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I started hating religion and religious people the first time I saw a comment from a creationist on a science video,I don´t want my children to encounter this in the future,absolutely not,I want them to learn about science not religion.
Like anyone would really say what was done was ok. One of the reasons they had to strongly speak out against it after the fact was because it was widely known the religious tone of the German people. One group claiming superiority over another group has been happening long before Darwin. One case in point right before Darwin published origins of species was "manifest destiny" So while you could argue, there is plenty of historic evidence to show that way of thinking was around for a long time.
"That's the mistake we made when Darwin showed up. We embraced him...all smiles...And then we discovered that Darwin and our religions didn't mix. Or at least we didn't think they did. We were fools. We tried to budge Darwin and Huxley and Freud. They wouldn't move very well. So, like idiots, we tried knocking down religion...We lost our faith and went around wondering what life was for...we were and still are a lost people."
-Ray Bradbury, /The Martian Chronicles/. Pg66-7 Random House 06/1984.
Rain, thunder and lightning used to be supernatural too. Religions (ALL RELIGIONS) came from the use of entheogenic substances of earlier civilizations. It is hallucinatory accounts of natural and planetary interpretations put into story then twisted into dogmatic texts, then beleived by people who think entheogens are somehow evil.
Without drugs, you would never have heard about Gods, and with Drugs you can see for yourself that Gods do not exist. So take two and call me in the morning..lol.
@cosmopolitanNo1, How is anything I've said even remotely "silly"? And regarding "missing the boat" I never bought a ticket in the first place. Maybe I misinterpreted what you were trying to convey? Maybe I chimed in too soon without reading the entire dialogue between you, but it didn't sound good nor accurate from where I started :)
i would like to believe there is some thing or some one greater then us, and i like it when humanity keeps searching for the big answer, who are we and where did we come from. I think we as humans will never stop searching.
All hail science ..... I am positive that we might be able to find an another inhabitable planet within 50 years..... Might be far fetched but as we know science knowledge Explodes Exponentially.....
Cosmo you need to learn not to take religion so literally they aren't meant to be read like rules off an instruction manual directly and literally, but as stories centered around moral points meant to enlighten the reader. One shouldn't necessarily have to learn about life's bad choices a posteriori.
Some people don't get that religion, although it can teach things, is just as farfetched as believing so seriously in a story like Lord of the Rings.. Religion is an easy thing to believe in for people who do not have the intelligence or the will to try to understand science. What people don't understand, they are afraid of. Religion gives those people a ridiculous, self-centered sense of security.
@lights779 All great scientist are human like everyone else. Just because they are very well accomplished in certain fields doesn't exclude them from being wrong especially when it comes to religion which is a personal choice (I could easily argue indoctrination) not a scientific endeavor or discovery. They certainly didn't have access to all the information we have today that is opening and changing minds like it continues to do like it has done with a great scientist like Steven Hawkins.
@moety2 and it wasn't them who studied God. Hawkins knows that science will always prevail in the understanding of how things work, but never will it full comprehend all of existence. Science can only probes the depths of the Plank length and reach to the edge of the observable Universe, yet there will always be an unknown extent to which we will never full understand. The Uncertainty Principal has forever imposed a impression of Gods will that can never be calculated precisely
@jnthnbush If it wasn't them who studied god they there is no relevance in bringing them up in the defense of it. You just tried to toss around great scientific minds like that would justify religion or god. Sorry, no free pass. I don't care how sophisticated and intellectual you try to say what we don't understand we call god. There is always going to be more questions then answers but I will not label the unanswerable questions or the unknown god. History clearly shows that is flawed logic
@moety2 right, hard to play the devils advocate on this one. But, I will still hold that everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs even if it is not founded on science, we still need that to make the personal relationship with science fact. This is a developing concept for me, like I said before I was raised an atheist and I agree with you more than any creationist or religious bigot. The worst thing is to discount any pursuit for knowledge because of religion.
@moety2 then again, I believe since we have a specific past since the big bang we must have a specific future. All events are from the effect of the previous one, so that means our future is defined? But the only way to fully predict the future is to know all the speed and locations of every single object in the universe, will that ever be known? I also think there is a element of human intelligence that has developed to see the patterns in this chaos and interpret a system, known as religion
@moety2 in my 28 years of life, I have perused my own truth and answers. This is what I have make up so far. Averaging out all event and normal circumstances leads to predictable outcomes. However, what if there are quantifiable ebbs in the flow of life that result in supernatural events, sometimes happening in humans. the supernatural may only be extraordinary by a small measure, but enough to pronounce a difference. Maybe this is what divinity could be. Religions is the study of this.
@jnthnbush It takes faith to understand what I mean, and I don't really get it yet. Sa la vie, maybe we will in the end. So, what I am trying to say is that religion may have been the way to understand life on a supernatural scale. Science ignores that all and only deals with the facts. But at some point we will have to re-look at what was dogma and reinterpret the mind of those people who wrote the religious books. We may find they were onto something, but needed more facts. I dunno!!!
@jnthnbush Your position is admirable, but you made a few assumptions that are unwarranted. You said "WHAT IF there are quantifiable ebbs in the flow of life that result in supernatural events" Until such a discovery is made there is no point speculating. Giving the history of what we have learned so far, considering a supernatural reason for anything we may come across is highly improbable. I am not saying to completely rule it out but there is no evidence to suggest we should consider it.
@moety2 What you mean is that there is no scientific evidence. The real question here is how 'religious/spiritual' knowledge is collected. Three things come to mind immediately: mysticism, dialectic, and dogma. Science is the observation of the physical realm. If there is a spiritual reality, science will never be able to indicate either way. So do we have to ignore the possibility? That would be foolish.
I don't understand why science is set on destroying everything but its' own discipline.
@lights779 The reason why you don't understand is because science does not set out to destroy, it seeks to prove. Your problem is because it can not support other disciplines because of it's very foundation. Also science does not ignore what is possible. If you know your history, science has made things that was once deem impossible, possible. Spiritual, religion, mysticism etc has not. You may not like that but science does not care about personal feelings. It is a tool, nothing more.
@jnthnbush Religion was never a way to understand life on a supernatural scale, it was a way to try and understand that which was not understandable at a point in time. You need to stop making leaps in understanding and take things for what they are. To say science ignores is very disingenuous. Science investigates and because they have no evidence to support preconceived notions of certain beliefs and dismisses them you claim that they ignore. I take proof over faith.
@moety2 err, I can't debate this anymore, my beliefs are not formulated enough to argue your point here. just know that I agree with you more than you know
@lights779 I used to be a mainstream atheist until I began to accept that these great figures in human history were indeed religious. People like to ignore the fact that these great thinkers were religious and scientists. It contradictory in their feeble minds, but the fact is you can't discount one persons understand about life when you hold their discoveries and inventions on a pedestal.
@eelexa once you accept that they had superior intellect yet remained religious, you can't deny that they were confirming basic religious belief in God. You don't have to accept the same dogma and set of rule imposed by the hierarchy, but we should not take for granted the evolved learning of 1000s of years of studying life and the basic guidelines that religion established.
