Oh, thank goodness they're not endangered! Now that I know THAT, I can club hundreds to death with no remorse! Idiot. The point is that it's cruel and unnecessary to kill seals, regardless of whether or not they are endangered. There is nothing humane about clubbing and shooting animals. Saying it's no more cruel than a slaughterhouse is... I don't even know what to say now; SLAUGHTERHOUSES ARE CRUEL TOO. You have failed, Harper.
Harper angers me. He says things that are lies. He doesn't speak for me and he won't let me speak through my own MP. Clubbing babies is wrong. Would u club your own baby, .or anyone elses for money?
The seal hunt is evil, cruel and vicious. Nothing humane about any animal husbandry.They turn a blind eye because of the money aspect. He talks about slaughterhouses like a spa
All animals are sentient beings, like you and me. They feel pain, like you and me. They understand fear and show it.
Harper angers me. He says things that are lies. He doesn't speak for me and he won't let me speak through my own MP. Clubbing babies is wrong. Would u club your own baby, .or anyone elses for money?
The seal hunt is evil, cruel and vicious. Nothing humane about any animal husbandry.They turn a blind eye because of the money aspect. He talks about slaughterhouses like a spa
All animals are sentient beings, like you and me. They feel pain, like you and me. They understand fear and show it.
Harper angers me. He says things that are lies. He doesn't speak for me and he won't let me speak through my own MP. Clubbing babies is wrong. Would u club your own baby, .or anyone elses for money?
The seal hunt is evil, cruel and vicious. Nothing humane about any animal husbandry.They turn a blind eye because of the money aspect. He talks about slaughterhouses like a spa
All animals are sentient beings, like you and me. They feel pain, like you and me. They understand fear and show it.
Harper angers me. He says things that are lies. He doesn't speak for me and he won't let me speak through my own MP. Clubbing babies is wrong. Would u club your own baby, .or anyone elses for money?
The seal hunt is evil, cruel and vicious. Nothing humane about any animal husbandry.They turn a blind eye because of the money aspect. He talks about slaughterhouses like a spa
All animals are sentient beings, like you and me. They feel pain, like you and me. They understand fear and show it.
STOP THE SEAL HUNT and Harper doesnt know a thing. Wasting our money which is needed elsewhere in the country on a dumb dying industry like the seal hunt, and marketing seal products in Asia and such!
Don't try to stop the seal hunt based on moralistic and environmental issues. A business case can be made instead. The seal hunt is heavily subsidized. A lot of money could be saved simply by stopping those subsidies.
He's such a fucking moron, It has nothing to do with the population, it has to do with their right to live. And we treat every industry the same, Its wrong no matter what animal they are slaughter. Why did he win again? he's a complete fucking moron.
i'm not a harper fan by any means, but he's absolutely right. it would be hasty to take such drastic actions to protect a species that is not even close to being endangered. the effects of global warming on seals are not harmful enough to put a halt to the livelihoods of so many hunters
dont put animal rights ahead of human rights. hunters depend on the seals
@MrAccountguy Actually we can assume that by stopping the hunt that over population will occur. Even with killing 4-5% of the population during the hunt the population grows. Now the herd is at approx 6.9 million seals, the last survey put them at 5-6 million.
@Iammyself920 Fallacious argument. Harp seals do not kill other harp seals therefore it is inhumane when they kill fish - that is of couse by your very own general rule of thumb.
@Iammyself920 Murder is a human related term, it doesn't apply to animals. Regardless if fish can feel emotions or not, your previous point applies. If it doesn't it's speciesist or discriminatory.
I hate how he calls this a "minority view", it sounds like you know your smarts a lot more than this man does!
And the fact that he says seals are far from endangered is complete bullshit. Comparing with cows. Etc. The more these seals get slaughtered, the less chances they have of their species surviving. This hunt should have stopped a very long time ago.
@Ersabette To use that argument, you need to show proof that it is a minority argument. Unfortunately, you can't substantiate that so your point is a fallacy.
@misfitdoll23 What makes you think he's assuming? The truth of the matter is that the majority could really care less about this issue. The number of participants during the recent protests not only here in Canada (12 showed up in Halifax) but other countries such as Australia (a whopping 4) were pitiful.
These are living, breathing beings. These seals have done nothing to humans, and they are completely defenseless. It is wrong that they are being killed for money, or for some rich woman to wear as a coat. They are living, and they deserve to keep on doing so.
@misfitdoll23 The fish the seals kill have done nothing to the seals. The seals are not being killed for money, first and foremost the hunt manages wildlife to keep the pop at a sustainable level for their habitat. If the industry does not exist a gov't funded cull will take it's place and the same seals will be killed by the same sealers. Give the seals some credit, they most certainly do have defenses.
@Ersabette Cont to misfitdoll - To answer your question, yes, I do feel the hunt should continue as it is. If there is no industry nothing will be used of the seal = 100% waste. If fur became more accessible more people other than those can afford it would wear it. Fur is eco-friendly, it is biodegradeable and non-toxic unlike synthetic materials that harm our health and the health of the planet.
That's a minority view among Canadians? Absolutely not. It is also not regulated by scientific regulations. It is also not killed in any way shape or form of a humane manner.
@cphunk The hakapik which is used roughly 5% of the hunt has in fact been proven a humane tool to kill seals. However, rifles are primarily used during the hunt.
@Ersabette Perhaps we weren't watching the same video. Did you not notice the bludgeoned seals writhing all over the ice and others with blood spraying from their heads falling into the water to ultimately drown? Please explain how that is even remotely humane?
@cphunk Apparently we were not watching the same video as there are no seals in this one. Despite that when you remove the melodrama and emotive response to such images you so eloquently described then one is able to understand how the crushing of the skull by the hakapik renders the seals unconcious or dead in seconds. That aside, the hakapik as I've already mentioned is used only 5% during the hunt.
@MrAccountguy I agree with being cautious however the assumption could be applied to both sides. It might not be an ice issue, it could be disease that threatens the herd. This year is too early to be able to tell. If there is a lack of ice next year then a trend could be developing that is workable. It's time for me to get supper on the go. Hopefully we'll continue this another time. Peace.
@MrAccountguy It really is a shame that we need to regulate ourselves or have someone else regulate us! I think we would be much better off if we had kept a lot of the same practises that were done years ago, only adopting the new ones that would help us. Perhaps the Amish have the right idea in terms of lifestyle.
@MrAccountguy Overeating, you nailed it right there. We have turned food into a past time. If we start viewing food for what it is or should be (fuel) we would all be much healthier, including our planet. Processed has taken over our lives!
@MrAccountguy " I don't mean to direct this at you, it is afterall a species wide issue. We developed past eating grass all day, and being content, A LONG TIME AGO!" Not sure what you're getting at here. If you're speaking of evolotion, evolution does have it's place to benefit society. I do not feel this is one of those instances or benefits.
