also thanks for the info :) wilson combat makes imo the finest 1911 next to mr. ed brown that money can buy.
they really are kind of special if thats what wc told you in response to your question i would feel completely confident in taking their advice above all others. thanks for the info and dispelling a myth that is apparently rather common among 1911 users.
sorry i don't normally virtually batter women but, it stands to reason that your wc is a ton of money be easy with it lady.
i was once given an analogy by a friend of mine that seems to hold some truth.
he said to me if you compared handguns to watches a glock is like a g-shock they are cheap mostly plastic and can take a beating. also if you break it yes it sucks but, buying another won't kill you. a 1911 is like a rolex you wouldn't bang around a rolex would you :)
hey a full auto 1911? since when is that a problem? haha I'm kidding I'm sure there is more problems with dropping the slide than that. WHat i don't understand is what kind of steel or metal are they using the build the sear and other critical parts? I thought it bad to drop the slide on an aluminum frame but a steel frame with steel parts? How many drops before the sear cracks? Steel on steel is an even trade. THe slide doenst fall that hard. how many times before it would crack? my guess 1000+
WTHey??? If a weapon comes from the factory without a cartridge in the chamber......
I say shenanigans.
The sear, firing pin, and hammer are separate components and actuating the slide will affect none once the sear is set, unless it is either poorly designed or manufactured.
I cannot believe the manufacturer told you it is not good to do dry drills.
There is a way to do it and NOT damage the hammer sear engagement.. But you should never post on YouTube. Just keep your finger off trigger & let the slide & bbl move forward slowly into battery. Never pull the trigger unless you are prepared for the gun to fire
This must be only for Wilson Combat 1911's. Colt 1911's do not have any component that interacts with the sear when the slide is dropping on an empty chamber. There's no difference. You could let that bitch hit every single time.
It's hard to cite specific numbers due to variances in how pistols may be made, but it boils down to this:
It's no big deal if it happens every once in a while, likely by mistake; that's what is meant by saying "a few times".
But make it common practice to slam the slide to full battery without ammo and it will put undue wear and tear that could eventually make itself known if you do it once too many times.
I almost always ease the slide down by hand, even when loading the 1st round on any auto-pistol I own. I think it looks better in public, PLUS I prefer to usually QUIETLY chamber rounds as a matter of practice.
Having said that, I must admit that for CCW use, I have retired most of my auto-pistols in favor of revolvers. I find revolvers to be much less of a headache for constant CCW.
Also, wicked-looking hollow-points, clearly visible at the cylinder front, are one hell of a deterrent!
Hard to refute the info when it comes from the manufacturer, but I have been looking at this animation of a 1911 mechanics, and I don't see how the sear would bounce against the hammer hook unless the hammer also drops when you drop the slide with or without a round in the mag. Do a youtube search for "the BEST colt .45 1911 animation collection" and play from 3:21.
@Pill88Dickle Yep, they sure are. Also obsolete and useless. But that's only to people who are of that opinion. Me personally I like them and think the simple design is very effective and reliable.
Doesn't make much sense to me. I have stripped my kimber time after time and admired the internal designs. I understand the theory behind the don't drop the slide, but a round being chambered has the exact same operation as no round being chambered other than a slight resistance from the round going up the feed ramp. I will keep treating my weapon the same as I always have. If my weapon happens to go full auto it is very very likely to jam because the timing will be off after a few rounds. So eh
@camdogs88 That is the theory behind loaded/unloaded. Most 1911 "experts" are of the opinion that dropping the slide while chambering a round does less damage simply from the buffer effect the chambering round provides. Basically, the chambering round is supposed to slow down the movement of the slide enough to minimalize the bounce. I feel that a highly-tuned 1911 such as a high end Kimber or a Wilson Combat will be free flowing enough when chambering that it won't make a difference.
"I feel that a highly-tuned 1911 such as a high end Kimber or a Wilson Combat will be free flowing enough when chambering that it won't make a difference."
Even a finely tuned pistol still has to strip a cartridge from the magazine. That alone provides enough resistance to cushion the blow of the slide as it runs into full battery.
@camdogs88 My point is this: Regardless of whether or not you slide drop under any circumstance, a careful inspection of individual parts on a regular basis will reveal such damage and will give you a chance to repair your weapon before it malfunctions. This is true of any and all firearms. My RIA 1911 isn't as highly tuned or as flashy as a Wilson or a high end Kimber out of the box, but it doesn't take anything but time and elbow grease to get any 1911 to that level. The RIA is also half the $
@camdogs88 In roughly 900-1000 rounds having been shot through it, I'm happy with it. Not knocking the WC's or the Kimbers by any means. Shot a couple of models from both mfgs and they were all pretty awesome. The main thing is to be educated about what you have, and what signs to look for.
If your this good looking with out make-up. WOW! I would love to see what you are like with total made up. A hot one with a gun. To much for my heart.
Is it ok to drop the slide on an empty chamber with a Glock? Also, this is a stupid question probably, but it is ok to drop the slide on a 1911 as long as you are chambering a round correct? Thanks.
I have called the police station as a kid to ask if a switch blade was illegal or not. I was told they were legal. A week later I called and was told they were illegal. Just my opinion but I don't believe the Wilson guy knew what he was talking about when he answered your email. The cheap Llama 1911 and the Springfield 1911 I owned survived literally thousands of empty chamber slide drops without a single broken part. A round does not slow the slide all that much anyway. Just my opinion.
@jboritzki I also assume their hammer and sear is the same design and a material that is as strong as the original. I would imagine a Wilson custom pistol is a tough as a Llama?
Had a subscriber tell me the same thing after I posted a video of my Springfield and was doing that. I just hope I didn't damage a completely new weapon system. Thanks for posting.
