all the pro's throw their bottles away, they tend to only do it when there are spectators so they can pick them up and keep them as souvenirs if they wish. always happens, just watch the tour.
That is the famous Del Puerto Canyon, near Mines Road. Very remote area southeast of Livermore, Ca. The Tour of Cali goes through here almost every year. In CycleSport Mag, Jan 2012 issue, Fabain said he wasn't impressed when Tony Martin beat him for the World TT win last fall. I hope Fabian doesn't ride the ToC in 2012.
cool vid. considering how much litter is thrown on the streets these days, i dont think it impacts the environment any more than normal pedestrians. of cos, i think its bad etiquette for a sport, so i get ur point. if its a bottle, just pick it up and keep it (wish i could do that!) its as simple as putting it back in the cage or stuffing trash back in the jersey. they might fuse that its the weight :P
Huh?!? What?!? The bottle toss?!? From my career THAT IS where you do toss them, when you come across crowds, and not into open fields. Real cycling fans (Europe, I guess, not America) know that, and quite expect and enjoy doing their part; picking up, keeping and cleaning their "pro-used" water bottle. It's in the team budget. What's with the "behaving badly"?!?
@aydeeT I saw him. It's no big deal. Just a slightly unusual video. The real problem is the trash that the pros throw across the the countrysides that they race through. It's sickening every race to watch it on TV. Gerard Vroomen agrees with me by the way. Thanks for the comment.
@LorentJalabert yeah I completely agree with you I hate seeing them throwing bottles in the woods recklessly. however I'm sure they do some sort of clean up afterwards, at least I hope so.
theres supposed to be a cleaning wagon that follows them and cleans stuff up... and if there wasn't that day, you were there to clean it up for him =)
yeah it may be a little annoying chucking rubbish on the road but where else are u gonna put it? they are meant to throw them to people for gifts and the new tacx bottles (i think thats one) is biodegradable. i find it annoying when i hav to chuck a gel packet but thats not often- only when its dodgy as the race is going so fast + i need 2 hands.
@WEEMMEEM You're right, he is a busted flush, I saw his first scalp at Liege on first day of TDF 04, Fabian who? Times very much changed this last 18 months!!
@cocon57 Cancellara has lost a LOT of races lately, the races he used to dominate. He's borderline average since he left Riis management. Which is somewhat suspicious. Of course.
It is actually not prohibited for bike riders to throw their bottles away in zones where people are standing.
Since you are obviously standing there, with some of your friends, it is not bad behaviour.
So don't be worried to much about garbage spread over 100 miles of roadway, the enviroment has dealt with worse things.
Remember: Bike riders are allowd to throw their trash away in public zones, since bottles are great souveniers for people who love bike racing. Which you might don't.
@MrIkBenDeAllerBeste Hi MrlkBen. I enjoy the sport very much despite it's problems. Though I question my continued interest at times. Sport is the number one entertainment source in the world. It compels me to watch. I can't resist. I get sick when I see riders throwing trash in forests, rivers, mountains. Someday that will be illegal. You are right, there are much bigger polluters in the world. Cycling's proportion is tiny. But, it could be stopped so easily.
@JoelTGM Hi Joel. You are correct! It's not bad. The title just came to mind at the time. I do think that pros throwing garbage into streams and forests contradicts the spirit of the sport, and I see that all the time. My video here shows riders throwing bottles to spectators which is a great tradition in the sport. What I don't like is seeing bottles thrown into wildnerness, which they do all the time. Also, they throw food wrappers on road EVERY race. No spectators pick that up. Thanks!
@holli008 Hi HIolli. You may be correct. The only mainstream racing sport in the U.S might be nascar - possibly. Mainstream US sports have lots of problems too of course. I don't watch them, follow them very little. A little college football is as much as I can stomach. US sports or more about the business and less about sport. The only thing I know about US pro sports, I know From Jim Rome and Gary Radnich.
Maybe you don't understand, the fact is yes they drop their bottles. But usually they are taken by fans and spectators as souveiners, so the majority of the time the bottles are in fact picked up and recycled. If Fabian Cancellara dropped a drink bottle I would sure as hell want it.
