The Pentagon was hit at the point farthest from the military leadership (NMCC etc),in a section mostly empty (5 of 6 normally there weren't),in the only section with full fire sprinkler coverage and the only one with walls reinforced with steel & kevlar designed to resist bomb blasts & contain debris.It was struck perfectly to contain wreckage within the building & minimize penetration.Is this all coincidence?911 doubled defense spending & allowed us to invade the Middle East.911=inside job.
Lol... amazing. Your experiment is awful, this is why the folks who are properly educated in physics simply laugh at you guys. This is why I laugh at you guys, I don't have enough room to explain why your Experiment proves nothing other than you have NO idea how to make a "scaled" experiment. I am so amazed that an adult such as yourself is so uneducated in the physics of every fucking day life. Holy shit man.. Really.. You opened up my eyes even more to the level of education you truthers have
There comes a time, when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't part, not even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop.
Goes for the warmongering dupes, the 9/11 Liars, the failed media, ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...
try making it out of bolted together components not solid pieces. Then remove several of the support columns then light the fucking thing on fire. Pretty sure the fire will weaken the plastic and cause it to collapse. You dumb fat ass
Oh wow, this guy takes very lite paper holding trays, drops one, watches it hold it in place, and then goes on to tell people that because they did not cause the others to collapse, that it could not have happened on 9/11! Way to go dumbass!
@BaldurdashWoW its a scale experiment using knows scientific principles...Richard Feynman used a simple water experiment to show how a piece of equipment on the challenger shuttle failed and caused the disaster.
every force causes an equal and opposite reaction..so the possibility of 15 floors destroying 85 floors is an impossibility.
@LandlessPeasantFuck BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! OMFG!!!!! This is the most hilarious thing that I have ever read in a very long time! Hmm, tons of steel above will not cause one floor below that to collapse, thus adding more weight to the equation, and thus not starting the chain reaction. Bravo genius!
@BaldurdashWoW yeah but when one floor impancts a lower floor it encounters resistance and the top portion crushes itself simultaniously as the bottom is crushed..in addition as the top portion encounters resistance it shoudk decelerate as it loses energy..but we dont find that, we find constant downward acceleration.
@BaldurdashWoW if anything..the video you sent proves the 911 inside job theory.
first of all...the top 4 floors only have enough energy to crush 4 floors below...so there is no pankaking...and 15 floors cannot crush any more than the same mass below)..the video cuts out before you use exactly how much damage is done..but newtons laws are consistent with the vid.
you notice deceleration as resistance in encoutered(unlike on 911 when constant downward acceleration was observed)
@BaldurdashWoW notice how as soon as resistance is encountered, the roofline slows down and deceelrates and becomes stationary very quickly....yet in the case of the wtc towers the roofline and line of destruction continues to acceelrate all the way down at a rate of 6.6m/s/s(or 2/3 the rate of a free falling object)...no deceleration is observed, indicating the internal structure is being pre-weakened by explosives.
@LandlessPeasantFuck And yet you have a picture of a dick as your profile pic. Way to go pervert! Right now I am more worried about some kid wanting to watch spongebob who comes across your channel and sees that! Reported! How mature are you?
First off, the verinage technique is a perfect example of what truthers say is impossible; a top down gravity driven collapse. Secondly, verinage also offers the best conditions for a collapse arresting; a full floor on floor impact, offering the most resistance from the vertical support columns. The WTC Towers, collapsing the way the did with an 8 and 22 degree angle, was able to to spread the impact....
@cantonear1968 the verinage demolitions differ significantly from the way you interperet it..first of all...the top portion is equal to the bottom portion so that the crush up/crush down is simultanious in accordance with Newtons laws..in other words..you cant collapse the tower 3/4 of the way up for example otehrwise yo uwont have a complete deomition/gravity driven collapse.(in the same way that you cant have 10-15 floors destroying 80 floors)
@LandlessPeasantFuck "so you are saying the angle has soemthing to do with it??..ok dude...have you got any experiemnt or test that been done to prove your theory?"
Yes. You can search for the peer reviewed papers by renowned structural engineer Zdnek Bazant titled "The WTC ccollapses: A Simple Analysis" and "What did and did not cause the Towers to collapse".
@cantonear1968 im not going to discuss this with you becase you are clearly resulting to sarcasm and insult tactics and im not going to get dragged down to your level!!!
@cantonear1968 wtc7 did not collapse completely in 2.25 seconds...freefall was observed in 100 feet of its collapse(30m)...this indicates that thermite cutter charges were placed over around 8 floors(which just happens to be the number of floors under renovation prior to 911)...these floors were taken out..freefall ensueed and the tower crushed itself(experiencing deceleration at the end of the collapse)
"freefall was observed in 100 feet of its collapse(30m)...this indicates that thermite cutter charges were placed"
I'd like to know why of all things, free-fall would indicate thermite..why not nukes? Or TNT? C4? I understand you're just parroting the prefab explanations from ae911, but still I'd like to hear it from your own mouth how thermite is connected to free-fall.
@NotableJInx2 no evidence of radiation was ever found at ground zero eliminating the possibility of nukes.
HOWEVER!..nanothermite was found...and all key signatures of nanothermite such as the iron microspheres and the molten metal/high temperatures. The iron microspheres are chemically identical to spheres produced from a thermite reaction.
its interesting because a company called Komatsu(who were tennants in the wtc), pattented a thermite cutter charge device for demolition purposes.
@NotableJInx2 you can chemically analyse the dust and there is no chemicl signatures of RDX or TNT....there is not enough noise associated with a typical tnt or rdx explosion.
Any demolition device that cuts all columns simultaniously can cause freefall..but the fact that thermite was found in the dust proves that thermite was the method used instead of RDX or any other explosive.
"but the fact that thermite was found in the dust"
Oh, is that why twoofer "scientists" like Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan refuse to submit their samples to be analysed in independent labs, even though they suggested that further tests are needed? Why didn't Nils Harrit publish his results in a REAL scientific journal?
In fact, the JREF forum is funding such an analysis right now, not that the results would matter to any twoofer though.
@NotableJInx2 scientists" like Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan refuse to submit their samples to be analysed in independent labs, even though they suggested that further tests are needed?"
science is an ongoing process..further tests are alwys needed..thats nothing depective on Jones part. And did Jones actually say he refuses to give up his samples??..where did he say that?..can you send the link please?
@NotableJInx2 and there are two typed of yournal...one there you have to pay a subscription to read..or one where the authors can pay and allow anone to view the paper for free.
Harrit chose a pay to publish journal so that more people could read the paper for free, thus allowing the information to reach more poeple.
"there is not enough noise associated with a typical tnt or rdx explosion."
Funny you say that, since the overall 9/11 "truther"consensus is that the towers were brought down by explosives, underlining their points by quote-mining first responders and depicting ejected steel beams as evidence of explosive destruction.
Good to know there is still fundamental dissent on the how's and why's among 9/11 truthers. lol.
@NotableJInx2 research a company called Komatsu..they developed and patented a device using nanothermites that could cut through steel beams...it also happenes that they were also WTC tennants.
they state that the device still creates puffs of smoke and (explosions/loud noises)..but not as loud as an RDX or TNT explosion.
do your research next time before you start attacking 911 truth and 911 truthers.,
Regarding Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan's refusal to do further tests that are needed:
h t t p : / / forums. randi. org/ showthread. php?t=214739&page=36
A scientists called Jim Millette will run new tests with dust samples from ground zero to determine if those red grey chips were "nano-thermite". Even some truthers participated in the fund-raising. You can look it up there, it's quite a long read.
@cantonear1968 yes im claiming thermite was used..and im saying the only evidence for thermite is the molten iron, the liquid eutectic, the nanothermite chips and the iron microspheres.
so no, its not just the thermite in the dust, its all the other byproducts and signatures of a thermite reaction as well.
@cantonear1968 you have iron microspheres found in the dust that were liquid..you can see molten metal pouring from the south tower and you have eyewhitnesses saying they see molten iron...you also have physical evidence of the steels thats been melted and corroded.
@LandlessPeasantFuck the iron micropheres can only come form thermite and they were collected before any cleanup eliminating the chance of contamination from cleanup. They were also found in such large quantities in the dust that they couldnt possibly come from cutting torches or thermite in the cleanup.
@LandlessPeasantFuck The original welding done on the towers is also a source of those spheres. Furthermore, Ryan Mackey has addressed other possible sources for the spheres on this page:
@eaglejoe8 actually these spheres dont chemically match the spheres created from welding.
and these samples were collected in an appartment building across from the cleaup zone in abundance throughout the dust..and by extrapolation there would be tons and tons of this stuff!!...not nearly enough to be created from the cleanup operation...please do your research next time because Dr Steven Jones covers all thes epossibilities in his lectures and papers..but I doubt you will go look.
@LandlessPeasantFuck So I should believe Stephen Jones, someone who was put on leave from BYU for circumventing the peer review process? Why don't his former peers at BYU believe his research?
