Plague rat experiment - Timewatch - BBC

[tigranvartanovitch]

The rat hypothesis is bunkum. The black death has died out. The bubonic plague has not. The black death was a flu-like pandemic like the Sudor Anglicus or the Spanish Influenza. If it were rats that spread the black death, then it would come back again and again. It didn't.

[andy765gtr]

obviously humans were able to spread the plague around in fleas carried on their clothing. rats also have limited dispersal ability compared to humans, who were travelling all over europe during the middle ages and certainly frommvillage to village on a daily basis. rats are largely sedentary and certainly dont roam over hundreds of miles and have the ability to leap over the channel

in light of these obvious facts, why is the rat as main vector of the plague so rarely questioned

[Zzozze]

Easy to put the blame only on rats and fleas... but the "Black Death" was at first the result of a badly controlled(?) bio-warfare!

[MrSamMagus]

First off, those rats used in the original experiment would have died of plague anyway. And second off, its a well established theory the Black Death was carried throughout the globe by means of trade among humans and originated in parts of Asia the center of trade (to this day even, ever see "Made In China") thus it is no wonder why it spread so rapidly. Spread of the diseases (Black Death has been thought to be more than just Bubonic) thus could be carried out by any means, human or animal

[000SaviourXXX]

@ijake93i

could of turned into a yummy meat pie ;D

[XxSohailAhmadxX]

@ijake93i No you first Sir. Since you care more about rats then human beings then I suggest you should volunteer yourself=D

[DarkLion1989]

@XxSohailAhmadxX and why ist it better to test it on a rat than on a Human?

[LarendriaThePagan]

This doesn't explain how there were hardly any rats as they thought there were in europe, and the face that hardly anyone got bit by fleas. My dogs have fleas and i live on a fucking farm, not once has anyone in my family been bit by ticks or fleas. This is just bullshit. There's other explanations that people dont want to believe in.

[LarendriaThePagan]

@LarendriaThePagan not to mention, where did the plague start from? It hit the most populated places in the world, why just them? We heard not of this in any other parts of the world...someone or something wanted to thin the population of mankind.

[AnotherFallen1]

@LarendriaThePagan You could be bitten by a flea and not know it, or you might just think that it was an itch. I deal with that crap daily on my ranch. Plus the reason for the out break was unsanitary living conditions. The people were dumping their fecal matter into the streets to be washed away by the rain and other peoples urine when dumped into the streets. Seeings as how these things would build up, insects, rats and other vermin would thus be attracted to the dumping sights.

[AnotherFallen1]

@LarendriaThePagan Don't forget that people are sick all the time, you've got people with diarrhea and all sorts of other ailments. When a person dies, the body ,often times, would just lay in the place of residence and rot until funeral arrangements were made and the body was "properly" disposed of (a whole had to be dug, a coffin made family notified, money payed for all the labor). Furthermore, after all the fecal matter and urine are washed away, where does it go? The answer is- ...

[AnotherFallen1]

@LarendriaThePagan Furthermore, after all the fecal matter and urine are washed away, where does it go? The answer is- into the local rivers and streams where they and other near by towns, down stream of course, get their water supply. It's not like this happens overnight, it's something that builds up over months and months. That's why you'll hear about plagues and what not in third world countries even today.

[LarendriaThePagan]

@AnotherFallen1 The black plague wasn't heard about in any other countries besides the ones that were in central asia and europe. That's it. I could be wrong though. If you're saying that fecal matter is the reason that the black plague was so horrible, then that throws out the "flea" thing.

[quakepapi]

@LarendriaThePagan well flea's can pass the plague around to humans, rats, cats and dogs. So, you can see how flea's can play its role during the Black Plague epidemic. Parts of the middle east had this plague as well, Egypt and parts of Iraq. During these times wars were all over parts of Europe, many scholars believe it was consider a world war in today's time. So, many factors could play the role. Fecal matter dump in public streets didn't help obviously.

[altec122]

can this plague transfer to humans too?

[quakepapi]

@altec122 Those the Black Death ring a bell?? hhmmmm Hmmmmm

[altec122]

@quakepapi

wikipidia'ng it now 

[Nolanhod]

@altec122 ............Have you ever heard of the "Black Plague"? it wiped out generations....centuries ago

[altec122]

@Nolanhod

wikipidia'ng it now

[000SaviourXXX]

@ijake93i

Then agian you need to think what kind of lives they had in there past life before they were reborn as rats. Not a very good one if they came back as street rats i believe.

[gulaikambing]

hmm..did the healthy rat get some food? it would die if nothing to eat

[jeremyshambles]

that was one clever frenchman

[XxSohailAhmadxX]

@ijake93i Should they tested on humans then? give us a better idea please.

[djbro16]

zombie rats!

[quakepapi]

amazing a small little flea can turn the whole world upside down.

[MrPaulyd30]

@ijake93i are you seriuos mate? millions of lives saved and your worried about one rat!!! 

[ddnguyen278]

This is how we progressed from superstitious belief that "evil" spirits killed people to actually proving that diseased fleas killed people, that alone saved millions of lives even to this day, so have solace that those few rats which died, saved millions of humans for generations to come and maybe some rats too.

[radlations]

@ddnguyen278 NONSENSE! Those rats died because of their sinful lifestyles. Homosexuality is not condoned in the christian world, therefore god struck those rats down with a painful illness to purge them of their sin.

[XxSohailAhmadxX]

@radlations lol

[yaoiobsetion]

wow.

[eliden]

i hate fleas!

