@2:44-The god of the Bible might. He doesn't have a problem torturing people forever and approves of slavery in the bible and human sacrfice both old and new testament.@8:19-God killed everybody(Noah's flood) Tortures people forever in hell because he can. @9:11-Jesus said "thou fool" and so did Paul.@9:18-Thought criminals. According to (quran)...the god who created us and gave you life you sinned against Allah and rejected his prophet...Same logic.
Oh the biggest laughable faith based bit of scientific theory is "multiple Universes". They created this in light of the Kalam Cosmological argument. So now chance still reigns supreme!
This is bizarre. Is he saying that believing in the axiom of logic is a faith based belief and synonymous with having faith in a god??
He's so shocked at the response of this guy being his own moral compass. What is it with you christians and having to look else where for your idea of right and wrong. You are basically saying that without the bible and it's associated beliefs you would be a sociopath. Do you really need a book to tell you torturing children is wrong?
As far as I'm concerned, the only Christians who have ANY authority to condemn pedophilia would be (ironically) the Roman Catholics. They have never been 'sola scruptura' and have the added authority of papal edicts. Just as the can add purgatory and limbo, they can say "pedophilia is a mortal sin." Protestants lack this ability to add to the words of the Bible, so they're in the same boat as atheists. So let me ask my question again:
By what authority can you say pedophilia is wrong?
It is very conspicuous to point to Matthew 18:6 as an argument against pedophilia because doing so essentially puts the cart before the horse. This verse is a warning against harming children, but nowhere does it say what constitutes harming a child except causing them to turn against God.
(BTW, liberal Christians point to this verse, coupled with modern psychology, to argue that it's wrong to spank children. I'm sure you don't agree with THAT interpretation of this verse.)
At 2:37, you ask if it's even right to ever torture a child to death. Well I pose a similar right back at you: How do you know pedophilia is wrong?
The Bible never sets an age limit on marriage. Nowhere does it say a 50-year-old can't marry a 5-year-old, nor consumate said marriage. The pagan Romans were the first I know of to have marriage age limits. (14 yrs for male, 12 for fem.) We inherited our aversion to pedophilia from the pagans, just like we did with Christmas trees.
A deist can still defend morality using what I call the "Romans 1:18 approach." They can argue that even though God doesn't intervene, he still "programmed" evolution (or humans directly, depending who you ask) to give us unshakable, absolute morals. Atheists can even use this approach if they back door their way through pantheism.
If we don't have freewill.... then we cannot have conciousness. Conciousness is the mind looking through options. We cannot exist without the ability to subvert whatever is happening in our environment. And when we act we commit a wrong or a right act. God loves us anyway.
I thik you are right in your arguements Seth. As atheist I see the flaw in Deist vision of morality. I agree that his standpoint is indistiguishable from atheistic point of view.
Maybe the first valuable theis/deist video on youtube. (for me)
Proof isn't going to come from a compilation of random book's that has been touched only by man. Even the bible states not to worship artifacts. Which is what the bible is, A reproduced artifact that has been tampered with over the centuries, there's blatant facts that the bible has been edited. Its not a pure religion yet the world is crazy about following other crazies.
great job seth. Im glad this guy was able to get to the punchline of what he believed, or the lack there of, withought the smoke and mirrors other deists/atheists put up. keep up the good work spreading the news about Jesus and the character of God.
All experience ever referenced, in any and all instances, manifests with personal characteristics. There is no documented example of any experience that is completely impersonal.
Therefore, to assume that the origin of all experience is impersonal is very illogical and unscientific. Experience always manifests with personal characteristics, and so it follows logically and scientifically that the origin of all experience also manifests with personal characteristics.
Not all deists believe that God walked away from the universe. I need to ask you this question. Why do christians and christianity believe they are right about the nature of God and the fate of others who are not christians, and that others are damned or wrong? "Belief" is not always necessarily fact! The power structure of christianity believes this, yet, this "belief " may not constitute the real perspective of the true Creator! Religion divides, but deism appears to be a lot less dogmatic!
As a Deist, assuming a Creator type god exists, we derive our morals from our god given Reason, observance of Nature, and the "social compact" with our fellow human beings. Just because the Creator doesn't intervene and be "your special friend", doesn't necessarily mean "he" doesn't observe. Deists generally aren't afaid to say "We just don't know everything." Christians, from listening to the interviewer, only has Jeebus to keep them raping and pillaging the countryside.