@MrAccountguy I do not wish to assume things. If the time comes that ice becomes a problem for the seal population then I will expect appropriate action be taken and if it's not I will speak just as loudly to be sure it does - ie: the hunt stops.
@MrAccountguy If we were to look at all the cultures of our species we would realize there is no next species to be exploited - they're all being exploited already. I think taking some from everything is beneficial because it doesn't put a lot of pressure on one species or system. Plus in terms of our health we can not get all the right nutrients we need from one kind of meat, veggie, fruit, etc. You may want to think about adding some greens to your diet =)
@MrAccountguy I completely agree with taking only what's necessary. I do think it's very possible to over exploit a species. I do not want to have to consume factory farmed food all the time. I feel much safer eating from the wild. Seals are used as food as many sealers do eat the meat. Seals are a migratory species that need ice, farming them wouldn't be realistic. Also I don't want to eat the same things all the time, understandably.
@MrAccountguy Sealers nor activists have say in scientific based peer reviewed reports. The reports I speak of were commissioned and conducted by independent veterinarians, not government funded.
@MrAccountguy True about the ice. The effect of this years lack of ice on the seals is yet to be seen or whether the ice conditions is a reoccurring event.
@MrAccountguy I'm just replying to what I think I haven't replied to! LOL The comments sections here on YT are no good for debates because it can get confusing with the limited characters.
@MrAccountguy Again, you're speculating. I do not doubt that the government would like nothing more than this issue to just go away. Many species kill one another to survive. Why humans and seals are any different I will never know.
@MrAccountguy Mother nature's way of culling a over populated species is through starvation and disease which could threaten the whole herd - in other words bring them to extinction. Humans are a part of nature, our very existence effects other species. We have responsibilities and can not simply sit idly by and watch species disappear because it's nature's way of dealing with a problem we are a part of. That's not a reasonable solution for us, the planet or the seals.
@MrAccountguy Perhaps then you need to stop applying your hunting experience on land and look objectively at the seal hunt which is obviously a very different situation. The seal hunt is closely monitored compared to land based hunts.
@MrAccountguy What I base my opinion on is peer reviewed material which activist groups have not been able to offer. Video regardless of who is filming can be easily manipulated. The lack of video evidence on DFO's part doesn't mean anything.
@MrAccountguy I haven't been on a seal hunt however that doesn't mean I can not understand how it works. Some of my information comes directly from sealers themselves.
@MrAccountguy The donations activist groups receives pays for their equipment and activities on the ice. The sealers are not saints. Of course I recognize a level of human error however activists should recognize the same rather than making the sealers out to be brutal barbarians, expecting perfection 100% of the time.
@MrAccountguy According to the DFO, there are coast guard helicopters and ships that monitor the hunt, although, they cannot monitor all of the 'hunters' activities at once over a large area. Animal Rights groups also have helicopters and boats watching the hunt.
@MrAccountguy The other problem is that if the sealer is shooting the seal from his boat, with the motion of the waves and aiming issues, sometimes, seals are shot (not in the head) and they slip under the ice and fall into the ocean. These seals are not recovered or counted in the end quota. They are lost to the Ocean and killed for nothing.
@foxshots Do have any way of knowing how often this occurs? Give the sealers some credit to one 1) not intentionally take such a shot and 2) waste their bullets to try to make such a shot. Bullets cost them money too.
@Ersabette I don't know how often it occurs, but I know that it happens. No one is a perfect shot and seals will try and find safety in the water once they are injured. I know that bullets cost money too, and you're right, the sealer shouldn't take those shots, but - human error happens. It's just unfortunate for those seals who die for nothing. I have come across reports of this happening in my research, I will try and find the articles.
@foxshots I'm not arguing that it doesn't happen and yes, it is unfortunate. Does it happen enough that the hunt should be shut down? No. As we've already spoke about if there's no industry and the size of the seal herd starts to threaten the ecosystem and the seals themselves the seals will be killed and die for nothing under a cull.
@Ersabette ... you know me girl! I would still fight the cull to the 'death' no pun intended. But, I do feel that with the lack of ice, there will be no need for a cull in the future, because the herds numbers will most certainly decline if this issue of climate change and no ice continues.
@MrAccountguy The hunters are not alone. Many of the boats carry observers including vets and DFO officers. Not to mention the coast guard is also monitoring. PETA does not observe the seal hunt.
@MrAccountguy I'm not interested in a care2 site. The "many violations" they discuss are unfounded. Perhaps you'd like to read the whole report from EFSA as observers provided supposed evidence of a number of live skinnings - the EFSA panel could not determine one case of such.
@MrAccountguy NL I am aware of has this regulation. From the time it takes the sealer to get from the boat to the seal to retrieve it - could be seconds or a minute. Please think about what a bullet to the head means to a mammal with not only a relatively small head but a thin skull. This is why the caliber is set to what it is as it kills the seal effectively compared with other calibers.
@MrAccountguy Something can not be a fact and a theory at the same time. Sealers are professionals. Yes there are some who ruin it for others but they do not represent the sealers as a whole.
@MrAccountguy During moose hunts the hunter is required to wait 30minutes after shooting the moose before retrieving it. Sealers do not wait long before retrieving the seal and it is not often the first shot doesn't kill the seal.
@MrAccountguy A seals skull is egg shell thin when they are killed. A swift strike will result in irreversible unconsciousness therefore it does constitute a humane kill because the seal will not feel any pain. Please google EFSA-Q-2007-118 and read the section on the hakapik.
@Ersabette The problem with the lack of enforcement is that there are important regulations that have been put in place to ensure that each seal is killed 'humanly'. IMO, these regulations are still not good enough because as you know, I don't agree with the hunt all together. But, if there were proper enforcement and punishment for not following the regulations during the hunt, I think a lot of sealers wouldn't be able to afford the fines incurred for not following the rules.
@foxshots Regardless whether you agree with the seal hunt or not the regulations need to be looked at objectively. You disagreeing with the hunt doesn't prove the regulations are not good enough. A number of deserving sealers have been fined substantially for not following the regulations. Just because you may feel a action is not following the regulations doesn't make it so. The sealers could be following the regulations and activist groups are making it out they're not and not being fined.
@Ersabette Cont: An example of this is I have heard IFAW accusing the sealers of rarely performing the blink test. With guns being mostly used a seal might not have a head to perform the blink test on. Many sealers have stated this happens frequently so while IFAW is actually telling the truth they are also misleading the public to think otherwise.
@Ersabette That point alone is why there should be more enforcement. I understand both sides - If there is no head - no blink test can occur - but, at the same time, how often does this happen? The DFO should make their footage available to the public in defence of the sealers if this is the case. Otherwise, we only see what is available, and it is through the eyes of Animal Rights groups. I still don't agree that these procedures are humane.
