The problem here is that even given the advances in iPS cell research the religious nuts still protest.
Now as it turns out most people don't know what iPS cells are, they never heard of them.
So with no basic knowledge the objectors continue to protest... without understanding what iPS cells are or how they become progenitors or stems themselves.
The lesson here is that all you need to protest an invalid moral argument is little or no knowledge of what you are talking about.
Dr. Oz is a quack! Just because he says this new technique is going to work in less than ten years doesn't make it so. The method sounds feasible, but who is he to say how quickly this will develop - if it does at all! Don't get me wrong, it would be a great alternative to embryonic treatment, but people need to stop taking everything Dr. Oz says as if it's set in stone. Just because he's on TV doesn't make him right!
@iandagatube iPS has already been tested in both humans hiPS and mice using bFGF or FGF-2 growth factors. It works fine.
However the reason it will take up to 7 years is 5 years of human trials required to give the thumbs up for any new medical procedure.
iPS is not totally new, its been researched since around 2005.
I take your point about TV scientists... but they do have to put information into the public domain and therefore lower the grade of the information to an understandable level.
@iandagatube in fact on an update to that I first heard of iPS cells therapy research in 2005 and read a bit about it when a Japanese researcher pointed out how regular cells could be induced to reform back to progenitors in a paper 7 or 8 years ago...
However the funny thing is there are moral objections to this research too! mostly from those who have no clue it isn't ES research or who have been deliberately misinformed of what it actually is... that includes politicians BTW!
@MumblingMickey Thanks for the info! I must admit, I was both hasty and harsh in my response to this video. I had just finished watching a separate video that got me fuming, where Dr. Oz was supporting alternative medicines as viable treatments for serious illnesses, such as heart disease. But that's a whole other argument. As for the iPS cells - I'm all for it, and I'm very glad you filled me in. Thanks again!
You guys think too deep and not getting result, there is Hydrogen pills in market and Hydrogen is the only one, smallest molicule to get through the gate at the neck.
There are many testimonials that people who suffer from brain damage or sickness take Hydrogen pills regulary are getting much better result other than any other medicines.
Seriously pal... how stupid do you think people are? I'm sure there are many testimonials of people who say shoving a fucking grapefruit up their ass removes piles....
But I'll leave that up to you to test in your own time.
embryonic does not mean it has to come from an embryo. you have your own embryonic cells. no babies need to be destroyed to get stem cells, that is missinformation to induce panic in fanatics. in fact you can if you need to get them, through umbilicle cord blood donation. or your own body.
so really life of a baby can produce stem cells, not the death or murder of a baby.
@bassbugg7 ES cells loose the title of being pluripotent after about a week.... they can be extracted without affecting the progression of an embryo. But you can make pluripotent cells from unfertilized eggs anyway.
What you are referring to from adults are somatic stem cells..all these lines are human cells... and none would become a baby in any case.
Plus these arguments only apply in the US. Everywhere else there is no such debate... Even iPS was developed in Japan.
Since the stem cell research topic has gained a political aspect, i find it hard to trust what i read on the internet about breakthroughs and whatnot.
@Projectmesa Then read the actual papers, they are freely available for the most part and where they aren't the topics of the research and basic findings are always available.
Remember most of this research was not carried out in the US since there is a moratorium on ES research, but the rest of the world continues unabated.
The only difference is the US companies producing these procedures now have to pay huge licencing fees to Japanese, European and Chinese research institutes.
If your not into stem cell then your a fool Christopher Reeves underwent Stem Cell treatment and could move and feel in his fingers before he died. if thats not proof that it works then my god this country trully is blind.
A small blastula != human life any more then cloned skin cells are. I predict the retarded right party of god will see the "turning back to stem cell phase" methods akin to "playing god" and start the whole nonsensical progress debilitating debate all over again. Remember that cures in general are not a Christian virtue, as we are, as the late Hitchens states, created sick and ordered better. Dogma prescribes only 1 medicine and it's a placebo.
Ok really at the end of the video, "it is not ok to destroy another human life to benefit others"..um embryos are not humans, the are a mass of cells!!! And i'm sure your gf has a IUD, and everytime you release a load in her, she is actually having a abortion when the egg gets fertilized. And how come the term for the first gestation period this "human" is called zygotes... IT IS A MASS OF CELLS!!! This "Human" cannot think, feel, and/or vote. You cannot talk to this "human"
@MaddieyP89 Either way it seems okay to bomb Iraqi civilians back to the stone age to guarantee a few cents on a liter of gasoline... you'd imagine if its okay to do that then eating babies for breakfast would be okay!
I think when the US has the moral authority to make such assertions and has demonstrated it won't kill fully grown adults for financial gain at that point I might just listen to what Americans have to say about a few pluripotent human cells.
To help cure Parkinson's Disease, go breath the fresh air in an open area as much as you can, Consider switching from gasoline-powered equipment to equipment powered by electricity, batteries, or compressed air if it can be used safely.
it's the medication that makes him move uncontrollably, he overmedicates. parkinsons actually slows you down, making it hard to initiate movement. so he took too much medication and his dopamine levels are so high that his basal ganglia can't inhibit motor movement, but some people prefer it to the symptoms of pd :(. shitty cakes either way
it's hard to cure viruses because they mutate so fast but non viral diseases can be cured in the form of vaccinations (preventative measures). look at polio...it has been eradicated. so treatment isn't the only option.
Also. As much as I think that Dr. Oz is a joke...they did use heart patients own stem cells and were able to fix the scar tissue around their heart over 75%. That just released today. This video released 2 years ago. So maybe he was on to something there!
There was a surgen in Pittsburgh that took a patient diagnosed with Parkinson's. She went in, and did something to the brain, and completely cured, yes @muscleguitar, cured, their disease. Absolutely no symptoms after the surgery. Quite amazing.
Just FYI. No disease on the face of the planet has ever been CURED!!! Not even the common cold. I find it funny when people, politicians, and doctors talk about finding a "cure." Parkinson's is no different. There will never be a cure, only treatments to limit the symptoms. Cures don't exist. Period.
@muscleguitar Clever, but I'm pretty sure the WHO certified that smallpox has been eradicated. Let's hope we can do the same for neurological diseases.
@miwerino Smallpox can be eradicated (stoped before it invades a person by immunization) but once contracted cannot be CURED. People still die from it once they contract it. Parkinson's has genetic factors associated with it. Meaning people can contract it genetically and no immunization that can prevent this. Potentially in theory if a scientist could prevent these genes from being passed on you could see eradication. Symptoms can be treated but nothing has ever been cured.
@muscleguitar Yes, you are right. Shame on me, I did not pick my words carefully enough (I'm a neuroscientist :$). What I meant to say was that you're right, and that I hope we can beat those diseases the same way we beat smallpox. Take care.
@miwerino Yeah I agree. Hopefully safe research can be done in order to obtain the correct substances to free the world of neurological diseases. Congrats on the neuroscientist title, I am but a mere mortal. LOL. Take care.
@muscleguitar um just FYI liver disease is CURED!!! by transplant there's one but i suppose it depends on your definition of cured. cured as in can be treated as to leave the patient free from said disease, or as in, have been eradicated. There are several that fit the former, Smallpox fits the later. ive no idea why your comment made me a little angry, maybe it was because it was quite rude and defeatist.
@Titankilla1982 So Liver Disease has not been CURED. You can replace a liver that has disease with a perfectly good liver but you cannot ever cure a liver that currently has the disease. My point was and still is that there has never been a disease that has ever been cured. It is just a simple fact. Wasn't aiming it at anyone to upset them. It's just a fact. Not sure why it made you angry either. Facts are Facts. Honestly no disrespect intended.
@muscleguitar liver cells regenerate, over time a diseased lived will repair itself.
Unfortunately it would take longer than the patient would either live naturally.... or would survive with a damaged liver... but removing part of the undiseased liver and using it to make a new liver for transplant or a grafting would indeed cure the patient. Thats a little ways off at the moment.
Patients don't die of the disease they die from the damage caused by the disease.
@Titankilla1982 So Liver Disease has not been CURED. You can replace a liver that has disease with a perfectly good liver but you cannot ever cure a liver that currently has the disease. My point was and still is that there has never been a disease that has ever been cured, nor will there ever be. It is just a simple fact. Wasn't aiming it at anyone to upset them. It's just a fact. Not sure why it made you angry either. Honestly no disrespect intended.
