Hitchens:Religion is Infantile (talk to a wall via proxy from $2/day)

[ParadoxEternal]

Yes, did God make you in his image? Who are you, who am I? Does anything explain this other than God? Can consciousness be the finite? No. As any computer programmer knows, consciousness is not an algorithm. In other words, God did create you "in his image", but rather specifically, this means consciousness, as known in all the esoteric cores of all religions.

To claim random origin of consciousness, and the universe that is infantile, and childish. Immature, little developed thought.

[ferret630]

@ParadoxEternal whats your point?

[ParadoxEternal]

@ferret630 Lol!, whats the point. No point with that, YOU ARE JUST GOD. Everything is about us, and not nothing else.

Everything is about the creating paradox, us. How you can live without that, and believe in some randomly meaningless oscillating clod at the beginning of the universe, is beyond me. God told you the truth. To ignore it would have to be to live the saddest life ever.

[thescorpionking2020]

thats a conjob lol....

[pcgamer010]

RIP

[kjohnsen045]

What kind of idiot would kiss that filthy ass wall...

[TheHigherVoltage]

@kjohnsen045 all it takes is faith to do the most insane things with a smile.

[Enginmaster]

I wonder if you could ask them to pray fervently for the destruction of the wall. Or maybe if you could ask them to pray for everyone to turn atheist.

[idicula1979]

Religion is infinate not infintile, but the thing that is so fucked about the subject is everyone thinks they know the ultimate answer, when people need to lighten up and relize that they don' know any more then the next person. Then people will relize the infinate and awesome questions all religion posses. It is far more interesting then any starwars,startrek, or marvel comic can book ever be. I don't know maybe people just need to get high, because that is when I came up with that.

[Enginmaster]

@idicula1979 Religions have questions infinitely more puny than any science has. Only religion thinks they know all answers now. And their answers have no evidence. Religion IS childish. Nobody calls a child an idiot for believing in santa. But one should definitely call an adult an idiot for doing the same. Your god has even less evidence than santa. Funny you should mention "high" You can replace the word "god" with "drugs" in most proselytizing theist arguments, and it fits all too well.

[idicula1979]

@Enginmaster Fist of all I am not religious myself,but the question that religion posses are infinatly fascinating. The questions the religion posses are like sceince in the way that you never in the way that the ansers to qustion are never the ending point to the topic they simply yeild more questions.But I agree with you when it comes to religion nobody has any deeper insight then anybody else from the pope to the bum on the streets we all came from the same place

[Enginmaster]

@idicula1979 Their questions involve things like "how many imaginary afterlife locations are there" Science's questions include how many galaxies and solar systems with life and intelligent life might there be. Which is larger? The cosmic infinitely boring retirement home of only one species, or the infinite variety of the cosmos themselves? Other big questions religions fight over "is Muhammad's grandson more qualified than his best buddy to speak for our imaginary friend" Not big at all.

[idicula1979]

@Enginmaster Look I am just saying we are more then carbon and oxygen particles and I am saying we are more then the sum of our parts Science has it's rightful place but so does our questions, of why are we hear? and What is the purpose of life? Because sooneer or later we wil all need to anwser thar question for ourselves, If olny to calm ourselves from the outside world.

[Enginmaster]

@idicula1979 I agree, we also have Nitrogen, phosphorus, Hydrogen, Calcium, Iron, all sorts of stuff. Science is the best tool for getting the truth. Purpose is self-given. Why do you think why is even a good question? Science can answer why you're here...causally. Your parents did it. So you're here. To believe there's a higher purpose has no evidence. But believing there's INFINITE more time after this life for us individually, makes our life have almost no value by comparison.

[idicula1979]

@Enginmaster Fine I give, you are right in every way and you are perfect and rational in every way, Thumb up....Your butthole.

[Enginmaster]

@idicula1979 Very Christian of you. Hope you enjoy your *ahem* purpose you get from religion. (to be a puppet that sings song of praise ad nauseam for a trillion trillion trillion years, and still be 0% of the way to one trillionth of the time remaining through it all, singing praises of the dear leader and his son for all time.) In other words, enjoy believing you're just learning the songs for when you're in infinite North Korea of the clouds and that nothing you do here matters but that.

