I would think that the Pentagon would like us to not go down the rabbit hole...One can read many things into this but in essence it is about choosing between staying in your own little bubble (blue pill) or being curious about the world/universe and learning about it (red pill). Where one takes it after that is up to individual interpretation.
So is this contrasting "cogito ergo sum" with the idea of a Matrix? I would have though cogito ergo sum was still valid even if we do live in a matrix? I might have got the wrong end of the stick here though...
Zen Buddhism is a great antidote for the illusion of dualism...the irony being that this sentence is, in and of itself, dualistic...that said, give it a try :-)
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
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its like the rittle ( spelling wrong ) that i cant soulve..
there are 2 doors one leeds to heaven and one to hell and there are 2 guards one always lies and one always tell the truth and u dont know whos lying and whos thelling the truth and u can only ask them one question to go to heaven what is the answe/ question the one who told me this rittle said the secret is to think simple and i cant and he wont tell me the answer.. ANY HEELLPP??? PLZ??
@rryder64x ugh and i thought i could get away from that shit! but i can't, i can't...I CAN"T, AHHHHHHHH! nah just kidding, i know that every conspiracy is, in itself, a conspiracy. you dig?
How you define Fake? If Reality is a illusion than why do we feel pain, a illusion world that can feel pain? Please explain the " I think therefore Iam"
@Entei2000 everything is an illusion so it cancles out resulting in everything being "real". if u imagine a man travelling from africa to asia with a heavy bag that hurts his hands from carrying it, to u the man is imaginary and u created rules for your imaginary world aka heavy items can cause pain but to the man the pain is real. so in effect we are "intelligent illusions". these concepts were beyond decartes imo, so he simplified it by saying being aware of being aware is enough to be reality
This movie is right that there is a truth that is hidden from us because our minds are not free. However, it is not the fantasy that this movie portrays, and it has nothing to do with computers or a matrix. To seek the truth go to truthcontest(dot)com and read The Present.
@MrAussieJules You give Americans more credit than most. Lets hope you're right. As far as universal truths, its very hard to find a subject that everyone in the world agrees and acknowledges to be true. Ill give credit to science and mathematics because they're theories we base our existence on; however, people read literature like allegory in the cave and draw different conclusions based on their experiences. Universal truths are rare to find can you name one not related to science or math?
If you thought the matrix was good, you should watch Dark City. It basically has the same philosophical ideas as the matrix, but I think it's even better at showing those ideas.
We live in the Matrix of Nature. How we perceive Nature is a function of primary principles common to all Life and social systems. See my channel video.
What you say is true but there is no universal truth. Any false reality that one is being shown can suffice. The media providing misinformation is just one example. Another false reality might be the "American Dream." Its a false reality because we are institutionalized to believe that money and things make our existence. We value consumerism more than humanitarianism.
@saradrai dont be unfair on the Americans - they are the most generous people i have met. Yes you can just puruse big cars etc in the US if you wish, but most Americans value life and kindness a lot more than the europeans I know. And I spent over 20 yrs living in France.... this supposedly 'workers paradise" pauperises people and sets them up as beggars to the state. And also makes them grab what they can and not give much ... paradoxical that init ? ...
@saradrai No universal truth ? that statement must be false then ... you must be joking - if that were so then noone would study Science (discovering universal laws) and no one would bother debating - it would just be a free for all anarchy. a bit like a socialist state... where the people have to cater for whims of the governing aristocracy .. or the messiah, in Obama's case.
I dont agree with Descartes theory "I think therefore I exist", you exist even before you think , if you try to find out the origin of the existence I, you are heading towards a regression
I disagree with " I think therefore I am" Descartes makes the assumption that his type of logic is correct. Why is "If A then B" correct? He makes an unbased pre-sumption.
@MrJesusNazi Descartes is using the law of non contradiction to support his claim. He is saying. I do not exist, for me to make that claim, i must exist. The only possible conclusion is that i exist. I doubt, therefore, i am.
1. ~A
2. ~~A
3. A.
Do you disagree with the statement if i doubt, there must exist something that doubts? do you think doubt can exist by itself? or are you challenging that doubt exists? something is doubting, that something is what i call I. I doubt I. I can't not exist
Only things that exist can act; thinking is an action; therefore, if something thinks, it exists. "Am" implies existence. Therefore if I think, then I exist.
Reality is yours only and it's here for your examination and genuine manipulation.
We earthlings are here to find love and procreate instinctively like the rest of the earthly organisms. We are also here to fear , to be angry and sad (it's an imperfect, seemingly raw and unforgiving universe to be a part of but its meant to be analyzed and made better by it's own energy,, the energy of conscious life,,, US )
The universe isn't merely Around us but Within us.
The film teaches some interesting ideas, but they are just a sample of what there is to be learned by studying philosophy.
Remember, you might have finished basic training, but you're not the baddest man on the face of the earth, you're just a common soldier.
You know,just because you learned something cool, it doesn't mean you know everything, so stop acting all wise and shit, there is more for you to learn.
@iakodu I'm sorry- isn't it better that people are using new media for things like philosophy rather than things like shouting at each other, spreading prejudice and justin bieber?
@iakodu Why? Socrates talked to anyone and everyone about philosophy. Anybody who thinks or even WONDERS about the world around them, who they are or why the world is the way it is is a philosopher! A lover of wisdom! Everyone is a thinking thing so it's everybody's nature and right to think and express themselves. Sure, some people might just be talking pseudo-philosophical bullshit but hey, that's how Socrates was thought of at the time. Stop trying to suppress the common man from thinking.
