Sorry, Tommy G. You might as well do charity work in California and give up on obtaining Woodmont and the millions that Father Divine left behind. I do missions work in Mexico. You might do better at that, too. FD was awesome and the reason why he married a 21 year old woman points to who his successor was to be....sigh.
Mother Divine is alive and well I was just with her for banquet at the Woodmont Estate and Father has both preserved and maintained her! She is as radiant as ever
I have followed the Peace Mission for decades and attended a banquet today. If Garcia truly followed FD, Father Divine did not believe in filing lawsuits or trying individuals in the Court of Public Opinion. Like he said, what he would do with the MILLIONS...Garcia's after the millions, like some other vultures who pretend to love Mother Divine. I've said my piece...PEACE.
@Soulblackman visit mother divines site at libertynet. to understand father divine you must understand his composition of religious philosphy. he merged pentecostalsim with new thought and emmersed it all in a bible based quasi-socialist package. he didnt fall into the traps that other movements encountered because he was deemed safe. there are elements of his movement that i myself adhere to. his entire focus was none individualistic and endeavored to make real the actualization of the kingdom.
@Soulblackman he did. it was common knowledge that he on more than one occassion visited father divine at woodmont. mother divine confirms that much and tell her impression of jones. he endeavered to imitate father divine. keep in mind father divine was the most famous socalled cult leader in american history and the first black successful religio-humanitarin movement in this country. he wasnt quite like prophet jones sweet daddy grace or elijah muhammad. he was somewhat more fairly accessible.
I do not believe it was common knowledge. From what I understand, Jones went to visit Divine's homes and that was it. He did not meet him. Is Mother Divine still alive, or a the time of Jones' life?
@Soulblackman - visit the alternative considerations of jonestown site if you're interested. It's pretty clear that Jones was strongly influenced by Father Divine. And there's mention of it there. It's no secret. If you read up on both religious movements, you can see the parallels.
I hope this man,Mr Garcia is successful in his quest.He & his wife seem rational & sane & will probably do a world of good with the assets.Good luck to him.
God,HarlemU.S.A.:by Watts(Groundbreaking summation work on Father Divine..unique in that the Author factualy decodes the mystery..just who was 'Father Divine' before he became "Father Divine"?)
As for 'helping out kids'..i'd say the record is mixed.Children were gender separated and raised communally..the only 'parent' they could recognize was 'Father"Divine.Such children were treated as 'miniature adults' from an early age & there is much antedotel tales of child sexual molestation under the circumstances.
most places like summer camps split kids up by gender also, the parent thing i would have a problem with, as for treated as mini adults, you mean like, making them do heavy labor or make choices they shouldnt make or what?as for the molestation, i hope the people who did that were arrested.
'treated like mini adults'-(emotionaly)-Father Divine & Jones saw no distinction in age,all were to suffer hardships stoicaly ,focused on 'Father's goodness'
Father Divine,Holy Husband:by Harris(An account from the late 1940's early 1950's when the Movement was in the beginnings of its long decline..this was the book that was found among Jim Jones' personel affects in Jonestown)
Why do the leaders of these spiritual movements end up in such palatial homes and have tons of real estate? They claim to have love for the poor and want to help the marginalized but they sure as heck don't want to identify with them. Jesus has a thing or two to teach these false prophets and self-serving charlatans.
from the looks of it, Father Divine did help out the poor though.feeding them, and maybe he bought up that property to turn them into homeless shelters, as for his personal home,that im not sure about.
doesnt mean father Divine was for that. i mean, many horrible people have said that they got their inspiration from good people and things that happened, and vice versa.not saying your wrong, just saying that it looks like he did alot of good, and while he may have lived in a big house, he doesnt seem as self-serving as most people who ask for money.
Father Divine promoted, in actual application of his teachings 'black genocide' -ie,no sex,no reproduction,no identity based on skin color-as a practical solution to the injustices of the world.Jim Jones(his disciple) just followed thru on it in the course of an afternoon.
um, wasnt father Divine himself black and married twice and help out kids of all races? also, wouldn't no identity based on skin color sort of stop racism?as for jones being a disciple, as i said before, bad people have gotten inspiration for their actions from good things and vice versa. may i see some of your sources?
