My choice lets see now should I go with 99.9% of scientist the smartest people on earth and logic and go with the "no God theory"? Na I'm going with Peter Popoff and the $79.95 bottle of holy water that will cure cancer and erectile dysfunction.
Dusty forgot to mention that even if it's a true dichotomy, it's retarded to persuade someone to believe in something by threatening them with an aspect of that belief. It' like someone saying, "I have psychokinetic powers the likes of which you can't imagine. I won't ever demonstrate them, but if you don't believe in my powers, I'll kill you with them!"
@MrCobra811 haha, so funny! Right about Christians but not my religion, oh no we can't have that!
But then what you may consider evidence someone else (like me) may consider to be fairy tales constructed to trick simple minded individuals to become complacent to authority.
Islam has created some of the most dangerous governments/terrorists/misogynists in the world today. I think you need to switch the word the word "logical" with "idealogical."
@TheFreeThinkingMan What I consider evidence is tested by something called logic , if you consider logic as fairy tale then you need therapy ! Its very simple , thats how we distinguish whats true and whats not , based on logic!
"Islam has constructed some of the most dangerous things today" by what standart you are measuring that ? By the standart of the survival of the fittest which you believe ! In the survival of the fittest anything goes , so you FAIL logically
@MrCobra811 Muslems have faith in themselves. True christians have faith in God and not themselves. Also, faith IS the evidence. Faith is the ability to perceive God who is nonmaterial and cant be perceived with the 5 material senses.
there is plenty of evidence outside of faith so that people without faith have no excuse as to why they didnt ask God for faith, ie. ask God to reveal Himself to them so that they could entrust themselves to Him and be changed from their evil
@j919or ""...there is plenty of evidence outside of faith..." No there isn't. There's absolutely no conclusive evidence in support of the existence of ANY god(s). Let alone anything that would indicate that your pet god/belief is any more valid tan any other nonsense claim.
"...people without faith have no excuse as to why they didnt ask God for faith..." You said "Faith is the ability to experience God", now you have to experience god before you can have faith?! Make up your mind.
@MrCobra811 Muslems have faith in themselves. True christians have faith in God and not themselves. Also, faith IS the evidence. Faith is the ability to perceive God who is nonmaterial and cant be perceived with the 5 material senses.
there is plenty of evidence outside of faith so that people without faith have no excuse as to why they didnt ask God for faith, ie. ask God to reveal Himself to them so that they could entrust themselves to Him and be changed from their evil
@MrCobra811 Islam and all of relgions with a code or system of self reform in attempts to please God in their evil state are futile and are tools of the devil to keep them from truly knowing God and being changed . No one even wants heaven until they are changed into lovers of God, His will and His glory by the grace and power of God himself..
@j919or HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "faith is proof" HAHAHAHAHA "i've won" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "dusty never had faith" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... Ahhhh.... how pathetic, HAHAHA LMAO !
@j919or "Faith IS the evidence." Lol faith is the acceptance of something without evidence. Saying that the acceptance of a thing without evidence for the thing is the evidence of the thing is circular and illogical.
"Dusty never had faith and is forever confused. " Ah the old "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Fail.
@ReverendWyrm Yes when a document defines its own terms,"Faith IS the evidence" ,one is obligated to defer to that definition and dispose of the modern definition.
@j919or "Yes when a document defines its own terms,"Faith IS the evidence" ,one is obligated to defer to that definition and dispose of the modern definition." One is under no such obligation unless the new definition can be demonstrated to be more accurate and reliable than the previous. Redefining things in order to make reality fit your claims is not how the world works. In this case there is no evidence that faith is evidence for anything other than deluded or wishful thinking.
Dusty doesnt even understand what is faith. How could he have it? He uses the strawman fallacy. He builds a false definition of faith and then attacks it.
@j919or "Dusty doesnt even understand what is faith." What you really mean to say is that he doesn't understand faith as YOU define it. If you use some obscure personal definition for a subject there's no reason why anyone SHOULD understand. He presents his subject using the ACTUAL definition and then presents his argument. Using the accepted definition for a subject is not a straw man.
"faith: belief that is not based on proof;belief in something, esp without proof or evidence"
@airbornesniper212 Its better for everyone if you let them believe what they want :) I choose to live free and don't go to church, and you choose to live your life aswell but you do go to church.
@WhAtStHeMaTtErMan You are right, God is not a proven fact. There is a lot evidence for him, but He is not proven. Science can only explain so much, and when that explanation runs out we have faith. If you cross a wooden bridge, are you completely certain that it will hold while you cross? The answer is no. You take it on faith that it will hold. This is the same kind of thing, where you are not sure that God exists, but you take it on faith that He does. I choose to trust the bridge.
Just saying, Pascals wager compares Theism and Atheism, not just Christianity. Sure there are a lot of religions out there, but the only ones that could be real are Islam and Christianity. If you actually read the texts and compared things with the real world, it would show you that there is a lot of proof for God existing. Your argument is flawed because you are twisting the actual meaning of the wager. I believe in Christ and I am happier with Him than without Him.
what cracks me up the most about these pascal wager people is the idea that they really have some doubts and are not entirely sure if He exists but they are gonna go along with to be faith- hey assholes - your all knowing all hearing God would know this if he was as powerful as you state - but you could pull the wool over his eyes right?? powerful guy i guess
@oBLACKIECHANoo am not that religious, but believing in theories such as the big bang theory without any proof either, are also delusional, but hey its a possibility right?
@HavocSoto No, the big bang happened, that is proven fact, everything in our universe is moving away from a single point, there is no counter argument to that, the big bang theory says nothing about how things came into existence. We don't know how things came into existence and no matter how much we find out it's impossible to do so, but that doesn't mean a god made things. There isn't just no proof of a god, but there also is a ton of evidence against them.
@airbornesniper212 LMAO, again, how fucking stupid can you be? Believing in jesus, is being religious, christianity is religious, END OF FUCKING STORY, you idiotic cunt. Honestly, just stop talking, you're doing nothing but embarrassing yourself and disgracing humanity. Nobody wants you hear your idiocy.
@oBLACKIECHANoo There is a lot of proof of an intelligent creator in the world around us, both physical and chemical. Things that we cant see with the naked eye to things that stretch hundreds of miles. Darwin himself that if more is discovered about the atom and cells, his theory would not stand. People were just to stubborn to accept that. It is also easier to say there is no God and live your life however you want to. There is no definitive evidence saying there is no God either.
@airbornesniper212 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, are you fucking retarded? None of those prove there is a creator, there is no proof for anything to do with any religion, there isn't even a small piece of evidence. You just take scientific facts and call them evidence for your utter fucking bullshit, so that you can pretend your intelligent and so retards will believe you. just the fact that you think "physical and chemical" are two different things, proves just how uneducated you are.
@oBLACKIECHANoo I cannot believe that diverse, complex life originated out of chaos. It goes against everything in the universe. Someone intelligent had to put these together. All of the everything has a design and a purpose. Purpose comes from something, not nothing. If a ball goes through the air, you would assume that it didnt go on its own. youi look to the left and see a bat. you would assume someone swung the bat, right? Then you look and see a small boy next to the bat. you would also...
@airbornesniper212 If you was actually educated, you would know that life didn't come from chaos, and you would know that order cannot come from chaos in a closed system, however, this entire universe is a open system, anything can happen. Denying evolution just shows how uneducated you are, and it also shows that you are so pathetically stupid that you go through life choosing to ignore all proof and evidence against your beliefs because you're scared of reality.
@oBLACKIECHANoo (continued) assume that the boy swung the bat. the boy represents an intelligent creator. the bat resembles creation. the ball represents what we see today. I see a depiction of an atom. I don't say "hm that originated on its own", I think of what created it. It was made in creation (it is proven that the universe had a beginning). But what started creation? Not itself, because it didn't exist. Someone intelligent had to have done it. It is the only "logical" explanation.
@airbornesniper212 That is the only logical explanation? So tell me, where did this designer come from? Because if he came from some other universe or something, then something must of made that? And so on and so on, the exact same logic applies for your idiotic fairy tales. Except us intelligent human beings try to explain it, instead of using flawed logic and fairy tales to explain it.