@eelexa Religion is an ideal, such as communism. Sure, it does not necessarly prove compatible in many cases, however as most ideologies it can provide both death and life, comfort and discomfort, and to stretch things further: good and evil. It can be followed strictly or not at all. It is important not to neglect the entire phenomenon, as people can still use this ideal for good. As most ideals, it is not about right or wrong. Right and wrong are just words, what matters is what you do!
@eelexa Remember that people WANT to believe in these religious stories - that there is life after death and that your "sins" will be forgiven, that there is a mighty force out there to help you. That's why you see so many drunks who don't have the inner character strength to control themselves taking to Jesus (Bush, Hamilton)
@daveknow They only want to believe them because they are taught to fear death. If you raise kids to except death as a natural part of life and to enjoy the time you have as constructively as possible, they will have no need for those stories. If fact when they do hear them, they would consider it nonsense. How do I know that? Because I have done it with my kids and it WORKS. Indoctrination goes both ways, you can indoctrinate your kids so they know bullshit when they hear it lol
@ClumsyRoot If you are not sure then take the time to investigate. There are cultures where they do not fear death at all. They look at our cultures fear of death as being "silly". So your view of natural is subjective.
Fair enough. I obviously need to look into the matter more closely.
These cultures that don't fear death--do they believe that death really is the end, or do they in effect deny the reality of death by positing an afterlife? I'm guessing that a person who truly believes in another, better life to come is less likely to fear death.
@ClumsyRoot Now thats a good question. It varies from different cultures. It ranges from those that believe in an afterlife and how they consider an afterlife and cultures that don't believe in it or a "god" or afterlife at all and they all seem to do just fine. While cultures with versions of an afterlife is very abundant, my point is because it is something taught.
@eelexa ... I'm actually now reminded of something my pastor said in church one day. Science bases everything on evolution and the big bang, while religion bases their beliefs on a higher power that created it all. Why not both? Even if you trace everything back to the big bang where at all started from a super dense piece of space dust... you still have to think, "how did that spec of dust get there?"
Why is it no matter what science based video I go to, all I have to do is scroll down to the first few comments and there's some idiot flaming about his religion?
Well even if science is meant to be objective, it still requires that people believe in the empirical for it to have any value, when a person in general don't, which is usally someone of religious beliefs or some new age person then this is a threat to the scientific method as a concept.
Religion has some relevance, as it in many examples opposes science, and it opposes science with nothing but fantasy, which in my opinion needs to be countered.
If there were other planets like ours (atmospheric pressure, gravity, etc.) It would be too far away (millions and millions of light years away). I say we take care of this planet, and not treat it like a gumwrapper.
@AfroedNinja I under stand your treat it like it is the only thing we have, because it is true. But your ratio / distance is way off, too far, too high. There are far more reasonable type planets a lot closer within the hundreds of light year range. Stil out of reach but there.
Now aren't we glad we have earthquakes and plate tectonics, to build some land above sea level? A water planet better have land above the sea for us to even think of using it.
Yeah, my mom past & communicated telepathically. She is a powerful Angel now. As for the Bible, I try not 2 argue with folks over scriptures cause scriptures can be interpreted & maneuvered in certain manners 2 prove points, and then conversations can tend 2 go into circles and then it can become a game of psychology. I RESPECT the Bible and all other views. I'm particulary most worried about atheist, who know not, what they MUST learn about God's awesome LOVE & compassion 4 ALL mankind.
@bshieldsbb01 i AGREE! I always come across religious fundies on every science article i come across, typically creationists. I love how they come on such articles and spout about their mental illness when they have nothing to back up claims and yet somehow think they are superior. Religious fundies clearly suffer at least from grandiose disorder. Creationists make great comedies and provide the lol's, but sometimes their ignorance makes me want to bang my head on the wall.
@bshieldsbb01: OFFS: Because you should know the friggin answer: And I am sure you do. Religion and mythology are useless and groundless, utterly stupid and vapid attempts to explain how nature really works. And with that they hinder or even avoid to find answers to questions our species is asking. Religious people and those afflicted with mythology restricted, obstructed, disabled and impeded science for more than five decades and still try to do so. Your comment is disgraceful.
@CosmopolitanNo1 : "Useless and groundless"? Every successful civilization has been built on some kind of organized religion. Western philosophy and science functioned effectively in the context of unobservable constants since the time of Aristotle. During that time worlds greatest minds have built an entire ethos of existence based largely upon religion and/or unobservable truth. You're simply going to throw that all away? Unwise.
@lights779 How about antiquated? That better than "useless"? It served its purpose for primitive man, sure it did... but just like you pulling away from your moms tit... there comes a time when it must end. Its time to abandon the childish ways of a unsophisticated species and embrace logic, reason and understanding... not grasp at shadows. We don't practice alchemy here in modern times for good reason... chemistry is much better at achieving viable answers. Religion is much like this.
@adsensus Someone else said earlier that religion and knowledge are enemies. It was an ignorant statement. Religion and scientific knowledge have had rough points in their relationship, no doubt. But enemies? It ignores 2000 years of astounding intellectual thought that has taken place in the context of religion. The nuances of Augustine, the brilliance of Kant, and so many others. That was all childish? Grasping at shadows? You and I are intellectual children compared to these giants.
@lights779 As for your comment about religion and knowledge are enemies, do you know how much religion has slowed down knowledge and science? Have you even considered how many other great minds that had discoveries that we don't know about because of it? There would have been hundreds if not thousands. How many people had so much potential that was wasted because of fear or put to death because what they were doing was deemed evil. I wouldn't call that rough points, i'd call it oppression.
@moety2 1. Religion still exists. 2. Science continues to advance. 3. Past persecution of science was based on fear, not something intrinsic in religion. 4. I don't expect science to support other disciplines. 5. I'm an engineering student and I'm actually pretty happy about science making things possible. 6. There's an active movement in the scientific community to discredit religion (re: The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins, et al).
@lights779 1. Never said religion doesn't exist. 2. Science would advance faster without the religious holdups. 3 Wrong, dark ages 4. Good. 5 Wasn't my point, science has done that not religion or anything else. 6. Religion makes open claims on things that can be tested and verified and when they are proven wrong, they still persist. So in that light they deserved to be discredited. If you don't know what you are talking about, be prepared to deal with the people who do. Loved The God Delusion
@moety2 1. Never said that you did. 2. Even today? Prove it. 3. Not really sure what you mean. If church had wanted to end science in the dark ages, it had the power to. 5. No one ever claimed otherwise. 6. This discussion can't go any further without descending into a debate about origins. Already been overdone. My original point was that science and religion are not intrinsically opposed. I stick to it.
By the way, your primal posturing does not add anything to the discussion.
@lights779 1. Then there was no point stating the obvious 2. Yes, recently stem cell research but thankfully not as much anymore 3. Didn't claimed they wanted to end science but they sure paralyzed the progress. 5. My point, why believe in something that has produced relatively nothing, especially compared to science. 6. Religion making claims they can't back up has nothing to do with origin just evidence. One relies on faith the other evidence, that is opposed. Primal posturing? lol man up.
