Baden was a sellout. Dr. Cyril Wecht was the ONLY forensic pathologist to dispute the autopsy findings, he is still being persecuted for that today. My God, you can see interviews with the actual Dallas doctors right here on youtube. They all say the same thing, huge gaping hole in the right REAR of the President's head indicating a shot from the front. Brain matter went out the BACK, hitting people even the motorcycle cop. Baden LIES.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 They don't "all" say the same thing. There were doctors and other personnel at Dallas who said the wound was where the WC said it was. They don't count? Since JFK was on his back, how could a rear head wound be seen in the first place? Most saw JFK ONLY in the operating theatre. Further, Wecht, while disputing the findings AGREES there was NO rear exit wound, only an entry wound, and an exit wound as the WC described.
@1239jer That is absolute propaganda and you know it. All the ER doctors not only said it was a gaping right rear exit wound, they drew pictures of it. Dr. Wecht has Never wavered on his findings whatsoever. My God you think they didn't turn the man over and see what his actual wounds were because he was on his back??? That is ludicrous. This was a trauma center! Go to the actual WC records and look up the testimony of Jane Carolyn Wester and then come tell me that bunk.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 TBA - you are entitled to your own opinion; you are not entitled to your own facts. "All the ER doctors... gaping right rear head wound." Bullshit. Here are five Parkland doctors who described wounds in line with the WC conclusions: Dr Charles Baxter; Dr Adolph Giesecke; Dr Marion Jenkins; Dr Kenneth Salyer; Dr Robert Grossman (though his testimony is suspect). Most of the doctors there were interns or residents. NONE were pathologists.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 Further, since they were not pathologists, they didn't know what they were looking at, as some mentioned already later admitted. They mistook crenelated cerebrum tissue as cerebellum tissue, a main reason for the confusion.
"My God... didn't turn over..." Virtually all the personnel only saw JFK while on his back and had left when his body was put into the coffin. They knew he was dead. They did what they could. Others would do the autopsy.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 "Dr Wecht has never wavered..." Yes. From the earl 70s, he has stated, unequivocally, that there was a rear entry wound to the head and to the back and said there is NO rear exit wound. He DOES believe there were multiple gunmen. He has vacillated on other possible wounds - a simultaneous wound to the head by a shattering bullet from the front, but he concedes there is no medical evidence for this.
@1239jer You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. The Dallas doctors NEVER wavered from their original findings. There was also an RN that saw everything and has gone on record, she says the same thing the doctors do. Stop trying to revise history to meet a political agenda.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 TBA - Is it a "fact" or is it not a fact that "all" Dallas doctors saw a rear exit wound? I listed FIVE doctors who said "no," so it is not a fact. Search the names. Did the Dallas doctors "NEVER" waver from their position? Some in fact did - some in that list, which is the basis for the CTs rejection of their later clarification of what they saw.
Agenda? I am Canadian! I don't give a damn if the government was behind it or not!
@TakeBackAmerica2012 The bottom line here is: a) some Dallas doctors in fact DID see head wounds as the WC described them; b) ALL the forensic pathologists (included Wecht), with 100,000+ autopsies amongst themselves were unequivocal - two rear entry wounds, one to the back, one to the head, a throat exit wound, a the right front side of the head blown out. Wecht has ALWAYS (since seeing the photos and x-rays in, I think, 1972) agreed with this, though he thought other bullets may have struck.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 Why do the CTs focus on the Dallas doctors? Because they know the pathologists, the photos and the x-rays tell a different story. THEY have an agenda - to sow doubt about the US government, to sell books. I bought the line for 20+ years, until I actually looking closer at the line they promoted. I don't doubt your sincerity (even if you question mine), but I hope some day you look at ALL the evidence and reach the same epiphany I did.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 "Deemed to be doctored"? There were concluded to be authentic by the HSCA. They concluded a) the x-rays and photos were not doctored, b) the person in the photos is JFK. Then the forensic pathologists concluded the wounds were consistent with the autopsy testimony from the WC, save for the precise location of the rear entry head wound.
Those who claim the photos were "doctored" a) haven't had access to the originals, and/or b) have no expertise in this field.
jfk's head was rotated left, neck/head flexed and some left latral flexion...somebody needs to explain the geometry of how a shot from the right-front can cause jfk's head wound without taking out jfk's LEFT side of his skull
not saying its all LHO from TSBD but baden looks like the shecky green of forensic pathology to me
The director of this video put it up on youtube, not me, and we both agree it 's best to let people have their say. Sometimes I look in and add a point or two. But I mostly let it slide. Heck, someone using the name VinnyDickWad is trying to lecture me on credibility. Whatever...
Sounds to me like they have you right where they want you. A pawn led by the nose by the secret government. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have mine. Thanks Richard for the input.
The only autopsy performed on Kennedy was performed by the military. Dr.s Humes and Boswell were Navy Pathologists, and Dr. Finck was a Forensic Pathologist working for the Army. The autopsy was held at Bethesda Naval Hospital.
J Edgar Hoover (FBI) lied about Oswald, rifles, Ruby, bullets, everything.
Video: 9fqMA9YV3ks
On video 9fqMA9YV3ks Hoover is sitting in drag with his friends, and is certainly wearing a female’s hair bun and earrings, at 2:40 - 2:50. The CIA & mafia had pictures of this perv with young men & boys, and owned this piece of shit. Hoover was involved in other felony crimes. This lying felon supplied all the phony documents & altered pictures to frame Oswald & cover up the JFK conspiracy murderers.
Every bit of this video is factual. It is built entirely on the historical record. That some think it is bs only goes to show how ill-informed some are of the historical record.
Think outside the box. Don't listen to Bugliosi because he prosecuted Charles Manson. Look into how he believed Bobby Kennedy was a victim of an assassination and how he went to court on it and was denied access to the evidence by our Government. Bug still wipes his butt with toilet paper, just like the rest of us.
Keep digging, slowly but surely it will emerge if we the PEOPLE keep asking and searching. Don't let them get away with robbery.
@karenlynn533 Well the CONspiracy has everyone everbody loves to hate as the killer of JFK. 'THEY' got you right were 'THEY' want you. Receptivity to logic and reason diminishes drastically when one confronts enemys v opponents.
How can a throat wound come out smaller, so small that they did a trachotomey over it because they though it was an entrance wound. Thanks for sharing this video with me. Where are all the real xrays and pictures that were taken at the autopsy. Where is his brain? Don't tell me, the Kenendy family took it, because they wanted it kept secret. Bullshit!
Dr. Humes even ahd to call the doctors at Parkland and ask if they did a tracheotomy?
@karenlynn533 "How can a throat wound come out smaller, so small that they did a trachotomey over it because they though it was an entrance wound"
Perhaps by experimentation like Dr. Lattimer did, he proved that supported (JFK's shirt & tie) exit wounds can be as small or smaller than entrance wounds.
I am sick of being told how to think feel and act, just because they said it was that way. If we think outside the box, we are idiots or conspiracy buffs.
America has bad men and organizations, just as we accuse other countries of doing, we do it too. Just because this is America doesn't mean everything pristine, like the bullet that made five wounds and came out almost whole. You but into that lie. Call me what you want, I don't give a rats ass.
@ 8.04 isn't the photo of the skull a blow up. If not, where is the huge hole in the pic of the back of JFK's head? This vid isn't very explanatory to layman peeps like myself, it just looks like more supposition.
I've been reading Pats blog, and the education forums JFK assassination boards.
I wish these guys would pool all their resources into one collective video compilation. It is important that alot of new stuff uncovered by these guys should be brought to light.
Stan, the photo with the intact scalp was taken near the beginning of the autopsy. The photo with the scalp peeled back was taken awhile later. The doctors acknowledged that, as the scalp was peeled back, broken pieces of bone fell to the table. And that the defect on the bone stretched from the far back of the head to the forehead. This is supported by the X-rays. I discuss the possibility these were faked in chapter 18c of my webpage.
Read the first reports of the assassination and what the doctors at Parkland memorial saw when he was brought there. There is also the harper fragment that was found near the sight where he was shot. It is part of the occipital bone which is in the back of the head. Look at frame 313 to 315 of the AZ filming and you will see that the hair in the back has lifted.
According to witnesses at the autopsy there was a huge hole in the rear of the head and the brain was gone.
I'll tell ya what I am real tired of. I am tired of being called an idiot because I don't swallow every thing that the Government tells me or what the Newspapers broadcast. I research and gather my own thoughts instead of buying into Black Ops bullshit.
Btw; I love America, the soldiers who fought our wars and the honest individuals who believed in the Constitution and honored it. I don't give a damn about the mighty dollar bill or how much power we have.
There is a problem with the color photos of the limo in the Washington DC garage. The rear seat shows a RED blood smear.
That is a huge oxidation problem.
In this universe, over the time frame from the Elm St conspiracy murder to the limo in the garage pictures, the blood cannot still be RED. But it is. A RED LIE is smeared over previous dried DARK blood stains on the seat.
Those dark blood stains were not there before Dallas. They added evidence to hinder any investigation.
LOL he cites Groden? This clown testified, and was impeached, regarding photo evidence at OJ's trial, and his background was exposed. He hadn't taken any course, attended any school, or had any formal training in analyzing photos. His credibility was further impeached when he admitted to selling purloined JFK autopsy photos to the tabloid The Globe, which he first denied.
Only once prior had he ever been paid to establish the authenticity of a photo - an apparition at a voodoo ceremony.
Wrong. No one cites Groden. I mention that Groden presents the photo in a certain interpretation, and then point out that the official interpretation is different than Groden's. I then demonstrate why we should believe Groden, Lifton, AND the original inventory signed by the autopsy doctors, radiologist, and photographer, were right on this issue.
Besides...LN heroes like Lattimer, Myers and McAdams are every bit as wacky as Groden at his wackiest.
@PatSpeer "Lattimer, Myers and McAdams are every bit as wacky as Groden"
They also have the decided advantage of telling the truth, dismissing the welter of silly conspiracy theory's ....
