@TheRasengan300 Correction sorry it was written on a IPad. Foundation acts are solid I'm afraid, also I do not think that you are going to spontaneously grab a guy In The Ghetto and try to submit hm, I mean on a one-on-one sure, but in a gang fight I would think twice. Ue some of the moves, but work on your Karate and Muay Thai skills, not to mention Kuk Sool or Krav Maga.
@ShuyuKoukin Foundation Facts are solid, also Im do not think your going to grab a guy in the ghetto streets and rape him using Bjj. It works on a one on one, and some moves work, but I would not try a submission the street if I was you. It Is spelled "Dude" by the way.
Good Grappling, such as BJJ negates ANY kind of Striking, hands down, in one on one fights. History clearly shows Grappling is by far superior, regardless of skill. I've seen White Belts in Jiu Jitsu beat the crap out of high level Black Belts in Tae Kwon Do, Kenpo, etc., even seen White and Blue Belts in BJJ beat up veteran Boxers and Wrestlers. LOL, it's not what people want to here, but it's reality man. BJJ changed my life and woke me up to the real world it has saved me more than once
Regarding dirty tactics or street tactics beating BJJ. It doesn't work. The reason why is simple. "example" If someone bites me while I'm armbaring them, I'm still gonna snap their arm like a twig, I'll just have a bite mark afterwards, and they'll have a broken arm. You can't believe what u see in movies like when Bruce Lee bit his way out of being armbarred, that would NEVER happen in real life, unless the dude armbarring you is a complete fucking pussy with no pain tolerance.
Lastly, my closing comment. Again, no disrepect is meant to any other style. However, in my personal experience as someone who does hold rank in martial arts, is an ex-military, and an ex-bouncer> Knowing these "three" particular arts together is what I feel is your best case scenario to keep you prepared for "real" fights. I stand firm in saying that u should learn BJJ first to give u a solid base because grappling is still the most important aspect of fighting 95% of the time.
"Armed" happens for less than unarmed combat, but in the case that it should happen because it CAN happen. I would say that three most effective styles out there are as follows to make you the most well rounded prepared fighter > (1. BJJ (2. Muay Thai (3. CKM {for those "rare" occasions] This covers your grappling, your striking, your multiple attackers, and lastly your weapons defense too. This combination would, in my opinion, be your absolute best bet out there in the real world.
The most effective form of Krav Maga in my professional opinion is CKM (or Commando Krav Maga) - founder "Moni Isak" < I may have spelled his last name wrong lol, but he's the man to seek or any of his CKM Intructors directly under him for the most advanced tactics in life or death hand to hand combat. Please look him up, he's incredible. However, I still believe that even if you're an expert in CKM or any other form of Krav Maga that BJJ is still essential to know.
No disredpect is meant to any other style. Just keeping it real for you guys and telling it like it is. However, with regards to Krav Maga. Yes, Krav Maga is an excellent art for the street. In my humble opinion I would say this. If the fight is one on one with no weapons, I say BJJ works best. If it's multiple attackers I say BJJ with Muay Thai works best. However, if there's weapons involved Krav Maga is absolutely necessary, escpecially concerning knives.
BJJ is for real fighting, not for looking good on film. That's why it's so effective, that's why it beats everything else. The only way people beat BJJ is if you already know BJJ yourself or if your trained in BJJ and a decent striking art, such as Boxing or Muay Thai, and you know how to combine the two against the guy who only knows BJJ, but that's it! If it's BJJ against a "street fighter" or against any other "pure" style BJJ wins every time hands down. History has proven this :) Accept it
@TheWuillotine Excellent comment; I think if you are talking about a pure striking style MThai is excellent but on a slippery wet fighting field with rocks and wreckage I would not want to kick boxing for me is the most applicable striking for military practicality - you can adapt it to knife fighting or use it for Bayonet drills or a rock or ammunition box - use your environment - but in a trench you want to be low so Greco-Roman or BJJ is best - it all goes back to Roman Pankration origin MA
lol he said..the gracies challenged everybody to a fight. its more like a match. as long as its not a life and death situation itll never be a real fight. with so many rules and regulations you have to go by it cant be called a fight. why dont people understand this.
@shogun123442 fighting and sports are two different things. just because you see blood and just because it looks brutal you consider it a real fight? wow no rules? but its televised? its a fucking sport you noob. these gracies or MMA/UFC fighters in general..if they were in a "real" fight..their grappling wont do any good if they were gouged in the eyes or if they're jugular was ripped. this is what "No Rules" mean you doofus. that would be a real fight. stop watching that shit.
@shogun123442 man lol learn how to spell before you start labeling people retards XD. no you dipshit eye gouging was NOT legal.
why dont you put your friend in a choke and see if he can poke your eyes? if poking the eyes doesnt work why dont you let him rip you nuts off? one or the other..this is serious business and this is not sports for dumbfucks like you to watch from your tv. NO rules? no attacks to the groin. no poking the eyes..no biting lol..sounds like rules to me~
@ShuyuKoukin Honestly, I don't really care. 1. They would still beat you, there are still a lot of moves in BJJ that work on the street, 2. It also build reactions. And while I respect you man, you have to remember, you did provoke him, its not like there are no mistakes in your comments, or mine. Its chatting, people rush, people also get angry, emotions are good techniques on the street.
@TheRasengan300 dood lol did you even pay attention? all i said was its not considered as a fight. he was the one that starting calling me names and all i did was responded to the name calling. 1. no they wouldnt and i wont justify why because it will be argued with anyways. 2. i agree, yes it does. its good if its 1vs1 and if its in sports. 3. again, agreed..adrenaline is a strong medicine. i respect you too dood but you have to pay attention before you assume that im at fault.
@TheRasengan300 Ahh, thanks for explaining that man, I still hold my point that I think BJJ is effective. I see what you mean shogun attacked you. You will not need a martial art to "Nut" him, just good old fashioned rough fighting.
Actually, in regards to the Gracies. During the years of the Gracie Challenge Matches. The majority of these fights were unsanctioned, which entailed "no rules", eye pokes /etc, however being that most fights "come to grips", say 95% of the time, and no other style really had significant grappling in their arsenal, BJJ won EVERY time regardless. Poking/Biting doesn't make a difference anyway BJJ trains counters to dirty tactics too.
@TheWuillotine any videos? if none please spare me. all the videos ive seen of the gracies have rules in them. they might term it as "no rules" but seriously most fighters are usually humble and they would not want to go in the fight ripping out someones eyeballs. thats why i said fighting and sport matches are different.
Lastly, regarding "dirty" tactics or "street" tactics over coming BJJ. It rarely works if the man using the BJJ is emphasizing good technique. I've only seen such techniques countered in street fight scenarios then the guy countering it also knows BJJ, but he happens starts biting or groin punching, the difference is that particular guy knows when to use those tactics at the right time to be effective. Guys who don't know BJJ wouldn't know the exact time to counter.
@TheWuillotine did you ever stop to think that most people you see on the streets have no experience in fighting unless they're from a bad neighborhood? so its only normal that they dont know what to do in a fight anyways.
Yes, this is absolutely true. Most people that will attack are NOT truly knowledgeable about fighting. Most are just common street thugs and punks, which case some may be very "tough", but with no real level of skill, so "brawlers" for the most part, and even at best you may have a few thugs that are only trained in Boxing, such as Western style Boxing, thus many good boxers come from rough neighborhoods. However, most attackers won't be highly trained.
In contrast though, even somebody like this can be a problem if you don't understand grappling because if the guy is a thug and boxer whose been in tons of street fights, chances are he's got a high pain tolerance, he can take a hit, he knows how to give a hit, and he's got natural aggression, which makes a huge difference in a fight. In fact, a guy like this is common in the hood, and I'd put my money on him before ANY karate or kung fu guy any day.
In this instance, all the kung fu in the world or ninjistu or karate or traditional style won't have prayer against a BIG STRONG MEAN BOXING THUG, whose been in tons of street fights because they'll get knocked out. I've seen it happen. Maybe a Muay Thai striker will negate and defeat a guy like this, but as far as striking is concerned that's about it. However, against a skilled BJJ man this common type of thug would be just another snack, easy prey, that's my point
@TheWuillotine just like how all martial artists comes in all shapes and sizes..not to mention all of them have different potentials as well. this is the same for those thugs or street fighters. so...plainly saying that karate or kungfu practioners will lose to a bjj user or a street fighter is pretty ignorant. just because you see a couple of karate or kung fu practitioners getting beat it doesnt mean that all of them suck. easy prey or not. to each his own.
Spoken like a true gentlemen and a scholar. I can't say anything negative towards this comment because it was very respectful and you also raise a great point. Martial artist do come in ALL shapes, sizes, and abilities, which is VERY true, thus no two fighters, even from the same discipline will ever be 100% the same. I was just trying to look at it statistically rather than with individuals, but you're right, there are very gifted individual fighters in EVERY art.
@TheRasengan300 Grammar correction (I was writing on a IPad, there sill not as bad mistakes as Drhackers). Yes, but the Gracie's operate highly in America and to respond to one of your ill informed statements, I'm comparing us hand to hand. You came in greater numbers. You know nothing of Martial Arts obviously child, your brain produces such derisive crap. It's not even our countr, it belongs to He Red Indians, if it belongs to anybody!
