IAAF World Cup 1985 - 4x100 women GDR 41.37 WR

[bhodgerrr]

This record will be broken by the US women at the 2012 Olympics with absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind

[smoothnubian]

@bhodgerrr yesssirrr

[sshanan1]

Its a world record... with style!! Their time is still to be matched. Untouched for d past 26 years!! Thats quarter a century. Legendary.....

[manforU100]

i was remembered after world championship 1991, when Katrin Krabbe fall in drugs issue,, till now we didn't see any superb sprinter from Germany (west) anymore,, I mean,,little bit confuse here ,in last 70 till 90, Germany produce some talented and blasted sprinter like marrita Koch, Silke Gladish, Marlies Ghor,Katrin Krabbe,, compare it with US & Jamaican,, where are the German? they need more drugs??

[twannifufu]

And where are the Germans now in the grand scheme of Athletics... Maybe there should be another Cold War period and they can be on top again.

[Znie1]

Happy birthday to 3.oldest World record in Track and Field,,I saw it live on TV ,6.10.1985.Marlies Göhr ran 9 world records in 4x100m relays..

[Clifton100]

the world record hasn't been broken in 26+ years! This doesn't happen with men. Are the women dedicated or not? I know they don't get paid as much maybe but damn. I'm not 26 yrs old yet.

[flipbkboi]

OMG DRUGS! WHITE PEOPLE DONT RUN THAT FAST LMAO

[joshpurwar]

@flipbkboi like black people cant swim, oh, now im racist

[bigfanofzootycoon]

Omg woww i always wondered which womens team had the world record for the 4x100 and when i found it out it was east germany i was like O_O wtffff

[xismxist]

together with womens 4x400, flojo(100 and 200m), marita koch and gabriele reinsch is this the hardest record. top 5

[DrugPoznan]

@xismxist Yes and = drugs...

[xismxist]

@DrugPoznan your probarly right :(

[xismxist]

@DrugPoznan btw i forgot jackie joyner kersee!!!

[shadow1985ism]

i hear that these girls were on testosterone before the race(synthetic test wasnt detectable back then so they jabbed up before walking on track). and also there was a lot of oral turinabol going on and probably more shit. Apparently if a girl spoke with to deep a voice she was told by her coaches not to give interviews lol i dunno how much of that is true but no.1 they are running inhumanely quickly, its almost athough the GDR lane is in fast foward and No.2: those are some hairy ass armpits!!

[run3hours]

Marlies Gohr made another world record in this relay.

She was really incredible!

[saxonfield]

No offence, but the East Germans and the Russians were talking the steriods and now they had to pay for the consequences of their actions. E.g: Health problems.

[saxonfield]

My god look at the hairs underneath her armpits.

[19091975]

Good Times for the GDR!!

[munkhut]

every country dope with anabolika in the 80´s..east germans,usa,usssr...

[beebeechitown]

Four "women" so dope saturated that their clits were probably larger than the average man's penis, setting a 'world woman's record". Lol.

[beebeechitown]

4x100 drug addicts. World's fastest dopers.

[camberra1985]

@beebeechitown florence griffit jonier-drug-drug-dopaje-drug-a­ddic-dopers-FLORENCE FRIFFIT JOINER-DRUG-DRUG-DRUG- DRUG- EN 1988-EN 1988

[kmb9624]

@beebeechitown My goodness.! Listen, it's moot to bemoan that the most of the athletes in the former Eastern bloc countries were on steroids. Besides, it was common knowledge back then & accepted. Doesn't make it right, but it was a fact. However, what the East Germans did well, drugs or not, was run relays. I want this 41.37 to stand as a testament to their greatness. The U.S. & JAM federations should send a contingent to learn how the GDR trained its sprinters. They were the best.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beebeechitown]

@kmb9624 Lol. And I do not disagree with you friend....I was embroiled in another geographic battle.

All is well.

[kmb9624]

@kmb9624 I feel ya Homey.! Lot a peeps downin' the USA. I guess we gotta take our hits & lumps along wit' everyone else. Some of our high profile drug cheats have hurt our credibility. Back in da day, America pontificated about designer drugs & demonized the former Eastern bloc, but all a few of our own did was the exact same thing.