"On a sinister level conspiracy mongering is a vicious intrument of defamation & comes from the imagination of hate. With malicious gullibility there is no end"
@PatSpeer "Lattimer, Myers / McAdams are every bit as wacky as Groden" They also have the decided advantage of telling the truth, dismissing the welter of silly conspiracy theory's ...."On a sinister level conspiracy mongering is a vicious intrument of defamation & comes from the imagination of hate. With malicious gullibility there is no end"
They also have the decided advantage of telling the truth, dismissing the welter of silly conspiracy theory's ...."On a sinister level conspiracy mongering is a vicious intrument of defamation & comes from the imagination of hate.
cobrafarmer : Bugliosi's book suffers from its persistent inclusion of Oswald in hypothetical conspiracies
If being realistic is suffereing that he does . There's no evidence against any othe human being on Earth , so Oswald remains at the center of the crime and a river of tears by you isn't going to change that .
I'm sure we would of heard something from Lee Bowers in the RR tower if someone had shot from his side of the grassy knoll fence . Alas all bystandards he saw were on the Dealey Plaza side of the picket fence .
@cdddraftsman Read The Assassination of Robert Kennedy where Bugliosi believes with all his heart that there were eleven bulletts fired at the hotel that night. He even said that Johns murder lead to Bobbys.
@karenlynn533 "Read The Assassination of RFK" Advance shill stuff to repair his reputation that he knew would be in the conspiracy trash dumpster for advocating a lone gunman thesis in JFK's death. No biggee, he even appeased the 'kook'de'atat' mobcrowd when he presented evidence for GWB's impeachment. Congress was polite but said "No thanks Vinny" stick to the 20 yr. effort stuff, sounds believable. Here's a Kookie go away.
this totally indicates to me that there was perhaps 2 shots impacting simultaneously on JFK's head. Im no forensic pathologist but i was in the army 10 years and have seen a fair amount of gunshot wounds. Still it seems pretty incredible that a man like Michael Baden could make such a glaring error unless there is something more to his "mistake"
Bugliosi says that someone would have talked. Indeed, many people did talk, and others died violent deaths on the eve of talking. VB attempts to discredit some of these; easier without a defense attorney and jury. Regardless, they're examples of exactly what VB said would happen--people talked.
The official report of a 7.5 Mauser in the "snipers nest," inconsistencies in Tippet's murder reports and timeline, witnesses who heard shots from the knoll, all would sink Bugliosi in court.
Bugliosi's book suffers from its persistent inclusion of Oswald in hypothetical conspiracies. He contends that the CIA would never recruit Oswald because he was an unstable loner.
Aside from the fact that the loner myth has been challenged, this is unsound reasoning because 1) many CIA's members are unknown to the public and their stability can't be assessed, 2) if Oswald was a patsy, he'd only need enough stability to be set up to take the blame.
Pat, I read your little article about Mr. Bugliosi's book and I found that basically you are a total moron. You didn't come up with any evidence to dissprove the Warren Commision or Mr. Bugliosli's findings. So crawl back to grandma's basement until you come up with any real evidence, and please stop muddying up John Kennedy's legacy like the rest of these "conspiracy Theorists".
Mr. Moto, you did not read my "little" article. If you did you'd have seen that it was not "little" at all, but overly detailed and extremely long. You'd also have seen that in it I made no efforts to "disprove" the Warren Commission's and Bugliosi's findings, which you ignorantly assume are the same. Instead, I presented Bugliosi's witnesses, and Buglosi's citations, to show that he is not the honest reporter he claims to be, but a propagandist out to deceive his readers.
There is overwhelming evidence that flies in the face of Bugliosi's assertions. I don't have to cite the evidence. Many of us have seen it. It's in the open. The Warren Commission is as effective as the 911 commission. Talk about muddying up the waters. Time for you to wake up MOTO~
This is a mockumentary there is no conspiracy no "mysterious death" why don't you come out of your grandmother's basement and face the truth. Read Vincent Bugliosi's book but I know most you diehard theorist won believe it even though with a little common sense you realize that there is no conspiracy.
Mr. Moto, you should learn how to google. If you did you would see that there are articles and essays by myself on Bugliosi's book, and that I demonstrate quite clearly he is a serial mis-representer of evidence, and not to be relied upon. You might start with my article entitled "Vincent Bugliosi is the Real Oliver Stone".
well done pat speer this is a good documentary . i find it very suspect that the secret service would not let the parkland doctors proceed with the autopsy . reason being of course that the most important piece of evidence that a court of law would use was the autopsy notes. There was no way they were gonna let the real truth out so they had to fabricate the autopsy in order for there story to ever have any credit.
LBJ,Rrichard Nixon, J Edgar Hoover, (FBI) Allen Dulles and George Bush Sr. (CIA) Mafia of USA and Italy, Texas business tycoons - all were in collusion in the assassination of JFK. (also Martin Luther King and RFK later on by most of the above). How they killed JFK? By hiring contract killers from France and Malcolm Wallace. Oswald was just a patsy to be later on killed by Jack Ruby a close associate of LBJ and the mafia. The fault of JFK was to undermine these powerful enemies and go to Texas.
Bullets don't travel as straight as a string after they hit bone. The back/lower neck shot DEFINATELY hit a vertebra/ rib, deflected upward and could have easily exited out his throat. The ER MD even said there was a bullet exit wound he cut into to perform a tracheotomy.
WHEN BULLETS HIT BONE THEY DO NOT TRAVEL IN A STRING-LIKE STRAIGHT LINE!! NEVER! Those that say since the entrance wound is lower than the exit wound, therefore the bullet couldn't have come from the snipers nest are WRONG
Joe, you're missing something. First of all, the autopsy doctors said the bullet descended in the body and that no bone was hit in the neck. They needed to say this because the sniper's nest was above Kennedy and the NOSE of the magic bullet was unblemished. Only later did the gov.t's experts acknowledge the spine was damaged, and that the bullet ascended the neck. But an upwards deflection would have missed Connally. So they pretended JFK was leaning forward, even though they knew he was not.
Even if we assume you are correct, that the throat wound is higher than the back wound because it deflected upward from a rib, how did it go back down when outside the President in order to strike the Governor below the armpit?
Think about it, and think about who is really wrong.
Bullets don't travel as straight as a string after they hit bone. The back/lower neck shot DEFINATELY hit a vertebra or rib, deflected upward and could have easily exited out his throat. The ER MD even said there was a bullet exit wound he cut into to perform a tracheotomy.
WHEN BULLETS HIT BONE THEY DO NOT TRAVEL IN A STRING-LIKE STRAIGHT LINE!! NEVER! Those that say since the entrance wound is lower than the exit wound, therefore the bullet couldn't have come from the snipers nest are WRONG
rober kenedy said he stoo by the warren commission because he knew if h said h woul do anything different then he too could be murdered, he knew the power of the people behind the murder (with over 200 people being murdered since the assasination) and he knew if he gave those people cause for concern he too would be stopped in his tracks
At a speech at a California college, during his presidential campaign, when asked if he promised to reopen the investigation into his brothers death by reopening the WC archives , he said ? :
"I stand by the Warren Commission Report"
Senator Robert F. Kennedy
Wonder how Pat Speer missed these on his quack committee ?
"There were things that should have been done differently. There were mistakes made. But I know of no facts that have been brought to light which would call for a reassessment of the conclusion.
I'm fundamentally satisfied with the findings of the Warren Commission Report."
Teddy wasn't in Dallas and had relatively few dealings with Johnson, Hoover, the Pentagon and the CIA, in comparison to Bobby. He just didn't know. Read Sorensen's book for a more informed answer.
Read Brothers by David Talbot and you will get the whole story on RFK and his attitudes to his brothers' death. RFK never read the Warren Report... and most certainly did not believe it.
Amen I should add that at autopsy another bullet was found & given to fbi agents siebert & o`neal the files that prove this were released in the 90`s so if oswald only fired 3 shots where did this bullet come from? answer a second gun.
Now you know why Ed Koch removed Baden from his ME position in NYC.
Weisberg told Baden about the shennigans with the president's neck tie (no bullet, according to FBI testing, went through it), Baden acknowledged this to Weisberg, then just ignored it in his report.
LOL that guy is obviously bullshitting, trying to look as though he's sure of himself. He is constantly implying that 2 + 2 = 5.
"when bullet hits flat bone, as in skull, the bone breaks in direction to which bullet is going"
As spectre0075 said, case closed. Boden literally just said th equivalent of "oh yeah, the bone fragments went in the same direction as the bullet. The bone fragments went back, so the bullet obviously came from the back, out the *front*" WTF?????
Hmmmm....you do know that I was replying to the retarded debunker in the video, and not the video itself? I'm not sure what you thought, but my comment was a little unclear, so I was just clarifying: I definitely think the debunkers are either misinformed or stupid. I do see good evidence of conspiracy.
Noooo...I don't think I am. You know, this kind of internet flaming doesn't work on well-adjusted people. Of course, I'm not saying that it is absolutely, 100% certain that JFK was killed by conspiracy, I'm just saying that as far as evidence goes, it's by far the most likely cause, and if he really was killed by Oswald, I demand that a great number of preeettty damn big logic holes get explained before I believe it.
No offense to you - I just think that debunkers haven't seen all the facts.
JFK had BROWN HAIR and WIDE EVEN-CUT SIDEBURNS throughout his presidency. See JFKs hair on videos ?v=xE0iPY7XGBo (his inauguration) and ?v=Mt1Dm0Od0lA (his death day-freeze film at 1:23).
**Then web page: 'because he looked like kennedy' **
JD Tippit (the JFK cop look-a-like) had BLACK HAIR and NARROW SLANT UPPER-CUT SIDEBURNS. See Tippits BLACK HAIR and NARROW SLANT UPPER-CUT SIDEBURNS on the morgue table that the govt labeled 'JFK Autopsy'.
The Doctors at Parkland Hospital who saw President Kennedy's injurioes with their OWN eyes, indicated--at the time--that Kennedy was struck by a bullet that entered the Presidents RIGHT FRONT temple. How could these Doctors possibly get this wrong? the people who assassinated President Kennedy don't want you to know what REALLY happened. Sadly, they are getting away with it.