@Drhacker7 Es, but the Gracie's operate highly in America and to your statement, I'm comparing our countries hand to hand, you came in greats numbers and his behind your guns like cowards. Your country is full of racist, evil crooks. You know nothing of martial arts obviously; all your facts are badly researched. It's not even your country it belongs to the red Indians, if it belongs to anybody!
@Drhacker7 Well our secret services are more diciplined, (your) MCMAP Marine training is sloppy and bullish. You also joined quite late into WW2, you americans did not suffer like the brits. I think you likely had less exposure to the arts of Japan, Karate, Judo. We british also created a martial art named Bartitsu (A ju-jitsu subsidary), look it up. You also have to remember that you stole our language and were from our country.
@ShuyuKoukin Actually the Americans dumbed our language down. Also I must say that your wrong on a lot of your Martial arts points (You only seem to know the well-known ones, no offence). Anyway, BJJ is a good art, but like said I am afraid Keysi, Krav Maga or even Advanced MMA styles may have a chance. But I agree it comes down to the fighter more then anything else.
@TheRasengan300 rasengen dont go around telling people that their opinions are wrong. its just stupid. no offense dood. not only are you being ignorant you're also being arrogant. who made you the person to decide? all on opinion dood. to each his own.
@ShuyuKoukin Opinions are good and all, but facts are facts I am afraid. Also If your opinion was that I should be put down, , should I just lay down and accept it, just because its your opinion, no I thought not. Its like saying that Hitler killing the Jews was okay, because it was his opinion. You can not always hide behind the word opinion. If I came up to you with a gun and you said "It won't kill me because my opinion is that I'm Captain Custard lightning" your opinion would not save you.
@TheRasengan300 facts can be proven wrong genius. anyways you dont know my background rasengan. i dont need to justify myself to a stranger. i stand by my opinions because its through experience and sports wont help this asian guy survive the ghetto streets filled with mexicans. i use whatever works. so your facts are pretty much crap to me. no offense dood.
@Drhacker7 (READ LAST RESPONSE), I am not saying that the we are generally better, but most of your instructors in america are outsiders. Also your attitudes are appauling, I mean Chuck Norris is your only knownn traditional martial artist and he is an idiot. But yes for the most part we own The USA (If the numbers and tech were the same, hand to hand, one on one).
@TheRasengan300 1. One all our military combatives programs are only basic level techniques and if you choose to further your knowledge you do it on your own. 2. the Gracie's are Brazilians....which makes no sense to your last statement.....Royce Gracie's' father lives in California..? and we joined late that's completely irrelevant to our argument, and yes we were part of your country then we came here and kicked your asses with a rag tag milita...farmers and craftsmen.
Thing is this "elite" group trains more with guns then hand to hand. I've met many soldiers who would have a better time fighting out of a cardboard box. You have to train years to fully appreciate the beauty.
@IIIDagNastyIII A lot of army rangers dont know a whole lot about hand to hand in the big scheme of things. A few month course wont come close to teaching you what years of training will. My buddy is a Ranger and in a gun fight he'd destroy me, in a fist fight I could play with him. He's bigger than me too. Not trying to rip on the Rangers b/c cause I resprect the hell out of them, just pointing out reality.
Also training in knife fighting where both combatants have knives gives the person a greater understanding of knife combat. A man trained in kali stands a better chance of surviving a knife attack because he can reconize what his assilant is doing and doing wrong and capitilize on it. What he said is the same as saying dont roll with you bjj partner because you attacker wont know bjj.
@ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 So you are saying that we should use our tax dollars to train soldiers to do something which is basically impossible like surviving a knife attack when you dont have a knife of your own. The Gracies teach this and want you to have the best chance at surviving, and sadly, the best option in this situation is to leave it.
@murcielagoowner No im not im just pointing out some flaws in his logic, training in kali gives the person a BETTER chance not a guarentee. Ps they train for knife defense anyway
If he pulls a knife and you "leave" you get stabbed in the back muscle or worse the spinal colunm, now you are parilized for life or at best on the ground getting stopped on by that assilant.
(-Continued) I guess what I'm getting at is. All I ever see are foul mouthed egocentric people droning on about how BJJ is unbeatable and Gracie will accept any challenge etc. Don't they see they sound just like the fools that thought the TMA (as taught in the last century) was unbeatable? REAL TMA, is lost to sport TMA. Sport TMA became popular in the 20th century, and REAL TMA died out and very few still learn them. MMA has filled the vacuum... BJJ is part of MMA,as is many TMA styles.
I am a bit concerned to see that our military is apparently betting on BJJ as the end all be all of unarmed combat. BJJ is wonderful skill all fighters should train in, no debating that, but he begins the video by talking about the reality of fighting and how TMA films have lied to people, then goes on to espouse the unbeatable power of BJJ. Meanwhile BJJ has been proven to be an incomplete fighting system. If BJJ was all you needed, why do UFC champs spend so much time on other arts? continued
@D3mang3l my martial arts instructor says the same thing, but what both of u dont realize is that the army only trains in unarmed combat to teach them attributes (warrior ethos).nothing more. the army says nothing about BJJ, they dont even use it.u will never find yourself in modern warefare with a need for empty handed combat.when u lose 50+ pounds of gear,all your weapons, your unit, and your sense of direction-you're dead. so u wont be bothering with looking for enemy soldiers.
@ikcjjtt Funny that I sound like your instructor because I used to be a TMA/MMA teacher for a while :) I would disagree partially only because I know army guys who talk up BJJ like it's the end all be all. But I get your point, it's more of a morale things I guess. Spec ops still train to use more advanced unarmed systems for a reason. Don't let jiminy get to you, he's clearly one of the ego trolls I was talking about b4. He just needs his bubble burst, it will happen sooner or later.
i would love to see the version of BJJ that is being discussed by the gentleman here. and no, i'm not being sarcastic. there are many ways to adapt the various arts for different situations, go back before boxing was strictly governed and see what was used in the ring. Juijitsu is a battlefield art in origin after all, just because Mr. Helio Gracie adapted certain aspects for the sport doesn't mean it has nothing to offer our troops. Same for other arts as well.
@MrByaeger the army uses the same version of BJJ as everyone else.Its no more combative oriented than the stuff u see in MMA(i trained in combatives with the army). Keep in mind the winner of a combatives match in modern warefare is the guy whose friends show up with the guns first.Battlefield jujutsu was a combination of karate, aikido, aido,kenjutsu,and judo.U simply didnt do much grappling in modern or even ancient warefare. its just to train atrributes.the guy in the video makes good points.
@ikcjjtt In regard to the idea of learning combatives to teach warrior Ethos, I would agree 100%, I never spent time in the military, but I know that by learning MMA/TMA the way I have, I have a LOT less hesitation in a crisis, or stressful time. I explain it to my Cherry hunting friends like this, you train to shoot a target not just to be accurate, but so when you need to pull the trigger, your body will just go ahead and do it while your brain is still arguing with itself about it.
@ikcjjtt thank you, i appreciate the info and especially the statement about who shows up first with the guns! i enjoy the learning the history of the various arts , for me it provides a deeper understanding of movement and application. best wishes and respects.
O.K. this guy is an idiot. gracie brazilian gay jitsu is not an effective combat system. it is diluted Judo, it's not even Jujitsu. I am calling him an idiot because Seals do not train in BJJ, they can not afford to waste time. Their martial art is a killing art that is not shared with outsiders. I belong to a submission wrestling/MMA and Judo owned by an ex seal/ex UFC fighter and he will not teach or even go into details regarding seal martial art. He calls it Rango. He calls it a killing art
@bagnalldr09 His name is Rainy Martinez. He owned mitts and Matts. He was Don Frye's training partner andf the most dominating grappler I have ever rolled with. He would submitt me in seconds, and He would do the same with black belt bjj, judo, sambo. He submitted Brock lessnar (if it means anything ) plenty of time s when brock came to tucson to train under Steve Owens..
@Blackouttsi2 If you think is B.S. you can verify it for yourself..You may come to Rincon High school gym on Tuesday, Thursdays 6-8, and saturday's 10-12. This is where you will find Steve Owens, who happens to have trained Don Frye and and Rainy Martinez. I will be there and we can randori a bit..
Getting sick of hearing gracie this, and gracie that.....I want to know how much they really changed traditional jiu jitsu. They seem to be given an awful lot of credit just for making a Japanese martial art mainstream and sticking the word Brazilian in front of it.
@timbuctoo88 they made it less like the Japanese Jiu jitsu in that they got rid of a lot of flashy moves in JJJ (not saying BJJ is without flashy moves) but they kinda got rid of the moves that will only work in movies or got rid of moves that are no longer applicable to todays time, for instance the gi collar choke and put in certain moves to make sure they break an oppenent's limb or choke them out like triangle chokes or revised versions of leg locks etc. If I am wrong, BJJ guys correct me
on the street bjj isnt effective one on one in a ring its very very good but on the street you've got things like concrete, clothing like jeans belts and shirts can be a huge problem, not to mention the fact the person might have a weapon or even buddys around
@kmtatyou what are you talking about?? in a street fight once you clench all you need is a throw or a takedown to take it to the floor for whatever limb you want to attack. and the clothing helps you get a better grip. you obviusly dont know anything of bjj bro
@jiminycricket69 and if your wearing tight jeans a large belt buckle?? and if its two on one bjj is useless standard boxing can be used very effectively against more than one opponent.
