"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance. The motions of the planets require a Divine arm to impress them." Sir Isaac Newton
slow to anger... as i recall the story, it didn't take yahweh long to get pissy when the isralites complained about being thirsty, or hungry, or tired, or when they said they were better off as slaves, having had food, water, shelter and safety as well as herds and crops
and out of all those israelites, two made it to the 'promised land'
"athiest" was in quotes because I was responding to a video by Way of the Master which misspelled "atheist". I guess you posted your comment before watching my video.
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If sin should not be forgiven, then Christians should stop saying that their god is a forgiving one or that Jesus acted to so God could forgive us our sins.
Also, if God is perfect, how could he create an imperfect creation?
Your answer doesn't work logically. Evidence goes against us having free will (see Benjamin Libet's experiments). Second, A&E were total innocents. They didn't understand that to disobey the god was evil/wrong.
If god cannot accept sin and requires human or animal blood sacrifice... then that is not forgiveness. That is demanding restitution/payment. Your god is not a forgiving god. To forgive is to drop the debt owed.
If we are "incapable of doing anything good", then our flaw is inherent in us. That means that your god CREATED us flawed. Your god created an imperfect creature because we have no real choice in the matter. Your argument contradicts itself.
In your one and two choices you forgot to mention the creator is eternal. The eternal creator who was not created, who created the universe. Put that aside though, If you don't believe in creation, then this video was not made by you. It just appeared. And so nothing we think we have created was by us. So is the universe the creator? Or is a quark named simon our creator? Oh wait you don't believe in creation...so then the universe just appeared as your video did.
First you have to prove their was a creator and then you have to prove that it is eternal.
Second, your claim that if I don't believe in Creationism then nothing can be created is using faulty logic. Just because I don't think that a snowflake is "Created" (It comes about by the complex interaction of natural laws), doesn't mean that I think a pocketwatch could not be created.
@rayman811 saying that the universe just appeared is the same as saying it was created, your just adding some god to it thats magical and makes even less sense.
@errskin Ok, So the big bang made the universe what it is. Parallel dimensions collided and thats what caused the big bang. Parallel dimensions are just there because we haven't found a scientific theory of how they were formed. Oh I have a theory...maybe when a universe such as ours expands too far then it starts to collapse back on it's self and when it goes back into that central point of infinite mass it actually becomes two parallel universes. Still doesn't explain how the first got there.
@rayman811 not having an explanation of how the first got there doesn't mean god did it. your argument is commonly referred to as the god of the gaps, its where a gap of knowledge is found and god is shoved in there as an explanation because we dont really know the real explanation. its a logical fallacy. not knowing how the universe began does not mean god did it. it means you dont know.
@errskin Point taken. It means we all don't know. So there in fact, my theories have just as much relevance as anyone else's. You have faith in your beliefs of how everything came to be and I have mine. There will be nothing that changes our views. The only thing I'd suggest is to think for yourself and stop referring to conversation as relating to some other argument you've had or witnessed. Truth comes from an open mind and an open conversation.
Actually, no. Science is built upon testable theories and evidence. Prove one theory wrong, scientists craft a new one that incorporates what they have learned. This makes science self-correcting, where it becomes closer and closer to a true picture of reality.
Yours, on the other hand, is believed without any method of determining truth from fiction. How is that more relevant? Answer, it's not.
@imrational Well if you are so sure of your theories then why doesn't everyone believe what you do? Everyone is entitled to their own belief. You think that man is greater than God, or that God died or didn't exist. So be it. I believe he does exist and He created us how ever He wanted. We have our own choice to love Him or not. Because this life is but a blink on the eternal that is to be, we are presented with a short lifetime to choose. Take away everything but you, and ask, Why do I exist?
@rayman811 "Take away everything but you, and ask, Why do I exist?" - the answer is nobody knows, once again this is an argument form ignorance. not knowing something does not mean god is the answer. thats how indians used to explain rain. it was silly then and its silly now.