Guns are for USE. I don't slam my slide shut, but people should not be so worried about hurting their guns. I would never buy a gun I could not shoot or mess around with. Slamming the slide ain't gonna kill you or your gun, it's just gonna add more wear and tear. It's made of steel, not porcelain.
If you have a 1911 and you want to slam the slide or dry fire it, then just do it. Enjoy your firearm! If it wears out, buy another.
Droping the slide on an empty chamber (hammer still cocked) in no way harms the firearm. It is no different from the slide returning to battery after firing a round other than the minimal (and I stress minimal) amount of added resistance from loading a new round into the chamber from the mag. All of the applied forces to the various parts of the firearm are the same under both conditions.
@argonnj Hang in there bud. Someday you'll grow up, get a real job making gun, learn somthing and be educated like the rest of us. I'm pullin for ya!?!
Another tip.. if you have the old (original) one piece, non pivoting style of 1911 extractor, do NOT drop a round into the chamber and release the slide.. this can, over time damage your extractor. Instead, load the chamber from your magazine and then top off your mag
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"All it does is increase its value from $1k to $30k instantly XD and a class I felony"
It wouldn't increase the value because nobody, not even a class III licensee, would be able to legally buy a malfunctioning 1911 that fires full auto, and does so out of the shooter's control.
It would be illegal due to the Hughes Amendment in the 1985 FOPA; if a full auto weapon was not registered with the ATF by May 19, 1986, then it's ownership is completely banned to civilians.
thats what I was thinking too, if the ATF dont like it ill see you in court and just play dumb. "oh your honor i didnt know, whats a see-er? whats hammers got to do with my guns? if i dont push this button how do you get the gun slide to go back down again? I just thought thats the reason this gun cost $3000 is because it shoots fast"...
@xchrisbobisx "if the ATF dont like it ill see you in court and just play dumb. "oh your honor i didnt know, whats a see-er? whats hammers got to do with my guns"
Feigning ignorance is a bad defense that will not hold up due to the simple fact that, as a gun owner, it is your responsibility to know. Ignorance will not be considered an excuse in that case.
With regard to the law, what you don't know WILL hurt you! Courts have prosecuted people due to their ignorance for lesser crimes.
"the chances of you pistol going full auto rise quickly." What does that mean? I know it doesn't mean your pistol will turn into an Uzi and re-ventilate your room, but for the life of me I can't figure it out.
slowly loading a round in the chamber is bad too. the second bullet in the mag will slide forward possibly jamming the gun. I did that so as not to disturb my wife one night, when i cycled the slide to unload for cleaning the slide jammed
I bought a kimber classic 2, some years ago. Kimber made it clear in the instructions, " Never drop the slide on a empty chamber". Since reading that, I stopped dropping the slide on any handgun, to be safe. And just for the record, I have been dry fire handguns for years. Hasnt hurt em yet. I Enjoy your videos..
I have to ask, as per jakevader's comment, whether we're talking here about dry-firing the gun with the slide removed or releasing the slide release without a loaded mag. The first might cause damage over time. Releasing the slide, loaded or unloaded, can't harm the gun any more than shooting it would. Be careful who you might consider a "professional". Too many wannabe's out there to simply take someone's word for it, even if they work for Wilson Combat. Just think about it.
We are talking about exactly what I said we are talking about: dropping the slide on the empty chamber of a 1911. This has nothing to do with dry firing of any kind. I did not just take anyone's word for it, I went to the people who made my firearm and also did some independent research after I posted this video and other trusted sources say the same thing: Do not drop the slide on the empty chamber of a 1911, especially if that 1911 has a fine trigger job.
I think I may have been the cause of this video, so I'll retort. There are 2 areas that I believe to be vulnerable to dropping on an empty mag. The trigger is the less vulnerable IMO. The more important area is the feet on the lower barrel lugs. Without the cushioning effect of a bullet, those feet get smacked against the slide stop pin pretty hard. An experiment for you: Load one round in a mag and drop the slide. Drop the slide on an empty mag. Notice how the pistol jumps in both cases.
Boy am I Glad I bought a Colt,then!! I've dropped the slide on myS/S 1911 SERIES 80,hundreds of time in the 13 years I've owned it...And my Colt has trigger work with LIGHTENED TRIGGER PULL and the only time my GUNSMITH told me there was a possibilty of a FULL AUTO burst was upon the initial firing after he did the work..I had to do a series of shots before loading a full magizine.And once I did that it has been silky smooth ever sence...I have several WILSON COMBAT parts on my Colt,as well....
It's important to not drop the hammer with the slide removed too. This will forge the top surface of the frame very quickly, possibly dragging against the bottom of the slide.
I know some of you are joking, but to the others since the sear spring and/or nose chips I assume it would make the 1911 full auto from the get go, not a fun thing for it to go full auto when you just charged the firearm.
Very good. I was told by my instructor the very same thing. I keep a spent brass to drop the slide on. This also helped when I was first starting out because I always know that something was in the chamber and had to check if it was the spent brass or a live round.
I did. He says he forgives me but I must make amends by taking him out soon and get him something special to eat. So, I'm thinking instead of Winchester White Box I'll give him some Blazer Brass or American Eagle. He said that was a fair deal. We're good.
Use a magazine with a few snap-caps in them and use those for your videos so people will stop their whining. It will also keep people from complaining if you "dry fire" the firearm. Just my thoughts.
your probably a 350 pounded guy, wearing 511 gear obsessing excessively on wanna be special forces accessories on your ar-15 & on your 1911 pistol. lima is good folk, but your the tip of the ice berg. wanna be SF hall of shame! i dont care if you many 1191's or LEO hanguns. When you can do the same damage with a pistol, one assault rifle.
so in other words, this is kind of instructions on how to convert a 1911 to full auto...just keep releasing the slide lock on an empty chamber. hmmm...interesting lol
thanks glad to know this i just got my first 1911 today a kimber tactical pro and i definetly dont want to damage anything it cost me way to much money but i love the gun first 1911 i ever owned
Great video once again, I have been telling guys on youtube for months not to do this with any semi-auto, but do they listen.. no! lol, now we have some proof of why this should not be done.... Oh, and yeah Wilson Combat watches my video's.... lololol
@humans4targets2 hey man is it bad to drop the slide on glocks to cause i have done it a few times since i got mine but i dont think it has hurt it any
BS! Gun-makers should make a better product that can withstand such "normal wear".