@jiminycricket69 throws and takedowns and clinch is muay thai, judo, and wreslting-not Bjj. judo works farily well on the streets, as can striking and takedowns. just rolling around isnt a good idea.
@jiminycricket69 on a street confratation, good luck getting by my firearm (revolver), 3 knifes (kali training), muay thai, TKD, karate, JKD striking training, and my BJJ, JJ, catch wreslting grappling training. (yrs of experience in all of them).
@kmtatyou clothes help when your holding onto them bout to man handle someone haha and im pretty sure you look at any fight that goes to the ground the more exp bjj persons gonna do just that unless there on their back and the other persons up but in street fight the only thing they really need to worry bout is there friends jumping in
@codydorman420 How in the world is wearing tight jeans and a big belt buckle gunna help wanna learn self defense bjjs is shit wanna learn mma then its good
@kmtatyou ur a dumb ass hahaha i said nothing about tight jeans and large belt buckle stupid,,, i said in a street fight the person who knows bjj is going to man handle the person who isnt in bjj, if the fight goes to the ground, i did say the person with jj training will use clothing for grip as they are trained and btw whoever is dumb enough to wear tight jeans and a big belt buckle in a fight should get beat down btw yes mma plus jj is more effective then just bjj
@kmtatyou only because they are trained to throw punches not just grab and hold on like bjj fighters and ur dumb if u think its completely useless cuz look at almost every fight in the mma 95% of all fights go to the ground at one point or another if they didnt know any jiujitsu it would be like a bitch fight basicly no punches and just roll around alot until the ref stands them up ok jiujitsu isnt as effective in a street fight unless its one on one but still lets see a striker vs a jj fighter
can u read? u jus keep saying the same things over and over jus because u repeat a statement dsnt make it true... kickboxing is the venue in wich karate fighters compete in full contact the first "kickboxing organization EVER was the P.K.A. Professional KARATE Association. militech spent 10 YEARS in a dojo then started fighting he was still in tarpeins school when he was 19-0 in his 20s! I KNO THESE PEOPLE ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. karate is ALOT of there training SHOREI RYU! just read it again...
Hey Mr Soldier boy. People dont train knife fighting to engage in it if they have a choice. They train it just incase they are in a position where they MUST defend themselves. If somebody has cornered me & is actually swinging a blade at me with intent, I will grab the blade if i have to. I would rather lose a finger than my life. I would grab the knife THEN i will perform the disarming techniques & joint locks. This is assuming I am trapped coz otherwise i would run.
as much as I like BJJ, others have certainly "put their money where their mouth is". My favorite discipline is Karate, I like the evasive movements and all or nothing striking. however, I like the clench work of Muay Thai and Wrestling, there is really no discipline I don't like or have taken from to adapt my way of fighting
Kung Fu, Silat, Kempo, and most Karate have been victims of the Martial arts caricatures of the movies and pop culture. those disciplines are just as real as BJJ, and boxing
@shoulung They might be as real, but when it says putting money where their mouth is, BJJ has proven dominate over pretty much every other martial art.
BJJ is wonderful, but it has a limited skill set. it has good joint locks, chokes, pins and so on; but it has weakness, like poor takedowns and very little striking.
BJJ has had a hard time against wrestling, Sambo, and Judo. does that mean it will always looses to those three arts? NO its never that simple. in fact BJJ can usually win. but that has more to do with the skill and experience of the fighter.
styles don't make fighters. but good fighters make styles famous
@shoulung The lack of "takedowns" is a myth. Its just that the sport side of the art requires very little takedowns because people willingly go there for a BJJ match. In the street, your not going to shoot in on a person like UFC. Its too risky and lets face it. I lived in Detroit most of my life. And you don't want to be on the ground in a back alley with rusty nails and old used drug needles....broke glass and sharp pieces of metal. Bare concrete is bad enough, you injure yourself and you lose
I agree, but self defense doesn't require different skills, just different tactics. speed and efficiency should be the guiding tactic. BJJ can be good, as long as its fast and efficient. sport BJJ is not the best choice for self defense. however good old traditional GJJ is great.
just like sport style Kick boxing isn't very good for street fights. however realistically trained Kick boxing with a focus on street needed skills is excellent.
@shoulung wow all or nothing isnt a good way to fight, because most often then not its nothing. muay thai wrestling some aspects of karate and bjj are he only tools that are practical. the movie bullshit is what makes up 90percent of kung fu.
@shoulung well i just want to let you know, that gung fu or kung fu is all show, that crazy arm movements dont stand up against a person who will slam you on your head.
@shoulung i may be wrong , but what is gung fu??? ps im sure there is very effective techniques that are used, but there pretty secret otherwise these people would fight in a vale tudo style match allowing all aspect of kung fu to be utilized.
gung fu is about developing skills, not necessarily the ability to fight. Gung fu is more abstract than say, Judo or Boxing. its hard to explain how.
but being realistic, there are MANY poorly trained Gung fu fighters. but there are very good fighters in Gung fu/Kung fu/Gong fu/wushu/Quan Fa (whatever name you want to use).
here is a Chinese MMA promotion, many use Sanda (a style of Kung fu)
@shoulung I completely agree with you, so long as someone is cross training with grappling, they can effectively utilize any striking martial art they want.
Muay thai, BJJ, Boxing,wrestling,kickboxing,krav maga,etc. is the stuff that works if you want to defend yourself. Stuff like karate,kung fu,etc. is useless
@9N8X obviously doesn't practice the variety enough to know better. Most martial arts have been refined so that they cannot be labeled as any specific type. The oriental martial arts are difficult to apply because the styles have been confuttled beyond ametuer use, while conversely some others are for sport fighting and the last few are based on old styles used in war. They all complement eachother and the body is the vessel to the mind. Training mentally can enhance performance.
@9N8X I think you have got it a bit wrong.McDojo Karate is useless,real Karate is not.I never trained Karate,im a Bjj practicioner but i have the outmost respect for Karate.Since you are mentioning kickboxing and Muay thai,try and be more open minded and realise that in many "kickboxing" competitions such as K1 Karate is quite usefull.The reason why it is so downplayed is cuz of all the movies and the fact that there are more and more McDojos.Real schools are hard to find,but worth it.
@znjfl Kyokushin Kai is an extremely effective style and Shotokan sure as hell seems to be working for Lyoto Machida.:people can say what they want about him losing to Jon Jones or to Shogun but Machida is still a damn good fighter.
@9N8X The part of Karate that makes him good are not his kicks,its his movement.Not sure about you,but i have never seen a boxer or Muay thai practicioner that moves even close to what Machida does.Im not trying to say that he doesnt use Muay thai and boxing,im sure he does,he is also a BB in Bjj,but its the Karate movement that makes him stick out.
well ranger sounds to me like u sold out to brasil where is your patriatism?? we dnt need brasil to come teach us how to to fight and anytime u lay on ur back and rap ur legs around ur opponent ur not basing anything on reality ur the one perpetuating a fantasy. ur teaching ur soldiers how to get killed out on a real battle field in real life... butt if ud pull ur head out of the gracies ass long enough to breathe ud see matt hughes an american with no bjj training destroyed hoyce gracie...
@bagnalldr09 matt hughes was pat militech's student pat militech was nick tarpeins student nick tarpein was master philip keoppel's student head and founder of the unied states karate-do kai.
@LordBatey I dont know what ur trying to imply but I will say this. Matt Hughes is an All American wrestler. Hes not a striker. He definately in no way shape or form has anything to do with Karate. So who cares if he was trained by someone who was trained by someone who was trained by someone who was trained by Bruce Lee. lol Karate has nothing to do with Matt Hughes' skills, acheivement,career,wrestling or reason why he beat Royce Gracie. lol it was Wrestling & ground n pound that beat Gracie.
@realityIZanILLUSION u seriously dnt kno who pat militech is?? that was the point he tought matt hughes, jeremy horn,tim sylvia,jans pulver martial arts (shorei ryu karate!!) in nick tarpeins school of karate in davenport iowa. where he worked for Nick Tarpein as an assitant instructor for 10 years. all of his teachers were karate teachers except for his highschool wrestling coach lol... everybody wrestled! and despite of what u think shorei ryu has a huge amount of ground fighting...
@LordBatey I know who Militech is. My point is karate had nothing to do with Matt Hughes beating Gracie. Matt used pure wrestling with ground n pound. No karate influence in Hughes at all regardles of who taught his teachers teachers teachers teacher. lol Hughes said with his own mouth "it was plain old American Wrestling"...go listen urself, he said it after the fight. Hughes has no Karate techniques in his punches or kicks. Like I said go listen to what he said in his own words.
@realityIZanILLUSION matt hughes got his training from a karate teacher that was the point of all that if jus used wrestling then he wouldn't of punched him lol I wrestled american folkstyle and scolastics rules for 10 years he used a figure four body ride.. point is he punched and kicked him he ddnt wrestle him to death or pin him he beat him with martial he learned from his teacher...that was the point btw ur first argument implied he lots lots of bjj lol u jus contridicted urself... USA!