@oBLACKIECHANoo You kind of just made my point there. If there was nothing before time, then nothing could exist based off of the properties of creation. That means an intelligent designer had to exist before time in order to create everything, including time.The definition of such a being is God :) pwned by a 14 year old
@airbornesniper212 So you're 14? Well then, you have just proven that you completely ignore anything that proves how idiotic you are, and that you was forced to believe this shit by you're sad red neck parents. But please, explain to me where your creator came from? Because explaining how a being that could literally do anything, was created, is a googolplex times more difficult than explaining anything in this universe.
@oBLACKIECHANoo That is kind of what God is, the eternal being. And no, I decided to be a Christian by my own accord. I grow weary of arguing with a stubborn lunatic who resolves to cursing, deleting comments and insulting my family. I honestly feel bad for you. Hope you are content with your life. best of luck
@airbornesniper212 I have deleted comments? Hmmm... nope, don't think so. Why would I delete any of my comments, when I know that everyone one of them is fact. I insult your family because they deserve to be insulted, just like you do. You believe in fairy tales without any proof at all, even with tons of evidence against them, then think that you use logic and rational when it comes to thinking about them. If you had the intelligence to do some research you would see how stupid religion is.
@airbornesniper212 Go ahead, try researching the facts, like dusty did, he clearly states in his videos all the time that he used to be a christian for 30+ years, then he was mocked for it and he wanted to prove atheists wrong, so he researched it and what happened? He saw so much evidence against religion, he became an atheist and stopped being a deluded, brainwashed retard. If you did the research, you would see how incredibly stupid religion is. And you still have failed to answer me... lol.
@oBLACKIECHANoo That means he wasnt meant for the missionary field. We all have our purpose. I have answered every one of your questions and accusations, I have studied the facts, and I have seen atheists proven wrong a whole lot. You have resorted to verbal abuse and flagging my comments. You are sacred of losing. I have embedded that seed of doubt. Tell you what, look for evidence supporting Christ. If you find nothing, everything will be the same as it was. Try it and see what you find. bye!
@airbornesniper212 Flagging your comments? if any of your comments were deleted or flagged as spam, it's because you deleted them, knowing how stupid you sound, dusty deleted them because he knows how stupid you are, or it's just lots of other people knowing how stupid you are. Atheists proven wrong/ No, you just think that because you will believe anything that some religious nutjob will say and if you have researched proven, scientific facts, you wouldn't be religious.
So let me get this straight. You believe that the most basic condition of existence is that for some reason an entity should exist. But not just any entity. For some reason this has some specific qualities. All-knowing, all-powerfull, and all-pressent.
Why are these the characteristics of God? Why did he just happen to have these specific characteristics?
Why do you find God more believable than ... uhh say Arthur the giant space slug who lives outside of space and time in the 11th dimension. He eats from the fabric of the temporal tree thus causing time to pass and as a result he shits universes in a stream of fecal bukake. Since he shits an infinite number of universes with different laws of nature eventually he happened to shit one where life could exist.
As realism goes this is more realistic that your God I think.
@airbornesniper212 And no, because chemicals, are physical, you can touch them, even separate atoms, you can technically touch. Chemicals are physical, fact. So no, me saying that doesn't show how uneducated I am, it's the exact opposite, however it does prove that you're an idiot, even with your flawed, magical creature and imaginary friend logic, that doesn't make sense.
@oBLACKIECHANoo Hm I guess that makes a bit of sense. I was talking about properties of things. Yes those are different. I would have said chemicals if I meant chemicals. Its called real thought process, not imaginary friend logic.
Next time a christian comes at me with pascals wager I'll ask him why he is not a muslim. Sure - the Bible does hint a bit to what hell is like, but the Quran goes on and on about how horrible muslim hell is.
Surely the christian runs a bigger chance by backing the religion with the most moderate description of hell.
Surely if a christian really reflected on pascals wager he runs a bigger chance by not being muslim than by not being christian.
@itsjustameme Hell is hell no matter where you go. Hell is endless suffering. You do actually have a good argument. It is thought out and not irrational crap like half the stuff on here. My answer to your question is faith. I have faith that Jesus is the God, not Allah. If I'm wrong, it will stink for me. I have read the Quran and the Bible several times through and I believe in the Bible. It is all about faith. If we don't have faith, what do we have?
The main problem I think is that Pascals Wager is a shitty argument to begin with. Mostly because it implies something like an even 50/50 chance. I think that since christianity is self refuting on so many levels the chance is more like 99,9999/0,000001 or something in that order of magnitude. I wouldn't even cross the street for the odd chance that Christianity is true - much less reorganize my life.
@itsjustameme Its a 50/50 chance that God is real according to the argument, yes. But the point of it is to show that if you choose Atheism and its wrong, you suffer in hell. If you choose right, nothing changes. If you choose God, etc. If you think about it as if it were a job opportunity, you would take the one with the least risk possible. In this case you loose your soul instead of a load of money. Its not about chance if you think about it deeply. Guess you wont be crossing any streets.
But with regards to the wager. How low does the probability have to be before you stop playing? Especially when there are other streets you might as well cross. Scientology I find more believable than christianity and though it is quite far fetched - well it just might be true. Perhaps you should try to have you body thetans purified just once to see if you feel the difference? And the first courses only cost a few bucks after all. Or do you see how stupid the argument seems?
Lol. I hope that's sarcasm, cuz I've heard that so many times before. I've had that inner struggle for a bit when I was younger. After I had been an Atheist for a short amount of time, I heard about the Mayan calendar and the end of the world and all that Jazz. I got scared. I crawled back into my safe hole Christianity for a while. Pretended like I never left and like I really bought into the propaganda. It didn't take long before I realized I couldn't continue to lie to myself.
@j919or See what I mean? With that little comment you have just proven yourself wrong and embarrassed yourself even further. Why should I debate with you, when you can simply search google yourself and look at all the proof against any religion you want? Is it because you don't have intelligence to do so? You're too lazy? or is it because you know that you will be proven wrong, and you don't want that to happen because then you think life wont have meaning and there will be nothing after death?
@j919or You say social pressure is my only method of defending irrationality? This is coming from you? Somebody who was born into a moronic religious family, and therefore believes in fairy tales from a book, that has hundred of contradictions and errors, all because if you don't, apparently you will go to hell and your family will hate you.
Seems to me that anyone who bases their belief solely on Pascal's Wager is insulting God (if he exists). If he is all-knowing and omniscient, wouldn't he know that you only believe in him because you are afraid not to? Why would he accept half-assed "Christians" like that and fundamentalists on the same level? Christians shouldn't bother trying to convert atheists with that argument, since all it does is create half-assed Christians. Convert based on truth and evidence, not fear... oh wait...
@Joosybum"Pascal's Wager is insulting God (if he exists)"
Pascals wager is a strawman argument.Who cares what Pascal said? Even if you believe THAT God exists,u still arent saved bc until u entrust urself to Him u remain in evil and rebellion
Dusty boast that he is logical but commits logical fallacies in all vids. Here the strawman argument. He doesnt even know what faith in according to the bible. He attacks Pascal. What a hypocrite! I challenge u debate me here Dusty..for the 9th time
in your youtube video "I almost became a christian again"...at the end you are right...chrisitans are more afriad to die than atheist. read the book "Society without God" by Phil Zuckerman..the author interviews Hospice workers and one of the questions they were asked was who seems more afaid to die? all the Hospice workers said the christians are, as for the atheist they appeared to be more peaceful.
Faith IS the evidence. Christians have the evidence that God gives them, namely faith which is like a sixth sense by which we can experience God. I moaned and whined like Dusty until I got faith, then I was convinced that we all are evil and twisted until faith.
Dusty is way whacked out and knows nothing. No wonder yall idolize him.
Ok, but I wasnt praying here. Perhas I was praying for those that are willing to absorb the best for their lives and not accelerate towards destruction.
@AdonTimasu The bible defines faith according to its usage of the word and that is the preferred usage when we find the word faith in the bible. How can yall be so foolish?
@j919or What definition? You never defined the word, so I do not know how you are using the word. The only definition I know for a fact is the belief without certainty or evidence.