@TheCraig324 Hi Craig. I understand, I just think fans shouldn't support it. The pros are trashing our roads, forests, lakes, rivers, all places that I've seen riders throw their trash. Here, Fabian acutally did throw his bottle near spectators which is the the best place right now, but there should be zones where the riders throw all their trash away. Thanks!
@OttoReints Hi Otto. Thanks for your comment. I think it's time that race promoters designate trash zones, say every 15 miles or so. Staff could be waiting there to pick up all their garbage. I don't know of any bottles that are 'biodegradeable. And their food wrappers aren't biodergradeable either. I'm looking forward to the race next month.
@WEEMMEEM I wouldn't worry about damage caused by pro racing - it's all the wanabee cyclists doing sportives who're cramming stupid gels in their mouths and throwing the wrappers at the road side. If guess many of them are doing this because they see the pros doing it too, so there is some blame going that way...
@EagleOfToledo HI Eagle. Yep, we're definitely an imitative species. Amatuer racers definitely have their own problems. I just think it's time that races designate trash zones so all their garbage isn't spread over 100 miles of road.. Thanks!
@nolf999 Thanks nolf. It's nothing special, but mildly interesting. It was a decent spot to watch the race, out in the middle of nowhere. The pace was pretty high, but they still had 50 miles to go into the central valley. It's pretty cool seeing the top pros sprint up the hills in a huge peleton and caravan. We rode 30 miles out to that spot from town - Livermore, Ca, which is a start town this year. Del Puerto Canyon and Mines roads are famous in norcal cyclilng. The TOC likes them too!
@nolf999 Thanks Nolf. It was pretty exciting. I am looking forward to the TOC next month. They have a summit finish on top of SIerra Road. It's going to be just like Alpe Du Huez!? Sierra climbs 2000' in 3 miles, a real monstor. Just like the Mortirolo in Italy or the Angliru in Spain! Exactly like it - as far as I can tell! The next day they'll be climbing the infamous SantaRosaCreek road between Cambria and Paso Robles. Nastly steep rotten decaying non-stop never ending pitches of steepness.
If you watch any amount of pro cycling stage races, they always throw their used bottles to the side of the road when they're done; they are handed full bottles by SAG. I doubt he was even thinking about "behaving."
@WEEMMEEM that is rather odd... but pros can't ride fast all the time. infact majority of training that professionals do is around 14-17mph vs the crazy speeds they do in racing. With having A LOT of races in the season, it's hard to plan out true recovery workouts or interval workouts when doing a bunch of stage races and more... some races have to be ridden easy as pro to ride fast in other races. saxo was there just so TOC sponsors could say they were there, them bein there is good media.
@chsspartan Not sure where you get the figures 14 - 17mph from, more like 22 - 23 mph easy riding for a pro I would have said. 14 - 17 mph is about what a moderately fit amateur would do on a flattish course taking it easy.
@mrwasbesonders ehh 23mph may be pushing it for a pro despite the yare pro i have seen cat 3 races average at 24mph as a group easily which they are considered an above entry level racer. None the less regardless of speed I don't think any type of training could be judge by speed, speed doesn't say too much since the pro could be on hills even. It's all about power nowadays it seems along with metabolic heart rate... which all that science is above me lol
@chsspartan You're right the terrain and being in a group and of course the size of the group makes a huge difference. But a friend of mine who knew a former pro said his steady miles were at about 22 - 23 miles per hour. I know a cat 2 rider who thinks nothing of averaging 20mph on longish rides. As for the science I totally agree, its gone mental, makes me wonder how Eddy Mercx and the like got on without all this stuff, probably very nicely I expect.
@WEEMMEEM, would you have preferred he hang onto the bottle and recycle it at the end of the day? The only people who try hard at the TOC are the ones who have no chance to win the TDF. It's a warm-up race. Riders who want a challenge are in Italy at that time. Thanks for posting the video, but the title is an unjustified slur.
@hagenar Hi Hagenar. Actually I would prefer that promoters designate trash zones so that racer's garbage isn't spread over 100 miles of roadway and surroundings. Riders do have pockets. I garuantee you that is in the future of the sport. Bottles are slightly different than the other garbage that riders throw on the ground, because they are souviniers. This video is actually pretty meaningless with minimal interest. The far bigger issue is where the riders throw thier trash. Thanks.