@eaglejoe8 you shouldnt believe anyone....and theres actually two sides to the Steven Jones story...but i doubt you have researched it.
Most of the stories about Steven Jones are slander and lies by debunking websites(normally because they cant attack his information and evidence directly so instead use character attacks).
and Steven Jones explains the situation with his BYU colleagues better than I can..I suggest you go look it up.
@cantonear1968 first of all it looks exactly like molten iron from a thermite reaction and jet fuel/office fires were not hot enough to do this...furthermore it couldnt possibly be any other metal since molten aluminium is silver.
the iron microspheres prove that its iron and prove that it was at one point liquid, forming spheres due to surface tension.
How is microsperes chemically identical to thermite? What does that even mean? What is in these microspheres, chemically, that comes from thermite as opposed to other sources? I thought it was iron?
@LandlessPeasantFuck "chemically identical to spheres produced from a thermite reaction!"
Wonderful!
What is the "chemical" signature of the iron micropsheres that prove it is from a thermite reaction and differentiates it from all other sources?
As I said before, Landless, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. You have fooled yourself with a few words that sound "sciencey" to you, and when challenged, you crumble like an over-dry cake!
@cantonear1968 im not responding to you expect to tell you to do your own research on the chemical composition of the iron microspheres, and to tell you that im not going to respond to you anymore...I donmt have all day to debate 911.
What I am asking is for YOU to back up YOUR claims.
But as is the case with most truthers who find themselves in over their heads, you start out so cock sure regurgitating all the old truther memes, and then run as fast as you can when challenged to prove you know what you are talking about.
You mean people who have researched this properly and exposed your ignorance on this subject?
These are simple questions which you seem unable to answer with more than a "they are because they are" response. I have already illustrated your gullibility with regards to the eutectic mixture and your complete unwillingness to look into this beyond the headline off a truther website!
@cantonear1968 and you havent researched jack shit...and fyi the iron microspheres are lacking manganese and there is no evidence that jet fuela and office fires can cause that sort of erosion on steel.
Please point to a single test that NIST have done that proves this??
@cantonear1968 So now that we shut down the RKO spin machine you have to find others to feed your fighting addiction. Seriously, get some help son, and some fresh chemtrail air....
@LandlessPeasantFuck Now, you seemed perfectly willing to run your mouth when you actually thought you knew something about 9/11. Funny how you go silent when I easily show just exactly how much you do know!
@LandlessPeasantFuck I'm surprised it took as long as it did for youtube to take down your avatar picture. I guess you'll just have to find another way to compensate for your inadequacies.
@Land "I keep repeating myself and you keep asking dumbass questions over and over again."
No. You are simply repeating truther memes with little to no understanding of what you are saying. I keep asking for your proof that this was iron microspheres from thermite as opposed to fly ash, toner ink, environmental conditions, formed during construction, formed during collapses, electrical arcing.
@LandlessPeasantFuck I simply want your proof that this was molten iron as opposed to the approximately 10 other metals common to the Towers that have melting points lower than the expected temps of the debris piles.
I simply want your proof of claim.
All I am asking is that you back up your claims with evidence instead of a strong desire for it to be so.
@LandlessPeasantFuck Wait! Don't go! I haven't exposed the idiocy of the Harrit/Jones paper yet! How their "thermote chips" ignited at hundreds of degrees below actual thermite.
Or their exotherm graph didn't match the thermite graph.
Or their procedural errors like igniting it in air as opposed to an inert gas.
Or how one of their samples matched the WTC primer paint exactly!
@cantonear1968 and as for the eutectic...not every part of thye building would be thousands of degrees..(the satelite images show this)...obviously some parts will be extremely hot and some parts will be cooler.
So how did thermite from this 1 corner bring down 3 towers? And why is this effect seen only in 1 corner of 1 tower? There were plenty of openings crated by the plane impacts and subsequent explosions, and yet, this effect is not seen elsewhere. Further, the substance coming out of that corner, is pouring out, not reacting chaotically, which is how thermite reacts.
@eaglejoe8 im not saying a small pool of thermite brought down 3 towers!!
using extrapolation of the unreacted thermite found in the dust , Steven Jones estimates around 9 tons of thermite were used to bring down the buildings, placed all through the buildings.
It just happened, due to the opening in the tower, that one of the pre-weakening thermite reactions could be seen.
and thermite does create pools of flowing yellow hot metal!!..watch../watch?v=M3ZkoNF2ybg
@LandlessPeasantFuck I didn't say it couldn't create pools of molten metal. My point is, thermite has a reaction similar to a 4th of July sparkler, just on a much greater scale. It reacts very chaotically throwing showers of sparks in all directions, and that is not seen in any video in any opening. Further, please explain how someone got 9 TONS of thermite in the building AND managed to get access to perimiter columns with no detection.
@eaglejoe8 actually..people did notice...Scott Forbes, Ben Fountain...Willy Rodriguez.
but you have failed to do your research....so do it yourself if you have an interest in 911.!!
obviously they wouldnt fucking have a dump truck containing tons of thermite charges outside!!...they would do it bit by bit over many weeks and moths under the cover of elevator renovation(research the WTC renovations in allk 3 towers).
@LandlessPeasantFuck Wait, isn't Forbes the guy who claimed there was a 36 hour power down? I'm to believe this work was done in 36 hours? Again, why is no thermitic reaction seen coming from any opening? Further, please explain how the aircraft impacts had no adverse effect on either the thermite itself, or any radio controlled devices needed to set it off from a remote location?
@eaglejoe8 I doubt they did it in 36 hours as well....but consider this....if you have to move suspicious equipment at some stage in the operation or perform something that would get noticed,,, periodic (power downs) could come in useful from time to time,
But thats speculation...a real 911 investigation will get every last detail of how they carried out the 911 attacks.
@eaglejoe8 the 36 hour power down could be a last minute check to make sure everythings set to go??...like on the shuttle missions how they have tests to make sure the rockets and shuttle are ready to go ...BOOM!
it works much quicker if you dont have fucking secretarys and office people around.lol
@eaglejoe8 and also remmeber....a lot of the whitnesses to this sort of suspicious activity would have probably died on 911...luckily some did survive and reported it.
@eaglejoe8 you can believe what you want....if you dont think its thermite and choose to believe its molten aluminium, by all means go ahead and believe that...I wont loose any sleep over it.
@cantonear1968 im gonna answer your questions for another 5 minuted but I cant spend all day doing this..so get your main questions asked quickly.please.
@cantonear1968 "So it didn't collapse at free Fall Acceleration, did it?"
yes it did..because freefall is a rate of change of velocity at 9.8m/s/s...the building was speeding up at the same rate as a freefalling object for 2.25 secs indicating zero resistance...where did 30m of pure concrete, steel go??
@cantonear1968 btw..this video link I sent debunks your theory about the towers coming at an angle(remember in CD you can sometimes get slight tipping or leaning to one side or path of least resistance).
it doesnt matter what angle it comes in at..all bodies that hit a stationary solid object must experience a jolt or deceleration....yet this is not observed on 911.
Now, how did the collapse accelerate if you acknowledge that it collapsed at only 2/3's G? I mean, if explosives took out the supports, shouldn't it collapse at G? Amazing how you clowns will just keep changing your delusion as more and more reality is taken away from you!
-free fall means explosives!
-what? It didn't free fall?
-well, less than less than free fall means explosives!
@cantonear1968 free fall does indicate explosives becasue all gravity driven collapses encounter deceleration and not acceleration....freefall indicates the complete removal of all supports simultaniously..only explosives can do this
and the towers did not freefall but wtc7 did....and freefall is not required for controlled demolition.....the suspiction is teh constant downward acceleration(inconsistent with a verinage/gravity driven collapse)
@cantonear1968 you did not exaplin the constant downward acceleration.
any body that impacts another object experiences a jolt or deceelration unless the resistance is removed.
no experiement ever done has proven that its possible to accelerate into the path of most resistance and completely destroy a larger object than the falling object.
@LandlessPeasantFuck I did explain it. As per usual with most truthers, either you didn't read it or you are impervious to learning anything.
With each impact of the floors, there was a brief deceleration period of about .01 secs, and the a period of acceleration as the upper mass traveled the 3 meters of open space in between floors [is any of this sounding familiar?].
So the buildings were constantly accelerating downward except for the brief deceleration at each floor.
@cantonear1968 it accelerates at 2/3 the speed of gravity(probably jus tthe rate at which the demolitions were being set off floor by floor)...remember..controlled demolition means you can controll how the building comes down.
@LandlessPeasantFuck Now, why did the building appear to accelerate during collapse? Because you science geniuses cannot seem to understand that there was 3 meters of air in between each floor for the collapse to accelerate in. So after a very brief period of deceleration from impacting the floors, the upper mass accelerated for a 3 meter drop!
Anything else you need to know? Start bringing up Newton's 3rd law and conservation of momentum. I like those!