To cause cracks and breakage after perhaps 100 empty chamber unrestricted slide closing? They should make it so that you would not see this even after 10000 cycles.
Even the great M1 Abrams Battle Tank has its limitations. Use things within their means and to specifications and you will be a happy owner. Misuse or abuse of any product will result in failure or bodily harm.
Yes, companies could harden the steel more, or use titanium or carbide, but how much are you willing to spend?
Quite so quite so. I would not think letting the slide hit home, without a round in the chamber, qualifies as misuse. Since it does though, one has to question if it is made durable enough for use.
Millions of GIs over the years could answer that with a resounding "fuck yea it is durable enough, I owe my life to that gun".
Well, I would never be so conceeded as to call myself an expert, but I know 1911's fairly well. when the slide drops on a loaded magazine, the bullet actually slows the momentum and acts as a buffer or shock absorber so the full force isn's delivered in one sharp blow at the end of travel. This is how John Moses Browning designed it to be operated. There are many reasons why so many companies build 1911's and (related) why so many people buy them. JMB pretty much got it right over 100 years ago.
I think we have a few reasons why this was, should I say, not so well known. I think first, we as consumers need to start reading the owners manual. Secondly, do your research. If you have questions, search out the answers just like limalife. I think it is vital that, we as consumers become farmiliar with all functions of your firearm. Third, all manufactures need to become more thorough with do's and don'ts of firearm operation.
I was talking with Kimber Customer Service several months ago. I asked if there was a problem with dry firing a Kimber 1911. I was told that dry firing posed no problem but that the slide should not be allow to slam forward on an empty chamber.
Thanks again limalife for some fantastic info. I'm sure this is relative to most SA Pistols. I did it a few times with my Sig P226 and it just did not feel right. So, now I keep a few snap caps in the mag.
See this is what I like about you. You go the extra step to find the answer even if it kinda proves you wrong.
Funny I have heard the battle about it also and both sides seem right. To me knowing copper well I don't see the rim of the shell doing mush as in a way of cushioning the blow.
I really don't care if I prove myself wrong or not. What I care about is getting out good/solid info. If I find out I'm wrong I promise to admit it the moment I learn of my mistake.
I do agree with you. I don't see how a little copper could cushion the blow.. Maybe it's the slowing of the action by shearing off the cartridge and chambering it. That's my guess, anyway. I don't see why this is something people fight to the death over. It' not THAT huge of an issue.
So now we learned 2 things, don't do it. And that by modifying the hammer hooks you can make your 1911 full auto :0 Of course no one would do anything like that....... Thanks for the info!
That and we don't know exactly HOW or what kind of modifications would need to be made... that and the ATF would be at your door in about.. oh, five minutes. Not for me!!
I can't recall except maybe once releasing my slide on an empty chamber without manually doing so with my hand. I just naturally cringe to that sound when watching videos on youtube. Every now and again I say something like " I cringe to the sound of the slide being released on an empty chamber" or something of that effect. Now you know though, and so does everyone else who may watch this video. Better to find out later than never at all.
Good information I found out about this a few months after getting my Custom II and I haven't dropped it dry since... although I admit I did do it quite a few times..
I think you would have to do it a lot before it starts to weaken any parts. Since 1911s last so dang long, i guess this would be a problem if a habit was made of doing this.
Good to know! Thanks for the info, once again. Now if I could only afford a 1911....
ok, there it is, now we know, thanks! By the way a very profetional way to simpyl, get a correct answer, lol , alot of the gun communtiy bickers back and forth on assumptions concernign certain issues when its easy just to ask the people who make them, lol...
Yeah.. I hate bickering and prefer my info to come from reputable sources anyway. How the heck to I know if "gunboy78lover" (not a real sign in name, I hope) knows what the heck he's talking about. I figure the guys who made my gun should have an idea of what's good or bad for it.
@limalife I actually had the seer in my Colt 1911 chip (without me knowing) and it caused the gun to go off unexpectedly. It surprised me so much that I let the gun fall to the floor and the only thing that prevented it from emptying the mag was the grip safety. Because I had let it go, it only let off one round. I had dropped the slide to load the weapon, so there was one in the pipe and six more in the mag.
While you were doing it to your own firearm,(your weapon, do what you want with it IMHO), dropping the slide on ANY handgun in a shop is one of the rudest things a customer can do and will instantly brand you as a novice in proper gun handling technique.
also thanks for the info :) wilson combat makes imo the finest 1911 next to mr. ed brown that money can buy.
they really are kind of special if thats what wc told you in response to your question i would feel completely confident in taking their advice above all others. thanks for the info and dispelling a myth that is apparently rather common among 1911 users.
ladyfeind 1 month ago
virtual slap sent :)
sorry i don't normally virtually batter women but, it stands to reason that your wc is a ton of money be easy with it lady.
i was once given an analogy by a friend of mine that seems to hold some truth.
he said to me if you compared handguns to watches a glock is like a g-shock they are cheap mostly plastic and can take a beating. also if you break it yes it sucks but, buying another won't kill you. a 1911 is like a rolex you wouldn't bang around a rolex would you :)
ladyfeind 1 month ago
Bullshit.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 1 month ago
hey a full auto 1911? since when is that a problem? haha I'm kidding I'm sure there is more problems with dropping the slide than that. WHat i don't understand is what kind of steel or metal are they using the build the sear and other critical parts? I thought it bad to drop the slide on an aluminum frame but a steel frame with steel parts? How many drops before the sear cracks? Steel on steel is an even trade. THe slide doenst fall that hard. how many times before it would crack? my guess 1000+
G3TGh0sT 1 month ago
so now we should ask about dry fireiing
bigdaddyitalia22 2 months ago
WTHey??? If a weapon comes from the factory without a cartridge in the chamber......
