how can she say she would choose life never having fallen pregnant from rape? Rape is so traumatic I believe no one can know what they would choose, unless they have unfortunately been a victim of such a crime.
It is absolutely absurd how some people can be so stupid and actually say all this with a straight face. I bet she would change her mind if something so horrific like getting raped and then pregnant happened in her family
on my earlier post: on fire. More on abortion: I don't know if Palin has been raped or not, but i'm guessing not. I love how (generally) the conservative party are so against abortion, and are always saying, "oh put it up for adoption" or "you can tough it out"; saying these things to all the people who are raped, or had malfunctioning contraception, or just an 'accident'. However, I don't see those same republicans adopting those children, or lowering taxes for lower class citizens.
@maxpeeples1 how do you know none of them have huh? my father works for the government in a fairly important position, and i'm here to tell you my being born out of rape has not changed the fact that the LOVE ME, ok, you think because someone is brought into this world under these circumstances they can't be loved, what the hell is wrong with you, what the hell is wrong with all of these comments, none of you i'm guessing are the product of rape so what the hell do you know about anything.
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx I never said, nor assumed, that children that are the products of rape could not be loved. What I said/mean is that the woman who are raped should not be FORCED to keep the child and go through pregnancy and labor. Any rape victim who wants to keep her child, or put it up for adoption, vs. getting an abortion is a woman with a lot of courage and love. I admire a woman that would do that for a child she never planned to have but she shouldn't be forced to go through it.
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx nothing. fetus's can do nothing but develop in the womb and then be born. I'm assuming that fetus's can't feel pain up until a certain point. But, like you said, you did nothing to warrant being killed. but some don't consider abortion killing. I will say, however, that abortions should be illegal after 4 or 8 weeks. Whenever the heart starts beating or whatnot, because then it is killing. But still, im glad you were wanted and found a good home.
@maxpeeples1 all i can say is of that fetus that may not mean dick to other people came a beautiful woman who is busting her ass to change the world one person at a time. i devote my time working with adults with mental and physical disabilities so that they can have a better more productive life, and in turn feel loved, you kill someone like that, you are taking love out of the world, and frankly, it needs all it can get.
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx that is very very true, and it sounds like you lead a very fulfilling life. Congratulations. I've actually realized that over time I've slowly began to stop 'supporting' abortion. Now-a-days I say it is only 'okay' if there is rape, incest or pregnancy problems involved. My perspectives have been changing quite a bit recently. I'm only human, no one is perfect, and all of life is a learning experience. I may look back, 20 yrs from now, and say, "what an idiot i was."
@maxpeeples1 yes, i'm doing wonderfully, and its because there were people who wanted me so bad, i didn't know any of this until i was about 18, im still processing it 10 years later, but i'm doing so well because i was fortunate enough to be adopted into the best family in the world, dads a contractor for the us army corps of engineers, moms a school teacher, i have led more of a normal life then most children not born out of rape, i've traveled the world, i just couldnt imagine missing that.
@maxpeeples1 i simply want people to understand, that not every child born of this situation is going to lead this crazy painful life, yea parts of it suck, but who doesn't have drama, it's everywhere in some form or another, i just think people are thinking so much about the mother, what about us, we get swept under the rug, put on the back burner, when yea its important to feel for the mom, but what about us.
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx I try to understand. Well, at least as much as what someone else can. And I will admit that there are just as many children born of normal circumstances that have shitty lives. so yes, you are correct in saying that no one should generalize and say "every child born to rape will be hate/not wanted/a reminder."
@maxpeeples1 it's just very hurtful, i have not looked for my birth mom because i dont want to rehash the harsh past, but i would LOVE for her to know how good my life has been, how blessed she has made me, and how much i still love her for doing what was best for me she was 12 years old when she had me, but obviously mature beyond her years but i think if people would get how good it can be they might reconsider the decision they will make that no matter what, either way, they will never forget
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx I never said, nor assumed, that children that are the products of rape can not be loved. What my point is, is that the rape victim should not be FORCED to go through pregnancy and labor. Though a woman that would go through pregnancy and labor for a child she did not intend on having, a child that was forced upon her, is a woman that is very worthy of admiration. I am glad you are in a loving home. However, rape victims shouldnt be FORCED to keep a child from rape.
okay, here's my take on abortion: it's choice. Here's my take on the Republican party, they are backwards. They are the party that is "pro-life" but yet they demonize any private sex act (i.e. masturbation). So, in a sense, they say, "life life life," and yet they put down the very actions that create life. Like I said backwards. they are traditionally a war-mongering party, yet complain about the deficit. that is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke after lighting a house
How can she be like that she is a bitch just because she can afford to rise a child dosent mean everybody can afford to rise a child and if she make it illegally how many illegal abortions will there not be and if a person has been raped or subjected to inset and she have the child she would never love the child because every time she would look at it, she would constantly been reminded what she has been exposed to and how many children would not be given away to adoptions
Someone some should rape this fucking inbred cum licking bitch whore then visit her 9 months later and tie her legs together right before she gives birth. Then spit, shit and piss on her corpse. I am against abortion but not in case of rape and especially not incest.
@HowardSternn Does it? Last time I checked it just makes a couple of sick bastards really rich.
No one can shove any cheap "help the victim" pro-choice garbage down my throat because I'VE BEEN THE VICTIM MYSELF and though you are left angry and with the compelling need to take vengeance, the baby should NOT be the scapegoat.
how is apposing abortion even in the case of rape a good idea of anyone? It's obvious that she has never put her self in someone who was raped shoes, i know if i was a woman and i got pregnant as a result of rape and i was forced to carry that reminder of what happened for 9 months I'd probably hang myself. i mean how fucked up is that to punish the victims of rape.
most abortions occur when the woman got pregnant due to lack or misuse of birth control. if she really didnt want to get pregnant she would have tried harder not to get pregnant.
when a woman is raped she didnt make the choice to get pregnant or even to have sex, so why shouldnt she get a choice to keep the baby?
@AceofDiamonds0 I'm sure you know lots of birth control pills have side effects which women do not want to endure. Condoms break all the time. There are PLENTY of people out there who use proper methods. It's not an average woman's choice to get pregnant either, it just happens sometimes. Don't give me that bull of if you don't want a misfortune, you should just try harder for it not to happen. What about the safe people that it DOES happen to? Their body, their choice.
@AceofDiamonds0 Sorry, it's not a case of wanting either or for a lot of people. I don't mean side effects. Taking birth control pills is dangerous period. Not to mention that it is not available to a LOT of women. And, well, if you don't take birth control, and get pregnant, luckily, you can always choose NOT to carry the baby.
@AceofDiamonds0 And yes, it is irrational. To imply that you care about life, but that just because a woman is raped, that life is then dubbed OK to get rid of is completely contradictory. You only consider how the woman feels about not wanting a baby in cases of forced sex, but women who get abortions do not WANT TO GIVE BIRTH IN THE FIRST PLACE, so then you have forced birth.
they asked if she was for it in the case of rape or incest but why didnt they ask if it is ok for her in the case of a black impregnating a white? they are amateurs and do not know how to trip up opponents.
That last argument was, quite possibly, the only one that holds firm. I'll admit that both sides of the issue of abortion have valid points overall, but in this particular debate, the candidates in question, for the most part, seemed incapable of supporting their view in an effective manner.
okay, define life for me. What if there is something wrong with the baby. So it's great that your pro life but define what a real life is? I know she said if the women is in danger it's okay but what if the only problem is the baby? She needs to address her views better.
Interesting how the one female who happens to be Palin wants to take away a womans rights as an American. I have more respect for my daughter or other woman then telling them they would have to carry a child because of an awful situation.
im not saying i agree with abortion, but i think ppl have a right to chose and the government has no right to take that away. ppl have the right to chose wether or not to have a baby, even if they were raped. shes such a hipocrite.
First of all, with the vocabulary thing it makes you sound like you have poor vocaulary because people often use swear words because they can't think of any other word to describe often because they lack a vocabulary. Second, in my opinion there is nothing wrong with having an abortion.
I'm not saying don't use contreceptives because one STD's and second prevention is the best method to stop unwanted pregnancies if your going to have sex, but people don't always use them and sometimes they don't work. The woman should still have the right to have an abortion because if she doesn't want to carry a baby/fetus for 10 months in HER womb she shouldn't have to. Also there's no need to swear it makes you sound like an idiot with a poor vocabulary.
What i want to know is why it is considered ok to kill non-human animals(coz ppl r still animals) that are sentient beings but seen as terribly wrong to kill humans and to some non-sentient unborn babies/fetuses. There are already too many people on this planet and we selfishly use up it's resources and take over it's land, destroying it's habitats, there are other creatures that live here to, and if their population gets out of control we have them culled, i welcome abortion 4 any1 who wants 1
You completely miss the point. Abortion is for, lazy, irresponsible fucks who can't handle using a contraceptive, or maybe abstaining from a fuck, get pregnant and murder a baby at their CONVENIENCE. It has nothing to do with population control, so quit with that utter BULLSHIT.
Abortion in the case of incest, rape, and failed contraceptive is fine by me. Anything else, is irresponsibilty.
You're saying, fuck it, have unprotected sex, and just kill your kid, who cares!
