Re: How Trustworthy IS Radiometric Dating of Rock?

[coolvideo28]

Bottom line ALL evolution dating techniques are based on the geologic column that doesnt exist anywere on Earth making All dating techniques an epic Failure/Fraud/ Scam

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 LOL, thanks for the laugh. It's been a tough week with classes but this kind of comment is always a hoot. Kind of like watching a teen skater crush their gonades on a failed rail slide. You know they were stupid as hell to do what they did, but it's still funny to watch.

[coolvideo28]

@SoCalAtheist No problem I feel the same way about your attampt at making a valid argument for one of the biggest scams on earth. Its like you feel bad for those who fall for evolution, but you cant help but laugh at all the stuff they believe based 100% on Faith while they try to stand there with a straght face and call it Science.

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 A scam? LOL the conspiracy mindset is strong with you. You keep believing that and let reality just pass you by.

I do find it interesting that you're trying to redefine "faith" as that which can be confirmed by experiment, observation or both (not normally how "faith" is defined). Perhaps you should review your vocabulary and definitions.

[coolvideo28]

@SoCalAtheist It is you tthat is falling for a Scam if you want to learn some real Science go check out my Favorite Videos. also there is not 1 piece of evidence for evolution Not 1.

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 "Hydroplate theory" "Grand Canyon as evidence for a world wide flood (though the heat produced by limestone in the Grand Canyon itself falsifies the genesis flood)", etc. I've seen and dealt with all such claims. They're bad science and worse, bad thinking.

As for evidence for the theory of evolution as it is today, it is overwhelming. Books detailing that evidence (and citing verifiable sources) fill thousands of pages and still not all the evidence is in popular print.

You fail.

[coolvideo28]

@SoCalAtheist HAHAAA What ??? You said "(though the heat produced by limestone in the Grand Canyon itself falsifies the genesis flood" Wow just wow. You state this nonsense then dare to say fail to me ohhh thanks for the laugh seriously thank you. Yes lies are often very long because when the lie is found out all kinds of new lies are required to try to hide the original lie. There is Not 1 piece of evidence for evol. But please show me fossils from 1 animal to the next Please prove me wrong

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 You obviously know little about chemistry. The heat of formation of calcium carbonate is 1200Kj/mol. There is about 10^19 moles of CaCO3 in the grand canyon region (Colorado plateau). That would have produced about 10^27 joules of heat as it formed. Enough to boil all the water on the planet if it was laid down in a short time, like a global flood. It would require millions of years of to cool. Or be laid down slowly. Again, it falsifies the genesis flood.

Check it out yourself.

[coolvideo28]

@SoCalAtheist , shale, slate, chalk, travertine, and marble. Eggshells are made of almost 95% calcium carbonate. Limstone made of calcite (calcium carbonate). The primary source of this mineral is the remains of marine animals These organisms secrete calcium carbonate which forms their protective shells. Upon their death the shells break apart and dissolve. The accumulation and recrystallization of seashells cements other sediments together upon drying, forming limestone, Proving The flood

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 Your syllogism is a non-sequitur. Your points about calcium carbonate are valid, however, slow deposition and remodeling of the CaCO3 into different polymorphs are also consistent (more so). Also, your syllogism fails to account for the heat release in the formation of CaCO3, you simply ignored it. And did you consider the biomass that would have need to be in the oceans preflood to account for the deposition? You've actually provided more falsification for a global flood than me.

[coolvideo28]

It doesnt take long amounts of time it only takes a catastrophic event its proven by real Science how are fossils formed in the exact conditions a world wide flood happened. Ex were are most Dinousours found in dried up lake beads why? they needed tons literaly of water thats were they lived & died. Try watching my favorite videos with an open mind and your eyes will B open to the truth. I have nothing against U I just want to show U the truth if your interested in the truth

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 Wrong. To account for the the heat produced (and hence needed to get rid of), the sequential nature of the depositional layers a long time is need.

As for dinos living near water, well they did and didn't. They lived in ecological niches like animals today. Why do we find more fossils in sediment deposited in water, because those conditions are more likely to lead to fossilization. Like you're more likely to find a meteorite in a desert than in a forest. Because .....

[SoCalAtheist]

@SoCalAtheist desert conditions tend to keep meteorites near the surface with in forests they get buried but detritus.

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 This response is a perfect example of the bad science/thinking that I mentioned earlier. Consider carefully your claims. Know the science behind them. If you do that then you have no other option than to abandon the biblical flood claims.