@moety2 1 was linked to 2. It made a point. You missed it. 2. You mean ethics. Nazi scientists studied live Jews in the 40s. If Russia hadn't stopped itwe would know a lot more. I'm like the way things turned out. 3. Broken record. New evidence? Yeah didn't think so. 6. Uh huh. Yeah. Every religious person is dedicated to blind belief. Don't leave your pretend basement chemistry lab much do you? Don't worry, someday you'll do something important and your superiority complex will be justified.
@lights779 1. oh ha Yes I missed the point, but science has done that in spite of the religious holdups not because of it 2. Ethics based in religion. What was more of a motivater for nazis to look down on jews, science or? 3. lol you changed from no evidence to new evidence 6. Your point & words "science and religion are not intrinsically opposed" If one requires evidence to believe and the other doesn't and even ignores evidence, your rant was not only silly but ilrelevent to YOUR point.
@moety2 "2. Ethics based in religion. What was more of a motivater for nazis to look down on jews, science or?"
Or...racism? There's absolutely no religious basis for genocide in that context. Congratulations. You just committed intellectual suicide. An actual scientist would think before making an argument with such obvious flaws. I suggest you quit parroting ideas you got from Discover magazine and let the real scientists handle these kinds of arguments.
@lights779 intellectual suicide? Dramatic much? Hitler never used the religious card about the jews killing Jesus? I know he didn't use E=MC squared. First I had primal posturing then a superiority complex then a basement chemistry lab then to a discover magazine. You see a trend here? I do. Childish behavior tossing out insults because of a lack of argument. Very religious of you lol. If there was intellectual suicide, all one has to do is read the comments to see who crossed that line.
@moety2 Fact: established religion firmly condemns the holocaust. To suggest that it was anything more than the result of a racist madman in combination with an economically and culturally distraught country practically amounts to libel. You clearly concocted the argument on the fly with no basis in fact. It could also be argued that Darwinism was central to the idea of Aryan superiority. Would it be factual though? Doubtful, nor will I assert it as fact just to suit my argument as you have.
@lights779 I use the the term "childish" relative to our level of understanding as a species. I do not think it coincidence that as our body of knowledge grows, religious fervor declines. As understanding of that body of knowledge grows, so does the likelihood of being religious. One could carry out great, in-depth thought about The Lord of the Ring, carry out great conversation, write books... yadda yadda... but does that constitute anything of worth to us as a people?
@adsensus "I do not think it coincidence that as our body of knowledge grows, religious fervor declines."
Evidence? Studies show that scientists are approx 30% atheist, 30% agnostic, 30% religious. That's still 60% that believe in or are open to the idea of a god.
It's possible that a discussion of the themes in Lord of the Rings, such as self sacrifice or loyalty, could impact peoples' lives. In terms of adding to our body of scientific knowledge of course the benefit would be zero.
@CosmopolitanNo1 If you look at them from a psychological standpoint they make pretty much sense, it's selftherapy, don't bash things you do not know anything about, dear sir. A myth in it's entire story can be a huge...huge! metaphor for another huge thing...you just have to decode the myth.
@CosmopolitanNo1 "Religious people and those afflicted with mythology restricted, obstructed, disabled and impeded science for more than five decades and still try to do so.".
all sorts of people restrict science. you shouldnt blame an ideology thats not inherently a problem because of people who interpret it wrongly and act on that, extremeists. Many religious people follow the teachings of science, as religion and science are not mutually exclusive to one another. i see physics as almost the mind of God. i wont get into why i believe what i do because i wouldnt try to change you, i believe we're all entitled to our own spirituality and opinions
@CosmopolitanNo1 They have been only obstructing for about 50 years? or do you mean five centuries, but even that wouldn't cover it. There has always been fearful people who are scared to find answers based on pure fact.
@CosmopolitanNo1 over all I disagree with you. I think that you are correct for some part of this, but I heard this argument over and over, starting with my upbringing as an atheist. But, I believe that there are many concepts that we can apply to other studies that began in religions. There is a wealth of human knowledge that resides in the sub-conscience. This all was originally interpreted as religion and the age of enlightenment will soon realize the potential that religion revealed.
@jnthnbush: It appears to me as if you are making an attempt to defend religion. I respect your opinion, but I am convinced, you are utterly mistaken. Religion was and will be a threat to humanity. It is as simple as that. Only religious people and other ignorant people refuse to accept that. Just look at the facts. Religion is about power. Not about knowledge. Knowledge is the enemy of religion and religion is the enemy of knowledge.
@Neron: Of course not! And I am convinced there will be many questions left unanswered when the human race is about to extinct. But that does not mean the answer lies in a deity.
Science is a modern religion, a covert kind of it that dissmisses as many brave attempts to understand all of reality as a different religion would and has dissmissed. Why is that so? Science is done by people. Whatever a man does, its tainted with pressuppositions. Even science. Religion thus can be just a quaint hint upon what is beyond the present-day science. Just saying...
@pogan1983 Wrong. You simply cannot justify the incredible stupidity of religion. Science is a self correcting enterprise that has made huge strides in progress in a relatively short amount of time. However, religion is the massive, shitting elephant in the room who's fucking up your furniture.
@ManDudeYeah Sure, it is self correcting but have it in mind that about 100 years ago people of science would ridicule you for believing that planes can fly, that rocks fall from heaven, and man can go to the moon. Let's not make the same mistake and learn the lesson by being sceptical - I won't deny sth but I also won't say that I believe in it.
Now, even the spred of light is being broken on daily basis (quantum entanglement), Cherenkov's ultrafast electrons (1958 Nobel Prize).
@pogan1983 "Science is done by people. whatever man does, it's tainted with presuppositions." What? And religion isn't done by people? Then by whom? God? It's as if you suffer from down syndrome. The contradiction you make is mind boggling.
Presupposition: To assume some truth without proof.
Nothing fits into that better than religion. Your comment is seriously frustrating, holy fuck.
Copernicus proved it but Galileo had direct observation with a telescope. Observing the transit of venus proved the heliocentric theory of the solar system.
The Catholic Church did not get on board until the Carter Administration when they apologized for the treatment that Galileo underwent as an old man. He was shown the instruments of torture and he certainly knew of them, so it was hard for him to hold his ground as a scientist against the Church dogma.
@WhichDoctor1 it have nothing to do with the church dogma and christianity.
And it was the easiest way to remove someone if you say he is heretic. Because in this times the discoveries are made in the church. Like copernicus and many other were priests.
@sergiomarchelli Well the church did teach that everything went round the earth, it was something theologians came up with to explain how everything works and you are right they got it from the Greeks. It was still church dogma though, the church tort it, therefor it was true and anyone who contradicted the church was a heretic.
@WhichDoctor1 the church didn't teach anything like this. This is not subject of the religious dogma. The conflict was with some persons that were accepting the Aristotelian scientific view of the universe. The sad story is that this was a political conflict than a religion-science conflict.
@sergiomarchelli At that time there was very little difference between the church and politics, if any. You are right that this was not based on the bible but it was still dogma. In the same way as the concept of original sin isn't in the bible but that is still part of the churches dogma today.
@WhichDoctor1 no, it was not church dogma and have nothing to do with the dogma, the concept of the original sin is something you can read in the religious texts.
Original sin is church dogma.. of course depending on what church you belong to. Something is dogmatic, not from its source (reasoning, logic, consensus, scripture), but a dogma is an intractable and unquestionable belief...