People who call them selves "pro-life" the majority of the time are not because they eat meat and animals are living things, what they really mean is pro-human life. Also people who say she has the right to do what she wants with her body but the baby/fetus isn't part of her body therefore shouldn't be able to have an abortion are idiots because it's within her body and has the right to remove it.
Everybody leans towards the rape side of the situation. What happen if it wasn't a rape? What happen if you're careless and you want to have unprotective sex? Who's fault is that? Yes it's the baby's fault, I'm going to abort this embryo/fetus because it's all their fault. Sound's like bullcrap to me.
I would also like to mention this: PREGNANCY FROM RAPE IS EXTREMELY RARE.
First of all, the majority of abortions are NOT from carlessness on the part of the woman, contrary to popular "pro-life" belief. In fact, half of all abortions are done from contraceptive failure. In this case, precautions WERE taken, and an accident occurred, it's as simple as that.
Also, 25,000-32,000 pregnancies are caused by rape or incest every year. As a percentage, it's no big deal, but as a number, it IS a cause for concern.
1.) Once again, Headhunter004, you're spreading disinformation/propaganda. "It should be a matter of concern that such a high proportion of unplanned pregnancies are due to contraceptive failure (which comprises technical failure and misuse of contraception)." MISUSE. OF. CONTRACEPTION. So no, precautions WEREN'T taken. Education, education, education.
Also, you do realize that Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion provider, has been covering up rape and abuse on a grand scale?
Maybe there would be LESS RAPE if the rapists were actually being reported by the people who are supposed to be reporting such things, and everyone was less eager to push everything under the carpet and cover it up with abortion.
There's a couple MAJOR flaws with that "argument":
1) There's still having to carry the painful reminder of being raped around in the form of something the size of a beach ball inside the woman's stomach, and still having to be reminded every second of every day for 9 months of being raped and then having to, EXTREMELY PAINFULLY give birth to this painful reminder.
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2) The foster care system is overcrowded with unwanted children as it is and children are treated HORRIBLY there.
But being FORCED, against your will, to carry the seed--and painful reminder--of the rapist will make those memories last even longer and even MORE painful. And also, adoption IS foster care, that's where children put up for adoption go, and like I said, they are treated HORRIBLY there. Did you know that 80% of all adoptive kids either commit suicide or end up in prison?
No, it can't feel pain until 20 weeks because it's central nervous system isn't fully developed yet.
As for "those memories being made to last even longer", well, actually, I realize that those memories are probably going to last forever no matter what, my point is that her being FORCED to carry the seed of the guy who physically harmed her, possibly drugged her, and did horrible things to her will probably make her suicidal beyond all belief.
@Headhunter004 thats funny, because i was adopted immediately.. im not in prison, and im obviously not dead if i'm talking to you now, so, because theres this 80 percent you talk about, the 20 percent of us dont even count? and thank you for labeling us as "painful reminders" thats real nice.
Sarah Palin should just suck the life out of the fetus as soon as it is born, instead of allowing it to live seventeen years like she did with her own daughter before sucking her dry.
Easy for you to say, since you have both of the necessary attributes for speaking out against choice:
1) You're a guy and will never have to be pregnant in your life
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2) Like most "pro-lifers", you completely lack any sense of deductive reasoning
Yeah, nevermind that the rape victim only has to be reminded EVERY SECOND OF EVERY DAY FOR 9 MONTHS before undergoing an EXTREMELY PAINFUL birth of the painful reminder of what her rapist did to her to worry about.
"And yes the victim will be reminded for life how she abort the baby."
Considering the typical reaction women get from an abortion is NOT guilt, but rather the utmost feeling of RELIEF, I wouldn't bank on that too much.
"And yes she will have that painful reminder regardless of abortion or not."
So we mustn't add to the victim's horror by telling her she has no choice and thereby basically raping her yet again, this time every second of every day for 9 months.
Again, more B.S. from you. Places like Rachel's Vineyard wouldn't exist if what you said was correct.
And I swear, you act like you know what it's like to actually carry a baby...do you just sit around and fantasize about what it's like to be pregnant, or what?
All of you are saying that the mother has the choice to do what she wants. But how about the baby? It's unfair to abort the baby, that's violation against human rights too.
No, it's not because the fetus doesn't have any rights to begin with. It's so-called "right to live" boils down to the right to remain inside her body, and since there is no right to live inside a woman's body and parasite off of it against her will, it then logically follows that there are no rights to speak of for the fetus. A fetus has no more right to live inside of a woman than I do to outright rape a woman and I know I have no right to do that.
Why because she believes that murdering innocent children is wrong and should be against the law? What about the baby's rights? I thought this was America, where everyone is (or was) born equal, and all shall have equal rights. And if you are one of those stupid ignorant people who think that a fetus is not a life, well science and theology prove that it is.
1) IT'S NOT MURDER YOU DUMB FUCK! LOOK IT UP IN THE AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY, IT SAYS *UNLAWFUL* KILLING, ABORTION IS LEGAL!
2) An embryo/fetus IS NOT A BABY!
3) An embryo/fetus doesn't have rights to begin with, since there IS no right to live inside another person against their will, you know, just like how I have no right to rape a girl.
4) No, life (as in, personhood) begins at viability, this has been proven and if you want me to, I'll even give you the source to prove it!
1. Abortion IS legal until 24 weeks into pregnancy in most states. So it can be illegal.
2. Yes
3. If an embry/fetus has no rights currently, we'll change that fact. For anyone anywhere if they are alive, they should deserve rights including even if they are an embryo/fetus.
4. Nonsense, if you're going to prove it, it can't be a theory, it can't be a matter of statistics, it really has to be proof-proof.
Sometimes I think there's more animal rights than Fetus/Embryo rights O:
1. Irrelevant. Since it's legal in almost all cases, it's considered "legal on demand" NOT "legal in MOST cases".
2. No, it's not. A baby is, by biological definition, an infant, or a newborn between the stages of child birth and puberty. Plus, most abortions are done before it even REMOTELY resembles a baby.
3. No, it doesn't, your rights stop when they infringe on the rights of somebody else, a fetus does this by using a woman's sexual organs against her will.
Ok, first of all, it is murder, because the baby is a baby at conception, this is basic science. "American Heritage Dictionary"?? are you for real, americans don't know shit about anything, they brag soo much about freedom and choice. they always say that they have a choice, to do what, kill?? You are just one of those people who will never get it, you will be stuck in a world of your own, thinking you can have casual sex and get away with it. OPen your eyes!! That baby could have done something
No, it's not, it's a baby AFTER it is born, until then, it is simply an embryo or fetus, baby=infant, infant=newborn, REAL science will tell you this. Secondly, the fact that it says IN EVERY DICTIONARY that murder is an UNLAWFUL killing kinda makes it hard to argue against. Also, THE POINT OF AN ABORTION IS NOT TO KILL THE FETUS, it's to resume control over your own body, which EVERYONE has the right to do! And yes, we can have casual sex JUST for pleasure, humans wouldn't exist otherwise!
Also, "that baby could have done something"? Not if it's an unwanted child that will be sitting in foster care it's whole life with only a SMALL chance of being adopted by somebody!
See, like most "pro-lifers", you're not even capable of thinking, I don't know why I waste my time arguing with you morons, "pro-lifers" are, without a shadow of a doubt, the absolute stupidest people I've ever met! Bottom line: IT'S NOT YOUR BODY, IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING DECISION!
It's a matter of responsibility you stupid fuck. People are getting abortions because they're too fucking lazy, or too fucking stupid to use protection, or protect themselves.
Therefore, I'm an irresponsible idiot who got fucked and had a baby, well this would really be inconvenient for me to take care of, so I'll just have it taken care of.
This being said, most people who get abortions probably should have been aborted themselves, and they probably shouldn't pro-create.
palin is a dipshit!! she should ask herself. ' if my dad raped me and got me pregnant would i want to keep it?'
Everyone wants child abuse to stop but how will it ever stop if there is a ban on people getting abortions for a pregnancy/child they dont want to start with! there is the option of adoption which is the option i'd take if it came to it but where do you draw the line. abortion is not something i'd ever do but it needs to be there for people who need it
That's a choice that she would take away from other teenage girls if she were in a position to sign an amendment banning abortion. It's also ironic that the very same conservatives that rail about government interference in the market can, at the very same time, talk about the necessity of the federal government to make a choice for an individual.
decision- first trimester abortion should be protected federally. A first trimester fetus cannot sustain life outside of the mother's womb, so I don't consider it to be an independent living being... I'm also a guy, so I feel uncomfortable about telling women what they can and cannot do with their own reproductive organs. It's interesting that when Palin's daughter CHOSE to keep her baby, the governor's office put out a press release about Palin's pride in her daughter's CHOICE...
I find conservative Republicans that concede to pro-choicers concerning rape and insets to be incredibly hypocritical; the entire debate is about two competing beliefs about when life begins- fetal viability or conception. If you begin to designate certain extenuating circumstances that would justify abortion, you've compromised you "morals" and the cornerstone of your argument: life begins at conception, and a fetus constitutes a human life. That being said, I agree with the Roe v. Wade
the entire debate isnt about when life starts. it is about does someone have a right to be inside and live inside a woman without her consent? the humane answer is no. when a woman is raped, she loses control over her body and she is stripped of her autonomy. when you force her to remain pregnant after the fact, you do the same thing. no one can force me to have a foreign object inside me against my will. a rape victim has a right to not have her body taken from her again.