[coolvideo28]

@coolvideo28 I was taught evolution, I realized it isnt real science so I went searching 4 the truth & found it The Bible Gods living word Jesus only thing that will ever fill that emptyness inside. I know the truth because I searched until I found it I didnt buy into anything Anyone said. U were taught evolution & not trying to B mean, but U fell for it, its not Science at all it has not 1 shred of evidence without Faith it doesnt exist. use common sense & U will C the truth.

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 What you claim to realize and what actually is are to different things. Evolution is science in every sense. It's testable (and has passed those tests), its falsifiable (yet no matter how hard creationists have tried it has not been falsified), its observable (both forensically and presently), it makes testable predictions, etc. And unlike your fictional belief about it, there are mountains of evidence supporting it. You make many claims about evolution, yet shown none to be valid.

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 We became a little distracted by CaCO3. However a polymorph of CaCO3, chalk, provides one example of exactly what you're asking. The evolution in the morphology of foramenifera can be traced for millions of years in that depositional sediment. Ad to that the tyrannosaur, equine, hominid, Ceratopsidae, aves, mammilian, Sarcopterygii, ...Actually to list all the known transitional fossil series would take an entire book. Images of most of these fossils are on line.

[coolvideo28]

@SoCalAtheist What U dont understand is that Your whole argument proves a Global flood & the ironic part is U brought it up. Did U know that limestone is approx 2% of the earths crust. Now how can that B all these sea shells all over the ground ? ill tell U how a global flood washed them all over the earth even on mountain tops & just like fossils were formed by layers being layed down during flood so the limestone gets formed in the same way its realy simple if U open your mind 2 common sense

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 Yes, and is found interleaved with marine sandstones and shales, fresh water shales, subaerial sandstones, erosional depositions (like those formed as mountains error), and showing surface erosional features indicating they were modified after lithifaction and then reburied. All evidence of sequential processes, not a one time global flood. And yet again you've failed to account for the heat produced during lithifaction. Common sense, given the information, tells me you're wrong.

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 And because information about these transitional fossil groups are freely available your question here is either based in simple ignorance, willful ignorance out out right dishonest (dishonesty is a common sin of creationists). Repair your ignorance and examine the data that exists. I suggest starting with "Evolution:What the Fossils Say and Why it Matters" by Prothero.

[coolvideo28]

@SoCalAtheist Its funny I ask for proof and you ignore the question completly then the next time you respond you say "And because information about these transitional fossil groups are freely available your question here is either based in simple ignorance" what do U call that ohhh ya FAIL. either bring the proof 1 set of trasitional fossils from 1 animal 2 the next or admit U cant because evolution is a Fairytale its that easy.

[SoCalAtheist]

@coolvideo28 Hm, not only did I give you examples in the transitional fossils groups I mentioned I also pointed you to a text that contains much of that evidence. You also attempted to quote mine me (poorly). You are simply dishonest (as expected for creationist-like people). I've given you the evidence, now...do you want me to hold your hand and walk you through it like I would a child?

[coolvideo28]

You want the truth search youtube for this video

Serious Problems With Radiometric DATING

[KaylinJH]

Great video! 5 celestial bodys of hot gases that radiate energy derived from thermonuclear reactions in their interiors..

[thevinerhyme]

That's funny seems you need the education I looked up all aproximately 35 main parent elements that break down into dughter isotopes and the global flood ONCE AGAIN provides all the ingredients necessary to cause rapid break-down of each one of these elements. And this according to government websites! It's common sense like fitting two pieces of a puzzle together until a full picture emerges. Many of the elements you discuse here are not even USED to date rock. Some are...many aren't!

[SoCalAtheist]

Ok, where is there any reference in the scientific literature that indicates that water (or any other chemical) has any effect on the radioactive decay rates of radioactive elements?

Secondly, Uranium/lead is used in dating, what we have here (in this video) is the decay chain from uranium to lead and the times associated those decays. Never do I indicate that all of these daughter elements are used to date rocks.

In the end, the noahcian flood remains an impossibility.

[machomaas]

I think you're confusing chemicals compounds with elements.

[SoCalAtheist]

Still waiting for those references about radioactive decay.

[DNAunion]

I'll second SoCalAtheist's request.

Please provide evidence from a valid scientific source that indicates a flood would change the rate of decay of the radioisotopes used to measure the age of the earth.

[messiahjonz]

well done.

[SoCalAtheist]

Thank you.

[lawilson200]

Bad, evil! Now I am going to be humming that tune all weekend! :-)

Okay, it was great! Five stars. I even liked the song!

[SoCalAtheist]

I know what you mean. I've had the song in my head since making this video.

Thank you for your comment and rating.