@LordBatey Oh so coz he punched him then it must mean Karate? dude are u serious? Hughes said with his own mouth "it was pure all American Wrestling that beat him".Hughes is a wrestler. Hes a wrestler who trains BJJ, Muay Thai & Boxing. I dont care if his trainers trainers trainers trainer was Karate.Thats just immature logic. His wrestling allowed him to control Gracie on the ground,get to a dominant position, use his BJJ to attempt a submission & use ground n pound to TKO him. No Karate at all
@LordBatey "ur first argument implied he lots lots of bjj lol u jus contridicted urself" what are u talking about dude? When did I say anything about him & BJJ? Only time I mentioned BJJ was in my last comment. I think u getting a little too confused dude. The whole world knows Matt is a wrestler, and pretty good one too. He wrestled Gracie & used ground n pound to beat him. Go read his bio dude. Karate has NO place in his success. Also, Miletich himself said his background is wrestling. Sorry!!
@LordBatey Heres Pat Miletich's creds. "His credentials include all-state in wrestling and football, blackbelts in Karate and Jiu-Jitsu, a U.S. Muay-Thai kickboxing title, undefeated in professional boxing, and a 5x Mixed Martial Arts world champion"
Thats from his website. Wrestling, JJ, Kickboxing & Karate. How the hell can u say Matt Hughes is Karate when Karate was a SMALL part of Pats training. lol sounds like Karate fans are just looking for someone to take credit for. lol
@realityIZanILLUSION lol I dnt have to look it up on a web site I know them personally pat began his martial arts training in nick tarpeins school of karate in davenport iowa after acheiving his black belt he worked for mr. tarpein for 10 years he left tarpeins school after he lost a sparing match to mr.tarpein and things got out of hand he then inherited a large sum of money and opened his own school. u stated venues he competed in I told u where he got his training. tarpein holds many world Ts
@LordBatey Like I said, he has training in Wrestling, JJ, Kickboxing & Karate. Thats from his own official website. Im not saying he didnt do Karate, im just saying it was only about 25% of his training. His style was more JJ & Kickboxing. Also his training program for students does not consist of any Karate. Matt Hughes did NOT gain any Karate experience from Pat what so ever. Again, go to his website for a list of his training program mix. NO KARATE! Matt Hughes Karate???? hahahahahahahaha.
@LordBatey The training at Miletic Fighting Systems consists of: kickboxing,jiu-jitsu,judo,wrestling,muay thai & some techniques from sambo.Theres NO Karate!!!! hahaha.This is the training that Matt Hughes & all other students will get.If my instructor had blackbelts in Karate,TKD,Judo,JJ,BJJ & trained muay thai,wrestling & kungfu.Then he trained me in MMA core training of Muay Thai,Wrestling & JJ does NOT mean im TKD or Karate etc. ur funny dude.Dont worry,Machida & GSP are Karate.
they have a good idea of fighting but people who develop there whole life to martial arts are most likley to pick kung fu or one art that needs to be mastrd to be usfull because after 20 years of training or so they would win because of devoloping muscles and long confusing techniques
@kenseisato1989 The quote is "we don't win wars because we can beat the enemy in hand-to-hand fighting, but the things that you learn from hand-to-hand fighting and the things that it takes to be successful at it help us win wars." It's in the video
Its probly not good to go to the ground when the enemy probly caries a knife, but so do you I guess. Plus I dont see them trying to punch eachother on the ground. Also theres no rules so its very unrealistic in ways.
@richardshapiroII I'm with ya bro... The only thing I can think is that the "tap out" system and bjj allows combatants to train 100% against each other with few injuries. I always lean more towards wrestling and kickboxing as bjj tends to fool the fighter into thinking fighting from your back is a good idea rather than something that should be avoided... As a sport, bjj is amazing. In a life or death stuation, with 40 lbs of gear, fighting from your back is not advantagous...
@railroadtrash09 Most BJJ schools emphasize that gaining the top position is advantageous. Even in bjj competitions, the scoring system incentivizes the combatants to gain and hold top position. BJJ bottom game tactics focus strongly on sweeping the opponent, not just submissions from the bottom.
In a mma or bjj competition format, you see bjj people initiate from the bottom mainly because of issues of comparative advantage. "On the street", this would be rare.
@valen85 Ever tried sweeping someone with boots, kevlar, flak jacket, and ammo pouches adding about 40 lbs to your movements??? It would take some skill to judo toss much less set up a sweep. You take a wrestler vs a bjj guy and tell me who would end up on top. Soldiers and Marines don't simply street fight. They are in life or death situations that need to end decisively and swiftly. I train bjj and judo mostly, but with the gear, wrestling is a better base, no doubt...
The dude in the video is a dick.
PubliusAfricanus 2 hours ago
@TheRasengan300 Use some of the moves (correction). The correction was also written n a IPad, it is spelled "Dude by the way".
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@TheRasengan300 Correction sorry it was written on a IPad. Foundation acts are solid I'm afraid, also I do not think that you are going to spontaneously grab a guy In The Ghetto and try to submit hm, I mean on a one-on-one sure, but in a gang fight I would think twice. Ue some of the moves, but work on your Karate and Muay Thai skills, not to mention Kuk Sool or Krav Maga.
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin Foundation Facts are solid, also Im do not think your going to grab a guy in the ghetto streets and rape him using Bjj. It works on a one on one, and some moves work, but I would not try a submission the street if I was you. It Is spelled "Dude" by the way.
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@all
Good Grappling, such as BJJ negates ANY kind of Striking, hands down, in one on one fights. History clearly shows Grappling is by far superior, regardless of skill. I've seen White Belts in Jiu Jitsu beat the crap out of high level Black Belts in Tae Kwon Do, Kenpo, etc., even seen White and Blue Belts in BJJ beat up veteran Boxers and Wrestlers. LOL, it's not what people want to here, but it's reality man. BJJ changed my life and woke me up to the real world it has saved me more than once
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@all
Regarding dirty tactics or street tactics beating BJJ. It doesn't work. The reason why is simple. "example" If someone bites me while I'm armbaring them, I'm still gonna snap their arm like a twig, I'll just have a bite mark afterwards, and they'll have a broken arm. You can't believe what u see in movies like when Bruce Lee bit his way out of being armbarred, that would NEVER happen in real life, unless the dude armbarring you is a complete fucking pussy with no pain tolerance.
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@all
Lastly, my closing comment. Again, no disrepect is meant to any other style. However, in my personal experience as someone who does hold rank in martial arts, is an ex-military, and an ex-bouncer> Knowing these "three" particular arts together is what I feel is your best case scenario to keep you prepared for "real" fights. I stand firm in saying that u should learn BJJ first to give u a solid base because grappling is still the most important aspect of fighting 95% of the time.
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@all
"Armed" happens for less than unarmed combat, but in the case that it should happen because it CAN happen. I would say that three most effective styles out there are as follows to make you the most well rounded prepared fighter > (1. BJJ (2. Muay Thai (3. CKM {for those "rare" occasions] This covers your grappling, your striking, your multiple attackers, and lastly your weapons defense too. This combination would, in my opinion, be your absolute best bet out there in the real world.
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@allrecentrepliesagain
The most effective form of Krav Maga in my professional opinion is CKM (or Commando Krav Maga) - founder "Moni Isak" < I may have spelled his last name wrong lol, but he's the man to seek or any of his CKM Intructors directly under him for the most advanced tactics in life or death hand to hand combat. Please look him up, he's incredible. However, I still believe that even if you're an expert in CKM or any other form of Krav Maga that BJJ is still essential to know.
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@all recent replies to my comment.
No disredpect is meant to any other style. Just keeping it real for you guys and telling it like it is. However, with regards to Krav Maga. Yes, Krav Maga is an excellent art for the street. In my humble opinion I would say this. If the fight is one on one with no weapons, I say BJJ works best. If it's multiple attackers I say BJJ with Muay Thai works best. However, if there's weapons involved Krav Maga is absolutely necessary, escpecially concerning knives.
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
Wait wait I dont care what Sargent says bruce lee could beat the who U.S army with a one inch punch.
chris03101991 1 week ago
@chris03101991 Agreed, Jeet Kune Do vs MilitaryBJJ? Jeet Kune Do.
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
BJJ is for real fighting, not for looking good on film. That's why it's so effective, that's why it beats everything else. The only way people beat BJJ is if you already know BJJ yourself or if your trained in BJJ and a decent striking art, such as Boxing or Muay Thai, and you know how to combine the two against the guy who only knows BJJ, but that's it! If it's BJJ against a "street fighter" or against any other "pure" style BJJ wins every time hands down. History has proven this :) Accept it
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@TheWuillotine How about Krav Maga, the most effective war system in the world, or Keysi? They seem as or more effective then pure BJJ.
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@TheWuillotine Excellent comment; I think if you are talking about a pure striking style MThai is excellent but on a slippery wet fighting field with rocks and wreckage I would not want to kick boxing for me is the most applicable striking for military practicality - you can adapt it to knife fighting or use it for Bayonet drills or a rock or ammunition box - use your environment - but in a trench you want to be low so Greco-Roman or BJJ is best - it all goes back to Roman Pankration origin MA
infokemp 1 week ago
lol he said..the gracies challenged everybody to a fight. its more like a match. as long as its not a life and death situation itll never be a real fight. with so many rules and regulations you have to go by it cant be called a fight. why dont people understand this.