So you do admit that our morals come from God? If our reason is God-given (as you say) and our morals come from our reason, then our morals ultimately come from God, correct?
Assuming you agree with that, here is a question: Why would an impersonal God care about persons? If it's wrong to murder a person because God gave us those morals, why would He care if He's watching the world like a ticking clock, unwilling to intervene and help and save?
"our god given Reason, observance of Nature, and the "social compact" with our fellow human beings."
The GGR is unknown, none of the universe's beauty could exist without the big bang.
Our morals are developed out of experiences and concern reflected through the well being of one's self as well as others. Morality is a choice. As the spirits God created can choose their moral alignment, so can we. Positive energy occurs when people of good morality are in charge; religious or not.
And..? By making God out to be "evil," you are not helping your stance. If God doesn't exist, then good and evil are merely human opinions. In which case just because you disagree with God's actions doesn't mean they are evil in a universal sense. And since a non-personal God has no character to speak of, he could just as easily be "evil" as well and not even mind if you rape and murder people.
'observance of Nature"? Animals rape, commit infanticide and commit other acts that would land any human in jail, and they do this all without remorse or empathy. Animals have no morals. Why would we derive our morals from creatures that do not possess morals?
@2:44-The god of the Bible might. He doesn't have a problem torturing people forever and approves of slavery in the bible and human sacrfice both old and new testament.@8:19-God killed everybody(Noah's flood) Tortures people forever in hell because he can. @9:11-Jesus said "thou fool" and so did Paul.@9:18-Thought criminals. According to (quran)...the god who created us and gave you life you sinned against Allah and rejected his prophet...Same logic.
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
Oh the biggest laughable faith based bit of scientific theory is "multiple Universes". They created this in light of the Kalam Cosmological argument. So now chance still reigns supreme!
Kostly 1 year ago
This is bizarre. Is he saying that believing in the axiom of logic is a faith based belief and synonymous with having faith in a god??
He's so shocked at the response of this guy being his own moral compass. What is it with you christians and having to look else where for your idea of right and wrong. You are basically saying that without the bible and it's associated beliefs you would be a sociopath. Do you really need a book to tell you torturing children is wrong?
ptango101 1 year ago
As far as I'm concerned, the only Christians who have ANY authority to condemn pedophilia would be (ironically) the Roman Catholics. They have never been 'sola scruptura' and have the added authority of papal edicts. Just as the can add purgatory and limbo, they can say "pedophilia is a mortal sin." Protestants lack this ability to add to the words of the Bible, so they're in the same boat as atheists. So let me ask my question again:
By what authority can you say pedophilia is wrong?
aridchicken 1 year ago
It is very conspicuous to point to Matthew 18:6 as an argument against pedophilia because doing so essentially puts the cart before the horse. This verse is a warning against harming children, but nowhere does it say what constitutes harming a child except causing them to turn against God.
(BTW, liberal Christians point to this verse, coupled with modern psychology, to argue that it's wrong to spank children. I'm sure you don't agree with THAT interpretation of this verse.)
continued...
aridchicken 1 year ago
At 2:37, you ask if it's even right to ever torture a child to death. Well I pose a similar right back at you: How do you know pedophilia is wrong?
The Bible never sets an age limit on marriage. Nowhere does it say a 50-year-old can't marry a 5-year-old, nor consumate said marriage. The pagan Romans were the first I know of to have marriage age limits. (14 yrs for male, 12 for fem.) We inherited our aversion to pedophilia from the pagans, just like we did with Christmas trees.
continued...
aridchicken 1 year ago
A deist can still defend morality using what I call the "Romans 1:18 approach." They can argue that even though God doesn't intervene, he still "programmed" evolution (or humans directly, depending who you ask) to give us unshakable, absolute morals. Atheists can even use this approach if they back door their way through pantheism.
continued...
aridchicken 1 year ago
If we don't have freewill.... then we cannot have conciousness. Conciousness is the mind looking through options. We cannot exist without the ability to subvert whatever is happening in our environment. And when we act we commit a wrong or a right act. God loves us anyway.
youdonthavealltheans 1 year ago
I thik you are right in your arguements Seth. As atheist I see the flaw in Deist vision of morality. I agree that his standpoint is indistiguishable from atheistic point of view.