@foxshots What point alone is why there should be more enforcement? The sealers are not aiming for the body because the pelt needs to be intact so they aim for the head and the caliber that is used has been recommended because of its effectiveness. DFO does make their info public, it's all there on their site and you can see when not only sealers but fishermen as well are charged and fined for violations. DFO can't make you see what you don't want to.
@Ersabette I meant the point about how the Animal Rights people say different (the blink test). I've seen the DFO site and the charges listed, I know they are public. There aren't many charges against sealers. If there were more enforcement, I'm sure we would see more fines. That was what I was trying to get across.
@foxshots If there aren't many charges against sealers naturally there aren't many violations. You're trying to create a problem when there really isn't one.
@Ersabette who cares WHERE they strike them? the POINT is that baby seals are being slaughtered JUST for their fur, that should be repugnant to anyone who isnt a troglodyte!
@Shoknifeman If the humaness of the seal hunt is a factor to you then you should care a great deal where the seals are struck. Baby seals are NOT being slaughtered and the seals are NOT killed for their fur alone. Try reading the peer reviewed reports, I'd be happy to point them out to you.
@Ersabette What are you, a propagandist for the seal murderers or the Reform-atory govmt? Either way, I wouldnt trust you or their one-sided reports, as far as I could throw them XD
@Ersabette Well, as a person who has no power, whatsoever, other than what little power one has with his vote (The politicos pretty much do whatever their "party policy" tells them to); I don't see where my being trusted or not has to do with anything in the big picture; I think for myself, not for some party spin. To be honest, I am a life-long and very proud liberal, but, I never "tow the party line", as I believe that is the TRUE meaning of liberalism.
@Shoknifeman Initially trust seemed to be an issue for you, you not trusting me gave you an excuse to dismiss the reports; now trust has nothing to do with anything in the big picture. Please make up your mind.
@Shoknifeman I'd also have to disagree that you have no power. If you have a voice you have power. Even the smallest of actions can and do make a difference.
@Ersabette id say i had a little power, but, let's face it, voters can do little to change a politician's mind, they listen to the people's opinions, then do what they were going to , in the first place. BTW, very nice photography on that webpage... strangely, you and Foxshots have the exact same format for your photography webpages (Good friends who like to fight over the seal hunt, or , coincedence???)
@Shoknifeman There are a lot more of us than there are of them. If you want to believe you have little power sobeit but I believe otherwise. Thank you for your compliment re: my photos. However, the only similiarities I see between Foxshots and myself is that we share the same hobby and in our own way care about the planet.
@Ersabette Well, that and you both used the same template for your webpages , haha
Understand that I am no Peta nutball, I eat meat, and love it, however, I have 2 rules, A will not hunt/kill anything myself and, I will not eat wild meat, only domesticated animals; I feel that wild animals should only be eating each other! haha (And, I am totally against the killing of animals for their fur, which I find immoral)
@Shoknifeman Hmmm, the last time I saw her page it was very different from mine with a lot more than just photography but it really doesn't matter.
I prefer to eat wild for 1, they lived their lives free as opposed to domesticated factory farmed 2, healthier (they are able to eat what they are meant to rather than being fed a mix of what's cheapest which is then what we eat) 3, t0 help maintain healthy pops - hunters are largely responsible for the conservation 4, I rather depend on myself
@Ersabette cont: for survival as much as I can than someone else. 5, we are animals too that surprise suprise rely on other animals. 6, fur is eco-friendly and safer than synthetic materials for both us and the environment. 7, I'd rather see animals killed and used in some way (preferably as much as possible) than killed as pests and not used at all. If the industry for seals dies the seals will still be killed under a cull to manage their pops and nothing at all will be used.
@Shoknifeman You don't know me well enough to make that assumption. What pisses me off to be very honest with you is when the so-called argument gets tough you take the easy way out. The people who depend on the hunt and the seals who could face starvation and/or disease due to over population if the hunt stops are not offered that same convenience.
@Shoknifeman You just basically gave the definition for debate and yet you don't care for debating. Perhaps you should've thought about that before initiating this conversation esp. now that you threw the "lets agree to disagree" BS after a number of points you have no reasonable answer to. If you're going to hold the view that you do than you better have something better than "lets agree to disagree".
@Ersabette Man, you sure enjoy arguing , don't you? As I said, I give my opinion then let others give theirs, I have no interest in arguing their points or mine, debate simply isn't something I care for; i like to read the opinions of others, but, that's as far as it goes; if you want debate, run for office; it's not my thing. ;)
@Shoknifeman Debating is just that, the exchanging of differing views. No, I don't particularly enjoy arguing. In general I respect and can accept opposing views. That is how we learn. When I can not accept such views is when opinions such as yours are based so heavily in ignorance and can negatively affect others. Where exactly is the morality in allowing something to starve to death? Your idea of ethics will only cause long term harm to that which you seek to protect!
@Ersabette While I personally hate hunting, I can excuse a cull of older adults (whether I like it or not) to save the herd, what I strongly object to is the hunt of the BABY seals for their fur , mind you, I believe that the adult seals should ONLY be hunted by the aboriginals/Inuit as they use them properly. But frankly, hunting (and trophy hunters) is something that I personally hate. Now then, I hope that clears everything up for you... Now, conversation over.
@Shoknifeman Taking the older adults or breeding stock would threaten the herd. Considering that the babies are not hunted - they are atleast one month at the time they are killed and independent of their mothers and they are not killed for their fur - the industry is secondary after pop management you shouldn't have any problems with the hunting of seals. The Inuit's use of the seals differs little. Both groups sell the pelts and eat the meat. Take care.
@Ersabette Sure - They shoot/stun the seal, must wait 60 seconds after bleeding them out (cutting the main artery under the flipper) and then they can be skinned. This is a mammal we are talking about, do you think that they can be bleed out and dead within one minute? I'm sure that not all cases are so. Regardless of how these animals are killed for their fur, I don't think that we should be killing off the unique mammals in our Oceans for fashion. We have evolved past this, or we should...
@foxshots They're not pelting the seal immediately after the kill. They may not even start pelting until they're done shooting for the day when the boat is anchored and stable. The attitude that we don't need fur is dangerous. I would much rather wear natural fur than toxic synthetics. Atleast the fur isn't killing me and the planet.
@MrAccountguy Standing directly in front of the seal and being able to immediately strike it a second time if the first doesn't crush the skull results in a quick and humane kill. In fact it is recommended that a sealer strike a minimum of 3 times regardless. Unfortunetely you're ignoring that the use of the hakapik makes up 5% of the kills, the other 95% are shot.
@MrAccountguy If the regulations don't warm your heart perhaps a little more reading into the issue would help you understand how these regulations help make it a humane practise.