@sergiomarchelli You are woefully uninformed, if that is your opinion. To believe anything other than the earth was the center of our solar system was blasphemous.
Religion has retarded or tried to stop or direct many routes of scientific research and inquiry. Science usually wins out over religious dogma, wishful thinking and superstition, but it tends to take a very long time.
@zippyman818 sorry dude, you are the uninformed. You are making your claims on things you don't understand and haven't read. Please make an efford, read and don't just follow blindly the cliches. ;-).
And the process was in fact politic and they used religion as an excuse. It was the most easiest way to stop someone. Just say he is heretic. Also don't forget that the persons made the discoveries were also religious people.
for those who hate the fact that we share 98.5% of our DNA with chimpanzees I have a question. Assume God created Adam & Eve and suppose for the sake of simplicity they had a Son and a Daughter, the question is how on earth could Adam & Eve have grand children?? coz in order to have grand kids the Son and the Daughter needs to sleep with some human and Literally the only humans on the planet they could sleep with is either their Sibling or their Parent.
@Judicial78 no. most of the old testament is not taken literally, as they contradict what is scientifically proven or are not really proven to have any historical accuracy. Events in the new testament are taken literally, as there is A LOT of historical evidence suggesting Jesus existed, even historians who do not agree that God exists agree that Jesus did in one way or another.
@turdpolish704 Yes cause you can prove with science that water can turn into wine, people can walk on water, and raise others from the dead. It's real convenient to pick and choose what you want to believe in, and discard the rest.
@Judicial78 you can disprove with science that god created the world in 6 days but you cannot disprove what Jesus did. Besides we do not pick and choose the 2 greatest commandments are to love God and treat everybody as you would like to be treated. That is the core belief of all christian theology. That is the primary belief and it will never be changed
@turdpolish704 That's correct my friend. U tell em! And don't 4get folks, ALL this talk about religion, yet none about SPIRITUALITY! Cause that's what it's really all about. All you agnostics & atheist out there, NOW is the time 4 u all to at least LEARN about religions & GOD, cause believe me, if you DON'T in this life, then ur just gonna be playing catch up in the AFTERLIFE! Take it from someone who knows & has had contact on the other side. IT'S REAL!
@therealraybaby Oh, you have contacts on the other side :-) , you will be rich.
There are unlimited with fools that will pay you to tell what the dead say.
But, did not the bible say that the dead are dead until the judgment day, the end of the world, where they get the life back and be sorted as good or evil , not depending of what they did in life, but only if they said they love Jesus before their death or not., or did I get your story book wrong?
@Judicial78 Get ta know me in this life & when we get 2 da next one, look me up and we'll have a drink 2gether & talk about the good ol days on planet earth. :-)
@Judicial78 but, according to you there is nothing after death? Therefore everything and anything you do in life is pointless? I'd rather spend it believing in something worthwhile even if God did not exist. (obviously though God does exist)
@turdpolish704 Give me a break you are delusional. And as for your core beliefs I have yet to see a truly good natured christian. most people follow religion for self serving reasons, either to take advantage of others or to attain "paradise" or some other fantasy that is purely selfish.
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I started hating religion and religious people the first time I saw a comment from a creationist on a science video,I don´t want my children to encounter this in the future,absolutely not,I want them to learn about science not religion.
MITHWORLD1 1 year ago
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OakridgeProductions9 1 year ago
Like anyone would really say what was done was ok. One of the reasons they had to strongly speak out against it after the fact was because it was widely known the religious tone of the German people. One group claiming superiority over another group has been happening long before Darwin. One case in point right before Darwin published origins of species was "manifest destiny" So while you could argue, there is plenty of historic evidence to show that way of thinking was around for a long time.
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"That's the mistake we made when Darwin showed up. We embraced him...all smiles...And then we discovered that Darwin and our religions didn't mix. Or at least we didn't think they did. We were fools. We tried to budge Darwin and Huxley and Freud. They wouldn't move very well. So, like idiots, we tried knocking down religion...We lost our faith and went around wondering what life was for...we were and still are a lost people."
-Ray Bradbury, /The Martian Chronicles/. Pg66-7 Random House 06/1984.
lights779 1 year ago
If i was not for science we still would be living in the stone age, and believe the earth is still flat.
weldean46 1 year ago
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goemon9378 1 year ago
Rain, thunder and lightning used to be supernatural too. Religions (ALL RELIGIONS) came from the use of entheogenic substances of earlier civilizations. It is hallucinatory accounts of natural and planetary interpretations put into story then twisted into dogmatic texts, then beleived by people who think entheogens are somehow evil.
Without drugs, you would never have heard about Gods, and with Drugs you can see for yourself that Gods do not exist. So take two and call me in the morning..lol.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
ugh religion talk ok if god has a plan for all of us you should STFU
Frenzal88 1 year ago
I wonder if there are more planetss with life on them.
If you think about it, there is a countless number of stars and planets in the univers, it is possiable that life was formed on other planets too.
ILIYYILI 1 year ago
we know where our oceans came from
RunnerReign 1 year ago
@cosmo, I disagree.
mburch1974 1 year ago
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@cosmopolitanNo1, How is anything I've said even remotely "silly"? And regarding "missing the boat" I never bought a ticket in the first place. Maybe I misinterpreted what you were trying to convey? Maybe I chimed in too soon without reading the entire dialogue between you, but it didn't sound good nor accurate from where I started :)
mburch1974 1 year ago
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mburch1974 1 year ago
those 2 person are the people how make science difficult for everone
parsonman05 1 year ago
i would like to believe there is some thing or some one greater then us, and i like it when humanity keeps searching for the big answer, who are we and where did we come from. I think we as humans will never stop searching.
weldean46 1 year ago 2
Cool! I suppose with that telescope it shall be possible to understand the amazing creation of Creator a little bit better...
IOnGust 1 year ago
@IOnGust
We might even get a photo of Vishnu Himself!
mistergarth 1 year ago
All hail science ..... I am positive that we might be able to find an another inhabitable planet within 50 years..... Might be far fetched but as we know science knowledge Explodes Exponentially.....
uk8581 1 year ago
Cosmo you need to learn not to take religion so literally they aren't meant to be read like rules off an instruction manual directly and literally, but as stories centered around moral points meant to enlighten the reader. One shouldn't necessarily have to learn about life's bad choices a posteriori.
mburch1974 1 year ago
@mburch1974: I would say you missed the whole friggin' boat. I don't feel like wasting my or others time to respond to your silly remarks.
CosmopolitanNo1 1 year ago
Some people don't get that religion, although it can teach things, is just as farfetched as believing so seriously in a story like Lord of the Rings.. Religion is an easy thing to believe in for people who do not have the intelligence or the will to try to understand science. What people don't understand, they are afraid of. Religion gives those people a ridiculous, self-centered sense of security.
eelexa 1 year ago 15
@eelexa Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Aristotle and many other great scientists of the past would disagree.
lights779 1 year ago
@lights779 All great scientist are human like everyone else. Just because they are very well accomplished in certain fields doesn't exclude them from being wrong especially when it comes to religion which is a personal choice (I could easily argue indoctrination) not a scientific endeavor or discovery. They certainly didn't have access to all the information we have today that is opening and changing minds like it continues to do like it has done with a great scientist like Steven Hawkins.