@pinkysgrl Hi pinkysgrl, Fabian threw his bottle at the road sign and turned to Andy Schleck and laughed about it. It's not a felony but I'm sick of seeing pros throw their garbage into the forests, in the rivers, in the roads, down cliffs, etc. They need drop off points for their garbage. A few riders were cited last year for littering in a race. It was a smaller race. Fabain is no different than any other pro, he just happens to be in my video. The sport needs to do something about it.
all the pro's throw their bottles away, they tend to only do it when there are spectators so they can pick them up and keep them as souvenirs if they wish. always happens, just watch the tour.
CHUNK360x 2 weeks ago
They ALL do that.
The smaller the sign, the more points it's worth.
RochesterCycling 2 weeks ago
That is the famous Del Puerto Canyon, near Mines Road. Very remote area southeast of Livermore, Ca. The Tour of Cali goes through here almost every year. In CycleSport Mag, Jan 2012 issue, Fabain said he wasn't impressed when Tony Martin beat him for the World TT win last fall. I hope Fabian doesn't ride the ToC in 2012.
LorentJalabert 1 month ago
@18secs...!
yenrodtheoriginal 3 months ago
cool vid. considering how much litter is thrown on the streets these days, i dont think it impacts the environment any more than normal pedestrians. of cos, i think its bad etiquette for a sport, so i get ur point. if its a bottle, just pick it up and keep it (wish i could do that!) its as simple as putting it back in the cage or stuffing trash back in the jersey. they might fuse that its the weight :P
jcc2150 3 months ago
At least FabiCan didn't throw a beer bottle at that street sign.
davepaff 3 months ago
Huh?!? What?!? The bottle toss?!? From my career THAT IS where you do toss them, when you come across crowds, and not into open fields. Real cycling fans (Europe, I guess, not America) know that, and quite expect and enjoy doing their part; picking up, keeping and cleaning their "pro-used" water bottle. It's in the team budget. What's with the "behaving badly"?!?
innismor11 3 months ago
Those bottles are biodegradable
krcmechelen 3 months ago
how do you know it was cancellara tho? lol I dun get it
aydeeT 3 months ago
@aydeeT I saw him. It's no big deal. Just a slightly unusual video. The real problem is the trash that the pros throw across the the countrysides that they race through. It's sickening every race to watch it on TV. Gerard Vroomen agrees with me by the way. Thanks for the comment.
LorentJalabert 3 months ago
@LorentJalabert yeah I completely agree with you I hate seeing them throwing bottles in the woods recklessly. however I'm sure they do some sort of clean up afterwards, at least I hope so.
aydeeT 3 months ago
Still waiting for the 'behaving badly' part...
DahRecruit 4 months ago
Such a bad boy, throwing a bottle away
SantiBotero 5 months ago
theres supposed to be a cleaning wagon that follows them and cleans stuff up... and if there wasn't that day, you were there to clean it up for him =)
meesimma 7 months ago
He might have done it so that someone notices the bottle... and picks it up..
alexl36 8 months ago
@alexl36 You have a point!
WEEMMEEM 7 months ago
@WEEMMEEM no he hasn't, it could bounce straight back out and into the group, whoosh and you're gone
davidoffon 4 weeks ago
@alexl36 Did what? Saw nothing as usual in these pathetic videos!
ronhaslam38 1 week ago
yeah it may be a little annoying chucking rubbish on the road but where else are u gonna put it? they are meant to throw them to people for gifts and the new tacx bottles (i think thats one) is biodegradable. i find it annoying when i hav to chuck a gel packet but thats not often- only when its dodgy as the race is going so fast + i need 2 hands.
keep it rubber side down !
MagaCow 8 months ago
I wish I could have snapped that bottle......
pigje 8 months ago
@pigje The impact against the sign broke the nipple off.
LorentJalabert 3 months ago
cancellara can do anything he wantss
cocon57 8 months ago 26
@cocon57 No he can't.