[idicula1979]

@Enginmaster Relax I'm just kidding, by the way I thougt I told you I'm not that religios, but I just find the notion I find in that is wahat makes us human, imperfect or not right or wrong. I'm not saying I no all the answers just like you I am trying to better myself in the way I see fit.

[Enginmaster]

@idicula1979 yup yup. But I don't think we need gods per se. What makes us human, comparative psychologists have shown, is that we apply previous solutions to unrelated problems, actually. Quite fascinating. A chimp can easily learn a skill like hunting for termites with a stick, or cracking a coconut with a stone. But when presented with a different hollow object with something different they want, they won't reach for the stone. And when another thing's in a hole, they don't use the stick.

[Enginmaster]

@idicula1979 Mind you, that does lead to religions in a roundabout way. We were used to being afraid of invisible lions and snakes as a survival strategy. And we had an old unsolved chimpy problem of being sad when people died, but this time we had a more compassionate psyche (we surmise, as ardipithecus has reduced male canine size, so we may have been less agressive, and more helpful) so we applied the invisible X rule to person we missed, and the first ancestor worship started.

[fulfilled123]

it looks like they are peeing against the war. This woman is stupid. There is no God. Show him to me and I will pray to him or her.

[fulfilled123]

How wonderful. No screaming and shouting as these eligious zealots do when trying to get their point across. Religion is disgusting. ONly Clever men say good things.

[sd62t833]

All Hail the Great Binker!!!

[jaybickford79]

Binker Bless you!

[thewizardofqz]

All praise the might Binker!

[daverigby23]

Paid to pray at the Weeping Wall? If it wasn't a religion it would be called what it is, a scam.

[ChipArgyle]

Prayer by proxy - what a tremendous scam! My hat's off to that Torontonian woman for coming up with that. When they're standing at that wall at least they're talking to something more substantial than air.

[UncleFeedle]

If I knew nothing about religion, I'd think this was some kind of comedy sketch or news parody. How is it that a species smart enough to figure out space travel and communications technologies such as the internet also finds it meaningful to make magically-fulfilled requests from a collection of old bricks? It's completely insane. Future generations will look at this and laugh at the sheer absurdity of their ancestors.

[10sodot]

@UncleFeedle

well said, sadly her kind of business will thrive in tough times.

[Oilisdeathtomany]

@UncleFeedle It is the same issue for me. How is it that parents can say, "well children, that santa claus character we told you about isn't actually true. Now that you're twelve years old, it's time you knew"? I so wish children who have been thus mislead and then re-read respond with, "'it's okay mum - I worked that out long ago. Much like that god guy you go on about. Same bullshit - different diety".

[UncleKennybobs]

@UncleFeedle Sadly the stupid are breeding out of control. The fools will remain and while they're busy talking to the clouds, the world will destroy them naturally.

[JamesCizuz]

I thought this was a joke equating god(rightfully so) to talking to a wall, but then I found out this is real.

For fucks sake.

[mikethebiped]

What a fucking racket. I always seem to think that when money and religion converge.

[thescorpionking2020]

time to earn some money,easiest way to get money

[xxxHYPNOTISTxxx]

I didn't know Jefferson said that. Did he mean that if God IS a just bing..... then based on that model of justice (which is more aptly labeled as Bronze Age Barbarism) I tremble for my country? Because that's obvious. If we hold Yahweh as the ultimate arbiter of justice, and were to strive to match his standards of fairness? then we'd be ever war-like and ignorant. Don't believe me? Not an atheist yet? Read the Bible and remove all doubt.

[InfidelPerRatio]

@xxxHYPNOTISTxxx It was in reference to slavery I believe . . . the quote is followed by "that his justice cannot sleep forever." Simply, he viewed slavery as a grave injustice. Thus, with a just God, we would most surely be punished for our unjust actions and the treatment of our fellow man.

In layman terms: payback is gonna be a bitch.