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2 and it wasn't them who studied God. Hawkins knows that science will always prevail in the understanding of how things work, but never will it full comprehend all of existence. Science can only probes the depths of the Plank length and reach to the edge of the observable Universe, yet there will always be an unknown extent to which we will never full understand. The Uncertainty Principal has forever imposed a impression of Gods will that can never be calculated precisely
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@jnthnbush If it wasn't them who studied god they there is no relevance in bringing them up in the defense of it. You just tried to toss around great scientific minds like that would justify religion or god. Sorry, no free pass. I don't care how sophisticated and intellectual you try to say what we don't understand we call god. There is always going to be more questions then answers but I will not label the unanswerable questions or the unknown god. History clearly shows that is flawed logic
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2 right, hard to play the devils advocate on this one. But, I will still hold that everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs even if it is not founded on science, we still need that to make the personal relationship with science fact. This is a developing concept for me, like I said before I was raised an atheist and I agree with you more than any creationist or religious bigot. The worst thing is to discount any pursuit for knowledge because of religion.
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@moety2 then again, I believe since we have a specific past since the big bang we must have a specific future. All events are from the effect of the previous one, so that means our future is defined? But the only way to fully predict the future is to know all the speed and locations of every single object in the universe, will that ever be known? I also think there is a element of human intelligence that has developed to see the patterns in this chaos and interpret a system, known as religion
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@moety2 in my 28 years of life, I have perused my own truth and answers. This is what I have make up so far. Averaging out all event and normal circumstances leads to predictable outcomes. However, what if there are quantifiable ebbs in the flow of life that result in supernatural events, sometimes happening in humans. the supernatural may only be extraordinary by a small measure, but enough to pronounce a difference. Maybe this is what divinity could be. Religions is the study of this.
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@jnthnbush It takes faith to understand what I mean, and I don't really get it yet. Sa la vie, maybe we will in the end. So, what I am trying to say is that religion may have been the way to understand life on a supernatural scale. Science ignores that all and only deals with the facts. But at some point we will have to re-look at what was dogma and reinterpret the mind of those people who wrote the religious books. We may find they were onto something, but needed more facts. I dunno!!!
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@jnthnbush Your position is admirable, but you made a few assumptions that are unwarranted. You said "WHAT IF there are quantifiable ebbs in the flow of life that result in supernatural events" Until such a discovery is made there is no point speculating. Giving the history of what we have learned so far, considering a supernatural reason for anything we may come across is highly improbable. I am not saying to completely rule it out but there is no evidence to suggest we should consider it.
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2 What you mean is that there is no scientific evidence. The real question here is how 'religious/spiritual' knowledge is collected. Three things come to mind immediately: mysticism, dialectic, and dogma. Science is the observation of the physical realm. If there is a spiritual reality, science will never be able to indicate either way. So do we have to ignore the possibility? That would be foolish.
I don't understand why science is set on destroying everything but its' own discipline.
lights779 1 year ago
@lights779 The reason why you don't understand is because science does not set out to destroy, it seeks to prove. Your problem is because it can not support other disciplines because of it's very foundation. Also science does not ignore what is possible. If you know your history, science has made things that was once deem impossible, possible. Spiritual, religion, mysticism etc has not. You may not like that but science does not care about personal feelings. It is a tool, nothing more.
moety2 1 year ago
@jnthnbush Religion was never a way to understand life on a supernatural scale, it was a way to try and understand that which was not understandable at a point in time. You need to stop making leaps in understanding and take things for what they are. To say science ignores is very disingenuous. Science investigates and because they have no evidence to support preconceived notions of certain beliefs and dismisses them you claim that they ignore. I take proof over faith.
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2 err, I can't debate this anymore, my beliefs are not formulated enough to argue your point here. just know that I agree with you more than you know
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@jnthnbush That is fine. Your honesty is very refreshing and appreciated.
moety2 1 year ago
@lights779 I used to be a mainstream atheist until I began to accept that these great figures in human history were indeed religious. People like to ignore the fact that these great thinkers were religious and scientists. It contradictory in their feeble minds, but the fact is you can't discount one persons understand about life when you hold their discoveries and inventions on a pedestal.
jnthnbush 1 year ago
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@lights779 I don't know, I am just making this shit up as I go along.
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@eelexa once you accept that they had superior intellect yet remained religious, you can't deny that they were confirming basic religious belief in God. You don't have to accept the same dogma and set of rule imposed by the hierarchy, but we should not take for granted the evolved learning of 1000s of years of studying life and the basic guidelines that religion established.
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@eelexa see me response below on light779, I disagree with you.
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@eelexa Religion is an ideal, such as communism. Sure, it does not necessarly prove compatible in many cases, however as most ideologies it can provide both death and life, comfort and discomfort, and to stretch things further: good and evil. It can be followed strictly or not at all. It is important not to neglect the entire phenomenon, as people can still use this ideal for good. As most ideals, it is not about right or wrong. Right and wrong are just words, what matters is what you do!
LarryLynx 1 year ago
@eelexa Remember that people WANT to believe in these religious stories - that there is life after death and that your "sins" will be forgiven, that there is a mighty force out there to help you. That's why you see so many drunks who don't have the inner character strength to control themselves taking to Jesus (Bush, Hamilton)
daveknow 1 year ago
@daveknow They only want to believe them because they are taught to fear death. If you raise kids to except death as a natural part of life and to enjoy the time you have as constructively as possible, they will have no need for those stories. If fact when they do hear them, they would consider it nonsense. How do I know that? Because I have done it with my kids and it WORKS. Indoctrination goes both ways, you can indoctrinate your kids so they know bullshit when they hear it lol
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2
I'm not sure anyone needs to be "taught" to fear death; it's quite natural.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot If you are not sure then take the time to investigate. There are cultures where they do not fear death at all. They look at our cultures fear of death as being "silly". So your view of natural is subjective.
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2
Fair enough. I obviously need to look into the matter more closely.
These cultures that don't fear death--do they believe that death really is the end, or do they in effect deny the reality of death by positing an afterlife? I'm guessing that a person who truly believes in another, better life to come is less likely to fear death.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot Now thats a good question. It varies from different cultures. It ranges from those that believe in an afterlife and how they consider an afterlife and cultures that don't believe in it or a "god" or afterlife at all and they all seem to do just fine. While cultures with versions of an afterlife is very abundant, my point is because it is something taught.
moety2 1 year ago
@eelexa ... I'm actually now reminded of something my pastor said in church one day. Science bases everything on evolution and the big bang, while religion bases their beliefs on a higher power that created it all. Why not both? Even if you trace everything back to the big bang where at all started from a super dense piece of space dust... you still have to think, "how did that spec of dust get there?"
OhjiroChan 1 year ago
@OhjiroChan one can only speculate that the universe is a self repeating doughnut shape.
T1carus 1 year ago
Why is it no matter what science based video I go to, all I have to do is scroll down to the first few comments and there's some idiot flaming about his religion?
davidt0504 1 year ago 33
Science for the win!
amorphousguy 1 year ago 3
i'm asking everyone to stop flame wars. it's getting annoying to dig through these comments just to get to adequate ones for video's.