@iakodu I have to agree here. I loved how The Matrix Trilogy incorporated metaphysics, religion and mythology, but just because you watch all three movies doesn't mean you are a Doctor of Philosophy. I believe the series is a great primer for people who want to learn more, but it's not the end all, be all sum of knowledge. I hate these freakin' hipsters who think that because they 'get' The Matirx Trilogy, then they 'get' everything. Arrogant sods, the lot of them.
@iakodu Right, we must continue to seek truth. As Lao Tzu said, "it is better to know that you do not know than to pretend that you know." You might be interested in checking out this site I found that is dedicated to seeking truth. Search "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. Pass it on to anyone who you think might be interested.
I personally have heard many ignorant people say the exact same thing. I think the common man is intimidated and threatened by anyone who appears "smarter" than they are. That's why they make comments like yours.
But the viewers treat the film as something that is out of this world and that it must require rigorous efforts to come up with the ideas discussed in the film.
I want to end my thoughts on the film's audience by saying this, people need to seek knowledge outside of what they are taught or from films, they must seek greater knowledge, look at the works of philosophers to truly gain wisdom, other wise you'll make a fool of yourself and look as if you can only learn by watching a movie. (cont.)
(I meant to put 'great' after 'so-called' in my last comment)
Fools they are, as they ignore all other ideas made by intelligent men, and treat their precious wisdom-giving film as a work of greater philosophical merit than those of men such as Descartes, where the film gains some inspiration. The makers of the film might have wanted to introduce philosophy to the layman in a way that he will enjoy--an action film.
I find it humorous how an individual (who at first might not have had any interest in the studies of philosophy) can watch a film made by learned men, who imbue their philosophical knowledge into their creation, and then suddenly feel as if they know everything that needs to be known. They are filled with such great pride and feel wise enough that they can instruct others on philosophy and share their great so- called knowledge.
my brother asked me a similar question - what if the world we live in isn't real? what if we live inside an illusion? what if the real world is different?
but the answer is simple- it doesnt matter. because the "real world" cannot affect the "dream world" and vice versa - we just have to live according to only the world we know. it doesn't matter if it is real or not, until one of the worlds will affect the other.
@jnbate2k6 how can it not be related with philosophy? Why they talk then? Use word *world* or *society* or *people* or anything instead of Matrix and you will see. It is called METAPHORICA, they wouldn't say in the movie words government, conspiracy and etc. Just forget about it and wait until you understand.
Guys, read Stephen Hawking basics... "Short History of time". He said that ( I quote so worst) If we knew why we are here and why we exist,,,,that means we know how God thinks////Hmmmm??? I love Matrix, it's my blood.
@DarkwingScooter Thanks Darkwing. And for some reason big bang changed nick to matrixdeciphered. The philosophical text is still there though. Thx again.
Such a shame that for all of Descartes' greatness that he tortured animals in experiments. He didn't extend his philosophy of the existence of consciousness to all living things - specifically, to non-humans. This problem of disconnected minds - how does one mind know another mind exists, and in what body? - still exists today.
Negative. Descartes made a huge error in saying "Thinking Thing" ... how does he know he's a thing? The only thing he proved was that thinking existed. "Thing" has become a huge branch in its own as it contradicts everything Descartes was trying to teach.
And don't heckle my person explaination of a multidementional curved bent, FAST, scarey, tunnel curving roller coaster, get on a boat to just sail cuz it's so much easier perception.
When his lungs and throat full with matalic like stuff, what is that sound? It was feeling. I'm quite sure. It felt like an electrocutive wake up. You can feel it. If you decide to take these feelings and decide them all to your own.
Space - As many grains of sand of the Earth, there are billions of times more of stars in our single galaxy.
what if the world wasnt what you thought it was, what if fantasy turned to become real. what if we are not alone? christianity and muhammad, what is religion, what if we are programmed to believe what our parents taught us to believe, what about the individual believing what they want to believe, why cant we control our own "fate" what is reality when reality turns to become fantasy once more. why is men dominate amongst beings, what if we could access the world we dont see?
No matter how many people Neo or Zion takes out of the Matrix it still doesnt matter because regardless if they know it or not theyre still in a movie and they will never truely exist. Kind of makes you wonder if youre in a matrix or a movie
The brain isn't fully developed until the early 20's (~22 years of age, mostly), so you should definitely wait. I took LSD when I was 17, and had a fucked up mind from 17-19, not feeling "restored" (short and long-term memory, rational thought, learning etc took a severe beating) until the later half of my 20th year.
If you decide to embark on a trip anyway, start with a SMALL dose and work your way up in case you want more. And read up on MAOI inhibitors, crucial for ze body
yeah thanks. i never really was interested in trying any of the hardcore chemical shit anyways... but ill try anything natural, like i smoke alot of cannibis and i would be interested in like shrroms and salvia but im gonna try to stave off any synthesized stuff untill university aha...
@Guitarscreech06 LOL I thinik its funny that people believe they're unlocking the mysteries of the universe when brain chemistry is altered by external forces rather than self realization through contemplation. The question isn't "when." the question should be "why." Why do drugs at all if enlightenment gained through clear awareness is obviously a more permanent, non-artificial means to that end. Otherwise ones forced into a state of mind that lacks the control of will.
I just went to the library and read his 'methods'. What a great thinker he was. just like Alan Watts, Terence Mckenna and Huxley. Krishnamurti is also a man to check out, i think. He had some great ideas and even solutions. "one must completely die to know what love is". But my philosopher buds, don't forget to think for yourself.
Im studying this in university and one argument against him is: how can one be sure that this so called "evil genius" isnt also controlling your thoughts? Thus your thoughts may not be your own and even that may not exist.