You can blow a 'Fireball' of 'Wet Tarded Black Farts' out your conspiracy butthole and stain GinnyDaGoonBa's face at the same time by Googling :
GinnyDaGoonBa On YouTube :
You can witness the entire collection of rips , defeats and total collapse of his left wing commybaited world view upon his empty olive oil grease filled conspiratarded cranium !
The Single Bullet Myth is a fraud based upon drawings and conjecture, not X-Rays, photos, or the FBI's report. Arlen Specter is confronted with the facts here...
watch?v=aS3zrdkoCdY
No SBT, no Lone Nut gunman. Ooops!
Dale Myers bullshit propoganda cartoon is as valid for scientific evidence as Elmer Fudd is valid for rabbit hunting, and Popeye is for the health benefits of spinach. He is exposed as the lying coward he is here:
The entire bandwidth of YouTube could be filled with the boldfaced lies and disinformation the degenerate piece of shit cddraftsman has been caught in. That said, now the whole world is having a good belly laugh at what a pathetic bigot and sociopath he is. IT'S OFFICIAL!
google "tom lowery jfk"
Watch:
watch?v=0GDHJGW5o9U
The "YouTube Officials" (aka: HIS) attempt to censor this HAS FAILED. How does that shitburger taste Cap'n kielbasa cockmunch? Bon appetite!
LHO would have been convicted because he had been already tried and convicted by the media of the nation.
FACT- LHO tested negative for powder burns as to having fired a rifle that day
FACT- Rifle was sent to the FBI- The FBI finds no evidence. Rifle gets sent back to Dallas- officer suddenly finds a palm print on the rifle. (LHO's body is in the DPD morgue at the time-convenient)
FACT- Police first on scene ID the rifle as being a MAUSER. (two Texans cant ID a rifle?)
"LHO would have been convicted because he had been already tried & convicted by the media of the nation"
Thanks for reconfirming that the case against LHO was overwhelming :-) LHO didn't try to hide the fact that he killed JFK , that was to be his ticket into Cuba .
What's the purpose of hiding this fact if u go to the Cuban Consulate w/no evidence that u disposed of JFK ? His efforts would of been worthless .
You missed the whole point of the assassn. .... congratulations !
"FACTOID- LHO tested negative for powder burns as to having fired a rifle that day"
As far back as the mid 30's the FBI sent out warnings to all law enforcement agencies to discontinue pariffin testing because of it's unrealiability . Dallas PD used it as a intimidation method to get suspects to confess that they already knew were guilty by additional suites of evidence they had in their possession .
"FACTOID - Police 1st on scene ID the rifle as being a MAUSER?"
Mauser is a generic term used to identify bolt action rifles of a certain time period . It's used similar to 'Dreadnaught'* was used to identify all battleships .
Maybe you ougth to read a decent history book once in awhile instead of getting your false history out of conspiracy literature ?
*HMS Dreadnaught being the 1st all 'Big Gun' battleship .
"& yes u can make prints on weapons using a dead hand."
The prints recovered from LHO's MC rifle were latent prints caused by a thin film of excreted sweat or grease or put it into any terms you like , they weren't inked prints . Dead people have to have inked prints .
LHO denied he killed the President and Tippit right up til the day he was shot.. try reviewing some facts before you break your arm patting yourself on the back.
what about the 5 doctors from parkland hospital,they all said the same thing as did many others,all you need for a conspiricy is right thier,these guys were the first to see jfk,they are doctors,they saw the damage done by the shots from the front,thier were at least 3 teams of snipers out thier that day,as many as 13 shots were fired,this was overkill,lbj and richard nixon wanted him dead with a vengence,many insiders were involved,the experts in all fields have spoken,jfk was assasinated.
"JFK was the bump on the road to the Bush Dynasty/Legacy"
One of 10,000 useless theory's . LBJ was accused of murdering JFK because of his unpopular VN War . GWB's father is accused because of his son's unpopular Iraq War . I wish you clowns of conspiracy would be less obvious in your transhistorical flights of fancy .
JFK was the bump on the road to the Bush Dynasty/Legacy. Prescott and the Dulles' made their money with the Nazis and then got to Ike with RMN as vp. When Joe Kennedy "bought" the election for JFK, they vowed to get even and never make that mistake again (Florida and Ohio anyone?) JFK bucked their trend and he paid for it with his life. Then we got the parade of GHW Bush and his supporters as they pillaged and raped the country with their CIA drug money and banking rip-offs (Silverado S&L.)
Correct or they wouldn't get their books published , you've coroborated my point . >.CDD
Another c&p job to take my words out of context. Again, my full quote was a summary of YOUR position (not mine) on how historians and publishers deal with JFK's legacy.
cd did i read that right?, your now a CT'ER?LOL..you believe a communist conspiracy was possible?what would be your theory?I CANT BELIEVE MY EYES!!!!!LMAO!!!!!!!!
Your point was Nixon turned the Soviets and Chinese against each other, but the fact was they'd already been building up against each other pre-Nixon. Nixon does deserve foreign policy points for his visits to both countries in '72 countries. If you want to highly rank a conservative president, I'd choose Reagan, whose defense buildup helped push the Soviets to collapse.
In the Summer of 1963, the US had 200 Atlas, Titan and Minuteman missiles, over 100 Polaris missiles and about 1700 nuclear bombers. Russia had about 50 ICBM's and 200 long-range bombers. Our megatonnage was 10 to 1.
JFK decided to give away our advantage, hold back our nuclear forces and allow the Russians to catch up on the theory that this would create an equal balance of terror and work for world peace. Kennedy's idea, which turned out to be false, was that if the Soviets caught up that they would then stop their military buildup. This was probably the single most dangerous mistake Kennedy made.
This alone would make one wonder if the Soviets hit JFK because 'He was about to turn American' ?
'' he asked McNamara about an attractive pentagon secretary''
And this compared to the male hookers who were given.. ha ''midnight tours'' of the WH under the regan/bush administration..eh?Of course the media aired this briefly then (poof) GONE!LOL
Dean Acheson one of JFK's top advisors, observed that JFK "did not have incisiveness & he was out of his depth where he was , his reputation is greater because of the tragedy of his death than it would have been if he had lived out two terms...he did not seem to me to be in any sense a great man. I did not think that he knew a great deal about any of the matters which it is desirable that a Chief of State or a President of the United States should know about. He was not decisive."
To quote from Professor Thomas Reeves, "During the Thousand Days, Kennedy arrogantly and irresponsibly violated his covenant with the people. While saying and doing the appropriate things in the public light, he acted covertly in ways that seriously demeaned himself and his office."
With the appointment of his brother as attorney general, he tried to found a political dynasty, abhorred by the Founding Fathers. "The metaphor of Camelot, after all, is ultimately un-American and undemocratic, conjuring up images of crowns and dashing young princes and noble birth."
When in fact JFK was a womanizer , a leecher and a wannabe playboy king of Cameltwat !
The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh, Little Brown. 1997, defines JFK as a lout, a cad, a boor, an oaf, a schemer, a liar, a blackmailer and a reckless gambler with the nation's security, its integrity and its institutions. Kennedy was a man thoroughly out of control, thoroughly out of his depth, and maybe thoroughly out of his mind.
Let's see.....the last political leader that was a saint....uh...no not him....ummmm nope not her either....well looks like you are shit out of luck in castigating one as worse than the rest....lol. Pathetic.
Note to Earth: men like Acheson, Eisenhower, and Nixon saw Kennedy's willingness to consider different viewpoints a weakness. Could this be...professional jealousy?. Those who knew him best saw it as a great strength. Historians who've studied the Cuban Missile tapes have universally said that Kennedy was the smartest man in the room, and in total command of his office. And draftsman, you're a phony,if you'd been JFK you'd have drilled every woman you could, and you know it.
There have always been tensions . The gauge of their rairoad tracks change when you leave/enter China/Mongilia and that goes back to the early 1920's . That's not the point , we were talking about aiming stategic missliles at each other and the movement of Soviet Divisions to the Chinese Boarder after Nixon worked his Miracles !
basboll : "every history book and survey supporting JFK was a conspiracy of historians"
Finally something we agree upon >>CDD
Nice C & P to take my words out of context. I was summarizing your view that historians books and survey answers reflect a pro-JFK bias, a conspiracy theory that's ironic for and LN.
"you don't have to serve time for this crime" card .
Nixon was never convicted of any crime . Why Ford pardened him in reality he took to his grave (Probably did it in a moment of guilt for taking over the job of the greatest president of all times . If they had pursued him after he left the WH Nixon was such a good lawyer he would of ripped the prosecution to shreds , that's why no one pursued the issue afterwards . This is common knowledge you won't find in your Alumi-Naughty press kit .
Now if I may continue w/out any further futile attempts to rewrite history with a decidedly left leaning stance :
Cuban Missile Crisis cont'd :
On October 22, 1963, JFK wrote his staff in a hand-written note "Is there a plan to brief and brainwash key press within 12 hours or so?" By being dishonest with the American people, JFK gave the Soviets, who had the facts, the power to destroy his Presidency and thereby unduly influence him. Also the timing was dishonest, he had known the
missiles since August 22 when informed by CIA Director McCone. He announced it on October 22nd to influence Congressional elections in favor of Democrats - the classic "October surprise." There is evidence that the Russians never removed their missiles, but at best the end result - status quo ante minus US missiles in Turkey - was clearly worse for the US. JFK's handling of the crisis to the point of our nuclear annihilation was the most irresponsible act of any president in history of the US .
You really know how to roll out the garbage, draftsman. If the nukes weren't removed from Cuba, where are they? Get a map and show us where they are. You might as well say that Reagan was a communist spy, and that his deal with Gorbachev to cut down our arsenal was a commie plot. BTW, I love your bit on the Alumi-naughty. Clearly, you're as wacky as the wackiest. Only you think the BIG conspiracy was to get Nixon!!! Priceless.