[ShimshonHaGibbor]

THIS IS CRUEL !

[zulukydd]

eww rats.

[Hewhosmokeswomen]

uh oh, here comes PETA........

[cosmiccoolgirl]

Emilie Autumn =3

[Solarcoreg]

It would have died anyway. Now it died with a purpose.

[shadow1967000]

How can anyone say animals feel no pain??...I suppose when ya step on a dogs or cats tail and they scream in agony , it is just the way they laugh right??.....And if ya set them on fire , they seem to run around in JOY right.......How stupid are people really !!!. Of course they DO feel pain!!!...

[VampireBoiKira629]

i sence trolls nearby >_>

[miiwiiplay]

MURDER!!!

[FallenShards]

I hate how people think rats are just animals to test on. They're actually just about as intelligent as we are.

[MiracleKD18]

@FallenShards

What about cats and dogs being eaten by Chinese, Koreans and the Chinese?

Or what about the neanderthals - people think they were stupid cavemen, why they were not - neanderthals were smart, a neanderthal was a loving man who cared about his family, who had glue (yep, they invented glue), and the neanderthals invented religion.

Etc. etc.

People have different opnions and theories.

[VampireBoiKira629]

@MiracleKD18 they didn't "invent" religion, they created their own religion.

[Vaylemn]

@MiracleKD18 Learn English.

[VampireBoiKira629]

@FallenShards ...are you a fool? they aren't as intelligent as we are simply because they are not a sentinent species. On top of that rats/mice dont think about much more then an average mammal which i mean by their thoughts revolve around where to get food, where to live, defend self when threatend. They don't think about agriculture or making clothing. >_> fool

[yaay0]

@FallenShards would you rather them test on humans?

[banvir99999]

@FallenShards Do you see rats testing humans in labs? No. They're not intelligent as we are. They might be as smart as you but not the majority of people.

[fcdog555]

@banvir99999 You do realize that all of the animal testing that has been done by pathologists have no only saved a large amount of people but have also save large amounts of animals right? I suspect you have studied pathology though, so your comment is no surprise.

[TheGrubification]

@fcdog555 haha! agreed

[fcdog555]

@banvir99999 I meant, I suspect that you have not studied pathology btw

[mat1873]

the plague still exists ...... wow we must be fucked lol

[mediabakery]

i don't like animal experiments

[blizzard242]

@mediabakery Why? that's how effective medical research must be done.

[Zzozze]

@blizzard242 This was hi-tech medical research 110 years ago ;o)

By the way, parasites are very specie-related: I doubt that rat-fleas really bite humans...

[blizzard242]

@Zzozze Are you kidding me? How do you think bubonic plague spread. The plague is spread though bacteria spread from the fleas. Learn some real science then come back and talk.

[Zzozze]

@blizzard242 From man to man: like an epidemy.

Rat-fleas are a reservoir for Yersinia Pestis in the same way the chinese ducks are for Haemophilus influenzae in the seasonal (natural) flu: not all the flu patients are biten by a duck.

If you believe that physicians are always 100% right in their beliefes, just make a research on CCSVI for example. Read the wikipedia article and see on the MS-forums what patients have to say after the got the venoplasty operation.

(even vids on my channel)

[blizzard242]

@Zzozze Bubonic Plague is a rodent disease and is not human to human endemic. One human can not spread it to another human. The way it is spread is though the rat flea. The fleas feed on a rat, the rat dies, the fleas look for a new host. When people live in the same aria as these rats (as they did in mid-evil Europe) the fleas started to host on humans. The fleas spread the disease from one host to another. If you are referring to Pneumonic plague, yes that can spread person to person.

[Zzozze]

@blizzard242 So you assume that the human flea can't spread the disease from one human to another... ok, I have no idea if does or not.

Only funny is that Paul-Louis Simond made his experiment 1898 in India with a flea that was discovered only 5 years later by Nathanael de Rothschild in Egypt and named by him after a pharoah... not so "scientific".

[LaurieA11]

@mediabakery Well without them you could have the plague >:D

[madundy]

@mediabakery animals don't feel pain



[XGrellSebastian]

@mediabakery but if we hadn't done this, how are we supposed to find cures? That is stupid, really

[carnivalchaotic]

@XGrellSebastian There are many other, much more effective methods of conducting testing.

[Daffy711]

cool

[saadez]

Now we know Islam calls mice & rats fawasiq (evil or corrupt) and allows us to kill them even while in Makkah for Haj and Umrah

also

crows, kites (hawk-like birds), mice/rats, scorpions and mad dogs 

[fiendin281]

@saadez islam also says a lot of other retarded shit

[fiendin281]

islam also says a lot of other retarded shit

[VampireBoiKira629]

@fiendin281 how about go study religion and see their side first? islam and muslim were one of the first few religions. ofcourse you wouldnt understand it at first glance unless you looked into it.

[bobtendo]

Kill it with fire.

[flashash2k9]

@MSNOVAES go away.

[ALAPINO]

-- What episode was this? I want to catch the whole program.

[TheWiggy12]

when i saw plauge i though zombies but this is worse my pet rapt is in danger

[903harman]

@TheWiggy12 umm your in danger...

[MasterAsra]

@903harman I'd be worried too if I had a pet raptor.

[TheWiggy12]

@903harman mabye there is a shot or somting

[MoCityDon1508]

wow

[commandotoy]

52nd comment YEAH :DDDD

[Herimia]

ohk first comment

[LetsStartARiotJordan]

@Herimia It dosent matter if your first comment what you have to aim for is being last comment!