Ok, so what your saying is that your own baby is a foreign object? even if a guy raped you it is still yours b/c you helped make it. all fetus is is a stage of development. And life does begin at conception, so your saying murdering your own child is ok? The mother can make choices for herself, but not a choice to kill the baby. The baby is it's own person, at eight weeks, it has a beating heart!! your stopping a beating heart!! You stupid americans are so selfish that you cant even respect life
if i was raped, i created nothing. there is no right to be inside someone against their will. there is no right to life at the expense of anothers body. no one has a right to reduce me to breeding chattel. i will deny my body to anyone born or unborn. i have bodily sovereingty unlike a fetus. if something is growing on or in me against my will, i will make it stop. and yes a fetus is a foreign entity.
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Sweetheart, if you were raped, I really would not care about you, just the baby b/c most rapes happened b/c the woman leads them on::not dressing modestly A.K.A. dressing like a slut! You are a stupid person to think that your own child, the one you helped create, is a foreign person. You choosing to murder your own child makes you not have any respect for your own life, your child's life, and human life in general.
Wow, you are a dumb bitch. First of all, I've already proven that abortion is NOT murder, so I'm not even going to get into that. Secondly, A FETUS IS NOT A FUCKING PERSON! A person is an individual, or a DISTINCT human entity, which means independent, separate, whole, a fetus doesn't, in ANY way fit this description. Third, it's NOT a baby until AFTER it's born, until then, it's simply an embryo or fetus. Fourth, beating heart, are you serious? Tumors have pulses, too so that's a lame argument.
PS, don't even give me that "respect for life" bullshit, since you anti-choicers don't give a shit less about the people who are already here and support warfare and the death penalty. Also, yes, a woman DOES have the right to abort an unwanted pregnancy since women are sovereign over their own bodies. A woman has the right to get rid of an unwanted embryo or fetus just like she is allowed to fight to get a rapist off of her. Since it's her body, she can deny anyone and anything the use of it.
If the religious right would put a tiny shred of effort into PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies then they wouldn't have to worry about abortions. These idiots say adopt but there are still a lot of unwanted children in foster care. They never practice what they preach. They consistently attack women but never mention the role men had in getting a woman pregnant. I can't stand Palin. She's not going to tell me what to do with my body. I saw a poll stating she may be nominated in 1012. Fat chance.
Having this woman as running mate for McCain ended up hurting him more than helping him. Her stance on pro-life regardless of the situation show how incredibly simple minded this woman really is.
Forcing a woman to carry a child that is the result of a rape and/or incest is denigrating.
A child is supposed to be wanted, not violently forced into someone.
@TheSciFiCat FOR YOUR INFORMATION I WAS WANTED. my birth mother may not have been able to keep me or even want me but you can bet your ass my adoptive parents wanted me more then life its self. IF YOU CAN'T WALK UP TO ME ON THE STREET TODAY AND PUT A BULLET IN MY BRAIN, what the hell right do you have to wish i had been killed as a fetus. you can fuck off as far as i am concerned, I WAS WANTED. she was raped, but she knew someone out there wanted me you need to pull your fucking head out
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx Adoption is a noble thing to do, and surely, your adoptive parents wanted a child, any child for that matter, it was after they saw you for the first time that they wanted YOU. I can't walk on the street now and kill you because you are a thinking individual, a being with rights and reasoning, the result of your upbringing and personal experiences, as a fetus you where no such thing. As such a fetus cannot supersede in rights a thinking, reasoning individual.
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx Call me all you want if it makes you feel better, it won't change the fact that women that suffer rape should not be put through the forceful pregnancy of her aggressor.
How many children are born only to die every day around the world of famine, disease and armed conflict because women have no rights or choice whatsoever over their own bodies and very life? Is it moral to give birth to a child that will only know pain, suffering and die an early death?
@TheSciFiCat you are nothing more then a westboro church wannabe. everyone has the right to choose what they want to do, i agree, but saying that we are not wanted? how the hell can you spew such bullshit. do you have ANY idea how hurtful that statement would be to some people, luckily i have shared my story with enough people and know that there will always be judgmental assholes like you trying to force "the right thing" on other people.
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx It is a hurtful statement because it affects you on a personal level. Denying that children resulting from rape are, by definition, the result of an UNWANTED act of violence against a woman is denying reality itself. Your "Westboro" appreciation shows how far off you are in your judgment of my character, not that you are trying to be judgmental, are you? And please, if you reply to this try to be civil since, unlike you, I haven't used insults against your person.
@TheSciFiCat you haven't insulted? you stated that we aren't wanted, and that is bullshit. thats one of the biggest insults i've heard yet it beats out calling me a bastard child or even a child of satan, yea i've heard that a few times, but saying someone is unwanted, is just about as insulting as it gets
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx If that is how you feel, then I apologize, but it doesn't change my stance on the purpose of what the original post for the video was. Look at the wording of my original post: "Forcing a woman to carry a child that is the result of a rape and/or incest is denigrating." I did not say "carrying such a child would be denigrating", It is the act of FORCING someone to do so is what is denigrating. Palin would FORCE women to carry to term regardless the origin of said pregnancy
@TheSciFiCat YOU ARE THE RAPIST, RAPING PEOPLE OF THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE, RAPING PEOPLE OF THEIR RIGHT TO FREE CHOICE, RAPING ALL OF THESE PARENTS WHO WOULD NOT HAVE CHILDREN IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE TERRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT BROUGHT ABOUT MY LIFE AND ANYONE ELSE'S BORN IN THIS SITUATION. YOU ARE THE RAPIST.
@TheSciFiCat and might i point out, aborting does not change the fact that a person was raped, so no matter what happens after that, it's going to be hard, i'll ask you the same thing i asked the other person i commented to, what did i do to deserve to be killed. now you want to talk on a higher level of god puts us all here for a reason? i'd rather not exist if it meant that she didn't have to be raped, but the fact is she was, and she thought my life was worth living. and thank god for it.
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx Difficult to answer to "What did I do to deserved to be killed?" when "I/You", as a person, did not exist at that moment. When does exactly a bunch of cells dividing in an uterus stops being a conglomerate of cells and starts becoming a human being? What makes the cells that had to die to form the spaces between your fingers in uterus any less deserving of life. Humanity has been struggling with this issue for millennia otherwise this would not be such a heated debate.
@TheSciFiCat i'm here aren't i, those cells that are so insignificant did develop into a person... it's not rocket science, a baby has to come from somewhere, whether it just be simply cells its still in fact a baby or it would not develop into a baby, its really not that hard to understand, its like everything else, people want to complicate and twist things to fit their opinion, but is a seed thats dropped from a tree not going to develop into another tree?
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx Precisely because that distinction of cells/baby is so fuzzy nobody seems to be able to reach an agreement. The things is, why does a fully developed, self aware human being has to give up her rights over her own body over the rights of a human being that as such doesn't even exist? Especially under such circumstances. If the mother is to carry to full term to raise or give for adoption is acceptable as long as it is done out of her free will, but not against it. That's all
@TheSciFiCat personally im against killing children. no matter how little, i dont think any child deserves to die. so you keep thinking about the mother, and keep sweeping people like me under the rug whatever helps you sleep at night. i just thank god that at 12 years old my mother had more common sense, heart, and value for life, then people like you. you may not care about your life but i certainly give a damn about mine it's real easy for people like you to talk when you've never been there
what business does a 14 year old have keeping a baby? I think if pro lifers were really pro life, they would know that kids raising kids will most likely result in a negative out come, as well as women (of any age) who doesn't want to keep it in the 1st place. Most likely, the child could end up being abused. What if the mother is a drug addict & does drugs? So much for a healthy baby.
do you think it is worse to have a child for 9 months and go through pain of birth or getting killed and it is not always about the pain part and i bet you havent ever even seen what a aborted kid looks like. it looks horrible. And 60% of the time the mother goes through depression because of killing a human life. And also it is funny how there is more rights now for animals then unborn children.
I think you're wrong on your info. about women being depressed. I believe there is no direct correlation between women who had abortions and feeling depressed about it and if there are, I am certain 60% is not the accurate statistic
Yes, it is worse because abortions RARELY result in the woman getting killed. And your 60% statistic is wrong, it's been well documented that most women are fine after getting abortions and the minority of women who do go through depression either come from a religious background and/or had problems beforehand. Your response shows how little you know about the vastness of forced child birth, much less the vastness of forced child birth coupled with forced sex.
i think if all the money that goes into abortions and stuff obama would be put into actually taking care off kids and giving money to mothers and homes would be better then all these. How is taking a little bit out of someones life compares to taking away someone's whole life.and headhunter004 i would recomend that you go to google images and typing in abortion and then tell me if it looks like painless! and also headhunter004FUCCKK YOU. YOU PERSECUTE THOSE WHO CAN'T TALK YET.
It's not "taking a little bit out of someone's life" it's destroying someone's whole life entirely having a constant reminder of pain around after having to carry it for 9 long months and then be forced to give birth to it, which is EXTREMELY painful BTW (and throwing rape in there makes it that much worse) but that's quite typical of a Conservatard RepublicUNT like you to ignore the facts. Also, an embryo or fetus in it's early stages CANNOT feel pain, hell it can't feel anything period.