325minutes 1 year ago 2
Why do science videos always turn in to a religious arguement? It has no place here.
BlueLotusSC 1 year ago 3
@BlueLotusSC
Well even if science is meant to be objective, it still requires that people believe in the empirical for it to have any value, when a person in general don't, which is usally someone of religious beliefs or some new age person then this is a threat to the scientific method as a concept.
Religion has some relevance, as it in many examples opposes science, and it opposes science with nothing but fantasy, which in my opinion needs to be countered.
Serethen 1 year ago
@Serethen ah good point sir. Seems religion in trying to cock block science in a way.
BlueLotusSC 1 year ago
It will Awesome to see what they fig out! I'm pretty stoked!
leon4medicman 1 year ago
If there were other planets like ours (atmospheric pressure, gravity, etc.) It would be too far away (millions and millions of light years away). I say we take care of this planet, and not treat it like a gumwrapper.
AfroedNinja 1 year ago
@AfroedNinja I under stand your treat it like it is the only thing we have, because it is true. But your ratio / distance is way off, too far, too high. There are far more reasonable type planets a lot closer within the hundreds of light year range. Stil out of reach but there.
Now aren't we glad we have earthquakes and plate tectonics, to build some land above sea level? A water planet better have land above the sea for us to even think of using it.
SlackerSlayer 1 year ago
SHE SAID UR ANUS LMFAOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
badges2142 1 year ago
@badges2142
its U-RA-NUS, not UR-ANUS.
Lern 2 listen
motanium 1 year ago
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JustSomeGuyOk 1 year ago
My question is Why isn't there a planet like Earth in or solar sytem?
Evolove510 1 year ago
@Evolove510
Mars would be more like Earth today if only it had a bit more mass. It seems Mars had oceans in it's earlier days when it had an atmosphere.
smithichie 1 year ago
@Evolove510 there used to be, in the ancient past, we call it Mars these days.
FreedomLiberty21 1 year ago
@Evolove510 Well, there's Earth, lol. Supposedly Mars used to be Earthlike, and Venus is similar to a protoearth. Or so I've heard.
c140075 1 year ago
Remember we've been at this for only 10 years,finding exoplanets
and only 50 years in space exploration
And already we know so much I can only imagine what we'll learn in the next 50 years
QuestionTheSystem 1 year ago
This is our backyard, amazing. Can't wait.
Lucuskane 1 year ago
Remember we've been at this for only 10 years,finding exoplanets
and only 50 years in space exploration
And we know so much, I can only imagine what we'll learn in the next 50 years
QuestionTheSystem 1 year ago
Thanks for the Video
Cheers
Projoiner1 1 year ago
Yeah, my mom past & communicated telepathically. She is a powerful Angel now. As for the Bible, I try not 2 argue with folks over scriptures cause scriptures can be interpreted & maneuvered in certain manners 2 prove points, and then conversations can tend 2 go into circles and then it can become a game of psychology. I RESPECT the Bible and all other views. I'm particulary most worried about atheist, who know not, what they MUST learn about God's awesome LOVE & compassion 4 ALL mankind.
therealraybaby 1 year ago
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Lost8Wizard 1 year ago
Another great vid! Thanks for posting!
JadeChaos 1 year ago
Great video. Moar, etc.
tintiringa 1 year ago
I like saturn!
CoReeYe 1 year ago
i like planets and stuff!!
tubester4567 1 year ago
Probing Uranus :P
bartjoboy 1 year ago 4
Hey, I wanted to do that first! =8)
8DX 1 year ago
is it pronounced 'urine-us' or 'your-anus'?
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
O FFS! Why do forums on good science vids all turn into rants about religion and mythology?
bshieldsbb01 1 year ago 5
@bshieldsbb01 i AGREE! I always come across religious fundies on every science article i come across, typically creationists. I love how they come on such articles and spout about their mental illness when they have nothing to back up claims and yet somehow think they are superior. Religious fundies clearly suffer at least from grandiose disorder. Creationists make great comedies and provide the lol's, but sometimes their ignorance makes me want to bang my head on the wall.
01101100d 1 year ago 3
@bshieldsbb01: OFFS: Because you should know the friggin answer: And I am sure you do. Religion and mythology are useless and groundless, utterly stupid and vapid attempts to explain how nature really works. And with that they hinder or even avoid to find answers to questions our species is asking. Religious people and those afflicted with mythology restricted, obstructed, disabled and impeded science for more than five decades and still try to do so. Your comment is disgraceful.
CosmopolitanNo1 1 year ago 74
@CosmopolitanNo1: I am with you all the way! Well put.
natallia99 1 year ago 25
@CosmopolitanNo1 : "Useless and groundless"? Every successful civilization has been built on some kind of organized religion. Western philosophy and science functioned effectively in the context of unobservable constants since the time of Aristotle. During that time worlds greatest minds have built an entire ethos of existence based largely upon religion and/or unobservable truth. You're simply going to throw that all away? Unwise.
lights779 1 year ago
@lights779 How about antiquated? That better than "useless"? It served its purpose for primitive man, sure it did... but just like you pulling away from your moms tit... there comes a time when it must end. Its time to abandon the childish ways of a unsophisticated species and embrace logic, reason and understanding... not grasp at shadows. We don't practice alchemy here in modern times for good reason... chemistry is much better at achieving viable answers. Religion is much like this.
adsensus 1 year ago
@adsensus Someone else said earlier that religion and knowledge are enemies. It was an ignorant statement. Religion and scientific knowledge have had rough points in their relationship, no doubt. But enemies? It ignores 2000 years of astounding intellectual thought that has taken place in the context of religion. The nuances of Augustine, the brilliance of Kant, and so many others. That was all childish? Grasping at shadows? You and I are intellectual children compared to these giants.
lights779 1 year ago
@lights779 As for your comment about religion and knowledge are enemies, do you know how much religion has slowed down knowledge and science? Have you even considered how many other great minds that had discoveries that we don't know about because of it? There would have been hundreds if not thousands. How many people had so much potential that was wasted because of fear or put to death because what they were doing was deemed evil. I wouldn't call that rough points, i'd call it oppression.
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2 1. Religion still exists. 2. Science continues to advance. 3. Past persecution of science was based on fear, not something intrinsic in religion. 4. I don't expect science to support other disciplines. 5. I'm an engineering student and I'm actually pretty happy about science making things possible. 6. There's an active movement in the scientific community to discredit religion (re: The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins, et al).
lights779 1 year ago
@lights779 1. Never said religion doesn't exist. 2. Science would advance faster without the religious holdups. 3 Wrong, dark ages 4. Good. 5 Wasn't my point, science has done that not religion or anything else. 6. Religion makes open claims on things that can be tested and verified and when they are proven wrong, they still persist. So in that light they deserved to be discredited. If you don't know what you are talking about, be prepared to deal with the people who do. Loved The God Delusion
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2 1. Never said that you did. 2. Even today? Prove it. 3. Not really sure what you mean. If church had wanted to end science in the dark ages, it had the power to. 5. No one ever claimed otherwise. 6. This discussion can't go any further without descending into a debate about origins. Already been overdone. My original point was that science and religion are not intrinsically opposed. I stick to it.