JFK ordered the CIA (100 million dollar Operation Mongoose) to sabotage the Cuban economy and assassinate Fidel Castro, showing an irresponsibility and lack of judgment bordering on dereliction. The CIA offered a 150,000 dollar open contract on Castro. Samuel Halpern, the CIA executive in charge of Task Force W whose sole purpose was to assassinate Castro, wrote that "the Kennedys were obsessed about wanting Castro dead "for personal reasons"
because the family name was besmirched by the Bay of Pigs." Even up to his death, JFK was directing an effort to manufacture pretexts to invade Cuba. These efforts may have precipitated the Cuban missile crises. November 1, 1963 JFK instigated a plot to overthrow and kill South Vietnam's Premiere Diem. JFK played politics with American lives in Vietnam, he put his election ahead of American lives.
lol,haha yeah because ford saved his ass,if nixon was questioned under oath about watergate he might spill the beans about hunt and bush sr.'s involvement in the murder of jfk.Ford makes bush sr. head of the cia..(gasps)wouldnt you know right when the hsca was getting colby to cooperate.
and neither was oswald,you hypocritical,slandering scumbag.
''nixon was such a good lawyer he would have ripped the prosecution to shreds''
LMAO,this guy is hilarious,HAHAHA yeah ted bundy,and that black guy on the NY subways thought the same thing.I wouldnt put it past tricky dick,he to was a meglamaniacal evil piece of plankton.
"or writer who has stated Nixon was the best president of all time">>Basboll
I've repeatedly said it which is about the best around and you would know that if you went to a forum like aaj or acj were the opposition runs terrified when I post . >>CDD
Another nonanswer. But would even your guru Mccadams call Nixon the greatest president? And if dealing with communists is how you rateyour presidents, instead of Nixon you'd do better w/Reagan for plausibly helping bring down the Soviets.
basboll : "every history book and survey supporting JFK was a conspiracy of historians"
Finally something we agree upon . Also they wouldn't get any books published if they said anything detrimental about that phony war hero , phony president and his phony family that we're little more than Irish Mobsters in tux's .
"China had to go at it w/o the Russians in developing nukes and didn't accomplish it until '64"
I see you try to get caught up by quickly reading wiki sources that are oft times mistaken . Many Soviet arms were smuggled to NV through China up until 1975 . Hiphong Harbor (sic)was mucj too small for the demands that the NV had .
I'm going to start charging you for getting a proper education for free from me . >>
You should be charging me for the free online comedy act; you're better than most standup comics. Imagine the yuk-yuks in the audience when you make statements like:
1. Hey, you heard the one about Nixon being the greatest president? (audience laughter)
2. I'm a Lone Nut supporter, so that means every history book and survey supporting JFK was a conspiracy of historians and publishers! (audience laughter)
"Mao and Khruschev taunted each other in the 50's and diplomacy broke down in the 60's">.basboll
Bullshit they worked closely together and thats how the Chinese were able to develope their nuclear program . >.CDD
That's true intially under the New Defense Technical Accord on '57, but because of the Sino-Soviet split, the Russians cancelled out on the deal in 1960. China had to go at it w/o the Russians in developing nukes and didn't accomplish it until '64.
If you knew anything about nuclear weaponry that doctrine of MAD... >>
Yes, especially if the two sides lining the nukes at each other on the border make an error and you get failsafe=unintended mushroom clouds. It's ironic that you of all people bring up MAD when you wanted to arm the SV with nukes so they "duke it out" with the NV.
BTW, how was Nixon "working his magic" by supposedly causing two super powers to line nukes up at each other? Would a nuke war between them have been Nixon's rabbit out of the hat? But then again, you thought we should have armed the SV with nukes to use on the NV...how could I forget yuor passion for nukes?
You're putting the cart before the horse, Draftsman. Nixon's strategy to deal both countries was because of the already existing tensions that had existed before his term.
They weren't targeting missiles at each other until Nixon worked his magic>>
Draftsman, the Chinese and Soviets weren't two happy communist peas in a pod before Nixon. Mao and Khruschev taunted each other in the 50's and diplomacy broke down in the 60's. The Soviets invaded in the Checks in '68 under the Brezhniv Doctrine, and China feared it was next. When the border clashes of early '69 occured, there'd been military buildups for years before Nixon was pres.
government is corrupt, that's a fact.
MetaIhead89 2 months ago
The Doctors at Parkland Hospital were the leading experts on gunshot wounds in the country at that time.
astranine 3 months ago
Baden was a sellout. Dr. Cyril Wecht was the ONLY forensic pathologist to dispute the autopsy findings, he is still being persecuted for that today. My God, you can see interviews with the actual Dallas doctors right here on youtube. They all say the same thing, huge gaping hole in the right REAR of the President's head indicating a shot from the front. Brain matter went out the BACK, hitting people even the motorcycle cop. Baden LIES.
TakeBackAmerica2012 5 months ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 They don't "all" say the same thing. There were doctors and other personnel at Dallas who said the wound was where the WC said it was. They don't count? Since JFK was on his back, how could a rear head wound be seen in the first place? Most saw JFK ONLY in the operating theatre. Further, Wecht, while disputing the findings AGREES there was NO rear exit wound, only an entry wound, and an exit wound as the WC described.
1239jer 5 months ago
@1239jer That is absolute propaganda and you know it. All the ER doctors not only said it was a gaping right rear exit wound, they drew pictures of it. Dr. Wecht has Never wavered on his findings whatsoever. My God you think they didn't turn the man over and see what his actual wounds were because he was on his back??? That is ludicrous. This was a trauma center! Go to the actual WC records and look up the testimony of Jane Carolyn Wester and then come tell me that bunk.
TakeBackAmerica2012 5 months ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 TBA - you are entitled to your own opinion; you are not entitled to your own facts. "All the ER doctors... gaping right rear head wound." Bullshit. Here are five Parkland doctors who described wounds in line with the WC conclusions: Dr Charles Baxter; Dr Adolph Giesecke; Dr Marion Jenkins; Dr Kenneth Salyer; Dr Robert Grossman (though his testimony is suspect). Most of the doctors there were interns or residents. NONE were pathologists.
1239jer 5 months ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 Further, since they were not pathologists, they didn't know what they were looking at, as some mentioned already later admitted. They mistook crenelated cerebrum tissue as cerebellum tissue, a main reason for the confusion.
"My God... didn't turn over..." Virtually all the personnel only saw JFK while on his back and had left when his body was put into the coffin. They knew he was dead. They did what they could. Others would do the autopsy.
1239jer 5 months ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 "Dr Wecht has never wavered..." Yes. From the earl 70s, he has stated, unequivocally, that there was a rear entry wound to the head and to the back and said there is NO rear exit wound. He DOES believe there were multiple gunmen. He has vacillated on other possible wounds - a simultaneous wound to the head by a shattering bullet from the front, but he concedes there is no medical evidence for this.
1239jer 5 months ago
@1239jer You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. The Dallas doctors NEVER wavered from their original findings. There was also an RN that saw everything and has gone on record, she says the same thing the doctors do. Stop trying to revise history to meet a political agenda.
TakeBackAmerica2012 5 months ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 TBA - Is it a "fact" or is it not a fact that "all" Dallas doctors saw a rear exit wound? I listed FIVE doctors who said "no," so it is not a fact. Search the names. Did the Dallas doctors "NEVER" waver from their position? Some in fact did - some in that list, which is the basis for the CTs rejection of their later clarification of what they saw.
Agenda? I am Canadian! I don't give a damn if the government was behind it or not!
1239jer 5 months ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 The bottom line here is: a) some Dallas doctors in fact DID see head wounds as the WC described them; b) ALL the forensic pathologists (included Wecht), with 100,000+ autopsies amongst themselves were unequivocal - two rear entry wounds, one to the back, one to the head, a throat exit wound, a the right front side of the head blown out. Wecht has ALWAYS (since seeing the photos and x-rays in, I think, 1972) agreed with this, though he thought other bullets may have struck.
1239jer 5 months ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 Why do the CTs focus on the Dallas doctors? Because they know the pathologists, the photos and the x-rays tell a different story. THEY have an agenda - to sow doubt about the US government, to sell books. I bought the line for 20+ years, until I actually looking closer at the line they promoted. I don't doubt your sincerity (even if you question mine), but I hope some day you look at ALL the evidence and reach the same epiphany I did.
1239jer 5 months ago
@1239jer The autopsy photos that were in the national archives were deemed to be doctored! Look it up!
And they were not doctored in favor of a right rear head wound, they were doctored to prop up the Warren Commission.
TakeBackAmerica2012 5 months ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 "Deemed to be doctored"? There were concluded to be authentic by the HSCA. They concluded a) the x-rays and photos were not doctored, b) the person in the photos is JFK. Then the forensic pathologists concluded the wounds were consistent with the autopsy testimony from the WC, save for the precise location of the rear entry head wound.
Those who claim the photos were "doctored" a) haven't had access to the originals, and/or b) have no expertise in this field.
1239jer 5 months ago
JFK's assassination was the start of America's downfall. It has been wars and
lies ever since.
frankster47 8 months ago 3
jfk's head was rotated left, neck/head flexed and some left latral flexion...somebody needs to explain the geometry of how a shot from the right-front can cause jfk's head wound without taking out jfk's LEFT side of his skull
not saying its all LHO from TSBD but baden looks like the shecky green of forensic pathology to me
RedStateRoy 1 year ago
The director of this video put it up on youtube, not me, and we both agree it 's best to let people have their say. Sometimes I look in and add a point or two. But I mostly let it slide. Heck, someone using the name VinnyDickWad is trying to lecture me on credibility. Whatever...
PatSpeer 1 year ago
Sounds to me like they have you right where they want you. A pawn led by the nose by the secret government. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have mine. Thanks Richard for the input.
karenlynn533 1 year ago
Didn't the US Military do an autopsy on President Kennedy as well?
sandown122 1 year ago
@sandown122
The only autopsy performed on Kennedy was performed by the military. Dr.s Humes and Boswell were Navy Pathologists, and Dr. Finck was a Forensic Pathologist working for the Army. The autopsy was held at Bethesda Naval Hospital.
