Stopped watching at "dates the world to being at least 15 billion years old."
The world is 4.54 billion years old, the universe is 13.8 billion years old. Clearly this video has no merit if it tries to claim that the Earth is at least 1.2 billion years older than the universe.
That is rationalizing … He would have never come up with these ideas if he weren't influenced by modern knowledge... No one from the past, as much as he tries to “rationalize” what he is reading says the universe is 15 million years old. He is trying to stretch the Torah and the bible to fit modern interpretation of the age of the universe...
@ProudPatriotPapa I propose the only reason you and he see it that way is because you are "bending" the words to have this meaning. These words didn't have this meaning until science discovered it and this is simply a way of making the words relevant to the science.... In a hundred years when more detailed theories are formed in science... I am sure there will be people who will further bend it's words again to make it fit. If you torture the bible long enough you can make it say anything.
@ProudPatriotPapa How so? Religion is static.. that is the words in the bible and related document are not changing. So to gleam new meaning from them you have to, "reinvent" what the words mean. For example, for a very long time many people thought the world was flat... and that the earth was "fixed in the heavens" and "as un-moving as the mountains".. Science discovered that these things are not true... then people had to find in the bible where it "agreed" with the science.
@bryangrossman Just because people frequently misunderstand a text does not make the text wrong,but recognizing a mistake and correcting it is the correct thing to do in both science and religion.Science has had to do this on a regular basis as they learn more,why would this not be true of our understanding of the divine as well?
@ProudPatriotPapa the difference is the science of the future hasn't been written yet. it won't be until it has been discovered. the bible has. if it takes only a little delving into scripture to see that the bible has predicted the age of the universe (and many other selected pieces of science according to other such arguments) it should only take a little extra delving to know science before it ever catches up...
@ProudPatriotPapa Science on the other hand is ever changing, ever refining what we know. Science never even tries to say it has all the answers. Science even admits what may be true now could change tomorrow depending on what new evidence is discovered. So in a way religion is at all times trying to stay relevant trying to "catch up". There is no new "discoveries" to be made in religion only new "understandings" of what the words MIGHT mean. ...
@ProudPatriotPapa Some theists see the ever changing view of science as a fault and make fun of that fact. They don't understand that it's because of that fact that make science great and more "true" than any old text... I'm sorry I do respect you and your steadfast belief... but I could never "obsess" over 2000 year old texts and there relevance to my life. To me they have none.... I would rather look at reality, science give me that.
I get that this guy is very smart... But. I take exception where he says the is not rationalizing the dates. Because well... he is.. He says himself that there are only 31 sentences that describe the creation of the universe in the Torah. That you have to “dig deeper” to understand the true meaning... He starts talking about many different concepts and then tries to ascribe different meanings to those texts. (more)
Stopped watching at "dates the world to being at least 15 billion years old."
The world is 4.54 billion years old, the universe is 13.8 billion years old. Clearly this video has no merit if it tries to claim that the Earth is at least 1.2 billion years older than the universe.
Enjoy your veil of ignorance.
rulz492 1 month ago 2
That is rationalizing … He would have never come up with these ideas if he weren't influenced by modern knowledge... No one from the past, as much as he tries to “rationalize” what he is reading says the universe is 15 million years old. He is trying to stretch the Torah and the bible to fit modern interpretation of the age of the universe...
bryangrossman 4 months ago
@bryangrossman irregardless the pieces fit the scriptures description of creation.
ProudPatriotPapa 4 months ago
@ProudPatriotPapa I propose the only reason you and he see it that way is because you are "bending" the words to have this meaning. These words didn't have this meaning until science discovered it and this is simply a way of making the words relevant to the science.... In a hundred years when more detailed theories are formed in science... I am sure there will be people who will further bend it's words again to make it fit. If you torture the bible long enough you can make it say anything.
bryangrossman 4 months ago
@bryangrossman The same can be said of science
ProudPatriotPapa 4 months ago
@ProudPatriotPapa How so? Religion is static.. that is the words in the bible and related document are not changing. So to gleam new meaning from them you have to, "reinvent" what the words mean. For example, for a very long time many people thought the world was flat... and that the earth was "fixed in the heavens" and "as un-moving as the mountains".. Science discovered that these things are not true... then people had to find in the bible where it "agreed" with the science.
bryangrossman 4 months ago
@bryangrossman Just because people frequently misunderstand a text does not make the text wrong,but recognizing a mistake and correcting it is the correct thing to do in both science and religion.Science has had to do this on a regular basis as they learn more,why would this not be true of our understanding of the divine as well?
ProudPatriotPapa 4 months ago
@ProudPatriotPapa the difference is the science of the future hasn't been written yet. it won't be until it has been discovered. the bible has. if it takes only a little delving into scripture to see that the bible has predicted the age of the universe (and many other selected pieces of science according to other such arguments) it should only take a little extra delving to know science before it ever catches up...
FlashMeterRed 1 month ago
@ProudPatriotPapa Science on the other hand is ever changing, ever refining what we know. Science never even tries to say it has all the answers. Science even admits what may be true now could change tomorrow depending on what new evidence is discovered. So in a way religion is at all times trying to stay relevant trying to "catch up". There is no new "discoveries" to be made in religion only new "understandings" of what the words MIGHT mean. ...
bryangrossman 4 months ago
@ProudPatriotPapa Some theists see the ever changing view of science as a fault and make fun of that fact. They don't understand that it's because of that fact that make science great and more "true" than any old text... I'm sorry I do respect you and your steadfast belief... but I could never "obsess" over 2000 year old texts and there relevance to my life. To me they have none.... I would rather look at reality, science give me that.
bryangrossman 4 months ago
I get that this guy is very smart... But. I take exception where he says the is not rationalizing the dates. Because well... he is.. He says himself that there are only 31 sentences that describe the creation of the universe in the Torah. That you have to “dig deeper” to understand the true meaning... He starts talking about many different concepts and then tries to ascribe different meanings to those texts. (more)
bryangrossman 4 months ago