[cigarlounge1]

"Nothing fails like prayer"

[clickswitchh]

God i hate Hitchens hes such a cunt 

[epshot]

@clickswitchh why? because he makes a good argument against religion and religiosity? truth hurts.

[clickswitchh]

@epshot He claims to be Thomas Jefferson biografer, wich is so cheesy. And why does he only attack religious doctrineThe bible isnt meant to be taken litteratly, it is a comment on the human existence on a subjective and spiritual level through a series of stories to lead people towards a deeper truth through folklore.This was how it was done in those days. Yes it is fairly outdated but the essence remains.And why is he so pro Bush and neocon when theyr all a bunch of religious loons? Moneytalks

[epshot]

@clickswitchh hitchens has made his deeper feelings about religion pretty clear. he has said he would not do away with religion had he the chance to wipe it out for good. and although those books arent to be taken literally, people actually DO take them literally. that is what he fights. willful ignorance, and the spread of ignorance by these religious folks who refuse to come to terms with reality. The essence of holy scriptures is the philosophies within them that are better stated elsewhere.

[InfidelPerRatio]

@clickswitchh He wrote a short biography on Thomas Jefferson . . . which is why he claimed to be a biographer "of sorts" on him. It's simply a fact.

He's not "pro-Bush" either. He is for the Iraq War, for different reasons than most Bush-types would argue. He simply thought Saddam needed to be taken out and that fighting radical Islam is always a good thing.

And it's only your opinion that the Bible wasn't meant to be literal. Many modern Christians, and MOST past ones, would disagree.

[ciaochowbella]

The Christian Evangelical version of this scam is for the victim to send in money and the preacher then sends back a tiny square of fabric or thread or some such nonsense that has supposedly been blessed or prayed over in such a way that it will heal the sick, increase wealth or answer prayers.

I'm rather torn though. Part of me thinks it's fine to take money from fools. Another part of me thinks it's wrong to benefit from the fear and ignorance of childish minds.

[da0217]

Oh man! This totally beats my completely immoral business concept of opening a funeral parlor while hiring a hit man to wack people in the neighborhood! I have been out-done. Back to the drawing board.

[zulfitareen]

@da0217

your business concept was good too. it will make you a lot of money, but you will be better off deluding people in the name of some deity in the sky. you can always say that you represent god and nobody can prove you wrong. nobody ever has. the religion has always been best bsusiness model. you never lose money in it.

this canadian lawyer is probably making more money now than she could ever have made in law practice.

[jeanfou1]

This woman and all who perpetrate this scam should be ashamed of themselves. I am appaled and disgusted by them all.

[Draeka]

You know, man should be more like God. The son of a bitch makes great bank!

[mrodub]

Looking at these people praying to the wall has given me the idea to set up a pyramid scheme and go and sell to people outside their churches. It will be like taking candy from a baby.

[tionghoe]

That's what I love about religion. People do EXTRAORDINARY things.

[JoshwithaJ]

Hey guys, feel free to send me money, I'm going to be talking to my cat tonight and she has a direct line to God, so I'll ask some favors on your behalf...and yeah, I take Paypal.

[MeisterFalti]

It's just a bunch of bricks!

[Grmario85]

First of all it takes a complete self-righteous moronic prick to dare say that "the messiah has come, it's all gonna be ok" is an idiotic statement. First of all it doesn't say that all is gonna be ok and second, Who the hell are you you pathetic average little naive journalist psycho to call idiotic a religion of Billions throughout the planet, rich and poor, Academics and illiterates, Scientists and philosophers, Kings and farmers. Pathetic middle class psychologically complexed prick.

[shangerboy]

@Grmario85 this is satire, right?

[bonanzaguy04]

@Grmario85 umad?

[JoshwithaJ]

@Grmario85 Are you mad because he's right? And you know it? Saying "it's all going to be OK" IS an IDIOTIC statement. It's claiming something you can't possibly know. How is that not idiotic? And Christianity (and most other religions) DO say it's all going to be OK. Do you even know anything about religion? And the reason he can call idiotic a religion that is subscribed to by billions of people is because, unlike most of them, he is honest and unafraid of sharing what the evidence suggests.