@muscleguitar no problem id had a few beers and was a little bit of a dick. again though depends on your definition of cure there are plenty of cures in the sense of not having to have ongoing treatments for something in one person, most std's for example are cured with antibiotics, but if your talking about the eradication of something from an entire population or even the world there has only ever been one case and that's smallpox.
@trentbusta1 Yep read about that some time back. In fact theoretically the guy is not only cured... but should be able to pass this immunity on to his offspring... (which is unlikely to happen since he's gay)
However as well as this 13% of caucasian Europeans have a natural immunity to HIV (CRC #32 delta) and there is also a natural immunity by a limited number of black females in southern africa.
It'll be slow (several centuries) but eventually HIV will permeate the entire human race.
Wait, wouldn't his skin cells still have his DNA? like if they did that it would still be his cells, and they would still have parkinsons? I'm not trying to be smart or anything, i'm just wondering how that would cure parkinsons?
Fuck the previous top comments, I support Adult Stem Cell Research. Embryonic stem cell research has not yet cured anyone. Why would we want to waste time pursuing something that cant yet cure anyone, when we could be using time IMPROVING research that CAN cure someone!?
@www501stlegioncouk Did you even watch the video? Embryonic stem cells will not save lives. You get one dead baby with a different genetic code. So it is guaranteed to kill very young lives and not guaranteed to be useful to anyone not doing single cell QPCR analysis. SCNT (Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer) will treat/cure diseases and avoid the entire issue of treating human life like a resource rather than an object of inherent value. If you just want to kill babies...find a shrink immediately.
@Soothfish My points still stand: Ever squished a worm or a snail? Ever swotted a fly, bee or wasp? That's millions of living cells you killed.
Ever had sex, and ejaculated using protection. That's thousands of living cells you've killed each time.
GET A GRIP PEOPLE! This research will SAVE cells that are in the forms of people. Not cells which had no chance in the first place, which are used in the research!
The stuff that Dr. Oz is saying is old news to scientists but I'm very very glad that this information is now being presented before such a wide audience.
Embryonic stem cells produce tumors (cancer) only!!!! and never!!! will produce any cures, but adult stem cells only!!!! have already!!!! successes (cures) in treating 75 varying conditions, including heart damage and diabetes and sickle cell anemia, and research is ongoing to fine tune the cures for all. Get it: embryonic (wasteof time) vs. adult stem cells (cures ongoing - 75 and counting!!!!). Embryonic versus adult stem cells. M.J.Fox: adult stem cells only cures, embryonic zilch.
@vtdlk "Embryonic stem cells produce tumors (cancer) only!!!! "
That funny, I'm a little ways through reading 'Stem Cell Biology and Gene Therepy' at the moment... I don't see anything that would give me the impression ES cells are not at the forefront of microbiology research... for the very reason they offer cures for everything from Parkinsons to Baldness!
But hey...I'll bow to your obviously more informed opinion on the ins and outs of genetic research on the matter than mine...
@MumblingMickey Destroyed embryos are a crapshoot deal with the devil. You kill another human being, and it MIGHT pay off and kill the illness. Or it MIGHT give you a useless tumor. Embryonic stem cell research is little more than playing Russian Roulette with child-sacrifice-powered guns.
@DozerfleetProd And if there were actually destroyed embryos you might have a point.
But cultured cells in a lab that can't actually ever become a human being aren't exactly a reason to have an ethical or moral debate over.... a religious debate...fair enough... but you can't expect anyone that does not share those beliefs to be bothered listening.
and they won't either... you are still perfectly free to insist on not using any discoveries that result from stem cell research.
Hey guys, here's a situation for you. There's a fire in the lab, everything's burning down you gotta get out. Do you unconsciously think "oh god get the stem cells out there safely!" No, you don't. You get the PEOPLE out.
god wen mjf smiled dat brought a smile to my face. its such a fulfilling thought knowing dat this idea dat can b done in single digit years so dat a person suffering from this diseases can finally go back to their regular life and never have to worry about this horrible thing. MJF dont worry man ur almost there :')
I loved the guy in Back to the Future and all, but the one thing I HATE about celebrities, are those ones who are activists for diseases that they have. I bet MJF wouldn't give 2 shits about Parkinson's if he never got it
Wait, so there are people out there who have absolutely no evidence that supports that stem-cell research is cruel. You know what is cruel - people having to suffer from something that you idiots are preventing. Some people disgust me, seriously disgust me. Let the stem-cell research happen. It can be you, or your children, who need it one day and face the truth - you knows it will help you, and everyone else.
@mellowmark1 Exactly. Most people are morons these days with selfish attitudes. I hate seeing people suffering because there are those out there who want to put a delay on science to cure those with disease and hardship.
Yes, for many people there is, that's the controversy. When "embryonic research" was first proposed, people freaked. And after Roe v Wade abolished the rights of the unborn and then when stem cells were discovered, it added another facet to the life v choice issue. Words are powerful and adding "stem cell" to the "embryonic stem cell research" was like magic. It’s easy to discount other people opinions or beliefs, but it doesn’t change the facts. We’re talking about research on human embryos.
There are also those who think it's immoral to be attracted to the same sex. Some people are just wrong. What if I think it's immoral to consume chocolate? Not all morals should be considered equal.
@mellowmark1 Yes, I agree, not all morals should be considered equal. And yes, some people I would consider just wrong. In the case of embryonic stem cell research, the immorality stems from the bias created by the dollars being thrown at the industry. It's immoral to skew the focus from a greater potential cure for monetary gain regardless of the pain being suffered by people who might be helped. That’s morally wrong.
@eggbert76 Adult stem cell have "Some' promise . The stem cells from fertilized eggs ave much more . the only reason why they aren't curing diseases is because of the hypocritical village idiot's policy stalling development for 8 years. It's morally wrong to use something that would be tossed in the garbage.? Really ? Do you really think the dump ahs a moral right to those fertilized eggs?
@mellowmark1 you can't be serious, is destroying one life to make another life better not a moral dilemma? Don't say it's not life b/c it can't breathe, doesn't have a heartbeat, ect. Cells are the simplest form of life and it's not a human skin cell it's a human in it's earliest stages. I don't like people suffering but I think killing someone to lessen the suffering of another is not of any real benefit.
How is stem cell research destroying a life? Think about how many cells you kill every time you scratch your nose. Should we not also make that a moral dilemma? You do also realize the cells that would be used would otherwise be discarded, right? Would you rather throw away perfectly good cells than use them to help someone who is suffering?
@mellowmark1 It is different then skin cells as embryonic cells if left in the human environment (a woman's uterus) will grow into a human. Skin cells will either die or grown into more skin. However I did do some reading after my comment and realized that these cells were going to be thrown away regardless. As it's a result of IVF not of stem cell research. So if it's in between throwing them away or using them for something with some benefit then I'd have to be for using them.
This is often forgotten to be mentioned. I would like to remind you that Induced Pluripotent Stem Cells that Dr. Oz is talking about are first generated by Dr. Shinya Yamanaka and his student Dr. Kazutoshi Takahashi from Japan. Let us be grateful to these researchers and acknowledge their contribution to this achievement.
What you bible bangers fail to realize is these embryos have to possible futures in the trash or used to find cures to human suffering. Anyone arguing against stem cell research is saying the seagull at the ump have more use of these discarded embryos than the human race
Can't speak for the "Bible Bangers", but at the same dump referred to, we’d find all the unused cord blood with useable stem cells that haven't received the attention that embryonic stem cells have because the research dollars are focused on changing these human embryonic cells into what both cord blood stem cells and adult stem cells already are; relatively compatible and non-carcinogenic. Point being; focus on what's working and/or what has the greater potential to heal. Adult stem cells.
Can't speak for the "Bible Bangers", but at the same dump referred to, we’d find all the unused cord blood with useable stem cells that haven't received the attention that embryonic stem cells have because the research dollars are focused on changing these human embryonic cells into what both cord blood stem cells and adult stem cells already are; relatively compatible and non-carcinogenic. Point being; focus on what's working and/or what has the greater potential to heal. Adult stem cells.
Michael J. Fox is happy! Why are you people say Oh so sad! When he really looks happy! We are going to get a cure, and I think that made his day. Not his day his LIFE!!!
@knutfheifer because he was holding a human brain you dumb ass idiot. Stupid americans are the ones curing crazy diseases that are brought over from other dumb ass countries..
@Healtheworld4Michael No no, I don't agree with you at all on this debate, you see, most things that were invented were indeed created in europe, you will probably find that europeans invented it first, but americans just "looked into things" and called it their own as they like to boast, was dolly the sheep not invented in scotland or somewhere like that? I have heard that a lot of things were invented in scotland to be fair, so perhaps you are wrong?no? I believe so...