I'm not saying my theories are totally correct. I was saying that they are self-correcting and are based on evidence, unlike religious beliefs. As to why some people don't believe, y\ou are committing a logical fallacy called "argumentum ad populum". The number of people supporting a belief does not increase it's validity, i.e. the truth is not a popularity contest.
@imrational Everyone believes what has been proven as fact. That's what i was getting at. So what you believe right now is not fact, just as my belief is not fact. Theories are based on fact, but in the end they are still a theory. I'm done here, you guys obviously have it all figured out.
Facts are facts. Scientific theories are TESTABLE, meaning that we will search for a better theory that better explains facts we learn. Do i have it figured out? Nope.
Do you? You seem confident you do... why? How do you know absolutely that you are correct?
@imrational If you aren't confident, then why ask us. The whole point of god is saying we aren't under control, and it's not about us. It not only says 'Love God', it says 'Love someone as if God.' And the Bible was written by several philosophers, who all had different ways to describe god. And keep in mind, the human race and the world was shaped by religion. Some ways good, some bad. Anyway you look at it, you will always stare something in the face greater than you. Be it the universe or god
@rayman811 no, i dont have faith in anything, and my views can be changed. your theories about how everything came to be aren't at all valid because your claiming to know without any evidence. an argument from ignorance isn't valid. if you dont know something then you dont know it, it doesn't make crackpot ideas valid.
"I don't know" is a viable answer. To make up, "god did it" without testable theory or supporting evidence really isn't. That is a "god of the gaps" answer. Used previously to explain things like floods, lightning, disease, etc. The more we learn, the weaker that argument becomes.
@imrational So what is the starting point? You act as though you know the answer. How vast the universe looks to us, and yet we can visualize it as being small from a different view. There can only be one truth. Forget how something so basic as the universe being born. The real question is where has our intelligence arisen from? How does that form from a combination of atoms? If there is no design, why is there a distinct set of laws that our known universe follows? Random follows no laws.
One word...which God or god came back from the dead.....is it Jesus...or hmmmm..
there is proof . Look it up in the history of the church or not the bible since you dont believe it.....please take the time to look. Your after life depends on it.. remember someone created us and we have to answer to something or some God.. i am not taking any chances...Not playing it safe , just knowing that a God exist..Look up at the stars at night and you will see, WITH YOUR OWN EYES..TRUST ME.....GOD LOVESU
@MrBensutube If your not taking any chances then your "playing it safe". Since your not taking any chances why not go ahead and believe in the Pagon religion, or in Buddha or Allah? They have churches too as "proof" just like your religion. They even have books too.
In response to the last point: An eternal universe to my understanding would not be possible due to the laws of entropy, if I am correct. I don't want to propagandize and say right away that "god did it!", but in my opinion, it would be more logical to believe an uncaused higher intelligence gave birth to cause and effect.
the theory is called M-theory, and i'm familiar with it. Also, you said MULTIverse. that would be different universes being born and dying continuously. i was reffering to ONE universe lasting forever would be impossible.
Because all of the usable energy in the universe is being constantly being converted into unusable energy, entropy will keep increasing until there is no more usable energy left. from this, we must logically conclude the universe had a finite beginning.(the moment at which there was zero entropy.)
@tylermurch its contradictory to say that its impossible that the universe is eternal from what we know but then you suggest a "higher intelligence" exists which is impossible from what we know.
weak minded..hmmm it takes faith to believe in both sides of the spectrum..i like the side of God...cuz your choice leads to ........nothing. Its not convenience its smart.
see you on the other side..oh yea maybe not..its not worth taking the chance to believe in nothing, cuz at least i have something...
I don't understand how you could come to the conclusion that someone who has not seen evidence of a supreme being as leading them to anything. If you think the afterlife is nothing then I would be inclined to agree because we have all experienced it. Remember what it was like before you were conceived? Me too. Everyone does in fact. What is so difficult to understand? Scary to some maybe, but very simple, unlike your supreme being theory.