@MrAccountguy Cattle in slaughterhouses are stunned with cattle prods much the same way the seals are stunned with the hakapik. The prod renders the cattle in a state of irreversible unconsciousness - unable to feel pain - before they're slaughtered.
@MrAccountguy It's called a hakapik and you most likely won't see more videos with the use of the gun because shooting seals doesn't offer the same emotional response as the hakapik. A lot of the images you see from the hunt are recycled because the hakapik is used so rarely.
"The seal hunt is a small hunt relative to many other aspects of animal husbandry in this country." LOL!!! The Canadian commercial seal hunt is the largest slaughter of marine mammals on planet earth!!! How can you down-play that Mr. Goebles???
@CoffinCornerX The UK kills approximately the same percentage (4-5%) of their seal population as Canada does theirs. Canada has the largest seal herd off their coast which is why it is labelled "the largest slaughter of marine mammals on planet earth".
the government is a bunch of buttfucking freedom takers. Fuck the seals. Fuck global warming and especially fuck their wasting of our money on fags and iligitimate kids and imported fucktards
sorry about what harper said hes kind of stupid please dont judge all canadiens by his actions most of us are not conservative dumbasses. if you agree please reply remember vote NDP
foxshot, seal are fine there's alot u just butthurt they get raped by baseball bats when they die. there's more important things going on in the world, Stephen harper understands that u retard.
@foxshots WoW really isnt that important to people its a video game. I meant things like the economy. lol and if your trying to make my feel stupid or that i am a geek or something cause i like wow idc since this is the interwebs and i ahve no reason to get butt hurt from your comments. I also dont realy underand how the deaths of seals is that important tbh.
Notice how Harper carefully words his comments on the people who depend on the hunt - 'the Inuit and other traditional communities'. That is our government blurring the lines between the two separate hunts in Canada. One is for subsistence the other for the commercial industry.
@foxshots The Inuit rely on the markets just as the sealers do which is why they are fighting back against the EU. Remove the largest part of the market which came from the commercial industry and the Inuit also suffer regardless of any exemptions in the ban. Markets can not hold or be built upon from such a small import. Call it what you want but these are traditional communities, I happen to live in one.
Then let the Inuit establish their own markets. They're thinking and entrepreneurial people too. In fact it behooves them to establish their own markets rather than commingle it with the wasteful, disgraceful and inhumane commercial seal hunt. If, as you suggest, Inuit markets cannot indeed uphold themselves, then maybe it's just capitalistic wheels in motion.
@CoffinCornerX The inuit are more than welcome to establish their own markets. Why don't you allow the sealers off the east coast to do the same so the seals are fully utilized? Instead you work to control the markets so you can continue to complain of the waste. 95% of the seals are shot. The use of guns to kill animals is widely acceptable.
I would have to say that your question that was answered was only altered in that a word was added being "qualified". You had asked 3 questions - one was selected and in fact answered as it had been asked. Perhaps next time you should focus on being more direct in your question.
@Ersabette Yes, they could. But, the whole idea behind this interview was to reach out to the masses. Not, edit the question to suit his answer. He used other video questions without changing them - just not the one on the seal hunt.
@foxshots How simplistic were the questions others asked that were not altered and how many questions did they ask? If it was more than one did Harper answer all? Again, only one word was added to one of your questions.
@Ersabette Ok, maybe you are missing the point. It's all about the lead up - there was no need for him to remove the whole basis of my question. I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing here, so if you feel that he answered it, great. It won't change the fact that it's clear his people omitted the real issue that was of concern. They could have simply cut my video short if they felt I asked too many questions. They didn't. They left out the part that he didn't want to address.
@foxshots "They could have simply cut my video short if they felt I asked too many questions." Which they did, they cut your video and answered your question including the ice in an indirect way. Ice conditions and its effect on the seal herd is a science issue to which Harper said the decisions regarding the seal hunt are based in science not the wants of the hunters.
@Ersabette Why then did Gail Shea make an announcement that the decision to continue with the hunt this year would be left to the sealers? Scientists from all areas of the Country are arguing that the hunt should be cancelled due to the lack of sea ice.
@foxshots Shea said in an Embassy article to which you have already commented on "The seal hunt, we expect, will probably be much smaller than in the past." It is still a science based decision, Shea realized that not many sealers would be taking part this year and that small of a number would not have a serious impact on the herd regardless of ice conditions because so few were killed last year. Next year could be a year of concern, but not this year.
@Ersabette It wasn't about the one altered word, it was about the premise of the question that was left out. My whole question was based on the lack of sea ice on the St. Lawrence. Not on the hunt itself. I thought I clearly stated that ;)
@foxshots And I honestly feel he answered that, it is about the science, not the sealers. There are actually many sealers questioning the quota this year, it certainly wasn't increased because the sealers asked for it.
Listening to his voice, churns my blood. He's a sick fuck.
revolution1940 1 month ago
Oh, thank goodness they're not endangered! Now that I know THAT, I can club hundreds to death with no remorse! Idiot. The point is that it's cruel and unnecessary to kill seals, regardless of whether or not they are endangered. There is nothing humane about clubbing and shooting animals. Saying it's no more cruel than a slaughterhouse is... I don't even know what to say now; SLAUGHTERHOUSES ARE CRUEL TOO. You have failed, Harper.
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Harper angers me. He says things that are lies. He doesn't speak for me and he won't let me speak through my own MP. Clubbing babies is wrong. Would u club your own baby, .or anyone elses for money?
The seal hunt is evil, cruel and vicious. Nothing humane about any animal husbandry.They turn a blind eye because of the money aspect. He talks about slaughterhouses like a spa
All animals are sentient beings, like you and me. They feel pain, like you and me. They understand fear and show it.
BCPinkWabbit 8 months ago
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Harper angers me. He says things that are lies. He doesn't speak for me and he won't let me speak through my own MP. Clubbing babies is wrong. Would u club your own baby, .or anyone elses for money?
The seal hunt is evil, cruel and vicious. Nothing humane about any animal husbandry.They turn a blind eye because of the money aspect. He talks about slaughterhouses like a spa
All animals are sentient beings, like you and me. They feel pain, like you and me. They understand fear and show it.
BCPinkWabbit 8 months ago
Harper angers me. He says things that are lies. He doesn't speak for me and he won't let me speak through my own MP. Clubbing babies is wrong. Would u club your own baby, .or anyone elses for money?
The seal hunt is evil, cruel and vicious. Nothing humane about any animal husbandry.They turn a blind eye because of the money aspect. He talks about slaughterhouses like a spa
All animals are sentient beings, like you and me. They feel pain, like you and me. They understand fear and show it.
BCPinkWabbit 8 months ago 2
Harper angers me. He says things that are lies. He doesn't speak for me and he won't let me speak through my own MP. Clubbing babies is wrong. Would u club your own baby, .or anyone elses for money?