@knutfheifer Whether he is wrong or you are wrong does not matter. You should not insult other people because of where they live. That in itself is ignorant. Any scientist can tell you that an individual's intellectual abilities does not rely soley on where they live. An entire group of people cannot reflect one stereotype. If that were true, well.....the world would be even more messed up than it is now. :/
No cure for parkinson's has been found yet by embryonic stem cell research, but there hasn't been a major breakthrough by using adult stem cells either.
You know damn well that embryonic stem cell research has great potential. And seeing you sitting there with a big smile on your face trying to make it even harder to find a cure for such diseases, while letting people like MJF suffer disgusts me.
I think what people are asking for is more focus on the research with the most potential and that at this point is adult stem cell research. It provides the stem cells all sides agree can potentially cure, without the problems.
@BenRandomS Does it upset you to think that the greater potential for cures is being overshadowed because of the dollars going to embryonic stem cell research? It does me. I don't think people are trying to make it harder, in fact at this point; the disproportionate focus on embryonic stem cell research is the largest obstacle to a more rapid cure. Science is showing the greater potential coming from adult stem cells for very logical reasons that are discussed in this video and others.
@BenRandomS I know you won't listen, but I have to at least try. But if you google terms like "Adult stem cell advancements" or other various terms you will find PLENTY of evidence that Adult Stem cells are scoring HUGE right now! All the while Embryonic Stem cells, when tested, aren't doing so well (and in fact have been shown to have sometimes disastrous results).
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Please do some research before making such claims... at least a little.
@teejnits Thanks for at least trying to set things straight. There's obviously another aganda being met refusing to acknowledge the research showing the more positive potential of adult stem cells. If it's what works better, why not embrace it and move towards treatments ro help people sooner?
@teejnits The lack of advancements of embryonic stem cell therapies is a result 8 years of stalled research thanks to the village idiot. embryonic stem cell have much better prospect for life saving than adult stem cells. these embryonic stems cell are throw away tossed in the landfill what moral object can anyone have .against using trash to save lives
@emailpobox666 First off, like most Americans, we think that we are the only technical nation on the planet. Many medically advanced nations permit, encourage, and support embryonic research. Research hasn't been "stalled" because the US is in flux about it.
@emailpobox666 I don't completely understand the question. Are you asking how much US funds are pending compared to how much money is being spent in the rest of the world?
If that is what you are asking, I will do my best to find *something* that might satisfy. Right now the money is in Adult Stem Cells because many of the same promises of Embryonic Stem Cells are coming true in Adult Stem Cells.
@emailpobox666 Secondly, a huge part of the reason America is split... and I will try to be merely objective. Is if this "embryo" isn't alive, then by all means research on it. However, if it is living... killing it for research is appalling. And for those who believe that conception = child are not willing to give even a slight legitimacy to abortion through research. "Oh abortion is less bad now because we're using the killed bodies for research". That would be like taxing cocaine for income.
@emailpobox666 Again, the issue I was pointing out is if we use these to "help people" (although the topic here is do they really help people), we are giving legitimacy to abortion... Which, in many peoples minds, is the equivalent to murder. It's a moral dilemma, where if stem cell research was permitted, many more people could rationalize abortion. Whereas a large majority of Americans would like to see Abortion stopped. But that's another topic, just using it to explain why this dilemma.
@emailpobox666 Oops, last reply was from my other gmail account... Silly dual login... Frozen Embryos that come from where? As in how do we acquire these embryos, or where do they come from?
@emailpobox666 Ahh, fertility clinics... That's a whole new can of worms I refuse to open in this thread. There's a whole separate moral dilemma regarding fertility clinics-my opinions are far too controversial on that topic-so to not stir up tension I'll leave it be. That being said, it's still a touchy subject from a bio-ethics standpoint even with fertility clinics being the source of the embryos (instead of abortion). Essentially: What is an embryo? How you define it shapes your opinion
@teejnits They throw the frozen embryos away. Would you rather they wind up in a landfill of used to help sick people . There is no other choice since this is what is happening. You can go on about ethics of fertility clinic but it all boils down to whether yo u think it is more moral to throw them in a landfill or used to cure diseases
@teejnits "ll the while Embryonic Stem cells, when tested, aren't doing so well' Thank the village idiot we had as president for that halted the development of embryonic stem cell research
Sure they can take his cells back in time. However, they need to look at the ramifications of this. For example, what if by sending one cell back in time they inadvertently cause that cell's parent cells not to meet one another at the high school dance and then that cell never existed in the first place....
Props to Dr. Oz for denouncing embryonic stem cells due to the risk of creating other problems (cancer) and not from the bullshit religious angle, ' taking one live to better another'
@ParanoiaDestroyah No, it's not considered 'perfectly fine' to just kill an animal, there are laws against it that even result in imprisonment, and randomly slaughtering animals is hugely frowned upon in society.
What *is* considered fine is killing animals to supply food to millions/billions of people, as is necessary to sustain life, something we humans must do, and something other animals do likewise.
Neither killing a man for no reason nor killing an animal for no reason are "ok".
@aaronz101 er, killing millions of animals for food is neither sustainable nor necessary. Other animals do not factory farm, and thereby abuse, billions of animals to stuff their already fat faces.
@Bumblybee256 The fact that you say animals as a source of food are unnecessary is completely wrong, ignorant, and makes you lose any credibility in my view. Further more, the way that animals predate each other is often just as brutal or crueler yet than the means by which the are slaughtered for human dinnerplates.
We just happen to be at the top of the food chain, and more successful at it.
@aaronz101 Lol, then it must be surprising to you that I'm a vegetarian of 15 years and still alive. Er no, animals don't subject their prey to a lifetime of suffering, drugs and stress. They don't take animals and artifically inseminate them constantly. I doubt you know where the food in your plate comes from.
That's not enevn mentioning the huge environmental impact of mass meat production. Furthermore- why do you have greater right to life than a cow?
@Bumblybee256 Congrats on being a vegetarian, but do you honestly believe the rest of the world can continue to live when an entire food source, that is, animal products, is taken away? People are starving all over the world as it stands, and you believe that animals as a food source is unnecessary?
I admit the way some farmed animals are treated is abhorrent, and it disgusts me, too. But I don't abstain from meat because of it, I just choose the humane sources.
@aaronz101 Au contraire, I think it's necessary to do that in order for more people to be fed. Land used for animals and the land used to grow feed for those animals would be more efficiently used in growing crops for human consumption. Raising animals for meat also requires a great deal more water and produces more greenhouse gases. Even free range takes up more resources, also causing more deforestation. Why though, if it's not necessary for your survival, should animals be killed for you?
@Bumblybee256 Sorry, the word limit stops me from addressing your whole comment fully. Anyways, the environmental impacts of trying to sustain the world solely on plants and the like are also potentially very damaging. Assuming high-yield, highly-adaptable GM crops would have to be used to provide such food, they have been found to be quite invasive and people are unsure of their long-term characteristics. And you better not believe there would be any way to go 100% global veg without GM crops.
@aaronz101 I didn't say there would be no issues with plant farming, but it's a world away from the meat industry. It's simply not in any way as sustainable.
@Bumblybee256 I agree that if there's no reason to kill an animal in order to feed yourself, it should not happen, but the simple truth of the matter is that a diet lacking meats is harder to sustain. Do you not agree that it is far more taxing to limit yourself to non-animal products? In a world that prioritizes convenience above all else, I think it's simply impractical.
As for sustainability, neither extreme can prevail -- what should be striven for is balance, no?
@aaronz101 No I don't, it forces you to branch out. Humans are not built to consume meat every day, it's not ntuarl and it's taking a toll on the health in many countries with high meat consumption. I have to make sure I get enough iron etc but that's available in plants too. If it's simply about convenience then that's wrong. Your own health and the wellbeing and lives of other animals shouldn't come after other things. No, I don't see why you'd have any meat production in there...
@Bumblybee256 I'm starting to lose the swing of the debate here, sorry, so I'll try to sum up my stance and perhaps give one last rebuttal:
As I see it, hunger is among the world's paramount distresses. For this reason, eating animals, though it may be cruel and unsightly, is a necessary device and will be for the foreseeable future. If the world reaches a point where plants may sustain it entirely, I am all for that. But it is not the case right now, and both sides have their drawbacks.