[ManchuDan22]

That is just as funny as hell!!!!!!!!

"Paid to pray", can there be anything that more clearly shows the utter stupidity of religion?

[rogan71]

what a fucking con...It's so easy to make money from the stupid.

[thescorpionking2020]

when people pray its d chimpanzee part of thr brain working

[xn117]

totally fucking joke

[unholyd]

This is why I can't stand Religion. Too many scams going on. Praying to a wall to let God hear your pray??? Little words describe what I think about them so call people that take people money to make sure that God Hear their pray.....

[pgdevil]

Time to make some money...

[gobes1975]

@VesusSheist @mrshmuly1 Proselytize: convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.

[blazereef]

surely, everyone can see through this hoax? oh wait, i forgot that religious people think stupid shit like fossils are to test our faith and fingerprints are because of the wood on the cross

[3balloonedcourier]

This YOU PAY as WE pray is a hoax , surely ?

[ihatelumberjacks]

EVERYONES WRONG!!!  God is a puddle of piss on the floor of an alleyway in Kings Cross

[winnter211]

@axl170

/agree 100% ...though there is something to be said in his defense. S/he never said to impose religion on his/her children, though I'm certainly justified in believing S/he will, but only to instill a worthwhile way of living... I certainly cannot object to the statement you quoted solely on the basis that children must be guided and molded to a moderate degree.

[JiangZiyaTabooDays]

I wonder what the legal penalty is for spray painting a giant penis or taking a leak on the Western Wall. Whatever it is, it'd be worth the laugh.

[doriamedina]

"Religous hucksterism" as Hitchens would say it!

[VesusSheist]

The prayer agent thing is an embarrassment to our species. Except for the people who are profiting.

[Jackthesmilingblack]

Can you believe it? Wall-to-wall gullible rubes, already.

[1RadicalOne]

The creator of this crap is from TORONTO?!

Agh...

[PR13STG0RD0]

This news clip reminds me of the time I read tarot cards.

I couldn't live with the guilt of scamming people out of their money.

[420HashSmoker]

haha this just goes to show how laughably absurd religious people are, who in their right mind would pay another person to talk to...wait for it....a wall?

[forloveoffilm]

If we are all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?

[mrshmuly1]

you know, him arguing about atheism and writing books about how everyone needs to just drop their religions is a form of prostilitism

[VesusSheist]

@mrshmuly1 What the hell is prostilitism?

[mrshmuly1]

@VesusSheist my attempt at a word i don't really know. :) my point is, he cant attack the idea of proselytizing if he himself does it, the only difference is that he is doing the opposite way, drawing people AWAY from religion instead of towards it. plenty of people, including myself, perfectly enjoy their live as religious people. i am a chassidic jew, and i am perfectly happy with my life and plan on raising children who share my beliefs, one of which is not forcing your way of life on others

[axl170]

@mrshmuly1 "I plan on raising children who share my beliefs, one of which is not forcing your way of life on others."

Irony has just struck you on the head. Yes, you claim you won't force your way of life on other people, but apparently your children aren't exempt.

[VesusSheist]

@mrshmuly1 "i am a chassidic jew, and i am perfectly happy with my life and plan on raising children who share my beliefs, one of which is not forcing your way of life on others"

Unfortunately, a huge chunk of religious people DO want to force their way of life on others. Some are at the point where they want a theocracy in the U.S. This is absolute insanity. And if the world wasn't swarming with these people, then people like Christopher Hitchens wouldn't proselytize.

[DASW7]

@VesusSheist Chassidic Jews never proselytize. You sound like an idiot. Don't generalize about people. Also, you're bunching up all Christians with people like Fred Phelps. Quite frankly, that's bullshit. Stop the hate, generalization, and mockery. A huge chunk? Really? Please provide some info. And be specific about the type of crap they want to heap. And one final thing: Any religious friends? Why or why not? Just wondering. Peace.