Yet he was heterosexually married twice,to an older Black woman Penniniah(1914 or so-1943) than to a young white woman,Edna R.Ritchings(1946-1965)the current leader of his dwindling Peace Mission movement.
Now as for 'ending racism' ,i hardly think ethnocide is the key.Actual respect for & empathy with the commonality of all humans regardless of color is better than the fantasy of denying that their IS no color difference among them.
skiming through wiki i did find a few things i disagree with that he did, may find more when i read through it fully. as for the denying he was black,it sounds more like he was upset with people who made themselves a sub group instead of part of the group.like instead of saying American American, or Asian American, just go by American. but i could be wrong.
just because you dont recognize race, doesnt mean the culture has to doe out from it.while yes, respect and empathy would be the best way to go about it, in a world like today where theres black pride, white pride, ect. thats a bit hard to pull off, not recognizing race would be more of a temporary fix till society grows up enough to stop hating any differences.
im not saying be invisible, im just saying that i think he meant instead of splitting everyone up into subgroups since we are all Americans, why not just use that as out group? i will reread the quote though.
i seen that he preached sexual abstinence, but, he didnt seem to have anything wrong with his followers had kids, and back then, there was only one way to do that.he also didnt seem to have anything against his followers being married from what i seen.
Both Father Divine & Jim Jones(i equate the 2)were fanatical utopian reactionary radicals...Race problem?Deny races exist..Marrige/family problems?...dissolve all family ties and all become 'brothers & sisters' under 'Father'..Life is hard & scary?..deny the reality of it and except Father's Fantasy world/utopia as 'fact' & live in the 'bliss' ..
thats actually sounds a little like scientology.aside from the race part i mean, (hubbard was mind bogglingly racist) i will have to read a bit more about this.
i'll answer these one at a time.wouldnt that sort of put a stop to racism?i mean, if noone recognizes racial identities, then there is nothing to be racist about.
Put that another way,if their was no one who recognized 'America',then theirs nothing to be anti American about..or,if no one recognized gender differences there is nothing to be 'sexist' about...me? I prefer recognition of reality to rather then the denial of it.
Sorry, Tommy G. You might as well do charity work in California and give up on obtaining Woodmont and the millions that Father Divine left behind. I do missions work in Mexico. You might do better at that, too. FD was awesome and the reason why he married a 21 year old woman points to who his successor was to be....sigh.
Mrfamu96 1 month ago
Mother Divine is alive and well I was just with her for banquet at the Woodmont Estate and Father has both preserved and maintained her! She is as radiant as ever
hammondxc3 1 year ago
@soulblackman Mother Divine and jim jones had met before and she pretty much told him no thanks.
jessrabit429 1 year ago
@jessrabit429 - lol, yeah. That's what I've read. Who can blame her? Jim Jones wanted to waltz in and take control from her. Now that's chutzpah.
MrRedFredSaid 1 year ago
I have followed the Peace Mission for decades and attended a banquet today. If Garcia truly followed FD, Father Divine did not believe in filing lawsuits or trying individuals in the Court of Public Opinion. Like he said, what he would do with the MILLIONS...Garcia's after the millions, like some other vultures who pretend to love Mother Divine. I've said my piece...PEACE.
TheClubMantra 2 years ago
Fascinating!
There is documented proof that Jones did meet with Father Divine.
Good luck - my and my family support you.
readerandtruthseeker 2 years ago
His name was George Baker. I seriously doubt if Jim Jones met with Father Divine.
Soulblackman 2 years ago
Why do you doubt that?
yorubablk3 2 years ago
@Soulblackman I don't think there's any proof to this. Outside of that, I simply don't believe Divine would have been accessible to Jones.