By the way, your primal posturing does not add anything to the discussion.
lights779 1 year ago
@lights779 1. Then there was no point stating the obvious 2. Yes, recently stem cell research but thankfully not as much anymore 3. Didn't claimed they wanted to end science but they sure paralyzed the progress. 5. My point, why believe in something that has produced relatively nothing, especially compared to science. 6. Religion making claims they can't back up has nothing to do with origin just evidence. One relies on faith the other evidence, that is opposed. Primal posturing? lol man up.
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2 1 was linked to 2. It made a point. You missed it. 2. You mean ethics. Nazi scientists studied live Jews in the 40s. If Russia hadn't stopped itwe would know a lot more. I'm like the way things turned out. 3. Broken record. New evidence? Yeah didn't think so. 6. Uh huh. Yeah. Every religious person is dedicated to blind belief. Don't leave your pretend basement chemistry lab much do you? Don't worry, someday you'll do something important and your superiority complex will be justified.
lights779 1 year ago
@lights779 1. oh ha Yes I missed the point, but science has done that in spite of the religious holdups not because of it 2. Ethics based in religion. What was more of a motivater for nazis to look down on jews, science or? 3. lol you changed from no evidence to new evidence 6. Your point & words "science and religion are not intrinsically opposed" If one requires evidence to believe and the other doesn't and even ignores evidence, your rant was not only silly but ilrelevent to YOUR point.
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2 "2. Ethics based in religion. What was more of a motivater for nazis to look down on jews, science or?"
Or...racism? There's absolutely no religious basis for genocide in that context. Congratulations. You just committed intellectual suicide. An actual scientist would think before making an argument with such obvious flaws. I suggest you quit parroting ideas you got from Discover magazine and let the real scientists handle these kinds of arguments.
lights779 1 year ago
@lights779 intellectual suicide? Dramatic much? Hitler never used the religious card about the jews killing Jesus? I know he didn't use E=MC squared. First I had primal posturing then a superiority complex then a basement chemistry lab then to a discover magazine. You see a trend here? I do. Childish behavior tossing out insults because of a lack of argument. Very religious of you lol. If there was intellectual suicide, all one has to do is read the comments to see who crossed that line.
moety2 1 year ago
@moety2 Fact: established religion firmly condemns the holocaust. To suggest that it was anything more than the result of a racist madman in combination with an economically and culturally distraught country practically amounts to libel. You clearly concocted the argument on the fly with no basis in fact. It could also be argued that Darwinism was central to the idea of Aryan superiority. Would it be factual though? Doubtful, nor will I assert it as fact just to suit my argument as you have.
lights779 1 year ago
@lights779 I use the the term "childish" relative to our level of understanding as a species. I do not think it coincidence that as our body of knowledge grows, religious fervor declines. As understanding of that body of knowledge grows, so does the likelihood of being religious. One could carry out great, in-depth thought about The Lord of the Ring, carry out great conversation, write books... yadda yadda... but does that constitute anything of worth to us as a people?
adsensus 1 year ago
@adsensus "I do not think it coincidence that as our body of knowledge grows, religious fervor declines."
Evidence? Studies show that scientists are approx 30% atheist, 30% agnostic, 30% religious. That's still 60% that believe in or are open to the idea of a god.
It's possible that a discussion of the themes in Lord of the Rings, such as self sacrifice or loyalty, could impact peoples' lives. In terms of adding to our body of scientific knowledge of course the benefit would be zero.
lights779 1 year ago
@CosmopolitanNo1 If you look at them from a psychological standpoint they make pretty much sense, it's selftherapy, don't bash things you do not know anything about, dear sir. A myth in it's entire story can be a huge...huge! metaphor for another huge thing...you just have to decode the myth.
MrNegativeMrPositive 1 year ago
@CosmopolitanNo1 You really don't know what mythological stories are for....
They are able to tell a morale, something science can't..
PS, would people PLEASE stop talking religion on a science vid?
egadw 1 year ago 3
@CosmopolitanNo1 "Religious people and those afflicted with mythology restricted, obstructed, disabled and impeded science for more than five decades and still try to do so.".
5 decades? you mean thousands of years.
cmsalvagio 1 year ago
@cmsalvagio: Ooops I was thinking centuries. My fail.
CosmopolitanNo1 1 year ago
@CosmopolitanNo1 The religious have attempted to block science for MUCH longer than 50 years......remember poor Gallileo?
They've not really improved since except for not torturing people now. Although, you and I both know they would if they could.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@CosmopolitanNo1
all sorts of people restrict science. you shouldnt blame an ideology thats not inherently a problem because of people who interpret it wrongly and act on that, extremeists. Many religious people follow the teachings of science, as religion and science are not mutually exclusive to one another. i see physics as almost the mind of God. i wont get into why i believe what i do because i wouldnt try to change you, i believe we're all entitled to our own spirituality and opinions
blazednlovinit 1 year ago
@CosmopolitanNo1 you agree but his comment is disgraceful?
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@CosmopolitanNo1 They have been only obstructing for about 50 years? or do you mean five centuries, but even that wouldn't cover it. There has always been fearful people who are scared to find answers based on pure fact.
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@CosmopolitanNo1 over all I disagree with you. I think that you are correct for some part of this, but I heard this argument over and over, starting with my upbringing as an atheist. But, I believe that there are many concepts that we can apply to other studies that began in religions. There is a wealth of human knowledge that resides in the sub-conscience. This all was originally interpreted as religion and the age of enlightenment will soon realize the potential that religion revealed.
jnthnbush 1 year ago
@jnthnbush: It appears to me as if you are making an attempt to defend religion. I respect your opinion, but I am convinced, you are utterly mistaken. Religion was and will be a threat to humanity. It is as simple as that. Only religious people and other ignorant people refuse to accept that. Just look at the facts. Religion is about power. Not about knowledge. Knowledge is the enemy of religion and religion is the enemy of knowledge.
CosmopolitanNo1 1 year ago
@CosmopolitanNo1 I would like to ask you one question:can science explain every and all things in this world??
Neron 1 year ago
@Neron: Of course not! And I am convinced there will be many questions left unanswered when the human race is about to extinct. But that does not mean the answer lies in a deity.
CosmopolitanNo1 1 year ago
@CosmopolitanNo1
Science is a modern religion, a covert kind of it that dissmisses as many brave attempts to understand all of reality as a different religion would and has dissmissed. Why is that so? Science is done by people. Whatever a man does, its tainted with pressuppositions. Even science. Religion thus can be just a quaint hint upon what is beyond the present-day science. Just saying...
pogan1983 1 year ago
@pogan1983 Wrong. You simply cannot justify the incredible stupidity of religion. Science is a self correcting enterprise that has made huge strides in progress in a relatively short amount of time. However, religion is the massive, shitting elephant in the room who's fucking up your furniture.
ManDudeYeah 1 year ago 2
@ManDudeYeah Sure, it is self correcting but have it in mind that about 100 years ago people of science would ridicule you for believing that planes can fly, that rocks fall from heaven, and man can go to the moon. Let's not make the same mistake and learn the lesson by being sceptical - I won't deny sth but I also won't say that I believe in it.