I say shenanigans.
The sear, firing pin, and hammer are separate components and actuating the slide will affect none once the sear is set, unless it is either poorly designed or manufactured.
I cannot believe the manufacturer told you it is not good to do dry drills.
XGCScrappy 2 months ago
is that for all autos or just 1911's?
Hip48Xn3 2 months ago
@Hip48Xn3 some not all its a design thing any pistol with a single action sear design
bigdaddyitalia22 2 months ago
There is a way to do it and NOT damage the hammer sear engagement.. But you should never post on YouTube. Just keep your finger off trigger & let the slide & bbl move forward slowly into battery. Never pull the trigger unless you are prepared for the gun to fire
sbd45acp 3 months ago
WILSON COMBAT OR ED BROWN ? why did u choose wc give me pro and cons u came up with
767dag 3 months ago
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TR5T 3 months ago
good info ....
767dag 4 months ago
I bet her penis is bigger than mine
bullshipus123 4 months ago
Only during your function safety check. Never in practice.
TheHeretic2011 4 months ago
This must be only for Wilson Combat 1911's. Colt 1911's do not have any component that interacts with the sear when the slide is dropping on an empty chamber. There's no difference. You could let that bitch hit every single time.
reddog418 4 months ago
you have a wilson combat 1911? i'm jealous
falloutforever88 5 months ago
Thank you for the info. Finally something worth knowing coming from youtube
gravylegs1 5 months ago
"Dropping the slide a few times will not hurt the gun, too many times will." Define "few" and "many"... This is the 1st time I've ever heard of this.
reapyreap 5 months ago
@reapyreap
Better still, don't allow it to happen at all.
It's hard to cite specific numbers due to variances in how pistols may be made, but it boils down to this:
It's no big deal if it happens every once in a while, likely by mistake; that's what is meant by saying "a few times".
But make it common practice to slam the slide to full battery without ammo and it will put undue wear and tear that could eventually make itself known if you do it once too many times.
Watcher3223 4 months ago
WILSON COMBAT IS A FINE 1911 ! DRY FIRING IS OK , BUT IF YOU DROP THE SLIDE ON AN EMPTY CHAMBER I WILL SPANK YOUR BARE BOTTOM !!
DOHTUNALOU 5 months ago
I almost always ease the slide down by hand, even when loading the 1st round on any auto-pistol I own. I think it looks better in public, PLUS I prefer to usually QUIETLY chamber rounds as a matter of practice.
Having said that, I must admit that for CCW use, I have retired most of my auto-pistols in favor of revolvers. I find revolvers to be much less of a headache for constant CCW.
Also, wicked-looking hollow-points, clearly visible at the cylinder front, are one hell of a deterrent!
coltperc 5 months ago
My Kimber Raptor recently suffered this kind of malfunction. When that full-auto surprises you, it's not fun or cool.
However, the next mag is a lot of fun.
But I sent away for a new sear, hammer, and sear spring immediately.
PhillyEDC 6 months ago
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xXBallistic82Xx 6 months ago
Hard to refute the info when it comes from the manufacturer, but I have been looking at this animation of a 1911 mechanics, and I don't see how the sear would bounce against the hammer hook unless the hammer also drops when you drop the slide with or without a round in the mag. Do a youtube search for "the BEST colt .45 1911 animation collection" and play from 3:21.
saltyshellback 6 months ago
@Pill88Dickle Yep, they sure are. Also obsolete and useless. But that's only to people who are of that opinion. Me personally I like them and think the simple design is very effective and reliable.
punisheroftexas 6 months ago
Doesn't make much sense to me. I have stripped my kimber time after time and admired the internal designs. I understand the theory behind the don't drop the slide, but a round being chambered has the exact same operation as no round being chambered other than a slight resistance from the round going up the feed ramp. I will keep treating my weapon the same as I always have. If my weapon happens to go full auto it is very very likely to jam because the timing will be off after a few rounds. So eh
camdogs88 7 months ago
@camdogs88 That is the theory behind loaded/unloaded. Most 1911 "experts" are of the opinion that dropping the slide while chambering a round does less damage simply from the buffer effect the chambering round provides. Basically, the chambering round is supposed to slow down the movement of the slide enough to minimalize the bounce. I feel that a highly-tuned 1911 such as a high end Kimber or a Wilson Combat will be free flowing enough when chambering that it won't make a difference.
punisheroftexas 6 months ago
@punisheroftexas
"I feel that a highly-tuned 1911 such as a high end Kimber or a Wilson Combat will be free flowing enough when chambering that it won't make a difference."
Even a finely tuned pistol still has to strip a cartridge from the magazine. That alone provides enough resistance to cushion the blow of the slide as it runs into full battery.
Watcher3223 4 months ago
@camdogs88 My point is this: Regardless of whether or not you slide drop under any circumstance, a careful inspection of individual parts on a regular basis will reveal such damage and will give you a chance to repair your weapon before it malfunctions. This is true of any and all firearms. My RIA 1911 isn't as highly tuned or as flashy as a Wilson or a high end Kimber out of the box, but it doesn't take anything but time and elbow grease to get any 1911 to that level. The RIA is also half the $
punisheroftexas 6 months ago
@camdogs88 In roughly 900-1000 rounds having been shot through it, I'm happy with it. Not knocking the WC's or the Kimbers by any means. Shot a couple of models from both mfgs and they were all pretty awesome. The main thing is to be educated about what you have, and what signs to look for.
punisheroftexas 6 months ago
If your this good looking with out make-up. WOW! I would love to see what you are like with total made up. A hot one with a gun. To much for my heart.
tock101 7 months ago
Is it ok to drop the slide on an empty chamber with a Glock? Also, this is a stupid question probably, but it is ok to drop the slide on a 1911 as long as you are chambering a round correct? Thanks.