@cantonear1968 your argument holds no weight because in verinage demolitions there is space in between floors and yet the roofline decelerates as one impacts the one below..as one floor impacts the other there should be a noticable deceleration as the top portion of the building crushes itself simultaniously with the bottom portion.
@LandlessPeasantFuck "yet the roofline decelerates as one impacts the one below"
And as I explained to you, verinage offers the full floor, which offers the most resistance possible. The WTC impacts were spread out over space and time.
Please try to pay attention to what I write as opposed to what you'd rather argue against. And if you continue to offer this amount of stupidity, I will piss you off all I want as I'm pissed off I have to be exposed to it.
@BaldurdashWoW so I ask again..give me an example of a top down collpase(on any scale) where the top half constantly accelerates into the path of most resistance(just like on 911).
in the video you sent..the roofline decelrates as it loses energy going into crushing the structure below.
so sorry..the video you sent is not representative of the 911 collapse.
@LandlessPeasantFuck This conversation is over, as clearly you do not care about the little children on youtube! They will see the reports that have been sent in, and your youtube WILL be shutdown for indecent exposure! BYE BYE CHILD MOLESTER!
@BaldurdashWoW furthermore..in the vid you sent..only 4 floors can be seen getting destroyed before the camera swivels away....this is very decpetive...I will give you another chance...show a full vid this time so there can be no arguments of a top down collapse..(no shaky or swivelling away cameras)..constant downward acceleration ito the path of most resistance.
@LandlessPeasantFuck Again, fuck off you fucking pervert! I am not taking you serious anymore due to the fact that your profile pic has a picture of your dick, and little kids can see that, so therefor this argument is over!
@BaldurdashWoW I have that profile pic for the ladiez who like it a lot...perhaps you wouldnt be a dumbass no life debunker, sheep if you got more action from the ladiez.!!!
@LandlessPeasantFuck Dude, wtf? Your picture should not be up there like that! As baldurdash has said, some kid could see that! I could care less about what argument you two are having, but that is just wrong in my book! I have reported you as well for that picture that you have.
@LandlessPeasantFuck Changing your privacy so no one can see it is still violation of youtube policy! I am with Baldurdash, reported, and I hope you learn your lesson! Sick bastard!
@LandlessPeasantFuck 15 floors versus 85? Sorry but those 15 floors 45000 tones dynamic falling weight only had to overcome the 1300 tones static extra weight tollerance of the floor below and each floor under that in turn. Lets also realise that as it fell it picked up speed and more weight was added to the falling mass.
@Spindry96 The guy is an idiot, he wants to believe that a building that falls just cant collapse completely if the remaining floors below it are still intact. On top of that, they just don't seem to understand that the floors just were not made to fall upon each other.
@BaldurdashWoW Yes check this video out it's a demolition technique that involves pulling one wall without explosives. They mention at the end that they can use this technique on a building of any size
@Spindry96 Ah ok, that video just proved that when the integrity is lost, it will cause the floors to pancake on each other. I find it funny now that people want to argue that pancaking cant happen, yet the video proves them wrong.
In my dream, the Plaza is packed, people in every direction as far as the eye can see. All highways into Dallas are clogged with cars, and millions of people have left them, now walking to Dealy with JFK & 911 signs to be there for the Nov. 22, 50 year shakeup. The whole world watches in awe, as now, all roads into Texas are parking lots..
and then a chemtrail tanker fleet doses them with vallium and prozac....
HERP DERP I DROPPED PLASTIC SHELVES ON TOP OF EACHOTHER THAT'S TOTALLY THE SAME AS COLLAPSING A TOWER FRAME BY WEAKENING THE GIRDERS WITH HEAT YOU GUYZ.
@bbBassYo I know that sounds absurd and totally crazy, like a story for a childrens, but... I am TOTALLY SURE on this, nothing doubt, I have three years of VERY intense investigation on 9/11, if you see the debris after the towers collapses... (where is the debris?), a pancake collapse don´t cause desapear of the human bodys; see the videos of the Dimitri Khalezov, his book is banned on Amazon, and is imposible to get, I have several pages of his book in PDF.
Again, swiss reinsurers has the most to gain by exposing fraud.( certainly more then any truther has) They had adjusters on site right away. The law suit u referenced was not a fight to pay out, it was the details of the terrorist attack. They didnt fight that terrorists caused the collapse, they fought on whether it was 1 "even"t or 2. And silverstein lost the suit
Here is the bottomline Lib. For u to be correct, The FDNY, NYPD, PAPD, City engineers, City Steel workers, demolition teams, Major insurance companies, NEADS, American aairlines, united air lines, coroners office in 3 locations, FEMA, NIST, All the engineering firms that constructed the NCSTAR documents, etc would all have to be in on it.
@TheLiberator25 Thats specualtion on ur part. U cant argue what u cant prove.
And a guy like George Soros or Larry FLynt are billionaires who hate conservatives. If i was brazen enough to be a conspirator, im ust as likely to sell to the highest bidder. Soros and Flynt would fall over themselves with such evidence. Flynt offers big bucks all the time for info that would embarrass conservatives
Apples and oranges dopey. Was that bldg hit by a jet. No If u want to compare to 7, u really should follow all the observations of the FDNY chiefs i provided to u yesterday. Whether u ike it or not, the observtions of the FDNY indicate a bldg that was going to collapse. It wasnt static, it ws creaking from the inside, it was developing a bulge in one corner.
I want all u pretend engineers to tell me how u can compare two seperate bldg constructs to support a similar outcome
@TheLiberator25 Did that building have a 767 slam into it? Did it have concrete in the structure? Did it have the same tube in a tube design as all 3 towers? Did it have the fireproofing blown off?
And once again, it steel buildings can't fall from fires, why fireproof them?
@eaglejoe8 your statement about fireproofing. Sorry, but it's just a ignorant comment. You obviously have no clue. You are NOT asking the proper questions. There are FACTS that disprove the govt's story. So, in reality , the govt's story is the conspiracy, and the FACTS lead in another direction. And facts aren't negotiable. If a 757 hit the pentagon, show me proof. that's all I'm asking. NO proof has been give to you or me. Don't be a fool. David Griffin is trhe man. look him up.
@TAZ4169 Griffin is an idiot, just like all the other truthers out there. Facts that FL77 hit the Pentagon are plenty. Eyewitnesses, fusalage pieces with the AA color scheme. Wheel and landing gear that match 757 parts, Engine parts that match the RB211-535 equiped on FL77. AFIP ID'ing all passengers (and most of the Pentagon employees, as well as all FL93 passengers), except the baby. And of course, not one single piece of evidence to the contrary available.
@TAZ4169 Also, American Airlines confirming their planes were used in the attacks. Further, what was your problem with my fireproofing comment exactly? And what are the FACTS that disprove the gov't story?
@eaglejoe8 Your comments speak for themselves. And I won't hold my breath when I ask you to go ahead and show me this list of engine parts that match the plane. And do you have a good reason American Airlines still says this plane and the one in shanksville is still in operation ? I won't hold my breath for those answers either. Your a fucking traitor. You don't even possess the intelligence to understand what I am typing, Griffin is an idiot is all you can come up with. CIA spook R Ya ?
@TAZ4169 Griffin thinks there was an anti missle defense at the Pentagon. Yes, he's an idiot. He's just like Dylan Avery. A kook out looking to make a buck selling his conspriacy shit.
None of the planes are in operation you moron. The N numbers are or were simply kept available to use at a later time. The Shanksville plane was a United BTW. It helps to get the simple facts right.
@eaglejoe8 you are a TRAITOR to our country. guys that are looking for ANSWERS are IDIOTS, and people who want to destroy the truth are, what, intelligent ? brainwashed ? You obviously know nothing about US History. Nothing. YOU, are the idiot. Just replying to you lowers my intelligence. You are an enemy of the state. And YOUR lack of facts also indicate that you are diluted and probably work for the government. When the truth comes out, you'll be on the wrong side of history. cunt bag.
@TAZ4169 The hyperbole is comical, really it is. People trying to state conspiracy theories as facts are not "looking for answers". They're trying to present them. Problem is they have nothing, zip, zilch to back it up.
As for you thinking you have this great intelligence, it would behoove you to use proper words. I'm "diluted"? Maybe you think I'm "deluded". If you're going to insult someone based on a perceived lack of intelligence, it might be helpful to display some yourself.
@TAZ4169 And as for this "truth coming out" you like to speak of, shall we be expecting this anytime soon? It's only been 10 years and the "truth movement" has succeeded in accomplishing absolutely nothing. No one implicated, or convicted. No new investigation. Nothing to show for all that hard work, other than some DVDs, T-shirts, and books sold. Keep working on it though. I admire your spunk!