[VesusSheist]

@DASW7 Are you seriously suggesting that there is a vocal segment of religious people that proselytize and wish to spread the theocracy of their particular religion? Maybe you're unaware of the groups that are trying to teach creationism in schools, put the 10 commandments in public buildings, spread Islam by the sword, etc. etc. etc. Be religious all you want, but please don't be so pathetically naive.

[khan4khan100]

fuck u alll israilyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy becoz u r all mothers fuckerssssssssssssssssssssssss­sssssssssssssssss

israily son of the americaaaaaaaaa

[PR13STG0RD0]

This scam is better than tarot cards!

[raider6504]

Could make for a really good episode of Penn and Tellers: Bullshit.

[planetdarwin]

PS2 - I often struggle with the idea of setting up a business like this to exploit believers. It would be EASY. Seriously. EASY. It would only require some acting and a hole where your conscience should be.

OR.... would it? Is it immoral to benefit from the credulity of others? That's the part I struggle with.

[planetdarwin]

PS - Hitchens is THE MAN. :)

[planetdarwin]

I agree with the premise that religion is childish, and people who invest too much in religion demonstrate childish behavior, but there's also a point to be made about children being fun to be around (sometimes) SIMPLY for their non-sequitur view of the world. Or maybe I just like that sometimes because it can be a creative zap out of rigid, analytic thinking (despite the obvious fact tht religions don't accurately represent reality).

[yamr1tec]

Where there's market for dick heads to pay for some bigger dick head to do this shit then there will always be someone to exploit all the fuckin dick heads. Humans who believe in fairies are essensialy children.

[BillKiernan]

i'll bet 50 bucks that prayer service is a for-profit business.

[babaluboo123]

As George Carlin said:

God needs money.

[sgtcrab1]

I went there every day for five years. Results? I might as well have been talking to a wall.

[mytuber81]

Stupid is as stupid does.

[kaox44]

Religious nuts at its finest....Ripping each other off in the name of their own God.

...I guess the Devil ALSO works in mysterious way.

[eals524]

Taking money from people to say a prayer at a wall? That's one of the best scam ideas I've heard of in a long time, and it depresses me people are stupid enough to fork over money for it.

[trekgeek1]

Remember the pet rock? That was the portable stone based friend. Thumbs up for your comment.

[masala505]

@eals524 Similar to the catholic scam of paying for pardons. Folks would leave great wealth to the church in order to be pardoned for sins committed during thier lives and thus ensure a place in heaven. In England for example, by the 16th century the church of England owned more than 25% of the land thanks to this clever little scheme.

[jerryhello100]

@eals524 What depresses me is that even if the prayers did anything, God would not want some guy praying becuase he was paid to. How pathetic, it's ridiculous, it's blasphemy.

[hurley1]

ugh she's from toronto too. this is sickening

[dopeskies]

Ridiculous

[faithisfiction]

No I haven't. Thanks for the recommendation.

[faithisfiction]

Yeah, I was referring to the whole lecture. ;)

[faithisfiction]

This was not a debate.

It was a lecture.

[Forkroute]

Known question to any one who studied Zionism...

It's a place for Jews to govern them self's, the rise of nations may be came late for us but it did come.

Any people have a right to unite and govern.

I also agree that the state of Israel was not the best Idea...but were pretty stuck here, and it is our home now.

Secular Zionism did not insist upon Israel, but the Israeli people did as a people, and there were Jews already in Israel before the Holocaust.

[Forkroute]

We grow up on the notion of "a land with a people for a people without a land", right or wrong (partly right).

The mainstream religious at first objected, they were waiting for the messiah.

I recommend you to read Herzl's books, they are short and simple and they show his dream which never happened which I share as an ideal.

[Forkroute]

This is so pathetic, As an Israeli song I like, it sings of Jerusalem as full of blood and lead.

What an ugly place.

[Zeromus7]

He's one of the Four Horsemen, a crusader if you will for the cause of anti-theism and atheism. Obviously, he is an author and speaker, it's his living so he will do speaking tours. He just is well documented :)

[VesusSheist]

You don't blame atheism for the actions of Mao and Stalin because atheism didn't motivate their actions. There are, however, millions of people today who seek mass murder on the basis of meaningless religious dogma.