Let the JAMs' have they say, it's cool. Instead, the USA, we need to re-establish our respectdo on the track.

[camberra1985]

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[camberra1985]

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[twannifufu]

And where is Germany now. In the sprint world, they are practically non existent - thanks stricter drug laws. I wonder if this record were to be smashed by U.S. or Jamaica, would I be quick to say it's due to the drugs? With all this controversy, track is not as much fun to watch anymore cuz everyone is being accused of doping and there are very few raw talents out there - our generation really has no Jesse Owens' or Evelyn Ashfords. I do love Allyson Felix, Sonya Richards, and Tyson Gay.

[1nizza]

Very good record.....with 3 liters of steroids.

[htownhomie06]

yeah, considering how doped up GDR was during this time, I'm actually stunned they didn't go 40. how many teams, USA, JAM, BAH have run 41-mids & could easily be faster than 41.3 with better exchanges?

[JorgeDan75]

Get us the split times, please!!

However this race is fantastic!

[bzach71]

Nice one Johny. When the germans unite, i thought they are going to be a superpower...athletics and swimming!!..but surprise surprise..they falter big time....I miss their supremacy.

[Mich2345]

Don't forget 1972 when West Germany won over East. One Nation had 8 runners at the top of the world.

[sivromes]

That Silke's time was faster than Usain Bolt's...come on people that is steroids at its finest!!!

[mochano1]

Well regardless of whether or not these girls were using performane enhancing drugs, i believe this record is close to falling (i think it would have been broken in the 08 olympics if the jamaicans didnt drop the baton). Campbell, Stewart, Fraser, and Simpson would have had this record without a doubt...i think they can still break it even with the absence of Simpson. I also have to give mention to the US who recently clocked 41.58 this year. this years world championship will be interesting.

[ROMPERSTOMPER21]

omg!!! she overtook like what 3 other runners outside her on the first leg, fuckin theyre sum steroids those german athletes were on lol

[mmbmusa]

The second to last GDR girl has a muscle pull or am i just seeing double?

From 0:34 onwards!!

[lukezclay]

I think she's just celebrating a little early...

[bzach71]

Ingrid Auerswald-Lange....luckily that happened after she gave the baton to Goehr.

[bahamasgangsta]

i have never seen sombody run down someone on the first leg NEVA!!!!!!

[JBLACK12]

That first leg by Gladisch is fastest I've ever seen a woman run. Faster than Flo-Jo, faster than anybody. Incredible what drugs can do.

[turboreattore]

I don't think anybody in the world anytime anywhere could be more doped than Flo Jo in 1988. All east germans were doped but they are still alive, Flo Jo killed at 39 because of his too massive doping

[JBLACK12]

You're absolutely right; she was. There is no way she could have ran those times without some kind of chemical assistance.

Someone made a commented on Marita Koch earlier. Doped or not, Koch still remains one of the most gifted athletes of all time. She held world records in the both the 200 and the 400, and could have easily have been near the top in the 100 if she had commited herself to that event.

Her 400m world record is otherworldly. Everyone was doped. East Germany just did it better.

[sequiaonda78]

Is true Silke-Gladisch open leg is the fastest ever.

[bahamasgangsta]

why coudnt silke gladisch run like that in the 100m

[bahamasgangsta]

in beijing the jamaican team would have beaten this record

[sequiaonda78]

Perhaps... they has the speed.. only they need to make thing right.,

[run3hours]

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[aretold]

I agree with you aquamarineeyes. The western always too jealous with the success of eastern block athletes. Now they pointed their fingers to Jamaican sprinters of taking drugs.

[sequiaonda78]

Anybody know if Marita Koch, became a man?

[gorhman]

You should be more repectful . And the answer to your question is no. She is in her fifties and happily married with her trainer Wolfgang Meier. She manage a sport shop in Rostock, Germany, and is mother of a daughter. In her shop there is no reference to her sport carrer so that she can make sure people there go for shopping and nothing else. You should know Marita Koch is personally shy and discreet and one of the most talented athletes in the history of track and field.

[Cippen88]

Right... The fact that DDR supplied her with drugs isn't relevant. I totally agree... -_-

[RFSA88]

No there are no references to her 'achievements' in Athletics because she was doped up for her entire cheating career worse than a ten cent crack whore.

[aquamarineeyes]

there is NO EVIDENCE to support this and don't spout the usual "I saw it is wikipedia clap trap" nonsense as anyone with half a brain knows that can be "altered" by anyone if they so wish!

[karrtt1234]

She was very talented and she used drugs like many others.. people do forget that these athletes had to have talent before, or the drugs alone, were not going to be enough...

[HotChixAndMusic]

@gorhman I disagree, Marita isn't one of the most talented athletes in the history of track and field, she is THE most talented athlete in the history of track and field. Even fully doped up athletes like Johnson, Lewis etc, only increased their raw speed. Michael Johnson only had endurance which is why he never ran below 200. Yet Marita set WR's at 60m, 200, 400, and was an integral part of the 4x100 too. NO athlete has ever had such an exhilarating combination of speed AND endurance as Marita

[sequiaonda78]

@HotChixAndMusic Well, she was a great athlete, but I personally think she is not the greatest. I prefer Ottey to awarded as the greatest... check the facts and then comment. Thanks.

[HotChixAndMusic]

@gorhman Marita isn't one of the most talented athletes in the history of track and field, she is THE most talented athlete in the history of track and field. Even fully doped up athletes like Johnson, Lewis etc, only increased their raw speed. Michael Johnson only had endurance which is why he never ran below 200. Yet Marita set WR's at 60m, 200, 400, and was an integral part of the 4x100 too. NO athlete has ever had such an exhilarating combination of speed AND endurance as Marita

[Marslander2030]

@HotChixAndMusic Johnson were exactly the complementar of Carmelita Jeter, please don't misunderstand my statement, i'm her fan but her resistance to lactic acid is near zero, until she will never be able to run around 51.0 in the 400 VCB will always be two meters ahead of her.Even Shalonda Solomon far mor resistent than her isn't faster than 53 secs in the 400, at the opposit Walter Dix, Tyson Gay, Xavier Carter & Usain Bolt are good or even excellent also in the 400.

[aquamarineeyes]

Anybody know if you are an ASSHOLE sequiaonda78 you ANTI GERMAN RACIST! You should be ashamed of yourself!

[sequiaonda78]

Well I just gave my opinion.. that is all, pal. But I respect your opinion, but don't mine. God bless you.

[berlinmitte10117]

I guess they were on speed lol

[camberra1985]

no me sorprende la marca ya que este equipo se donocia desde el año 1979.mehubiera gustado que estuviera participando -EEUU-,pienso que el año 1985 marco el comienzo del ciclo final de las

mis idolos de mi juventud las eztraordinarias alemanas orientales

[lalomir2000]

German Discipline + Communist System + Doping(?) = superathletes Yes, the start is superlative..and the sprint of Marlies Göhr! O_O

[irishbeef1]

This was the golden era of athletics, who cares if they were doping, it was great to watch, the only way everyone will be equal is to stop drug testing completely. For me Marita Koch is the great female athlete of all time.

[cabsta136]

Silke Gladisch-Moller 10.0 for her opening leg

[Lucaserus]

Silke Möller is my history teacher :P

[marcosomag]

gdr team 4x100 with Marita Koch, the best ever!

[Icecoldhard]

you love the drugs dont you

[aquamarineeyes]

Marita Koch was the best ever! her 400m World Record will stand for a very VERY long time and she was clean unlike the Queen of Steroids Flo Jo.

[violin614]

41.37?

I don't understand! Doesn't this mean that the average 100m was less than 10.35?

What woman on earth ever had a history of 100m in anywhere near 10.35 seconds?

[claudioxl]

if you take into account that the relay runners are not starting from standing still you can make those times

[violin614]

Ah, so the speed is the same?

[kaer89]

Zapiernicza jak mały samochodzik. Ciekawe, czy tankowała bezołowiową...

[datadarokki]

steroids

[camberra1985]

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[meathead2001]

LOL, white women can run!

[gorhman]

(cont)even when an athlete of the GDR, or another socialist country, was tested at a risky moment, i.e., when her or his urine was expected to still contain metabolites of synthetic steroids or an above-normal T:E ratio, there was no reason to panic. From the written records, it appears that, usually, one of the members of the international doping control committee was able to clear away the sample

[gorhman]

During the 1975 European Junior Championships in Athens, Greece, the 17-year-old rising 100-m sprint star, Marlies Oelsner, later known as Marlies Göhr, a world-record holder and Olympic gold medal winner, tested positive for androgenic steroids but the result was not published by the European Association. Then in fall 1977, the female shot-put star Ilona Slupianek was found positive for nandrolone at a Europe Cup meeting in Helsinki and was banned. However,she was soon allowed to compete again

[gorhman]

(cont)and to improve her German record in the summer of 1978, and in 1980 to win the Olympic gold medal and improve the world record to 22.45 m. These were the only two cases in which GDR athletes had ever publicly tested positive for steroids.

[jibjobjab]

I say make the athletes take lie detectors. If they are clean they will have no problem taking a test will they?

[mc1703]

lie detectors don't work

[RabCGiblet]

East German team were not built like dopers like Jones etc. All 4 were of thin build.

And if they had of been dopers surely the Aussie testing would of sussed them.

Have to give them the benefit here.

[butler372]

Sprinters trained differently in those days, they really never worked out with weights, thats why they didn't have the big muscles. Also most drugs during the eastern block years were mainly male hormones, unlike today were most of the drugs are for endurance and recovery!

[RabCGiblet]

I disagree, you cannot say that koch and kratchiovia had the same stuff. 2 totally different athletes. I read Kochs training regime in her Biography and her training was not to different to Michael Johnsons, and we dont question his endeavours do we? And koch went on to have a family as well as other Eastern block sprinters. Some i know like swimmers and throwers became ill later on, but koch i believe was protected better than others despite what the so called statsis later showed.

[butler372]

???????

[RabCGiblet]

!!!!!!!

[aquamarineeyes]

Marita Koch was the real deal as an athlete and her season after season after season at the top of the tree emphasised that unlike the so called "superstar" of Flo Jo who only had one season at the top in 1988. Americans are good to point fingers at other countries but their fingers are crooked. They are all pointed back at them. They should read a book called "Speed Trap" which exposes their athletes once and for all!

[mc1703]

Koch was obviously doped. look at the speed which she runs the first 200 of her 47.60 - and still has the endurance in the straight. That sort of performance is NOT NATURAL.

Why do you think no one is running within 0.5 of a second of that time 23 years on with modern science and facilities.

To even consider her to be a clean athlete is ridiculous.

[RabCGiblet]

So what, and thats exactly the attitude of the authorities as well. Regardless of whether she was clean or not nothings getting done about it, therefore nothing changes. It was still an incredible run and will be remembered as such. Move on. Get over it, because except for a few on these pages its not even an issue.

[mc1703]

"So what"

I think that says it all...

[aquamarineeyes]

Jealousy is a terrible thing. I bet if the great Marita Koch was American it would be a different story.

[Icecoldhard]

i see on thse things all the time defending the druggists

[aquamarineeyes]

It is just a shame that there a decent athletes out there that get tainted by the same brush as the druggies of Marion Jones etc. Athletes like Seb Coe, Marita Koch, Ed Moses, Michael Johnson were all fantastic athletes for years - END OF!

[mc1703]

Koch!!! you are bonkers!!!

There was no out of competition testing. Of course they didn't catch her...

wake up and smell the coffee, the woman was a cheat. It doesn't matter what natinality you are, how nice/nasty you seem, if you set a WR in those days your performance is in doubt. Especially if it still stands.

[aquamarineeyes]

So what about Flo Jo ??? How do you explain how she was a nobody in 1987 then all of a sudden she became out of this world in 1988??? It would be more credible if Flo Jo could've sustained this level or anywhere near it either before or since (yeah yeah we all know she immediately retired after the 1988 Olympics). Flo Jo was a DRUGGIE!!!

[mc1703]

yeh she's a likely cheat too, what's your point. I'm a pesimist on these things.

you're preaching to the converted. hell it wouldn't really surprise me if lewis was doped.

[aquamarineeyes]

Well said RabCGiblet I second the comments u make regarding the great Marita Koch. It is all too easy for people to diss her achievements and say they were drug tainted but she NEVER got tested positive for ANYTHING so for me that is good enough. Seb Coe never got tested for anything either but no one would ever question his achievements in any way.

[RFSA88]

The drugs DO work!

It's sad as in the end nobody really wins. Times are set that no one can beat therefore stop considering. Athletes suffer sickness and death prematurely. The sport is tainted for generations. I say bring in random blood testing. 23 YEARS on this fake record still stands, teams since have rightly been concerned with medals not beating this bogus figure. Who knows when it will be legitimately surpassed.

[kroesius]

As we all now everbody is taking doping....

except the US Athletes.

They strictly believe in God. Their only doping are Gospel songs and their staunch patriotism.

So help me god.

[kroesius]

As we all now everbody is taking doping....

except the US Athletes.

They strictly believe in God. Their only doping are Gospel songs and their staunch patriotism.

So help me god.

[wegersfour]

It was documented right after the Berlin Wall

fell, that most of the East German swimmers,

and track and field stars were on performance

enhancers. Most of the other countries

were competing against cheats.

[cyruspogo]

I am trying to locate the entire mens 4x400 from this meet. Please help, it is amazing!

[gorhman]

Yes drugs, but what an incredible technic in her changings wich are perfect. That mean hours of training and its the clue for the record. Check the unified german team (Dreschler, krabbe, Breuer...)in 1991 world championships, what a chaos....Drugs dont make all the work!

[cucumb]

to gohrman true. shame the east germans used drugs. could have been fun to see how well they would do without drugs. the had a effecient system of finding talents and training them. shame shame - could have been so nice to see Koch in 400m without drugs. So sad if she could have the W.R. without drugs in a way. I know she hasn´t admitted to taking drugs and maybe she hasn´t?

[404man]

dude their drug use was documented , nobody is shooting in the dark , the drug use by there athletes were systematic , duh !!

[VictoriaAbrilenAtame]

I suppose it is so easy to speculate and ramble about how things unfolded back in the day.

I don't think people should make accusations or be so presumptuous. There is so much to an athlete...perseverance, temperament, discipline, diet, etc.

People should think before they speak about a subject such as drug use in sports because it is all speculation.

[hurdler600]

no its not speculation its fact The GDR and the other 'Eastern bloc' countries were all on it look at Ludmila Kractocvilova. I saw her 10 years ago as a team manger for the Czech team she actually looked femail. Think back to those famous races between her and Koch. Athletics is in a hell of a mess with little credability, Im just waiting to see if Bolt and Powell et al will test positive. Isnt that a very pessimistic and sad thought, but I bet im not the only one thinking along those lines ?

[jibjobjab]

No your not. I think like that to.

[Goldstruck]

drugs

[PePinmySteP]

People say flo jo was clean just because she was tested like every other athlete, but hey what about marion jones (clear and epo) she always tested negative...

[Aarontlondon]

Isn't it amazing how the cold war had such an effect on althletics. The East Germans and Russians used to dominate this sport cause their governments thought it was effective propaganda, and now The Germans and the Russians are absolute nobodys in track and field cause they can't get away with the drug taking anymore. All their records should be wiped!

[PePinmySteP]

well actualy the russians girls are still here, not in the sprints event but in the world championships they always finish 2nd or 3rd in the medal table.

[Aarontlondon]

yes that's true, But the dominance they used to have across sport is gone. I only associate them with shot-puts and discus' now, it wasn't like that 15 years ago

[aretold]

Yes, I agreed with you rochelleluv. I just surfed wikipedia. I believe that america has a systematic doping program for its athlete.

[jepsst]

sile moller is doping

[rochelleluv]

listen ppl american should be called the the land of doping for god sakes go to wikipedia and look for list of athletes for drugs and see how american athletes stand out incredibly in this list it could even be a world record for god sakes

[arahf]

nciht zu glauben dass das sauber sein soll...

[sorenbraybrook]

..?

[arahf]

ja?

[sorenbraybrook]

ok.

[SamuraiChamp276]

stypid fuking doping shit.. makes sport lose intrests. It's good that testing has gotten better nowdays. But i bet there still are people who use doping. And a line what u can use and can't might not be so clear nowdays.

[conali]

mate no offence or nuttin but most of these records are held by eastern eurpean drugged up robots u get me even now there still all drugged up the yankees 2

my view is that the eastern europeans n the americans= biggest cheats in athletics

[Dementedhighlander]

I also hope no woman ever beats flojos records. Because then the whole circle will start again and all it will do is hurt the sport. But as i have said many times previous this debate will go on forever more.

[Dementedhighlander]

Oh dear looks like we have a case of suffering with Tourettes syndrome here. You want to go and listen to yourself "Magician!!" And i'll tell you now if she was clean shed be alive today bringing up a family and been happy.

Unfortunetely she sacrificed that for olympic glory. Bad decision.

[ALYAHS4]

why must we continue to hate on flo jo. she was tested like every other athlete. one day her record will be broken when the next phenom comes along, until then she will remain the greatest woman sprinter in history. 10.4 21.3 ())48.1 relay split

[lacheyrulez]

I hope no one ever beats flo jo at all.

[hurdler600]

She didnt get caught because the testing was so inferior to the drugs she was taking. You can only test for drugs that you are aware of. Just look at the latest designer drugs. Did you know she was told to retire after Seoul. The Olympic committee didnt want a second high profile athlete after Johnson to be disqulaified. No other Olympic champion in recent times has ever retired so soo after. They compete on the circuit to cLaim there rewards

[roxroyd]

can somebody tell me which they did not remove the records of 41.37 for east germany,12.21 donkova,47.60 marita koch,10.49/21.34 flo jo, 800 record all of those were drug addicts she should be disqualified

[lacheyrulez]

Are u fucking retarted you should listen to you self only one of therm u named was caught, flo jo never took anything if she did she would have been caught, she is a magicien u no.

[doiron98]

how do you know she was clean you fool

[zim83]

Oh yes, I always state those records should be wiped out from the books and I invariably forgot to mention Yordanka Donkova's massive 12.21; maybe it's just because she went on with her career when the Iron Curtain fell (albeit in a less competitive fashion and with more modest PBs) but it's clear to me she was also doped.

[roxroyd]

old drug mules usa east germany women

[Rettamann]

They weren't caught when they were competing but when the wall came down there were files found syaing that doping had been used to prove that doping had been done. That's why there's no benefit of the doubt with the East germans. Anyone who follows track and field knows that the cheats are always one step ahead of the testers.

[chigaloo2]

Ifs, its all ifs they were not caught doping. So just like jones and flojo we will have to give the benefit of the doubt wont we??!!

[KayBlaze03]

I read that this team was drugged up as well. One athlete, not in this relay, but a part of the East German team, that was suspended for doping was Katrina Krabbe. If they had been caught doping, the U.S women would have the world record with their time of 41.47s from the W.C in Athens 1997. It is currently second on the all-time best list behind this race. Gaines, Jones, Miller, and Devers tore the track apart!! Does anyone have that race?

[realozzman]

It'sa Team effort Man!Team effort!

[Warmachine300]

Great talent!

[jebjoncula]

Drugged up freaks.

[lacheyrulez]

ha that is slow compared to how fast flo jo ran her 100m in her relay, she ran a 8.5 second when she used all her speed, and starting off in a relay is slower.

[tekena7]

yeah, the US cant talk about doping (hi FloJo!) LOL

[zn4jp]

Steroids or not, those handoffs are a thing of beauty.

[cucumb]

Amazing. Did not know it stood today?! Did you know Heike Dressler once had the 200 m world record together with another german - Marita Koch?

[jaiitooshy]

Taking the P!!!!

[soccerbadmint]

steroids! no way that could happen...the US has always seemed to have been the most successful in the 4x100 and hasn't even gotten that record yet, just like Flo Jo's record and the 400m and 800m records. looks cool tho.

[qwsedfg76]

"US has always seemed to have been the most successful..."

lol, speaking of doping...

[bambamsowner]

wow! that was amazing!