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socialmediaarbitrage 9 months ago
I have called the police station as a kid to ask if a switch blade was illegal or not. I was told they were legal. A week later I called and was told they were illegal. Just my opinion but I don't believe the Wilson guy knew what he was talking about when he answered your email. The cheap Llama 1911 and the Springfield 1911 I owned survived literally thousands of empty chamber slide drops without a single broken part. A round does not slow the slide all that much anyway. Just my opinion.
jboritzki 10 months ago
@jboritzki I also assume their hammer and sear is the same design and a material that is as strong as the original. I would imagine a Wilson custom pistol is a tough as a Llama?
jboritzki 10 months ago
Thank's for the info I always learn something new watching your video's Al
amacro11 11 months ago
Had a subscriber tell me the same thing after I posted a video of my Springfield and was doing that. I just hope I didn't damage a completely new weapon system. Thanks for posting.
ShooterReview 1 year ago
I don't what Wilson combat says, but I have a hard time believing the 1911 is as fragile of a device as that.
esh325 1 year ago
@esh325 FYI, you aren't suppose to drop the slide on an empty chamber of ANY gun, not just 1911s.
argonnj 11 months ago
@esh325 It's not that the 1911 is fragile. It's that the custom trigger job is fragile and can be ruined.
M4CarbineGuy 11 months ago
Guns are for USE. I don't slam my slide shut, but people should not be so worried about hurting their guns. I would never buy a gun I could not shoot or mess around with. Slamming the slide ain't gonna kill you or your gun, it's just gonna add more wear and tear. It's made of steel, not porcelain.
If you have a 1911 and you want to slam the slide or dry fire it, then just do it. Enjoy your firearm! If it wears out, buy another.
ronpaul2008rocks 1 year ago
@ronpaul2008rocks Spoken like a true idiot.
argonnj 11 months ago
@argonnj Spoken like someone who likes to spend lots of extra time wiping his ass.
ronpaul2008rocks 11 months ago
@ronpaul2008rocks Yup, no skid marks here.
argonnj 11 months ago
@argonnj LOL! OK.
ronpaul2008rocks 11 months ago
@ronpaul2008rocks It's not that the 1911 is fragile. It's that the custom trigger job is fragile and can be ruined.
M4CarbineGuy 11 months ago
lol she just told everone how to make 1911 full auto the unsafe hillbilly way . good job
ironlungdtoker 1 year ago
Droping the slide on an empty chamber (hammer still cocked) in no way harms the firearm. It is no different from the slide returning to battery after firing a round other than the minimal (and I stress minimal) amount of added resistance from loading a new round into the chamber from the mag. All of the applied forces to the various parts of the firearm are the same under both conditions.
maddisonjean 1 year ago
@maddisonjean Another internet jack of all, that thinks he knows more then the company that makes the weapon. You sir are an idiot.
argonnj 11 months ago
@argonnj Hang in there bud. Someday you'll grow up, get a real job making gun, learn somthing and be educated like the rest of us. I'm pullin for ya!?!
maddisonjean 11 months ago
@maddisonjean Good, fuck up you sear, don't say I didn't warn you.
argonnj 11 months ago
I don't care about her 1911 I want her number, no makeup!! yikes she's hot...and a shooter too. Don't tell me she likes Triumphs!!!
TR5T 1 year ago
Another tip.. if you have the old (original) one piece, non pivoting style of 1911 extractor, do NOT drop a round into the chamber and release the slide.. this can, over time damage your extractor. Instead, load the chamber from your magazine and then top off your mag
FFlint07 1 year ago
sweetheart, I think your adorable..if this is how you look in the morning getting out of bed - wonderful. You don't need makeup and ever since 'Farrah' the 'sloppy sexy' look has been my favorite doo, so don't apologize you - wear it it well. Great channel....Rick
bonesword98 1 year ago
How is it bad for your gun? All it does is increase its value from $1k to $30k instantly XD and a class I felony
safewaysecurity 1 year ago
@safewaysecurity
"All it does is increase its value from $1k to $30k instantly XD and a class I felony"
It wouldn't increase the value because nobody, not even a class III licensee, would be able to legally buy a malfunctioning 1911 that fires full auto, and does so out of the shooter's control.
It would be illegal due to the Hughes Amendment in the 1985 FOPA; if a full auto weapon was not registered with the ATF by May 19, 1986, then it's ownership is completely banned to civilians.
Watcher3223 4 months ago
@Watcher3223 It's called a joke dude lol.
safewaysecurity 4 months ago
@safewaysecurity
Guns aren't something to joke about, dude. People can, and do, go to prison over this crap.
Google: David R. Olofson
Watcher3223 4 months ago
@Watcher3223 It was clearly a joke plus I said it was a felony. Sheesh get the sand out of your vagina.
safewaysecurity 4 months ago
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@safewaysecurity
"It was clearly a joke"
Hard to tell from text alone and, frankly, there are many people who say the same and are serious about it.
Maybe you should have added something like this: ;-) Makes it easy to know if you are joking or not in a text forum.
"Sheesh get the sand out of your vagina."
And that was necessary, why? So much for trying to be civil.