ShuyuKoukin 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin old school ufc had no rules apart from you can kill each other you retard
shogun123442 1 week ago
@shogun123442 fighting and sports are two different things. just because you see blood and just because it looks brutal you consider it a real fight? wow no rules? but its televised? its a fucking sport you noob. these gracies or MMA/UFC fighters in general..if they were in a "real" fight..their grappling wont do any good if they were gouged in the eyes or if they're jugular was ripped. this is what "No Rules" mean you doofus. that would be a real fight. stop watching that shit.
ShuyuKoukin 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin eye gouging was fucken legal you retart and besides when your in a choke
how are you are spoused to eye gouge
shogun123442 1 week ago
@shogun123442 man lol learn how to spell before you start labeling people retards XD. no you dipshit eye gouging was NOT legal.
why dont you put your friend in a choke and see if he can poke your eyes? if poking the eyes doesnt work why dont you let him rip you nuts off? one or the other..this is serious business and this is not sports for dumbfucks like you to watch from your tv. NO rules? no attacks to the groin. no poking the eyes..no biting lol..sounds like rules to me~
ShuyuKoukin 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin Honestly, I don't really care. 1. They would still beat you, there are still a lot of moves in BJJ that work on the street, 2. It also build reactions. And while I respect you man, you have to remember, you did provoke him, its not like there are no mistakes in your comments, or mine. Its chatting, people rush, people also get angry, emotions are good techniques on the street.
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@TheRasengan300 dood lol did you even pay attention? all i said was its not considered as a fight. he was the one that starting calling me names and all i did was responded to the name calling. 1. no they wouldnt and i wont justify why because it will be argued with anyways. 2. i agree, yes it does. its good if its 1vs1 and if its in sports. 3. again, agreed..adrenaline is a strong medicine. i respect you too dood but you have to pay attention before you assume that im at fault.
ShuyuKoukin 1 week ago
@TheRasengan300 Ahh, thanks for explaining that man, I still hold my point that I think BJJ is effective. I see what you mean shogun attacked you. You will not need a martial art to "Nut" him, just good old fashioned rough fighting.
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin
Actually, in regards to the Gracies. During the years of the Gracie Challenge Matches. The majority of these fights were unsanctioned, which entailed "no rules", eye pokes /etc, however being that most fights "come to grips", say 95% of the time, and no other style really had significant grappling in their arsenal, BJJ won EVERY time regardless. Poking/Biting doesn't make a difference anyway BJJ trains counters to dirty tactics too.
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@TheWuillotine any videos? if none please spare me. all the videos ive seen of the gracies have rules in them. they might term it as "no rules" but seriously most fighters are usually humble and they would not want to go in the fight ripping out someones eyeballs. thats why i said fighting and sport matches are different.
ShuyuKoukin 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin
Lastly, regarding "dirty" tactics or "street" tactics over coming BJJ. It rarely works if the man using the BJJ is emphasizing good technique. I've only seen such techniques countered in street fight scenarios then the guy countering it also knows BJJ, but he happens starts biting or groin punching, the difference is that particular guy knows when to use those tactics at the right time to be effective. Guys who don't know BJJ wouldn't know the exact time to counter.
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@TheWuillotine did you ever stop to think that most people you see on the streets have no experience in fighting unless they're from a bad neighborhood? so its only normal that they dont know what to do in a fight anyways.
ShuyuKoukin 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin
Yes, this is absolutely true. Most people that will attack are NOT truly knowledgeable about fighting. Most are just common street thugs and punks, which case some may be very "tough", but with no real level of skill, so "brawlers" for the most part, and even at best you may have a few thugs that are only trained in Boxing, such as Western style Boxing, thus many good boxers come from rough neighborhoods. However, most attackers won't be highly trained.
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin
In contrast though, even somebody like this can be a problem if you don't understand grappling because if the guy is a thug and boxer whose been in tons of street fights, chances are he's got a high pain tolerance, he can take a hit, he knows how to give a hit, and he's got natural aggression, which makes a huge difference in a fight. In fact, a guy like this is common in the hood, and I'd put my money on him before ANY karate or kung fu guy any day.
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin
In this instance, all the kung fu in the world or ninjistu or karate or traditional style won't have prayer against a BIG STRONG MEAN BOXING THUG, whose been in tons of street fights because they'll get knocked out. I've seen it happen. Maybe a Muay Thai striker will negate and defeat a guy like this, but as far as striking is concerned that's about it. However, against a skilled BJJ man this common type of thug would be just another snack, easy prey, that's my point
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@TheWuillotine just like how all martial artists comes in all shapes and sizes..not to mention all of them have different potentials as well. this is the same for those thugs or street fighters. so...plainly saying that karate or kungfu practioners will lose to a bjj user or a street fighter is pretty ignorant. just because you see a couple of karate or kung fu practitioners getting beat it doesnt mean that all of them suck. easy prey or not. to each his own.
ShuyuKoukin 1 week ago 3
@ShuyuKoukin
Spoken like a true gentlemen and a scholar. I can't say anything negative towards this comment because it was very respectful and you also raise a great point. Martial artist do come in ALL shapes, sizes, and abilities, which is VERY true, thus no two fighters, even from the same discipline will ever be 100% the same. I was just trying to look at it statistically rather than with individuals, but you're right, there are very gifted individual fighters in EVERY art.
TheWuillotine 1 week ago
@TheRasengan300 Grammar correction (I was writing on a IPad, there sill not as bad mistakes as Drhackers). Yes, but the Gracie's operate highly in America and to respond to one of your ill informed statements, I'm comparing us hand to hand. You came in greater numbers. You know nothing of Martial Arts obviously child, your brain produces such derisive crap. It's not even our countr, it belongs to He Red Indians, if it belongs to anybody!
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@TheRasengan300 The correction was wrote on an Ipad, so its wrong sorry.
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@Drhacker7 Es, but the Gracie's operate highly in America and to your statement, I'm comparing our countries hand to hand, you came in greats numbers and his behind your guns like cowards. Your country is full of racist, evil crooks. You know nothing of martial arts obviously; all your facts are badly researched. It's not even your country it belongs to the red Indians, if it belongs to anybody!
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
The British are better hand to hand combatants then The USA.
TheRasengan300 2 weeks ago
@TheRasengan300 oh really?? because you have seen this correct? perfect example please? because im sure you havent conducted proper research.
Drhacker7 2 weeks ago
@Drhacker7 Well our secret services are more diciplined, (your) MCMAP Marine training is sloppy and bullish. You also joined quite late into WW2, you americans did not suffer like the brits. I think you likely had less exposure to the arts of Japan, Karate, Judo. We british also created a martial art named Bartitsu (A ju-jitsu subsidary), look it up. You also have to remember that you stole our language and were from our country.
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@TheRasengan300 we didnt steal it...we took it. taking and stealing are two different things..besides..we made it better and more understandable lol.
you also have to remember that we threw away your tea as well!! no afternoon tea time for you~ i bet that must've been hellish for them then..>_<
im joking lol
ShuyuKoukin 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin Actually the Americans dumbed our language down. Also I must say that your wrong on a lot of your Martial arts points (You only seem to know the well-known ones, no offence). Anyway, BJJ is a good art, but like said I am afraid Keysi, Krav Maga or even Advanced MMA styles may have a chance. But I agree it comes down to the fighter more then anything else.
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@TheRasengan300 rasengen dont go around telling people that their opinions are wrong. its just stupid. no offense dood. not only are you being ignorant you're also being arrogant. who made you the person to decide? all on opinion dood. to each his own.
ShuyuKoukin 1 week ago
@ShuyuKoukin Opinions are good and all, but facts are facts I am afraid. Also If your opinion was that I should be put down, , should I just lay down and accept it, just because its your opinion, no I thought not. Its like saying that Hitler killing the Jews was okay, because it was his opinion. You can not always hide behind the word opinion. If I came up to you with a gun and you said "It won't kill me because my opinion is that I'm Captain Custard lightning" your opinion would not save you.
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@TheRasengan300 facts can be proven wrong genius. anyways you dont know my background rasengan. i dont need to justify myself to a stranger. i stand by my opinions because its through experience and sports wont help this asian guy survive the ghetto streets filled with mexicans. i use whatever works. so your facts are pretty much crap to me. no offense dood.
ShuyuKoukin 1 week ago
@Drhacker7 (READ LAST RESPONSE), I am not saying that the we are generally better, but most of your instructors in america are outsiders. Also your attitudes are appauling, I mean Chuck Norris is your only knownn traditional martial artist and he is an idiot. But yes for the most part we own The USA (If the numbers and tech were the same, hand to hand, one on one).
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@Drhacker7 (READ LAST TWO RESPONCES) When I say "Most" of your instructors I mean the most famous ones (The Gracies).
TheRasengan300 1 week ago
@TheRasengan300 1. One all our military combatives programs are only basic level techniques and if you choose to further your knowledge you do it on your own. 2. the Gracie's are Brazilians....which makes no sense to your last statement.....Royce Gracie's' father lives in California..? and we joined late that's completely irrelevant to our argument, and yes we were part of your country then we came here and kicked your asses with a rag tag milita...farmers and craftsmen.