Clearly you don't get Descartes' argument. In his Meditations he supposes that the 'evil genius' might be deceiving him in ALL matters, even in logic and mathematics, and his thought. But even if the genius controls my thought, one thing that he can't do is REMOVE thought from me. The fact that I THINK, perceive, or even doubt my very existence, presupposes that I exist. Put another way, the fact that he is controling my thoughts necessarily means that I exist, because I think
You're still having the thoughts though, it's unimportant what the origin of the thoughts are, you're still seeing the face world, you're still experiencing the fake thoughts on some level, so you're still real.
can somebody explain this to me? please introduce rene descartes to me. im in a little bit trouble about this philosopher so can somebody help me? thanks!
im going to tell you what they told me, Rene Descartes was trying to find something that would say that nothing exist, that everything he sees, even himself is not true, so the only way he came up that could make everything fake is that he is inconscious and some sort of evil genius is controlling him in some form and sending information to his brain to make it look real, but to make sense then he has to exist in somewhere because he is thinking so he is real
so if the idea of "evil genius" is true, then he has to exist somewhere else to make that statement true, because he has to be real so that the evil genius can send him the information, so there is where it came the "cogito ergo sum", "I think, therefore I am" in other word you know you are because you think, but you dont know if anything else is fake, and by the "I am" he means he is real.
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"I think therefore I am" only proves that thinking exists. The thinker within us thinks IT is us and we just accept it because we don't know any better. That thinking is the matrix. Thinking creates the matrix and is enmeshed in the matrix. We go along with it until we wake up (enlightenment). Then we see our true nature and the nature of the matrix (illusion). Only then are we free and only then are we truly alive. It takes what it takes to stay separate from the thinking and the matrix.
@stevensane1986 There is a book called "Thoughts Without a Thinker." The minor point it makes is that any "proof" of an entity behind thought is just another thought! (Remember Godel's "Incompleteness Theorem"?) What cannot be doubted is that "experience is," and it is always from "my" point of view. But note that this is not a "proof" of something implicit... rather it is just a statement of what is tacit.
there is no such thing as separate beings, only One Consciousness, just ONE and everything in this Universe is part of that One Consciousness which boils down to you.
We are all One Consciousness and fragments of that consciousness at the same time.
I think you're right. However, I would like to extend the idea of 2 different realities. 1) Objective reality-this is the absolute truth of all that is around us. Through our senses this world is partially (and I stress partially) revealed to us. 2) Subjective reality- is kind of what you explained, it is what we think/believe it is, it is the way we interpret reality #1. This is why 2 individuals and look at the same objective thing, and come to 2 different conclusions about it.
I agree. And something that frustrates me a lot of times is when people only believe that something is one way and not the other, and not believing that reality is subjective, and the same thing that have up to 50 perceptions!
when i had to write a paper for philosophy about Descartes section on radical doubt i actually used the matrix as an example i had no idea other people did this is great
Seems to me it all comes down to perception. Whats to say the characters in the Matrix are not suffering from paranoid delusions, maybe the Matrix is real and their interpretation is flawed...
Scientific instruments used to be called Philosophical Instruments supposedly... because science was natural philosophy... I found that pretty interesting. Everything that has an outside has an inside, and vice-versa... easiest way to understand metaphysics according to Alan Watts... love that guy
The matrix plays on a part of philosophy called Solipcism. As much as it is too do with
meta physics, and therefor rationalism, solipsism is a result of empiricism, everything is gained from sense experience, but if all sense experience is uncertain then the whole world is uncertain. That is what the matrix uses to make such an epic storyline.
Solipsism is stupid and ridiculous because it denies the existence of other minds. I believe we can infer the existence of conscious beings through a priori synthetic judgments.
The idea in solipsism is that our senses can be decieved, and if our senses can be decieved then nothing, in empiricism, can be certain. Ergo, Solipsism. A world of uncertainty.
great video. Metaphysics is the branch of philosophy that ultimately asks what is real. More importantly, it asks how are things related to one another to illustrate one unified reality. I just thought that mentioning the idea of relationships betweeen phenomena is central to a fundamental understanding of metaphysics. Thanks for posting.
The philosophy in The Matrix is simply extraordinary... The sad thing is, most people don't focus on, or realize anything significant when they watch the Matrix movies, they only see an action packed movie...
The philosophy of the Matrix represents a vast amount of possible interpretations of slavery within the world, such as: Government, Society, Religion, and more. The Matrix also touches on the philosophy on the determinism of the world, and it truly shows how we can never be certain of anything. There are no life forms of this world that can know the future, and all th
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Alahaivideolapulak 2 weeks ago
I am, therefore I think.
madderbass 3 months ago
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The ego is a parasite that blocks us from our divinity
MrChimko 3 months ago
I would think that the Pentagon would like us to not go down the rabbit hole...One can read many things into this but in essence it is about choosing between staying in your own little bubble (blue pill) or being curious about the world/universe and learning about it (red pill). Where one takes it after that is up to individual interpretation.
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youneekk 4 months ago
So is this contrasting "cogito ergo sum" with the idea of a Matrix? I would have though cogito ergo sum was still valid even if we do live in a matrix? I might have got the wrong end of the stick here though...
teevanator 4 months ago
Zen Buddhism is a great antidote for the illusion of dualism...the irony being that this sentence is, in and of itself, dualistic...that said, give it a try :-)
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The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
is it true the movie matrix was written by someone who worked in the pentagon?
Throwdownsoldier 4 months ago
@Throwdownsoldier No, it was written by The Wachowski Brothers.