@eaglejoe8 I meant diluted, fuckhole. thanks, but there is no way you can even be serious about comparing your meaningless drivel to something scientific and factual that I would present to you. You're just too fucking stupid to accept it. You are a TRAITOR. Understand that ? You HATE America. You are wrong about a new investigation.Boy are you fucking wrong. It's here,and a new Documentary will be released 9 11 12. come back then, and I'll put my spunk on that ugly face of yours. TRAITOR
@TAZ4169 You mean diluted? Apperantly you can't grasp the language. And considering you support Muslim terrorists, you're the obvious traitor. I love my country. Hate the politicians, love the country. As for 9-11-12, I am waiting in anticipation. Just one question, will this be directed by Dylan Avery? He had some issues with errors in his first 4 movies. Hopefully the next is more "fact filled". Keep up the good work sport! I'm sure your teachers are proud of you.
@eaglejoe8 yeah, and learn to F7 your ass or spell check fuckhole. I'm sure your teachers are all drinking budweiser. And you are DELUSIONAL if you think you love the country with your hate filled words. We'll see who's on the right side of history, and I can bet you and isn't you sport. Better get in shape fat ass. You can't even make it up the hill.
@TAZ4169 So your a hypocrite on top of it all. You talk about my "hate filled words" and you've called me a cuntbag, a traitor, and assumed I'm fat.
I'll give you props for at least spelling "delusional" correctly, even if you have no idea what it means.
Been 10 years Chief. Your movement has produced nothing other than DVDs, t-shirts, and books. But at least I've got promise of a documentary! This should be sweet! I hope there will be factual references in it this time.
I heard explosions too. Cars, generators, transformers, batteries, anything that could blow up was blowing up if it caught fire. It happens frequently in large structural fires. Explosions are not bombs or cutter charges. U pretended to read the Shapiro article, the bldg fell almost silently. NO CHARGES dopey. All explosions heard were way in advance of the collapse. Just ask the FDNY.
They must be neo cons too. Along with the NYPD, PAPD, steel workers, demolition teams that cleaned it up.
@Shamrock3939 I know a NYPD officer that lived in my complex; that was at location and with all the panicking and noise he was able to hear simultaneous explosions coming from all 3 buildings. Some heard it and some didn't. Do you think the ones that heard it will risk their jobs? NO. Of course they are going to deny hearing anything.
@TheLiberator25 how would he be risking his job. Plenty of people heard explosions. Its an observation. I assume ur friend knew a lot of people who perished, as I did. Why woud he be silent knowing his colleageus were murdered by their own govt? Does that make sense. No My lai type of situation with literally thousands who would have evidence of CD, No 'Deepthroat" ?
@Shamrock3939 He knew that he would have been attacked by his superiors and eventually fired if he actually said that 9/11 was planned in order get public support to invade Iraq.
@TheLiberator25 so u r saying the NYPD is complicit. And this cop u know shared this with u? That would be risking his job too. Again, u r now compltely ising speculation to support ur theory. If this were a court, u wouldnt get past the "hearsay" objection
man i know a lot of NYPD, FDNY, PAPD. ur is the only guy ive ever heard say he was afraid. Not a very good cop
The Pentagon was hit at the point farthest from the military leadership (NMCC etc),in a section mostly empty (5 of 6 normally there weren't),in the only section with full fire sprinkler coverage and the only one with walls reinforced with steel & kevlar designed to resist bomb blasts & contain debris.It was struck perfectly to contain wreckage within the building & minimize penetration.Is this all coincidence?911 doubled defense spending & allowed us to invade the Middle East.911=inside job.
waitew 1 hour ago
FAIL
bhizzle1500 4 hours ago
lololol yea the WTC was designed after plastic paper trays
SonsOfLiberty65 8 hours ago
Lol... amazing. Your experiment is awful, this is why the folks who are properly educated in physics simply laugh at you guys. This is why I laugh at you guys, I don't have enough room to explain why your Experiment proves nothing other than you have NO idea how to make a "scaled" experiment. I am so amazed that an adult such as yourself is so uneducated in the physics of every fucking day life. Holy shit man.. Really.. You opened up my eyes even more to the level of education you truthers have
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There comes a time, when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't part, not even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop.
Goes for the warmongering dupes, the 9/11 Liars, the failed media, ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...ect...
Disdain4Lies 2 days ago
wouahou... Is that an expert? Should we compare plastic element with a 400m tower? Please call immediatly MIT for tell them that!
nrevil 3 days ago
ahahaha paper trays are supposed to represent WTC
try making it out of bolted together components not solid pieces. Then remove several of the support columns then light the fucking thing on fire. Pretty sure the fire will weaken the plastic and cause it to collapse. You dumb fat ass
12weasel100 3 days ago
fly a plane into the white house see if it collapses....
oh no the patriot acts oh no!
kill28illuminati 4 days ago
this guys been smoking the crack again
blobby433 4 days ago
Oh wow, this guy takes very lite paper holding trays, drops one, watches it hold it in place, and then goes on to tell people that because they did not cause the others to collapse, that it could not have happened on 9/11! Way to go dumbass!
BaldurdashWoW 5 days ago
@BaldurdashWoW its a scale experiment using knows scientific principles...Richard Feynman used a simple water experiment to show how a piece of equipment on the challenger shuttle failed and caused the disaster.
every force causes an equal and opposite reaction..so the possibility of 15 floors destroying 85 floors is an impossibility.
you sir are the dumbass.
LandlessPeasantFuck 4 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! OMFG!!!!! This is the most hilarious thing that I have ever read in a very long time! Hmm, tons of steel above will not cause one floor below that to collapse, thus adding more weight to the equation, and thus not starting the chain reaction. Bravo genius!
BaldurdashWoW 4 days ago
@BaldurdashWoW yeah but when one floor impancts a lower floor it encounters resistance and the top portion crushes itself simultaniously as the bottom is crushed..in addition as the top portion encounters resistance it shoudk decelerate as it loses energy..but we dont find that, we find constant downward acceleration.
/watch?v=ww8hBFNY8jk&feature=plcp&context=C381e0a6UDOEgsToPDskJj9kZbH82rcI6g3IB2R-hy
LandlessPeasantFuck 4 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck watch?v=prwvj-npt5s And you loss there buddy!
BaldurdashWoW 3 days ago
@BaldurdashWoW if anything..the video you sent proves the 911 inside job theory.
first of all...the top 4 floors only have enough energy to crush 4 floors below...so there is no pankaking...and 15 floors cannot crush any more than the same mass below)..the video cuts out before you use exactly how much damage is done..but newtons laws are consistent with the vid.
you notice deceleration as resistance in encoutered(unlike on 911 when constant downward acceleration was observed)
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Wow, you want me to believe anything that you say, yet your picture is of your dick.... -_- Get a life you pervert!
BaldurdashWoW 3 days ago
@BaldurdashWoW notice how as soon as resistance is encountered, the roofline slows down and deceelrates and becomes stationary very quickly....yet in the case of the wtc towers the roofline and line of destruction continues to acceelrate all the way down at a rate of 6.6m/s/s(or 2/3 the rate of a free falling object)...no deceleration is observed, indicating the internal structure is being pre-weakened by explosives.
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck And yet you have a picture of a dick as your profile pic. Way to go pervert! Right now I am more worried about some kid wanting to watch spongebob who comes across your channel and sees that! Reported! How mature are you?
BaldurdashWoW 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Wow! Someone learned some "sciencey" words!
First off, the verinage technique is a perfect example of what truthers say is impossible; a top down gravity driven collapse. Secondly, verinage also offers the best conditions for a collapse arresting; a full floor on floor impact, offering the most resistance from the vertical support columns. The WTC Towers, collapsing the way the did with an 8 and 22 degree angle, was able to to spread the impact....
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 "Wow! Someone learned some "sciencey" words!"
dont try and piss me off you sarcastic bastard..
im trying to discuss the facts here.
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 the verinage demolitions differ significantly from the way you interperet it..first of all...the top portion is equal to the bottom portion so that the crush up/crush down is simultanious in accordance with Newtons laws..in other words..you cant collapse the tower 3/4 of the way up for example otehrwise yo uwont have a complete deomition/gravity driven collapse.(in the same way that you cant have 10-15 floors destroying 80 floors)
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 "The WTC Towers, collapsing the way the did with an 8 and 22 degree angle, was able to to spread the impact...."
so you are saying the angle has soemthing to do with it??..ok dude...have you got any experiemnt or test that been done to prove your theory??
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck "so you are saying the angle has soemthing to do with it??..ok dude...have you got any experiemnt or test that been done to prove your theory?"
Yes. You can search for the peer reviewed papers by renowned structural engineer Zdnek Bazant titled "The WTC ccollapses: A Simple Analysis" and "What did and did not cause the Towers to collapse".
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 please watch this as it explains everything with science, experiemnt and facts....
/watch?v=ww8hBFNY8jk
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Oh gee! A fucking youtube video! How did I know that was going to come up!
So you're going to acquiesce to the academic integrity of you tube I see!
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 im not going to discuss this with you becase you are clearly resulting to sarcasm and insult tactics and im not going to get dragged down to your level!!!
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Was it free falling or was it 2/3's G?