The seal hunt is evil, cruel and vicious. Nothing humane about any animal husbandry.They turn a blind eye because of the money aspect. He talks about slaughterhouses like a spa
All animals are sentient beings, like you and me. They feel pain, like you and me. They understand fear and show it.
BCPinkWabbit 8 months ago
STOP THE SEAL HUNT and Harper doesnt know a thing. Wasting our money which is needed elsewhere in the country on a dumb dying industry like the seal hunt, and marketing seal products in Asia and such!
BulgarianInCanada 9 months ago
Don't try to stop the seal hunt based on moralistic and environmental issues. A business case can be made instead. The seal hunt is heavily subsidized. A lot of money could be saved simply by stopping those subsidies.
harbar3000 10 months ago
I hate Harper. But I hate Seals even more!
LongBow1600 10 months ago 2
he clale dit a small hunt wat the hell
GAXxJUNAIDxXGA 1 year ago
vote liberals cmon guyssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
lyle603 1 year ago
Again with the "Premise" ?????
mcnowski 1 year ago
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Harper has the kind of face that just SAYS: "I'm lying through my teeth and I don't care!" XD
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
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Shoknifeman 1 year ago
Haper LOSE.
peta chick wins.
--> i agree; they should stop the seal hunt.
xoblackout 1 year ago
He's such a fucking moron, It has nothing to do with the population, it has to do with their right to live. And we treat every industry the same, Its wrong no matter what animal they are slaughter. Why did he win again? he's a complete fucking moron.
xPixelatedxMemoriesx 1 year ago
@xPixelatedxMemoriesx Awww you shouldnt call the fucking moron names XD haha
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
I find it hilarious that people bitch about seals yet when was the last time someone complained about the war?
shoopdawoop3 1 year ago
Harper is correct on this one. The seal hunt is fine and is down right angelic compared to the way many animals are treated.
brokenbrainz1 1 year ago
Harper WIN.
peta chick fail.
guyincognito84 1 year ago
@guyincognito84 Are you one of those 'online monitors' paid by our Government? LOL
foxshots 1 year ago 6
@foxshots The government pays well.
guyincognito84 1 year ago
@foxshots
i'm not a harper fan by any means, but he's absolutely right. it would be hasty to take such drastic actions to protect a species that is not even close to being endangered. the effects of global warming on seals are not harmful enough to put a halt to the livelihoods of so many hunters
dont put animal rights ahead of human rights. hunters depend on the seals
chummel88 1 year ago
What a great tradition! I hope it goes on forever... hey, I might just gut me a seal right now, as a proud Canadian!
majortuff 1 year ago
stop the Massacre
Chrissyh221 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy Actually we can assume that by stopping the hunt that over population will occur. Even with killing 4-5% of the population during the hunt the population grows. Now the herd is at approx 6.9 million seals, the last survey put them at 5-6 million.
Ersabette 1 year ago
"the most humane uhhh, one of the most human cases of animal husbandry in the world"
A general rule of thumb i use, if you cant do it to humans, its not humane.
The seal hunt is sustainable. So is a human hunt, in fact it would be more ecological to hunt humans.
People rely on the hunt for there livelihoods. Bet you i could make a business out of killing people; international arms trade.
Its okay because we kill more cows and chickens than seals. So i can at least kill some people?
Iammyself920 1 year ago
@Iammyself920 Fallacious argument. Harp seals do not kill other harp seals therefore it is inhumane when they kill fish - that is of couse by your very own general rule of thumb.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Sure, i dont care much for fish because they dont feel emotions but i dont eat them. But yeah, i find murder inhumane. believe it or not.
Iammyself920 1 year ago
@Iammyself920 Murder is a human related term, it doesn't apply to animals. Regardless if fish can feel emotions or not, your previous point applies. If it doesn't it's speciesist or discriminatory.
Ersabette 1 year ago
I hate how he calls this a "minority view", it sounds like you know your smarts a lot more than this man does!
And the fact that he says seals are far from endangered is complete bullshit. Comparing with cows. Etc. The more these seals get slaughtered, the less chances they have of their species surviving. This hunt should have stopped a very long time ago.
misfitdoll23 1 year ago
@misfitdoll23 Where is the proof that states that it is not a minority view?
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette To use that argument, you need to show proof that it is a minority argument. Unfortunately, you can't substantiate that so your point is a fallacy.
cphunk 1 year ago
@cphunk Which is exactly what I asked for, proof that it is a minority view so no, it is not a fallacious argument.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette
It doesn't matter if it is or isn't. But to me, just by him automatically assuming it's a "minor view" is pretty shitty.
misfitdoll23 1 year ago
@misfitdoll23 What makes you think he's assuming? The truth of the matter is that the majority could really care less about this issue. The number of participants during the recent protests not only here in Canada (12 showed up in Halifax) but other countries such as Australia (a whopping 4) were pitiful.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette
Everyone has their own opinion. It's a serious situation that should be stopped, no matter what.
misfitdoll23 1 year ago
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Ersabette 1 year ago
@misfitdoll23 Why should sealing be stopped, in your opinion?
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette
These are living, breathing beings. These seals have done nothing to humans, and they are completely defenseless. It is wrong that they are being killed for money, or for some rich woman to wear as a coat. They are living, and they deserve to keep on doing so.
Do you feel that it should continue?
misfitdoll23 1 year ago
@misfitdoll23 The fish the seals kill have done nothing to the seals. The seals are not being killed for money, first and foremost the hunt manages wildlife to keep the pop at a sustainable level for their habitat. If the industry does not exist a gov't funded cull will take it's place and the same seals will be killed by the same sealers. Give the seals some credit, they most certainly do have defenses.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Cont to misfitdoll - To answer your question, yes, I do feel the hunt should continue as it is. If there is no industry nothing will be used of the seal = 100% waste. If fur became more accessible more people other than those can afford it would wear it. Fur is eco-friendly, it is biodegradeable and non-toxic unlike synthetic materials that harm our health and the health of the planet.
Ersabette 1 year ago
That's a minority view among Canadians? Absolutely not. It is also not regulated by scientific regulations. It is also not killed in any way shape or form of a humane manner.
cphunk 1 year ago
@cphunk The hakapik which is used roughly 5% of the hunt has in fact been proven a humane tool to kill seals. However, rifles are primarily used during the hunt.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Perhaps we weren't watching the same video. Did you not notice the bludgeoned seals writhing all over the ice and others with blood spraying from their heads falling into the water to ultimately drown? Please explain how that is even remotely humane?
