where you expect them to. Ie, I notice your leading leg is at a bad angle so i throw a jab, cross combo as a feint to make you cover up and while I'm doing it i make a quick switch to the left and throw a massive kick at the back of the leg.
ephasm 2 years ago
THat's my point though m8. By the time you've made all those small micromanaging solutions the opening is gone. No fighter I've ever seen can make like 20 leg adjustements by the time the other guy makes one........Unless they're Bruce LEe I make that one exception :P
fredbloggs02 2 years ago
Man the scenario I just wrote of gets used ALL the time because it's not a micro adjustment. The fighter doesn't break it down into a bunch of separate techniques the way this guy above does. The scenario gets used time and time again, especially with south paw fighters because as any professional fighter worth his salt should know, its the one weakness of south paws is that if you can keep your leading LEFT leg on the outside of his leading RIGHT leg then his leg is vulnerable.
ephasm 2 years ago
As you said no fighter reacts where how you expect them to.....unless youe ALbert Einstein I make that one exception:P
fredbloggs02 2 years ago
Man, go train in a proper ring sport at a proper gym before talking about fighting because until you do, everything youre trying to talk about is either theory or stuff you've heard of from other people.
ephasm 2 years ago
You need to relax mate. I agree Bruce was always on the move, but that wasn't my comment. I'm saying the guy moved his back foot and telegraphed the kick off the front. If he was hopping around like Bruce then thats a different matter, but he wasnt. If you set yourself up as an expert you should get it right. I'm merely saying i have seen better. I do not profess to be an expert and i'm sure your credentials are better, as you have clearly watched a lot of Bruce Lee videos. Have a nice day :)
caddabs 2 years ago
Interested to hear him say you cant tell whether he was going to kick or punch from that position, but as soon as he moved his back foot you could see a kick off the front foot coming a mile off. Not the best ive seen.
caddabs 2 years ago
ur pretty dumb lol if u ever watched bruce lee in that stance u know he wasn't standing still while punching or kicking.. he was always moving forward/backward sorta dancing so its difficult to see whats about to happen if you are in that stance (IF you got brains to move like bruce lee coz if u stand still ur dead)
dhcmocrolife 2 years ago
I never move around like Bruce Lee, I am 6 foot and have a huge range advantage against almost everyone I fight, and the only thing I do is some small bouncing on the balls of my feet and some up and down hand movement to keep my body moving and ready and to keep their eyes on my hands. It is much more important to move as a smaller fighter because you have to get inside, but moving as an outside fighter can make it so that you are not in the perfect position to strike the second they move in
terdburgalor 2 years ago
There is no exact stance in jeet, bruce lee himself said in jkd you flow as if your water taking in the punches and kicks and moving with them
isaacharri 2 years ago
ya thats just ready stance he wants u to flow from ready stance and maybe go into another stance and flow with styles.
robisgangsta1 2 years ago
exactly
isaacharri 2 years ago
bruce lee was so ahead of his timr
robisgangsta1 2 years ago
inally someone who speaks truth
gurojon 2 years ago
BULL FUCKING SHIT!
why do everyone claim this and that about Jeet Kune do when it's all liies..
I don't give a shit if Dan Inosanto (whom i train with) has p[eronally bestowed the rank of full instructor on to you, you're talking shit and COMPLETELY don't have ONE clue about Bruce Lee's JKD Philosophy, BECAUSE there is NO stance, you can do what you like!..
Everyone is an Individual and fight their OWN way.. do what is comfortable for you.. and that will be your own JKD!
Fact!
Peace..
seanyyman 2 years ago
You are correct sir
Finally, someone else gets it!
Osiris190 2 years ago 2
LMAO somebody went hard on yall... lol and spoke the truth :) lol i felt the same way
DarkshinastaReborn 2 years ago
i agree
UnknownFromHeaven 2 years ago
.. calm down.
what they decide is what they want to do.
if you really train jkd.. then roll with the punches. and i doubt you train with Dan the way you are talking
ExperienceHaxx0r 2 years ago
wtf are you on about..
I do train with Dan, believe what you like.. Jealousy is such a shamefull personal quality.
seanyyman 2 years ago 2
i like jeet and judo and everyting,but what counts is not fighting karate vs karate our thay vs thay,what counts is street like situations our on the MMA,it must be effective thats all,the least movements possible,for example in ju jitsu our gracie jitsu you can win fights without any punches our kicks at all
drmak3r 2 years ago
I don't understand, jeet kune do is for the streets
Colinthegoblin 2 years ago
MMA is not a street situation, in the street you are not necessarily one on one, or in an octagon, or unarmed. Street fights are as much about knowing where you are and what is around you as being able to pull of a submission, not to mention I consider MMA the laughing stock of the martial arts world, as their technique is horrible at best, and don't even get me started on their defense.