@j919or Hebrews 11:1-2 says, "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for."
@AdonTimasu Assurance is translated evidence. In order to perceive and experience God who is non material we need a sense other than the 5 senses which are for perceiving material things. That is why most of the world has not experienced God, because they either dont want to experience God or they have no faith. Even demons believe God exists but faith is knowing that God is good by exp-erience.
Ive experienced God and He is totally awesome beyond belief.
@j919or You have? You mean that you're a fucking moron, who can't even create a coherent thought in that pathetic mind of yours, you don't even have a basic understand of logic and rational. You're so incredibly fucking stupid that you think hallucinations are proof of god. Seriously, you ignorant cunt, go learn something about psychology, maybe you would learn why you saw god in an hallucination. It's because you need to see him to prove that your pathetic life means something.
@j919or You really need somebody to debate you on the contradictions in the bible? HAHAHAHAHA, I am guessing you have read the bible, and yet you do not see any contradictions, which automatically means you have no idea what a contradiction is. please, go fucking hang yourself, you're nothing more than a disgrace to humanity, your IQ is clearly far too low for you to understand what logic even is, so "debating" with you is a huge waste of time.
@oBLACKIECHANoo Typical teenage... social pressure is their only method of defending their irrationality and confused mind that they so desperately want to hide from others.
@j919or Admit that I can't? Why would I do that just because I don't want to debate with somebody that will do nothing more than use irrational and illogical quotes from some book made by uneducated fools 2000 years ago, or just use god as proof of him? You pick and choose stories from a book and believe them because you was told toy and the book said it was true, without any evidence what so ever, you don't even question your own beliefs, which is basic human nature. You're sub-human scum.
@oBLACKIECHANoo Then debate me and ull be able to show all readers that im irrational and use logical fallacies. What are you afriad of? Pick ur best contradiction and commit to debating it.
@j919or So now you only want to focus on one contradiction when there is hundreds? What a surprise, too scared to just google a list of bible contradictions? I don't need to debate about any of them, because it is fact that they are contradictions, one thing is said, then a second thing is said that contradicts the first, what is there to debate about that? Do you think that when it comes to your book of fairy tales that the definition of the word 'contradiction' changes?
@j919or So after all this time, you finally reply, and this is all you can say? Like I said, go use the internet for what it was made for. Look up a list of contradictions, learn what the word means too, since it is impossible to argue against a contradiction, but good luck with that, useless fucking scum.
@j919or You want to try and debate a contradiction? HAHAHA, Seriously, I still can't believe that somebody actually believes it's possible to prove a contradiction, isn't a contradiction. You are literally scum, you need to hang yourself, but just to prove how stupid you are -
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
@j919or One deals with the soul, the other physical death? It's funny because it doesn't say anything of such things, but ofcourse, all that is expected from you is to make up shit and pretend it's the truth. He emptied himself of his position? Again, no he didn't. But it's obvious that you haven't even read the bible, so I'm done with you, have fun being an enslaved, uneducated worthless little moron for the rest of your pathetic life, and good job proving that yourself. Get blocked and ingored
@j919or Oh, and because you obviously don't even know what a contradiction is, here is the definition - a statement or proposition that contradicts or denies another or itself and is logically incongruous. - But for some reason, you somehow think you can argue against that? You think that one statement, contradicting another statement, is somehow not a contradiction? Honestly, I though I have met some pathetically stupid religious cunts on YouTube before, but you easily are the worst.
@j919or Oh, and one more thing, you clearly do nothing but comment on religious videos, which means you're either a troll, or some 40 yr old redneck cunt with the IQ of a pig. Now go use the internet for what it is made for, education, a simple google search of bible contradictions comes up with an entire list of them, but I guess that just proves that you don't even have the intelligence to use the internet.
you're just being rude to everyone, your not even challenging our statements, i literally can't tell what side your on. god has so many faces/forms/interpretations that he cancels himself out. one religion believes he is loving and the other believes he is angry and vengeful. god makes no sense if there was a god he would be something. humans can break down and interpret bread, mountains, the ocean, how magnets work, how cells divide, where babies come from. but no one can find god. zero gods
if there was A god there would be A religion. one species of humans would have one religion if there was one god. multiple religions either means multiple godS or no god at all. not one, there's no god, never has been, never will be.
@Thediggitydoggg i'm not an atheist either. i'm a person. i believe in other people and animals and plants. i don't believe in things that don't exist. god has nothing to do with my life. how can i reject what isn't even there. i'm not an atheist, you can't label me, i'm a person with the freedom to think the way i want and to be whoever i want. i am a human, created by other humans. if i have any religion it's EVERYTHINGISTERRIBLE!
@emailtheoldies I'm not downing you for living your life without God. I'm just saying that your logic was flawed. To say that you know for certain that God doesn't exist is just as close-minded as someone saying that they are certain God does exist. Just because you don't think about it or there isn't proof doesn't mean that it doesn't possibly exist. There are endless possibilities to this existence and for someone to be "sure" of something without all of the facts equates ignorance.
@Thediggitydoggg well people have been talking about dragons and unicorns for centuries too, yet there mythology is obvious. god seems really illogical. thanks for talking it over instead of calling me retarded. and lets not forget, if people were intelligently designed, would there even be retarded people? a creator "could" exist, but if it's the god of the bible, then i give up, i don't need yahweh. or anyone. i'm awesome on my own.
@j919or Why would anyone accept your challenge? God has one way and no one will change his way. He will crush sinners against him and that is the bottom line. No man can stop God's holy ways
@j919or Thanks, I appreciate your work and your dealing with these athiests who have their heart hardened. Wish they would see the light. Keep the faith and God bless!
And for all of your talking you really don't seem to have a brain. If there were no God at all, I can tell you, I'd have no reason to not look out for only myself. It would be "only the strongest survive" types of people around. And this guy that made the video, would probably be in someones kitchen cooking or doing someone's laundry if he isn't already. I don't hate anyone, I am not allowed to and I'm fine with that. but people, listen to reason. Don't listen to this dusty
@ShayAaron82 ""I'd have no reason to not look out for only myself""
True, but atheists will lie about that and say that they care about others. They say it to defend their movement and establish acceptability in society, and every movement has unity over a common cause esp. when that movement is a minority.
Natural selection and survival of the fitest doesnt allow for altruism, even though we see it often in the animal kingdom.
@j919or Evolution by natural selection does allow for all human emotions, we're not special snowflakes. Read a book. Unless yous trollin. Then that's okay. You'll grow out of it.
@Thediggitydoggg yes, thats is what I am saying. What would be the point? to be fair? When has fairness ever been valued in life? I think that we are all saved somewhat by the fact that there is a God and that people do believe in Him. This world would be chaos.
@ShayAaron82 I think it's terrifying that the only reason you are a good person is because you're afraid of God and his wrath. Any atheist or agnostic knows that you don't need to be afraid of God and the all seeing eye to be a good person. I think you should forget about God for one second and ask yourself if you are truly a good person, or if you're a good person because you're afraid of eternal hellfire. And if it's the latter, what would God think about that if he did exist?
Without God their would be chaos. There is a divine order in everything. How does the earth rotate and we stay in place. Gravity! Right! But how is there gravity? You put a cup on a table and assume that someone placed that cup on that table, but lets go further than that, you assume that someone made that cup and built that table..... but you didn't see that.... Wouldn't the same simple rules apply to God in the most minuscule form? Some people won't accept the truth, but what if we are right??
You are right. Either the christians are right or the athiest. I like you athiest though. You guys seek. But yeah, either christians or athiests are right. Have a nice day
@boywhoy88 Atheism can't be "right" or "wrong" because it's a lack of belief. It's really just either the religion is true or it's not. If God really did exist then atheists wouldn't be wrong. We'd simply learn new knowledge that was formerly denied to us.
@j919or (a)gnosticism has to do with the question "can things be known?". Everyone is agnostic. When you ask someone if they believe in God and they say "I'm agnostic" it's like asking someone if they'd like a hamburger and they say, "I like french fries." Take Russell's teapot: a teapot orbiting the sun that's too small to detect. Technically I can't know it's not there, so I'm agnostic, but I don't believe it's there anymore than I believe in Santa, God, or the Boogeyman. I'm an atheist.