Drhacker7 1 week ago
Have to fix the tracking on the VCR...
warner4455 2 weeks ago
HD=horrible definition
TheShadowStalker07 2 weeks ago
Thing is this "elite" group trains more with guns then hand to hand. I've met many soldiers who would have a better time fighting out of a cardboard box. You have to train years to fully appreciate the beauty.
Coads301 3 weeks ago
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emmosCaroline 3 weeks ago
so if the other guy have a knife i should leave but if i have a knife i should not show the knife but kill the other guy with knife heheheh
mordeth86 3 weeks ago
How often are soldiers involved in hand to hand combat.....reallly.
Jdrbean 4 weeks ago
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RespectMartialArts 4 weeks ago
@murcielagoowner Not even close to impossible. Just a lot of people are ignorant. It just takes hard training
Br0seidon29 4 weeks ago
rangers don't need to learn BJJ. They're already bad ass enough
shakashakab00mb00m 1 month ago
i love when internet warriors know more than army Rangers about hand to hand....
IIIDagNastyIII 1 month ago 19
@IIIDagNastyIII A lot of army rangers dont know a whole lot about hand to hand in the big scheme of things. A few month course wont come close to teaching you what years of training will. My buddy is a Ranger and in a gun fight he'd destroy me, in a fist fight I could play with him. He's bigger than me too. Not trying to rip on the Rangers b/c cause I resprect the hell out of them, just pointing out reality.
beefcake3131 3 weeks ago
@IIIDagNastyIII Army Rangers are not gods ....
232323C 19 hours ago
Also training in knife fighting where both combatants have knives gives the person a greater understanding of knife combat. A man trained in kali stands a better chance of surviving a knife attack because he can reconize what his assilant is doing and doing wrong and capitilize on it. What he said is the same as saying dont roll with you bjj partner because you attacker wont know bjj.
ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 1 month ago
@ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 So you are saying that we should use our tax dollars to train soldiers to do something which is basically impossible like surviving a knife attack when you dont have a knife of your own. The Gracies teach this and want you to have the best chance at surviving, and sadly, the best option in this situation is to leave it.
murcielagoowner 1 month ago
@murcielagoowner No im not im just pointing out some flaws in his logic, training in kali gives the person a BETTER chance not a guarentee. Ps they train for knife defense anyway
ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 4 weeks ago
If he pulls a knife and you "leave" you get stabbed in the back muscle or worse the spinal colunm, now you are parilized for life or at best on the ground getting stopped on by that assilant.
ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 1 month ago
thats a nice canopener you got thare :l
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8ball64 1 month ago
(-Continued) I guess what I'm getting at is. All I ever see are foul mouthed egocentric people droning on about how BJJ is unbeatable and Gracie will accept any challenge etc. Don't they see they sound just like the fools that thought the TMA (as taught in the last century) was unbeatable? REAL TMA, is lost to sport TMA. Sport TMA became popular in the 20th century, and REAL TMA died out and very few still learn them. MMA has filled the vacuum... BJJ is part of MMA,as is many TMA styles.
D3mang3l 1 month ago
I am a bit concerned to see that our military is apparently betting on BJJ as the end all be all of unarmed combat. BJJ is wonderful skill all fighters should train in, no debating that, but he begins the video by talking about the reality of fighting and how TMA films have lied to people, then goes on to espouse the unbeatable power of BJJ. Meanwhile BJJ has been proven to be an incomplete fighting system. If BJJ was all you needed, why do UFC champs spend so much time on other arts? continued
D3mang3l 1 month ago
@D3mang3l my martial arts instructor says the same thing, but what both of u dont realize is that the army only trains in unarmed combat to teach them attributes (warrior ethos).nothing more. the army says nothing about BJJ, they dont even use it.u will never find yourself in modern warefare with a need for empty handed combat.when u lose 50+ pounds of gear,all your weapons, your unit, and your sense of direction-you're dead. so u wont be bothering with looking for enemy soldiers.
ikcjjtt 1 month ago
@ikcjjtt Funny that I sound like your instructor because I used to be a TMA/MMA teacher for a while :) I would disagree partially only because I know army guys who talk up BJJ like it's the end all be all. But I get your point, it's more of a morale things I guess. Spec ops still train to use more advanced unarmed systems for a reason. Don't let jiminy get to you, he's clearly one of the ego trolls I was talking about b4. He just needs his bubble burst, it will happen sooner or later.
D3mang3l 1 month ago
Humanity of today with a small exception that is . . . have disgraced the humanoid martial capabilities -.- f0k dang!t
NevSwitchBlade 1 month ago
what was this filmed with?? a toaster??
dmitriku 1 month ago
i would love to see the version of BJJ that is being discussed by the gentleman here. and no, i'm not being sarcastic. there are many ways to adapt the various arts for different situations, go back before boxing was strictly governed and see what was used in the ring. Juijitsu is a battlefield art in origin after all, just because Mr. Helio Gracie adapted certain aspects for the sport doesn't mean it has nothing to offer our troops. Same for other arts as well.
MrByaeger 1 month ago
@MrByaeger the army uses the same version of BJJ as everyone else.Its no more combative oriented than the stuff u see in MMA(i trained in combatives with the army). Keep in mind the winner of a combatives match in modern warefare is the guy whose friends show up with the guns first.Battlefield jujutsu was a combination of karate, aikido, aido,kenjutsu,and judo.U simply didnt do much grappling in modern or even ancient warefare. its just to train atrributes.the guy in the video makes good points.
ikcjjtt 1 month ago
@ikcjjtt In regard to the idea of learning combatives to teach warrior Ethos, I would agree 100%, I never spent time in the military, but I know that by learning MMA/TMA the way I have, I have a LOT less hesitation in a crisis, or stressful time. I explain it to my Cherry hunting friends like this, you train to shoot a target not just to be accurate, but so when you need to pull the trigger, your body will just go ahead and do it while your brain is still arguing with itself about it.
D3mang3l 1 month ago
@ikcjjtt thank you, i appreciate the info and especially the statement about who shows up first with the guns! i enjoy the learning the history of the various arts , for me it provides a deeper understanding of movement and application. best wishes and respects.
MrByaeger 1 month ago
What kind of toaster was used to record this?
kirbyghoul 1 month ago
The Rangers may use BJJ...but my eyes are set on the SF
Sevv9220 1 month ago
BEST HD EVER
UppaCutZz 1 month ago 28
O.K. this guy is an idiot. gracie brazilian gay jitsu is not an effective combat system. it is diluted Judo, it's not even Jujitsu. I am calling him an idiot because Seals do not train in BJJ, they can not afford to waste time. Their martial art is a killing art that is not shared with outsiders. I belong to a submission wrestling/MMA and Judo owned by an ex seal/ex UFC fighter and he will not teach or even go into details regarding seal martial art. He calls it Rango. He calls it a killing art
franciscoreatas11 2 months ago
@franciscoreatas11 Who is he?
bagnalldr09 1 month ago
@bagnalldr09 His name is Rainy Martinez. He owned mitts and Matts. He was Don Frye's training partner andf the most dominating grappler I have ever rolled with. He would submitt me in seconds, and He would do the same with black belt bjj, judo, sambo. He submitted Brock lessnar (if it means anything ) plenty of time s when brock came to tucson to train under Steve Owens..
franciscoreatas11 1 month ago
@franciscoreatas11 BS
Blackouttsi2 1 month ago
@Blackouttsi2 If you think is B.S. you can verify it for yourself..You may come to Rincon High school gym on Tuesday, Thursdays 6-8, and saturday's 10-12. This is where you will find Steve Owens, who happens to have trained Don Frye and and Rainy Martinez. I will be there and we can randori a bit..
franciscoreatas11 1 month ago
Getting sick of hearing gracie this, and gracie that.....I want to know how much they really changed traditional jiu jitsu. They seem to be given an awful lot of credit just for making a Japanese martial art mainstream and sticking the word Brazilian in front of it.
timbuctoo88 2 months ago
@timbuctoo88 they made it less like the Japanese Jiu jitsu in that they got rid of a lot of flashy moves in JJJ (not saying BJJ is without flashy moves) but they kinda got rid of the moves that will only work in movies or got rid of moves that are no longer applicable to todays time, for instance the gi collar choke and put in certain moves to make sure they break an oppenent's limb or choke them out like triangle chokes or revised versions of leg locks etc. If I am wrong, BJJ guys correct me
inuninga 2 days ago
Bah! They are a bunch of milkdrinkers...