terdburgalor 2 years ago 2
haha you must be an expert JKD is MMA in a sense
jonshultz 2 years ago
are you f*ing kidding me? Any MMA fighter would destroy any karate specialist or any other single discipline fighter
ButterMaK3r 2 years ago
Sure, if you sent Brock Lesnar out to fight a 120 lb kid that just learned to fight. Go watch fight science, all it takes is a thumb to the armpit and even your roid raging MMA fighters would fall to the ground temporarily paralyzed.
terdburgalor 2 years ago
Lol yeah cause fight science is the be all and end all.
lol the shows a fucking joke. Fight "science". Only thing even remotely scietific about it is the motion capture and the crash test dummy.
ephasm 2 years ago
Ha ha. That's not true. Otherwise a whole bunch of MMA fighters who have taken karate or kung fu or wherever you learned that nugget would be doing your armpit trick in competition.
redbulldog 2 years ago
Fight Science was mostly garbage, they showed off alot of technology but the test themselves were hardly "fair". There was huge difference in skill level from individual martial arts. For example if you are going to do a comparison on power it makes sense to get fighters of equal mass, and skill. Not some wushu exibition fighter who can't even throw a punch lmao.
larssonk22 2 years ago
MMA fighters train to compete, the standard is therefore far greater than your average karate fighter or martial artist that trains for street encounters that may never happen. But generalizing styles to be better than others is just dumb, the individual is always greater than the art. 120lb kid would have no chance taking down Lesnar in the ring, but would perfectly possible to do it on the street where anything goes.
larssonk22 2 years ago
Mate, you seriously over estimate exactly how much advantage you think people will have in a street fight. In a street fight you're not going to be capable of anything a trained professional MMA fighter isn't capable of. All the rules you say don't exist for you, DONT EXIST FOR THEM EITHER AND THEYRE NOT IDIOTS. Thats the problem with peopel doing this stuff they immediately make judgements on how someone's going to fight and then turn around and say "and that's why we're better than them"
ephasm 2 years ago
I don't understand why is your reply directed at me?
larssonk22 2 years ago
I disagree. Lots of trained mma fighters will be kids. Some will be old and looking for something to keep them active. Some will be just hopeless and uncoordinated. I stand by what *Jiggsaw said. It's NOT the fighting style, it's the fighter.
fredbloggs02 2 years ago
agreed.
yomtumthai2 2 years ago
Really? Because no martial artist I know trains specifically for street fighting. People train IN martial arts for different reasons, one of them for self defense, but knowing how to throw a punch does not make you a boxer, just like knowing how to arm bar doesn't make you a martial artist.
terdburgalor 2 years ago
I was referring to self defence practitioners.
larssonk22 2 years ago
Good point made. I want to actually train in JKD for self defense in real life situations, to become healthy and fit, and to have more confidence in anything I do. Also, I believe I will find peace and become spiritually connected.
WestSideCoolidge 2 years ago 2
Ha ha. MMA fighters know the difference between a competition and getting jumped on the street, just like everyone else. Why would some MT+BJJ purple+HS wrestler MMA dude be a moron and not know where he is because its in a barroom or living room?
They don't go for taps and submissions if you jump them, duh. Wrestlers don't go for pins and nearfalls if you assault them.
A typical MMA fighter is at least as well prepared to keep his feet and escape a gang than your typical TMA student.
redbulldog 2 years ago
jkd is being at peace an knowin we actually sencing a opponents strike
but most of all its a way of life an effects ur mindstate
pollygraphicsterhaha 2 years ago
Very true, i've changed alot since i've started
Colinthegoblin 2 years ago
Today JKD is considered a tradition because it has not changed its base concepts and reference styles or techniques for over 30 years. Dwight should say older traditional stances.
A stance and a kick is proven via fullcontact and full resistance. u cant make up a stance or a kick and claim any validity with out evidence. forget TKD, JKD etc. examine the kick not the styles or teachings. if someone delivers a kick and damges the human body it is valid no mater its stance or fancyness
thefuturefighter 2 years ago
This vid is utter crap, your comment couldn't be further from the truth. Proper JKD as Bruce Lee himself did it was based on Bruce Lee's research into human biomechanics and the laws of physics, these have not changed since the days of de vinci or Isaac Newton, unless you sproat wings or a 3rd leg this won't change for 100s of thousands of years.
larssonk22 2 years ago
shizentai kamae from aikido and othe rjapanese swordmanship or stick combat is the same almost the form of stance that is.
its the stable and free form of stance but i believe this is VERY important because it gives you the leverage of the moves.
Aur0rah 2 years ago
The traditional stances are taught to develop power and correct technique. Most traditional martial arts have a practical fighting stance that is very natural and effective.