PatSpeer 1 year ago
@PatSpeer Factoid : "The Doctors JFK was struck by a bullet that entered the RIGHT FRONT temple"
& "Hoover is sitting in drag"
Don't you monitor your site comments to eliminate kooky discredited nonsense that is false? What a way of discreditng yourself.
VinnyDickWad 1 year ago
J Edgar Hoover (FBI) lied about Oswald, rifles, Ruby, bullets, everything.
Video: 9fqMA9YV3ks
On video 9fqMA9YV3ks Hoover is sitting in drag with his friends, and is certainly wearing a female’s hair bun and earrings, at 2:40 - 2:50. The CIA & mafia had pictures of this perv with young men & boys, and owned this piece of shit. Hoover was involved in other felony crimes. This lying felon supplied all the phony documents & altered pictures to frame Oswald & cover up the JFK conspiracy murderers.
jacobji5 1 year ago
Every bit of this video is factual. It is built entirely on the historical record. That some think it is bs only goes to show how ill-informed some are of the historical record.
PatSpeer 1 year ago
Hi, I can make money too off of conspracy bullshit!
Tippersnore 1 year ago
what do you call a man who plays cards with theives and the next day sits down with them to play again? An idiot.
Don't ask those who killed him - "who killed him." I know and you should too. research CFR and bilderberg.
JewLoco 1 year ago
it is all water on the bridge now,
Jackie RIP must have felt terrible sitting right next to him,
hlimkb 1 year ago
Think outside the box. Don't listen to Bugliosi because he prosecuted Charles Manson. Look into how he believed Bobby Kennedy was a victim of an assassination and how he went to court on it and was denied access to the evidence by our Government. Bug still wipes his butt with toilet paper, just like the rest of us.
Keep digging, slowly but surely it will emerge if we the PEOPLE keep asking and searching. Don't let them get away with robbery.
karenlynn533 1 year ago 2
@karenlynn533 Well the CONspiracy has everyone everbody loves to hate as the killer of JFK. 'THEY' got you right were 'THEY' want you. Receptivity to logic and reason diminishes drastically when one confronts enemys v opponents.
VinnyDickWad 1 year ago
How can a throat wound come out smaller, so small that they did a trachotomey over it because they though it was an entrance wound. Thanks for sharing this video with me. Where are all the real xrays and pictures that were taken at the autopsy. Where is his brain? Don't tell me, the Kenendy family took it, because they wanted it kept secret. Bullshit!
Dr. Humes even ahd to call the doctors at Parkland and ask if they did a tracheotomy?
karenlynn533 1 year ago
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@karenlynn533 "How can a throat wound come out smaller, so small that they did a trachotomey over it because they though it was an entrance wound"
Perhaps by experimentation like Dr. Lattimer did, he proved that supported (JFK's shirt & tie) exit wounds can be as small or smaller than entrance wounds.
VinnyDickWad 1 year ago
I am sick of being told how to think feel and act, just because they said it was that way. If we think outside the box, we are idiots or conspiracy buffs.
America has bad men and organizations, just as we accuse other countries of doing, we do it too. Just because this is America doesn't mean everything pristine, like the bullet that made five wounds and came out almost whole. You but into that lie. Call me what you want, I don't give a rats ass.
karenlynn533 1 year ago
@ 8.04 isn't the photo of the skull a blow up. If not, where is the huge hole in the pic of the back of JFK's head? This vid isn't very explanatory to layman peeps like myself, it just looks like more supposition.
I've been reading Pats blog, and the education forums JFK assassination boards.
I wish these guys would pool all their resources into one collective video compilation. It is important that alot of new stuff uncovered by these guys should be brought to light.
v35tan27 1 year ago
Stan, the photo with the intact scalp was taken near the beginning of the autopsy. The photo with the scalp peeled back was taken awhile later. The doctors acknowledged that, as the scalp was peeled back, broken pieces of bone fell to the table. And that the defect on the bone stretched from the far back of the head to the forehead. This is supported by the X-rays. I discuss the possibility these were faked in chapter 18c of my webpage.
PatSpeer 1 year ago
@karenlynn533
Read the first reports of the assassination and what the doctors at Parkland memorial saw when he was brought there. There is also the harper fragment that was found near the sight where he was shot. It is part of the occipital bone which is in the back of the head. Look at frame 313 to 315 of the AZ filming and you will see that the hair in the back has lifted.
According to witnesses at the autopsy there was a huge hole in the rear of the head and the brain was gone.
karenlynn533 1 year ago
Karen, FWIW, all those legitimate concerns are discussed in chapter 18c of my webpage.
PatSpeer 1 year ago
I'll tell ya what I am real tired of. I am tired of being called an idiot because I don't swallow every thing that the Government tells me or what the Newspapers broadcast. I research and gather my own thoughts instead of buying into Black Ops bullshit.
Btw; I love America, the soldiers who fought our wars and the honest individuals who believed in the Constitution and honored it. I don't give a damn about the mighty dollar bill or how much power we have.
karenlynn533 1 year ago 2
where are the actual pictures??????? Not some stupid drawing.
karenlynn533 1 year ago
Pap Smear?
sudaev 1 year ago
There is a problem with the color photos of the limo in the Washington DC garage. The rear seat shows a RED blood smear.
That is a huge oxidation problem.
In this universe, over the time frame from the Elm St conspiracy murder to the limo in the garage pictures, the blood cannot still be RED. But it is. A RED LIE is smeared over previous dried DARK blood stains on the seat.
Those dark blood stains were not there before Dallas. They added evidence to hinder any investigation.
usefulstuf 1 year ago
LOL he cites Groden? This clown testified, and was impeached, regarding photo evidence at OJ's trial, and his background was exposed. He hadn't taken any course, attended any school, or had any formal training in analyzing photos. His credibility was further impeached when he admitted to selling purloined JFK autopsy photos to the tabloid The Globe, which he first denied.
Only once prior had he ever been paid to establish the authenticity of a photo - an apparition at a voodoo ceremony.
sudaev 1 year ago
Wrong. No one cites Groden. I mention that Groden presents the photo in a certain interpretation, and then point out that the official interpretation is different than Groden's. I then demonstrate why we should believe Groden, Lifton, AND the original inventory signed by the autopsy doctors, radiologist, and photographer, were right on this issue.
Besides...LN heroes like Lattimer, Myers and McAdams are every bit as wacky as Groden at his wackiest.
PatSpeer 1 year ago
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@PatSpeer "Lattimer, Myers and McAdams are every bit as wacky as Groden"
They also have the decided advantage of telling the truth, dismissing the welter of silly conspiracy theory's ....
"On a sinister level conspiracy mongering is a vicious intrument of defamation & comes from the imagination of hate. With malicious gullibility there is no end"
Rex Murphy POV CT's
watch?v=5u_4B6JDcgE&feature=related
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
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@PatSpeer "Lattimer, Myers / McAdams are every bit as wacky as Groden" They also have the decided advantage of telling the truth, dismissing the welter of silly conspiracy theory's ...."On a sinister level conspiracy mongering is a vicious intrument of defamation & comes from the imagination of hate. With malicious gullibility there is no end"
Rex Murphy POV CT's
watch?v=5u_4B6JDcgE&feature=related
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
They also have the decided advantage of telling the truth, dismissing the welter of silly conspiracy theory's ...."On a sinister level conspiracy mongering is a vicious intrument of defamation & comes from the imagination of hate.
With malicious gullibility there is no end"
Rex Murphy POV CT's
watch?v=5u_4B6JDcgE&feature=related
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
cobrafarmer : Bugliosi's book suffers from its persistent inclusion of Oswald in hypothetical conspiracies
If being realistic is suffereing that he does . There's no evidence against any othe human being on Earth , so Oswald remains at the center of the crime and a river of tears by you isn't going to change that .
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
Tealy855 : James Files ( Sutton ) -- grassy knoll shooter
I'm sure we would of heard something from Lee Bowers in the RR tower if someone had shot from his side of the grassy knoll fence . Alas all bystandards he saw were on the Dealey Plaza side of the picket fence .
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
@cdddraftsman Read The Assassination of Robert Kennedy where Bugliosi believes with all his heart that there were eleven bulletts fired at the hotel that night. He even said that Johns murder lead to Bobbys.
karenlynn533 1 year ago
@karenlynn533 "Read The Assassination of RFK" Advance shill stuff to repair his reputation that he knew would be in the conspiracy trash dumpster for advocating a lone gunman thesis in JFK's death. No biggee, he even appeased the 'kook'de'atat' mobcrowd when he presented evidence for GWB's impeachment. Congress was polite but said "No thanks Vinny" stick to the 20 yr. effort stuff, sounds believable. Here's a Kookie go away.
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
cobrafarmer : Bugliosi would lose a jury trial.
Well in the most realistic one so far he beat Gerry Spence and got a unanimous decision against Oswald :
watch?v=elXXqOK731w
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
turn the music down so we can hear you talk. Thanks.
djnonstp 1 year ago
this totally indicates to me that there was perhaps 2 shots impacting simultaneously on JFK's head. Im no forensic pathologist but i was in the army 10 years and have seen a fair amount of gunshot wounds. Still it seems pretty incredible that a man like Michael Baden could make such a glaring error unless there is something more to his "mistake"
MickDylan28 1 year ago
Keep clinging to losers
MrMrMoto 2 years ago
JFK Murder Solved - Chicago Mob/ CIA
James Files ( Sutton ) -- grassy knoll shooter, fatal shot ( CIA ) used ,22 cal Remington Fireball XP-100 pistol
givin to him by CIA handler David Atlee Phillips.
Charles Nicoletti--- head shot ( Chicago Mob ) John Rosseli mob handler
David Sanchez Morales and Richard Cain were shooters in the Book Depository
David Atlee Phillips CIA handler Oswald / Files etc...
Tealy855 2 years ago
@Tealy855 There are groups above the CIA who ordered it.
Jossher700 2 years ago
Bugliosi says that someone would have talked. Indeed, many people did talk, and others died violent deaths on the eve of talking. VB attempts to discredit some of these; easier without a defense attorney and jury. Regardless, they're examples of exactly what VB said would happen--people talked.