Nah. An agnostic is someone that admits that they dont know if there is a God or not. An atheist believes there is no God. And then sets out to prove that there is no God.You pervert the meaning to an agnostic doesnt even understand the question. ROFL.
Bottom line is that the only solution for the evil of the world is not organized religion or atheism, but rather that each individual repents of self and entrusts themselves to the creator of all, that alone can live their lives thru his power and wisdom.
@j919or You started off well here then slipped back on to the slippery slope. All we know as fact is that we are here and as far as we can see WE are all that can fix OUR OWN problems. Get off your knees and HELP. The fact that someone believes in "your" God is pointless. Fight ALL evil and praise ALL good. I agree that the solution is neither a belief in religion or the lack of it (which is all it meens to be an atheist everything else is your bias to your definition of it). Weak stuff.
@MrTYBOW99 Your invitation to that party was lost in the mail sinner. You are judging and the bible tell you "Judge NOT". You are threatening hell as Christ told you not to.
You are saying that you will rejoice in the suffering of others. You are a fuckin monster.
This is a strawman argument. U invent something that he never said and then attack it. He never said he was rejoicing that people were in hell. U invented that and ur whole argument is illogical and irrational.
@j919or I don't think it was so much a strawman as it was a misunderstanding of what the gentleman said. He said that sinners would "ROT IN HELL" while the faithful were in Heaven "rejoicing". I don't think he meant that they'd be "rejoicing BECAUSE sinners were rotting in Hell", but I can certainly see how one could draw that conclusion.
Either way, though, the passion with which the OP presented the notion of sinners "rotting in Hell" is enough to justify the assumption that he enjoys theidea
@SeedsOfHatred ""certainly see how one could draw that conclusion.""
that is a forced conclusion. that is indicative of the unfounded conclusions of irrational and illogical atheists that base their "facts" on a myriad of assumptions.
@j919or Christ tells you to know why you are a Christian so that you can tell others. If your only reason is fear of hell then you are "not a true Christian" according to your gods "word". Enjoy
@j919or Now we all know for a fact who is evil fighting evil now don't we? Anyone who worships a MATERIAL item is pure evil. ***ATTENTION EVERYONE*** @j919or is an Antitheist TROLLING youtube acting as a Christian only to insite hate torwards us REAL Christians. Plz, I beg you to ignore this evil human being. He trolls atheists to get them to hate other humans that he obviously has not compassion for. He is the LOWEST of all human sludge. He is a snake begging you to eat the apple.
A God is meant to be Feared. Fear is a Dangerous Word. It could mean Respect but is could also mean being Afraid. Afraid as in if you don't do this, Your going to Hell. All Reason, Hope, & Freedom Gone in Holy Fire Forever. The Bible also says we are Born with Sin. What?? So if we Sin, in any way, we're going to Hell. But we can't help it, it's our Nature. So why then Punish 80% of People that you Created, Knew would Sin, & Knew would Never be Fixed or Learn. Bullshit!
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MrTYBOW99 5 days ago
My choice lets see now should I go with 99.9% of scientist the smartest people on earth and logic and go with the "no God theory"? Na I'm going with Peter Popoff and the $79.95 bottle of holy water that will cure cancer and erectile dysfunction.
baxtar2012 1 week ago
if i was god i would write a fake book and try to fuck with the retarded people
flamingacdc1 1 week ago
Many Christians say you are tortured forever but even in the bible it says you die once you go to hell so you don't get tortured forever.
flamingacdc1 1 week ago
its not the real dusty without his beard
flamingacdc1 1 week ago
Dusty forgot to mention that even if it's a true dichotomy, it's retarded to persuade someone to believe in something by threatening them with an aspect of that belief. It' like someone saying, "I have psychokinetic powers the likes of which you can't imagine. I won't ever demonstrate them, but if you don't believe in my powers, I'll kill you with them!"
Snakepliskinist 1 week ago
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MVDfree 1 week ago
You are right about christians but you are wrong about BELIEF !
BELIEF = EVIDENCE + FAITH
The more evidence you have the more faithfull you become and vice verca !
Belief is not evidence only cos if it was like that it wouldn't be callef Belief !
If I see something i don't have to believe it , cos I see it !
Non of you has seen his grand grand grand grand mother but you believe you had one based on logical thinking !
Islam is the only true logical religion
MrCobra811 2 weeks ago
@MrCobra811 haha, so funny! Right about Christians but not my religion, oh no we can't have that!
But then what you may consider evidence someone else (like me) may consider to be fairy tales constructed to trick simple minded individuals to become complacent to authority.
Islam has created some of the most dangerous governments/terrorists/misogynists in the world today. I think you need to switch the word the word "logical" with "idealogical."
TheFreeThinkingMan 2 weeks ago
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@TheFreeThinkingMan What I consider evidence is tested by something called logic , if you consider logic as fairy tale then you need therapy ! Its very simple , thats how we distinguish whats true and whats not , based on logic!
"Islam has constructed some of the most dangerous things today" by what standart you are measuring that ? By the standart of the survival of the fittest which you believe ! In the survival of the fittest anything goes , so you FAIL logically
MrCobra811 2 weeks ago
@MrCobra811 Muslems have faith in themselves. True christians have faith in God and not themselves. Also, faith IS the evidence. Faith is the ability to perceive God who is nonmaterial and cant be perceived with the 5 material senses.
there is plenty of evidence outside of faith so that people without faith have no excuse as to why they didnt ask God for faith, ie. ask God to reveal Himself to them so that they could entrust themselves to Him and be changed from their evil
j919or 1 week ago
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@j919or ""...there is plenty of evidence outside of faith..." No there isn't. There's absolutely no conclusive evidence in support of the existence of ANY god(s). Let alone anything that would indicate that your pet god/belief is any more valid tan any other nonsense claim.
"...people without faith have no excuse as to why they didnt ask God for faith..." You said "Faith is the ability to experience God", now you have to experience god before you can have faith?! Make up your mind.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
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@MrCobra811 Muslems have faith in themselves. True christians have faith in God and not themselves. Also, faith IS the evidence. Faith is the ability to perceive God who is nonmaterial and cant be perceived with the 5 material senses.
there is plenty of evidence outside of faith so that people without faith have no excuse as to why they didnt ask God for faith, ie. ask God to reveal Himself to them so that they could entrust themselves to Him and be changed from their evil
j919or 1 week ago
@MrCobra811 Islam and all of relgions with a code or system of self reform in attempts to please God in their evil state are futile and are tools of the devil to keep them from truly knowing God and being changed . No one even wants heaven until they are changed into lovers of God, His will and His glory by the grace and power of God himself..
j919or 1 week ago
Dusty claims logical mind yet he commits the logical fallacies of strawman and overgeneralization and false analogy
j919or 2 weeks ago
Faith IS the evidence. Faith is the ability to experience God. And ull never be the same
Dusty never had faith and is forever confused.
j919or 2 weeks ago
@j919or HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "faith is proof" HAHAHAHAHA "i've won" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "dusty never had faith" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... Ahhhh.... how pathetic, HAHAHA LMAO !
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Backie laughs without logic and asserts without support? Not surprised.
j919or 1 week ago
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@j919or Faith is believing in something without any logic or evidence,
faith = "willful suspension of critical thinking"
-Bill Maher
Tudorel98 2 weeks ago
@j919or "Faith IS the evidence." Lol faith is the acceptance of something without evidence. Saying that the acceptance of a thing without evidence for the thing is the evidence of the thing is circular and illogical.
"Dusty never had faith and is forever confused. " Ah the old "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Fail.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@ReverendWyrm Yes when a document defines its own terms,"Faith IS the evidence" ,one is obligated to defer to that definition and dispose of the modern definition.
j919or 1 week ago
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@j919or "Yes when a document defines its own terms,"Faith IS the evidence" ,one is obligated to defer to that definition and dispose of the modern definition." One is under no such obligation unless the new definition can be demonstrated to be more accurate and reliable than the previous. Redefining things in order to make reality fit your claims is not how the world works. In this case there is no evidence that faith is evidence for anything other than deluded or wishful thinking.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@ReverendWyrm "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Fail."
