Interesting, i did not know that that happend. So what is the real difference between nazi german and america? kill off jews compared to indians? It is not the question that there are different even european countries behaving even more worser.
You can't watch this movie anymore (the Pentagon won't allow it), so you all should see Stanley Kubrick's "Paths of Glory" 1957. About how the french military, during WW1, executed five of their own soldiers, arbitrarily chosen from scores who fled a hopeless battle. Just to make an example of them, and cover up one general's costly mistake. Then explain how this execution was also justified. And how generals should get away with hiding their blunders. For the greater good, eh? Poppycock!
I can't judge him, because I don't know, how would I behave instead of him. Presumably I would try to miss the end of the war as well. Anyway, I'm supporter of death penalty, but NOT for fear, only for criminal homicides or other VERY serious offenses.
I noticed the comment he said "Eddie Slovik wasn't a coward". Granted, WWII was alot rougher by my war. But damn, he ran away before he even made it to the front. He never saw combat. He thought that he would just get jail time while everyone else was wounded and dying. I don't think he'd have been killed if he had a least done some time.
@lionel21000 I tell you what I can stomach an honest man who admits that he cant do violence and is afraid of it then the majority of cock swinging wannabes he try to hide it and talk about all as a football match. And from the account I read he went to the post without resistance and accepted his fate. Doesent strike me as a coward particularly. Like I said I can stomach an honest man with no inclination to die better than a wannabe hero who would get people killed.
@grimblebrumble17889 What wannabes are you talking about? No normal rational person wanted to be in ground combat in world war two. I don't know what you read or where, but he hid out with a canadian MP unit behind the lines, told his company commander that he would run away if posted to the front and told the JAG that he would "take the court marital" rather than fight. What about the fairness to all the other men that were dying??? Like any of them had a choice???
@lionel21000 He did hide but at the same time what he said was that he didnt object to serving just fighting. Its fucking hard sitting there waiting for some to take a pop at you. I did it for 8 years and my nerves and the nerves of better men than me frayed cos of it. Like I said, he was honest about it and when it came to his punishment he "took it like a man". Not everyone is made for frontline duties and theres the problem with conscription. How do you make men fight who dont have it in them
@grimblebrumble17889 I respect that you did your time. I did 19 years and two tours too. But you actually agreed with me on your last line "how do you make men fight who don't have it in them" Winning that war was no sure thing. The army was struggling with desertion, especially the 28th ID. I struggle with Esienhowers decision a bit too. In fact, I'm not really impressed with much of his leadership. But when looking at the overall situation, I think this was the best thing to do.
@lionel21000 I cant condone the execution of men, especially those who are honest about there own feelings. I can tell the ones who wont fight, they are always the ones who try to convince everyone that they will. He said I cant fight. If he turned up at the front and froze he would of got men killed. He said he would do anything else but he couldnt fight. I can respect the honesty of a man who knows he would be a liability. That boy was murdered to make a point
@EnthalpyH Slovik stated himself, that he actually expected a dishonorable discharge, and then jail time which would have been commuted once the war ended. (That was what he honestly believed would happen.) However after the Ardennes offensive, and the massive problem of dessertion that the army had faced in the wake of German advances, Eisenhower felt that an example needed to be made. Slovik got the luck of the draw...so to speak.
Slovik got just what he deserved. fact we should've executed every last soldier who deserted. I guarantee there would've been a lot fewer desertions. They should've left Slovik's body in that dishonored cemetary in France instead of bringing it back to Detroit. In fact they should bury Bradley Manning and every soldier who refused to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan there.
Why didn't you go to Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom ? My old platoon sergeant was in vietnam and he's older and worlds tougher than could ever wet dream to be.
@DarrelfromZeeland : Manning should be given a god damn medal for the civil courage required for disclosing how the US troops willfully hunt down and kill non-combatants. In fact, if anyone were going to be executed, it should have been the soldiers who killed the civilians, and not Manning.
@DarrelfromZeeland : Sorry, I don't argue with people who advocate hate-killings, use racist language (which reveals the racist thinking behind it) and behave altogether like Internet fascists.