The official report of a 7.5 Mauser in the "snipers nest," inconsistencies in Tippet's murder reports and timeline, witnesses who heard shots from the knoll, all would sink Bugliosi in court.
cobrafarmer 2 years ago
Bugliosi's book suffers from its persistent inclusion of Oswald in hypothetical conspiracies. He contends that the CIA would never recruit Oswald because he was an unstable loner.
Aside from the fact that the loner myth has been challenged, this is unsound reasoning because 1) many CIA's members are unknown to the public and their stability can't be assessed, 2) if Oswald was a patsy, he'd only need enough stability to be set up to take the blame.
Bugliosi would lose a jury trial.
cobrafarmer 2 years ago
Pat, I read your little article about Mr. Bugliosi's book and I found that basically you are a total moron. You didn't come up with any evidence to dissprove the Warren Commision or Mr. Bugliosli's findings. So crawl back to grandma's basement until you come up with any real evidence, and please stop muddying up John Kennedy's legacy like the rest of these "conspiracy Theorists".
MrMrMoto 2 years ago
Mr. Moto, you did not read my "little" article. If you did you'd have seen that it was not "little" at all, but overly detailed and extremely long. You'd also have seen that in it I made no efforts to "disprove" the Warren Commission's and Bugliosi's findings, which you ignorantly assume are the same. Instead, I presented Bugliosi's witnesses, and Buglosi's citations, to show that he is not the honest reporter he claims to be, but a propagandist out to deceive his readers.
PatSpeer 2 years ago
There is overwhelming evidence that flies in the face of Bugliosi's assertions. I don't have to cite the evidence. Many of us have seen it. It's in the open. The Warren Commission is as effective as the 911 commission. Talk about muddying up the waters. Time for you to wake up MOTO~
ghahandi 2 years ago
Why don't you take a long walk off a short pierm Mr. Moto? You're muddying up the gene pool of humanity.
olga2415 2 years ago
This is a mockumentary there is no conspiracy no "mysterious death" why don't you come out of your grandmother's basement and face the truth. Read Vincent Bugliosi's book but I know most you diehard theorist won believe it even though with a little common sense you realize that there is no conspiracy.
MrMrMoto 2 years ago
Mr. Moto, you should learn how to google. If you did you would see that there are articles and essays by myself on Bugliosi's book, and that I demonstrate quite clearly he is a serial mis-representer of evidence, and not to be relied upon. You might start with my article entitled "Vincent Bugliosi is the Real Oliver Stone".
PatSpeer 2 years ago
well done pat speer this is a good documentary . i find it very suspect that the secret service would not let the parkland doctors proceed with the autopsy . reason being of course that the most important piece of evidence that a court of law would use was the autopsy notes. There was no way they were gonna let the real truth out so they had to fabricate the autopsy in order for there story to ever have any credit.
jellyadult 2 years ago
LBJ,Rrichard Nixon, J Edgar Hoover, (FBI) Allen Dulles and George Bush Sr. (CIA) Mafia of USA and Italy, Texas business tycoons - all were in collusion in the assassination of JFK. (also Martin Luther King and RFK later on by most of the above). How they killed JFK? By hiring contract killers from France and Malcolm Wallace. Oswald was just a patsy to be later on killed by Jack Ruby a close associate of LBJ and the mafia. The fault of JFK was to undermine these powerful enemies and go to Texas.
prajna8 2 years ago 2
Bullets don't travel as straight as a string after they hit bone. The back/lower neck shot DEFINATELY hit a vertebra/ rib, deflected upward and could have easily exited out his throat. The ER MD even said there was a bullet exit wound he cut into to perform a tracheotomy.
WHEN BULLETS HIT BONE THEY DO NOT TRAVEL IN A STRING-LIKE STRAIGHT LINE!! NEVER! Those that say since the entrance wound is lower than the exit wound, therefore the bullet couldn't have come from the snipers nest are WRONG
joenm3 2 years ago
Joe, you're missing something. First of all, the autopsy doctors said the bullet descended in the body and that no bone was hit in the neck. They needed to say this because the sniper's nest was above Kennedy and the NOSE of the magic bullet was unblemished. Only later did the gov.t's experts acknowledge the spine was damaged, and that the bullet ascended the neck. But an upwards deflection would have missed Connally. So they pretended JFK was leaning forward, even though they knew he was not.
PatSpeer 2 years ago 3
Even if we assume you are correct, that the throat wound is higher than the back wound because it deflected upward from a rib, how did it go back down when outside the President in order to strike the Governor below the armpit?
Think about it, and think about who is really wrong.
MikeS29 2 years ago
Comment below is for joenm3
MikeS29 2 years ago
Bullets don't travel as straight as a string after they hit bone. The back/lower neck shot DEFINATELY hit a vertebra or rib, deflected upward and could have easily exited out his throat. The ER MD even said there was a bullet exit wound he cut into to perform a tracheotomy.
WHEN BULLETS HIT BONE THEY DO NOT TRAVEL IN A STRING-LIKE STRAIGHT LINE!! NEVER! Those that say since the entrance wound is lower than the exit wound, therefore the bullet couldn't have come from the snipers nest are WRONG
joenm3 2 years ago
Go see JFKll: The Bush Connection. It Indicts George the 1st pretty well - a little partisan, but what do you expect?
kangalanatolian 2 years ago
JFK was killed for creating 4.3 billion in treasury bills that would have put the Federal Bank out of business. Ex order 11110.
jerome2022 2 years ago 2
How do you know that they didn't have to kill him ?? WHY? They can never tell us.
THEMOJOMANsince1959 2 years ago
rober kenedy said he stoo by the warren commission because he knew if h said h woul do anything different then he too could be murdered, he knew the power of the people behind the murder (with over 200 people being murdered since the assasination) and he knew if he gave those people cause for concern he too would be stopped in his tracks
theuktarget 2 years ago
At a speech at a California college, during his presidential campaign, when asked if he promised to reopen the investigation into his brothers death by reopening the WC archives , he said ? :
"I stand by the Warren Commission Report"
Senator Robert F. Kennedy
Wonder how Pat Speer missed these on his quack committee ?
Just curious .
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
"There were things that should have been done differently. There were mistakes made. But I know of no facts that have been brought to light which would call for a reassessment of the conclusion.
I'm fundamentally satisfied with the findings of the Warren Commission Report."
Senator Edward M. Kennedy
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
Teddy wasn't in Dallas and had relatively few dealings with Johnson, Hoover, the Pentagon and the CIA, in comparison to Bobby. He just didn't know. Read Sorensen's book for a more informed answer.
PatSpeer 2 years ago 2
Read Brothers by David Talbot and you will get the whole story on RFK and his attitudes to his brothers' death. RFK never read the Warren Report... and most certainly did not believe it.
PatSpeer 2 years ago
Amen I should add that at autopsy another bullet was found & given to fbi agents siebert & o`neal the files that prove this were released in the 90`s so if oswald only fired 3 shots where did this bullet come from? answer a second gun.
Doppelganger399 2 years ago 4
Exactly!
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
why do you people insist on making shyt up?
joejabberoni 2 years ago
@Doppelganger399 "where did this bullet come from?"
Receipt for missile on package was from the fragments recovered from JFK's skull and brain.
VinnyDickWad 1 year ago
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6Ott7 2 years ago
It sure is ! LHO demising camelwhatever in 8.9 seconds of his one hour lunch break .
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
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Oswald did it alone. This is funny though.
teddyzed 2 years ago
Now you know why Ed Koch removed Baden from his ME position in NYC.
Weisberg told Baden about the shennigans with the president's neck tie (no bullet, according to FBI testing, went through it), Baden acknowledged this to Weisberg, then just ignored it in his report.
HSCA=more cover up
samiemma 2 years ago 3
LOL that guy is obviously bullshitting, trying to look as though he's sure of himself. He is constantly implying that 2 + 2 = 5.
"when bullet hits flat bone, as in skull, the bone breaks in direction to which bullet is going"
As spectre0075 said, case closed. Boden literally just said th equivalent of "oh yeah, the bone fragments went in the same direction as the bullet. The bone fragments went back, so the bullet obviously came from the back, out the *front*" WTF?????
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
You know whats the funniest thing? That you are wasting time proving yourself to be the biggest fool. So relax please.
IamConnorMacLeod 2 years ago
Hmmmm....you do know that I was replying to the retarded debunker in the video, and not the video itself? I'm not sure what you thought, but my comment was a little unclear, so I was just clarifying: I definitely think the debunkers are either misinformed or stupid. I do see good evidence of conspiracy.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
Oh, pardon me, then - I must have mis-read.
IamConnorMacLeod 2 years ago
That's OK. Anyway, if I *was* replying to the video itself, you'd be totally right! :) They really do make total fools of themselves...
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
that's because you're misinformed and stupid.
joejabberoni 2 years ago
Noooo...I don't think I am. You know, this kind of internet flaming doesn't work on well-adjusted people. Of course, I'm not saying that it is absolutely, 100% certain that JFK was killed by conspiracy, I'm just saying that as far as evidence goes, it's by far the most likely cause, and if he really was killed by Oswald, I demand that a great number of preeettty damn big logic holes get explained before I believe it.
No offense to you - I just think that debunkers haven't seen all the facts.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
ABSOLUTE PROOF of the conspiracy.
JFK had BROWN HAIR and WIDE EVEN-CUT SIDEBURNS throughout his presidency. See JFKs hair on videos ?v=xE0iPY7XGBo (his inauguration) and ?v=Mt1Dm0Od0lA (his death day-freeze film at 1:23).
**Then web page: 'because he looked like kennedy' **
JD Tippit (the JFK cop look-a-like) had BLACK HAIR and NARROW SLANT UPPER-CUT SIDEBURNS. See Tippits BLACK HAIR and NARROW SLANT UPPER-CUT SIDEBURNS on the morgue table that the govt labeled 'JFK Autopsy'.