Which is it?
Do you really not understand the difference?
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 and fyi(you can look it up yourself and I should have to spoonfeed you)
but wtc7 fell at freefall for 2.5 seconds and the twin towers came down 2/3 the rate of gravity.
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Answer me something: did WTC 7 collapse completely in 2.25 secs[not 2.5. I shouldn't have to spoonfeed this to you]?
No?
So it didn't collapse at free Fall Acceleration, did it?
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 wtc7 did not collapse completely in 2.25 seconds...freefall was observed in 100 feet of its collapse(30m)...this indicates that thermite cutter charges were placed over around 8 floors(which just happens to be the number of floors under renovation prior to 911)...these floors were taken out..freefall ensueed and the tower crushed itself(experiencing deceleration at the end of the collapse)
LandlessPeasantFuck 2 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck
"freefall was observed in 100 feet of its collapse(30m)...this indicates that thermite cutter charges were placed"
I'd like to know why of all things, free-fall would indicate thermite..why not nukes? Or TNT? C4? I understand you're just parroting the prefab explanations from ae911, but still I'd like to hear it from your own mouth how thermite is connected to free-fall.
Mainly for the lolz.
NotableJInx2 2 days ago
@NotableJInx2 no evidence of radiation was ever found at ground zero eliminating the possibility of nukes.
HOWEVER!..nanothermite was found...and all key signatures of nanothermite such as the iron microspheres and the molten metal/high temperatures. The iron microspheres are chemically identical to spheres produced from a thermite reaction.
its interesting because a company called Komatsu(who were tennants in the wtc), pattented a thermite cutter charge device for demolition purposes.
LandlessPeasantFuck 2 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck
In other words you can't answer my question. Thank you for trying though.
NotableJInx2 2 days ago
@NotableJInx2 you can chemically analyse the dust and there is no chemicl signatures of RDX or TNT....there is not enough noise associated with a typical tnt or rdx explosion.
Any demolition device that cuts all columns simultaniously can cause freefall..but the fact that thermite was found in the dust proves that thermite was the method used instead of RDX or any other explosive.
LandlessPeasantFuck 2 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck
"but the fact that thermite was found in the dust"
Oh, is that why twoofer "scientists" like Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan refuse to submit their samples to be analysed in independent labs, even though they suggested that further tests are needed? Why didn't Nils Harrit publish his results in a REAL scientific journal?
In fact, the JREF forum is funding such an analysis right now, not that the results would matter to any twoofer though.
NotableJInx2 2 days ago
@NotableJInx2 scientists" like Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan refuse to submit their samples to be analysed in independent labs, even though they suggested that further tests are needed?"
science is an ongoing process..further tests are alwys needed..thats nothing depective on Jones part. And did Jones actually say he refuses to give up his samples??..where did he say that?..can you send the link please?
LandlessPeasantFuck 2 days ago
@NotableJInx2 and there are two typed of yournal...one there you have to pay a subscription to read..or one where the authors can pay and allow anone to view the paper for free.
Harrit chose a pay to publish journal so that more people could read the paper for free, thus allowing the information to reach more poeple.
he explains it all here../watch?v=JDu8HFn5weE
LandlessPeasantFuck 2 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck
"there is not enough noise associated with a typical tnt or rdx explosion."
Funny you say that, since the overall 9/11 "truther"consensus is that the towers were brought down by explosives, underlining their points by quote-mining first responders and depicting ejected steel beams as evidence of explosive destruction.
Good to know there is still fundamental dissent on the how's and why's among 9/11 truthers. lol.
NotableJInx2 2 days ago
@NotableJInx2 research a company called Komatsu..they developed and patented a device using nanothermites that could cut through steel beams...it also happenes that they were also WTC tennants.
they state that the device still creates puffs of smoke and (explosions/loud noises)..but not as loud as an RDX or TNT explosion.
do your research next time before you start attacking 911 truth and 911 truthers.,
LandlessPeasantFuck 2 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck
I just pointed out that the points you mentioned contradict the statements of leading 9/11 truth movement gurus who propagte explosive destruction.
The Bentham pay-per-publish paper is pure bullshit and regarded as such by scientists. Just search for "Bentham peer review" (the first result lol).
w w w . boston. com / news / health / blog / 2009 / 06 / phony_paper_tes . html
A fake paper managed to be "peer-reviewed" by these idiots.
NotableJInx2 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck
cont.
Regarding Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan's refusal to do further tests that are needed:
h t t p : / / forums. randi. org/ showthread. php?t=214739&page=36
A scientists called Jim Millette will run new tests with dust samples from ground zero to determine if those red grey chips were "nano-thermite". Even some truthers participated in the fund-raising. You can look it up there, it's quite a long read.
NotableJInx2 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Ok. So you are claiming WTC 7 was brought down with thermite, is that correct?
And your only evidence for this is thermite in the dust. Is that right?
I just want to get that established because when I take that claim away you're going to be left with nothing.
So thermite in the dust is your only evidence of a CD, is that right?
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 yes im claiming thermite was used..and im saying the only evidence for thermite is the molten iron, the liquid eutectic, the nanothermite chips and the iron microspheres.
so no, its not just the thermite in the dust, its all the other byproducts and signatures of a thermite reaction as well.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Ok good. This is a start.
What evidence do you have for moten iron?
A liquid eutectic occurs at a temperature of 1000C. Thermite burns at around 3000C. I see a problem for you.
The Chips we'll get to. I want that for the last.
Iron microspheres can come from a multitude of sources. How do you know they came from thermite?
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 you have iron microspheres found in the dust that were liquid..you can see molten metal pouring from the south tower and you have eyewhitnesses saying they see molten iron...you also have physical evidence of the steels thats been melted and corroded.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck the iron micropheres can only come form thermite and they were collected before any cleanup eliminating the chance of contamination from cleanup. They were also found in such large quantities in the dust that they couldnt possibly come from cutting torches or thermite in the cleanup.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck "the iron micropheres can only come form thermite and they were collected before any cleanup"
Ok fine. It didn't come from clean up.
There are still about a half a dozen sources I can name off the top of my head.
What evidence do you have that it was thermite that formed them?
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck The original welding done on the towers is also a source of those spheres. Furthermore, Ryan Mackey has addressed other possible sources for the spheres on this page:
debunking911.c om/jones.htm#Iron Spheres
eaglejoe8 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 actually these spheres dont chemically match the spheres created from welding.
and these samples were collected in an appartment building across from the cleaup zone in abundance throughout the dust..and by extrapolation there would be tons and tons of this stuff!!...not nearly enough to be created from the cleanup operation...please do your research next time because Dr Steven Jones covers all thes epossibilities in his lectures and papers..but I doubt you will go look.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck So I should believe Stephen Jones, someone who was put on leave from BYU for circumventing the peer review process? Why don't his former peers at BYU believe his research?
eaglejoe8 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 you shouldnt believe anyone....and theres actually two sides to the Steven Jones story...but i doubt you have researched it.
Most of the stories about Steven Jones are slander and lies by debunking websites(normally because they cant attack his information and evidence directly so instead use character attacks).
and Steven Jones explains the situation with his BYU colleagues better than I can..I suggest you go look it up.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 dude..seriously you need to stop asking me questions when you can easily go look up the information for yourself.
Im not answering any more questions from you because i simply dont have the time.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Ok. Iron micrposheres in the dust. Got that. How do you know it was from thermite?
You just said it: molten "metal". What proof do you have that was "iron".
Eyewitnesses. Ok. Anecdotal observations. What proof do you have that it was "iron"?
Yes, a eutectic mixture causing erosion. At hundreds of degrees below melting or thermite burning. That one's gone.
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 first of all it looks exactly like molten iron from a thermite reaction and jet fuel/office fires were not hot enough to do this...furthermore it couldnt possibly be any other metal since molten aluminium is silver.
the iron microspheres prove that its iron and prove that it was at one point liquid, forming spheres due to surface tension.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck "first of all it looks exactly like molten iron"
Anecdotal.
What evidence do you have it is iron as opposed to aluminum? Or lead?
Aluminum heated to 1000C appears red. How do you know it is not aluminum?
"forming spheres due to surface tension"
How do you know this came from thermite?
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 ""first of all it looks exactly like molten iron"
Anecdotal."
no, its called making an observation and matching it to what we already know.
and ive alrady told you. molten aluminium is silver in colour and where would a source of lead come from??????
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck What do you "already know"?
Are you making conclusions before evidentiary value is entered?
Aluminum appears silver at it's melting temp: 660C. When heated to 1000C, the temps inside the building, it appears reddish/yellow.
In that corner were UPS batteries for, IIRC, security vaults for a bank. These were made of lead.
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 "forming spheres due to surface tension"
How do you know this came from thermite?
because its chemically identical to spheres formed froma thermite reacrion.
I keep repeating myself and you keep asking dumbass questions over and over again.