No matter what country you're from, you're a disgrace for your people. No further comment.
@DarrelfromZeeland Atheism is the way forward. This world was formed without man and will go on without man. No fairy tale will change that. Oh and not a very Christian attitude you have there. I thought one of the founding principles of Christianity was forgiveness, however repugnant I find Jews and Muslims at least they arent hypocrites unlike delusional and retarded so called Christians.
@orangestoneface I still felt sorry for the guy when the book came out. But being ex-military myself, I am always amazed that people join thinking that HQ is going to treat them any other way but by the book. There really is no grey areas.
@ekocentric but he did not join willingly, he was drafted, is the book still with this rule, death for deserting, i have not heard about any executions, but he did not even try to escape, he just refused to fight. having too much fear can be a mental sickness, so if a soldier gets sick then he gets shot.
@orangestoneface I saw his wife on the Mike Douglas show in the late 1970's when she had written a book and was trying to clear his name. Slovak, was the only g.i. executed for desertion since 1864...only because during ww2 there were over 40,000 deserters & HQ needed to make an example.
@ekocentric I've typed this comment over and over because the situation bothers the hell out of me....This was a terrible, terrible situation that was political and nothing else. But then, the military would have looked like bullies had Slovak been a Harvard graduate and not a semi disabled, uneducated, petty thief.
@ekocentric yes but he was not even a deserter , i think , did not try to flee from the army, he left his post for a while though. so , did the govt ever pay compensation to her or his family, or did she get an apology from the army or govt, so you mean the war could have been lost if more had deserted (doubt it) than did after this, did fewer desert after this,. He sent hundreds of letters to his wife before all this happened, seems like he was a loving guy, or am I assuming too much
@orangestoneface Hey.....I'm not fighting you. I'm just writing what I've read over the years. I don't think that Slovak deserted because he would have had to have been a sadist to stay where he was being fired.
As for the 40,000 deserters...you have to remember that a lot of them in the beginning were teenage boys and not used to what they saw. It wouldn't be easy to point a gun at another human being and kill him.
@ekocentric yes I just like to argue but I do not see it as a fight, yes many refused to shoot others in ww one but now they are trained to kill on order without thinking , I think.
@DarrelfromZeeland The war was won sooner. Between the enigma code being broken, the Soviets destroying 8 German armys and knocking Hungary, Romania and mostly Italy out of the war the RAF destroying the Luftwaffe, the RN destroying the Kriegsmarine, and the US destroying German cities the Nazi military being destroyed in 6 years was excellent work by all involved. Of course youve probably never seen a fist fight never mind a major campaign so what the fuck would you know boy?
@DarrelfromZeeland I dont know what the fuck a libturd is and I dont particularly have any interest. Have fun trolling you delusional cunt. Another pathetic brat that never had the brass to join and seems to think hes qualified to lecture on the merits of courage. I bet youve never had a single fight your entire life. Leave the soldiering to the men little boy.
@orangestoneface Too much fear a sickness? Bullshit! Only to some namby pamby, touchy feely, bleeding heart, bedwetting libturd coward. If they won't face enemy bullets, they need to face American ones.
Says the guy that never saw combat with the navy and didn't do two combat tours in the middle and didn't kill 2,000 muslims as you say everybody else should do on your profile. When are you going to put your patriotism where your mouth is old man ? Time isn't exactly on your side.
@orangestoneface It was definitely unfair that Slovak was executed...I'm sure that his executioners didn't want to shoot him because he did what many g.i.s have over the centuries...it's only natural to be afraid when someone is shooting at you.
P.S. Our military executed a lot of g.i.s for rape over in Europe. I.E. Emmet Till (14 yr old who was lynched, tortured and mutilated in Mississipi '55.)
There are no more chapters that I can quote to prove to you that I don't agree with the military
The way to preserve our freedom is to kill cowards and dissenters. Makes sense. Coercion and execution are good when we do it. Because we fight for freedom!