EXACTLY! These "pro-life" idiots are so ignorant of the facts, it's not even funny. And you're exactly right, leiapeison, if I were a girl and anyone so as much as attempted to force child birth on me (ESPECIALLY if I was pregnant because of a brutal rape attack against me), I would soooooo sue their asses. These "pro-life" morons clearly have very little understanding of the life of the pregnant mother, especially one pregnant against her will.
those images are inaccurate and some are even faked. the late term ones are only done in life threatening situations but that is all they like to show. the potential to experience life does not override existing conscious life. forcing pregnancy on someone is more vile than forcing sex. it is the ultimate violation of the human person. no woman can be free if she is not secure within her own body. she will be reduced to breeding chattel. women will become second class citizens.
so what some people think is that if you get raped then you should kill your kid even though it is not there fault? Who cares if the child's father is a rapist your the kid's mother.
It's not the mother's fault she got raped, either, why should she go through the unimaginable horror and trauma of being an incubator against her will for 9 months before having to EXTREMELY PAINFULLY give birth to the painful reminder of said violence against her? But that's quite typical of you Conservatards to ONLY think about the unborn fetus that has no feelings, consciousness or personality whatsoever (or ability to feel pain), you could care less what the WOMEN go through, idiots.
you;re right. forced pregnancy is a form of sexual violation. it is a form of rape. it is more dehumanizing than forced sex. no woman should have her dignity stripped from her for some speck of dna in her uterus with no self interest to begin with. keep fighting for womens rights.
I keep trying, I honestly don't want anyone to abort children but I'd rather have a fetus aborted than go through hell on earth. Seriously Caylee Anthony wasn't aborted only to be slaughtered before the age of three?
I mean if you know you cant be a parent don't attempt it. Kids need stability, unconditional acceptance and love, and you cant force any parent to give this to a child.
Aborting a fetus isn't nearly as painful to them as having them grow up in a family that hates them.
I TOTALLY agree! We should support children who live! The gov. has NO right to MAKE ANYONE give birth! Especially if the mother doesn't want it, can you just imagine what would be going on in her mind if she was forced to keep it? She prob. would result to a dangerous back alley abortion
i know. anyone that has childbirth forced upon them should sue the govt and the prolifers for grave bodily injury for forcing the injury of childbirth upon them without their consent. no one has a right to imprison a woman in her OWN body for 9 months!!!
What about rape? What about incest? These horrors defy descriptive condemnation. They represent the least human and most selfish acts imaginable - along with murder - and they deserve swift and severe punishment. A woman or girl abused by rape or incest should be seen promptly, evaluated with compassion and treated appropriately to prevent conception. Should pregnancy occur, the tragedy should not be compounded by another crime: Murdering the baby.
Palin is an evil bitch. She's be a perfect dictator. The very last quote by the last speaker was perfect, "Government has to do what it does best and stay out of the lives of individuals.
no matter how much ur against abortion, every woman will always have the right to chose, because it isn't the governments decision to force a person to give birth
i hear that palin Does accept abortions with rape or incest. what if her little girl was raped and preggo at 9? why would risk your own child to die giving birth on the death bed? who would do a thing like that. if she doesnt accept that no wonder she lost.haha
elegie- I bet someone you know (a friend, a coworker, a family member, etc) is the result of rape. Do you think that person is less valuable than someone who was not the result of rape? Would you want to see that person killed because of how they were created? What if you found out that YOU were the product of rape? Would you kill yourself?- Of course not! Then why do you want to kill others because of the sins of their father?
I think that your questions do not make any sense, because you are really nobody and nothing to judge someone who is in that terrible situation. One who is in that situation should decide what to do with her life, nobody else. Any kind of giving moral lessons in that kind of situation is completely idiotic and evil. No offense Theo :)
elegie- Imagine that your talking to a friend and she tells you that she was the product of rape. Would you think less of her? I know- you would say 'no'... but when you are pro-choice in the case of rape, your words don't match up with your beliefs.
No, I wouldn't think anything bad about her, but still your argument doesn't make a big sense. I am a pro - choice, and women's choice is to make an abortion. What's the problem? Is the problem that you would force a wounded soul to give a birth to a baby that was made by some kind of criminal person? It is the easist to judge someone;)
how can she say she would choose life never having fallen pregnant from rape? Rape is so traumatic I believe no one can know what they would choose, unless they have unfortunately been a victim of such a crime.
shrew1O9 1 month ago
*me
tapaddtiiiii 1 month ago
"It won't be up to individually as an individual" *sad+laughing facepalm*
tapaddtiiiii 1 month ago
i typed "sarah palin against"
google gave me 72 millions results...
GhibliOriginals 2 months ago
It is absolutely absurd how some people can be so stupid and actually say all this with a straight face. I bet she would change her mind if something so horrific like getting raped and then pregnant happened in her family
trueChaos23 6 months ago
i give sarah palin credit for speaking the truth,,not buttering it up,,how me,you,and others got on this earth is completely irrelavent
ThexxGomezxx 9 months ago
waste this bitch!!
fleafly20 10 months ago
I would like to see what Palins gonna do if she gets pregnant by rape...
Alphadanielmon 11 months ago
if abortion is murder masturbation is genocide
pierreo33 1 year ago 5
OMG I have murdered a small nation in the space of 10 minutes...OMG
I had no idea masturbation was wrong.
biblefarce 9 months ago
a woman should have a choice.
jollyrogers011 1 year ago
on my earlier post: on fire. More on abortion: I don't know if Palin has been raped or not, but i'm guessing not. I love how (generally) the conservative party are so against abortion, and are always saying, "oh put it up for adoption" or "you can tough it out"; saying these things to all the people who are raped, or had malfunctioning contraception, or just an 'accident'. However, I don't see those same republicans adopting those children, or lowering taxes for lower class citizens.
maxpeeples1 1 year ago 2
@maxpeeples1 how do you know none of them have huh? my father works for the government in a fairly important position, and i'm here to tell you my being born out of rape has not changed the fact that the LOVE ME, ok, you think because someone is brought into this world under these circumstances they can't be loved, what the hell is wrong with you, what the hell is wrong with all of these comments, none of you i'm guessing are the product of rape so what the hell do you know about anything.
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx I never said, nor assumed, that children that are the products of rape could not be loved. What I said/mean is that the woman who are raped should not be FORCED to keep the child and go through pregnancy and labor. Any rape victim who wants to keep her child, or put it up for adoption, vs. getting an abortion is a woman with a lot of courage and love. I admire a woman that would do that for a child she never planned to have but she shouldn't be forced to go through it.
maxpeeples1 9 months ago
@maxpeeples1 i agree certain things should be up to the mother, but i will leave it at this, what did i do to deserve to be killed.
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx nothing. fetus's can do nothing but develop in the womb and then be born. I'm assuming that fetus's can't feel pain up until a certain point. But, like you said, you did nothing to warrant being killed. but some don't consider abortion killing. I will say, however, that abortions should be illegal after 4 or 8 weeks. Whenever the heart starts beating or whatnot, because then it is killing. But still, im glad you were wanted and found a good home.
maxpeeples1 9 months ago
@maxpeeples1 all i can say is of that fetus that may not mean dick to other people came a beautiful woman who is busting her ass to change the world one person at a time. i devote my time working with adults with mental and physical disabilities so that they can have a better more productive life, and in turn feel loved, you kill someone like that, you are taking love out of the world, and frankly, it needs all it can get.
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx that is very very true, and it sounds like you lead a very fulfilling life. Congratulations. I've actually realized that over time I've slowly began to stop 'supporting' abortion. Now-a-days I say it is only 'okay' if there is rape, incest or pregnancy problems involved. My perspectives have been changing quite a bit recently. I'm only human, no one is perfect, and all of life is a learning experience. I may look back, 20 yrs from now, and say, "what an idiot i was."
maxpeeples1 9 months ago
@maxpeeples1 yes, i'm doing wonderfully, and its because there were people who wanted me so bad, i didn't know any of this until i was about 18, im still processing it 10 years later, but i'm doing so well because i was fortunate enough to be adopted into the best family in the world, dads a contractor for the us army corps of engineers, moms a school teacher, i have led more of a normal life then most children not born out of rape, i've traveled the world, i just couldnt imagine missing that.
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@maxpeeples1 i simply want people to understand, that not every child born of this situation is going to lead this crazy painful life, yea parts of it suck, but who doesn't have drama, it's everywhere in some form or another, i just think people are thinking so much about the mother, what about us, we get swept under the rug, put on the back burner, when yea its important to feel for the mom, but what about us.