LegendarySayayin 2 months ago
was this recorded with a potato?
goco789489 2 months ago
@goco789489 worse it was recorded with a pumkin squash the ones you arent supposed to eat haha
codydorman420 2 months ago
the sport translates well to real life fights..
jiminycricket69 2 months ago
on the street bjj isnt effective one on one in a ring its very very good but on the street you've got things like concrete, clothing like jeans belts and shirts can be a huge problem, not to mention the fact the person might have a weapon or even buddys around
kmtatyou 2 months ago
@kmtatyou what are you talking about?? in a street fight once you clench all you need is a throw or a takedown to take it to the floor for whatever limb you want to attack. and the clothing helps you get a better grip. you obviusly dont know anything of bjj bro
jiminycricket69 2 months ago
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@jiminycricket69 and if your wearing tight jeans a large belt buckle?? and if its two on one bjj is useless standard boxing can be used very effectively against more than one opponent.
kmtatyou 2 months ago
@jiminycricket69 throws and takedowns and clinch is muay thai, judo, and wreslting-not Bjj. judo works farily well on the streets, as can striking and takedowns. just rolling around isnt a good idea.
ikcjjtt 1 month ago
@ikcjjtt i bet u all the money in your abnk account that if i take you down ill have broken your forearm or ankle before you realize what im doing
jiminycricket69 1 month ago
@jiminycricket69 on a street confratation, good luck getting by my firearm (revolver), 3 knifes (kali training), muay thai, TKD, karate, JKD striking training, and my BJJ, JJ, catch wreslting grappling training. (yrs of experience in all of them).
ikcjjtt 1 month ago
@ikcjjtt unimpressed me is unimpressed.
jiminycricket69 1 month ago
@kmtatyou clothes help when your holding onto them bout to man handle someone haha and im pretty sure you look at any fight that goes to the ground the more exp bjj persons gonna do just that unless there on their back and the other persons up but in street fight the only thing they really need to worry bout is there friends jumping in
just my 2 cents
codydorman420 2 months ago
@codydorman420 How in the world is wearing tight jeans and a big belt buckle gunna help wanna learn self defense bjjs is shit wanna learn mma then its good
kmtatyou 2 months ago
@kmtatyou ur a dumb ass hahaha i said nothing about tight jeans and large belt buckle stupid,,, i said in a street fight the person who knows bjj is going to man handle the person who isnt in bjj, if the fight goes to the ground, i did say the person with jj training will use clothing for grip as they are trained and btw whoever is dumb enough to wear tight jeans and a big belt buckle in a fight should get beat down btw yes mma plus jj is more effective then just bjj
codydorman420 2 months ago
@kmtatyou only because they are trained to throw punches not just grab and hold on like bjj fighters and ur dumb if u think its completely useless cuz look at almost every fight in the mma 95% of all fights go to the ground at one point or another if they didnt know any jiujitsu it would be like a bitch fight basicly no punches and just roll around alot until the ref stands them up ok jiujitsu isnt as effective in a street fight unless its one on one but still lets see a striker vs a jj fighter
codydorman420 2 months ago
These military guys are speaking very intelligently on this subject. More people should get this message.
poolboyinla 2 months ago
can u read? u jus keep saying the same things over and over jus because u repeat a statement dsnt make it true... kickboxing is the venue in wich karate fighters compete in full contact the first "kickboxing organization EVER was the P.K.A. Professional KARATE Association. militech spent 10 YEARS in a dojo then started fighting he was still in tarpeins school when he was 19-0 in his 20s! I KNO THESE PEOPLE ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. karate is ALOT of there training SHOREI RYU! just read it again...
LordBatey 2 months ago
bjj is nothing like classical jujutsu
teslic100 2 months ago
@teslic100 its better. especially mixed with wrestling and muy thai
jiminycricket69 2 months ago
@jiminycricket69 In my opinion, the old classical jujutsu is more effective when it comes to the battlefield arena. You are talking about a sport.
teslic100 2 months ago
Thank you China and Japan. And Brazil for putting it on the map.
OVERCAPITALIZE 2 months ago
Hey Mr Soldier boy. People dont train knife fighting to engage in it if they have a choice. They train it just incase they are in a position where they MUST defend themselves. If somebody has cornered me & is actually swinging a blade at me with intent, I will grab the blade if i have to. I would rather lose a finger than my life. I would grab the knife THEN i will perform the disarming techniques & joint locks. This is assuming I am trapped coz otherwise i would run.
realityIZanILLUSION 3 months ago
as much as I like BJJ, others have certainly "put their money where their mouth is". My favorite discipline is Karate, I like the evasive movements and all or nothing striking. however, I like the clench work of Muay Thai and Wrestling, there is really no discipline I don't like or have taken from to adapt my way of fighting
Kung Fu, Silat, Kempo, and most Karate have been victims of the Martial arts caricatures of the movies and pop culture. those disciplines are just as real as BJJ, and boxing
shoulung 3 months ago 9
@shoulung They might be as real, but when it says putting money where their mouth is, BJJ has proven dominate over pretty much every other martial art.
trickstar33 1 month ago
@trickstar33
BJJ is wonderful, but it has a limited skill set. it has good joint locks, chokes, pins and so on; but it has weakness, like poor takedowns and very little striking.
BJJ has had a hard time against wrestling, Sambo, and Judo. does that mean it will always looses to those three arts? NO its never that simple. in fact BJJ can usually win. but that has more to do with the skill and experience of the fighter.
styles don't make fighters. but good fighters make styles famous
shoulung 1 month ago
@shoulung The lack of "takedowns" is a myth. Its just that the sport side of the art requires very little takedowns because people willingly go there for a BJJ match. In the street, your not going to shoot in on a person like UFC. Its too risky and lets face it. I lived in Detroit most of my life. And you don't want to be on the ground in a back alley with rusty nails and old used drug needles....broke glass and sharp pieces of metal. Bare concrete is bad enough, you injure yourself and you lose
Blackouttsi2 1 month ago
@Blackouttsi2
I agree, but self defense doesn't require different skills, just different tactics. speed and efficiency should be the guiding tactic. BJJ can be good, as long as its fast and efficient. sport BJJ is not the best choice for self defense. however good old traditional GJJ is great.
just like sport style Kick boxing isn't very good for street fights. however realistically trained Kick boxing with a focus on street needed skills is excellent.
shoulung 1 month ago
@shoulung wow all or nothing isnt a good way to fight, because most often then not its nothing. muay thai wrestling some aspects of karate and bjj are he only tools that are practical. the movie bullshit is what makes up 90percent of kung fu.
thegreenbastard42011 1 month ago
@thegreenbastard42011
movie gung fu (probably the only thing you're familiar with) does not represent real gung fu. just like WWE is nothing like Olympic Wrestling.
Gung fu has gotten a bad name with people. but its really very good. Gung fu has excellent grappling and striking.
look up sanda if you wanna see a strong Chinese style.
I don't actually strike with all or nothing, I just like some of the principles about it.
shoulung 1 month ago
@shoulung well i just want to let you know, that gung fu or kung fu is all show, that crazy arm movements dont stand up against a person who will slam you on your head.
thegreenbastard42011 1 month ago
@thegreenbastard42011
and I just want to let you know, you're wrong. Gung fu works.
shoulung 1 month ago
@shoulung i may be wrong , but what is gung fu??? ps im sure there is very effective techniques that are used, but there pretty secret otherwise these people would fight in a vale tudo style match allowing all aspect of kung fu to be utilized.
thegreenbastard42011 1 month ago
@thegreenbastard42011
gung fu is about developing skills, not necessarily the ability to fight. Gung fu is more abstract than say, Judo or Boxing. its hard to explain how.
but being realistic, there are MANY poorly trained Gung fu fighters. but there are very good fighters in Gung fu/Kung fu/Gong fu/wushu/Quan Fa (whatever name you want to use).
here is a Chinese MMA promotion, many use Sanda (a style of Kung fu)
/watch?v=tv5eb_RZbGQ&fmt=18
also look up Cung Le
shoulung 1 month ago
@shoulung I completely agree with you, so long as someone is cross training with grappling, they can effectively utilize any striking martial art they want.
ToLazy4Name 1 month ago
may i know the price of the candle you used to record this with?
killerlad9 3 months ago
Muay thai, BJJ, Boxing,wrestling,kickboxing,krav maga,etc. is the stuff that works if you want to defend yourself. Stuff like karate,kung fu,etc. is useless
9N8X 3 months ago
@9N8X obviously doesn't practice the variety enough to know better. Most martial arts have been refined so that they cannot be labeled as any specific type. The oriental martial arts are difficult to apply because the styles have been confuttled beyond ametuer use, while conversely some others are for sport fighting and the last few are based on old styles used in war. They all complement eachother and the body is the vessel to the mind. Training mentally can enhance performance.
ModernVisage 3 months ago
@9N8X I think you have got it a bit wrong.McDojo Karate is useless,real Karate is not.I never trained Karate,im a Bjj practicioner but i have the outmost respect for Karate.Since you are mentioning kickboxing and Muay thai,try and be more open minded and realise that in many "kickboxing" competitions such as K1 Karate is quite usefull.The reason why it is so downplayed is cuz of all the movies and the fact that there are more and more McDojos.Real schools are hard to find,but worth it.
znjfl 2 months ago
@znjfl Kyokushin Kai is an extremely effective style and Shotokan sure as hell seems to be working for Lyoto Machida.:people can say what they want about him losing to Jon Jones or to Shogun but Machida is still a damn good fighter.
znjfl 2 months ago
@znjfl
Machida uses heavily modified karate that is basically muay thai and boxing with the occasional karate kick. even he says so..
9N8X 2 months ago
@9N8X The part of Karate that makes him good are not his kicks,its his movement.Not sure about you,but i have never seen a boxer or Muay thai practicioner that moves even close to what Machida does.Im not trying to say that he doesnt use Muay thai and boxing,im sure he does,he is also a BB in Bjj,but its the Karate movement that makes him stick out.