Game,set,match
grassyknollkiller 2 years ago
The Doctors at Parkland Hospital who saw President Kennedy's injurioes with their OWN eyes, indicated--at the time--that Kennedy was struck by a bullet that entered the Presidents RIGHT FRONT temple. How could these Doctors possibly get this wrong? the people who assassinated President Kennedy don't want you to know what REALLY happened. Sadly, they are getting away with it.
Paolo7219 2 years ago 14
Paolo, the doctors did not say that Kennedy was struck by a bullet that entered the President's right front temple, and they saw no such wound.
PatSpeer 2 years ago
Nothing new under the sun!!!
A bit disappointed.
townwood 3 years ago
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cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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The Single Bullet Myth is a fraud based upon drawings and conjecture, not X-Rays, photos, or the FBI's report. Arlen Specter is confronted with the facts here...
watch?v=aS3zrdkoCdY
No SBT, no Lone Nut gunman. Ooops!
Dale Myers bullshit propoganda cartoon is as valid for scientific evidence as Elmer Fudd is valid for rabbit hunting, and Popeye is for the health benefits of spinach. He is exposed as the lying coward he is here:
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VinnyVoom444 3 years ago
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The entire bandwidth of YouTube could be filled with the boldfaced lies and disinformation the degenerate piece of shit cddraftsman has been caught in. That said, now the whole world is having a good belly laugh at what a pathetic bigot and sociopath he is. IT'S OFFICIAL!
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Watch:
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VinnyVoom444 3 years ago
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"2 bad not 1 of those witnesses could give 1 consistent story"
Every see a traffic accident were 12
eye-witnesses reported it in the same way ?
Neither have I .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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VinnyVoom444 3 years ago
LHO would have been convicted because he had been already tried and convicted by the media of the nation.
FACT- LHO tested negative for powder burns as to having fired a rifle that day
FACT- Rifle was sent to the FBI- The FBI finds no evidence. Rifle gets sent back to Dallas- officer suddenly finds a palm print on the rifle. (LHO's body is in the DPD morgue at the time-convenient)
FACT- Police first on scene ID the rifle as being a MAUSER. (two Texans cant ID a rifle?)
nonalignedspace 3 years ago
"LHO would have been convicted because he had been already tried & convicted by the media of the nation"
Thanks for reconfirming that the case against LHO was overwhelming :-) LHO didn't try to hide the fact that he killed JFK , that was to be his ticket into Cuba .
What's the purpose of hiding this fact if u go to the Cuban Consulate w/no evidence that u disposed of JFK ? His efforts would of been worthless .
You missed the whole point of the assassn. .... congratulations !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"FACTOID- LHO tested negative for powder burns as to having fired a rifle that day"
As far back as the mid 30's the FBI sent out warnings to all law enforcement agencies to discontinue pariffin testing because of it's unrealiability . Dallas PD used it as a intimidation method to get suspects to confess that they already knew were guilty by additional suites of evidence they had in their possession .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"FACTOID - Rifle sent to FBI- The FBI finds no evidence"
Fingerprints lifted remained in Dallas by accident.
"Rifle gets sent back to Dallas"
Rifle remained at FBI headquarters in Washington , now resides in National Archives .
"officer suddenly finds a palm print on the rifle (LHO's body is in the DPD morgue at the time-convenient)"
Print lifted the day of the assassn. off of rifle . Dead body's excrete no thin film of grease to plant fingerprints with .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"FACTOID - Police 1st on scene ID the rifle as being a MAUSER?"
Mauser is a generic term used to identify bolt action rifles of a certain time period . It's used similar to 'Dreadnaught'* was used to identify all battleships .
Maybe you ougth to read a decent history book once in awhile instead of getting your false history out of conspiracy literature ?
*HMS Dreadnaught being the 1st all 'Big Gun' battleship .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
And yes you can make prints on weapons using a dead hand..
nonalignedspace 3 years ago
"& yes u can make prints on weapons using a dead hand."
The prints recovered from LHO's MC rifle were latent prints caused by a thin film of excreted sweat or grease or put it into any terms you like , they weren't inked prints . Dead people have to have inked prints .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Sheesh dont you watch CSI? yes you can print items with dead hands, especially if they have been kept on ice..
nonalignedspace 3 years ago
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"Sheesh dont you watch CSI?"
That's were I got it from . Best ways of getting fingerprints :
1) Inked Prints
2) Inked Prints
3) Inked Prints
4) Inked Prints
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
they can print hands of people who have been burried for months.
eljamiro 3 years ago
FACTOID, LHO was eating lunch....
migo53333 3 years ago
LHO denied he killed the President and Tippit right up til the day he was shot.. try reviewing some facts before you break your arm patting yourself on the back.
Dance little sheep...
nonalignedspace 3 years ago
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"LHO denied he killed the JFK & Tippit"
Sure fire sign he killed them . 6-8 witnesses at the Tippet murder scene . All his actions that day speak guilt .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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LHO was not only guilty ..... he was 120% guilty .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Too bad not one of those witnesses could give ONE consistent story..
nonalignedspace 3 years ago
what about the 5 doctors from parkland hospital,they all said the same thing as did many others,all you need for a conspiricy is right thier,these guys were the first to see jfk,they are doctors,they saw the damage done by the shots from the front,thier were at least 3 teams of snipers out thier that day,as many as 13 shots were fired,this was overkill,lbj and richard nixon wanted him dead with a vengence,many insiders were involved,the experts in all fields have spoken,jfk was assasinated.
eljamiro 3 years ago 2
Quick, lick my balls
mdpk1 3 years ago
tHAT'S FUNNY....LAUGHABLE...I could get Oswald off and have had no legal experience..
1. Kennedy killed by HIGH VELOCITY rounds
2. Mannlicher carcanos do not have high velocity capability.
nonalignedspace 3 years ago
Tweakers on the Knoll !
"I could get Oswald off & have had no legal experience"
Earl Warrem Chief Justice Supreme Court :
"LHO would of been convicted in a trial lasting no more than three days"
"JFK killed by HIGH VELOCITY rounds MC do not have high velocity capability"
MC velocity 2200fps > Prof.Rahn's Head Snap Analysis :
"The physics monograph shows that the quick forward movement of JFK's head is explained by a MC bullet from the TSBD & indeed requires such a bullet"
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
I'll repeat it again :
"WC Report was a fact finding mission, not a criminal investigation"
There findings ? :
a) LHO bought the gun that fired the shots that killed JFK .
b) LHO's presemce during the assassination is unknown . He had no alibi and no one would vouch for him .
c) LHO killed a policeman (6-8 witnesses) after fleeing the TSBD .
d) LHO was convicted in a mock trial by Vincent Bugliosi in the UK .
Case closed .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"JFK was the bump on the road to the Bush Dynasty/Legacy"
One of 10,000 useless theory's . LBJ was accused of murdering JFK because of his unpopular VN War . GWB's father is accused because of his son's unpopular Iraq War . I wish you clowns of conspiracy would be less obvious in your transhistorical flights of fancy .
After 45 years you've worn out your welcome.
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
he was shot twice, Once in the back of the head and 1000th of a second on the temple area of the head.
mastshke 3 years ago
Geez, if assassination was the punishment for being a less than stellar administrator that would explain Reagan but what about the Bushes et al?
btw revisionist shills need to get a life and it seems that comedy may be your hope...;-)
Sueezedtight 3 years ago
JFK was the bump on the road to the Bush Dynasty/Legacy. Prescott and the Dulles' made their money with the Nazis and then got to Ike with RMN as vp. When Joe Kennedy "bought" the election for JFK, they vowed to get even and never make that mistake again (Florida and Ohio anyone?) JFK bucked their trend and he paid for it with his life. Then we got the parade of GHW Bush and his supporters as they pillaged and raped the country with their CIA drug money and banking rip-offs (Silverado S&L.)
Sueezedtight 3 years ago
Sueezedtight don't visit Texas and especially Dealy Plaza , Robert Groden is giving the people all the laughter they can handle as it is .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"survey answers reflect a pro-JFK bias">.Basboll
Correct or they wouldn't get their books published , you've coroborated my point . >.CDD
Another c&p job to take my words out of context. Again, my full quote was a summary of YOUR position (not mine) on how historians and publishers deal with JFK's legacy.
basboll 3 years ago
''makes you wonder about a soviet hit on jfk''
cd did i read that right?, your now a CT'ER?LOL..you believe a communist conspiracy was possible?what would be your theory?I CANT BELIEVE MY EYES!!!!!LMAO!!!!!!!!
bouncer97 3 years ago
Your point was Nixon turned the Soviets and Chinese against each other, but the fact was they'd already been building up against each other pre-Nixon. Nixon does deserve foreign policy points for his visits to both countries in '72 countries. If you want to highly rank a conservative president, I'd choose Reagan, whose defense buildup helped push the Soviets to collapse.
basboll 3 years ago
With JFK's body was on speed and his mind was on sex at the height of the crises -
He asked McNamara about an attractive Pentagon secretary,
"I want her name and number. We may avert war tonight."
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
In the Summer of 1963, the US had 200 Atlas, Titan and Minuteman missiles, over 100 Polaris missiles and about 1700 nuclear bombers. Russia had about 50 ICBM's and 200 long-range bombers. Our megatonnage was 10 to 1.
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
JFK decided to give away our advantage, hold back our nuclear forces and allow the Russians to catch up on the theory that this would create an equal balance of terror and work for world peace. Kennedy's idea, which turned out to be false, was that if the Soviets caught up that they would then stop their military buildup. This was probably the single most dangerous mistake Kennedy made.
This alone would make one wonder if the Soviets hit JFK because 'He was about to turn American' ?
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
'' he asked McNamara about an attractive pentagon secretary''
And this compared to the male hookers who were given.. ha ''midnight tours'' of the WH under the regan/bush administration..eh?Of course the media aired this briefly then (poof) GONE!LOL
bouncer97 3 years ago
Dean Acheson one of JFK's top advisors, observed that JFK "did not have incisiveness & he was out of his depth where he was , his reputation is greater because of the tragedy of his death than it would have been if he had lived out two terms...he did not seem to me to be in any sense a great man. I did not think that he knew a great deal about any of the matters which it is desirable that a Chief of State or a President of the United States should know about. He was not decisive."