Watcher3223 4 months ago
damn im going to try and get my sear nose to crack. i want my gun to shoot like an uzi
crayzmoe 1 year ago 10
@crayzmoe Sure.. if you want a visit from the ATF, a hefty fine and some jail time.. go right ahead.
limalife 1 year ago 14
@limalife wow your fast at commenting lol.
crayzmoe 1 year ago
@crayzmoe
thats what I was thinking too, if the ATF dont like it ill see you in court and just play dumb. "oh your honor i didnt know, whats a see-er? whats hammers got to do with my guns? if i dont push this button how do you get the gun slide to go back down again? I just thought thats the reason this gun cost $3000 is because it shoots fast"...
xchrisbobisx 5 months ago
@xchrisbobisx "if the ATF dont like it ill see you in court and just play dumb. "oh your honor i didnt know, whats a see-er? whats hammers got to do with my guns"
Feigning ignorance is a bad defense that will not hold up due to the simple fact that, as a gun owner, it is your responsibility to know. Ignorance will not be considered an excuse in that case.
With regard to the law, what you don't know WILL hurt you! Courts have prosecuted people due to their ignorance for lesser crimes.
Watcher3223 4 months ago
Just so you guys know Nick M no longer works at Wilson Combat... I'll let you guess why. ;)
chrisbroxton98311 2 months ago
All the more reason to stick with a Glock.
snakeii0 1 year ago
"the chances of you pistol going full auto rise quickly." What does that mean? I know it doesn't mean your pistol will turn into an Uzi and re-ventilate your room, but for the life of me I can't figure it out.
aaronscrewme 1 year ago
@aaronscrewme
@aaronscrewme
That's exactly what we're talking about, if the sear is damaged and the hammer begins to follow the slide it can go full auto.
limalife 1 year ago
@limalife 0_0 whoah!
Thanks for replying to me so quickly. But for the sake of my humor... PLEASE MOMMY! Can I can I can I...
PS I. Love. Your. Chin. *weirdo?*
aaronscrewme 1 year ago
@aaronscrewme Oh and Pete from the armoury channel sent me (I bet you aren't surprised lol) so I subscribed. GREAT CHANNEL! I respect your knowledge.
aaronscrewme 1 year ago
You are just cute as a button. Cuter even.
Hopefully your videos will convince other women not fear guns.
FunkyPertwee 1 year ago
slowly loading a round in the chamber is bad too. the second bullet in the mag will slide forward possibly jamming the gun. I did that so as not to disturb my wife one night, when i cycled the slide to unload for cleaning the slide jammed
ROGITHEPOGI 1 year ago
I like snap caps. The chamber is even better than empty. They look real, don't go bang, and you can pull the trigger as much as you like.
robalan57 1 year ago
those wilson guns sure are fancy.my plane jane springfield still works great after numerous droping of the slide.a full auto .45 souds cool though.
dieselmac 1 year ago
I bought a kimber classic 2, some years ago. Kimber made it clear in the instructions, " Never drop the slide on a empty chamber". Since reading that, I stopped dropping the slide on any handgun, to be safe. And just for the record, I have been dry fire handguns for years. Hasnt hurt em yet. I Enjoy your videos..
willydan45414 1 year ago
Keeping an open mind and admitting you were mistaken is very commendable. Keep up the informative videos.
titandriver70 1 year ago
I've heard the same thing about a Hi Power, I don't do that anymore.
AdmiralGST 1 year ago
does it apply to a Colt.
airsoftloverusp 1 year ago
I always respect folks that do research since the definition of a professional is always learning to be the best.
tiggerr42431 1 year ago
thats awesome now i know how to get a full auto pistol!!
slfimprovement 1 year ago
Thanks for the info.
goddieone 1 year ago
did i tell u that u look like uma thurman
MasterChiefxyba 2 years ago
a full auto wilson combat? Sweet!
Kidding... informative vid!
razor02097 2 years ago
I have to ask, as per jakevader's comment, whether we're talking here about dry-firing the gun with the slide removed or releasing the slide release without a loaded mag. The first might cause damage over time. Releasing the slide, loaded or unloaded, can't harm the gun any more than shooting it would. Be careful who you might consider a "professional". Too many wannabe's out there to simply take someone's word for it, even if they work for Wilson Combat. Just think about it.
SteveOIF25 2 years ago
We are talking about exactly what I said we are talking about: dropping the slide on the empty chamber of a 1911. This has nothing to do with dry firing of any kind. I did not just take anyone's word for it, I went to the people who made my firearm and also did some independent research after I posted this video and other trusted sources say the same thing: Do not drop the slide on the empty chamber of a 1911, especially if that 1911 has a fine trigger job.
limalife 2 years ago 2
I think I may have been the cause of this video, so I'll retort. There are 2 areas that I believe to be vulnerable to dropping on an empty mag. The trigger is the less vulnerable IMO. The more important area is the feet on the lower barrel lugs. Without the cushioning effect of a bullet, those feet get smacked against the slide stop pin pretty hard. An experiment for you: Load one round in a mag and drop the slide. Drop the slide on an empty mag. Notice how the pistol jumps in both cases.
jbsegrest 2 years ago
Releasing the slide when unloaded is bad. There's no round there to act as a shock absorbing agent, so it's very different from shooting it.
Grubbernaut 1 year ago
Boy am I Glad I bought a Colt,then!! I've dropped the slide on myS/S 1911 SERIES 80,hundreds of time in the 13 years I've owned it...And my Colt has trigger work with LIGHTENED TRIGGER PULL and the only time my GUNSMITH told me there was a possibilty of a FULL AUTO burst was upon the initial firing after he did the work..I had to do a series of shots before loading a full magizine.And once I did that it has been silky smooth ever sence...I have several WILSON COMBAT parts on my Colt,as well....
sum12see 2 years ago
Thank you for doing what most people don't and asking the professional source.
tekwatcher 2 years ago
makeup? Like you need any. Love the videos. Great information. Keep it up.
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321twinstick20 2 years ago
It's important to not drop the hammer with the slide removed too. This will forge the top surface of the frame very quickly, possibly dragging against the bottom of the slide.
jakevader95 2 years ago
This, I knew.
limalife 2 years ago
oh forgot to say thank you, I too drop the slide on empty once in a while, I better stop doing that as well.
terahybrid 2 years ago
I know some of you are joking, but to the others since the sear spring and/or nose chips I assume it would make the 1911 full auto from the get go, not a fun thing for it to go full auto when you just charged the firearm.
terahybrid 2 years ago
Very good. I was told by my instructor the very same thing. I keep a spent brass to drop the slide on. This also helped when I was first starting out because I always know that something was in the chamber and had to check if it was the spent brass or a live round.
ffhatlee 2 years ago
does this pertain to Springfield 1911s too?
zlzgrom86 2 years ago
Lima, all your videos are quality! You're a beautiful woman ... wish I could find somebody like you! ;-) Take care and keep the videos coming!!!
mag2b 2 years ago
Don't apologize to us, apologize to your pistol.
IamaRifle 2 years ago 12
I did. He says he forgives me but I must make amends by taking him out soon and get him something special to eat. So, I'm thinking instead of Winchester White Box I'll give him some Blazer Brass or American Eagle. He said that was a fair deal. We're good.
limalife 2 years ago
Use a magazine with a few snap-caps in them and use those for your videos so people will stop their whining. It will also keep people from complaining if you "dry fire" the firearm. Just my thoughts.
InquisitorMatt 2 years ago
hmm...i never heard of this issue with the glocks?
shaolinwarrior87 2 years ago
why stick to the 1911 crowds in the first place. stick to striker pistols, ahhh whatever floats your boat
bergencarrier 2 years ago
@bergencarrier im willing to bet you dont have a 1911 then...
i have multiple 1911s and a glock 22, xd sub-compact, xdm, and a M&P 40 (and many others)
simply put... a good 1911>striker anything
stryctlyb 2 years ago
your probably a 350 pounded guy, wearing 511 gear obsessing excessively on wanna be special forces accessories on your ar-15 & on your 1911 pistol. lima is good folk, but your the tip of the ice berg. wanna be SF hall of shame! i dont care if you many 1191's or LEO hanguns. When you can do the same damage with a pistol, one assault rifle.
bergencarrier 2 years ago
I have always wondered the same thing, but I was too lazy to call a reputable manufacturer to ask. Thanks for sharing!
chanderson1 2 years ago
so if i break the sear nose or hammer hooks i could have a full auto pistol?
beasley1987 2 years ago
We should all crack our sear nose/hammer hooks :D
TwiceVicodin 2 years ago
Is this only for 1911's or is it bad for all pistols in general? Was wondering about the TT-33 Tokarev..
Dilliboy63 2 years ago
u shouldnt do it on anygun just to be safe an keep ur gun worken at all times
curtispa 2 years ago
great subject great video 5 stars
frederickfrenchjr08 2 years ago
You bad, bad, bad girl........LOL
I've been doing it with my Kimber, although not often. I will stop doing it altogether.
Thanks for video!
sheba106 2 years ago
so in other words, this is kind of instructions on how to convert a 1911 to full auto...just keep releasing the slide lock on an empty chamber. hmmm...interesting lol
sjr341 2 years ago
ive always gotten into the habit of not doing this to any of my guns, no real reason to. I never knew that about the sear though that's interesting.
nicker3290 2 years ago
I wish more people sought concrete facts and the opinion of experts before debating a point of contention. Kudos
callishka 2 years ago
B r a v o.....
yknid9608 2 years ago
humble , good and honest , thanks
767dag 2 years ago
As usual very informative. Love the vids. Oh, virtual slap just in case.
stubby0032 2 years ago
I didn't know that. :-O I've been dropping the slide on an empty chamber on 1911s for almost 40 years.
I guess a person is never too old to learn.
Thanks for the info.
pdalko 2 years ago
Do you do or have you done videos on revolvers??
The6000Sabre 2 years ago
thanks glad to know this i just got my first 1911 today a kimber tactical pro and i definetly dont want to damage anything it cost me way to much money but i love the gun first 1911 i ever owned
jtmoney606 2 years ago
★★★★★
3charter 2 years ago
Great video once again, I have been telling guys on youtube for months not to do this with any semi-auto, but do they listen.. no! lol, now we have some proof of why this should not be done.... Oh, and yeah Wilson Combat watches my video's.... lololol
humans4targets2 2 years ago
@humans4targets2 hey man is it bad to drop the slide on glocks to cause i have done it a few times since i got mine but i dont think it has hurt it any
RunsWitGuns 2 years ago
Your glock is fine, but I would not do it anymore just to be safe. h4t
humans4targets2 2 years ago
★★★★★
MadBadVoodo 2 years ago
thanks once again, ma'am,keep the informative vids coming
boogm 2 years ago
BS! Gun-makers should make a better product that can withstand such "normal wear".
To cause cracks and breakage after perhaps 100 empty chamber unrestricted slide closing? They should make it so that you would not see this even after 10000 cycles.
But that is my view ;)
khanrhy 2 years ago
khanrhy,
Even the great M1 Abrams Battle Tank has its limitations. Use things within their means and to specifications and you will be a happy owner. Misuse or abuse of any product will result in failure or bodily harm.
Yes, companies could harden the steel more, or use titanium or carbide, but how much are you willing to spend?
mnyshrpknvs 2 years ago
Quite so quite so. I would not think letting the slide hit home, without a round in the chamber, qualifies as misuse. Since it does though, one has to question if it is made durable enough for use.
Millions of GIs over the years could answer that with a resounding "fuck yea it is durable enough, I owe my life to that gun".