Dusty doesnt even understand what is faith. How could he have it? He uses the strawman fallacy. He builds a false definition of faith and then attacks it.
j919or 1 week ago
@j919or "Dusty doesnt even understand what is faith." What you really mean to say is that he doesn't understand faith as YOU define it. If you use some obscure personal definition for a subject there's no reason why anyone SHOULD understand. He presents his subject using the ACTUAL definition and then presents his argument. Using the accepted definition for a subject is not a straw man.
"faith: belief that is not based on proof;belief in something, esp without proof or evidence"
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
There are 3 ideas
1. God doesnt exist ==atheist view
2, God does exist but expects us to preform for Him==all the religions of the world
3. God does exist and knows that we cant change ourselves and does all that is necessary for us to change and receive eternal life==Jesus' teaching
j919or 2 weeks ago
@j919or Jesus's teachings? Dont you mean... Christianity? A "religion"?
Tudorel98 2 weeks ago
@j919or we don`t know jack shit = agonosticism
livingisdieing27 1 week ago
@airbornesniper212 Its better for everyone if you let them believe what they want :) I choose to live free and don't go to church, and you choose to live your life aswell but you do go to church.
WhAtStHeMaTtErMan 2 weeks ago
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@WhAtStHeMaTtErMan You are right, God is not a proven fact. There is a lot evidence for him, but He is not proven. Science can only explain so much, and when that explanation runs out we have faith. If you cross a wooden bridge, are you completely certain that it will hold while you cross? The answer is no. You take it on faith that it will hold. This is the same kind of thing, where you are not sure that God exists, but you take it on faith that He does. I choose to trust the bridge.
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
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airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
@WhAtStHeMaTtErMan Thank you for being reasonable and not throwing irrational poop at me.
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
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airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
lol 3:06
SlavicDemon 2 weeks ago
Just saying, Pascals wager compares Theism and Atheism, not just Christianity. Sure there are a lot of religions out there, but the only ones that could be real are Islam and Christianity. If you actually read the texts and compared things with the real world, it would show you that there is a lot of proof for God existing. Your argument is flawed because you are twisting the actual meaning of the wager. I believe in Christ and I am happier with Him than without Him.
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
I am going to join the Cult Of Dusty and will forward your video. I think they are great. I am the author of Bible Thumper To Atheist
tomecrawford 3 weeks ago
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tomecrawford 3 weeks ago
what cracks me up the most about these pascal wager people is the idea that they really have some doubts and are not entirely sure if He exists but they are gonna go along with to be faith- hey assholes - your all knowing all hearing God would know this if he was as powerful as you state - but you could pull the wool over his eyes right?? powerful guy i guess
freedom1234573 3 weeks ago
i couldn't say it any better than dusty, am a christian but god gave us logic and most religious people don't use it.
HavocSoto 3 weeks ago
@HavocSoto Anyone that believes in god, without any proof what so ever, is not capable of using logic, that is yet another delusion of yours.
oBLACKIECHANoo 3 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo am not that religious, but believing in theories such as the big bang theory without any proof either, are also delusional, but hey its a possibility right?
HavocSoto 3 weeks ago
@HavocSoto No, the big bang happened, that is proven fact, everything in our universe is moving away from a single point, there is no counter argument to that, the big bang theory says nothing about how things came into existence. We don't know how things came into existence and no matter how much we find out it's impossible to do so, but that doesn't mean a god made things. There isn't just no proof of a god, but there also is a ton of evidence against them.
oBLACKIECHANoo 3 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo okay like i told u am not that religious
HavocSoto 2 weeks ago
@HavocSoto No, you said you was a christian, therefore you are religious.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
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airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212 LMAO, again, how fucking stupid can you be? Believing in jesus, is being religious, christianity is religious, END OF FUCKING STORY, you idiotic cunt. Honestly, just stop talking, you're doing nothing but embarrassing yourself and disgracing humanity. Nobody wants you hear your idiocy.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo There is a lot of proof of an intelligent creator in the world around us, both physical and chemical. Things that we cant see with the naked eye to things that stretch hundreds of miles. Darwin himself that if more is discovered about the atom and cells, his theory would not stand. People were just to stubborn to accept that. It is also easier to say there is no God and live your life however you want to. There is no definitive evidence saying there is no God either.
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, are you fucking retarded? None of those prove there is a creator, there is no proof for anything to do with any religion, there isn't even a small piece of evidence. You just take scientific facts and call them evidence for your utter fucking bullshit, so that you can pretend your intelligent and so retards will believe you. just the fact that you think "physical and chemical" are two different things, proves just how uneducated you are.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo I cannot believe that diverse, complex life originated out of chaos. It goes against everything in the universe. Someone intelligent had to put these together. All of the everything has a design and a purpose. Purpose comes from something, not nothing. If a ball goes through the air, you would assume that it didnt go on its own. youi look to the left and see a bat. you would assume someone swung the bat, right? Then you look and see a small boy next to the bat. you would also...
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212 If you was actually educated, you would know that life didn't come from chaos, and you would know that order cannot come from chaos in a closed system, however, this entire universe is a open system, anything can happen. Denying evolution just shows how uneducated you are, and it also shows that you are so pathetically stupid that you go through life choosing to ignore all proof and evidence against your beliefs because you're scared of reality.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo (continued) assume that the boy swung the bat. the boy represents an intelligent creator. the bat resembles creation. the ball represents what we see today. I see a depiction of an atom. I don't say "hm that originated on its own", I think of what created it. It was made in creation (it is proven that the universe had a beginning). But what started creation? Not itself, because it didn't exist. Someone intelligent had to have done it. It is the only "logical" explanation.
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212 That is the only logical explanation? So tell me, where did this designer come from? Because if he came from some other universe or something, then something must of made that? And so on and so on, the exact same logic applies for your idiotic fairy tales. Except us intelligent human beings try to explain it, instead of using flawed logic and fairy tales to explain it.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo You kind of just made my point there. If there was nothing before time, then nothing could exist based off of the properties of creation. That means an intelligent designer had to exist before time in order to create everything, including time.The definition of such a being is God :) pwned by a 14 year old
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212 So you're 14? Well then, you have just proven that you completely ignore anything that proves how idiotic you are, and that you was forced to believe this shit by you're sad red neck parents. But please, explain to me where your creator came from? Because explaining how a being that could literally do anything, was created, is a googolplex times more difficult than explaining anything in this universe.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo That is kind of what God is, the eternal being. And no, I decided to be a Christian by my own accord. I grow weary of arguing with a stubborn lunatic who resolves to cursing, deleting comments and insulting my family. I honestly feel bad for you. Hope you are content with your life. best of luck
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212 I have deleted comments? Hmmm... nope, don't think so. Why would I delete any of my comments, when I know that everyone one of them is fact. I insult your family because they deserve to be insulted, just like you do. You believe in fairy tales without any proof at all, even with tons of evidence against them, then think that you use logic and rational when it comes to thinking about them. If you had the intelligence to do some research you would see how stupid religion is.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212 Go ahead, try researching the facts, like dusty did, he clearly states in his videos all the time that he used to be a christian for 30+ years, then he was mocked for it and he wanted to prove atheists wrong, so he researched it and what happened? He saw so much evidence against religion, he became an atheist and stopped being a deluded, brainwashed retard. If you did the research, you would see how incredibly stupid religion is. And you still have failed to answer me... lol.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo That means he wasnt meant for the missionary field. We all have our purpose. I have answered every one of your questions and accusations, I have studied the facts, and I have seen atheists proven wrong a whole lot. You have resorted to verbal abuse and flagging my comments. You are sacred of losing. I have embedded that seed of doubt. Tell you what, look for evidence supporting Christ. If you find nothing, everything will be the same as it was. Try it and see what you find. bye!
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212 Flagging your comments? if any of your comments were deleted or flagged as spam, it's because you deleted them, knowing how stupid you sound, dusty deleted them because he knows how stupid you are, or it's just lots of other people knowing how stupid you are. Atheists proven wrong/ No, you just think that because you will believe anything that some religious nutjob will say and if you have researched proven, scientific facts, you wouldn't be religious.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212 And no, you still fail to tell me where your creator came from.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
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So let me get this straight. You believe that the most basic condition of existence is that for some reason an entity should exist. But not just any entity. For some reason this has some specific qualities. All-knowing, all-powerfull, and all-pressent.