Interesting, i did not know that that happend. So what is the real difference between nazi german and america? kill off jews compared to indians? It is not the question that there are different even european countries behaving even more worser.
But anyway, good actor performance i must say.
dwarslopers 4 weeks ago
You can't watch this movie anymore (the Pentagon won't allow it), so you all should see Stanley Kubrick's "Paths of Glory" 1957. About how the french military, during WW1, executed five of their own soldiers, arbitrarily chosen from scores who fled a hopeless battle. Just to make an example of them, and cover up one general's costly mistake. Then explain how this execution was also justified. And how generals should get away with hiding their blunders. For the greater good, eh? Poppycock!
youtub3k 2 months ago
I can't judge him, because I don't know, how would I behave instead of him. Presumably I would try to miss the end of the war as well. Anyway, I'm supporter of death penalty, but NOT for fear, only for criminal homicides or other VERY serious offenses.
Ondrus21 5 months ago
I noticed the comment he said "Eddie Slovik wasn't a coward". Granted, WWII was alot rougher by my war. But damn, he ran away before he even made it to the front. He never saw combat. He thought that he would just get jail time while everyone else was wounded and dying. I don't think he'd have been killed if he had a least done some time.
lionel21000 7 months ago
@lionel21000 I tell you what I can stomach an honest man who admits that he cant do violence and is afraid of it then the majority of cock swinging wannabes he try to hide it and talk about all as a football match. And from the account I read he went to the post without resistance and accepted his fate. Doesent strike me as a coward particularly. Like I said I can stomach an honest man with no inclination to die better than a wannabe hero who would get people killed.
grimblebrumble17889 6 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889 What wannabes are you talking about? No normal rational person wanted to be in ground combat in world war two. I don't know what you read or where, but he hid out with a canadian MP unit behind the lines, told his company commander that he would run away if posted to the front and told the JAG that he would "take the court marital" rather than fight. What about the fairness to all the other men that were dying??? Like any of them had a choice???
lionel21000 5 months ago
@lionel21000 He did hide but at the same time what he said was that he didnt object to serving just fighting. Its fucking hard sitting there waiting for some to take a pop at you. I did it for 8 years and my nerves and the nerves of better men than me frayed cos of it. Like I said, he was honest about it and when it came to his punishment he "took it like a man". Not everyone is made for frontline duties and theres the problem with conscription. How do you make men fight who dont have it in them
grimblebrumble17889 5 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889 Simple. You execute the cowards. Either face enemy bullets or face ours.
DarrelfromZeeland 5 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland Thats a bold statement. Coming from someone who has never had to face enemy fire. Idiot cunt.
grimblebrumble17889 5 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889 I respect that you did your time. I did 19 years and two tours too. But you actually agreed with me on your last line "how do you make men fight who don't have it in them" Winning that war was no sure thing. The army was struggling with desertion, especially the 28th ID. I struggle with Esienhowers decision a bit too. In fact, I'm not really impressed with much of his leadership. But when looking at the overall situation, I think this was the best thing to do.
lionel21000 5 months ago
@lionel21000 I cant condone the execution of men, especially those who are honest about there own feelings. I can tell the ones who wont fight, they are always the ones who try to convince everyone that they will. He said I cant fight. If he turned up at the front and froze he would of got men killed. He said he would do anything else but he couldnt fight. I can respect the honesty of a man who knows he would be a liability. That boy was murdered to make a point
grimblebrumble17889 5 months ago
It's almost as if the guy was destined to die, as were so many others who were drafted. How incessantly human behavioral cycle keeps spinning.
EnthalpyH 8 months ago
@EnthalpyH Slovik stated himself, that he actually expected a dishonorable discharge, and then jail time which would have been commuted once the war ended. (That was what he honestly believed would happen.) However after the Ardennes offensive, and the massive problem of dessertion that the army had faced in the wake of German advances, Eisenhower felt that an example needed to be made. Slovik got the luck of the draw...so to speak.
darkyoda 8 months ago
poor guy rip private Slovik
SGSuruceni4ever 9 months ago
Why not show this movie on tv? Martin Sheen ..best actor of uor time.
briansward08 10 months ago
kid at wedding
Raiden738 10 months ago
Slovik got just what he deserved. fact we should've executed every last soldier who deserted. I guarantee there would've been a lot fewer desertions. They should've left Slovik's body in that dishonored cemetary in France instead of bringing it back to Detroit. In fact they should bury Bradley Manning and every soldier who refused to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan there.