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ORTmusic 5 months ago
its like the rittle ( spelling wrong ) that i cant soulve..
there are 2 doors one leeds to heaven and one to hell and there are 2 guards one always lies and one always tell the truth and u dont know whos lying and whos thelling the truth and u can only ask them one question to go to heaven what is the answe/ question the one who told me this rittle said the secret is to think simple and i cant and he wont tell me the answer.. ANY HEELLPP??? PLZ??
thegreenghost1000 5 months ago
@thegreenghost1000 I think the solution would be:
you ask them "If the guard was the other guard who would he say is telling the truth"
1. The lying guard assuming the role of the truthful guard would say that the other guard is the truthful since saying otherwise is truthful.
2.The truthful guard assuming the role of the lying guard would say that he is.
I hope you get it but generally who ever answers " me "to the question is the truthful guard.
kaptayn23 5 months ago
illuminati
rryder64x 5 months ago
@rryder64x ugh and i thought i could get away from that shit! but i can't, i can't...I CAN"T, AHHHHHHHH! nah just kidding, i know that every conspiracy is, in itself, a conspiracy. you dig?
facecheek 5 months ago
How you define Fake? If Reality is a illusion than why do we feel pain, a illusion world that can feel pain? Please explain the " I think therefore Iam"
Entei2000 6 months ago
@Entei2000 everything is an illusion so it cancles out resulting in everything being "real". if u imagine a man travelling from africa to asia with a heavy bag that hurts his hands from carrying it, to u the man is imaginary and u created rules for your imaginary world aka heavy items can cause pain but to the man the pain is real. so in effect we are "intelligent illusions". these concepts were beyond decartes imo, so he simplified it by saying being aware of being aware is enough to be reality
TheVariableConstant 6 months ago
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This movie is right that there is a truth that is hidden from us because our minds are not free. However, it is not the fantasy that this movie portrays, and it has nothing to do with computers or a matrix. To seek the truth go to truthcontest(dot)com and read The Present.
DemianHermann 7 months ago
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guysakar 7 months ago
People read way too much into these movies.
cravisd 8 months ago
@cravisd - that's only because some movies are made to portray certain ideas. The allegories in the Matirx are blatantly there.
kappy0405 8 months ago 3
@cravisd and others are too dumb to see the issue when put in their face. stop watching this and go back to watching America's next top model!
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youneekk 8 months ago
@MrAussieJules You give Americans more credit than most. Lets hope you're right. As far as universal truths, its very hard to find a subject that everyone in the world agrees and acknowledges to be true. Ill give credit to science and mathematics because they're theories we base our existence on; however, people read literature like allegory in the cave and draw different conclusions based on their experiences. Universal truths are rare to find can you name one not related to science or math?
saradrai 8 months ago
If you thought the matrix was good, you should watch Dark City. It basically has the same philosophical ideas as the matrix, but I think it's even better at showing those ideas.
ABdadaSURD 8 months ago
We live in the Matrix of Nature. How we perceive Nature is a function of primary principles common to all Life and social systems. See my channel video.
Mike10four 9 months ago
i thought it was about people being fooled by the news and going on as slaves to work being brainwashed and setting your mind free not
googlewhores 10 months ago
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What you say is true but there is no universal truth. Any false reality that one is being shown can suffice. The media providing misinformation is just one example. Another false reality might be the "American Dream." Its a false reality because we are institutionalized to believe that money and things make our existence. We value consumerism more than humanitarianism.
saradrai 10 months ago
@saradrai dont be unfair on the Americans - they are the most generous people i have met. Yes you can just puruse big cars etc in the US if you wish, but most Americans value life and kindness a lot more than the europeans I know. And I spent over 20 yrs living in France.... this supposedly 'workers paradise" pauperises people and sets them up as beggars to the state. And also makes them grab what they can and not give much ... paradoxical that init ? ...
MrAussieJules 8 months ago
@saradrai No universal truth ? that statement must be false then ... you must be joking - if that were so then noone would study Science (discovering universal laws) and no one would bother debating - it would just be a free for all anarchy. a bit like a socialist state... where the people have to cater for whims of the governing aristocracy .. or the messiah, in Obama's case.
MrAussieJules 8 months ago
if u completly under stand this u will go Fucking nuts
dkilo94 10 months ago
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jdmazz808 10 months ago
Dan Dennett BITCHES!!!!!
AtheistActivist 10 months ago
David Hume shit on Descartes
imsolive89 11 months ago
what is this documentary called? I want to watch the whole thing.
bestjkjb 11 months ago
That's it. I'm going to major in philosophy I just hope I won't go crazy lol
misskaneza 11 months ago
I dont agree with Descartes theory "I think therefore I exist", you exist even before you think , if you try to find out the origin of the existence I, you are heading towards a regression
tsureshkrishnan 11 months ago
@tsureshkrishnan That which exists doesn't nessecarily think but that which thinks obviously exists.
AEgamesFtw 11 months ago
I disagree with " I think therefore I am" Descartes makes the assumption that his type of logic is correct. Why is "If A then B" correct? He makes an unbased pre-sumption.
MrJesusNazi 1 year ago
@MrJesusNazi Descartes is using the law of non contradiction to support his claim. He is saying. I do not exist, for me to make that claim, i must exist. The only possible conclusion is that i exist. I doubt, therefore, i am.
1. ~A
2. ~~A
3. A.
Do you disagree with the statement if i doubt, there must exist something that doubts? do you think doubt can exist by itself? or are you challenging that doubt exists? something is doubting, that something is what i call I. I doubt I. I can't not exist
geilman 1 year ago
Only things that exist can act; thinking is an action; therefore, if something thinks, it exists. "Am" implies existence. Therefore if I think, then I exist.
Obversity 11 months ago
@Obversity
It's an analytic truth. But geilman spelled out Descartes' reasoning.
Obversity 11 months ago
Reality is what you make it.