/me shrugs emphatically
khanrhy 2 years ago
Well, I would never be so conceeded as to call myself an expert, but I know 1911's fairly well. when the slide drops on a loaded magazine, the bullet actually slows the momentum and acts as a buffer or shock absorber so the full force isn's delivered in one sharp blow at the end of travel. This is how John Moses Browning designed it to be operated. There are many reasons why so many companies build 1911's and (related) why so many people buy them. JMB pretty much got it right over 100 years ago.
gblpst81 2 years ago
@khanrhy
I think we have a few reasons why this was, should I say, not so well known. I think first, we as consumers need to start reading the owners manual. Secondly, do your research. If you have questions, search out the answers just like limalife. I think it is vital that, we as consumers become farmiliar with all functions of your firearm. Third, all manufactures need to become more thorough with do's and don'ts of firearm operation.
mnyshrpknvs 2 years ago
So basically you have to ride the slide as oppose to just let it sling?
VinnyS914 2 years ago
I was talking with Kimber Customer Service several months ago. I asked if there was a problem with dry firing a Kimber 1911. I was told that dry firing posed no problem but that the slide should not be allow to slam forward on an empty chamber.
KimberTrace 2 years ago
Thanks again limalife for some fantastic info. I'm sure this is relative to most SA Pistols. I did it a few times with my Sig P226 and it just did not feel right. So, now I keep a few snap caps in the mag.
Keep the great info coming.
mnyshrpknvs 2 years ago
Wow! Good stuff thanks for the info limalife never knew but now i do!
emkplayboy6 2 years ago
oh wow a friend of mine while shooting once had his pistol go fully automatic and now we know why
thanks for the info
somebody243 2 years ago
See this is what I like about you. You go the extra step to find the answer even if it kinda proves you wrong.
Funny I have heard the battle about it also and both sides seem right. To me knowing copper well I don't see the rim of the shell doing mush as in a way of cushioning the blow.
daddyoca69 2 years ago
I really don't care if I prove myself wrong or not. What I care about is getting out good/solid info. If I find out I'm wrong I promise to admit it the moment I learn of my mistake.
I do agree with you. I don't see how a little copper could cushion the blow.. Maybe it's the slowing of the action by shearing off the cartridge and chambering it. That's my guess, anyway. I don't see why this is something people fight to the death over. It' not THAT huge of an issue.
limalife 2 years ago
So now we learned 2 things, don't do it. And that by modifying the hammer hooks you can make your 1911 full auto :0 Of course no one would do anything like that....... Thanks for the info!
unbrkblctzn 2 years ago
I caught that too but it will become the worlds shortest running auto with 8 bullets lol. :)
daddyoca69 2 years ago
That and we don't know exactly HOW or what kind of modifications would need to be made... that and the ATF would be at your door in about.. oh, five minutes. Not for me!!
limalife 2 years ago
You are right on there. I'm just saying hypothetically of course. That's the last thing any of us need. Appreciate the vid.
unbrkblctzn 2 years ago
Google:
1911 + 25 round drum ;)
unbrkblctzn 2 years ago
@unbrkblctzn ok you got me lol.. :)
daddyoca69 2 years ago
I can't recall except maybe once releasing my slide on an empty chamber without manually doing so with my hand. I just naturally cringe to that sound when watching videos on youtube. Every now and again I say something like " I cringe to the sound of the slide being released on an empty chamber" or something of that effect. Now you know though, and so does everyone else who may watch this video. Better to find out later than never at all.
Armed24seven 2 years ago
Good information I found out about this a few months after getting my Custom II and I haven't dropped it dry since... although I admit I did do it quite a few times..
KimberTactical45 2 years ago
Great Info as always! Way to research it! 5*****
lookin4memarbles 2 years ago
O well no body is perfect your forgiven LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
recon66661 2 years ago
Thank you. Your forgiveness makes me feel so much better..lol
limalife 2 years ago
While you quote the Wilson rep, I fear the anti's will attack/target you for posting "info on going FA... another informative vid-thanks
bob1bob2bobbob 2 years ago
Thanks for the info
multicam2000 2 years ago
Switch to Sig Sauer classic line.... (joke .. but that's what I pack, DA/SA decocked). 1911's great guns.
vashguud 2 years ago
Whoa, now I know... Thanks.
drftndunks 2 years ago
I think you would have to do it a lot before it starts to weaken any parts. Since 1911s last so dang long, i guess this would be a problem if a habit was made of doing this.
Good to know! Thanks for the info, once again. Now if I could only afford a 1911....
stitched83 2 years ago
I agree. But it's still good to know as to avoid getting in the habit... like me!
limalife 2 years ago
ok, there it is, now we know, thanks! By the way a very profetional way to simpyl, get a correct answer, lol , alot of the gun communtiy bickers back and forth on assumptions concernign certain issues when its easy just to ask the people who make them, lol...
cutlerylover 2 years ago
Yeah.. I hate bickering and prefer my info to come from reputable sources anyway. How the heck to I know if "gunboy78lover" (not a real sign in name, I hope) knows what the heck he's talking about. I figure the guys who made my gun should have an idea of what's good or bad for it.
limalife 2 years ago
I agree 100%
cutlerylover 2 years ago
@limalife I actually had the seer in my Colt 1911 chip (without me knowing) and it caused the gun to go off unexpectedly. It surprised me so much that I let the gun fall to the floor and the only thing that prevented it from emptying the mag was the grip safety. Because I had let it go, it only let off one round. I had dropped the slide to load the weapon, so there was one in the pipe and six more in the mag.
phot0man321 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this, lima.
hcmalibu72 2 years ago
wow i have learned so many things from your vids... thank you
metalsound7 2 years ago
full auto yay! :P
caatabatic 2 years ago
While you were doing it to your own firearm,(your weapon, do what you want with it IMHO), dropping the slide on ANY handgun in a shop is one of the rudest things a customer can do and will instantly brand you as a novice in proper gun handling technique.
onmilo 2 years ago