DarrelfromZeeland 11 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland
Why didn't you go to Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom ? My old platoon sergeant was in vietnam and he's older and worlds tougher than could ever wet dream to be.
TimmyHaag 11 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland Do you realize how perversely barbaric your viewpoints are?
gingerbreadcorpses 11 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland : Manning should be given a god damn medal for the civil courage required for disclosing how the US troops willfully hunt down and kill non-combatants. In fact, if anyone were going to be executed, it should have been the soldiers who killed the civilians, and not Manning.
HappyDay989 7 months ago
@HappyDay989 Manning is a fucking traitor. No civilians have been killed in this war, except for those killed by the mudscum.
DarrelfromZeeland 7 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland: You obviously tend to ignore those parts of reality that don't fit into your parallel view on this world.
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HappyDay989 7 months ago
@HappyDay989 Newsflash dumbass. Every mudscum is a COMBATANT. There are NO mudscum civilians. That means they're all fair game.
DarrelfromZeeland 7 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland : Sorry, I don't argue with people who advocate hate-killings, use racist language (which reveals the racist thinking behind it) and behave altogether like Internet fascists.
No matter what country you're from, you're a disgrace for your people. No further comment.
HappyDay989 7 months ago
@HappyDay989 Newsflash dumbass. Facsists are ATHEIST LIBERALS= National SOCIALISTS.
DarrelfromZeeland 7 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland Atheism is the way forward. This world was formed without man and will go on without man. No fairy tale will change that. Oh and not a very Christian attitude you have there. I thought one of the founding principles of Christianity was forgiveness, however repugnant I find Jews and Muslims at least they arent hypocrites unlike delusional and retarded so called Christians.
grimblebrumble17889 6 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889 Atheism is the way forward. Straight to decay and decline. Look at Europe. They'll be under mudscum sharia law in 20 years.
DarrelfromZeeland 5 months ago
Charlie Sheen's first movie appearance (uncredited)
filmerado 1 year ago
Good thing he wasn't Russian. Or else he would have been just another statistic.
m1rock 1 year ago
IT WAS MADE IN 1977 YOU KNOB CHEESE
Wiklkstar 1 year ago
i read it was eishenhowers decision that eddie had to die
orangestoneface 1 year ago
@orangestoneface They made an example of him that's for sure.
ekocentric 1 year ago
@ekocentric he refused to fight , said he was too scared , could be true
orangestoneface 1 year ago
@orangestoneface I still felt sorry for the guy when the book came out. But being ex-military myself, I am always amazed that people join thinking that HQ is going to treat them any other way but by the book. There really is no grey areas.
ekocentric 1 year ago
@ekocentric but he did not join willingly, he was drafted, is the book still with this rule, death for deserting, i have not heard about any executions, but he did not even try to escape, he just refused to fight. having too much fear can be a mental sickness, so if a soldier gets sick then he gets shot.
orangestoneface 1 year ago
@orangestoneface I saw his wife on the Mike Douglas show in the late 1970's when she had written a book and was trying to clear his name. Slovak, was the only g.i. executed for desertion since 1864...only because during ww2 there were over 40,000 deserters & HQ needed to make an example.
ekocentric 1 year ago
@ekocentric I've typed this comment over and over because the situation bothers the hell out of me....This was a terrible, terrible situation that was political and nothing else. But then, the military would have looked like bullies had Slovak been a Harvard graduate and not a semi disabled, uneducated, petty thief.