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kmtatyou 2 months ago
well ranger sounds to me like u sold out to brasil where is your patriatism?? we dnt need brasil to come teach us how to to fight and anytime u lay on ur back and rap ur legs around ur opponent ur not basing anything on reality ur the one perpetuating a fantasy. ur teaching ur soldiers how to get killed out on a real battle field in real life... butt if ud pull ur head out of the gracies ass long enough to breathe ud see matt hughes an american with no bjj training destroyed hoyce gracie...
LordBatey 3 months ago
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Kebab373 3 months ago
@LordBatey Hoyce was also a lot older then him. Perhaps you might even say that match was set up to generate hype.
migraine516 3 months ago
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@LordBatey i get it. you are trolling right?
perdedor3571 3 months ago
@LordBatey what are you talking about? Matt Hughes has a TON of bjj training.
bagnalldr09 3 months ago
@bagnalldr09 matt hughes was pat militech's student pat militech was nick tarpeins student nick tarpein was master philip keoppel's student head and founder of the unied states karate-do kai.
LordBatey 3 months ago
@LordBatey I dont know what ur trying to imply but I will say this. Matt Hughes is an All American wrestler. Hes not a striker. He definately in no way shape or form has anything to do with Karate. So who cares if he was trained by someone who was trained by someone who was trained by someone who was trained by Bruce Lee. lol Karate has nothing to do with Matt Hughes' skills, acheivement,career,wrestling or reason why he beat Royce Gracie. lol it was Wrestling & ground n pound that beat Gracie.
realityIZanILLUSION 3 months ago
@realityIZanILLUSION u seriously dnt kno who pat militech is?? that was the point he tought matt hughes, jeremy horn,tim sylvia,jans pulver martial arts (shorei ryu karate!!) in nick tarpeins school of karate in davenport iowa. where he worked for Nick Tarpein as an assitant instructor for 10 years. all of his teachers were karate teachers except for his highschool wrestling coach lol... everybody wrestled! and despite of what u think shorei ryu has a huge amount of ground fighting...
LordBatey 2 months ago
@LordBatey I know who Militech is. My point is karate had nothing to do with Matt Hughes beating Gracie. Matt used pure wrestling with ground n pound. No karate influence in Hughes at all regardles of who taught his teachers teachers teachers teacher. lol Hughes said with his own mouth "it was plain old American Wrestling"...go listen urself, he said it after the fight. Hughes has no Karate techniques in his punches or kicks. Like I said go listen to what he said in his own words.
realityIZanILLUSION 2 months ago
@realityIZanILLUSION matt hughes got his training from a karate teacher that was the point of all that if jus used wrestling then he wouldn't of punched him lol I wrestled american folkstyle and scolastics rules for 10 years he used a figure four body ride.. point is he punched and kicked him he ddnt wrestle him to death or pin him he beat him with martial he learned from his teacher...that was the point btw ur first argument implied he lots lots of bjj lol u jus contridicted urself... USA!
LordBatey 2 months ago
@LordBatey Oh so coz he punched him then it must mean Karate? dude are u serious? Hughes said with his own mouth "it was pure all American Wrestling that beat him".Hughes is a wrestler. Hes a wrestler who trains BJJ, Muay Thai & Boxing. I dont care if his trainers trainers trainers trainer was Karate.Thats just immature logic. His wrestling allowed him to control Gracie on the ground,get to a dominant position, use his BJJ to attempt a submission & use ground n pound to TKO him. No Karate at all
realityIZanILLUSION 2 months ago
@LordBatey "ur first argument implied he lots lots of bjj lol u jus contridicted urself" what are u talking about dude? When did I say anything about him & BJJ? Only time I mentioned BJJ was in my last comment. I think u getting a little too confused dude. The whole world knows Matt is a wrestler, and pretty good one too. He wrestled Gracie & used ground n pound to beat him. Go read his bio dude. Karate has NO place in his success. Also, Miletich himself said his background is wrestling. Sorry!!
realityIZanILLUSION 2 months ago
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realityIZanILLUSION 2 months ago
@LordBatey Heres Pat Miletich's creds. "His credentials include all-state in wrestling and football, blackbelts in Karate and Jiu-Jitsu, a U.S. Muay-Thai kickboxing title, undefeated in professional boxing, and a 5x Mixed Martial Arts world champion"
Thats from his website. Wrestling, JJ, Kickboxing & Karate. How the hell can u say Matt Hughes is Karate when Karate was a SMALL part of Pats training. lol sounds like Karate fans are just looking for someone to take credit for. lol
realityIZanILLUSION 2 months ago
@realityIZanILLUSION lol I dnt have to look it up on a web site I know them personally pat began his martial arts training in nick tarpeins school of karate in davenport iowa after acheiving his black belt he worked for mr. tarpein for 10 years he left tarpeins school after he lost a sparing match to mr.tarpein and things got out of hand he then inherited a large sum of money and opened his own school. u stated venues he competed in I told u where he got his training. tarpein holds many world Ts
LordBatey 2 months ago
@LordBatey Like I said, he has training in Wrestling, JJ, Kickboxing & Karate. Thats from his own official website. Im not saying he didnt do Karate, im just saying it was only about 25% of his training. His style was more JJ & Kickboxing. Also his training program for students does not consist of any Karate. Matt Hughes did NOT gain any Karate experience from Pat what so ever. Again, go to his website for a list of his training program mix. NO KARATE! Matt Hughes Karate???? hahahahahahahaha.
realityIZanILLUSION 2 months ago
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@LordBatey The training at Miletic Fighting Systems consists of: kickboxing,jiu-jitsu,judo,wrestling,muay thai & some techniques from sambo.Theres NO Karate!!!! hahaha.This is the training that Matt Hughes & all other students will get.If my instructor had blackbelts in Karate,TKD,Judo,JJ,BJJ & trained muay thai,wrestling & kungfu.Then he trained me in MMA core training of Muay Thai,Wrestling & JJ does NOT mean im TKD or Karate etc. ur funny dude.Dont worry,Machida & GSP are Karate.
realityIZanILLUSION 2 months ago
they have a good idea of fighting but people who develop there whole life to martial arts are most likley to pick kung fu or one art that needs to be mastrd to be usfull because after 20 years of training or so they would win because of devoloping muscles and long confusing techniques
japanmaster101 3 months ago
@japanmaster101 are you 11 or something? Kung Fu = Fairy Tales. Complete useless, it's basically just gay jumps and shit. It doesnt work.
giaan2 3 months ago
@giaan2 I would say it can be useful, but you would have to be a complete master of Kunf Fu for it to work.
JammyBullet1 3 months ago
are they serious? i hope this is in the early 90's
kenseisato1989 4 months ago
@kenseisato1989 why?
syncopoly 4 months ago
@kenseisato1989
try doing what there doing in war
kenseisato1989 4 months ago
@kenseisato1989 The quote is "we don't win wars because we can beat the enemy in hand-to-hand fighting, but the things that you learn from hand-to-hand fighting and the things that it takes to be successful at it help us win wars." It's in the video
HellfireDragone 3 months ago
@HellfireDragone
i just didn't like how he said something about people training in systems that are absolutly real or something.
kenseisato1989 3 months ago
bjj is amazing!!
agente14 5 months ago
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they used a calculator do recored this
i4hnds138 5 months ago
@railroadtrash09 there is no yellow belt in BJJ you clown. Learn what you'r talking about
j090182 6 months ago
@j090182 yellow belts are equivalent to blue belts for people who are under 16 yrs old.
under 16 white, yellow orange green then moves to over 16 belts
over 16 white blue purple brown black
minyarg 5 months ago
Bruce Lee was way ahead of his time.
BandakaKush 7 months ago
Its probly not good to go to the ground when the enemy probly caries a knife, but so do you I guess. Plus I dont see them trying to punch eachother on the ground. Also theres no rules so its very unrealistic in ways.
aj755account 7 months ago
@richardshapiroII I'm with ya bro... The only thing I can think is that the "tap out" system and bjj allows combatants to train 100% against each other with few injuries. I always lean more towards wrestling and kickboxing as bjj tends to fool the fighter into thinking fighting from your back is a good idea rather than something that should be avoided... As a sport, bjj is amazing. In a life or death stuation, with 40 lbs of gear, fighting from your back is not advantagous...
railroadtrash09 8 months ago
@railroadtrash09 Most BJJ schools emphasize that gaining the top position is advantageous. Even in bjj competitions, the scoring system incentivizes the combatants to gain and hold top position. BJJ bottom game tactics focus strongly on sweeping the opponent, not just submissions from the bottom.
In a mma or bjj competition format, you see bjj people initiate from the bottom mainly because of issues of comparative advantage. "On the street", this would be rare.
valen85 8 months ago
@valen85 Ever tried sweeping someone with boots, kevlar, flak jacket, and ammo pouches adding about 40 lbs to your movements??? It would take some skill to judo toss much less set up a sweep. You take a wrestler vs a bjj guy and tell me who would end up on top. Soldiers and Marines don't simply street fight. They are in life or death situations that need to end decisively and swiftly. I train bjj and judo mostly, but with the gear, wrestling is a better base, no doubt...
railroadtrash09 8 months ago
@railroadtrash09
Who said u always gotta throw ? Trips makes thing alot easier.
OVERCAPITALIZE 7 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE You sho right... Keep on trippin...
railroadtrash09 7 months ago
@railroadtrash09
I don't if i should take that reply as a joke or on a serious note.
OVERCAPITALIZE 7 months ago