Soulblackman 2 years ago
@Soulblackman visit mother divines site at libertynet. to understand father divine you must understand his composition of religious philosphy. he merged pentecostalsim with new thought and emmersed it all in a bible based quasi-socialist package. he didnt fall into the traps that other movements encountered because he was deemed safe. there are elements of his movement that i myself adhere to. his entire focus was none individualistic and endeavored to make real the actualization of the kingdom.
oldschoolsituationz 2 years ago
@Soulblackman he did. it was common knowledge that he on more than one occassion visited father divine at woodmont. mother divine confirms that much and tell her impression of jones. he endeavered to imitate father divine. keep in mind father divine was the most famous socalled cult leader in american history and the first black successful religio-humanitarin movement in this country. he wasnt quite like prophet jones sweet daddy grace or elijah muhammad. he was somewhat more fairly accessible.
oldschoolsituationz 2 years ago
I do not believe it was common knowledge. From what I understand, Jones went to visit Divine's homes and that was it. He did not meet him. Is Mother Divine still alive, or a the time of Jones' life?
Soulblackman 2 years ago
@Soulblackman - visit the alternative considerations of jonestown site if you're interested. It's pretty clear that Jones was strongly influenced by Father Divine. And there's mention of it there. It's no secret. If you read up on both religious movements, you can see the parallels.
MrRedFredSaid 1 year ago
I hope this man,Mr Garcia is successful in his quest.He & his wife seem rational & sane & will probably do a world of good with the assets.Good luck to him.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
God,HarlemU.S.A.:by Watts(Groundbreaking summation work on Father Divine..unique in that the Author factualy decodes the mystery..just who was 'Father Divine' before he became "Father Divine"?)
yorubablk3 2 years ago
The Peace Mission Movement:by Mother Divine(book about Divine ,by Father Divine's widow & current leader of the movement.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
Father Divine:by Weisbort.(the pioneering work that serves as the modern template in contemporary Divine studies.)
yorubablk3 2 years ago
God comes to America:by Burnham( the first of many revisionist accounts of Divine written after his death).
yorubablk3 2 years ago
As for 'helping out kids'..i'd say the record is mixed.Children were gender separated and raised communally..the only 'parent' they could recognize was 'Father"Divine.Such children were treated as 'miniature adults' from an early age & there is much antedotel tales of child sexual molestation under the circumstances.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
most places like summer camps split kids up by gender also, the parent thing i would have a problem with, as for treated as mini adults, you mean like, making them do heavy labor or make choices they shouldnt make or what?as for the molestation, i hope the people who did that were arrested.
laladiel 2 years ago
The entire Peace Mission movement was like that,gender divided, children AND adults(they 'saw' sex distinctions,but not racial ones,go figure)
yorubablk3 2 years ago
'treated like mini adults'-(emotionaly)-Father Divine & Jones saw no distinction in age,all were to suffer hardships stoicaly ,focused on 'Father's goodness'
yorubablk3 2 years ago
Some books on Father Divine:God In a Rolls Royce by Hoshor.(An account from the 1930's when Divine was at his peek.)
yorubablk3 2 years ago
The Incredible Messiah by Parker(An account from the 1930's when Divine was at his peek)
yorubablk3 2 years ago
Father Divine,Holy Husband:by Harris(An account from the late 1940's early 1950's when the Movement was in the beginnings of its long decline..this was the book that was found among Jim Jones' personel affects in Jonestown)
yorubablk3 2 years ago
If you like i can also leave some book titles.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
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yorubablk3 2 years ago
fatherdivineprodject
yorubablk3 2 years ago
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yorubablk3 2 years ago
good reporting:)
laladiel 2 years ago
Why do the leaders of these spiritual movements end up in such palatial homes and have tons of real estate? They claim to have love for the poor and want to help the marginalized but they sure as heck don't want to identify with them. Jesus has a thing or two to teach these false prophets and self-serving charlatans.
jademm 2 years ago
from the looks of it, Father Divine did help out the poor though.feeding them, and maybe he bought up that property to turn them into homeless shelters, as for his personal home,that im not sure about.
laladiel 2 years ago
Father Divine was the inspiration for Jim Jones & his 'Peoples temple' & the ending in Jonestown..
yorubablk3 2 years ago
doesnt mean father Divine was for that. i mean, many horrible people have said that they got their inspiration from good people and things that happened, and vice versa.not saying your wrong, just saying that it looks like he did alot of good, and while he may have lived in a big house, he doesnt seem as self-serving as most people who ask for money.