He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But, long story short
ekocentric 1 year ago
@ekocentric yes but he was not even a deserter , i think , did not try to flee from the army, he left his post for a while though. so , did the govt ever pay compensation to her or his family, or did she get an apology from the army or govt, so you mean the war could have been lost if more had deserted (doubt it) than did after this, did fewer desert after this,. He sent hundreds of letters to his wife before all this happened, seems like he was a loving guy, or am I assuming too much
orangestoneface 1 year ago
@orangestoneface Hey.....I'm not fighting you. I'm just writing what I've read over the years. I don't think that Slovak deserted because he would have had to have been a sadist to stay where he was being fired.
As for the 40,000 deserters...you have to remember that a lot of them in the beginning were teenage boys and not used to what they saw. It wouldn't be easy to point a gun at another human being and kill him.
ekocentric 1 year ago
@ekocentric yes I just like to argue but I do not see it as a fight, yes many refused to shoot others in ww one but now they are trained to kill on order without thinking , I think.
orangestoneface 1 year ago
@ekocentric We should've made more examples. The war would've been won sooner.
DarrelfromZeeland 11 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland The war was won sooner. Between the enigma code being broken, the Soviets destroying 8 German armys and knocking Hungary, Romania and mostly Italy out of the war the RAF destroying the Luftwaffe, the RN destroying the Kriegsmarine, and the US destroying German cities the Nazi military being destroyed in 6 years was excellent work by all involved. Of course youve probably never seen a fist fight never mind a major campaign so what the fuck would you know boy?
grimblebrumble17889 6 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889 Newsflash dumbass. I've kicked the shit out of plenty of libturds. They're such fucking panzies that it's no challenge.
DarrelfromZeeland 5 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland I dont know what the fuck a libturd is and I dont particularly have any interest. Have fun trolling you delusional cunt. Another pathetic brat that never had the brass to join and seems to think hes qualified to lecture on the merits of courage. I bet youve never had a single fight your entire life. Leave the soldiering to the men little boy.
grimblebrumble17889 5 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889 Newsflash dumbass. 4 years in the Navy.
DarrelfromZeeland 5 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland Oooooohhhhh the Navy. Whatever bullshitter.
grimblebrumble17889 5 months ago
@orangestoneface Too much fear a sickness? Bullshit! Only to some namby pamby, touchy feely, bleeding heart, bedwetting libturd coward. If they won't face enemy bullets, they need to face American ones.
DarrelfromZeeland 11 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland
Says the guy that never saw combat with the navy and didn't do two combat tours in the middle and didn't kill 2,000 muslims as you say everybody else should do on your profile. When are you going to put your patriotism where your mouth is old man ? Time isn't exactly on your side.
TimmyHaag 11 months ago
@orangestoneface It was definitely unfair that Slovak was executed...I'm sure that his executioners didn't want to shoot him because he did what many g.i.s have over the centuries...it's only natural to be afraid when someone is shooting at you.
P.S. Our military executed a lot of g.i.s for rape over in Europe. I.E. Emmet Till (14 yr old who was lynched, tortured and mutilated in Mississipi '55.)
There are no more chapters that I can quote to prove to you that I don't agree with the military
ekocentric 1 year ago
Respond to this video...no it was emmet tills father that was executed for rape. he was a soldier in europe. till was murdered for just flirting.
orangestoneface 1 year ago
@orangestoneface
Blacks rape all of the time. Check out David Dukes video on the subject.
Perseiden2 1 year ago
@Perseiden2 Stfu rape happens everywhere by all races black, white, asian, etc...
in certain part's in russia they encourage tourist not to visit due to daily kidnappings and rapeings so stfu with you'r stereotypical bullshit.
bloodyblade 1 year ago
@Perseiden2 They're savages. Just proves that you can take an ape out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of an ape.
DarrelfromZeeland 11 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland
Savages ? Coming from you that's an awesome compliment.
TimmyHaag 11 months ago
@orangestoneface One of the few things Ike did right.
DarrelfromZeeland 11 months ago
The way to preserve our freedom is to kill cowards and dissenters. Makes sense. Coercion and execution are good when we do it. Because we fight for freedom!
IntractableJ 1 year ago