This is why Hitchens has a problem. And his problem is with organized religion, not god. Atheists don't take issue with fictional entities.

[moshymosh2029]

I don't know why I reply to youtube posts anymore, however here goes. They are not praying to a wall. The Wall they are praying AT is the last remaining wall of the Temple. It was first destroyed by the Greeks and then the Romans, the Western Wall as it is known was a retaining wall in Temple times. Since it is the last remaining part of the Temple, it is a connection between Temple times and now.

[TurtlesandWolves]

Jews don't pray to a wall. Idiots do. There are ignoramuses in every group. When I go to the wall I don't pray to it.

[hpholland]

Too bad there aren't more like you, if what you say is true.

[journeyman66]

that is the most stupid thing I´ve heard .. paying some dude for talking to a wall

[Balefan83]

It sounds so fucking stupid doesnt it...i swear if aliens came past and saw that, theyd laugh so hard and probably move straight on....no sign of inteligent life here!

[scotttebben]

Hope for sale! It only cost 10% of your annual income. Hurry now before you die! Send you gift of payment now so you can get your ticket to heaven while supplies still last. Plus $19.95 shipping and handling.

Praise jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!

[ExoticGawdess]

If god is good, what the hell is the devil going to do to mankind.

If man is god's image, and man (bankers who financed Bolshevist Lenin and Stalin) starved the middle class until they were reduced to eating children then what is the devil capable of?

Obama will teach us. He's named his car "The Beast." He's the Freemason bankers' messiah. Masons worship biblical Solomon and David who symbolize committing mass murder for profit and power.

He wants to teach us what a devil man can do.

[nitrousoxide52]

Ahaha, "COs his teeth are rather new". Awesome.

[amigolakota1974]

well ,well ,making money from religion,thats original!!! and a ex lier,opps sorry lawyer in the game too!!!

[peachybeach]

Binker can be dangerous. especially when he tells you to go steal other people's land and claim it was "promised for you." It sickens me how some Jews and Christians are quick to attack Muslims for their violence and they forget the atrocities they caused by their imaginary Binker

[SockbatReplica]

That's why Hitchens very often and more recently so has Bill Maher now condemned the nutcases on the West Bank who believe that they can bring back the messiah by stealing other peoples land. I've often heard Hitchens say that not one dollar of American tax payers should go to supporting it. Hitchens doesn't pick sides when it comes to these faith claims that's why I love him.

[peachybeach]

I like Hitchens too, but his stance on the Iraq war disappointed me big time. the war brought the parties of god which he so despices into power so I still can't get his support for it.

[SockbatReplica]

Yes actually when it comes to Iraq I find myself on the other side of Hitchens too. Although I am little sympathetic to his argument about America had a duty to remove Saddam because they put him into power, you'd never hear an American conservative make an argument like that. I still think he is wrong though no matter how much I like him.

[mpfield1966]

The war didnt bring the party of god into power, it was the party that brought the war into existence. Hitchens does seem to contradict in his support of the war, but I think there is some consistency in his position against religious extremists. He essentially states that the Muslim extremists are a threat to humanity. The problem is the war is being pursued by Christian extremists. Imagine if all of the theist extremists were wiped off the earth? Maybe half of the US would be gone too!

[VesusSheist]

I still don't know why Hitchens supported the Iraq War. By removing Saddam, we removed one of Al Qaeda's most powerful enemies in the region. It's like we went after Islamic terrorism by clearing a path for them.

And now our army is too stretched to effectively deal with the real problem, Afghanistan.

[Zeromus7]

He's in opposition to oppression of any kind, and he knows of Saddam's history in the slaughter of his own countrymen as well as neighboring citizens. I don't think he ignores the fact that the U.S. has dirty hands as well when it comes to foreign meddling, but he stands firmly on the side of liberty, and is perhaps idealistic with the state of such liberty in the U.S. at present. Also, his friendship with Salman Rushdie as well as his anti-theism fuels his opposition to Islamic fanaticism.