Reality is yours only and it's here for your examination and genuine manipulation.
We earthlings are here to find love and procreate instinctively like the rest of the earthly organisms. We are also here to fear , to be angry and sad (it's an imperfect, seemingly raw and unforgiving universe to be a part of but its meant to be analyzed and made better by it's own energy,, the energy of conscious life,,, US )
The universe isn't merely Around us but Within us.
TikiKid 1 year ago
The film teaches some interesting ideas, but they are just a sample of what there is to be learned by studying philosophy.
Remember, you might have finished basic training, but you're not the baddest man on the face of the earth, you're just a common soldier.
You know,just because you learned something cool, it doesn't mean you know everything, so stop acting all wise and shit, there is more for you to learn.
iakodu 1 year ago 40
@iakodu "Wisdom lies neither in fixity nor in change, but in the dialectic between the two." - Octavio Paz
I think the movie, the documentary and everyone participating in a ‘philosophical’ discussion (including you) is doing quite a job.
bzonder 1 year ago 27
@bzonder I just want the viewers of The Matrix to stop acting like they're Socrates, I find that kind of behavior insufferable.
iakodu 1 year ago 9
@iakodu I'm sorry- isn't it better that people are using new media for things like philosophy rather than things like shouting at each other, spreading prejudice and justin bieber?
FromRooToYou 1 year ago
@iakodu Why? Socrates talked to anyone and everyone about philosophy. Anybody who thinks or even WONDERS about the world around them, who they are or why the world is the way it is is a philosopher! A lover of wisdom! Everyone is a thinking thing so it's everybody's nature and right to think and express themselves. Sure, some people might just be talking pseudo-philosophical bullshit but hey, that's how Socrates was thought of at the time. Stop trying to suppress the common man from thinking.
PhilosophyDigest 10 months ago
@iakodu hahaha not our fault all you talk about is football and we bore you with things that actually acquire thinking...
mrtrollmaster1 9 months ago
@iakodu Your behavior too
captainparady 9 months ago
@iakodu I have to agree here. I loved how The Matrix Trilogy incorporated metaphysics, religion and mythology, but just because you watch all three movies doesn't mean you are a Doctor of Philosophy. I believe the series is a great primer for people who want to learn more, but it's not the end all, be all sum of knowledge. I hate these freakin' hipsters who think that because they 'get' The Matirx Trilogy, then they 'get' everything. Arrogant sods, the lot of them.
GinXYZ 9 months ago
@bzonder - Ipso facto, baby....to LOL or not to LOL, that is the question!
jamieblond1 10 months ago
@bzonder where can i find the documentary?
iiceman14 4 months ago
@iiceman14 The documentary is called "Philosophy and the Matrix: Return to the Source"
The full version is viewable on Youtube. As I'm not allowed to post a link, you have to look it up yourself.
Peace, B
bzonder 4 months ago
@iakodu Right, we must continue to seek truth. As Lao Tzu said, "it is better to know that you do not know than to pretend that you know." You might be interested in checking out this site I found that is dedicated to seeking truth. Search "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. Pass it on to anyone who you think might be interested.
vividDC 10 months ago
@iakodu
I personally have heard many ignorant people say the exact same thing. I think the common man is intimidated and threatened by anyone who appears "smarter" than they are. That's why they make comments like yours.
itcanbecheezcaketime 5 months ago
But the viewers treat the film as something that is out of this world and that it must require rigorous efforts to come up with the ideas discussed in the film.
I want to end my thoughts on the film's audience by saying this, people need to seek knowledge outside of what they are taught or from films, they must seek greater knowledge, look at the works of philosophers to truly gain wisdom, other wise you'll make a fool of yourself and look as if you can only learn by watching a movie. (cont.)
iakodu 1 year ago
(I meant to put 'great' after 'so-called' in my last comment)
Fools they are, as they ignore all other ideas made by intelligent men, and treat their precious wisdom-giving film as a work of greater philosophical merit than those of men such as Descartes, where the film gains some inspiration. The makers of the film might have wanted to introduce philosophy to the layman in a way that he will enjoy--an action film.
iakodu 1 year ago
I find it humorous how an individual (who at first might not have had any interest in the studies of philosophy) can watch a film made by learned men, who imbue their philosophical knowledge into their creation, and then suddenly feel as if they know everything that needs to be known. They are filled with such great pride and feel wise enough that they can instruct others on philosophy and share their great so- called knowledge.
iakodu 1 year ago
Life is love and die ? Life is cosmic orgasm ? Life is God's love ? Life is preparation for ...
Neroscot 1 year ago
Life is a simulation made by our own thoughts.
Apocalyptikai 1 year ago
Like Neo really understood what Morpheus was attempting to state! Neo looks like he is lost. Neo was looking for the delorean to get back to 1985.
123attivo 1 year ago
my brother asked me a similar question - what if the world we live in isn't real? what if we live inside an illusion? what if the real world is different?
but the answer is simple- it doesnt matter. because the "real world" cannot affect the "dream world" and vice versa - we just have to live according to only the world we know. it doesn't matter if it is real or not, until one of the worlds will affect the other.
kidi1232 1 year ago
People still don't understand the Matrix. They are watching it like some great science fiction movie, and not like philosophy movie.
Zh0rik 1 year ago
@Zh0rik The movie is terrible
lokol456 1 year ago
@Zh0rik what has philosophy got to do with it I thought the matrix was a virtual world created by A.I (which is science)
jnbate2k6 1 year ago
@jnbate2k6 how can it not be related with philosophy? Why they talk then? Use word *world* or *society* or *people* or anything instead of Matrix and you will see. It is called METAPHORICA, they wouldn't say in the movie words government, conspiracy and etc. Just forget about it and wait until you understand.