Such a ridiculous post...
cphunk 1 year ago
@cphunk Apparently we were not watching the same video as there are no seals in this one. Despite that when you remove the melodrama and emotive response to such images you so eloquently described then one is able to understand how the crushing of the skull by the hakapik renders the seals unconcious or dead in seconds. That aside, the hakapik as I've already mentioned is used only 5% during the hunt.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy I agree with being cautious however the assumption could be applied to both sides. It might not be an ice issue, it could be disease that threatens the herd. This year is too early to be able to tell. If there is a lack of ice next year then a trend could be developing that is workable. It's time for me to get supper on the go. Hopefully we'll continue this another time. Peace.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy It really is a shame that we need to regulate ourselves or have someone else regulate us! I think we would be much better off if we had kept a lot of the same practises that were done years ago, only adopting the new ones that would help us. Perhaps the Amish have the right idea in terms of lifestyle.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy Overeating, you nailed it right there. We have turned food into a past time. If we start viewing food for what it is or should be (fuel) we would all be much healthier, including our planet. Processed has taken over our lives!
Ersabette 1 year ago
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@MrAccountguy " I don't mean to direct this at you, it is afterall a species wide issue. We developed past eating grass all day, and being content, A LONG TIME AGO!" Not sure what you're getting at here. If you're speaking of evolotion, evolution does have it's place to benefit society. I do not feel this is one of those instances or benefits.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy I do not wish to assume things. If the time comes that ice becomes a problem for the seal population then I will expect appropriate action be taken and if it's not I will speak just as loudly to be sure it does - ie: the hunt stops.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy HaHa, so you did. I know you're messing but it's really not about the points, at least not for me.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy If we were to look at all the cultures of our species we would realize there is no next species to be exploited - they're all being exploited already. I think taking some from everything is beneficial because it doesn't put a lot of pressure on one species or system. Plus in terms of our health we can not get all the right nutrients we need from one kind of meat, veggie, fruit, etc. You may want to think about adding some greens to your diet =)
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy I completely agree with taking only what's necessary. I do think it's very possible to over exploit a species. I do not want to have to consume factory farmed food all the time. I feel much safer eating from the wild. Seals are used as food as many sealers do eat the meat. Seals are a migratory species that need ice, farming them wouldn't be realistic. Also I don't want to eat the same things all the time, understandably.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy Fair enough.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy Sealers nor activists have say in scientific based peer reviewed reports. The reports I speak of were commissioned and conducted by independent veterinarians, not government funded.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy True about the ice. The effect of this years lack of ice on the seals is yet to be seen or whether the ice conditions is a reoccurring event.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy I'm just replying to what I think I haven't replied to! LOL The comments sections here on YT are no good for debates because it can get confusing with the limited characters.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy I mean humans killing other species as other species like the seals kill fish.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy Again, you're speculating. I do not doubt that the government would like nothing more than this issue to just go away. Many species kill one another to survive. Why humans and seals are any different I will never know.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy What second hand information is telling you that there are many more violations than we are told? That is completely speculation.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy Mother nature's way of culling a over populated species is through starvation and disease which could threaten the whole herd - in other words bring them to extinction. Humans are a part of nature, our very existence effects other species. We have responsibilities and can not simply sit idly by and watch species disappear because it's nature's way of dealing with a problem we are a part of. That's not a reasonable solution for us, the planet or the seals.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy Perhaps then you need to stop applying your hunting experience on land and look objectively at the seal hunt which is obviously a very different situation. The seal hunt is closely monitored compared to land based hunts.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy What I base my opinion on is peer reviewed material which activist groups have not been able to offer. Video regardless of who is filming can be easily manipulated. The lack of video evidence on DFO's part doesn't mean anything.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy I haven't been on a seal hunt however that doesn't mean I can not understand how it works. Some of my information comes directly from sealers themselves.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy The donations activist groups receives pays for their equipment and activities on the ice. The sealers are not saints. Of course I recognize a level of human error however activists should recognize the same rather than making the sealers out to be brutal barbarians, expecting perfection 100% of the time.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy According to the DFO, there are coast guard helicopters and ships that monitor the hunt, although, they cannot monitor all of the 'hunters' activities at once over a large area. Animal Rights groups also have helicopters and boats watching the hunt.
foxshots 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy The other problem is that if the sealer is shooting the seal from his boat, with the motion of the waves and aiming issues, sometimes, seals are shot (not in the head) and they slip under the ice and fall into the ocean. These seals are not recovered or counted in the end quota. They are lost to the Ocean and killed for nothing.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots Do have any way of knowing how often this occurs? Give the sealers some credit to one 1) not intentionally take such a shot and 2) waste their bullets to try to make such a shot. Bullets cost them money too.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette I don't know how often it occurs, but I know that it happens. No one is a perfect shot and seals will try and find safety in the water once they are injured. I know that bullets cost money too, and you're right, the sealer shouldn't take those shots, but - human error happens. It's just unfortunate for those seals who die for nothing. I have come across reports of this happening in my research, I will try and find the articles.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots I'm not arguing that it doesn't happen and yes, it is unfortunate. Does it happen enough that the hunt should be shut down? No. As we've already spoke about if there's no industry and the size of the seal herd starts to threaten the ecosystem and the seals themselves the seals will be killed and die for nothing under a cull.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette ... you know me girl! I would still fight the cull to the 'death' no pun intended. But, I do feel that with the lack of ice, there will be no need for a cull in the future, because the herds numbers will most certainly decline if this issue of climate change and no ice continues.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots Yes I do and unfortunately fighting a cull if a cull is needed will do nothing to help the oceans or the seals. Quite the contrary.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy The hunters are not alone. Many of the boats carry observers including vets and DFO officers. Not to mention the coast guard is also monitoring. PETA does not observe the seal hunt.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy I'm not interested in a care2 site. The "many violations" they discuss are unfounded. Perhaps you'd like to read the whole report from EFSA as observers provided supposed evidence of a number of live skinnings - the EFSA panel could not determine one case of such.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy NL I am aware of has this regulation. From the time it takes the sealer to get from the boat to the seal to retrieve it - could be seconds or a minute. Please think about what a bullet to the head means to a mammal with not only a relatively small head but a thin skull. This is why the caliber is set to what it is as it kills the seal effectively compared with other calibers.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy Something can not be a fact and a theory at the same time. Sealers are professionals. Yes there are some who ruin it for others but they do not represent the sealers as a whole.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy During moose hunts the hunter is required to wait 30minutes after shooting the moose before retrieving it. Sealers do not wait long before retrieving the seal and it is not often the first shot doesn't kill the seal.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy A seals skull is egg shell thin when they are killed. A swift strike will result in irreversible unconsciousness therefore it does constitute a humane kill because the seal will not feel any pain. Please google EFSA-Q-2007-118 and read the section on the hakapik.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy True enough however I'm not sure what makes you feel enforcement is a problem during the hunt.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette The problem with the lack of enforcement is that there are important regulations that have been put in place to ensure that each seal is killed 'humanly'. IMO, these regulations are still not good enough because as you know, I don't agree with the hunt all together. But, if there were proper enforcement and punishment for not following the regulations during the hunt, I think a lot of sealers wouldn't be able to afford the fines incurred for not following the rules.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots Regardless whether you agree with the seal hunt or not the regulations need to be looked at objectively. You disagreeing with the hunt doesn't prove the regulations are not good enough. A number of deserving sealers have been fined substantially for not following the regulations. Just because you may feel a action is not following the regulations doesn't make it so. The sealers could be following the regulations and activist groups are making it out they're not and not being fined.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Cont: An example of this is I have heard IFAW accusing the sealers of rarely performing the blink test. With guns being mostly used a seal might not have a head to perform the blink test on. Many sealers have stated this happens frequently so while IFAW is actually telling the truth they are also misleading the public to think otherwise.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette That point alone is why there should be more enforcement. I understand both sides - If there is no head - no blink test can occur - but, at the same time, how often does this happen? The DFO should make their footage available to the public in defence of the sealers if this is the case. Otherwise, we only see what is available, and it is through the eyes of Animal Rights groups. I still don't agree that these procedures are humane.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots What point alone is why there should be more enforcement? The sealers are not aiming for the body because the pelt needs to be intact so they aim for the head and the caliber that is used has been recommended because of its effectiveness. DFO does make their info public, it's all there on their site and you can see when not only sealers but fishermen as well are charged and fined for violations. DFO can't make you see what you don't want to.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette I meant the point about how the Animal Rights people say different (the blink test). I've seen the DFO site and the charges listed, I know they are public. There aren't many charges against sealers. If there were more enforcement, I'm sure we would see more fines. That was what I was trying to get across.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots If there aren't many charges against sealers naturally there aren't many violations. You're trying to create a problem when there really isn't one.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette who cares WHERE they strike them? the POINT is that baby seals are being slaughtered JUST for their fur, that should be repugnant to anyone who isnt a troglodyte!