[SirKanti1]

Saddam and Al Qaeda where allies dude, and he says that the USA had un finished bussnies with him

[VesusSheist]

Haha. If you think Saddam was allied with Al Qaeda you need a lesson in middle east politics.

Just because these people share a religion and live on the same continent does not mean they are allies.

[jimbrown257]

You could not be more wrong; while Saddam did talk about unfinished business with the US, Saddam and Al Qaeda, if you had to label their relationship, it would be as opponents. While they did not actively fight each other, they were about as allied as India and Pakistan.

Other than hating on the US, they had different goals and different ideologies. Neither of them would ever be allies with anyone who did not agree with them 100%. They are not exactly the "let's agree to disagree" types.

[Cefuroxx]

yes, bring it up whenever the fundies say hitchens lost to craig :)

they go apeshit

[Zdrazy]

Hitchens did lose to Craig, in my view.

[Cefuroxx]

That´s irrelevant, craig never proved the existence of god nad plus craig GOT PWNED by John Shook. Check it

[eqsmooth]

I watched Hitchens film on Mother Theresa. Wow! She did take advantage of the best and the worst people and how many lives did she save? Hitchens hasn't convinced me to be an atheist, but his arguments are humorous, witty, wise and richly researched. God is Not Great is not so much an argument that God does Not Exist but that religion indeed poisons everything and that Man did not create such a great God at all. How much of this economy could we fix if we taxed all Churches? Scientology alone?

[TheSocialMit]

Yes...

but even the Harlem Globe Trotters lose now and again... it doesn't mean the Washington Generals are a better team.

[Killer0fTheSun]

Religious people are remarkably pathetic.

[LinkKaiba]

i cant believe it .... i just cant!! its the 21st century and yet there are still millions that write letters to god, even for weight loss!! instead of praying move your lazy ass and do some exercise; do they think a supreme being will worry about one of the 7 billion humans out there wants to lose weight?? do they really believe that??. as einstein said: only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity ... seing things like this i couldnt agree more

[faithisfiction]

Prayer by proxy? Classic... Ingenius. Do you think god would like a commission? Chuckle, chuckle...

[Abaharaki]

I saw a jew praying for money.

[eqsmooth]

Hitchens never fails. You will never see him on failblogdotcom. The prayer wall huckster looks like Gina Gershon or a former pornstar. If there is a hell, she will burn in it.

[johnhart30]

Hitchens never fails? A leap of faith, is it not? He is a drunk...not much to look up to or believe in.

[bkishar]

It is not freethinkers' intention to look for people to "believe in." What's important is the arguments he makes and whether they stand the test of reason.

[eqsmooth]

Not at all. John Hart: just try to debate as he staggers home from the pub. He would destroy you even after a case of Jameson. Genius. Recognize it or hate it. You've chosen to hate it which means you lose.

[johnhart30]

Perhaps your mistaken or misinformed, but I am a non-believer of any deity.

He is a drunk and if you had any idea what that does to the brain, you will be able to tell in about 20 more years when you listen to him talk.

I share some of his views, but don't construe a valid point made by me into wanting an argument on a point by point basis? Pretty childish on your part.

[phuturexy]

a holy wall  , u gotta laugh at the stupidity of it

[brokenbrainz1]

lol originally i thouht they were all taking a piss.

[eqsmooth]

...and Muhammad Ali got his jaw broken by Ken Norton. You gotta tag for this William lane Craig debate? I never heard the audio or saw the video if any exists. Thanks for the tip. Sometimes I worship the man who is disgusted by worship. It might be painful to see Hitch and Jameson get their clocks cleaned but I'll be better for it.

[Cefuroxx]

John Shook owned William Lane Craig

[eqsmooth]

Who are those guys? Are they worth my time?

[Cefuroxx]

william lane craig is a fag ass sophist/apologist for christianity who masquerades as a philosopher, john shook is a philosopher who pwned him

[eqsmooth]

where can I hear and or watch the debate? Got any links to new Hitchens stuff? I can't get enough of him.

[Cefuroxx]

don´t have anything new on the hitch, but search "john shook william lane craig" on here and you should be able to find the debate, it´s hilarious.