Zh0rik 1 year ago
Row, Row, Row your boat......
DonFormica 1 year ago
@DonFormica I don't get it..... what do you mean???? :P
acdc14terrace 1 year ago
damn Neo i knew u went to the right door ! :P
TolHydra 1 year ago
awesome ! where can i watch the entire thing ?
Chemgirl99 1 year ago
along with Matrix, I think Inception did a pretty good job in putting in some of Descartes' philosophy.
IranahyeNotVTEC 1 year ago
we know: that we are
what we feel
that we percieve
3 things
i think therefore i am????
so in a trance i am not???
or does he mean "i CAN think therefore i am"?
it's still rubbish
rationalist nonsense
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime
in trance you think about so much bullshit and you still do that :)
vaysipa 1 year ago
@vaysipa You FEEL therefore you are
btw i didn't understand what you said
natmanprime 1 year ago
I'll take the red pill... you, philosophers, take the blu one, or your object of smartness dissapears into the Warch bro brains...
And sorry, I'll take Neo with me.
TheMara61 1 year ago
Guys, read Stephen Hawking basics... "Short History of time". He said that ( I quote so worst) If we knew why we are here and why we exist,,,,that means we know how God thinks////Hmmmm??? I love Matrix, it's my blood.
TheMara61 1 year ago
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IMTrinity4ever 1 year ago
@IMTrinity4ever The thing you should probably start with is this:
/watch?v=UQfRdl3GTw4
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter Thanks Darkwing. And for some reason big bang changed nick to matrixdeciphered. The philosophical text is still there though. Thx again.
IMTrinity4ever 1 year ago
@IMTrinity4ever I'm not saying that... those are Stephen Hawking's final words from Short History of Time
TheMara61 1 year ago
most awesome philosophy professor ever
k0n14k 1 year ago
I think, therefore I THINK I am.
LIEDMUCHRAD 1 year ago
Such a shame that for all of Descartes' greatness that he tortured animals in experiments. He didn't extend his philosophy of the existence of consciousness to all living things - specifically, to non-humans. This problem of disconnected minds - how does one mind know another mind exists, and in what body? - still exists today.
nahaymath 1 year ago
Negative. Descartes made a huge error in saying "Thinking Thing" ... how does he know he's a thing? The only thing he proved was that thinking existed. "Thing" has become a huge branch in its own as it contradicts everything Descartes was trying to teach.
NasGOAT 1 year ago
And don't heckle my person explaination of a multidementional curved bent, FAST, scarey, tunnel curving roller coaster, get on a boat to just sail cuz it's so much easier perception.
Kimble275 1 year ago
When his lungs and throat full with matalic like stuff, what is that sound? It was feeling. I'm quite sure. It felt like an electrocutive wake up. You can feel it. If you decide to take these feelings and decide them all to your own.
Space - As many grains of sand of the Earth, there are billions of times more of stars in our single galaxy.
Kimble275 1 year ago
Also. I was in a coma. And I heard what neo heard, I think a writter was also in a coma.
Kimble275 1 year ago
You guys are twits! It's the SOUND your looking. There is no sound in vacuu. Only energetic compression.
Kimble275 1 year ago
Neo: "the truth?"
Morphius: "that you Neo are into bondage"
stonem001 1 year ago
Descartes was the master of metaphysics and the father of modern philosophy.
Matthew2400 1 year ago
Os comentarios poderiam se em lingua portuguesa.Assim eu poderia da r aulas com esse video.
vantun67 1 year ago
fiction mimics reality!
jetlorider 1 year ago
what if the world wasnt what you thought it was, what if fantasy turned to become real. what if we are not alone? christianity and muhammad, what is religion, what if we are programmed to believe what our parents taught us to believe, what about the individual believing what they want to believe, why cant we control our own "fate" what is reality when reality turns to become fantasy once more. why is men dominate amongst beings, what if we could access the world we dont see?
blood90snickerz 1 year ago
The story of the Matrix is the story of THIS world (christianity in particular):
1. Five references to "Jesus Christ" in the first film.
2. Morpheus conveys that one was born *inside* the matrix, but this is impossible (virgin birth) as everyone *inside* the matrix was "grown."
3. Metaphorical reference to Christ in Neo's resurrection.
4. Morpheus espouses the "zionist" view that the messiah will be a flesh and blood man who arises to liberate Zion.
jayorama1 1 year ago
No matter how many people Neo or Zion takes out of the Matrix it still doesnt matter because regardless if they know it or not theyre still in a movie and they will never truely exist. Kind of makes you wonder if youre in a matrix or a movie
RobtheBig 1 year ago
@RobtheBig you are in the matrix
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
Reality is a reflection of one's own mind, so it must follow that to improve one's mind the world improves around one.
Jammieg001 1 year ago
to me the idea of an simulated reality is just as believable as any religion, if not more.
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TedDGPoulos 1 year ago
lol my equation of life- Ambiguous teenager+cannabis+contemporay philosphy+ pen and paper= amazing independent and free thoughts. try it sometime.
xxTheILLPilLxx 1 year ago
@xxTheILLPilLxx you should try LSD
tranchilizant 1 year ago
@tranchilizant
ive been thinking of doing stuff like that, like shrooms ans stuff but i think i should wait until i graduate high school. just in case ya know?
xxTheILLPilLxx 1 year ago
@xxTheILLPilLxx
The brain isn't fully developed until the early 20's (~22 years of age, mostly), so you should definitely wait. I took LSD when I was 17, and had a fucked up mind from 17-19, not feeling "restored" (short and long-term memory, rational thought, learning etc took a severe beating) until the later half of my 20th year.