Kami5909 2 years ago
you wouldn't fight from horse stance and you wouldn't fight from cat stance.
and i've just started reading the tao of jkd, and when he mentions the fighting stance it sounded alot like the practical karate forward stance. also jkd is not a style, it's a philosophy (don't mention the spelling), so if people are comparing this to other styles it shows they don't understand jkd.
"since jkd has no style, it can fit in with all styles".
ajdaemon08 2 years ago
As I am sure you may know, there are many forms of karate. All of those stances I have seen are visible in those forms of karate. Perhaps something like Kyokushin or Shoto-kan will be more like this, but there are others like Goju-Ryu, or Shyorin-ryu that have stances similar to this.
Also, I think for cat stance he was refering also to Chinese kung fu cat stance, since that is used as a combat stance.
as for JKD, it is a fighting art AND a philosophy.
BushidoBudo9000 2 years ago
most karate styles have these stances, but you would'nt use them in a real situation of self defence, and a good sensei would teach that. and jkd is a philosophy of fighting but has no set techniques so is not a style. i think bruce lee used to teach a sort of hybrid of wing chun that was based on the philosophy of jkd.
ajdaemon08 2 years ago
JKD is a style with set patterns and structure, the concepts are different from the practical aspect of JKD, over the years many ppl have confused jkd with JKD Concepts which are just concepts however Jun Fan JKD currently lead by Ted Wong is the JKD bruce lee was creating and has almost no wing chun left in it, read the tao of JKD or the re edited version by John Little the structure is only used to give students a head start and from there they create there own expression of the human body
tkdhua 2 years ago
if jkd is a style with set patterns then it is not what bruce lee taught. and i really don't know enough too keep arguing the point. and a problem is that there's very threw instructors that actually teach bruce lees jkd, so the only way to get some concept of bruce lees jkd is threw reading stuff thats been edited by other people.
ajdaemon08 2 years ago
look you dont have to trust in my opinion but this is wat i was taught although it may mean nothing to you let me ensure that my instructor trained under a man named mark who is a student of ted wong who is a student of bruce lee, if you read the re edited version of tao of JKD by john little it clearly explains how jkd can have set patterns and structure despite being formless =]
tkdhua 2 years ago
thx, i think i'll try and find the re edited version. and my veiw of martial arts is that you need to learn the art and then find your own, i think that's basicly what bruce lee was saying, and i think it's most clear in boxing. anyway, thanks for your comments.
ajdaemon08 2 years ago
You're correct Bruce Lee did used to teach a sort wing chun in his first school but he changed that after he realized set styles and set patterns put limitaions on your ability and adaptability within a fight. He still taught CHI-SAO ( energy hands drill from Ving Tsun) to develop sensitivity. HE changed to begin teaching how to develop the most effective parts of different arts, but not the arts themself. That would be MMA not JKD. You learn the mechanics of an art, not the art itself.
PEACE
wah2k7 2 years ago
thankyou somebody who understands JKD is not just a philosophy but also an art in itself
tkdhua 2 years ago
I think Bruce Lee said himself, "some martial arts you know have a kick just by looking at them."
"It all depends on the practisioner."
" Something about a watered down wine being less savoury"
My thoughts are as long as you practise all the arts in Jeet Kune Do, to the same degree as a single art combatant, in the same time, fantastic....
fredbloggs02 2 years ago
yes bruce lee did learn Wing Chun kung fu he was a student of the late great Sifu Yip Man,but bruce like many martial artists had questions on many things and found some styles ridged and needy more flexibility within the styles and so developed WING CHUN from san shou (chinese kickboxing,western boxing,and wing chun and more.read the tao of bruce lee.
soulbrother08 2 years ago
the made a move on Ip man called Ip man.
BboyEssences 2 years ago
bruce learned wing chun and some other styles and he through them all in togther with some of his own stuff
KungFuMan95 2 years ago
Typical media indoctrination I'm afraid. Anything but the Jeet Kune do in question lacks subtelty?
All depends on the person practising it. I practise Tae Kwon-do and find it as subtle and as versatile as I practise it on said day :P
fredbloggs02 2 years ago
true, but Jeet Kune Do is a mixture of many martials arts, including wing chun, tae kwon do, kung fu. and others that i don't know about. I practice Tae Kwon Do too. But my opinion is that, a mix martial art like the only Jeet kune do is much more powerful that TKD alone.
BboyEssences 2 years ago
tkd stinks
houstonrocketsfan8 2 years ago
no but TkD was also incorperated in Jeet Kune Do.
BboyEssences 2 years ago
TKD is not in JKD
Bruce was taught it but it is not included in JKD, unless your talking about something like a side kick but that is in almost every martial art.
The whole of TKD is not in JKD and TKD unique techniques that are just in TKD (Like the Tornado Kick) and no other art are not in JKD either
bruce didnt encouparate it because he thought they relied too much on kicks and the kicks were too flashy, therefore, ineffective in street fights.