@Bumblybee256 True as that may be, meat farming is so deeply embedded in today's infrastructure that reshaping things to accommodate crop farming would take huge amounts of effort, and most importantly, money. But I shall not bring finance and business into this, as that's a whole 'nother pony (pardon the analogy).
I don't know the percentage difference, but removing meat is surely still a solid fraction gone, which is something to consider when the world is nearing peak capacitance.
@aaronz101 I'm sure it took a bit of organisation after slavery was made illegal but it would hardly be an excuse to continue......what capacitance are you referring to?
@Bumblybee256 Slavery's abolishing took many decades, and came in independent bouts across many countries. What I assume you're suggesting is total, global remodeling, and this is unquestionable more significant. Good comparison, though, made me think. I'm talking about population.
I believe the end of mankind will predate the end of meat-eating, and so the best there is to pine for is more humane, sustainable and controlled production of meat.
@aaronz101 I'm not saying this would happen any sooner (unfortunately). But slavery would've been important economically for many countries and I can see how that would also be a big shift.
I agree that it's unlikely to ever stop or would take longer than we possibly have left. In my view it's also unrealistic to expect peace between humans when that kind of violence underlies all societies.
After 6 months of offering stem cell therapy in combination with the venous angioplasty liberation procedure, patients of CCSVI Clinic have reported excellent health outcomes. Ms. Kasma Gianopoulos of Athens Greece, who was diagnosed with the Relapsing/Remitting form of MS in 1997 called the combination of treatments a “cure”. Log on to ccsviclinic. ca for more information.
“I feel I am completely cured” says Ms. Gianopoulos, “my symptoms have disappeared and I have a recovery of many functions, notably my balance and my muscle strength is all coming (back). Even after six months, I feel like there are good changes happening almost every day. Before, my biggest fear was that the changes wouldn’t (hold). I don’t even worry about having a relapse anymore”. Log on to ccsviclinic. ca for more information.
A group of Canadian patients just back from Noble have reported similar results. “I can actually see what I thought were long-dead muscles forming in my feet” said Larry Vermeersch of Kenora, Ontario. “My balance is back and I’m walking without a cane. I’m a pretty hard guy to convince, but getting these two procedures together has made me a believer. I’m looking forward to the physio ahead because I can feel everything coming back.” Log on to ccsviclinic. ca for more information.
A universal benefit reported by every patient has been the recovery of bladder control. Most MS patients have various bladder control symptoms that include urinary urgency, incontinence, nocturia, or urinary hesitancy as a result of the disruption of electrical impulses from the brain to the nerves and muscles that are involved in emptying the bladder (pudenal nerve, urethral sphincter, detrusor muscle). Log on to ccsviclinic. ca for more information.
Other recent MS patients who have had Autologous Stem Cell Transplantation (ASCT), or stem cell therapy have posted videos and comments on YouTube v=jFQr2eqm3Cg. Log on to ccsviclinic. ca for more information.
Dr.Avneesh Gupte, the Neurosurgeon at Noble Hospital performing the procedure has been encouraged by results in Cerebral Palsy patients as well. “We are fortunate to be able to offer the treatment because not every hospital is able to perform these types of transplants.You must have the specialized medical equipment and specially trained doctors and nurses”. Log on to ccsviclinic.ca for more information.
With regard to MS patients, “We are cautious, but nevertheless excited by what patients are telling us. Suffice to say that the few patients who have had the therapy through us are noticing recovery of neuro deficits beyond what the venous angioplasty alone should account for”. Log on to ccsviclinic. ca for more information.
Dr. Hemangi of Noble continues: “These are early days and certainly all evidence that the combination of liberation and stem cell therapies working together at this point is anecdotal. However I am not aware of other medical facilities in the world that offer the synthesis of both to MS patients on an approved basis and it is indeed a rare opportunity for MS patients to take advantage of a treatment that is quite possibly unique in the world”. Log on to ccsviclinic. ca for more information.
Autologous stem cell transplantation is a procedure by which blood-forming stem cells are removed, and later injected back into the patient. All stem cells are taken from the patient themselves and cultured for later injection. In the case of a bone marrow transplant, the HSC are typically removed from the Pelvis through a large needle that can reach into the bone. Log on to ccsviclinic. ca for more information.
Absolute rubbish. As long as the drug companies are in charge there will be NO CURE for anything.
Scorp308 22 hours ago
The problem here is that even given the advances in iPS cell research the religious nuts still protest.
Now as it turns out most people don't know what iPS cells are, they never heard of them.
So with no basic knowledge the objectors continue to protest... without understanding what iPS cells are or how they become progenitors or stems themselves.
The lesson here is that all you need to protest an invalid moral argument is little or no knowledge of what you are talking about.
MumblingMickey 1 week ago
guess mike got his dollorian just hang in there mike an old freind
haspanickid7str 2 weeks ago
Dr. Oz is a quack! Just because he says this new technique is going to work in less than ten years doesn't make it so. The method sounds feasible, but who is he to say how quickly this will develop - if it does at all! Don't get me wrong, it would be a great alternative to embryonic treatment, but people need to stop taking everything Dr. Oz says as if it's set in stone. Just because he's on TV doesn't make him right!
iandagatube 2 weeks ago
@iandagatube iPS has already been tested in both humans hiPS and mice using bFGF or FGF-2 growth factors. It works fine.
However the reason it will take up to 7 years is 5 years of human trials required to give the thumbs up for any new medical procedure.
iPS is not totally new, its been researched since around 2005.
I take your point about TV scientists... but they do have to put information into the public domain and therefore lower the grade of the information to an understandable level.
MumblingMickey 1 week ago
@iandagatube in fact on an update to that I first heard of iPS cells therapy research in 2005 and read a bit about it when a Japanese researcher pointed out how regular cells could be induced to reform back to progenitors in a paper 7 or 8 years ago...
However the funny thing is there are moral objections to this research too! mostly from those who have no clue it isn't ES research or who have been deliberately misinformed of what it actually is... that includes politicians BTW!
MumblingMickey 1 week ago
@MumblingMickey Thanks for the info! I must admit, I was both hasty and harsh in my response to this video. I had just finished watching a separate video that got me fuming, where Dr. Oz was supporting alternative medicines as viable treatments for serious illnesses, such as heart disease. But that's a whole other argument. As for the iPS cells - I'm all for it, and I'm very glad you filled me in. Thanks again!
iandagatube 1 week ago
yes,like god says,every diseases has cure except for death.
starwarsfan7583 2 weeks ago
You guys think too deep and not getting result, there is Hydrogen pills in market and Hydrogen is the only one, smallest molicule to get through the gate at the neck.
There are many testimonials that people who suffer from brain damage or sickness take Hydrogen pills regulary are getting much better result other than any other medicines.
Hydrogen can revive damaged brain cells.
3336met 2 weeks ago
@3336met
hydrogen pills... fuck I've heard it all now!
Seriously pal... how stupid do you think people are? I'm sure there are many testimonials of people who say shoving a fucking grapefruit up their ass removes piles....
But I'll leave that up to you to test in your own time.
MumblingMickey 1 week ago
Stem cells = trans humanism
rynomacamillion 3 weeks ago
embryonic does not mean it has to come from an embryo. you have your own embryonic cells. no babies need to be destroyed to get stem cells, that is missinformation to induce panic in fanatics. in fact you can if you need to get them, through umbilicle cord blood donation. or your own body.
so really life of a baby can produce stem cells, not the death or murder of a baby.
bassbugg7 3 weeks ago
@bassbugg7 ES cells loose the title of being pluripotent after about a week.... they can be extracted without affecting the progression of an embryo. But you can make pluripotent cells from unfertilized eggs anyway.
What you are referring to from adults are somatic stem cells..all these lines are human cells... and none would become a baby in any case.
Plus these arguments only apply in the US. Everywhere else there is no such debate... Even iPS was developed in Japan.
MumblingMickey 1 week ago
Since the stem cell research topic has gained a political aspect, i find it hard to trust what i read on the internet about breakthroughs and whatnot.
Projectmesa 3 weeks ago
@Projectmesa Then read the actual papers, they are freely available for the most part and where they aren't the topics of the research and basic findings are always available.
Remember most of this research was not carried out in the US since there is a moratorium on ES research, but the rest of the world continues unabated.
The only difference is the US companies producing these procedures now have to pay huge licencing fees to Japanese, European and Chinese research institutes.
MumblingMickey 1 week ago
If your not into stem cell then your a fool Christopher Reeves underwent Stem Cell treatment and could move and feel in his fingers before he died. if thats not proof that it works then my god this country trully is blind.