Why are these the characteristics of God? Why did he just happen to have these specific characteristics?
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itsjustameme 2 weeks ago
@itsjustameme
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Why do you find God more believable than ... uhh say Arthur the giant space slug who lives outside of space and time in the 11th dimension. He eats from the fabric of the temporal tree thus causing time to pass and as a result he shits universes in a stream of fecal bukake. Since he shits an infinite number of universes with different laws of nature eventually he happened to shit one where life could exist.
As realism goes this is more realistic that your God I think.
itsjustameme 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo P.S- saying that physical and chemical things are the same just shows how uneducated you are, just saying.
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212 And no, because chemicals, are physical, you can touch them, even separate atoms, you can technically touch. Chemicals are physical, fact. So no, me saying that doesn't show how uneducated I am, it's the exact opposite, however it does prove that you're an idiot, even with your flawed, magical creature and imaginary friend logic, that doesn't make sense.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo Hm I guess that makes a bit of sense. I was talking about properties of things. Yes those are different. I would have said chemicals if I meant chemicals. Its called real thought process, not imaginary friend logic.
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
Next time a christian comes at me with pascals wager I'll ask him why he is not a muslim. Sure - the Bible does hint a bit to what hell is like, but the Quran goes on and on about how horrible muslim hell is.
Surely the christian runs a bigger chance by backing the religion with the most moderate description of hell.
Surely if a christian really reflected on pascals wager he runs a bigger chance by not being muslim than by not being christian.
Logic.
itsjustameme 3 weeks ago
@itsjustameme Hell is hell no matter where you go. Hell is endless suffering. You do actually have a good argument. It is thought out and not irrational crap like half the stuff on here. My answer to your question is faith. I have faith that Jesus is the God, not Allah. If I'm wrong, it will stink for me. I have read the Quran and the Bible several times through and I believe in the Bible. It is all about faith. If we don't have faith, what do we have?
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
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The main problem I think is that Pascals Wager is a shitty argument to begin with. Mostly because it implies something like an even 50/50 chance. I think that since christianity is self refuting on so many levels the chance is more like 99,9999/0,000001 or something in that order of magnitude. I wouldn't even cross the street for the odd chance that Christianity is true - much less reorganize my life.
itsjustameme 2 weeks ago
@itsjustameme Its a 50/50 chance that God is real according to the argument, yes. But the point of it is to show that if you choose Atheism and its wrong, you suffer in hell. If you choose right, nothing changes. If you choose God, etc. If you think about it as if it were a job opportunity, you would take the one with the least risk possible. In this case you loose your soul instead of a load of money. Its not about chance if you think about it deeply. Guess you wont be crossing any streets.
airbornesniper212 2 weeks ago
@airbornesniper212
But with regards to the wager. How low does the probability have to be before you stop playing? Especially when there are other streets you might as well cross. Scientology I find more believable than christianity and though it is quite far fetched - well it just might be true. Perhaps you should try to have you body thetans purified just once to see if you feel the difference? And the first courses only cost a few bucks after all. Or do you see how stupid the argument seems?
itsjustameme 2 weeks ago
Lol. I hope that's sarcasm, cuz I've heard that so many times before. I've had that inner struggle for a bit when I was younger. After I had been an Atheist for a short amount of time, I heard about the Mayan calendar and the end of the world and all that Jazz. I got scared. I crawled back into my safe hole Christianity for a while. Pretended like I never left and like I really bought into the propaganda. It didn't take long before I realized I couldn't continue to lie to myself.
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Ok so u can use google but u cant debate. Just as I thought.
j919or 3 weeks ago
@j919or See what I mean? With that little comment you have just proven yourself wrong and embarrassed yourself even further. Why should I debate with you, when you can simply search google yourself and look at all the proof against any religion you want? Is it because you don't have intelligence to do so? You're too lazy? or is it because you know that you will be proven wrong, and you don't want that to happen because then you think life wont have meaning and there will be nothing after death?
oBLACKIECHANoo 3 weeks ago
@j919or You say social pressure is my only method of defending irrationality? This is coming from you? Somebody who was born into a moronic religious family, and therefore believes in fairy tales from a book, that has hundred of contradictions and errors, all because if you don't, apparently you will go to hell and your family will hate you.
oBLACKIECHANoo 3 weeks ago
One time on the last year, I almost became christian too.
I was drunk as a...
UltimatePlayer000001 3 weeks ago
Seems to me that anyone who bases their belief solely on Pascal's Wager is insulting God (if he exists). If he is all-knowing and omniscient, wouldn't he know that you only believe in him because you are afraid not to? Why would he accept half-assed "Christians" like that and fundamentalists on the same level? Christians shouldn't bother trying to convert atheists with that argument, since all it does is create half-assed Christians. Convert based on truth and evidence, not fear... oh wait...
Joosybum 3 weeks ago
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@Joosybum"Pascal's Wager is insulting God (if he exists)"
Pascals wager is a strawman argument.Who cares what Pascal said? Even if you believe THAT God exists,u still arent saved bc until u entrust urself to Him u remain in evil and rebellion
Dusty boast that he is logical but commits logical fallacies in all vids. Here the strawman argument. He doesnt even know what faith in according to the bible. He attacks Pascal. What a hypocrite! I challenge u debate me here Dusty..for the 9th time
j919or 3 weeks ago
in your youtube video "I almost became a christian again"...at the end you are right...chrisitans are more afriad to die than atheist. read the book "Society without God" by Phil Zuckerman..the author interviews Hospice workers and one of the questions they were asked was who seems more afaid to die? all the Hospice workers said the christians are, as for the atheist they appeared to be more peaceful.
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Pascal's wager..........great way to display your argument.
Sorry Dusty even in an Infinite universe there is no way $cientology is right.
AngryBugger2012 1 month ago in playlist Atheist Videos
@AngryBugger2012 replace "argument" with "ignorance"
FIXT
AngryBugger2012 1 month ago in playlist Atheist Videos
Faith IS the evidence. Christians have the evidence that God gives them, namely faith which is like a sixth sense by which we can experience God. I moaned and whined like Dusty until I got faith, then I was convinced that we all are evil and twisted until faith.
Dusty is way whacked out and knows nothing. No wonder yall idolize him.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or lol cool story bro. Go pray somewhere else.
NunoFigueira31 1 month ago
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@NunoFigueira31 ""Go pray somewhere else""
Ok, but I wasnt praying here. Perhas I was praying for those that are willing to absorb the best for their lives and not accelerate towards destruction.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or This is one of the few places I can get away from you people. Please leave this place. Go to a pro-christian video and preach there.
nuggetking1012 1 month ago
@nuggetking1012 Just dont look at my posts. This is a public forum. Or dont review the comments. Or admit that you hate the light/truth.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Faith is quite literally belief without evidence. Faith = Evidence is a logical paradox.
AdonTimasu 4 weeks ago
@AdonTimasu The bible defines faith according to its usage of the word and that is the preferred usage when we find the word faith in the bible. How can yall be so foolish?
j919or 4 weeks ago
@j919or What definition? You never defined the word, so I do not know how you are using the word. The only definition I know for a fact is the belief without certainty or evidence.
AdonTimasu 4 weeks ago
@AdonTimasu Read Hebrews 11
j919or 4 weeks ago
@j919or Hebrews 11:1-2 says, "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for."
Translation: faith without evidence.
AdonTimasu 4 weeks ago
@AdonTimasu belief*
AdonTimasu 4 weeks ago
@AdonTimasu Assurance is translated evidence. In order to perceive and experience God who is non material we need a sense other than the 5 senses which are for perceiving material things. That is why most of the world has not experienced God, because they either dont want to experience God or they have no faith. Even demons believe God exists but faith is knowing that God is good by exp-erience.