REPEATED DENIAL...you can research this on your own but im not wasting any more time on you...goodbye sir.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck "chemically identical"
How is microsperes chemically identical to thermite? What does that even mean? What is in these microspheres, chemically, that comes from thermite as opposed to other sources? I thought it was iron?
cantonear1968 1 day ago
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@cantonear1968 "How is microsperes chemically identical to thermite? "
see..this is typical debunker nonsense/ridicule. that I find hard and very time consuming to respond to in the youtibhe character limits.
I mean, chemically identical to spheres produced from a thermite reaction!!..not to the actual thermite powder itself!!!...dumbass!!
this is the reason im not responding to you again...you can go look thsi information up for yourself.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck "chemically identical to spheres produced from a thermite reaction!"
Wonderful!
What is the "chemical" signature of the iron micropsheres that prove it is from a thermite reaction and differentiates it from all other sources?
As I said before, Landless, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. You have fooled yourself with a few words that sound "sciencey" to you, and when challenged, you crumble like an over-dry cake!
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 im not responding to you expect to tell you to do your own research on the chemical composition of the iron microspheres, and to tell you that im not going to respond to you anymore...I donmt have all day to debate 911.
goodbye
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck I think I have proven how much I have researched this.
I have gone and proven it all over you!
What I am asking is for YOU to back up YOUR claims.
But as is the case with most truthers who find themselves in over their heads, you start out so cock sure regurgitating all the old truther memes, and then run as fast as you can when challenged to prove you know what you are talking about.
Yes. Good bye! You folded quicker than most.
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 you have proven nothing!..and I have not folded...ive encountered debunkers types like you before and im not wasting my time in you.
now fuck off.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck "ive encountered debunkers types like you before"
You mean people who have researched this properly and exposed your ignorance on this subject?
These are simple questions which you seem unable to answer with more than a "they are because they are" response. I have already illustrated your gullibility with regards to the eutectic mixture and your complete unwillingness to look into this beyond the headline off a truther website!
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 and you havent researched jack shit...and fyi the iron microspheres are lacking manganese and there is no evidence that jet fuela and office fires can cause that sort of erosion on steel.
Please point to a single test that NIST have done that proves this??
LandlessPeasantFuck 18 hours ago
@cantonear1968 So now that we shut down the RKO spin machine you have to find others to feed your fighting addiction. Seriously, get some help son, and some fresh chemtrail air....
Disdain4Lies 8 hours ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Now, you seemed perfectly willing to run your mouth when you actually thought you knew something about 9/11. Funny how you go silent when I easily show just exactly how much you do know!
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 I told you im not debating you endlessly for hours.....fuck off.
LandlessPeasantFuck 18 hours ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck I'm surprised it took as long as it did for youtube to take down your avatar picture. I guess you'll just have to find another way to compensate for your inadequacies.
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@Land "I keep repeating myself and you keep asking dumbass questions over and over again."
No. You are simply repeating truther memes with little to no understanding of what you are saying. I keep asking for your proof that this was iron microspheres from thermite as opposed to fly ash, toner ink, environmental conditions, formed during construction, formed during collapses, electrical arcing.
See? Half a dozen non-conspiratorial sources.
I simply want your proof of claim.
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck I simply want your proof that this was molten iron as opposed to the approximately 10 other metals common to the Towers that have melting points lower than the expected temps of the debris piles.
I simply want your proof of claim.
All I am asking is that you back up your claims with evidence instead of a strong desire for it to be so.
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Wait! Don't go! I haven't exposed the idiocy of the Harrit/Jones paper yet! How their "thermote chips" ignited at hundreds of degrees below actual thermite.
Or their exotherm graph didn't match the thermite graph.
Or their procedural errors like igniting it in air as opposed to an inert gas.
Or how one of their samples matched the WTC primer paint exactly!
Shoot! Now he'll never know!
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 and as for the eutectic...not every part of thye building would be thousands of degrees..(the satelite images show this)...obviously some parts will be extremely hot and some parts will be cooler.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck The eutectic sample itself proves it didn't get above 1000C; the conditions elsewhere in the pile have nothing to with this.
This one is gone. You fell for it without actually checking it out.
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck "you can see molten metal pouring from the south tower "
So how did thermite from this 1 corner bring down 3 towers? And why is this effect seen only in 1 corner of 1 tower? There were plenty of openings crated by the plane impacts and subsequent explosions, and yet, this effect is not seen elsewhere. Further, the substance coming out of that corner, is pouring out, not reacting chaotically, which is how thermite reacts.
eaglejoe8 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 im not saying a small pool of thermite brought down 3 towers!!
using extrapolation of the unreacted thermite found in the dust , Steven Jones estimates around 9 tons of thermite were used to bring down the buildings, placed all through the buildings.
It just happened, due to the opening in the tower, that one of the pre-weakening thermite reactions could be seen.
and thermite does create pools of flowing yellow hot metal!!..watch../watch?v=M3ZkoNF2ybg
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck I didn't say it couldn't create pools of molten metal. My point is, thermite has a reaction similar to a 4th of July sparkler, just on a much greater scale. It reacts very chaotically throwing showers of sparks in all directions, and that is not seen in any video in any opening. Further, please explain how someone got 9 TONS of thermite in the building AND managed to get access to perimiter columns with no detection.
eaglejoe8 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 actually..people did notice...Scott Forbes, Ben Fountain...Willy Rodriguez.
but you have failed to do your research....so do it yourself if you have an interest in 911.!!
obviously they wouldnt fucking have a dump truck containing tons of thermite charges outside!!...they would do it bit by bit over many weeks and moths under the cover of elevator renovation(research the WTC renovations in allk 3 towers).
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Wait, isn't Forbes the guy who claimed there was a 36 hour power down? I'm to believe this work was done in 36 hours? Again, why is no thermitic reaction seen coming from any opening? Further, please explain how the aircraft impacts had no adverse effect on either the thermite itself, or any radio controlled devices needed to set it off from a remote location?
eaglejoe8 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 I doubt they did it in 36 hours as well....but consider this....if you have to move suspicious equipment at some stage in the operation or perform something that would get noticed,,, periodic (power downs) could come in useful from time to time,
But thats speculation...a real 911 investigation will get every last detail of how they carried out the 911 attacks.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 and I believe some of the devices would be damaged by the plane impact...im not denying that
but not all of them...remmeber the plane impact is a small portion of the building and there were explosives on every floor.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 ok dude..im done done..really done answering questions.
you can figure this stuff out on your own using your own logic, research and reason.
good luck :)
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 the 36 hour power down could be a last minute check to make sure everythings set to go??...like on the shuttle missions how they have tests to make sure the rockets and shuttle are ready to go ...BOOM!
it works much quicker if you dont have fucking secretarys and office people around.lol
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 and also remmeber....a lot of the whitnesses to this sort of suspicious activity would have probably died on 911...luckily some did survive and reported it.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 and its just my opinion...but i think the metal see drpping from the edge of the tower does appear to react chaotically.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck I disagree. It's clearly pouring out.
eaglejoe8 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 i know its pouring out.
like I said before....believe what you want..I dont care.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@eaglejoe8 you can believe what you want....if you dont think its thermite and choose to believe its molten aluminium, by all means go ahead and believe that...I wont loose any sleep over it.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 and im also claiming that all three buildings were brought down by thermite..not just wtc7.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Ok fine.
What evidence do you have that molten iron was found? And how does that prove CD?
How can you determine iron microspheres came thermite and not other sources?
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 "What evidence do you have that molten iron was found? And how does that prove CD?"
im saying its evidence and a byproduct of thermite, and therefore CD.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 perhaps you should do more research into 911 yourself because im answering your questions and you are in a repeated state of denial.
You do ask good skeptic questions but they can easly be answered if you simply watch one of Steven Jones lectures or any other good 911truth source.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck No. You;re actually not answering my questions. You're simply repeating yourself:
"The microspheres came from thermite because it was thermite that formed them".
"Molten steel was in the area because molten steel was seen".
When are you actually going to answer my questions: what proof do you have for your claims?
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 "When are you actually going to answer my questions: what proof do you have for your claims?"
I keep telling you..we have physical and photographic evidence of molten Iron..tons and tons of it...photographic and video evidence.
Its all in the dust samples.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck What physical evidence do you have of molten iron? The microspheres? We still have not established they came from thermite.
What photographic evidence do you have that proves it is molten "iron" as opposed to another metal?
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Let's not lose sight of what's going on here: these are YOUR claims. I'm merely asking you to back them up.
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 im gonna answer your questions for another 5 minuted but I cant spend all day doing this..so get your main questions asked quickly.please.
LandlessPeasantFuck 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 "So it didn't collapse at free Fall Acceleration, did it?"
yes it did..because freefall is a rate of change of velocity at 9.8m/s/s...the building was speeding up at the same rate as a freefalling object for 2.25 secs indicating zero resistance...where did 30m of pure concrete, steel go??