If you decide to embark on a trip anyway, start with a SMALL dose and work your way up in case you want more. And read up on MAOI inhibitors, crucial for ze body
Guitarscreech06 1 year ago
@Guitarscreech06
yeah thanks. i never really was interested in trying any of the hardcore chemical shit anyways... but ill try anything natural, like i smoke alot of cannibis and i would be interested in like shrroms and salvia but im gonna try to stave off any synthesized stuff untill university aha...
xxTheILLPilLxx 1 year ago
@Guitarscreech06 LOL I thinik its funny that people believe they're unlocking the mysteries of the universe when brain chemistry is altered by external forces rather than self realization through contemplation. The question isn't "when." the question should be "why." Why do drugs at all if enlightenment gained through clear awareness is obviously a more permanent, non-artificial means to that end. Otherwise ones forced into a state of mind that lacks the control of will.
Lamentfordeath 1 year ago
i got a new philosophy, the matrix in a matrix in a matrix in a matrix ... ect
SonLastName 1 year ago
@SonLastName nothing new, check out the Mandelbrot Set. Everything is made up of itself ad infinitum
gabbledegak 1 year ago
Wha is the name of this documentary?
Superegio42 1 year ago
Life is a simulation.
762AnimalMother 1 year ago 6
@762AnimalMother Maxis Software and Electronic Arts have that covered.
AmonBabii 1 year ago
@762AnimalMother i thought it was a theatre?!
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
I just went to the library and read his 'methods'. What a great thinker he was. just like Alan Watts, Terence Mckenna and Huxley. Krishnamurti is also a man to check out, i think. He had some great ideas and even solutions. "one must completely die to know what love is". But my philosopher buds, don't forget to think for yourself.
Greetz From Belgium.
texasB666 1 year ago
@texasB666 Alduos Huxley is absolutely one of my heros.
DocMcFluhry 1 year ago
This movie taught me to think about the big questions when I watch a good movie.
eedobaba7726 1 year ago
Je pense; donc, je suis
onemanband1963 1 year ago
"I think, therefore I am."
This quote has been the reason I live.
Peter1992t 1 year ago
I loved the movie the Matrix. It raised very good arguments about reality and was just awesome!
Matthew2400 1 year ago
All this mental masturbation is making me hungry!
qigong1001 1 year ago
how do u favorite a video????
poopchunk3 1 year ago
@poopchunk3 u dont
depri87 1 year ago
@depri87 ok.
poopchunk3 1 year ago
I like this. "Cogito ergo sum". Unless, you will study philosophy you will never understand this quotes.
"I think therefore, I am" I understand this. This is called "Methodic doubt".
nirvanarupali 1 year ago
what documentary is this!?
omarlives 1 year ago
Im studying this in university and one argument against him is: how can one be sure that this so called "evil genius" isnt also controlling your thoughts? Thus your thoughts may not be your own and even that may not exist.
ASSASSINgamer 2 years ago
@ASSASSINgamer
Clearly you don't get Descartes' argument. In his Meditations he supposes that the 'evil genius' might be deceiving him in ALL matters, even in logic and mathematics, and his thought. But even if the genius controls my thought, one thing that he can't do is REMOVE thought from me. The fact that I THINK, perceive, or even doubt my very existence, presupposes that I exist. Put another way, the fact that he is controling my thoughts necessarily means that I exist, because I think
hammjd2 2 years ago 15
You're still having the thoughts though, it's unimportant what the origin of the thoughts are, you're still seeing the face world, you're still experiencing the fake thoughts on some level, so you're still real.
robespierre91 1 year ago
everything is relative - Albert Einstein
Fomze 2 years ago
@Fomze Including this sentece? :>
metal87power 2 years ago
@metal87power indeed :D
Fomze 2 years ago
I think there for i am.
can somebody explain this to me? please introduce rene descartes to me. im in a little bit trouble about this philosopher so can somebody help me? thanks!
as7asd 2 years ago 2
@as7asd No worth of studing.
metal87power 2 years ago
@as7asd
im going to tell you what they told me, Rene Descartes was trying to find something that would say that nothing exist, that everything he sees, even himself is not true, so the only way he came up that could make everything fake is that he is inconscious and some sort of evil genius is controlling him in some form and sending information to his brain to make it look real, but to make sense then he has to exist in somewhere because he is thinking so he is real
RandomRept1le 2 years ago
He wasn't trying to find that. He found it, in the early meditations at least, necessary
JiubLink 1 year ago
@as7asd
so if the idea of "evil genius" is true, then he has to exist somewhere else to make that statement true, because he has to be real so that the evil genius can send him the information, so there is where it came the "cogito ergo sum", "I think, therefore I am" in other word you know you are because you think, but you dont know if anything else is fake, and by the "I am" he means he is real.
RandomRept1le 2 years ago
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brunoabdon 2 years ago
Why are all the philosophers so whacked out?
legendapoju22 2 years ago
Because fools like you will be slaves to their world.
Tinnesa 2 years ago 4
@legendapoju22 Only idealists. :>
metal87power 2 years ago
"I think therefore I am" only proves that thinking exists. The thinker within us thinks IT is us and we just accept it because we don't know any better. That thinking is the matrix. Thinking creates the matrix and is enmeshed in the matrix. We go along with it until we wake up (enlightenment). Then we see our true nature and the nature of the matrix (illusion). Only then are we free and only then are we truly alive. It takes what it takes to stay separate from the thinking and the matrix.
livenowdoing 2 years ago 12
i a thesis paper comparing allegory of the cave to the matrix
lightthiscity11 2 years ago
@livenowdoing ""I think therefore I am" only ptoves that thinking exists." - Not so. It proves that a thinking THING exists. An important difference.
stevensane1986 1 year ago
@stevensane1986 Yes, the thinking thing is the thinking.