Ive experienced God and He is totally awesome beyond belief.
j919or 3 weeks ago
@j919or You have? You mean that you're a fucking moron, who can't even create a coherent thought in that pathetic mind of yours, you don't even have a basic understand of logic and rational. You're so incredibly fucking stupid that you think hallucinations are proof of god. Seriously, you ignorant cunt, go learn something about psychology, maybe you would learn why you saw god in an hallucination. It's because you need to see him to prove that your pathetic life means something.
oBLACKIECHANoo 3 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo SPoken like a true demon.
Note: this is called the logical fallacy of ad hominem. Dusty claims that he is all about logic. You are all hypocrites.
Next, I dare you to debate me on any of these alleged contradictions in the bible or anti god arguments. The rules are that we respect LOGIC.
j919or 3 weeks ago
@j919or You really need somebody to debate you on the contradictions in the bible? HAHAHAHAHA, I am guessing you have read the bible, and yet you do not see any contradictions, which automatically means you have no idea what a contradiction is. please, go fucking hang yourself, you're nothing more than a disgrace to humanity, your IQ is clearly far too low for you to understand what logic even is, so "debating" with you is a huge waste of time.
oBLACKIECHANoo 3 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo Typical teenage... social pressure is their only method of defending their irrationality and confused mind that they so desperately want to hide from others.
Either debate or admit that u cant.
j919or 3 weeks ago
@j919or Admit that I can't? Why would I do that just because I don't want to debate with somebody that will do nothing more than use irrational and illogical quotes from some book made by uneducated fools 2000 years ago, or just use god as proof of him? You pick and choose stories from a book and believe them because you was told toy and the book said it was true, without any evidence what so ever, you don't even question your own beliefs, which is basic human nature. You're sub-human scum.
oBLACKIECHANoo 3 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo Then debate me and ull be able to show all readers that im irrational and use logical fallacies. What are you afriad of? Pick ur best contradiction and commit to debating it.
j919or 3 weeks ago
@j919or So now you only want to focus on one contradiction when there is hundreds? What a surprise, too scared to just google a list of bible contradictions? I don't need to debate about any of them, because it is fact that they are contradictions, one thing is said, then a second thing is said that contradicts the first, what is there to debate about that? Do you think that when it comes to your book of fairy tales that the definition of the word 'contradiction' changes?
oBLACKIECHANoo 3 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo ""you only want to focus on one contradiction ""
Nah. I want to shred them one by one. Start with ur best ones. Put up or shut up.
j919or 2 weeks ago
@j919or So after all this time, you finally reply, and this is all you can say? Like I said, go use the internet for what it was made for. Look up a list of contradictions, learn what the word means too, since it is impossible to argue against a contradiction, but good luck with that, useless fucking scum.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo Nah. Have some balls and post one of these alleged contradictions and then debate it with me. You are obviously scared.
Argue that any of them is actually a contradiction, you cant and you wont bc u only know how to blow smoke, Smokey.
j919or 2 weeks ago
@j919or You want to try and debate a contradiction? HAHAHA, Seriously, I still can't believe that somebody actually believes it's possible to prove a contradiction, isn't a contradiction. You are literally scum, you need to hang yourself, but just to prove how stupid you are -
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo "" I and my Father are one""
Ok great time to slice and dice your logic or lack thereof.
1. Jesus emptied Himself of His postion as God and took the form of a servant
2. Temporarily the Father was greater in position than God
3. NEXT!!!
j919or 2 weeks ago
@j919or Here's some more.
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo "" The LORD is a man of war""
I dont see where u are alleging contradiction here but Ill shred what I think is ur contention.
1. God gives peace to those that want to repent. He forgives the sin and its power which makes people hostile to God and each other
2. For those that refuse to repent and be cleansed go on in evil and hostility and have to be stopped for the sake of the rest.
j919or 2 weeks ago
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@oBLACKIECHANoo "" The LORD is a man of war""
I dont see where u are alleging contradiction here but Ill shred what I think is ur contention.
1. God gives peace to those that want to repent. He forgives the sin and its power which makes people hostile to God and each other
2. For those that refuse to repent and be cleansed go on in evil and hostility and have to be stopped for the sake of the rest.
j919or 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo ""The fathers shall not be put to death for the children"
One deals with soul death. The other deals with physical death.
1. Sin has consequence in the physical world
2. Fathers' sins affect the children and bring physical conseqeunce
3. Sin causes death in the sinner's soul but God will forgive and restore the life to the individual sinner's soul.
j919or 2 weeks ago
@j919or One deals with the soul, the other physical death? It's funny because it doesn't say anything of such things, but ofcourse, all that is expected from you is to make up shit and pretend it's the truth. He emptied himself of his position? Again, no he didn't. But it's obvious that you haven't even read the bible, so I'm done with you, have fun being an enslaved, uneducated worthless little moron for the rest of your pathetic life, and good job proving that yourself. Get blocked and ingored
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo
1. Yes the text says "the soul that sins shall die" and
2. Jesus said in His prayer to the Father that He would be RESTORED to the glory He had with hte Father before the world was made.
3. Im glad ur done with me bc for the most part u are boring and pathetic, since Ive debated and won with top sceptics.
j919or 2 weeks ago
@j919or Oh, and because you obviously don't even know what a contradiction is, here is the definition - a statement or proposition that contradicts or denies another or itself and is logically incongruous. - But for some reason, you somehow think you can argue against that? You think that one statement, contradicting another statement, is somehow not a contradiction? Honestly, I though I have met some pathetically stupid religious cunts on YouTube before, but you easily are the worst.
oBLACKIECHANoo 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo NEXT!!!!
j919or 2 weeks ago
@oBLACKIECHANoo ""go fucking hang yourself, you're nothing more than a disgrace to humanity,""
Anyone see the irony here?
j919or 3 weeks ago
@j919or Oh, and one more thing, you clearly do nothing but comment on religious videos, which means you're either a troll, or some 40 yr old redneck cunt with the IQ of a pig. Now go use the internet for what it is made for, education, a simple google search of bible contradictions comes up with an entire list of them, but I guess that just proves that you don't even have the intelligence to use the internet.
oBLACKIECHANoo 3 weeks ago
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wretchedSTONER 4 weeks ago
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@j919or - Faith is a man made emotion for trying to explain what you cannot....
wretchedSTONER 4 weeks ago
you're just being rude to everyone, your not even challenging our statements, i literally can't tell what side your on. god has so many faces/forms/interpretations that he cancels himself out. one religion believes he is loving and the other believes he is angry and vengeful. god makes no sense if there was a god he would be something. humans can break down and interpret bread, mountains, the ocean, how magnets work, how cells divide, where babies come from. but no one can find god. zero gods
emailtheoldies 1 month ago
if there was A god there would be A religion. one species of humans would have one religion if there was one god. multiple religions either means multiple godS or no god at all. not one, there's no god, never has been, never will be.
emailtheoldies 1 month ago
@emailtheoldies That is the most retarded logic I've ever read. I guess atheists are just as stupid as Christians.
Thediggitydoggg 1 month ago
@Thediggitydoggg i'm not an atheist either. i'm a person. i believe in other people and animals and plants. i don't believe in things that don't exist. god has nothing to do with my life. how can i reject what isn't even there. i'm not an atheist, you can't label me, i'm a person with the freedom to think the way i want and to be whoever i want. i am a human, created by other humans. if i have any religion it's EVERYTHINGISTERRIBLE!
emailtheoldies 1 month ago
@emailtheoldies I'm not downing you for living your life without God. I'm just saying that your logic was flawed. To say that you know for certain that God doesn't exist is just as close-minded as someone saying that they are certain God does exist. Just because you don't think about it or there isn't proof doesn't mean that it doesn't possibly exist. There are endless possibilities to this existence and for someone to be "sure" of something without all of the facts equates ignorance.
Thediggitydoggg 1 month ago
@Thediggitydoggg well people have been talking about dragons and unicorns for centuries too, yet there mythology is obvious. god seems really illogical. thanks for talking it over instead of calling me retarded. and lets not forget, if people were intelligently designed, would there even be retarded people? a creator "could" exist, but if it's the god of the bible, then i give up, i don't need yahweh. or anyone. i'm awesome on my own.
emailtheoldies 1 month ago
Notice how no one has yet accepted my challenge concerning Isaiah 45 and Ezekial 26.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Why would anyone accept your challenge? God has one way and no one will change his way. He will crush sinners against him and that is the bottom line. No man can stop God's holy ways
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88 I appreciate ur zeal and the beautiful work that God is doing in u.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Thanks, I appreciate your work and your dealing with these athiests who have their heart hardened. Wish they would see the light. Keep the faith and God bless!