BrokenMegaMan 4 weeks ago
Good to know about this, Dr. Oz.
MusicWorld487 1 month ago
A small blastula != human life any more then cloned skin cells are. I predict the retarded right party of god will see the "turning back to stem cell phase" methods akin to "playing god" and start the whole nonsensical progress debilitating debate all over again. Remember that cures in general are not a Christian virtue, as we are, as the late Hitchens states, created sick and ordered better. Dogma prescribes only 1 medicine and it's a placebo.
Voxnulla 1 month ago
single digits? sounds like bullshit to me.
orbital92hotmail 1 month ago
Get the cells to go back in time.....of course! it all makes sense now. I'll get the DeLorean.
xxRandomnameguyxx 1 month ago 2
Ok really at the end of the video, "it is not ok to destroy another human life to benefit others"..um embryos are not humans, the are a mass of cells!!! And i'm sure your gf has a IUD, and everytime you release a load in her, she is actually having a abortion when the egg gets fertilized. And how come the term for the first gestation period this "human" is called zygotes... IT IS A MASS OF CELLS!!! This "Human" cannot think, feel, and/or vote. You cannot talk to this "human"
MaddieyP89 2 months ago
@MaddieyP89 Either way it seems okay to bomb Iraqi civilians back to the stone age to guarantee a few cents on a liter of gasoline... you'd imagine if its okay to do that then eating babies for breakfast would be okay!
I think when the US has the moral authority to make such assertions and has demonstrated it won't kill fully grown adults for financial gain at that point I might just listen to what Americans have to say about a few pluripotent human cells.
MumblingMickey 1 week ago
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To help cure Parkinson's Disease, go breath the fresh air in an open area as much as you can, Consider switching from gasoline-powered equipment to equipment powered by electricity, batteries, or compressed air if it can be used safely.
nwsxtreme 2 months ago
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@nwsxtreme "To help cure Parkinson's Disease, go breath the fresh air"
Yes clearly its the amount and quantity of air that can cure Parkinsons... a degenerative brain disease...sheesh
Whats next curing cancer by dancing? or maybe replacing a missing limb by rubbing butter on the stump?
The sheer stupidity and total fuckwhackery of some people never ceases to amaze me.
MumblingMickey 3 days ago
it's the medication that makes him move uncontrollably, he overmedicates. parkinsons actually slows you down, making it hard to initiate movement. so he took too much medication and his dopamine levels are so high that his basal ganglia can't inhibit motor movement, but some people prefer it to the symptoms of pd :(. shitty cakes either way
Neogeneticgrowth 2 months ago
prestigious medical doctor?
Since when?
jazztrumpet87 2 months ago
btw, whats with the gloves? serious question?
knutfheifer 2 months ago
fucking side effects of time travel...
cothfi 2 months ago
@cothfi it was the flux capacitor! he just needs to get to 88mph and he's away!;-)
knutfheifer 2 months ago
Why is he dancing like Elvis on his seat ?? Shakey bastard got some movez!
unseensword 2 months ago
@unseensword he has parkinsons! he can't help it!
stephanieclaire13 2 months ago
it's hard to cure viruses because they mutate so fast but non viral diseases can be cured in the form of vaccinations (preventative measures). look at polio...it has been eradicated. so treatment isn't the only option.
tbagzsauga 2 months ago
Also. As much as I think that Dr. Oz is a joke...they did use heart patients own stem cells and were able to fix the scar tissue around their heart over 75%. That just released today. This video released 2 years ago. So maybe he was on to something there!
JeepRuby101 2 months ago
There was a surgen in Pittsburgh that took a patient diagnosed with Parkinson's. She went in, and did something to the brain, and completely cured, yes @muscleguitar, cured, their disease. Absolutely no symptoms after the surgery. Quite amazing.
JeepRuby101 2 months ago
Que lo curen por favor no se lo puede ver así :(
Juliaam2010 2 months ago
Just FYI. No disease on the face of the planet has ever been CURED!!! Not even the common cold. I find it funny when people, politicians, and doctors talk about finding a "cure." Parkinson's is no different. There will never be a cure, only treatments to limit the symptoms. Cures don't exist. Period.
muscleguitar 2 months ago
@muscleguitar Clever, but I'm pretty sure the WHO certified that smallpox has been eradicated. Let's hope we can do the same for neurological diseases.
miwerino 2 months ago
@miwerino Smallpox can be eradicated (stoped before it invades a person by immunization) but once contracted cannot be CURED. People still die from it once they contract it. Parkinson's has genetic factors associated with it. Meaning people can contract it genetically and no immunization that can prevent this. Potentially in theory if a scientist could prevent these genes from being passed on you could see eradication. Symptoms can be treated but nothing has ever been cured.
muscleguitar 2 months ago
@muscleguitar Yes, you are right. Shame on me, I did not pick my words carefully enough (I'm a neuroscientist :$). What I meant to say was that you're right, and that I hope we can beat those diseases the same way we beat smallpox. Take care.
miwerino 2 months ago
@miwerino Yeah I agree. Hopefully safe research can be done in order to obtain the correct substances to free the world of neurological diseases. Congrats on the neuroscientist title, I am but a mere mortal. LOL. Take care.
muscleguitar 2 months ago
@muscleguitar um just FYI liver disease is CURED!!! by transplant there's one but i suppose it depends on your definition of cured. cured as in can be treated as to leave the patient free from said disease, or as in, have been eradicated. There are several that fit the former, Smallpox fits the later. ive no idea why your comment made me a little angry, maybe it was because it was quite rude and defeatist.
Titankilla1982 2 months ago
@Titankilla1982 So Liver Disease has not been CURED. You can replace a liver that has disease with a perfectly good liver but you cannot ever cure a liver that currently has the disease. My point was and still is that there has never been a disease that has ever been cured. It is just a simple fact. Wasn't aiming it at anyone to upset them. It's just a fact. Not sure why it made you angry either. Facts are Facts. Honestly no disrespect intended.
muscleguitar 2 months ago
@muscleguitar liver cells regenerate, over time a diseased lived will repair itself.
Unfortunately it would take longer than the patient would either live naturally.... or would survive with a damaged liver... but removing part of the undiseased liver and using it to make a new liver for transplant or a grafting would indeed cure the patient. Thats a little ways off at the moment.
Patients don't die of the disease they die from the damage caused by the disease.
Your 'facts' aren't factual.
MumblingMickey 1 week ago
@Titankilla1982 So Liver Disease has not been CURED. You can replace a liver that has disease with a perfectly good liver but you cannot ever cure a liver that currently has the disease. My point was and still is that there has never been a disease that has ever been cured, nor will there ever be. It is just a simple fact. Wasn't aiming it at anyone to upset them. It's just a fact. Not sure why it made you angry either. Honestly no disrespect intended.
muscleguitar 2 months ago
@muscleguitar no problem id had a few beers and was a little bit of a dick. again though depends on your definition of cure there are plenty of cures in the sense of not having to have ongoing treatments for something in one person, most std's for example are cured with antibiotics, but if your talking about the eradication of something from an entire population or even the world there has only ever been one case and that's smallpox.
Titankilla1982 2 months ago
i would agree that the word cure gets banded about to much though and people should say effective treatment rather than cure
Titankilla1982 2 months ago
@muscleguitar aids has been cured in one case appently check it out
trentbusta1 2 months ago
@trentbusta1 Yep read about that some time back. In fact theoretically the guy is not only cured... but should be able to pass this immunity on to his offspring... (which is unlikely to happen since he's gay)
However as well as this 13% of caucasian Europeans have a natural immunity to HIV (CRC #32 delta) and there is also a natural immunity by a limited number of black females in southern africa.
It'll be slow (several centuries) but eventually HIV will permeate the entire human race.
MumblingMickey 1 week ago
when he started with introducing Dr Oz as an expert (especially on neurology) i thought he was going to criticize him!!
JuveAndre 2 months ago
Wait, wouldn't his skin cells still have his DNA? like if they did that it would still be his cells, and they would still have parkinsons? I'm not trying to be smart or anything, i'm just wondering how that would cure parkinsons?
AwesomestEvahh 2 months ago
@AwesomestEvahh Because they want to repair the damage that caused Parkinson's it's not something he was born with.
hildegain 2 months ago
use both and cure it faster...