Now, even the spred of light is being broken on daily basis (quantum entanglement), Cherenkov's ultrafast electrons (1958 Nobel Prize).
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@pogan1983 "Science is done by people. whatever man does, it's tainted with presuppositions." What? And religion isn't done by people? Then by whom? God? It's as if you suffer from down syndrome. The contradiction you make is mind boggling.
Presupposition: To assume some truth without proof.
Nothing fits into that better than religion. Your comment is seriously frustrating, holy fuck.
IamLav 1 year ago
@AloofPeregrine Nice. Now the only thing that's missing is any evidence of a global flood.
int3rl0per 1 year ago 2
@Fudg3M0nk3y91, Sofa King style!
segankuz 1 year ago
Copernicus proved it but Galileo had direct observation with a telescope. Observing the transit of venus proved the heliocentric theory of the solar system.
The Catholic Church did not get on board until the Carter Administration when they apologized for the treatment that Galileo underwent as an old man. He was shown the instruments of torture and he certainly knew of them, so it was hard for him to hold his ground as a scientist against the Church dogma.
zippyman818 1 year ago 4
@zippyman818 church dogma have nothing to do with this. The geocentric system was taken from the greeks and have nothing to do with religion.
Copernicus was catolic priest.
sergiomarchelli 1 year ago
@sergiomarchelli It may have not been mentioned in the bible but that didn't stop it being church dogma.
WhichDoctor1 1 year ago
@WhichDoctor1 it have nothing to do with the church dogma and christianity.
And it was the easiest way to remove someone if you say he is heretic. Because in this times the discoveries are made in the church. Like copernicus and many other were priests.
sergiomarchelli 1 year ago
@sergiomarchelli Well the church did teach that everything went round the earth, it was something theologians came up with to explain how everything works and you are right they got it from the Greeks. It was still church dogma though, the church tort it, therefor it was true and anyone who contradicted the church was a heretic.
WhichDoctor1 1 year ago 3
@WhichDoctor1 the church didn't teach anything like this. This is not subject of the religious dogma. The conflict was with some persons that were accepting the Aristotelian scientific view of the universe. The sad story is that this was a political conflict than a religion-science conflict.
sergiomarchelli 1 year ago
@sergiomarchelli At that time there was very little difference between the church and politics, if any. You are right that this was not based on the bible but it was still dogma. In the same way as the concept of original sin isn't in the bible but that is still part of the churches dogma today.
WhichDoctor1 1 year ago
@WhichDoctor1 no, it was not church dogma and have nothing to do with the dogma, the concept of the original sin is something you can read in the religious texts.
sergiomarchelli 1 year ago
Original sin is church dogma.. of course depending on what church you belong to. Something is dogmatic, not from its source (reasoning, logic, consensus, scripture), but a dogma is an intractable and unquestionable belief...
8DX 1 year ago
@sergiomarchelli You are woefully uninformed, if that is your opinion. To believe anything other than the earth was the center of our solar system was blasphemous.
Religion has retarded or tried to stop or direct many routes of scientific research and inquiry. Science usually wins out over religious dogma, wishful thinking and superstition, but it tends to take a very long time.
zippyman818 1 year ago
@zippyman818 sorry dude, you are the uninformed. You are making your claims on things you don't understand and haven't read. Please make an efford, read and don't just follow blindly the cliches. ;-).
And the process was in fact politic and they used religion as an excuse. It was the most easiest way to stop someone. Just say he is heretic. Also don't forget that the persons made the discoveries were also religious people.
sergiomarchelli 1 year ago
for those who hate the fact that we share 98.5% of our DNA with chimpanzees I have a question. Assume God created Adam & Eve and suppose for the sake of simplicity they had a Son and a Daughter, the question is how on earth could Adam & Eve have grand children?? coz in order to have grand kids the Son and the Daughter needs to sleep with some human and Literally the only humans on the planet they could sleep with is either their Sibling or their Parent.
muzammilali007 1 year ago
@muzammilali007 thats what christians do. thats y they so fucking retarded
Fudg3M0nk3y91 1 year ago
@Fudg3M0nk3y91 fraid not, learn modern christian teaching plz
turdpolish704 1 year ago
@turdpolish704 So genesis makes no sense but the rest of the bible does? LOL
Judicial78 1 year ago
@Judicial78 no. most of the old testament is not taken literally, as they contradict what is scientifically proven or are not really proven to have any historical accuracy. Events in the new testament are taken literally, as there is A LOT of historical evidence suggesting Jesus existed, even historians who do not agree that God exists agree that Jesus did in one way or another.
turdpolish704 1 year ago
@turdpolish704 Yes cause you can prove with science that water can turn into wine, people can walk on water, and raise others from the dead. It's real convenient to pick and choose what you want to believe in, and discard the rest.
Judicial78 1 year ago
@Judicial78 you can disprove with science that god created the world in 6 days but you cannot disprove what Jesus did. Besides we do not pick and choose the 2 greatest commandments are to love God and treat everybody as you would like to be treated. That is the core belief of all christian theology. That is the primary belief and it will never be changed
turdpolish704 1 year ago
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banana1337kivi 1 year ago
@turdpolish704 That's correct my friend. U tell em! And don't 4get folks, ALL this talk about religion, yet none about SPIRITUALITY! Cause that's what it's really all about. All you agnostics & atheist out there, NOW is the time 4 u all to at least LEARN about religions & GOD, cause believe me, if you DON'T in this life, then ur just gonna be playing catch up in the AFTERLIFE! Take it from someone who knows & has had contact on the other side. IT'S REAL!
therealraybaby 1 year ago
@therealraybaby Oh, you have contacts on the other side :-) , you will be rich.
There are unlimited with fools that will pay you to tell what the dead say.
But, did not the bible say that the dead are dead until the judgment day, the end of the world, where they get the life back and be sorted as good or evil , not depending of what they did in life, but only if they said they love Jesus before their death or not., or did I get your story book wrong?
ytbabbler 1 year ago
@therealraybaby Enjoy dying your last breath and seeing nothing after that, having wasted your entire life in a delusion. How sad.
Judicial78 1 year ago
@Judicial78 Get ta know me in this life & when we get 2 da next one, look me up and we'll have a drink 2gether & talk about the good ol days on planet earth. :-)
therealraybaby 1 year ago
@therealraybaby I prefer the company of rational people not brain washed by their parents religion, or any other for that matter.
Judicial78 1 year ago
@Judicial78 but, according to you there is nothing after death? Therefore everything and anything you do in life is pointless? I'd rather spend it believing in something worthwhile even if God did not exist. (obviously though God does exist)
turdpolish704 1 year ago
@turdpolish704
Everything you do in life is pointless for the cosmos, there are no laws of physics in this vast universe which gives an explicit meaning for humans.
All you do will eventually be pointless for all humans aswell.
But does it matter? You're dead, it's not like you can be there and weep over it.
Everything matters for YOU, and you can put a meaning to it while you live.
When there is no greater meaning, then that means clean slates, create your own.
Serethen 1 year ago
@turdpolish704 Give me a break you are delusional. And as for your core beliefs I have yet to see a truly good natured christian. most people follow religion for self serving reasons, either to take advantage of others or to attain "paradise" or some other fantasy that is purely selfish.
Judicial78 1 year ago