As priest of the Fling Spagetti Monster imrational I as you to put more cheese on things. XD
But on a serious matter, with all do respect you do not understand the doctrine of sin that well or sacrifice. I am not about proving god, or my great Lord Spagetti Monster, but I would love to share some discussion time with you.
well actually alot of archeologists have found those archieves from manuscripts in Israel..and second to the killing thing..that statement didnt make sense..the people from that land perverted the land and did alot of bad things about God..it says in the Bible that God is love but also consuming fire..the people occupying the land where doing perverted things and God kicked them out of the land..read the Bible alittle more and youll know..
"the massacres and wars that happened in the Bible was bc the promised land belonged to the Jews... so God let them eliminate the enemy to get the land that God gave them"
"God kicked them out of the land".
No, God's people were told to kill them off, including the babies.
My point made perfect sense. You were saying that cause God said the land was theirs, they could kill and enslave the people already living there.
you seriously havent read the Bible enough to know anything about it..4000 years? really? does it really matter the time? your saying God isnt merciful? if God did it, then doesnt ur statement mean nothing then? and the massacres and wars that happened in the Bible was bc the promised land belonged to the Jews and people we there occupying it..land that wasnt theirs..so God let them eliminate the enemy to get the land that God gave them..
4000 years refers to the Young Earth Creationist belief of a 6,000 year old earth, with Jesus being born 2,000 years ago.
Wow, so... if I tell you that God has spoken to me and told me that I should have your home and the homes of all your friends, I have the right to now kill you and take your property?!?
your also not making sense bc your saying that alot of religions are saying they are saying there gods are true gods...ok, but there is proof that Jesus resurrected from the grave..over 500 people have recorded seeing Jesus after His death on the cross..so God doesnt exist?Explain to everyone how Roman soldiers put Jesus in a grave and then Hes not there anymore..yea..explain the miracles that Jesus did that people from that time recorded have seen Him doing it..
Actually, the only record of 500 people seeing Jesus after his death is the New Testament... written DECADES after his death. That's it.
The son of the Creator of the entire fricking universe only has one record of his existence... the bible... and it wasn't written until around forty years after his death. That's not too good of an eyewitness account.
idk..but..your video doesnt make any sense..honestly which is easier to believe: that i was created, or i evolved from a monkey? idk..monkeys are still around..if mammals evolved from fish why are thre almost 5 trillion fish at sea? God is kind, He created humans to worship Him, and He sent a flood to destroy them..but He saved every specie and 8 people..then when the flood dried He promised He wouldnt do that..proves mercy..
@Renasboyfriend1 Please take a course on evoluton. Saying that one species evolved from another doesn't mean that the first species disappears. When you were born did your father disappear? How about your mother? Second, monkeys and humans share a common ancestor. Saying humans came from monkeys is like saying you came from your cousin. Completely wrong.
Well, I don't want to come off like a jerk... but focusing mainly on a misspelling shows that you are aiming your gun at the sky with no target in sight! BTW: your gun jammed!
aw... come on! Even Way of the Master had enough of a sense of humor to realize that I was being tongue-in-cheek. They even laughed when they did a radio show about the video
Hey, I think that the universe is probably eternal. But the explanations I have seen about the big bang with "there was no time or matter before the big bang" actually do sound as if they are saying "something came from nothing" which I can't accept.
If you can't accept "something can from nothing", where did the creator come from?
Where did the creator get the material to create the universe? If he created it from within himself and he is eternal, then the material is eternal too and you again have an "eternal universe". If he created it from nothing, then again, you have something from nothing.
no no myfriend, you are confusing me with a believer in god, I am not a believer in god or in a creator. I just say "nothing can come from nothing" so I say the universe must be eternal. no creator involved.
that was not a debate that was just an athiest with more knowlege of atheist life style then the christian life style going against it cause they dont want to believe there's a god cause they want to be the god of there life cause they have to meny sins in there life that they dont want to stop doing thats all... what ever its cool just do the sins you like to do athiest the truth will be found out when you die just leave it at that ok
you are a hipocrite. you have no idea about the athiest lifestyle, but criticize it. isn't that what u just said was not right?
first of all i DO want there to be a god, i just don't KNOW, because he just won't fucking show me, which probably means he doesn't excist, or that a different god(s) exsists.. which i hope is true. the christian god is probably one of the worst gods i could imagine; he's just a kid over an ant hill with a magnifying glass, and humans are the ants.