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crookedfinger13 1 year ago
@stevensane1986 There is a book called "Thoughts Without a Thinker." The minor point it makes is that any "proof" of an entity behind thought is just another thought! (Remember Godel's "Incompleteness Theorem"?) What cannot be doubted is that "experience is," and it is always from "my" point of view. But note that this is not a "proof" of something implicit... rather it is just a statement of what is tacit.
crookedfinger13 1 year ago
this shit's trippy
cripple128 2 years ago
Would like to know what the Matrix is?
It is You, You are the Matrix
there is no such thing as separate beings, only One Consciousness, just ONE and everything in this Universe is part of that One Consciousness which boils down to you.
We are all One Consciousness and fragments of that consciousness at the same time.
We are the ones who is creating the Illusion.
bigsteelguy 2 years ago
what a bunch of mad nonsense u r spinning out!
mrfatd 2 years ago
It sounds like nonsense doesn't but apparently it's true.
We are the matrix.
Remember the boy who could bend spoons? He said trying to bend the spoon does not work, only when you see there is no spoon will it bend.
We are in an illusion reality, it looks real, sounds real, feels real, but it's not Real.
bigsteelguy 2 years ago
Yes, possible, but then, what is real? Seems like this argument stumbles upon the subjective definitions of what is "real".
JiubLink 1 year ago
This Reality is only real to what our five senses can pick up.
Apparently there is much more than what we perceive.
We just don't know how to add in our other senses.
bigsteelguy 1 year ago 7
i know how to, come to mention it, my spider sense is tingling.....
scottishlad1987 1 year ago
Pineal gland has something to do with it, in my opinion
JiubLink 1 year ago
Perhaps, but you could only ask such questions from a normative viewpoint.
ensayne 1 year ago
Well, after some hardcore debating, I've concluded upon a simple but satisfactory answer.
Reality is whatever you think it is. If you think it is, then your mind believes it, and whatever the mind believes is true IS true.
The movie of course is spectacular and does stimulate a lot of thought and debate on the philosophies
phoneylala90 1 year ago
@phoneylala90
I think you're right. However, I would like to extend the idea of 2 different realities. 1) Objective reality-this is the absolute truth of all that is around us. Through our senses this world is partially (and I stress partially) revealed to us. 2) Subjective reality- is kind of what you explained, it is what we think/believe it is, it is the way we interpret reality #1. This is why 2 individuals and look at the same objective thing, and come to 2 different conclusions about it.
garveya1 1 year ago
@garveya1
I agree. And something that frustrates me a lot of times is when people only believe that something is one way and not the other, and not believing that reality is subjective, and the same thing that have up to 50 perceptions!
phoneylala90 1 year ago
when i had to write a paper for philosophy about Descartes section on radical doubt i actually used the matrix as an example i had no idea other people did this is great
iareilliterate 2 years ago 4
in actuality neo is still hooked up to the machine dreaming he beat the matrix.
Siberfang 2 years ago 2
Seems to me it all comes down to perception. Whats to say the characters in the Matrix are not suffering from paranoid delusions, maybe the Matrix is real and their interpretation is flawed...
fragmachine1 2 years ago 3
For that to work, you'd have to reject the idea, that what you're seeing and believing to be real is actually a paranoid delusion.
Seckser 2 years ago
solipsism
fede2 2 years ago
Scientific instruments used to be called Philosophical Instruments supposedly... because science was natural philosophy... I found that pretty interesting. Everything that has an outside has an inside, and vice-versa... easiest way to understand metaphysics according to Alan Watts... love that guy
Krupasc 2 years ago
The matrix plays on a part of philosophy called Solipcism. As much as it is too do with
meta physics, and therefor rationalism, solipsism is a result of empiricism, everything is gained from sense experience, but if all sense experience is uncertain then the whole world is uncertain. That is what the matrix uses to make such an epic storyline.
christophcooneyoff 2 years ago
Solipsism is stupid and ridiculous because it denies the existence of other minds. I believe we can infer the existence of conscious beings through a priori synthetic judgments.
pugnaciousboxer2 2 years ago
Prove the existance of other minds with kant's Conseptual schemas ? I suppose that would work..
christophcooneyoff 2 years ago
Solipsism isnt empiricist because it is not something that you can gain by watching, hearing, etc... its contradictory result xD
dejkola 2 years ago
The idea in solipsism is that our senses can be decieved, and if our senses can be decieved then nothing, in empiricism, can be certain. Ergo, Solipsism. A world of uncertainty.
christophcooneyoff 2 years ago
great video. Metaphysics is the branch of philosophy that ultimately asks what is real. More importantly, it asks how are things related to one another to illustrate one unified reality. I just thought that mentioning the idea of relationships betweeen phenomena is central to a fundamental understanding of metaphysics. Thanks for posting.
gsread 2 years ago
The philosophy in The Matrix is simply extraordinary... The sad thing is, most people don't focus on, or realize anything significant when they watch the Matrix movies, they only see an action packed movie...
TheAlexANGST 2 years ago 100
yea i know...
coolskaterlikeice 2 years ago
Finally, somebody that agrees with me. It took me 5 times to watch the first Matrix until i really understood the philosophy behind it all.
RacoonHat 2 years ago
The philosophy of the Matrix represents a vast amount of possible interpretations of slavery within the world, such as: Government, Society, Religion, and more. The Matrix also touches on the philosophy on the determinism of the world, and it truly shows how we can never be certain of anything. There are no life forms of this world that can know the future, and all th