WEEMMEEM 8 months ago
@WEEMMEEM haters gonna hate
x5cycling 4 months ago
@WEEMMEEM You're right, he is a busted flush, I saw his first scalp at Liege on first day of TDF 04, Fabian who? Times very much changed this last 18 months!!
davidoffon 4 weeks ago
@cocon57 Cancellara has lost a LOT of races lately, the races he used to dominate. He's borderline average since he left Riis management. Which is somewhat suspicious. Of course.
LorentJalabert 3 months ago
It is actually not prohibited for bike riders to throw their bottles away in zones where people are standing.
Since you are obviously standing there, with some of your friends, it is not bad behaviour.
So don't be worried to much about garbage spread over 100 miles of roadway, the enviroment has dealt with worse things.
Remember: Bike riders are allowd to throw their trash away in public zones, since bottles are great souveniers for people who love bike racing. Which you might don't.
MrIkBenDeAllerBeste 10 months ago
@MrIkBenDeAllerBeste Hi MrlkBen. I enjoy the sport very much despite it's problems. Though I question my continued interest at times. Sport is the number one entertainment source in the world. It compels me to watch. I can't resist. I get sick when I see riders throwing trash in forests, rivers, mountains. Someday that will be illegal. You are right, there are much bigger polluters in the world. Cycling's proportion is tiny. But, it could be stopped so easily.
Thanks again!
Rob
WEEMMEEM 10 months ago
oh I see it, at 0:16 watch the street sign, he throws a bottle at it. I think that's funny, not bad behavior.
JoelTGM 10 months ago 3
@JoelTGM Hi Joel. You are correct! It's not bad. The title just came to mind at the time. I do think that pros throwing garbage into streams and forests contradicts the spirit of the sport, and I see that all the time. My video here shows riders throwing bottles to spectators which is a great tradition in the sport. What I don't like is seeing bottles thrown into wildnerness, which they do all the time. Also, they throw food wrappers on road EVERY race. No spectators pick that up. Thanks!
Rob
WEEMMEEM 10 months ago
@WEEMMEEM It saves weight.
teundilles 8 months ago
@WEEMMEEM Do you know how many peaple throw there cigarette on the street?
and no one is picking that up!
hpcyclingfan 1 month ago
im confused. where's the problem?
JoelTGM 10 months ago
Yet another reason why professional road cycling will not become mainstream in US.
holli008 11 months ago
@holli008 Hi HIolli. You may be correct. The only mainstream racing sport in the U.S might be nascar - possibly. Mainstream US sports have lots of problems too of course. I don't watch them, follow them very little. A little college football is as much as I can stomach. US sports or more about the business and less about sport. The only thing I know about US pro sports, I know From Jim Rome and Gary Radnich.
WEEMMEEM 11 months ago
Maybe you don't understand, the fact is yes they drop their bottles. But usually they are taken by fans and spectators as souveiners, so the majority of the time the bottles are in fact picked up and recycled. If Fabian Cancellara dropped a drink bottle I would sure as hell want it.
TheCraig324 11 months ago
@TheCraig324 Hi Craig. I understand, I just think fans shouldn't support it. The pros are trashing our roads, forests, lakes, rivers, all places that I've seen riders throw their trash. Here, Fabian acutally did throw his bottle near spectators which is the the best place right now, but there should be zones where the riders throw all their trash away. Thanks!
WEEMMEEM 11 months ago
@WEEMMEEM al bottles nowadays are bio-recycleable..
sorry for my english
OttoReints 11 months ago
@OttoReints Hi Otto. Thanks for your comment. I think it's time that race promoters designate trash zones, say every 15 miles or so. Staff could be waiting there to pick up all their garbage. I don't know of any bottles that are 'biodegradeable. And their food wrappers aren't biodergradeable either. I'm looking forward to the race next month.
WEEMMEEM 11 months ago
@WEEMMEEM I wouldn't worry about damage caused by pro racing - it's all the wanabee cyclists doing sportives who're cramming stupid gels in their mouths and throwing the wrappers at the road side. If guess many of them are doing this because they see the pros doing it too, so there is some blame going that way...
EagleOfToledo 11 months ago
@EagleOfToledo HI Eagle. Yep, we're definitely an imitative species. Amatuer racers definitely have their own problems. I just think it's time that races designate trash zones so all their garbage isn't spread over 100 miles of road.. Thanks!