First, thanks for the background music. Is that Hot Club of France ? Great .
Bottom line: Life is a journey. You can travel the journey with Faith or without. It's a lot easier with Faith. it is one of the great eternal debates. Believe in something. It's the only way you'll get to find out for sure who is right.
Err, multiverse is just a theory that lacks evidence currently. It is pure speculation at this point and is an outgrowth of quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle. Basically it is one particular interpretation of Schrodinger wave mechanics. I'm sorry it is not real science as of yet.
Define jibes, is that a scientific term? I prefer theories that are based on observation and that have practical applications. That said its acceptance has been more for its beauty than its physical soundness. It's possible, but then again so is God.
Big bang .... Your odd ....Atheist scientists are saying The big bang isnt a complete theory .... As u ask me where did yr god come from ...i ask u too where did the universe come from ? if u think that all this universe is here cuz of a random calculations of natural elements ... then i shall come and slap u .. and when u ask me ... i tell i just slapped u with no reason .... who knows
The latest science is that we exist in a multiverse with universes being born and destroyed all the time. So where did our universe come from? From the Multiverse.
Now, we know this because of mathematics and our observations we have made. We have found evidence to support the Big Bang when we tested the theory. I'm not saying that your god doesn't exist. I'm saying there isn't any testable theory to find out.
The universe is spreading out post explosion (big bang)... so right now, everything is moving away. What happened before the big bang or later on from now is the question.
Latest theory is that we are part of an multiverse with universes being born and dying all the time.
imratiol, it is Logical for you to say you have not experienced him, but to say that in all time and space he doed not exist as a certainty, you would have to explore all time and space. where you able to do that one day while I was not looking? :D
I am a "Skeptic". I freely admit that a god or gods COULD exist, I just lack belief in them due to there not being a testable theory and supporting evidence for their existence.
Sure, you can call him a force of nature if you want, based on a lack of having him revealed to you, however if you pretend that because you have not experienced him the universe must bow to your limited view of reality, I will be happy to mock your god-complex. :D
If there is a god and he has not revealed himself to me, of course I would have a limited view of reality.
Santa Claus has not revealed himself to me either, so due to lack of a testable theory, supporting evidence, and illogical parts of his definition, it is only logical to lack belief that he exists.
Your premise is wrong sir. If you study a little deeper into the bible you would realise God forgave Adam and Eve according to the Bible when in instatuted to them the concept of animal sacrifice which was a symbol of Christ's sacrifice. I am not asking you to believe the teaching, however I thought it good to set your facts straight so you too do not look silly. Spelling is far less a concern to me that misrepresenting facts. Hope it helps you in your future movies. :)
also at the end why no just say "or an eternal creator?" doosh its easy to answer the last question to. sorry but your video is a bit rubbish to be frank. good luck with the research. take care
look into something before talking about it so openly. your opinion is fair enough. but start the video with "in my opinion" cos in my opinion your video is flawed. big time
its not contradictory. if you like the goal posts have moved. the rules have changed. we screwed up a second time so he changed the plan yet again. is also didn't take 4,000 years to forgive us for mans sin (if you belive that) it didn't take long actually. the second covenant. begins in a book called exodus and follows in leviticus. with the coming of the 10 comandments and the power to judge. judgement was then taken from man with the forgiveness of sins by jesus. we kept screing up judgement
also if you belive in genesis you will also understand that "just one time" of disobediance was pretty much the only thing god asks them not to do. but that is if you belive in genesis. otherwise you cannot use that as an argument because you don't belive in it. if you do then you can. but you don't. cos your athiest right?
i am pointing out the errors in the argument and all you can point out is a responce to someone being sarcastic? look the only point you made that was "true" is that they spelt atheist wrong. but whatever. i can understand why you would think there is evil and contradiction in the church when you have only experiance american catholicism, with its gay bashing. anti social beahvour followed by preaching for love and forgiveness, between capitalists and liars. one nation under god my arse!