LandlessPeasantFuck 2 days ago
@cantonear1968 btw..this video link I sent debunks your theory about the towers coming at an angle(remember in CD you can sometimes get slight tipping or leaning to one side or path of least resistance).
it doesnt matter what angle it comes in at..all bodies that hit a stationary solid object must experience a jolt or deceleration....yet this is not observed on 911.
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck .....out over both space and time on the floors.
Now, how did the collapse accelerate if you acknowledge that it collapsed at only 2/3's G? I mean, if explosives took out the supports, shouldn't it collapse at G? Amazing how you clowns will just keep changing your delusion as more and more reality is taken away from you!
-free fall means explosives!
-what? It didn't free fall?
-well, less than less than free fall means explosives!
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 free fall does indicate explosives becasue all gravity driven collapses encounter deceleration and not acceleration....freefall indicates the complete removal of all supports simultaniously..only explosives can do this
and the towers did not freefall but wtc7 did....and freefall is not required for controlled demolition.....the suspiction is teh constant downward acceleration(inconsistent with a verinage/gravity driven collapse)
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck "the suspiction is teh constant downward acceleration"
Which I explained.
Do you not read anything?
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 you did not exaplin the constant downward acceleration.
any body that impacts another object experiences a jolt or deceelration unless the resistance is removed.
no experiement ever done has proven that its possible to accelerate into the path of most resistance and completely destroy a larger object than the falling object.
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck I did explain it. As per usual with most truthers, either you didn't read it or you are impervious to learning anything.
With each impact of the floors, there was a brief deceleration period of about .01 secs, and the a period of acceleration as the upper mass traveled the 3 meters of open space in between floors [is any of this sounding familiar?].
So the buildings were constantly accelerating downward except for the brief deceleration at each floor.
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 it accelerates at 2/3 the speed of gravity(probably jus tthe rate at which the demolitions were being set off floor by floor)...remember..controlled demolition means you can controll how the building comes down.
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Now, why did the building appear to accelerate during collapse? Because you science geniuses cannot seem to understand that there was 3 meters of air in between each floor for the collapse to accelerate in. So after a very brief period of deceleration from impacting the floors, the upper mass accelerated for a 3 meter drop!
Anything else you need to know? Start bringing up Newton's 3rd law and conservation of momentum. I like those!
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 your argument holds no weight because in verinage demolitions there is space in between floors and yet the roofline decelerates as one impacts the one below..as one floor impacts the other there should be a noticable deceleration as the top portion of the building crushes itself simultaniously with the bottom portion.
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck "yet the roofline decelerates as one impacts the one below"
And as I explained to you, verinage offers the full floor, which offers the most resistance possible. The WTC impacts were spread out over space and time.
Please try to pay attention to what I write as opposed to what you'd rather argue against. And if you continue to offer this amount of stupidity, I will piss you off all I want as I'm pissed off I have to be exposed to it.
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@BaldurdashWoW so I ask again..give me an example of a top down collpase(on any scale) where the top half constantly accelerates into the path of most resistance(just like on 911).
in the video you sent..the roofline decelrates as it loses energy going into crushing the structure below.
so sorry..the video you sent is not representative of the 911 collapse.
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck This conversation is over, as clearly you do not care about the little children on youtube! They will see the reports that have been sent in, and your youtube WILL be shutdown for indecent exposure! BYE BYE CHILD MOLESTER!
BaldurdashWoW 3 days ago
@BaldurdashWoW furthermore..in the vid you sent..only 4 floors can be seen getting destroyed before the camera swivels away....this is very decpetive...I will give you another chance...show a full vid this time so there can be no arguments of a top down collapse..(no shaky or swivelling away cameras)..constant downward acceleration ito the path of most resistance.
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Again, fuck off you fucking pervert! I am not taking you serious anymore due to the fact that your profile pic has a picture of your dick, and little kids can see that, so therefor this argument is over!
BaldurdashWoW 3 days ago
@BaldurdashWoW I have that profile pic for the ladiez who like it a lot...perhaps you wouldnt be a dumbass no life debunker, sheep if you got more action from the ladiez.!!!
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck There are porn sites for that you dumbass!
EdwardTheGray 3 days ago
@EdwardTheGray yeah but girls still like it ok!!....sorry you had to see it..I might take it down.
LandlessPeasantFuck 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Dude, wtf? Your picture should not be up there like that! As baldurdash has said, some kid could see that! I could care less about what argument you two are having, but that is just wrong in my book! I have reported you as well for that picture that you have.
EdwardTheGray 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck Changing your privacy so no one can see it is still violation of youtube policy! I am with Baldurdash, reported, and I hope you learn your lesson! Sick bastard!
EdwardTheGray 3 days ago
@LandlessPeasantFuck 15 floors versus 85? Sorry but those 15 floors 45000 tones dynamic falling weight only had to overcome the 1300 tones static extra weight tollerance of the floor below and each floor under that in turn. Lets also realise that as it fell it picked up speed and more weight was added to the falling mass.
Spindry96 4 days ago
@Spindry96 The guy is an idiot, he wants to believe that a building that falls just cant collapse completely if the remaining floors below it are still intact. On top of that, they just don't seem to understand that the floors just were not made to fall upon each other.
BaldurdashWoW 4 days ago
@BaldurdashWoW Yes check this video out it's a demolition technique that involves pulling one wall without explosives. They mention at the end that they can use this technique on a building of any size
You Tube "Top-Down building collapse 2"
Spindry96 3 days ago
@Spindry96 Ah ok, that video just proved that when the integrity is lost, it will cause the floors to pancake on each other. I find it funny now that people want to argue that pancaking cant happen, yet the video proves them wrong.
BaldurdashWoW 3 days ago
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In my dream, the Plaza is packed, people in every direction as far as the eye can see. All highways into Dallas are clogged with cars, and millions of people have left them, now walking to Dealy with JFK & 911 signs to be there for the Nov. 22, 50 year shakeup. The whole world watches in awe, as now, all roads into Texas are parking lots..
and then a chemtrail tanker fleet doses them with vallium and prozac....
they forget why they came....
and go home & watch the "nooz
MrNoblemanoflove 6 days ago
Wtf lol!
anil2 6 days ago
This experiment is terrible. Sorry, but this is just poor.
5786Dan 6 days ago
Here is a somewhat more sophisticated experiment:
watch?v=ZT4BXIpdIdo
psikeyhackr 6 days ago
lol i hope this experiment was a joke
MrLostinLine 1 week ago
lol, flying plane hits the Pentagon and leaves nothing but this neat round hole.
Come on people...
pk1225 1 week ago
HERP DERP I DROPPED PLASTIC SHELVES ON TOP OF EACHOTHER THAT'S TOTALLY THE SAME AS COLLAPSING A TOWER FRAME BY WEAKENING THE GIRDERS WITH HEAT YOU GUYZ.
MiyasmaTube 1 week ago
The most simple video and THINKING, explains the FRAUD of 9/11, and the collapse-joke.
If somebody has a doubt of the fraud: Youtube: Dimitry Khalezov, and his banned book on Amazon: The Third Truth.
And: Leslie Raphael, Serendipity.li
Inigo37 1 week ago
@Inigo37 You know i do believe the is more to the 9/11 story than mentioned in the official report but seriously.. a NUKE?!?!?!?!?!
bbBassYo 1 week ago
@bbBassYo I know that sounds absurd and totally crazy, like a story for a childrens, but... I am TOTALLY SURE on this, nothing doubt, I have three years of VERY intense investigation on 9/11, if you see the debris after the towers collapses... (where is the debris?), a pancake collapse don´t cause desapear of the human bodys; see the videos of the Dimitri Khalezov, his book is banned on Amazon, and is imposible to get, I have several pages of his book in PDF.
Inigo37 1 week ago
Again, swiss reinsurers has the most to gain by exposing fraud.( certainly more then any truther has) They had adjusters on site right away. The law suit u referenced was not a fight to pay out, it was the details of the terrorist attack. They didnt fight that terrorists caused the collapse, they fought on whether it was 1 "even"t or 2. And silverstein lost the suit
Shamrock3939 1 week ago
Here is the bottomline Lib. For u to be correct, The FDNY, NYPD, PAPD, City engineers, City Steel workers, demolition teams, Major insurance companies, NEADS, American aairlines, united air lines, coroners office in 3 locations, FEMA, NIST, All the engineering firms that constructed the NCSTAR documents, etc would all have to be in on it.
Shamrock3939 1 week ago
@Shamrock3939 There was a lot of money involved. Some organizations knew about and some didn't. That's how set ups happen.
TheLiberator25 1 week ago
@TheLiberator25 Thats specualtion on ur part. U cant argue what u cant prove.
And a guy like George Soros or Larry FLynt are billionaires who hate conservatives. If i was brazen enough to be a conspirator, im ust as likely to sell to the highest bidder. Soros and Flynt would fall over themselves with such evidence. Flynt offers big bucks all the time for info that would embarrass conservatives
Shamrock3939 1 week ago
@Shamrock3939 Wasn't this supposed attack used as the main catalyst to invade Iraq?