Xgloomshadow 2 years ago
if your saying Bruce Lee's kick were weak. you really need to study him like i have. I acually did take the time to look him up. In one fight i think, the opponent was watching his feet very carfully. but Bruce Lee knock him out by using his fists. So Both Hands and feet are deadly.
BboyEssences 2 years ago
no im not saying his kicks were weak
he was incredibly fast at punching and kicking and his side kick was extremely powerful
Xgloomshadow 2 years ago
my friend is black belt in TKD and a form doer i dont know what its called
and he showed me some TKD and the pricipals of TKD is much different then Karate and other striking martial art in the way of execution and emphasis is delicate and less rigid.
Atelast that was what i got told by my friend. I tried but he said it turns into karate when done with that kind of force and accuracy and that when he did it itw as delicate swift and had a speciall attitude,, i got more respect for TKD
Aur0rah 2 years ago
yes thats true
but im just saying. I have 1 of bruce lee'sbest books called
Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lee's commentaries on the Martial Way
and he lists the pros (good things) and cons (bad things) about different fighting styles somewhere
For TKD he says the pros are Leg Flexibility, Turning Heel Kick, Head Ram. The cons are Lacks Contact, Lacks Broken Rhythm, Lacks Aliveness, Lacks Variety (Mainly only kicking) and impractical for self defence best used for sport
Xgloomshadow 2 years ago
and dont forget bruce lee studied and cross trained different styles for years, and he eventually made his own called Jeet Kune Do and added the effective techniques to it from different martial art styles, he didnt bother with the ineffective techniques
Although he didnt want JKD to be a style, he didnt even want it to have a name, its more of a philosophy, he didnt like people being bound by style and lost in set patterns and trapped like most styles, especially traditional ones
Xgloomshadow 2 years ago
not true he did use tkd kicks. side kick he got from tkd and roundhouse and front kick and hook kick he got. also u the sahshay from savate and use thai and western boxing for punching stuff like that
robisgangsta1 2 years ago
JKD is not a define style, JKD is meant for an individual to go and find different techniques and use wat he thinks it works for his body type and mentallity
monomariodog 2 years ago 12
yup
robisgangsta1 2 years ago
its about rolling with the punches and going with the flow
IGetsMoney24 2 years ago
@monomariodog my dad trains me to do jeet kune do and i remember him sayign that at thew first day =D
CPTG0dK1lleR 1 year ago
@monomariodog and thats what i love about JKD
hireplas 1 year ago
@monomariodog The way of combat is not based on personal choice and fancies.
ztawiz 1 year ago
JKD is not a mixture of martial arts. It is a fighting philosophy that puts no limitation on what can be incorporated into the fight. There is no specific right or wrong way as with other arts. You study other arts and utilize their strong points, learn their weak points in order to capitalize on them if confronted with them in an attack.
wah2k7 2 years ago
There are no set patterns like others mention. But there are certain ways you practice or train to refine your ability. Theres only so many ways to sharpen a knife & hundreds of ways to use one. Using the philipino way to sharpen your knife does not make u a philipino fighter. A set pattern would be like in Karate retracting the hand back to ur waist after a reverse punch before using that hand again. This causes a time delay in an actual fight. Doing it in a fight anyway is using a set pattern
wah2k7 2 years ago
i agree with what you are saying here.
However Jeet kune Do is made up of dofferent martial arts... boxing, wing chun(which i have studied) fencing, etc Bruce Lee borrowed principles from all of these.
As you say though it is not a set way of fighting, and hat is why it is the best (imo)
RobTrain09 2 years ago
wah2k7, you are correct to a degree. The evolution of Jeet Kune Do was a very personal process that Master Lee undertook to discover the cause of His own ignorance with respect to physical combat. The main theme of which is to study oneself through a regime of intense physical and psychological training. JKD is thus the study of ones own strengths and weaknesses (with a view to continuous self improvement) not other martial arts. Martial art knowledge is only used as a tool in this process.
marcusgael 2 years ago
Thank You marcusgael. Exactly my point. ...a regime of intense physical and psychological training. The training IS the key word here. The training involves (but not limited to) different aspects of different martial arts. Example Ving Tsun drills. Does not use wing chun stance (not practical for advancing & retreating, Though solid in structure). Uses hand drills to develop sensitivity. Not to add wing chun to you list of martial arts learned. J.K.D. is self discovery through the Martial Arts!
wah2k7 2 years ago
NW martial arts has formed a viable,
practical as well as specialized curriculum for anyone to enter into or continue the experience of discovering one's own external and internal abilities. It is "knowing." It is not a religion, it is an on-going extension of one's self, and is most attainable.
zhoudunyi 3 years ago
That is Bruce Lee.
Jman16119 3 years ago