Kyu1LL 2 months ago
Fuck the previous top comments, I support Adult Stem Cell Research. Embryonic stem cell research has not yet cured anyone. Why would we want to waste time pursuing something that cant yet cure anyone, when we could be using time IMPROVING research that CAN cure someone!?
thecapone45 3 months ago 5
im sorry to be kinda immature but OMG THTS A REAL BRAIN
sofunnyyo12 3 months ago
embryos are no longer required
kenopanishad 3 months ago
I'm sorry, but 100 undifferentiated cells does not a human life make.........and your agenda is very transparent.
evolve749 3 months ago
It's sad that you believe anything scientific from "Dr." Oz... regardless of what side of the debate you are on.
He needs to stick to telling women how to lose weight and stay out of these complex matters
supercooper6882 3 months ago
Dumb ass.
FrankSmith1420 3 months ago
@www501stlegioncouk Did you even watch the video? Embryonic stem cells will not save lives. You get one dead baby with a different genetic code. So it is guaranteed to kill very young lives and not guaranteed to be useful to anyone not doing single cell QPCR analysis. SCNT (Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer) will treat/cure diseases and avoid the entire issue of treating human life like a resource rather than an object of inherent value. If you just want to kill babies...find a shrink immediately.
Soothfish 3 months ago
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@Soothfish My points still stand: Ever squished a worm or a snail? Ever swotted a fly, bee or wasp? That's millions of living cells you killed.
Ever had sex, and ejaculated using protection. That's thousands of living cells you've killed each time.
GET A GRIP PEOPLE! This research will SAVE cells that are in the forms of people. Not cells which had no chance in the first place, which are used in the research!
www501stlegioncouk 3 months ago
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Soothfish 3 months ago
The stuff that Dr. Oz is saying is old news to scientists but I'm very very glad that this information is now being presented before such a wide audience.
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Soothfish 3 months ago
Embryonic stem cells produce tumors (cancer) only!!!! and never!!! will produce any cures, but adult stem cells only!!!! have already!!!! successes (cures) in treating 75 varying conditions, including heart damage and diabetes and sickle cell anemia, and research is ongoing to fine tune the cures for all. Get it: embryonic (wasteof time) vs. adult stem cells (cures ongoing - 75 and counting!!!!). Embryonic versus adult stem cells. M.J.Fox: adult stem cells only cures, embryonic zilch.
vtdlk 3 months ago
@vtdlk "Embryonic stem cells produce tumors (cancer) only!!!! "
That funny, I'm a little ways through reading 'Stem Cell Biology and Gene Therepy' at the moment... I don't see anything that would give me the impression ES cells are not at the forefront of microbiology research... for the very reason they offer cures for everything from Parkinsons to Baldness!
But hey...I'll bow to your obviously more informed opinion on the ins and outs of genetic research on the matter than mine...
Sheesh
MumblingMickey 1 week ago
@MumblingMickey Destroyed embryos are a crapshoot deal with the devil. You kill another human being, and it MIGHT pay off and kill the illness. Or it MIGHT give you a useless tumor. Embryonic stem cell research is little more than playing Russian Roulette with child-sacrifice-powered guns.
DozerfleetProd 4 days ago
@DozerfleetProd And if there were actually destroyed embryos you might have a point.
But cultured cells in a lab that can't actually ever become a human being aren't exactly a reason to have an ethical or moral debate over.... a religious debate...fair enough... but you can't expect anyone that does not share those beliefs to be bothered listening.
and they won't either... you are still perfectly free to insist on not using any discoveries that result from stem cell research.
MumblingMickey 3 days ago
Back in time.
TheLennonLad 4 months ago
God bless you michael!!!!!
LadyScorpio39 4 months ago
jesus fox... your squirming
augustburnsbluue 4 months ago
This guy better stop spanking it, because every time he does, he's killing millions of potential lives.
squamish4244 4 months ago
Hey guys, here's a situation for you. There's a fire in the lab, everything's burning down you gotta get out. Do you unconsciously think "oh god get the stem cells out there safely!" No, you don't. You get the PEOPLE out.
baseball79512 4 months ago
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Whatever it takes, man.
mrsjonesak 4 months ago
god bless us all.
mikedomes 4 months ago
I have heard that adult stem cells are better,
steflondon88 4 months ago
This video would have been like a million times better if you didn't have your stupid piece to camera at either end.
Treefingrs 4 months ago
great video...i love michael j fox...lets hope he gets better and makes another back to the future movie lol
hilariousbollywood 4 months ago
Use whatever you need to stop people suffering. ....
wildthecat 4 months ago
Whoever thinks people should stop research for this disease, FUCK YOU! my grandpa has this and it's horrible.
aquaagu2 4 months ago
god wen mjf smiled dat brought a smile to my face. its such a fulfilling thought knowing dat this idea dat can b done in single digit years so dat a person suffering from this diseases can finally go back to their regular life and never have to worry about this horrible thing. MJF dont worry man ur almost there :')
DTEPProductions 4 months ago
I loved the guy in Back to the Future and all, but the one thing I HATE about celebrities, are those ones who are activists for diseases that they have. I bet MJF wouldn't give 2 shits about Parkinson's if he never got it
robotfreshpies 4 months ago
@robotfreshpies thats just how life is buddy.
mxr1d3r12 4 months ago
@mxr1d3r12 I'm not your buddy, guy
robotfreshpies 4 months ago
@robotfreshpies thats just how life is FAG. better?
mxr1d3r12 4 months ago
@mxr1d3r12 Obviously you didn't get my South Park reference. Oh no, how offensive
robotfreshpies 4 months ago
@robotfreshpies ;)
mxr1d3r12 4 months ago
Wait, so there are people out there who have absolutely no evidence that supports that stem-cell research is cruel. You know what is cruel - people having to suffer from something that you idiots are preventing. Some people disgust me, seriously disgust me. Let the stem-cell research happen. It can be you, or your children, who need it one day and face the truth - you knows it will help you, and everyone else.
roffokun 4 months ago
There is nothing morally wrong with embryo cell research. Period.
mellowmark1 5 months ago 19
@mellowmark1 Exactly. Most people are morons these days with selfish attitudes. I hate seeing people suffering because there are those out there who want to put a delay on science to cure those with disease and hardship.
roffokun 4 months ago
Yes, for many people there is, that's the controversy. When "embryonic research" was first proposed, people freaked. And after Roe v Wade abolished the rights of the unborn and then when stem cells were discovered, it added another facet to the life v choice issue. Words are powerful and adding "stem cell" to the "embryonic stem cell research" was like magic. It’s easy to discount other people opinions or beliefs, but it doesn’t change the facts. We’re talking about research on human embryos.
eggbert76 3 months ago
@eggbert76
There are also those who think it's immoral to be attracted to the same sex. Some people are just wrong. What if I think it's immoral to consume chocolate? Not all morals should be considered equal.
mellowmark1 3 months ago
@mellowmark1 Yes, I agree, not all morals should be considered equal. And yes, some people I would consider just wrong. In the case of embryonic stem cell research, the immorality stems from the bias created by the dollars being thrown at the industry. It's immoral to skew the focus from a greater potential cure for monetary gain regardless of the pain being suffered by people who might be helped. That’s morally wrong.
eggbert76 3 months ago
@eggbert76 Adult stem cell have "Some' promise . The stem cells from fertilized eggs ave much more . the only reason why they aren't curing diseases is because of the hypocritical village idiot's policy stalling development for 8 years. It's morally wrong to use something that would be tossed in the garbage.? Really ? Do you really think the dump ahs a moral right to those fertilized eggs?
emailpobox666 3 months ago
@mellowmark1 you can't be serious, is destroying one life to make another life better not a moral dilemma? Don't say it's not life b/c it can't breathe, doesn't have a heartbeat, ect. Cells are the simplest form of life and it's not a human skin cell it's a human in it's earliest stages. I don't like people suffering but I think killing someone to lessen the suffering of another is not of any real benefit.
PatriotNotGovernment 3 months ago
@PatriotNotGovernment
How is stem cell research destroying a life? Think about how many cells you kill every time you scratch your nose. Should we not also make that a moral dilemma? You do also realize the cells that would be used would otherwise be discarded, right? Would you rather throw away perfectly good cells than use them to help someone who is suffering?
mellowmark1 3 months ago
@mellowmark1 It is different then skin cells as embryonic cells if left in the human environment (a woman's uterus) will grow into a human. Skin cells will either die or grown into more skin. However I did do some reading after my comment and realized that these cells were going to be thrown away regardless. As it's a result of IVF not of stem cell research. So if it's in between throwing them away or using them for something with some benefit then I'd have to be for using them.