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx I try to understand. Well, at least as much as what someone else can. And I will admit that there are just as many children born of normal circumstances that have shitty lives. so yes, you are correct in saying that no one should generalize and say "every child born to rape will be hate/not wanted/a reminder."
maxpeeples1 9 months ago
@maxpeeples1 it's just very hurtful, i have not looked for my birth mom because i dont want to rehash the harsh past, but i would LOVE for her to know how good my life has been, how blessed she has made me, and how much i still love her for doing what was best for me she was 12 years old when she had me, but obviously mature beyond her years but i think if people would get how good it can be they might reconsider the decision they will make that no matter what, either way, they will never forget
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx I never said, nor assumed, that children that are the products of rape can not be loved. What my point is, is that the rape victim should not be FORCED to go through pregnancy and labor. Though a woman that would go through pregnancy and labor for a child she did not intend on having, a child that was forced upon her, is a woman that is very worthy of admiration. I am glad you are in a loving home. However, rape victims shouldnt be FORCED to keep a child from rape.
maxpeeples1 9 months ago
okay, here's my take on abortion: it's choice. Here's my take on the Republican party, they are backwards. They are the party that is "pro-life" but yet they demonize any private sex act (i.e. masturbation). So, in a sense, they say, "life life life," and yet they put down the very actions that create life. Like I said backwards. they are traditionally a war-mongering party, yet complain about the deficit. that is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke after lighting a house
maxpeeples1 1 year ago
How can she be like that she is a bitch just because she can afford to rise a child dosent mean everybody can afford to rise a child and if she make it illegally how many illegal abortions will there not be and if a person has been raped or subjected to inset and she have the child she would never love the child because every time she would look at it, she would constantly been reminded what she has been exposed to and how many children would not be given away to adoptions
MonicaH86 1 year ago
Someone some should rape this fucking inbred cum licking bitch whore then visit her 9 months later and tie her legs together right before she gives birth. Then spit, shit and piss on her corpse. I am against abortion but not in case of rape and especially not incest.
grkpektis 1 year ago
Abortion saves lives
Howard Stern
HowardSternn 1 year ago
@HowardSternn Does it? Last time I checked it just makes a couple of sick bastards really rich.
No one can shove any cheap "help the victim" pro-choice garbage down my throat because I'VE BEEN THE VICTIM MYSELF and though you are left angry and with the compelling need to take vengeance, the baby should NOT be the scapegoat.
Common sense!!
DariYael 1 year ago
@DariYael She may not be able to afford it and she may starve to Dead.
HowardSternn 1 year ago
how is apposing abortion even in the case of rape a good idea of anyone? It's obvious that she has never put her self in someone who was raped shoes, i know if i was a woman and i got pregnant as a result of rape and i was forced to carry that reminder of what happened for 9 months I'd probably hang myself. i mean how fucked up is that to punish the victims of rape.
concretechocobo 1 year ago
yes abortion is wrong we can all agree on that. it shouldnt be used as a form of birth control.
however, just like every rule there should be exceptions.
as to rape and incest; its not about the baby, it is about the mental and emotional scaring done to the mother.
there should never be an air tight law that says yes abortion should be legal no questions asked, or no abortion should not be legal no matter what
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDimonds0 To say that some women can be in control of their reproduction and some women can't is extremely irrational.
xxneondinosaur 1 year ago
@xxneondinosaur
yes it is, but thats not what i said.
most abortions occur when the woman got pregnant due to lack or misuse of birth control. if she really didnt want to get pregnant she would have tried harder not to get pregnant.
when a woman is raped she didnt make the choice to get pregnant or even to have sex, so why shouldnt she get a choice to keep the baby?
its all about choices.
AceofDiamonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDiamonds0 I'm sure you know lots of birth control pills have side effects which women do not want to endure. Condoms break all the time. There are PLENTY of people out there who use proper methods. It's not an average woman's choice to get pregnant either, it just happens sometimes. Don't give me that bull of if you don't want a misfortune, you should just try harder for it not to happen. What about the safe people that it DOES happen to? Their body, their choice.
xxneondinosaur 1 year ago
@xxneondinosaur
what would you rather have the side effects of birth control pills (that wear off over time) or a baby?
AceofDiamonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDiamonds0 Sorry, it's not a case of wanting either or for a lot of people. I don't mean side effects. Taking birth control pills is dangerous period. Not to mention that it is not available to a LOT of women. And, well, if you don't take birth control, and get pregnant, luckily, you can always choose NOT to carry the baby.
xxneondinosaur 1 year ago
@AceofDiamonds0 And yes, it is irrational. To imply that you care about life, but that just because a woman is raped, that life is then dubbed OK to get rid of is completely contradictory. You only consider how the woman feels about not wanting a baby in cases of forced sex, but women who get abortions do not WANT TO GIVE BIRTH IN THE FIRST PLACE, so then you have forced birth.
xxneondinosaur 1 year ago
i agree with this ... no abortion ever!
ssimak4 2 years ago
what if the unborn baby has a disease that is killing it and the mother?
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
they asked if she was for it in the case of rape or incest but why didnt they ask if it is ok for her in the case of a black impregnating a white? they are amateurs and do not know how to trip up opponents.
johnny4463435 2 years ago
That last argument was, quite possibly, the only one that holds firm. I'll admit that both sides of the issue of abortion have valid points overall, but in this particular debate, the candidates in question, for the most part, seemed incapable of supporting their view in an effective manner.
hasards 2 years ago
okay, define life for me. What if there is something wrong with the baby. So it's great that your pro life but define what a real life is? I know she said if the women is in danger it's okay but what if the only problem is the baby? She needs to address her views better.
Stonymypony 2 years ago
She doesn't answer the questions directly. Stupid.
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agnesiiia 2 years ago
Interesting how the one female who happens to be Palin wants to take away a womans rights as an American. I have more respect for my daughter or other woman then telling them they would have to carry a child because of an awful situation.
CmeSusanB 2 years ago 4
Laws are only for dicksucking cowards who don't dare having their own opinions:-)
danhartmanistrueking 2 years ago 2
lol shes ok with a girl giving birth to incest OMG shes an idiot
neoarcadezr 2 years ago 17
im not saying i agree with abortion, but i think ppl have a right to chose and the government has no right to take that away. ppl have the right to chose wether or not to have a baby, even if they were raped. shes such a hipocrite.
sk8ab 2 years ago 4
SHE SO FUCKING STUPID
nodoubtme18 2 years ago 3
First of all, with the vocabulary thing it makes you sound like you have poor vocaulary because people often use swear words because they can't think of any other word to describe often because they lack a vocabulary. Second, in my opinion there is nothing wrong with having an abortion.
woodnymph01 2 years ago
I'm not saying don't use contreceptives because one STD's and second prevention is the best method to stop unwanted pregnancies if your going to have sex, but people don't always use them and sometimes they don't work. The woman should still have the right to have an abortion because if she doesn't want to carry a baby/fetus for 10 months in HER womb she shouldn't have to. Also there's no need to swear it makes you sound like an idiot with a poor vocabulary.
woodnymph01 2 years ago
Yeah, I know. Too much for anyone to take responsibility for anything anymore.
I'm coming around to the point where, it's like fuck it let people have as many abortions as they want.
What does swearing have anything to do with having a bad vocabulary, especially the word fuck. It's so versatile.
sh1yne 2 years ago
abortion should never be used as a form of birth control.
even if you are wearing protection there is still a chance that you will be able to get pregnant.. and you should face the consequences
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDimonds0 Abortion is facing the consequences.
xxneondinosaur 1 year ago
What i want to know is why it is considered ok to kill non-human animals(coz ppl r still animals) that are sentient beings but seen as terribly wrong to kill humans and to some non-sentient unborn babies/fetuses. There are already too many people on this planet and we selfishly use up it's resources and take over it's land, destroying it's habitats, there are other creatures that live here to, and if their population gets out of control we have them culled, i welcome abortion 4 any1 who wants 1
woodnymph01 2 years ago
You completely miss the point. Abortion is for, lazy, irresponsible fucks who can't handle using a contraceptive, or maybe abstaining from a fuck, get pregnant and murder a baby at their CONVENIENCE. It has nothing to do with population control, so quit with that utter BULLSHIT.
Abortion in the case of incest, rape, and failed contraceptive is fine by me. Anything else, is irresponsibilty.
You're saying, fuck it, have unprotected sex, and just kill your kid, who cares!
sh1yne 2 years ago
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woodnymph01 2 years ago
People who call them selves "pro-life" the majority of the time are not because they eat meat and animals are living things, what they really mean is pro-human life. Also people who say she has the right to do what she wants with her body but the baby/fetus isn't part of her body therefore shouldn't be able to have an abortion are idiots because it's within her body and has the right to remove it.
woodnymph01 2 years ago 2
Everybody leans towards the rape side of the situation. What happen if it wasn't a rape? What happen if you're careless and you want to have unprotective sex? Who's fault is that? Yes it's the baby's fault, I'm going to abort this embryo/fetus because it's all their fault. Sound's like bullcrap to me.
I would also like to mention this: PREGNANCY FROM RAPE IS EXTREMELY RARE.
iSonador 2 years ago
First of all, the majority of abortions are NOT from carlessness on the part of the woman, contrary to popular "pro-life" belief. In fact, half of all abortions are done from contraceptive failure. In this case, precautions WERE taken, and an accident occurred, it's as simple as that.
Also, 25,000-32,000 pregnancies are caused by rape or incest every year. As a percentage, it's no big deal, but as a number, it IS a cause for concern.
Headhunter004 2 years ago 3
1.) Once again, Headhunter004, you're spreading disinformation/propaganda. "It should be a matter of concern that such a high proportion of unplanned pregnancies are due to contraceptive failure (which comprises technical failure and misuse of contraception)." MISUSE. OF. CONTRACEPTION. So no, precautions WEREN'T taken. Education, education, education.