WEEMMEEM 11 months ago
Good shot! :P
nolf999 11 months ago
@nolf999 Thanks nolf. It's nothing special, but mildly interesting. It was a decent spot to watch the race, out in the middle of nowhere. The pace was pretty high, but they still had 50 miles to go into the central valley. It's pretty cool seeing the top pros sprint up the hills in a huge peleton and caravan. We rode 30 miles out to that spot from town - Livermore, Ca, which is a start town this year. Del Puerto Canyon and Mines roads are famous in norcal cyclilng. The TOC likes them too!
WEEMMEEM 11 months ago
@nolf999 Thanks Nolf. It was pretty exciting. I am looking forward to the TOC next month. They have a summit finish on top of SIerra Road. It's going to be just like Alpe Du Huez!? Sierra climbs 2000' in 3 miles, a real monstor. Just like the Mortirolo in Italy or the Angliru in Spain! Exactly like it - as far as I can tell! The next day they'll be climbing the infamous SantaRosaCreek road between Cambria and Paso Robles. Nastly steep rotten decaying non-stop never ending pitches of steepness.
WEEMMEEM 11 months ago
If you watch any amount of pro cycling stage races, they always throw their used bottles to the side of the road when they're done; they are handed full bottles by SAG. I doubt he was even thinking about "behaving."
NNJGirl321 11 months ago
@WEEMMEEM that is rather odd... but pros can't ride fast all the time. infact majority of training that professionals do is around 14-17mph vs the crazy speeds they do in racing. With having A LOT of races in the season, it's hard to plan out true recovery workouts or interval workouts when doing a bunch of stage races and more... some races have to be ridden easy as pro to ride fast in other races. saxo was there just so TOC sponsors could say they were there, them bein there is good media.
chsspartan 1 year ago 2
@chsspartan Not sure where you get the figures 14 - 17mph from, more like 22 - 23 mph easy riding for a pro I would have said. 14 - 17 mph is about what a moderately fit amateur would do on a flattish course taking it easy.
mrwasbesonders 9 months ago
@mrwasbesonders ehh 23mph may be pushing it for a pro despite the yare pro i have seen cat 3 races average at 24mph as a group easily which they are considered an above entry level racer. None the less regardless of speed I don't think any type of training could be judge by speed, speed doesn't say too much since the pro could be on hills even. It's all about power nowadays it seems along with metabolic heart rate... which all that science is above me lol
chsspartan 9 months ago
@chsspartan You're right the terrain and being in a group and of course the size of the group makes a huge difference. But a friend of mine who knew a former pro said his steady miles were at about 22 - 23 miles per hour. I know a cat 2 rider who thinks nothing of averaging 20mph on longish rides. As for the science I totally agree, its gone mental, makes me wonder how Eddy Mercx and the like got on without all this stuff, probably very nicely I expect.
mrwasbesonders 9 months ago
@WEEMMEEM, would you have preferred he hang onto the bottle and recycle it at the end of the day? The only people who try hard at the TOC are the ones who have no chance to win the TDF. It's a warm-up race. Riders who want a challenge are in Italy at that time. Thanks for posting the video, but the title is an unjustified slur.
hagenar 1 year ago 3
@hagenar Hi Hagenar. Actually I would prefer that promoters designate trash zones so that racer's garbage isn't spread over 100 miles of roadway and surroundings. Riders do have pockets. I garuantee you that is in the future of the sport. Bottles are slightly different than the other garbage that riders throw on the ground, because they are souviniers. This video is actually pretty meaningless with minimal interest. The far bigger issue is where the riders throw thier trash. Thanks.
WEEMMEEM 11 months ago
Not quite understanding what he did here that was "behaving badly"? He threw out a used water bottle, like they always do in races.
pinkysgrl 1 year ago 16
@pinkysgrl Hi pinkysgrl, Fabian threw his bottle at the road sign and turned to Andy Schleck and laughed about it. It's not a felony but I'm sick of seeing pros throw their garbage into the forests, in the rivers, in the roads, down cliffs, etc. They need drop off points for their garbage. A few riders were cited last year for littering in a race. It was a smaller race. Fabain is no different than any other pro, he just happens to be in my video. The sport needs to do something about it.
WEEMMEEM 11 months ago