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
@Shoknifeman If the humaness of the seal hunt is a factor to you then you should care a great deal where the seals are struck. Baby seals are NOT being slaughtered and the seals are NOT killed for their fur alone. Try reading the peer reviewed reports, I'd be happy to point them out to you.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette What are you, a propagandist for the seal murderers or the Reform-atory govmt? Either way, I wouldnt trust you or their one-sided reports, as far as I could throw them XD
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
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Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Well, as a person who has no power, whatsoever, other than what little power one has with his vote (The politicos pretty much do whatever their "party policy" tells them to); I don't see where my being trusted or not has to do with anything in the big picture; I think for myself, not for some party spin. To be honest, I am a life-long and very proud liberal, but, I never "tow the party line", as I believe that is the TRUE meaning of liberalism.
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
@Shoknifeman Initially trust seemed to be an issue for you, you not trusting me gave you an excuse to dismiss the reports; now trust has nothing to do with anything in the big picture. Please make up your mind.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Shoknifeman I'd also have to disagree that you have no power. If you have a voice you have power. Even the smallest of actions can and do make a difference.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette id say i had a little power, but, let's face it, voters can do little to change a politician's mind, they listen to the people's opinions, then do what they were going to , in the first place. BTW, very nice photography on that webpage... strangely, you and Foxshots have the exact same format for your photography webpages (Good friends who like to fight over the seal hunt, or , coincedence???)
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
@Shoknifeman There are a lot more of us than there are of them. If you want to believe you have little power sobeit but I believe otherwise. Thank you for your compliment re: my photos. However, the only similiarities I see between Foxshots and myself is that we share the same hobby and in our own way care about the planet.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Well, that and you both used the same template for your webpages , haha
Understand that I am no Peta nutball, I eat meat, and love it, however, I have 2 rules, A will not hunt/kill anything myself and, I will not eat wild meat, only domesticated animals; I feel that wild animals should only be eating each other! haha (And, I am totally against the killing of animals for their fur, which I find immoral)
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
@Shoknifeman Hmmm, the last time I saw her page it was very different from mine with a lot more than just photography but it really doesn't matter.
I prefer to eat wild for 1, they lived their lives free as opposed to domesticated factory farmed 2, healthier (they are able to eat what they are meant to rather than being fed a mix of what's cheapest which is then what we eat) 3, t0 help maintain healthy pops - hunters are largely responsible for the conservation 4, I rather depend on myself
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette cont: for survival as much as I can than someone else. 5, we are animals too that surprise suprise rely on other animals. 6, fur is eco-friendly and safer than synthetic materials for both us and the environment. 7, I'd rather see animals killed and used in some way (preferably as much as possible) than killed as pests and not used at all. If the industry for seals dies the seals will still be killed under a cull to manage their pops and nothing at all will be used.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Well, let's agree to dissagree ;)
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
@Shoknifeman If that's what's easier for you.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette I just don't see the point of arguing over something where we have little common ground to find ;)
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
@Shoknifeman You don't know me well enough to make that assumption. What pisses me off to be very honest with you is when the so-called argument gets tough you take the easy way out. The people who depend on the hunt and the seals who could face starvation and/or disease due to over population if the hunt stops are not offered that same convenience.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette To tell you the truth, I simply don't care for debating (about anything), I give my view and you can either agree or not (and vice-versa.)
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
@Shoknifeman You just basically gave the definition for debate and yet you don't care for debating. Perhaps you should've thought about that before initiating this conversation esp. now that you threw the "lets agree to disagree" BS after a number of points you have no reasonable answer to. If you're going to hold the view that you do than you better have something better than "lets agree to disagree".
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Man, you sure enjoy arguing , don't you? As I said, I give my opinion then let others give theirs, I have no interest in arguing their points or mine, debate simply isn't something I care for; i like to read the opinions of others, but, that's as far as it goes; if you want debate, run for office; it's not my thing. ;)
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
@Shoknifeman Debating is just that, the exchanging of differing views. No, I don't particularly enjoy arguing. In general I respect and can accept opposing views. That is how we learn. When I can not accept such views is when opinions such as yours are based so heavily in ignorance and can negatively affect others. Where exactly is the morality in allowing something to starve to death? Your idea of ethics will only cause long term harm to that which you seek to protect!
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette While I personally hate hunting, I can excuse a cull of older adults (whether I like it or not) to save the herd, what I strongly object to is the hunt of the BABY seals for their fur , mind you, I believe that the adult seals should ONLY be hunted by the aboriginals/Inuit as they use them properly. But frankly, hunting (and trophy hunters) is something that I personally hate. Now then, I hope that clears everything up for you... Now, conversation over.