Also, you do realize that Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion provider, has been covering up rape and abuse on a grand scale?
xalisae 2 years ago
Maybe there would be LESS RAPE if the rapists were actually being reported by the people who are supposed to be reporting such things, and everyone was less eager to push everything under the carpet and cover it up with abortion.
xalisae 2 years ago
I stand with Palin, if your raped have you heard of adoption?
republicanboy79 2 years ago
There's a couple MAJOR flaws with that "argument":
1) There's still having to carry the painful reminder of being raped around in the form of something the size of a beach ball inside the woman's stomach, and still having to be reminded every second of every day for 9 months of being raped and then having to, EXTREMELY PAINFULLY give birth to this painful reminder.
and
2) The foster care system is overcrowded with unwanted children as it is and children are treated HORRIBLY there.
Headhunter004 2 years ago
even if you get an abortion you will still remember being raped. Also, I said to give it up for adoption, not foster care.
republicanboy79 2 years ago
But being FORCED, against your will, to carry the seed--and painful reminder--of the rapist will make those memories last even longer and even MORE painful. And also, adoption IS foster care, that's where children put up for adoption go, and like I said, they are treated HORRIBLY there. Did you know that 80% of all adoptive kids either commit suicide or end up in prison?
Headhunter004 2 years ago 14
The part about kids going to jail is horrible. The baby can geel pain, so that's a bad thing to do to a person who isn't alive yet.
republicanboy79 2 years ago
No, it can't feel pain until 20 weeks because it's central nervous system isn't fully developed yet.
As for "those memories being made to last even longer", well, actually, I realize that those memories are probably going to last forever no matter what, my point is that her being FORCED to carry the seed of the guy who physically harmed her, possibly drugged her, and did horrible things to her will probably make her suicidal beyond all belief.
Headhunter004 2 years ago 2
What memories?
republicanboy79 2 years ago
@Headhunter004 thats funny, because i was adopted immediately.. im not in prison, and im obviously not dead if i'm talking to you now, so, because theres this 80 percent you talk about, the 20 percent of us dont even count? and thank you for labeling us as "painful reminders" thats real nice.
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
Sarah Palin should just suck the life out of the fetus as soon as it is born, instead of allowing it to live seventeen years like she did with her own daughter before sucking her dry.
madisonhack 2 years ago
You don't see Palin as I do, killing babys is a terrible thing, even if your raped.
republicanboy79 2 years ago
Easy for you to say, since you have both of the necessary attributes for speaking out against choice:
1) You're a guy and will never have to be pregnant in your life
and
2) Like most "pro-lifers", you completely lack any sense of deductive reasoning
Yeah, nevermind that the rape victim only has to be reminded EVERY SECOND OF EVERY DAY FOR 9 MONTHS before undergoing an EXTREMELY PAINFUL birth of the painful reminder of what her rapist did to her to worry about.
Man, "pro-lifers" are stupid.
Headhunter004 2 years ago
And yes the victim will be reminded for life how she abort the baby. And yes she will have that painful reminder regardless of abortion or not.
iSonador 2 years ago
"And yes the victim will be reminded for life how she abort the baby."
Considering the typical reaction women get from an abortion is NOT guilt, but rather the utmost feeling of RELIEF, I wouldn't bank on that too much.
"And yes she will have that painful reminder regardless of abortion or not."
So we mustn't add to the victim's horror by telling her she has no choice and thereby basically raping her yet again, this time every second of every day for 9 months.
Headhunter004 2 years ago
Again, more B.S. from you. Places like Rachel's Vineyard wouldn't exist if what you said was correct.
And I swear, you act like you know what it's like to actually carry a baby...do you just sit around and fantasize about what it's like to be pregnant, or what?
xalisae 2 years ago
If I had a sister who was raped, I would suggest giving it away. :D
republicanboy79 2 years ago
All of you are saying that the mother has the choice to do what she wants. But how about the baby? It's unfair to abort the baby, that's violation against human rights too.
iSonador 2 years ago
"that's violation against human rights too."
No, it's not because the fetus doesn't have any rights to begin with. It's so-called "right to live" boils down to the right to remain inside her body, and since there is no right to live inside a woman's body and parasite off of it against her will, it then logically follows that there are no rights to speak of for the fetus. A fetus has no more right to live inside of a woman than I do to outright rape a woman and I know I have no right to do that.
Headhunter004 2 years ago
Like I said previously you use "fetus have no rights" a lot. They should have, as a democratic society we're living, we're such hypocrites.
iSonador 2 years ago 2
This is one reason I would never vote for this woman.
marys2020 2 years ago 5
Why, b/c she belevies that killing babys shouldn't happen?
republicanboy79 2 years ago
Why because she believes that murdering innocent children is wrong and should be against the law? What about the baby's rights? I thought this was America, where everyone is (or was) born equal, and all shall have equal rights. And if you are one of those stupid ignorant people who think that a fetus is not a life, well science and theology prove that it is.
glitterkiss26 2 years ago
No, because:
1) IT'S NOT MURDER YOU DUMB FUCK! LOOK IT UP IN THE AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY, IT SAYS *UNLAWFUL* KILLING, ABORTION IS LEGAL!
2) An embryo/fetus IS NOT A BABY!
3) An embryo/fetus doesn't have rights to begin with, since there IS no right to live inside another person against their will, you know, just like how I have no right to rape a girl.
4) No, life (as in, personhood) begins at viability, this has been proven and if you want me to, I'll even give you the source to prove it!
Headhunter004 2 years ago
1. Abortion IS legal until 24 weeks into pregnancy in most states. So it can be illegal.
2. Yes
3. If an embry/fetus has no rights currently, we'll change that fact. For anyone anywhere if they are alive, they should deserve rights including even if they are an embryo/fetus.
4. Nonsense, if you're going to prove it, it can't be a theory, it can't be a matter of statistics, it really has to be proof-proof.
Sometimes I think there's more animal rights than Fetus/Embryo rights O:
iSonador 2 years ago
1. Irrelevant. Since it's legal in almost all cases, it's considered "legal on demand" NOT "legal in MOST cases".
2. No, it's not. A baby is, by biological definition, an infant, or a newborn between the stages of child birth and puberty. Plus, most abortions are done before it even REMOTELY resembles a baby.
3. No, it doesn't, your rights stop when they infringe on the rights of somebody else, a fetus does this by using a woman's sexual organs against her will.
4. I'll send you the link.
Headhunter004 2 years ago
A Fetus/Embryo is an animal, just like people are. Non-human animals that are born should have more rights than a Fetus/embryo because it's sentient.
woodnymph01 2 years ago
Ok, first of all, it is murder, because the baby is a baby at conception, this is basic science. "American Heritage Dictionary"?? are you for real, americans don't know shit about anything, they brag soo much about freedom and choice. they always say that they have a choice, to do what, kill?? You are just one of those people who will never get it, you will be stuck in a world of your own, thinking you can have casual sex and get away with it. OPen your eyes!! That baby could have done something
glitterkiss26 2 years ago
No, it's not, it's a baby AFTER it is born, until then, it is simply an embryo or fetus, baby=infant, infant=newborn, REAL science will tell you this. Secondly, the fact that it says IN EVERY DICTIONARY that murder is an UNLAWFUL killing kinda makes it hard to argue against. Also, THE POINT OF AN ABORTION IS NOT TO KILL THE FETUS, it's to resume control over your own body, which EVERYONE has the right to do! And yes, we can have casual sex JUST for pleasure, humans wouldn't exist otherwise!
Headhunter004 2 years ago
Also, "that baby could have done something"? Not if it's an unwanted child that will be sitting in foster care it's whole life with only a SMALL chance of being adopted by somebody!
See, like most "pro-lifers", you're not even capable of thinking, I don't know why I waste my time arguing with you morons, "pro-lifers" are, without a shadow of a doubt, the absolute stupidest people I've ever met! Bottom line: IT'S NOT YOUR BODY, IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING DECISION!
Headhunter004 2 years ago
Is the unborn fetus/baby part of he womans body?
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
It's a matter of responsibility you stupid fuck. People are getting abortions because they're too fucking lazy, or too fucking stupid to use protection, or protect themselves.
Therefore, I'm an irresponsible idiot who got fucked and had a baby, well this would really be inconvenient for me to take care of, so I'll just have it taken care of.
This being said, most people who get abortions probably should have been aborted themselves, and they probably shouldn't pro-create.
Simple enough?
sh1yne 2 years ago
So a premature baby who was born at 32 weeks is human but a baby in the womb at 34 weeks is not? Wha'?
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
palin is a dipshit!! she should ask herself. ' if my dad raped me and got me pregnant would i want to keep it?'
Everyone wants child abuse to stop but how will it ever stop if there is a ban on people getting abortions for a pregnancy/child they dont want to start with! there is the option of adoption which is the option i'd take if it came to it but where do you draw the line. abortion is not something i'd ever do but it needs to be there for people who need it
drewjosieb 2 years ago 6
That's a choice that she would take away from other teenage girls if she were in a position to sign an amendment banning abortion. It's also ironic that the very same conservatives that rail about government interference in the market can, at the very same time, talk about the necessity of the federal government to make a choice for an individual.