your list is also very flawed. most of the gods in the list do not belong to religions who claim they are the one true god. infact looking at the list not one deity on that list is considered the one true god. infact it is mainly only Abrahamic faiths that consider a one true god. be that of many names ranging from Yahweh, Allah or Ishvara.
well you'd be arguing against your own quotation. you said "is the ONE true God" not just "true god." or "true gods". and then your list which follows only holds names of gods which are belived to be part of a group of gods. from greek and roman to aztec and hindu. plus i am not one to claim i know the "truth" i am not by any means going to come to you and tell you your wrong about your beliefs. i am just pointing out errors in your argument. i am perfectly open to being wrong.
No, you are not point out the flaws in my argument. You are pointing out the flaws in my poor wording. There is a difference.
I don't follow a written script in these things in order to sound more natural. Sometimes it comes back to bite me.
Many of the pantheon gods also had monotheism at one point. The Greeks kept on creating gods to explain who created their current ones. Chronos created the titans and greek gods, Gaiea created Chronos, Gaiea was created by Khaos, etc.
argh........... look. i was poiting out that you did not make one sinlge good argument in your video. its nothing to do with wording. your wrong about the one book. wrong with the gods. wrong with that qeustion at the end cos if your think god created the univurse you could easily assume he was infinate. the only true point you made was that you watched a video and they spelt atheist wrong. well obsevred.
its not one book. depennding on which sect you are on about it could have from 66 (protestant) to 81 books. standered english hold 66. but thats still more than one book. boooyah!
Hey cute badger Your'e ok But buddy you are not wise And thats ok if thats what you want There is a God Who made you And wants to give you eternal life But won't stuff it down your throat You can laugh your way all the way to hell No problem But its no joke Be a survivor pal Check it all out If you want to argue with someone Try me out Instead of some little girls
So how can you rule out any of it including "God". So say that we just happened from whatever reason science says came about. If the first thing that created life happened wouldn't that in itself fit the description of "God or a God" creator of all. Whether that first thing is bacteria, a blast, monkey, carbon, water? Some people have religions that worship planets, water, you name it and there is a religion for it. So religion is man made just as what you believe in.
What im tryin to say is that anything we believe can be percieved as being man made. Because man has no actual proof of either theory other than what we have seen of others to say who existed before us or present day with us.
Maybe, but is we became more clever, wouldn't we be more aware to the obvious? Also, how is it obvious? Don't say the bible, which was hand written. You counter it was inspired by god. Wheres the proof it was inspired by god?
Really it can be said that a belief in "God" is questionable since we can't percieve how anything can exist without something before it; just like it can be said that the "Evolution self creation theory" is questionable for the same reasons. How can planets, space, carbon, fire, etc. even exist without anything to create it.
Man can't grasp how anything can come from nothing. We can't explain how planets, stars, carbon, stars, light, fire, magnets etc., came frome anything without anything before it. I mean we can go on forever and ever saying things like, "what made what made this". we can never explain what made anything when we know something had to be first to create anything after it (Thats the way a human mind works, we have to see what came before the created).
I was really expecting more from these videos, but all these questions have been answered some many times. Check out Philos71 channel or VenomFangX channel. Seriously, these are great questions, but nothing new or different.
Great video. I watched the Atheist Debate video before this one and laughed my ass off at the silly "arguments" it posed. It's always amazed me how Christians want to pull verses out of their magic book (Bible) to prove God's existence. That's like saying "The Night Before Christmas" proves there is a Santa Clause. Also, pretty funny to watch then cherry pick for versus that show a loving, peaceful God, but ignore the ones that show the jealous, angry, murdering GOD. Christians are hilarious!
Even the bravest among us rarely has the courage for what he really knows.
"All truth is simple." Is that not a compound lie?
Which is it? Is man only god's mistake or is god only man's mistake?
Man has created woman — but what out of? Out of a rib of his god, of his "ideal."
Are we immoralists harming virtue? No more than anarchists harm princes. Only since they have been shot at do they once more sit firmly on their thrones. Moral: one must shoot at morals.