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
@Shoknifeman Taking the older adults or breeding stock would threaten the herd. Considering that the babies are not hunted - they are atleast one month at the time they are killed and independent of their mothers and they are not killed for their fur - the industry is secondary after pop management you shouldn't have any problems with the hunting of seals. The Inuit's use of the seals differs little. Both groups sell the pelts and eat the meat. Take care.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Sure - They shoot/stun the seal, must wait 60 seconds after bleeding them out (cutting the main artery under the flipper) and then they can be skinned. This is a mammal we are talking about, do you think that they can be bleed out and dead within one minute? I'm sure that not all cases are so. Regardless of how these animals are killed for their fur, I don't think that we should be killing off the unique mammals in our Oceans for fashion. We have evolved past this, or we should...
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots They're not pelting the seal immediately after the kill. They may not even start pelting until they're done shooting for the day when the boat is anchored and stable. The attitude that we don't need fur is dangerous. I would much rather wear natural fur than toxic synthetics. Atleast the fur isn't killing me and the planet.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy Standing directly in front of the seal and being able to immediately strike it a second time if the first doesn't crush the skull results in a quick and humane kill. In fact it is recommended that a sealer strike a minimum of 3 times regardless. Unfortunetely you're ignoring that the use of the hakapik makes up 5% of the kills, the other 95% are shot.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy If the regulations don't warm your heart perhaps a little more reading into the issue would help you understand how these regulations help make it a humane practise.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy Cattle in slaughterhouses are stunned with cattle prods much the same way the seals are stunned with the hakapik. The prod renders the cattle in a state of irreversible unconsciousness - unable to feel pain - before they're slaughtered.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@MrAccountguy It's called a hakapik and you most likely won't see more videos with the use of the gun because shooting seals doesn't offer the same emotional response as the hakapik. A lot of the images you see from the hunt are recycled because the hakapik is used so rarely.
Ersabette 1 year ago
"The seal hunt is a small hunt relative to many other aspects of animal husbandry in this country." LOL!!! The Canadian commercial seal hunt is the largest slaughter of marine mammals on planet earth!!! How can you down-play that Mr. Goebles???
CoffinCornerX 1 year ago
@CoffinCornerX The UK kills approximately the same percentage (4-5%) of their seal population as Canada does theirs. Canada has the largest seal herd off their coast which is why it is labelled "the largest slaughter of marine mammals on planet earth".
Ersabette 1 year ago
the government is a bunch of buttfucking freedom takers. Fuck the seals. Fuck global warming and especially fuck their wasting of our money on fags and iligitimate kids and imported fucktards
chevymaxman 1 year ago
@chevymaxman ya that pretty much what harper said fuck the seals stop worrying theres alot of them, hes agreeing with u
Alcan196 1 year ago
He did not answer your question...no arguement here...
thefoxstale 1 year ago
sorry about what harper said hes kind of stupid please dont judge all canadiens by his actions most of us are not conservative dumbasses. if you agree please reply remember vote NDP
quebecforpresidency 1 year ago
foxshot, seal are fine there's alot u just butthurt they get raped by baseball bats when they die. there's more important things going on in the world, Stephen harper understands that u retard.
Alcan196 1 year ago
@Alcan196 yeah. ok. more important things like WOW... right? LOL.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots WoW really isnt that important to people its a video game. I meant things like the economy. lol and if your trying to make my feel stupid or that i am a geek or something cause i like wow idc since this is the interwebs and i ahve no reason to get butt hurt from your comments. I also dont realy underand how the deaths of seals is that important tbh.
Alcan196 1 year ago
Notice how Harper carefully words his comments on the people who depend on the hunt - 'the Inuit and other traditional communities'. That is our government blurring the lines between the two separate hunts in Canada. One is for subsistence the other for the commercial industry.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots The Inuit rely on the markets just as the sealers do which is why they are fighting back against the EU. Remove the largest part of the market which came from the commercial industry and the Inuit also suffer regardless of any exemptions in the ban. Markets can not hold or be built upon from such a small import. Call it what you want but these are traditional communities, I happen to live in one.
Ersabette 1 year ago
Then let the Inuit establish their own markets. They're thinking and entrepreneurial people too. In fact it behooves them to establish their own markets rather than commingle it with the wasteful, disgraceful and inhumane commercial seal hunt. If, as you suggest, Inuit markets cannot indeed uphold themselves, then maybe it's just capitalistic wheels in motion.
CoffinCornerX 1 year ago
@CoffinCornerX The inuit are more than welcome to establish their own markets. Why don't you allow the sealers off the east coast to do the same so the seals are fully utilized? Instead you work to control the markets so you can continue to complain of the waste. 95% of the seals are shot. The use of guns to kill animals is widely acceptable.
Ersabette 1 year ago
I would have to say that your question that was answered was only altered in that a word was added being "qualified". You had asked 3 questions - one was selected and in fact answered as it had been asked. Perhaps next time you should focus on being more direct in your question.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Also, your username was given so if one wanted to search for the question they could.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Yes, they could. But, the whole idea behind this interview was to reach out to the masses. Not, edit the question to suit his answer. He used other video questions without changing them - just not the one on the seal hunt.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots How simplistic were the questions others asked that were not altered and how many questions did they ask? If it was more than one did Harper answer all? Again, only one word was added to one of your questions.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Ok, maybe you are missing the point. It's all about the lead up - there was no need for him to remove the whole basis of my question. I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing here, so if you feel that he answered it, great. It won't change the fact that it's clear his people omitted the real issue that was of concern. They could have simply cut my video short if they felt I asked too many questions. They didn't. They left out the part that he didn't want to address.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots "They could have simply cut my video short if they felt I asked too many questions." Which they did, they cut your video and answered your question including the ice in an indirect way. Ice conditions and its effect on the seal herd is a science issue to which Harper said the decisions regarding the seal hunt are based in science not the wants of the hunters.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette Why then did Gail Shea make an announcement that the decision to continue with the hunt this year would be left to the sealers? Scientists from all areas of the Country are arguing that the hunt should be cancelled due to the lack of sea ice.
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots Shea said in an Embassy article to which you have already commented on "The seal hunt, we expect, will probably be much smaller than in the past." It is still a science based decision, Shea realized that not many sealers would be taking part this year and that small of a number would not have a serious impact on the herd regardless of ice conditions because so few were killed last year. Next year could be a year of concern, but not this year.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@Ersabette It wasn't about the one altered word, it was about the premise of the question that was left out. My whole question was based on the lack of sea ice on the St. Lawrence. Not on the hunt itself. I thought I clearly stated that ;)
foxshots 1 year ago
@foxshots And I honestly feel he answered that, it is about the science, not the sealers. There are actually many sealers questioning the quota this year, it certainly wasn't increased because the sealers asked for it.
Ersabette 1 year ago
@igebadia Great Ideas!! I will start ahead with them and let ya know ;)
foxshots 1 year ago