Maybe the first valuable theis/deist video on youtube. (for me)
J0EH3AD 1 year ago
Proof isn't going to come from a compilation of random book's that has been touched only by man. Even the bible states not to worship artifacts. Which is what the bible is, A reproduced artifact that has been tampered with over the centuries, there's blatant facts that the bible has been edited. Its not a pure religion yet the world is crazy about following other crazies.
Lev08e39M5 2 years ago
hahahahaha so he is the same as an Atheist...you guys are classic
cookeladoo 2 years ago
Yeah your an idiot. Atheist don't believe in a god/creator, deist do.
Lev08e39M5 2 years ago
I like ice cream
fyourcouchnigga 2 years ago
great job seth. Im glad this guy was able to get to the punchline of what he believed, or the lack there of, withought the smoke and mirrors other deists/atheists put up. keep up the good work spreading the news about Jesus and the character of God.
mojoboe 2 years ago
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All experience ever referenced, in any and all instances, manifests with personal characteristics. There is no documented example of any experience that is completely impersonal.
Therefore, to assume that the origin of all experience is impersonal is very illogical and unscientific. Experience always manifests with personal characteristics, and so it follows logically and scientifically that the origin of all experience also manifests with personal characteristics.
Purushadasa 2 years ago
Not all deists believe that God walked away from the universe. I need to ask you this question. Why do christians and christianity believe they are right about the nature of God and the fate of others who are not christians, and that others are damned or wrong? "Belief" is not always necessarily fact! The power structure of christianity believes this, yet, this "belief " may not constitute the real perspective of the true Creator! Religion divides, but deism appears to be a lot less dogmatic!
potem1 3 years ago
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Not sure who "Jeebus" is either, Seth, but here is a question for you:
The Bible says that Jesus was God's only begotten (i.e., created) Son (i.e., younger than His Father).
So.... why are you a Trinitarian?
FurtherExamination 3 years ago
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FurtherExamination 3 years ago
As a Deist, assuming a Creator type god exists, we derive our morals from our god given Reason, observance of Nature, and the "social compact" with our fellow human beings. Just because the Creator doesn't intervene and be "your special friend", doesn't necessarily mean "he" doesn't observe. Deists generally aren't afaid to say "We just don't know everything." Christians, from listening to the interviewer, only has Jeebus to keep them raping and pillaging the countryside.
thpaine 3 years ago 3
Mr. Paine,
So you do admit that our morals come from God? If our reason is God-given (as you say) and our morals come from our reason, then our morals ultimately come from God, correct?
Assuming you agree with that, here is a question: Why would an impersonal God care about persons? If it's wrong to murder a person because God gave us those morals, why would He care if He's watching the world like a ticking clock, unwilling to intervene and help and save?
And who is Jeebus?
Happy NYear!
sethdtw 3 years ago
@sethdtw
"our god given Reason, observance of Nature, and the "social compact" with our fellow human beings."
The GGR is unknown, none of the universe's beauty could exist without the big bang.
Our morals are developed out of experiences and concern reflected through the well being of one's self as well as others. Morality is a choice. As the spirits God created can choose their moral alignment, so can we. Positive energy occurs when people of good morality are in charge; religious or not.
GuitarMannnnnn 11 months ago
Wasn`t it the same personal God that killed and ordered the killing of so many children & infants in the bible.
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)
Hosea 9:11-16, Ezekiel 9:5-7, Leviticus 26:21-22, Isaiah 13:15-18, 1 Samuel 15:3,7-8
-Christian strongly considering deism
ThirdProverb 2 years ago
And..? By making God out to be "evil," you are not helping your stance. If God doesn't exist, then good and evil are merely human opinions. In which case just because you disagree with God's actions doesn't mean they are evil in a universal sense. And since a non-personal God has no character to speak of, he could just as easily be "evil" as well and not even mind if you rape and murder people.
Fleefles 2 years ago
'observance of Nature"? Animals rape, commit infanticide and commit other acts that would land any human in jail, and they do this all without remorse or empathy. Animals have no morals. Why would we derive our morals from creatures that do not possess morals?
Fleefles 2 years ago