PatriotNotGovernment 3 months ago
@PatriotNotGovernment
Good man/woman.
mellowmark1 3 months ago
@mellowmark1 It's no more immoral than picking mushrooms or eating eggs.
hildegain 2 months ago
@mellowmark1
As long as whoever aborted or miscarried the child consents, you're right.
But embryonic stem cells have been proven to less effective than adult stem cells, as embryonic stem cells can result in cancer.
Anything morally wrong? No. Scientifically? Yes.
bunnyjazz 2 months ago
This is often forgotten to be mentioned. I would like to remind you that Induced Pluripotent Stem Cells that Dr. Oz is talking about are first generated by Dr. Shinya Yamanaka and his student Dr. Kazutoshi Takahashi from Japan. Let us be grateful to these researchers and acknowledge their contribution to this achievement.
kahraman 5 months ago 3
@www501stlegioncouk Well, All the sperm cells but ONE (If your lucky) will die, even if you DON'T use protection.
The whole "don't use protection" and "don't masturbate" bullshit is just stupid-ass propaganda created 6000 years ago so people would repopulate more.
INSULTINGKLOWN 5 months ago
@www501stlegioncouk I'm 12 and what's sex?
DemonBlade008 5 months ago
What you bible bangers fail to realize is these embryos have to possible futures in the trash or used to find cures to human suffering. Anyone arguing against stem cell research is saying the seagull at the ump have more use of these discarded embryos than the human race
emailpobox666 5 months ago
Can't speak for the "Bible Bangers", but at the same dump referred to, we’d find all the unused cord blood with useable stem cells that haven't received the attention that embryonic stem cells have because the research dollars are focused on changing these human embryonic cells into what both cord blood stem cells and adult stem cells already are; relatively compatible and non-carcinogenic. Point being; focus on what's working and/or what has the greater potential to heal. Adult stem cells.
eggbert76 3 months ago
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Can't speak for the "Bible Bangers", but at the same dump referred to, we’d find all the unused cord blood with useable stem cells that haven't received the attention that embryonic stem cells have because the research dollars are focused on changing these human embryonic cells into what both cord blood stem cells and adult stem cells already are; relatively compatible and non-carcinogenic. Point being; focus on what's working and/or what has the greater potential to heal. Adult stem cells.
eggbert76 3 months ago
Michael J. Fox is happy! Why are you people say Oh so sad! When he really looks happy! We are going to get a cure, and I think that made his day. Not his day his LIFE!!!
hagersav101 5 months ago
LMAO...prestigious medical physician Dr. Oz...
doobeedoo58 5 months ago
@doobeedoo58 I prefer Doctor who myself. LOL
emailpobox666 5 months ago
why has he got gloves on? stupid americans!
knutfheifer 5 months ago
@knutfheifer because he was holding a human brain you dumb ass idiot. Stupid americans are the ones curing crazy diseases that are brought over from other dumb ass countries..
Healtheworld4Michael 5 months ago
@Healtheworld4Michael No no, I don't agree with you at all on this debate, you see, most things that were invented were indeed created in europe, you will probably find that europeans invented it first, but americans just "looked into things" and called it their own as they like to boast, was dolly the sheep not invented in scotland or somewhere like that? I have heard that a lot of things were invented in scotland to be fair, so perhaps you are wrong?no? I believe so...
knutfheifer 5 months ago
@knutfheifer Whether he is wrong or you are wrong does not matter. You should not insult other people because of where they live. That in itself is ignorant. Any scientist can tell you that an individual's intellectual abilities does not rely soley on where they live. An entire group of people cannot reflect one stereotype. If that were true, well.....the world would be even more messed up than it is now. :/
kakashidemon321 5 months ago
Micheal J. Fox has been one of my heroes since I was 9. I'm proud I had such great taste even back then!
MattieCooper 5 months ago
@MattieCooper he will be on an interview with micheal parkinson! ironic isn't it! anyway, back to the future and he will be shaking all over!
knutfheifer 5 months ago
I love M J. Fox.. damn good man
truebluepat 5 months ago
No cure for parkinson's has been found yet by embryonic stem cell research, but there hasn't been a major breakthrough by using adult stem cells either.
You know damn well that embryonic stem cell research has great potential. And seeing you sitting there with a big smile on your face trying to make it even harder to find a cure for such diseases, while letting people like MJF suffer disgusts me.
BenRandomS 6 months ago 7
I think what people are asking for is more focus on the research with the most potential and that at this point is adult stem cell research. It provides the stem cells all sides agree can potentially cure, without the problems.
eggbert76 3 months ago
@BenRandomS Does it upset you to think that the greater potential for cures is being overshadowed because of the dollars going to embryonic stem cell research? It does me. I don't think people are trying to make it harder, in fact at this point; the disproportionate focus on embryonic stem cell research is the largest obstacle to a more rapid cure. Science is showing the greater potential coming from adult stem cells for very logical reasons that are discussed in this video and others.
eggbert76 3 months ago
@BenRandomS I know you won't listen, but I have to at least try. But if you google terms like "Adult stem cell advancements" or other various terms you will find PLENTY of evidence that Adult Stem cells are scoring HUGE right now! All the while Embryonic Stem cells, when tested, aren't doing so well (and in fact have been shown to have sometimes disastrous results).
Example article url:
bit (dot) ly (slash) ae2mIE
Please do some research before making such claims... at least a little.
teejnits 3 months ago 9
@teejnits Thanks for at least trying to set things straight. There's obviously another aganda being met refusing to acknowledge the research showing the more positive potential of adult stem cells. If it's what works better, why not embrace it and move towards treatments ro help people sooner?
eggbert76 3 months ago
@teejnits The lack of advancements of embryonic stem cell therapies is a result 8 years of stalled research thanks to the village idiot. embryonic stem cell have much better prospect for life saving than adult stem cells. these embryonic stems cell are throw away tossed in the landfill what moral object can anyone have .against using trash to save lives
emailpobox666 2 months ago
@emailpobox666 First off, like most Americans, we think that we are the only technical nation on the planet. Many medically advanced nations permit, encourage, and support embryonic research. Research hasn't been "stalled" because the US is in flux about it.
teejnits 2 months ago
@teejnits please provide statistic on how much the US is pending compared to the rest of the world
emailpobox666 2 months ago
@emailpobox666 I don't completely understand the question. Are you asking how much US funds are pending compared to how much money is being spent in the rest of the world?
If that is what you are asking, I will do my best to find *something* that might satisfy. Right now the money is in Adult Stem Cells because many of the same promises of Embryonic Stem Cells are coming true in Adult Stem Cells.
tyrrelltj 2 months ago
@emailpobox666 Secondly, a huge part of the reason America is split... and I will try to be merely objective. Is if this "embryo" isn't alive, then by all means research on it. However, if it is living... killing it for research is appalling. And for those who believe that conception = child are not willing to give even a slight legitimacy to abortion through research. "Oh abortion is less bad now because we're using the killed bodies for research". That would be like taxing cocaine for income.
teejnits 2 months ago
@teejnits The embryos atre tossed away daily . should we let the landfill claim them or use them to help people.
emailpobox666 2 months ago
@emailpobox666 Again, the issue I was pointing out is if we use these to "help people" (although the topic here is do they really help people), we are giving legitimacy to abortion... Which, in many peoples minds, is the equivalent to murder. It's a moral dilemma, where if stem cell research was permitted, many more people could rationalize abortion. Whereas a large majority of Americans would like to see Abortion stopped. But that's another topic, just using it to explain why this dilemma.
tyrrelltj 2 months ago
@tyrrelltj It has nothing to do with abortion. The stem cells are are obtained from frozen embryos .
emailpobox666 2 months ago
@emailpobox666 Oops, last reply was from my other gmail account... Silly dual login... Frozen Embryos that come from where? As in how do we acquire these embryos, or where do they come from?
teejnits 2 months ago
@teejnits Frozen embryos from fertility clinics.They are discarded after the parents no longer wish to keep them
emailpobox666 2 months ago
@emailpobox666 Ahh, fertility clinics... That's a whole new can of worms I refuse to open in this thread. There's a whole separate moral dilemma regarding fertility clinics-my opinions are far too controversial on that topic-so to not stir up tension I'll leave it be. That being said, it's still a touchy subject from a bio-ethics standpoint even with fertility clinics being the source of the embryos (instead of abortion). Essentially: What is an embryo? How you define it shapes your opinion
teejnits 2 months ago
@teejnits They throw the frozen embryos away. Would you rather they wind up in a landfill of used to help sick people . There is no other choice since this is what is happening. You can go on about ethics of fertility clinic but it all boils down to whether yo u think it is more moral to throw them in a landfill or used to cure diseases
emailpobox666 2 months ago
@teejnits "ll the while Embryonic Stem cells, when tested, aren't doing so well' Thank the village idiot we had as president for that halted the development of embryonic stem cell research
emailpobox666 2 months ago
Sure they can take his cells back in time. However, they need to look at the ramifications of this. For example, what if by sending one cell back in time they inadvertently cause that cell's parent cells not to meet one another at the high school dance and then that cell never existed in the first place....