Now, I have heard of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, however, it is no longer I am afraid. Nope, the ironic "pinkness" is no longer on ... the ... invisible ... pink unicorn.
However, the only true god, that of course being the Flying Spaghetti Monster, has a new shirt out, and is now available in the lobby upon exiting this posting area.
To all non-believers, you too will be touched by his noodled arms soon enough, be ready.
Not realistically, no. Out of the unlimited possibilities of the universe, It seems astronomically unlikely that any man-made religion ACTUALLY exists. I just think its unfortunate how upset some people get over the concept of no god.
Satan is outrageously angry at his fall from grace
Heaven rejoices; free of prideful lucifer
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Are you atheist, agnostic, or devout christian? From the way you speak, its hard to tell.
If you are christian, that was quite obviously from the bible, which there is no proof whatsoever that it was inspired by god. I find solace in "nothing" after death, similar to before we were born. I am not afraid of divine retribution, nor do I kid myself there is a "paradise" or a "heaven."
Then we aren't in the last days. I don't want lies or fables. I want facts. I want testable theories with supporting evidence. That's about as far from lies and fables as one can get.
Have you ever considered that Jesus couldn't be the Messiah because he was conceived out of wedlock & his true father was not of David's line or of Israel. This should have forbid him to enter any Temple or any of his descendants.
If the OT is true, then Jesus was actually the anti-christ. He tried leading god's chosen (the Israelites) away from the Torah. He claimed the ultimate blasphemy, to be the bastard son of Yahweh. Would a perfect being break his covenant like that?
Luke 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
In your great effort to sound intelligent you are actually revealling your incredible ignorance. There is a perfect plan in progress, but you are to smart to believe in such a plan--right?
Adam's sin was dealt with in the old testement by the priestly order set up by Moses through God. Jesus the spotless Lamb of God was sacrificed to permanently eliminate this curse over mankind by making away from us to remit this sin from our life.
BUT, You don't want a plan you want to be smarter then God.
wilby1414- It makes me feel somewhat better to see you are a Canadian. We have enough scientifically illiterate christians over here dumbing down my country.
Do you really think 4000 years is a long time when it comes to the creator of the universe? God has a timeline he is following so whether you think it is fast or slow is futile.
This planet is temporarily run by the prince of darkness but ONLY since the cross has Satan's time for losing this power been set in motion and based on God's timeline NOT yours.
God has a perfect plan--to bad your to smart for God for him to share it with you.
I personally feel that the blood sacrifice thing, if the Bible were written today, would be a cheap and unimaginative story telling aid to help the reader feel sympathetic with the Messiah. What do you hear people say over and over? "He DIED for our sins."
Followers usually don't think about the other aspects (i.e. the ones you keep pointing out.), and just feel like they should support their Messiah.
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"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance. The motions of the planets require a Divine arm to impress them." Sir Isaac Newton
rom116rom 3 months ago
slow to anger... as i recall the story, it didn't take yahweh long to get pissy when the isralites complained about being thirsty, or hungry, or tired, or when they said they were better off as slaves, having had food, water, shelter and safety as well as herds and crops
and out of all those israelites, two made it to the 'promised land'
two out of 600,000?
GodsArePeopleToo 6 months ago
How the hell can you write 'atheist' like that? Athiest? Really??
staalhaan87 7 months ago
@staalhaan87
"athiest" was in quotes because I was responding to a video by Way of the Master which misspelled "atheist". I guess you posted your comment before watching my video.
imrational 7 months ago
@imrational Allright. Sorry for wrongfully attacking you, man. Thought it'd be another ignoramus video since the title said 'athiest'.
staalhaan87 3 days ago
@staalhaan87
athy, athier, athiest
nemirn 4 days ago
Lol when I was christian I was at church camp an I was about 6 maybe and I asked how was god made? And they never gave me an answer
MEGAN13134 9 months ago
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AtheistSongs 9 months ago
YOU MENTION IN YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHY GOD'S SON JESUS NEEDS TO SACRFICE HISELF.....BUT YOU STILL POST VIDEOS AGAINTS GOD...LOL
idolista1 9 months ago
@idolista1
No, I don't understand why a supposedly loving, omnipotent, and omniscent being created a system where sacrifice is required for forgiveness.