LBJliberal 2 years ago 6
decision- first trimester abortion should be protected federally. A first trimester fetus cannot sustain life outside of the mother's womb, so I don't consider it to be an independent living being... I'm also a guy, so I feel uncomfortable about telling women what they can and cannot do with their own reproductive organs. It's interesting that when Palin's daughter CHOSE to keep her baby, the governor's office put out a press release about Palin's pride in her daughter's CHOICE...
LBJliberal 2 years ago 2
I find conservative Republicans that concede to pro-choicers concerning rape and insets to be incredibly hypocritical; the entire debate is about two competing beliefs about when life begins- fetal viability or conception. If you begin to designate certain extenuating circumstances that would justify abortion, you've compromised you "morals" and the cornerstone of your argument: life begins at conception, and a fetus constitutes a human life. That being said, I agree with the Roe v. Wade
LBJliberal 2 years ago
the entire debate isnt about when life starts. it is about does someone have a right to be inside and live inside a woman without her consent? the humane answer is no. when a woman is raped, she loses control over her body and she is stripped of her autonomy. when you force her to remain pregnant after the fact, you do the same thing. no one can force me to have a foreign object inside me against my will. a rape victim has a right to not have her body taken from her again.
leiapeison 2 years ago
Ok, so what your saying is that your own baby is a foreign object? even if a guy raped you it is still yours b/c you helped make it. all fetus is is a stage of development. And life does begin at conception, so your saying murdering your own child is ok? The mother can make choices for herself, but not a choice to kill the baby. The baby is it's own person, at eight weeks, it has a beating heart!! your stopping a beating heart!! You stupid americans are so selfish that you cant even respect life
glitterkiss26 2 years ago
if i was raped, i created nothing. there is no right to be inside someone against their will. there is no right to life at the expense of anothers body. no one has a right to reduce me to breeding chattel. i will deny my body to anyone born or unborn. i have bodily sovereingty unlike a fetus. if something is growing on or in me against my will, i will make it stop. and yes a fetus is a foreign entity.
leiapeison 2 years ago 5
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Sweetheart, if you were raped, I really would not care about you, just the baby b/c most rapes happened b/c the woman leads them on::not dressing modestly A.K.A. dressing like a slut! You are a stupid person to think that your own child, the one you helped create, is a foreign person. You choosing to murder your own child makes you not have any respect for your own life, your child's life, and human life in general.
glitterkiss26 2 years ago
Wow, you are a dumb bitch. First of all, I've already proven that abortion is NOT murder, so I'm not even going to get into that. Secondly, A FETUS IS NOT A FUCKING PERSON! A person is an individual, or a DISTINCT human entity, which means independent, separate, whole, a fetus doesn't, in ANY way fit this description. Third, it's NOT a baby until AFTER it's born, until then, it's simply an embryo or fetus. Fourth, beating heart, are you serious? Tumors have pulses, too so that's a lame argument.
Headhunter004 2 years ago
PS, don't even give me that "respect for life" bullshit, since you anti-choicers don't give a shit less about the people who are already here and support warfare and the death penalty. Also, yes, a woman DOES have the right to abort an unwanted pregnancy since women are sovereign over their own bodies. A woman has the right to get rid of an unwanted embryo or fetus just like she is allowed to fight to get a rapist off of her. Since it's her body, she can deny anyone and anything the use of it.
Headhunter004 2 years ago
you know you shouldn't call others dumb and then go and swear that much because that makes you sound like the idiot with a poor vocabulary.
woodnymph01 2 years ago
If the religious right would put a tiny shred of effort into PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies then they wouldn't have to worry about abortions. These idiots say adopt but there are still a lot of unwanted children in foster care. They never practice what they preach. They consistently attack women but never mention the role men had in getting a woman pregnant. I can't stand Palin. She's not going to tell me what to do with my body. I saw a poll stating she may be nominated in 1012. Fat chance.
Workaholic313 2 years ago 5
Having this woman as running mate for McCain ended up hurting him more than helping him. Her stance on pro-life regardless of the situation show how incredibly simple minded this woman really is.
Forcing a woman to carry a child that is the result of a rape and/or incest is denigrating.
A child is supposed to be wanted, not violently forced into someone.
TheSciFiCat 2 years ago 11
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xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@TheSciFiCat FOR YOUR INFORMATION I WAS WANTED. my birth mother may not have been able to keep me or even want me but you can bet your ass my adoptive parents wanted me more then life its self. IF YOU CAN'T WALK UP TO ME ON THE STREET TODAY AND PUT A BULLET IN MY BRAIN, what the hell right do you have to wish i had been killed as a fetus. you can fuck off as far as i am concerned, I WAS WANTED. she was raped, but she knew someone out there wanted me you need to pull your fucking head out
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx Adoption is a noble thing to do, and surely, your adoptive parents wanted a child, any child for that matter, it was after they saw you for the first time that they wanted YOU. I can't walk on the street now and kill you because you are a thinking individual, a being with rights and reasoning, the result of your upbringing and personal experiences, as a fetus you where no such thing. As such a fetus cannot supersede in rights a thinking, reasoning individual.
TheSciFiCat 9 months ago
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xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx Call me all you want if it makes you feel better, it won't change the fact that women that suffer rape should not be put through the forceful pregnancy of her aggressor.
How many children are born only to die every day around the world of famine, disease and armed conflict because women have no rights or choice whatsoever over their own bodies and very life? Is it moral to give birth to a child that will only know pain, suffering and die an early death?
TheSciFiCat 9 months ago
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xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@TheSciFiCat you are nothing more then a westboro church wannabe. everyone has the right to choose what they want to do, i agree, but saying that we are not wanted? how the hell can you spew such bullshit. do you have ANY idea how hurtful that statement would be to some people, luckily i have shared my story with enough people and know that there will always be judgmental assholes like you trying to force "the right thing" on other people.
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx It is a hurtful statement because it affects you on a personal level. Denying that children resulting from rape are, by definition, the result of an UNWANTED act of violence against a woman is denying reality itself. Your "Westboro" appreciation shows how far off you are in your judgment of my character, not that you are trying to be judgmental, are you? And please, if you reply to this try to be civil since, unlike you, I haven't used insults against your person.
TheSciFiCat 9 months ago
@TheSciFiCat you haven't insulted? you stated that we aren't wanted, and that is bullshit. thats one of the biggest insults i've heard yet it beats out calling me a bastard child or even a child of satan, yea i've heard that a few times, but saying someone is unwanted, is just about as insulting as it gets
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx If that is how you feel, then I apologize, but it doesn't change my stance on the purpose of what the original post for the video was. Look at the wording of my original post: "Forcing a woman to carry a child that is the result of a rape and/or incest is denigrating." I did not say "carrying such a child would be denigrating", It is the act of FORCING someone to do so is what is denigrating. Palin would FORCE women to carry to term regardless the origin of said pregnancy
TheSciFiCat 9 months ago
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@TheSciFiCat YOU ARE THE RAPIST, RAPING PEOPLE OF THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE, RAPING PEOPLE OF THEIR RIGHT TO FREE CHOICE, RAPING ALL OF THESE PARENTS WHO WOULD NOT HAVE CHILDREN IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE TERRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT BROUGHT ABOUT MY LIFE AND ANYONE ELSE'S BORN IN THIS SITUATION. YOU ARE THE RAPIST.
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@TheSciFiCat and might i point out, aborting does not change the fact that a person was raped, so no matter what happens after that, it's going to be hard, i'll ask you the same thing i asked the other person i commented to, what did i do to deserve to be killed. now you want to talk on a higher level of god puts us all here for a reason? i'd rather not exist if it meant that she didn't have to be raped, but the fact is she was, and she thought my life was worth living. and thank god for it.
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx Difficult to answer to "What did I do to deserved to be killed?" when "I/You", as a person, did not exist at that moment. When does exactly a bunch of cells dividing in an uterus stops being a conglomerate of cells and starts becoming a human being? What makes the cells that had to die to form the spaces between your fingers in uterus any less deserving of life. Humanity has been struggling with this issue for millennia otherwise this would not be such a heated debate.
TheSciFiCat 9 months ago
@TheSciFiCat i'm here aren't i, those cells that are so insignificant did develop into a person... it's not rocket science, a baby has to come from somewhere, whether it just be simply cells its still in fact a baby or it would not develop into a baby, its really not that hard to understand, its like everything else, people want to complicate and twist things to fit their opinion, but is a seed thats dropped from a tree not going to develop into another tree?
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx Precisely because that distinction of cells/baby is so fuzzy nobody seems to be able to reach an agreement. The things is, why does a fully developed, self aware human being has to give up her rights over her own body over the rights of a human being that as such doesn't even exist? Especially under such circumstances. If the mother is to carry to full term to raise or give for adoption is acceptable as long as it is done out of her free will, but not against it. That's all
TheSciFiCat 9 months ago
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xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
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xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@TheSciFiCat personally im against killing children. no matter how little, i dont think any child deserves to die. so you keep thinking about the mother, and keep sweeping people like me under the rug whatever helps you sleep at night. i just thank god that at 12 years old my mother had more common sense, heart, and value for life, then people like you. you may not care about your life but i certainly give a damn about mine it's real easy for people like you to talk when you've never been there
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx Good to know that you value your life and, unlike what you think, so do I value mine.