TheLiberator25 1 week ago
I want all you drones to look up Beijing Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire on Youtube and explain(with actual physics) how that building did not collapse.
TheLiberator25 1 week ago
Apples and oranges dopey. Was that bldg hit by a jet. No If u want to compare to 7, u really should follow all the observations of the FDNY chiefs i provided to u yesterday. Whether u ike it or not, the observtions of the FDNY indicate a bldg that was going to collapse. It wasnt static, it ws creaking from the inside, it was developing a bulge in one corner.
I want all u pretend engineers to tell me how u can compare two seperate bldg constructs to support a similar outcome
Shamrock3939 1 week ago
@Shamrock3939 Apples and Oranges?!?!?! HAHA. WTC 7 wasn't reinforced with concrete???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
TheLiberator25 1 week ago
@TheLiberator25 No lib, it wasnt
Shamrock3939 1 week ago
@TheLiberator25 as a pretend engineer, u know that concrete slabs is NOT reinforced stell
Shamrock3939 1 week ago
@Shamrock3939 "Steel", not Stell
Shamrock3939 1 week ago
@TheLiberator25 No it wasn't reinforced with concrete. None of the towers were. The only concrete was the floor slabs.
eaglejoe8 1 week ago
@Shamrock3939 Stop it please your posts are way too painful.
TheLiberator25 1 week ago
@TheLiberator25 Did that building have a 767 slam into it? Did it have concrete in the structure? Did it have the same tube in a tube design as all 3 towers? Did it have the fireproofing blown off?
And once again, it steel buildings can't fall from fires, why fireproof them?
eaglejoe8 1 week ago
@eaglejoe8 thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You are a fuckiing idiot.
TAZ4169 1 week ago
@TAZ4169 I may or may not be a fucking idiot, but at least tell me what you're reffering to.
eaglejoe8 1 week ago
@eaglejoe8 your statement about fireproofing. Sorry, but it's just a ignorant comment. You obviously have no clue. You are NOT asking the proper questions. There are FACTS that disprove the govt's story. So, in reality , the govt's story is the conspiracy, and the FACTS lead in another direction. And facts aren't negotiable. If a 757 hit the pentagon, show me proof. that's all I'm asking. NO proof has been give to you or me. Don't be a fool. David Griffin is trhe man. look him up.
TAZ4169 1 week ago
@TAZ4169 Griffin is an idiot, just like all the other truthers out there. Facts that FL77 hit the Pentagon are plenty. Eyewitnesses, fusalage pieces with the AA color scheme. Wheel and landing gear that match 757 parts, Engine parts that match the RB211-535 equiped on FL77. AFIP ID'ing all passengers (and most of the Pentagon employees, as well as all FL93 passengers), except the baby. And of course, not one single piece of evidence to the contrary available.
eaglejoe8 1 week ago
@TAZ4169 Also, American Airlines confirming their planes were used in the attacks. Further, what was your problem with my fireproofing comment exactly? And what are the FACTS that disprove the gov't story?
eaglejoe8 1 week ago
@eaglejoe8 Your comments speak for themselves. And I won't hold my breath when I ask you to go ahead and show me this list of engine parts that match the plane. And do you have a good reason American Airlines still says this plane and the one in shanksville is still in operation ? I won't hold my breath for those answers either. Your a fucking traitor. You don't even possess the intelligence to understand what I am typing, Griffin is an idiot is all you can come up with. CIA spook R Ya ?
TAZ4169 1 week ago
@TAZ4169 Griffin thinks there was an anti missle defense at the Pentagon. Yes, he's an idiot. He's just like Dylan Avery. A kook out looking to make a buck selling his conspriacy shit.
Want to see engine parts that match up?
aerospaceweb.o rg/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
None of the planes are in operation you moron. The N numbers are or were simply kept available to use at a later time. The Shanksville plane was a United BTW. It helps to get the simple facts right.
eaglejoe8 1 week ago
@eaglejoe8 you are a TRAITOR to our country. guys that are looking for ANSWERS are IDIOTS, and people who want to destroy the truth are, what, intelligent ? brainwashed ? You obviously know nothing about US History. Nothing. YOU, are the idiot. Just replying to you lowers my intelligence. You are an enemy of the state. And YOUR lack of facts also indicate that you are diluted and probably work for the government. When the truth comes out, you'll be on the wrong side of history. cunt bag.
TAZ4169 1 week ago
@TAZ4169 The hyperbole is comical, really it is. People trying to state conspiracy theories as facts are not "looking for answers". They're trying to present them. Problem is they have nothing, zip, zilch to back it up.
As for you thinking you have this great intelligence, it would behoove you to use proper words. I'm "diluted"? Maybe you think I'm "deluded". If you're going to insult someone based on a perceived lack of intelligence, it might be helpful to display some yourself.
eaglejoe8 1 week ago
@TAZ4169 And as for this "truth coming out" you like to speak of, shall we be expecting this anytime soon? It's only been 10 years and the "truth movement" has succeeded in accomplishing absolutely nothing. No one implicated, or convicted. No new investigation. Nothing to show for all that hard work, other than some DVDs, T-shirts, and books sold. Keep working on it though. I admire your spunk!
eaglejoe8 1 week ago
@eaglejoe8 I meant diluted, fuckhole. thanks, but there is no way you can even be serious about comparing your meaningless drivel to something scientific and factual that I would present to you. You're just too fucking stupid to accept it. You are a TRAITOR. Understand that ? You HATE America. You are wrong about a new investigation.Boy are you fucking wrong. It's here,and a new Documentary will be released 9 11 12. come back then, and I'll put my spunk on that ugly face of yours. TRAITOR
TAZ4169 1 week ago
@TAZ4169 You mean diluted? Apperantly you can't grasp the language. And considering you support Muslim terrorists, you're the obvious traitor. I love my country. Hate the politicians, love the country. As for 9-11-12, I am waiting in anticipation. Just one question, will this be directed by Dylan Avery? He had some issues with errors in his first 4 movies. Hopefully the next is more "fact filled". Keep up the good work sport! I'm sure your teachers are proud of you.
eaglejoe8 6 days ago
@eaglejoe8 yeah, and learn to F7 your ass or spell check fuckhole. I'm sure your teachers are all drinking budweiser. And you are DELUSIONAL if you think you love the country with your hate filled words. We'll see who's on the right side of history, and I can bet you and isn't you sport. Better get in shape fat ass. You can't even make it up the hill.
TAZ4169 6 days ago
@TAZ4169 So your a hypocrite on top of it all. You talk about my "hate filled words" and you've called me a cuntbag, a traitor, and assumed I'm fat.
I'll give you props for at least spelling "delusional" correctly, even if you have no idea what it means.
Been 10 years Chief. Your movement has produced nothing other than DVDs, t-shirts, and books. But at least I've got promise of a documentary! This should be sweet! I hope there will be factual references in it this time.
eaglejoe8 6 days ago
I heard explosions too. Cars, generators, transformers, batteries, anything that could blow up was blowing up if it caught fire. It happens frequently in large structural fires. Explosions are not bombs or cutter charges. U pretended to read the Shapiro article, the bldg fell almost silently. NO CHARGES dopey. All explosions heard were way in advance of the collapse. Just ask the FDNY.
They must be neo cons too. Along with the NYPD, PAPD, steel workers, demolition teams that cleaned it up.
Shamrock3939 1 week ago
@Shamrock3939 I know a NYPD officer that lived in my complex; that was at location and with all the panicking and noise he was able to hear simultaneous explosions coming from all 3 buildings. Some heard it and some didn't. Do you think the ones that heard it will risk their jobs? NO. Of course they are going to deny hearing anything.
TheLiberator25 1 week ago
@TheLiberator25 how would he be risking his job. Plenty of people heard explosions. Its an observation. I assume ur friend knew a lot of people who perished, as I did. Why woud he be silent knowing his colleageus were murdered by their own govt? Does that make sense. No My lai type of situation with literally thousands who would have evidence of CD, No 'Deepthroat" ?
Shamrock3939 1 week ago
@Shamrock3939 If he said what he actually believed happened. He would be risking his job.
TheLiberator25 1 week ago
@TheLiberator25 so now police are riking their jobs is they report a crime? Obviousy u believe his department are co conspirators
Shamrock3939 1 week ago
@Shamrock3939 He knew that he would have been attacked by his superiors and eventually fired if he actually said that 9/11 was planned in order get public support to invade Iraq.
TheLiberator25 1 week ago
@TheLiberator25 so u r saying the NYPD is complicit. And this cop u know shared this with u? That would be risking his job too. Again, u r now compltely ising speculation to support ur theory. If this were a court, u wouldnt get past the "hearsay" objection
man i know a lot of NYPD, FDNY, PAPD. ur is the only guy ive ever heard say he was afraid. Not a very good cop
Shamrock3939 1 week ago