JyrishtheVirus 6 months ago
@JyrishtheVirus omg
roxygurl2291 6 months ago
@JyrishtheVirus As long as they play "Johnny B. Goode" right after "Earth Angel" this won't be a problem!
teejnits 2 months ago
michael j fox needs to get his shit together!
MrKingrezzy 6 months ago
Ameritards are insular imbeciles by and large. They're opposed to everything that their Flying Spaghetti Monster's fairy tale book doesn't condone.
Sablicious 6 months ago
Props to Dr. Oz for denouncing embryonic stem cells due to the risk of creating other problems (cancer) and not from the bullshit religious angle, ' taking one live to better another'
BlitzinLB27 6 months ago
@www501stlegioncouk so, like, you didn't even listen to Dr. Oz. Because you kind of missed the point there.
hoffmom77 6 months ago
I think Carlin said it best. Everyone cares about kids before they are born. Once you're born though you're on your own. No help for you then.
JuggernautXUG 6 months ago 2
There is no good reason why Stem Cell research (embryonic, Induced pluripotent, etc) should not happen.
steveforprez03 6 months ago
I hate how people think it's not ok to kill a human, but its perfectly fine to kill an animal. Fucking dick heads
ParanoiaDestroyah 6 months ago
@ParanoiaDestroyah No, it's not considered 'perfectly fine' to just kill an animal, there are laws against it that even result in imprisonment, and randomly slaughtering animals is hugely frowned upon in society.
What *is* considered fine is killing animals to supply food to millions/billions of people, as is necessary to sustain life, something we humans must do, and something other animals do likewise.
Neither killing a man for no reason nor killing an animal for no reason are "ok".
aaronz101 6 months ago
@aaronz101 er, killing millions of animals for food is neither sustainable nor necessary. Other animals do not factory farm, and thereby abuse, billions of animals to stuff their already fat faces.
Bumblybee256 6 months ago
@Bumblybee256 The fact that you say animals as a source of food are unnecessary is completely wrong, ignorant, and makes you lose any credibility in my view. Further more, the way that animals predate each other is often just as brutal or crueler yet than the means by which the are slaughtered for human dinnerplates.
We just happen to be at the top of the food chain, and more successful at it.
aaronz101 6 months ago
@aaronz101 Lol, then it must be surprising to you that I'm a vegetarian of 15 years and still alive. Er no, animals don't subject their prey to a lifetime of suffering, drugs and stress. They don't take animals and artifically inseminate them constantly. I doubt you know where the food in your plate comes from.
That's not enevn mentioning the huge environmental impact of mass meat production. Furthermore- why do you have greater right to life than a cow?
Bumblybee256 6 months ago
@Bumblybee256 Congrats on being a vegetarian, but do you honestly believe the rest of the world can continue to live when an entire food source, that is, animal products, is taken away? People are starving all over the world as it stands, and you believe that animals as a food source is unnecessary?
I admit the way some farmed animals are treated is abhorrent, and it disgusts me, too. But I don't abstain from meat because of it, I just choose the humane sources.
aaronz101 6 months ago
@aaronz101 Au contraire, I think it's necessary to do that in order for more people to be fed. Land used for animals and the land used to grow feed for those animals would be more efficiently used in growing crops for human consumption. Raising animals for meat also requires a great deal more water and produces more greenhouse gases. Even free range takes up more resources, also causing more deforestation. Why though, if it's not necessary for your survival, should animals be killed for you?
Bumblybee256 6 months ago
@Bumblybee256 Sorry, the word limit stops me from addressing your whole comment fully. Anyways, the environmental impacts of trying to sustain the world solely on plants and the like are also potentially very damaging. Assuming high-yield, highly-adaptable GM crops would have to be used to provide such food, they have been found to be quite invasive and people are unsure of their long-term characteristics. And you better not believe there would be any way to go 100% global veg without GM crops.
aaronz101 6 months ago
@aaronz101 I didn't say there would be no issues with plant farming, but it's a world away from the meat industry. It's simply not in any way as sustainable.
Bumblybee256 6 months ago
@Bumblybee256 I agree that if there's no reason to kill an animal in order to feed yourself, it should not happen, but the simple truth of the matter is that a diet lacking meats is harder to sustain. Do you not agree that it is far more taxing to limit yourself to non-animal products? In a world that prioritizes convenience above all else, I think it's simply impractical.
As for sustainability, neither extreme can prevail -- what should be striven for is balance, no?
aaronz101 6 months ago
@aaronz101 No I don't, it forces you to branch out. Humans are not built to consume meat every day, it's not ntuarl and it's taking a toll on the health in many countries with high meat consumption. I have to make sure I get enough iron etc but that's available in plants too. If it's simply about convenience then that's wrong. Your own health and the wellbeing and lives of other animals shouldn't come after other things. No, I don't see why you'd have any meat production in there...
Bumblybee256 6 months ago
@aaronz101 * natural. Apologies for the typos the screen keeps overlaying text and I can't see what I'm typing.
Bumblybee256 6 months ago
@Bumblybee256 I'm starting to lose the swing of the debate here, sorry, so I'll try to sum up my stance and perhaps give one last rebuttal:
As I see it, hunger is among the world's paramount distresses. For this reason, eating animals, though it may be cruel and unsightly, is a necessary device and will be for the foreseeable future. If the world reaches a point where plants may sustain it entirely, I am all for that. But it is not the case right now, and both sides have their drawbacks.
aaronz101 6 months ago
@aaronz101 But, as I have just said to you, the production of meat feds less people.
Bumblybee256 6 months ago
@Bumblybee256 True as that may be, meat farming is so deeply embedded in today's infrastructure that reshaping things to accommodate crop farming would take huge amounts of effort, and most importantly, money. But I shall not bring finance and business into this, as that's a whole 'nother pony (pardon the analogy).
I don't know the percentage difference, but removing meat is surely still a solid fraction gone, which is something to consider when the world is nearing peak capacitance.
aaronz101 6 months ago
@aaronz101 I'm sure it took a bit of organisation after slavery was made illegal but it would hardly be an excuse to continue......what capacitance are you referring to?
Bumblybee256 6 months ago
@Bumblybee256 Slavery's abolishing took many decades, and came in independent bouts across many countries. What I assume you're suggesting is total, global remodeling, and this is unquestionable more significant. Good comparison, though, made me think. I'm talking about population.
I believe the end of mankind will predate the end of meat-eating, and so the best there is to pine for is more humane, sustainable and controlled production of meat.
Getting very tired now, it's late here, Sorry.
aaronz101 6 months ago
@aaronz101 I'm not saying this would happen any sooner (unfortunately). But slavery would've been important economically for many countries and I can see how that would also be a big shift.
I agree that it's unlikely to ever stop or would take longer than we possibly have left. In my view it's also unrealistic to expect peace between humans when that kind of violence underlies all societies.
Bumblybee256 6 months ago
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“I feel I am completely cured” says Ms. Gianopoulos, “my symptoms have disappeared and I have a recovery of many functions, notably my balance and my muscle strength is all coming (back). Even after six months, I feel like there are good changes happening almost every day. Before, my biggest fear was that the changes wouldn’t (hold). I don’t even worry about having a relapse anymore”. Log on to ccsviclinic. ca for more information.
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A group of Canadian patients just back from Noble have reported similar results. “I can actually see what I thought were long-dead muscles forming in my feet” said Larry Vermeersch of Kenora, Ontario. “My balance is back and I’m walking without a cane. I’m a pretty hard guy to convince, but getting these two procedures together has made me a believer. I’m looking forward to the physio ahead because I can feel everything coming back.” Log on to ccsviclinic. ca for more information.
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Dr.Avneesh Gupte, the Neurosurgeon at Noble Hospital performing the procedure has been encouraged by results in Cerebral Palsy patients as well. “We are fortunate to be able to offer the treatment because not every hospital is able to perform these types of transplants.You must have the specialized medical equipment and specially trained doctors and nurses”. Log on to ccsviclinic.ca for more information.
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