Since both our positions on the matter are irreconcilably opposed, further discussion will be fruitless.
Have a good day and a good life.
TheSciFiCat 9 months ago
Fuck sake, the KKK are more fucking liberal on abortion than fucking Palin. Look it up.
spameister 2 years ago 5
Sarah Palin, you violate the human rights of a lot of people. You say you pro life and at the same time you support murder.
trilby80 2 years ago 4
what business does a 14 year old have keeping a baby? I think if pro lifers were really pro life, they would know that kids raising kids will most likely result in a negative out come, as well as women (of any age) who doesn't want to keep it in the 1st place. Most likely, the child could end up being abused. What if the mother is a drug addict & does drugs? So much for a healthy baby.
Starsetsky428 3 years ago 4
and most pro lifers are men. go figure
Starsetsky428 3 years ago 3
do you think it is worse to have a child for 9 months and go through pain of birth or getting killed and it is not always about the pain part and i bet you havent ever even seen what a aborted kid looks like. it looks horrible. And 60% of the time the mother goes through depression because of killing a human life. And also it is funny how there is more rights now for animals then unborn children.
rawrinadino 3 years ago
I think you're wrong on your info. about women being depressed. I believe there is no direct correlation between women who had abortions and feeling depressed about it and if there are, I am certain 60% is not the accurate statistic
Starsetsky428 3 years ago 2
Yes, it is worse because abortions RARELY result in the woman getting killed. And your 60% statistic is wrong, it's been well documented that most women are fine after getting abortions and the minority of women who do go through depression either come from a religious background and/or had problems beforehand. Your response shows how little you know about the vastness of forced child birth, much less the vastness of forced child birth coupled with forced sex.
Headhunter004 3 years ago 7
i am going to have to agree with 16megagod16, you must be pretty messed in the headhunter004
rawrinadino 3 years ago
i think if all the money that goes into abortions and stuff obama would be put into actually taking care off kids and giving money to mothers and homes would be better then all these. How is taking a little bit out of someones life compares to taking away someone's whole life.and headhunter004 i would recomend that you go to google images and typing in abortion and then tell me if it looks like painless! and also headhunter004FUCCKK YOU. YOU PERSECUTE THOSE WHO CAN'T TALK YET.
16megagod16 3 years ago
It's not "taking a little bit out of someone's life" it's destroying someone's whole life entirely having a constant reminder of pain around after having to carry it for 9 long months and then be forced to give birth to it, which is EXTREMELY painful BTW (and throwing rape in there makes it that much worse) but that's quite typical of a Conservatard RepublicUNT like you to ignore the facts. Also, an embryo or fetus in it's early stages CANNOT feel pain, hell it can't feel anything period.
Headhunter004 3 years ago 7
and most abortions happen within the first 12 weeks. the nervous system isn't even there yet, so there is def. no pain for the fetus.
Starsetsky428 3 years ago 2
not to mention it doesnt even have some necessary organs yet or even a functional brain.
leiapeison 3 years ago
EXACTLY! These "pro-life" idiots are so ignorant of the facts, it's not even funny. And you're exactly right, leiapeison, if I were a girl and anyone so as much as attempted to force child birth on me (ESPECIALLY if I was pregnant because of a brutal rape attack against me), I would soooooo sue their asses. These "pro-life" morons clearly have very little understanding of the life of the pregnant mother, especially one pregnant against her will.
Headhunter004 3 years ago 3
those images are inaccurate and some are even faked. the late term ones are only done in life threatening situations but that is all they like to show. the potential to experience life does not override existing conscious life. forcing pregnancy on someone is more vile than forcing sex. it is the ultimate violation of the human person. no woman can be free if she is not secure within her own body. she will be reduced to breeding chattel. women will become second class citizens.
leiapeison 3 years ago
so what some people think is that if you get raped then you should kill your kid even though it is not there fault? Who cares if the child's father is a rapist your the kid's mother.
rawrinadino 3 years ago
It's not the mother's fault she got raped, either, why should she go through the unimaginable horror and trauma of being an incubator against her will for 9 months before having to EXTREMELY PAINFULLY give birth to the painful reminder of said violence against her? But that's quite typical of you Conservatards to ONLY think about the unborn fetus that has no feelings, consciousness or personality whatsoever (or ability to feel pain), you could care less what the WOMEN go through, idiots.
Headhunter004 3 years ago 4
AMAZING....doesn't even cringe at the thought of her daughter getting raped.
There's something wrong with this bitch.
Sshelly34213 3 years ago 5
She's not pro life, she's pro fcking rape.
Sshelly34213 3 years ago 3
you;re right. forced pregnancy is a form of sexual violation. it is a form of rape. it is more dehumanizing than forced sex. no woman should have her dignity stripped from her for some speck of dna in her uterus with no self interest to begin with. keep fighting for womens rights.
leiapeison 3 years ago
I keep trying, I honestly don't want anyone to abort children but I'd rather have a fetus aborted than go through hell on earth. Seriously Caylee Anthony wasn't aborted only to be slaughtered before the age of three?
I mean if you know you cant be a parent don't attempt it. Kids need stability, unconditional acceptance and love, and you cant force any parent to give this to a child.
Aborting a fetus isn't nearly as painful to them as having them grow up in a family that hates them.
Sshelly34213 3 years ago 5
right on!!!
leiapeison 3 years ago
I TOTALLY agree! We should support children who live! The gov. has NO right to MAKE ANYONE give birth! Especially if the mother doesn't want it, can you just imagine what would be going on in her mind if she was forced to keep it? She prob. would result to a dangerous back alley abortion
Starsetsky428 3 years ago
i know. anyone that has childbirth forced upon them should sue the govt and the prolifers for grave bodily injury for forcing the injury of childbirth upon them without their consent. no one has a right to imprison a woman in her OWN body for 9 months!!!
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maryshybossy 3 years ago
President Hussein just aborted the birth control spending plan.
Hussein is controlling a woman's body by denying them access to birth control, STD prevention and choice.
kvjhedfbv 3 years ago
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What about rape? What about incest? These horrors defy descriptive condemnation. They represent the least human and most selfish acts imaginable - along with murder - and they deserve swift and severe punishment. A woman or girl abused by rape or incest should be seen promptly, evaluated with compassion and treated appropriately to prevent conception. Should pregnancy occur, the tragedy should not be compounded by another crime: Murdering the baby.
unashamedevangelist 3 years ago
Palin is an evil bitch. She's be a perfect dictator. The very last quote by the last speaker was perfect, "Government has to do what it does best and stay out of the lives of individuals.
Kohaegan 3 years ago 2
You don't like dictators? Did you vote for Obama? He's a socialist.
unashamedevangelist 3 years ago
socialist doesn't mean dictator you stupid brainwashed fcktard
Switzerland is a socialist government, there are no dictators involved there. Please educate yourself dummy.
Sshelly34213 3 years ago
no matter how much ur against abortion, every woman will always have the right to chose, because it isn't the governments decision to force a person to give birth
hotbottoms07 3 years ago
i hear that palin Does accept abortions with rape or incest. what if her little girl was raped and preggo at 9? why would risk your own child to die giving birth on the death bed? who would do a thing like that. if she doesnt accept that no wonder she lost.haha
hotbottoms07 3 years ago
she said abortion is okay if carrying the child indangers the health of the mother. Did you even watch the video or just read the title?
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maryshybossy 3 years ago
Sarah Palin was a result of incest
bystahl 3 years ago
Another prolife fanatic! If she was raped she would be the first who would make an abortion.
elegie84 3 years ago 3
elegie- I bet someone you know (a friend, a coworker, a family member, etc) is the result of rape. Do you think that person is less valuable than someone who was not the result of rape? Would you want to see that person killed because of how they were created? What if you found out that YOU were the product of rape? Would you kill yourself?- Of course not! Then why do you want to kill others because of the sins of their father?
thejohnstonzoo 3 years ago
I think that your questions do not make any sense, because you are really nobody and nothing to judge someone who is in that terrible situation. One who is in that situation should decide what to do with her life, nobody else. Any kind of giving moral lessons in that kind of situation is completely idiotic and evil. No offense Theo :)
elegie84 3 years ago
elegie- Imagine that your talking to a friend and she tells you that she was the product of rape. Would you think less of her? I know- you would say 'no'... but when you are pro-choice in the case of rape, your words don't match up with your beliefs.
thejohnstonzoo 3 years ago
No, I wouldn't think anything bad about her, but still your argument doesn't make a big sense. I am a pro - choice, and women's choice is to make an abortion. What's the problem? Is the problem that you would force a wounded soul to give a birth to a baby that was made by some kind of criminal person? It is the easist to judge someone;)
elegie84 3 years ago
If she is just as valuable, no matter HOW she was conceived, then you aren't just pro-choice in cases or rape, your pro-choice for any reason, right?
thejohnstonzoo 3 years ago
Yes, because it is will of an individual.
elegie84 3 years ago
elegie- What about the fetus' will?
thejohnstonzoo 3 years ago
It has no will.;) Woman decides, because the fetus gets supplied from her.
elegie84 3 years ago