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@j919or Sorry, just realized you were on God's side. Sorry.
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@Cultofdusty its also the logical fallacy known as "appeal to fear" which is a fallacy of appealing to emotion.
OpenAirAtheist 1 month ago
And for all of your talking you really don't seem to have a brain. If there were no God at all, I can tell you, I'd have no reason to not look out for only myself. It would be "only the strongest survive" types of people around. And this guy that made the video, would probably be in someones kitchen cooking or doing someone's laundry if he isn't already. I don't hate anyone, I am not allowed to and I'm fine with that. but people, listen to reason. Don't listen to this dusty
ShayAaron82 1 month ago
@ShayAaron82 ""I'd have no reason to not look out for only myself""
True, but atheists will lie about that and say that they care about others. They say it to defend their movement and establish acceptability in society, and every movement has unity over a common cause esp. when that movement is a minority.
Natural selection and survival of the fitest doesnt allow for altruism, even though we see it often in the animal kingdom.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Evolution by natural selection does allow for all human emotions, we're not special snowflakes. Read a book. Unless yous trollin. Then that's okay. You'll grow out of it.
64bitWar 1 month ago
@ShayAaron82 So are you saying that if you knew there wasn't a God you would have no reason not to be a selfish person?
Thediggitydoggg 1 month ago
@Thediggitydoggg yes, thats is what I am saying. What would be the point? to be fair? When has fairness ever been valued in life? I think that we are all saved somewhat by the fact that there is a God and that people do believe in Him. This world would be chaos.
ShayAaron82 1 month ago
@ShayAaron82 I think it's terrifying that the only reason you are a good person is because you're afraid of God and his wrath. Any atheist or agnostic knows that you don't need to be afraid of God and the all seeing eye to be a good person. I think you should forget about God for one second and ask yourself if you are truly a good person, or if you're a good person because you're afraid of eternal hellfire. And if it's the latter, what would God think about that if he did exist?
Thediggitydoggg 1 month ago
Without God their would be chaos. There is a divine order in everything. How does the earth rotate and we stay in place. Gravity! Right! But how is there gravity? You put a cup on a table and assume that someone placed that cup on that table, but lets go further than that, you assume that someone made that cup and built that table..... but you didn't see that.... Wouldn't the same simple rules apply to God in the most minuscule form? Some people won't accept the truth, but what if we are right??
ShayAaron82 1 month ago
You are right. Either the christians are right or the athiest. I like you athiest though. You guys seek. But yeah, either christians or athiests are right. Have a nice day
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88 Atheism can't be "right" or "wrong" because it's a lack of belief. It's really just either the religion is true or it's not. If God really did exist then atheists wouldn't be wrong. We'd simply learn new knowledge that was formerly denied to us.
64bitWar 1 month ago
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@64bitWar ""simply learn new knowledge ""
Then why not call urselves agnostics?
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or (a)gnosticism has to do with the question "can things be known?". Everyone is agnostic. When you ask someone if they believe in God and they say "I'm agnostic" it's like asking someone if they'd like a hamburger and they say, "I like french fries." Take Russell's teapot: a teapot orbiting the sun that's too small to detect. Technically I can't know it's not there, so I'm agnostic, but I don't believe it's there anymore than I believe in Santa, God, or the Boogeyman. I'm an atheist.
64bitWar 1 month ago
@64bitWar ""but I don't believe it's there ""
Nah. An agnostic is someone that admits that they dont know if there is a God or not. An atheist believes there is no God. And then sets out to prove that there is no God.You pervert the meaning to an agnostic doesnt even understand the question. ROFL.
j919or 1 month ago
@64bitWar Great. Have a nice day
boywhoy88 1 month ago
Double yawn!
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or-I'm glad I'm not the only Christian in here! Good to see you!
ShayAaron82 1 month ago
Yawn!
j919or 1 month ago
Bottom line is that the only solution for the evil of the world is not organized religion or atheism, but rather that each individual repents of self and entrusts themselves to the creator of all, that alone can live their lives thru his power and wisdom.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or You started off well here then slipped back on to the slippery slope. All we know as fact is that we are here and as far as we can see WE are all that can fix OUR OWN problems. Get off your knees and HELP. The fact that someone believes in "your" God is pointless. Fight ALL evil and praise ALL good. I agree that the solution is neither a belief in religion or the lack of it (which is all it meens to be an atheist everything else is your bias to your definition of it). Weak stuff.
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@j919or You have to do better, PLZ challenge me. Give me something to work with that I can't dismiss in seconds, make me think harder.
BigDwarren 1 month ago
Without Jesus Christ My Sir your gonna ROT IN HELL the rest of eturnity when u die while us christians are in heaven rejoiceing
MrTYBOW99 1 month ago
@MrTYBOW99 IF god exists,maybe,but their is a good chance that will never happen.
Nanatsaya77 1 month ago
@MrTYBOW99 Your invitation to that party was lost in the mail sinner. You are judging and the bible tell you "Judge NOT". You are threatening hell as Christ told you not to.
You are saying that you will rejoice in the suffering of others. You are a fuckin monster.
TheAnubisDrake 1 month ago
@TheAnubisDrake ""rejoice in the suffering of others""
This is a strawman argument. U invent something that he never said and then attack it. He never said he was rejoicing that people were in hell. U invented that and ur whole argument is illogical and irrational.
j919or 1 month ago
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@j919or "u die while us christians are in heaven rejoiceing"
Sure sounds like it...
TheAnubisDrake 1 month ago
@j919or I don't think it was so much a strawman as it was a misunderstanding of what the gentleman said. He said that sinners would "ROT IN HELL" while the faithful were in Heaven "rejoicing". I don't think he meant that they'd be "rejoicing BECAUSE sinners were rotting in Hell", but I can certainly see how one could draw that conclusion.
Either way, though, the passion with which the OP presented the notion of sinners "rotting in Hell" is enough to justify the assumption that he enjoys theidea
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@SeedsOfHatred ""certainly see how one could draw that conclusion.""
that is a forced conclusion. that is indicative of the unfounded conclusions of irrational and illogical atheists that base their "facts" on a myriad of assumptions.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or What this simple Christian fails to see, folks, is that I was agreeing with him.
Wake up.
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@MrTYBOW99 True TYBOW. You didnt judge them but declared truth and that equals a warning.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Christ tells you to know why you are a Christian so that you can tell others. If your only reason is fear of hell then you are "not a true Christian" according to your gods "word". Enjoy
TheAnubisDrake 1 month ago
@TheAnubisDrake Where does it say that?
j919or 1 month ago
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@j919or Now we all know for a fact who is evil fighting evil now don't we? Anyone who worships a MATERIAL item is pure evil. ***ATTENTION EVERYONE*** @j919or is an Antitheist TROLLING youtube acting as a Christian only to insite hate torwards us REAL Christians. Plz, I beg you to ignore this evil human being. He trolls atheists to get them to hate other humans that he obviously has not compassion for. He is the LOWEST of all human sludge. He is a snake begging you to eat the apple.
BigDwarren 1 month ago
Don't you hate when you get slapped with the truth in the face and it feels like its still there for hours?
GotZest 1 month ago
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Let Me Disprove Religion
A God is meant to be Feared. Fear is a Dangerous Word. It could mean Respect but is could also mean being Afraid. Afraid as in if you don't do this, Your going to Hell. All Reason, Hope, & Freedom Gone in Holy Fire Forever. The Bible also says we are Born with Sin. What?? So if we Sin, in any way, we're going to Hell. But we can't help it, it's our Nature. So why then Punish 80% of People that you Created, Knew would Sin, & Knew would Never be Fixed or Learn. Bullshit!
ssohood2011 1 month ago
I thought that was you talking to Stone Cold on the t.v.
Jamesuni 1 month ago
Check out the flying table at 3:06.
good2Bgodless 1 month ago