laladiel 2 years ago
Father Divine promoted, in actual application of his teachings 'black genocide' -ie,no sex,no reproduction,no identity based on skin color-as a practical solution to the injustices of the world.Jim Jones(his disciple) just followed thru on it in the course of an afternoon.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
um, wasnt father Divine himself black and married twice and help out kids of all races? also, wouldn't no identity based on skin color sort of stop racism?as for jones being a disciple, as i said before, bad people have gotten inspiration for their actions from good things and vice versa. may i see some of your sources?
laladiel 2 years ago
Thats the point!Father Divine denied being 'Black' & taught his followers to deny all & any 'racial' identities.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
He also taught that there should be no sex or sexual propagation & that his followers,men & woman should be 'married' to him.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
Yet he was heterosexually married twice,to an older Black woman Penniniah(1914 or so-1943) than to a young white woman,Edna R.Ritchings(1946-1965)the current leader of his dwindling Peace Mission movement.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
Though married,he claimed to live celibitly with both wives in turn & encouraged his married followers to do the same..live with no sex in marriage.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
Now as for 'ending racism' ,i hardly think ethnocide is the key.Actual respect for & empathy with the commonality of all humans regardless of color is better than the fantasy of denying that their IS no color difference among them.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
Ok as to sources...
yorubablk3 2 years ago
One can alawys 'Wiki' Father Divine...
yorubablk3 2 years ago
or pro Divine sites like..
yorubablk3 2 years ago
liberty..
yorubablk3 2 years ago
..net..
yorubablk3 2 years ago
dot org
yorubablk3 2 years ago
skiming through wiki i did find a few things i disagree with that he did, may find more when i read through it fully. as for the denying he was black,it sounds more like he was upset with people who made themselves a sub group instead of part of the group.like instead of saying American American, or Asian American, just go by American. but i could be wrong.
laladiel 2 years ago
just because you dont recognize race, doesnt mean the culture has to doe out from it.while yes, respect and empathy would be the best way to go about it, in a world like today where theres black pride, white pride, ect. thats a bit hard to pull off, not recognizing race would be more of a temporary fix till society grows up enough to stop hating any differences.
laladiel 2 years ago
Nope.Sorry as a Black female i don't want benign 'nonexistence'..Gays can be open,but 'Blacks' have to be invisible?No..thats racism itself.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
im not saying be invisible, im just saying that i think he meant instead of splitting everyone up into subgroups since we are all Americans, why not just use that as out group? i will reread the quote though.
laladiel 2 years ago
i seen that he preached sexual abstinence, but, he didnt seem to have anything wrong with his followers had kids, and back then, there was only one way to do that.he also didnt seem to have anything against his followers being married from what i seen.
laladiel 2 years ago
Both Father Divine & Jim Jones(i equate the 2)were fanatical utopian reactionary radicals...Race problem?Deny races exist..Marrige/family problems?...dissolve all family ties and all become 'brothers & sisters' under 'Father'..Life is hard & scary?..deny the reality of it and except Father's Fantasy world/utopia as 'fact' & live in the 'bliss' ..
yorubablk3 2 years ago
thats actually sounds a little like scientology.aside from the race part i mean, (hubbard was mind bogglingly racist) i will have to read a bit more about this.
laladiel 2 years ago
i'll answer these one at a time.wouldnt that sort of put a stop to racism?i mean, if noone recognizes racial identities, then there is nothing to be racist about.
laladiel 2 years ago
Put that another way,if their was no one who recognized 'America',then theirs nothing to be anti American about..or,if no one recognized gender differences there is nothing to be 'sexist' about...me? I prefer recognition of reality to rather then the denial of it.
yorubablk3 2 years ago
i would have to agree with you there.
laladiel 2 years ago
That's it, I'm starting my own religion.
Titania1 2 years ago
Thank you for posting these but, please, can you record at HIGHER VOLUME?
Thanks!
HazelButtercup 2 years ago
Love the videos, but the audio needs to be louder...
brianthemayan 2 years ago
Hey, well, Father Divine sure knows how to give a "no-answer" though. TR-BS.
Kurplunkachu 2 years ago
Not connected to scientology, but still very interesting stuff, thanks for posting!
AnonShawi 2 years ago 2
no sound!
analyzingfunny 2 years ago