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
To quote from Professor Thomas Reeves, "During the Thousand Days, Kennedy arrogantly and irresponsibly violated his covenant with the people. While saying and doing the appropriate things in the public light, he acted covertly in ways that seriously demeaned himself and his office."
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
With the appointment of his brother as attorney general, he tried to found a political dynasty, abhorred by the Founding Fathers. "The metaphor of Camelot, after all, is ultimately un-American and undemocratic, conjuring up images of crowns and dashing young princes and noble birth."
When in fact JFK was a womanizer , a leecher and a wannabe playboy king of Cameltwat !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh, Little Brown. 1997, defines JFK as a lout, a cad, a boor, an oaf, a schemer, a liar, a blackmailer and a reckless gambler with the nation's security, its integrity and its institutions. Kennedy was a man thoroughly out of control, thoroughly out of his depth, and maybe thoroughly out of his mind.
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Let's see.....the last political leader that was a saint....uh...no not him....ummmm nope not her either....well looks like you are shit out of luck in castigating one as worse than the rest....lol. Pathetic.
Sueezedtight 3 years ago
Kennedy wasn't just the Hoodlum Prince of Camelot, he was the incarnation of Sodom and Gomorrah.
REEVES -- A Question of Character by Thomas Reeves, NY:Free Press, 1991
An excellent book is John F. Kennedy's 13 Great Mistakes in the White House, by Malcom Smith, Smithtown, NY:Suffolk house, 1980.
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Note to Earth: men like Acheson, Eisenhower, and Nixon saw Kennedy's willingness to consider different viewpoints a weakness. Could this be...professional jealousy?. Those who knew him best saw it as a great strength. Historians who've studied the Cuban Missile tapes have universally said that Kennedy was the smartest man in the room, and in total command of his office. And draftsman, you're a phony,if you'd been JFK you'd have drilled every woman you could, and you know it.
PatSpeer 3 years ago 2
Sorry to inform you Pat I was never morally aloof such as yourself .
Is that who you were holding me up against ?
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Just think Pat if you vote for LHO as the sole assassin you'll make it unanimous .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
The 'Greatest Generation' begat the 'Babyboomer Generation' who begat the 'Dumbest Generation' .
Pat Speer has found his calling .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Speaking of history, the Russian and Chinese tensions of the 50's and 60's before Nixon became pres. were well detailed in a
study in the late 90's.
basboll 3 years ago
"Russian and Chinese tensions"
There have always been tensions . The gauge of their rairoad tracks change when you leave/enter China/Mongilia and that goes back to the early 1920's . That's not the point , we were talking about aiming stategic missliles at each other and the movement of Soviet Divisions to the Chinese Boarder after Nixon worked his Miracles !
Point made and Ploink to you !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"survey answers reflect a pro-JFK bias"
Correct or they wouldn't get their books published , you've coroborated my point .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
basboll : "every history book and survey supporting JFK was a conspiracy of historians"
Finally something we agree upon >>CDD
Nice C & P to take my words out of context. I was summarizing your view that historians books and survey answers reflect a pro-JFK bias, a conspiracy theory that's ironic for and LN.
basboll 3 years ago
"you don't have to serve time for this crime" card .
Nixon was never convicted of any crime . Why Ford pardened him in reality he took to his grave (Probably did it in a moment of guilt for taking over the job of the greatest president of all times . If they had pursued him after he left the WH Nixon was such a good lawyer he would of ripped the prosecution to shreds , that's why no one pursued the issue afterwards . This is common knowledge you won't find in your Alumi-Naughty press kit .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Now if I may continue w/out any further futile attempts to rewrite history with a decidedly left leaning stance :
Cuban Missile Crisis cont'd :
On October 22, 1963, JFK wrote his staff in a hand-written note "Is there a plan to brief and brainwash key press within 12 hours or so?" By being dishonest with the American people, JFK gave the Soviets, who had the facts, the power to destroy his Presidency and thereby unduly influence him. Also the timing was dishonest, he had known the
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
missiles since August 22 when informed by CIA Director McCone. He announced it on October 22nd to influence Congressional elections in favor of Democrats - the classic "October surprise." There is evidence that the Russians never removed their missiles, but at best the end result - status quo ante minus US missiles in Turkey - was clearly worse for the US. JFK's handling of the crisis to the point of our nuclear annihilation was the most irresponsible act of any president in history of the US .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
You really know how to roll out the garbage, draftsman. If the nukes weren't removed from Cuba, where are they? Get a map and show us where they are. You might as well say that Reagan was a communist spy, and that his deal with Gorbachev to cut down our arsenal was a commie plot. BTW, I love your bit on the Alumi-naughty. Clearly, you're as wacky as the wackiest. Only you think the BIG conspiracy was to get Nixon!!! Priceless.
PatSpeer 3 years ago
"Get a map and show us where they are"
You don't need a map Pat , you'll find them on the evidence table next to LHO's curtain rods .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"Only you think the BIG conspiracy was to get Nixon!!!"
But Pat you're the expert in using the reverse of the 'Scientific Method' , so why don't you disprove what I said ?
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Now if I may continue PLEASE BE QUITE ! :
His body was on speed and his mind was on sex at the height of the crises -
He asked McNamara about an attractive Pentagon secretary,
"I want her name and number.
We may avert war tonight."
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
New terrorism -
JFK ordered the CIA (100 million dollar Operation Mongoose) to sabotage the Cuban economy and assassinate Fidel Castro, showing an irresponsibility and lack of judgment bordering on dereliction. The CIA offered a 150,000 dollar open contract on Castro. Samuel Halpern, the CIA executive in charge of Task Force W whose sole purpose was to assassinate Castro, wrote that "the Kennedys were obsessed about wanting Castro dead "for personal reasons"
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
because the family name was besmirched by the Bay of Pigs." Even up to his death, JFK was directing an effort to manufacture pretexts to invade Cuba. These efforts may have precipitated the Cuban missile crises. November 1, 1963 JFK instigated a plot to overthrow and kill South Vietnam's Premiere Diem. JFK played politics with American lives in Vietnam, he put his election ahead of American lives.
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Nixon was never convicted of any crime''
lol,haha yeah because ford saved his ass,if nixon was questioned under oath about watergate he might spill the beans about hunt and bush sr.'s involvement in the murder of jfk.Ford makes bush sr. head of the cia..(gasps)wouldnt you know right when the hsca was getting colby to cooperate.
bouncer97 3 years ago
"Nixon was never convicted of any crime"
Thats correct .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
''Thats correct''
and neither was oswald,you hypocritical,slandering scumbag.
''nixon was such a good lawyer he would have ripped the prosecution to shreds''
LMAO,this guy is hilarious,HAHAHA yeah ted bundy,and that black guy on the NY subways thought the same thing.I wouldnt put it past tricky dick,he to was a meglamaniacal evil piece of plankton.
bouncer97 3 years ago
"or writer who has stated Nixon was the best president of all time">>Basboll
I've repeatedly said it which is about the best around and you would know that if you went to a forum like aaj or acj were the opposition runs terrified when I post . >>CDD
Another nonanswer. But would even your guru Mccadams call Nixon the greatest president? And if dealing with communists is how you rateyour presidents, instead of Nixon you'd do better w/Reagan for plausibly helping bring down the Soviets.
basboll 3 years ago
basboll : "every history book and survey supporting JFK was a conspiracy of historians"
Finally something we agree upon . Also they wouldn't get any books published if they said anything detrimental about that phony war hero , phony president and his phony family that we're little more than Irish Mobsters in tux's .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"China had to go at it w/o the Russians in developing nukes and didn't accomplish it until '64"
I see you try to get caught up by quickly reading wiki sources that are oft times mistaken . Many Soviet arms were smuggled to NV through China up until 1975 . Hiphong Harbor (sic)was mucj too small for the demands that the NV had .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
I'm going to start charging you for getting a proper education for free from me . >>
You should be charging me for the free online comedy act; you're better than most standup comics. Imagine the yuk-yuks in the audience when you make statements like:
1. Hey, you heard the one about Nixon being the greatest president? (audience laughter)
2. I'm a Lone Nut supporter, so that means every history book and survey supporting JFK was a conspiracy of historians and publishers! (audience laughter)
basboll 3 years ago
"Mao and Khruschev taunted each other in the 50's and diplomacy broke down in the 60's">.basboll
Bullshit they worked closely together and thats how the Chinese were able to develope their nuclear program . >.CDD
That's true intially under the New Defense Technical Accord on '57, but because of the Sino-Soviet split, the Russians cancelled out on the deal in 1960. China had to go at it w/o the Russians in developing nukes and didn't accomplish it until '64.
basboll 3 years ago
If you knew anything about nuclear weaponry that doctrine of MAD... >>
Yes, especially if the two sides lining the nukes at each other on the border make an error and you get failsafe=unintended mushroom clouds. It's ironic that you of all people bring up MAD when you wanted to arm the SV with nukes so they "duke it out" with the NV.
basboll 3 years ago
BTW, how was Nixon "working his magic" by supposedly causing two super powers to line nukes up at each other? Would a nuke war between them have been Nixon's rabbit out of the hat? But then again, you thought we should have armed the SV with nukes to use on the NV...how could I forget yuor passion for nukes?
You're putting the cart before the horse, Draftsman. Nixon's strategy to deal both countries was because of the already existing tensions that had existed before his term.
basboll 3 years ago
They weren't targeting missiles at each other until Nixon worked his magic>>
Draftsman, the Chinese and Soviets weren't two happy communist peas in a pod before Nixon. Mao and Khruschev taunted each other in the 50's and diplomacy broke down in the 60's. The Soviets invaded in the Checks in '68 under the Brezhniv Doctrine, and China feared it was next. When the border clashes of early '69 occured, there'd been military buildups for years before Nixon was pres.
basboll 3 years ago
"Mao and Khruschev taunted each other in the 50's and diplomacy broke down in the 60's"
Bullshit they worked closely together and thats how the Chinese were able to develope their nuclear program .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago