The 40 days of Lent are days of weeping for Tammuz, who, at age 40, was gored to death by a wild boar. The forty-first day of this fast falls on the celebration of the reincarnation of Semiramis, Tammuz' mother, as Ishtar, the Queen of Heaven. Her reincarnation is celebrated after the vernal equinox, on the first Sunday named in her honor: Easter. Ishtar, Isis, Astarte, Ashtoreth, Oestre, all mean star, & this star we now call "Sirius," the Dog Star. Ishtar & her infant son are often portrayed.
I understand your confusion. I like to think of it like this;
God, the creator of all things planned everything in the moment of the big bang. He knew the begining and the end. He DID give us free will, but he knows US so well that he knows what choices we will make, and therefore the out come of all things. I guess it is important to remember that God is not a human being, and not bound by our perception of reality.
@CarlosMarti123 If the outcome of our actions is known beforehand, we are just puppets. If you could force another outcome as the one foreseen by god, then your god is no longer omniscient.. You can``t have an omniscient god and free-will at the same time
@CarlosMarti123 That is right if your mother foresees what you are going to do, She just guesses, given your usual behavior what your are going to do. But you can easily force another outcome as the one she guessed. But with an omniscient being you can`t., because then he is no longer omniscient. If you force another outcome as the one foreseen by god, how can this god being omniscient ?
@tallliza The problem is, you DON'T KNOW what that outcome is, so YOU are still entirely responsible for your actions and choices. Knowing the result of a choice from an external point of view does not limit the person carrying out a decision, nor does the observer affect the person in any way.
@CarlosMarti123 Again your reasoning doesn`t hold water when there is an omniscient being involved. It doesn`t matter if you yourself don`t know the outcome. Would you answer my question please. If you can force another outcome as the one foreseen by god, is this god still omniscient ? Yes or No ?
@CarlosMarti123 Good diversion tactic. Beating around the bush . I am still waiting for the answer to my question. If the word "force"' bothers you.. simply replace it with.. can you COME to a different outcome. But maybe you need an explanation of the word .. come.. too . It is funny how you avoid to answer a simple question.
@tallliza I am not avoiding your answer, it's just that you're either a) too retarded, or b) blind to read what I wrote. READ IT, then we can talk (unless you're too stupid to understand that too?)
@CarlosMarti123 I am not talking with a clown, who can`t write 5 words without an insult. Typical gospel spirit. If I were you I would be ashamed to call myself a christian.
@tallliza Well, seeing as you didn't address my response, I don't see why you would bother to reply at all. This conversation's now over until you have the maturity to read what I wrote.
@tallliza You can't read at all, can you? T-H-E A-N-S-W-E-R: YOU CANNOT "FORCE" A DECISION, SUCH A STATEMENT IS MEANINGLESS. Such question would be like asking: What color does blue smell like? IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. Got it?
@tallliza Do I need to make myself clearer? Free will: The ability to make a decision between two or more viable options independently of any other entity making such a decision. It doesn't MATTER what the outcome of such a decision is, the question is whether the PERSON is MAKING the decision.
Your question: Can you "force" another decision than that forseen by God?
My answer: No, you cannot.
Your question: Does that mean free will doesn't exist?
I understand your confusion. I like to think of it like this.
God, the creator of all things planned everything in the moment of the big bang. He knew the begining and the end. He DID give us free will, but he knows US so well that he knows what choices we will make, and therefore the out come of all things. I guess it is important to remember that God is not a human being, and not bound by our perception of reality.
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
Why is this flagged as spam? It makes perfect sense comming from one of the smartest men to walk the planet during the modern age. The human mind is frail and feeble, to think anything else is to be deluded.
The 40 days of Lent are days of weeping for Tammuz, who, at age 40, was gored to death by a wild boar. The forty-first day of this fast falls on the celebration of the reincarnation of Semiramis, Tammuz' mother, as Ishtar, the Queen of Heaven. Her reincarnation is celebrated after the vernal equinox, on the first Sunday named in her honor: Easter. Ishtar, Isis, Astarte, Ashtoreth, Oestre, all mean star, & this star we now call "Sirius," the Dog Star. Ishtar & her infant son are often portrayed.
OKandNOWwhat 10 months ago
Jesus was just a prick on a cross
erikpkoskela 11 months ago
@erikpkoskela Scum bag!!
bryancar70 1 week ago
i also have been getting the shit kicked out of me for years too .
goatphilososphy 11 months ago
haha yall believe in an old bearded pervert that flies around in the sky and rapes virgins in their sleep! Biblefags!
sandsiblings2 11 months ago
@killerqop Correct. Thanks
tallliza 11 months ago
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@killerqop
I understand your confusion. I like to think of it like this;
God, the creator of all things planned everything in the moment of the big bang. He knew the begining and the end. He DID give us free will, but he knows US so well that he knows what choices we will make, and therefore the out come of all things. I guess it is important to remember that God is not a human being, and not bound by our perception of reality.
Semicon07 11 months ago
@Semicon07 If you believe in an omniscient god, you can``t have... free will..
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza Why?
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 If the outcome of our actions is known beforehand, we are just puppets. If you could force another outcome as the one foreseen by god, then your god is no longer omniscient.. You can``t have an omniscient god and free-will at the same time
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza How do you get from 'actions known beforehand' to 'being puppets'?
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Can you force another outcome as the one foreseen by god ?
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza I'm not forcing anything. Foreknowledge of the results of choices does not 'force' a particular option nor does it limit the decision.
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 That is right if your mother foresees what you are going to do, She just guesses, given your usual behavior what your are going to do. But you can easily force another outcome as the one she guessed. But with an omniscient being you can`t., because then he is no longer omniscient. If you force another outcome as the one foreseen by god, how can this god being omniscient ?
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza The problem is, you DON'T KNOW what that outcome is, so YOU are still entirely responsible for your actions and choices. Knowing the result of a choice from an external point of view does not limit the person carrying out a decision, nor does the observer affect the person in any way.
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Again your reasoning doesn`t hold water when there is an omniscient being involved. It doesn`t matter if you yourself don`t know the outcome. Would you answer my question please. If you can force another outcome as the one foreseen by god, is this god still omniscient ? Yes or No ?
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza Once again, I'll repeat what you didn't have either the time or the care to read:
YOU CANNOT "FORCE" A DECISION IF YOU DON'T KNOW ITS OUTCOME
What do you even MEAN by "forcing a decision"? Good job making up nonsense.
"Again your reasoning doesn`t hold water when there is an omniscient being involved."
Really? It's funny how you don't explain how, despite my arguments to the contrary.
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Good diversion tactic. Beating around the bush . I am still waiting for the answer to my question. If the word "force"' bothers you.. simply replace it with.. can you COME to a different outcome. But maybe you need an explanation of the word .. come.. too . It is funny how you avoid to answer a simple question.
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza I am not avoiding your answer, it's just that you're either a) too retarded, or b) blind to read what I wrote. READ IT, then we can talk (unless you're too stupid to understand that too?)
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 I am not talking with a clown, who can`t write 5 words without an insult. Typical gospel spirit. If I were you I would be ashamed to call myself a christian.
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza Well, seeing as you didn't address my response, I don't see why you would bother to reply at all. This conversation's now over until you have the maturity to read what I wrote.
Kudos :)
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Yes, indeed, its over, until you have the maturity to answer a question, or until you admit that you have no answer
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza You can't read at all, can you? T-H-E A-N-S-W-E-R: YOU CANNOT "FORCE" A DECISION, SUCH A STATEMENT IS MEANINGLESS. Such question would be like asking: What color does blue smell like? IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. Got it?
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Master of diversion. Answer my question, or admit you can`t. If there ia anything that doesn`t make sense, it`s your comment.
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza Do I need to make myself clearer? Free will: The ability to make a decision between two or more viable options independently of any other entity making such a decision. It doesn't MATTER what the outcome of such a decision is, the question is whether the PERSON is MAKING the decision.
Your question: Can you "force" another decision than that forseen by God?
My answer: No, you cannot.
Your question: Does that mean free will doesn't exist?
My answer: No, it does not.
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 You still make a lot of blablabla. Answer my question . but YOU CAN`T.
tallliza 11 months ago
@killerqop
I understand your confusion. I like to think of it like this.
God, the creator of all things planned everything in the moment of the big bang. He knew the begining and the end. He DID give us free will, but he knows US so well that he knows what choices we will make, and therefore the out come of all things. I guess it is important to remember that God is not a human being, and not bound by our perception of reality.
Semicon07 11 months ago 2
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@killerqop
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
A.Einstein
123MIURA 11 months ago
@123MIURA
Why is this flagged as spam? It makes perfect sense comming from one of the smartest men to walk the planet during the modern age. The human mind is frail and feeble, to think anything else is to be deluded.
Semicon07 11 months ago
@Semicon07 "All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree."
This is attitude I like. Fanatic atheism brings only hatred- just like fanatic everything.
His quotes proves that the smartest people are usually the modest ones.
123MIURA 11 months ago
ExposingChristianitydotcom
GahdeMalprigi1488x 11 months ago