I post videos against religions and beliefs that intrude onto me and mine, as well as ones that are blatantly insane.
imrational 9 months ago
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aevil333 8 months ago
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If sin should not be forgiven, then Christians should stop saying that their god is a forgiving one or that Jesus acted to so God could forgive us our sins.
Also, if God is perfect, how could he create an imperfect creation?
imrational 8 months ago
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aevil333 8 months ago
@aevil333
Your answer doesn't work logically. Evidence goes against us having free will (see Benjamin Libet's experiments). Second, A&E were total innocents. They didn't understand that to disobey the god was evil/wrong.
If god cannot accept sin and requires human or animal blood sacrifice... then that is not forgiveness. That is demanding restitution/payment. Your god is not a forgiving god. To forgive is to drop the debt owed.
imrational 8 months ago
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aevil333 8 months ago
@aevil333
If we are "incapable of doing anything good", then our flaw is inherent in us. That means that your god CREATED us flawed. Your god created an imperfect creature because we have no real choice in the matter. Your argument contradicts itself.
imrational 8 months ago
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aevil333 8 months ago
@aevil333
"The flaw comes from disobeying"
Do you need any water to take with your Soma? Can you sense any of the brainwashing happening to you?
Unquestioning obedience is a brainwashed zombie.
imrational 8 months ago
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aevil333 7 months ago
@errskin no he's not.do your research kid.
TASIXV 10 months ago
Name one rich athiest. That's what I thought.
TASIXV 10 months ago
@TASIXV bill gates is an atheist.
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Atheists should be segregated. They are uncivilized.
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CrazyTurdy 1 year ago
In your one and two choices you forgot to mention the creator is eternal. The eternal creator who was not created, who created the universe. Put that aside though, If you don't believe in creation, then this video was not made by you. It just appeared. And so nothing we think we have created was by us. So is the universe the creator? Or is a quark named simon our creator? Oh wait you don't believe in creation...so then the universe just appeared as your video did.
rayman811 1 year ago
@rayman811
First you have to prove their was a creator and then you have to prove that it is eternal.
Second, your claim that if I don't believe in Creationism then nothing can be created is using faulty logic. Just because I don't think that a snowflake is "Created" (It comes about by the complex interaction of natural laws), doesn't mean that I think a pocketwatch could not be created.
imrational 1 year ago 2
@rayman811 saying that the universe just appeared is the same as saying it was created, your just adding some god to it thats magical and makes even less sense.
errskin 10 months ago
@errskin Ok, So the big bang made the universe what it is. Parallel dimensions collided and thats what caused the big bang. Parallel dimensions are just there because we haven't found a scientific theory of how they were formed. Oh I have a theory...maybe when a universe such as ours expands too far then it starts to collapse back on it's self and when it goes back into that central point of infinite mass it actually becomes two parallel universes. Still doesn't explain how the first got there.
rayman811 10 months ago
@rayman811 not having an explanation of how the first got there doesn't mean god did it. your argument is commonly referred to as the god of the gaps, its where a gap of knowledge is found and god is shoved in there as an explanation because we dont really know the real explanation. its a logical fallacy. not knowing how the universe began does not mean god did it. it means you dont know.
errskin 10 months ago
@errskin Point taken. It means we all don't know. So there in fact, my theories have just as much relevance as anyone else's. You have faith in your beliefs of how everything came to be and I have mine. There will be nothing that changes our views. The only thing I'd suggest is to think for yourself and stop referring to conversation as relating to some other argument you've had or witnessed. Truth comes from an open mind and an open conversation.
rayman811 10 months ago
@rayman811
Actually, no. Science is built upon testable theories and evidence. Prove one theory wrong, scientists craft a new one that incorporates what they have learned. This makes science self-correcting, where it becomes closer and closer to a true picture of reality.
Yours, on the other hand, is believed without any method of determining truth from fiction. How is that more relevant? Answer, it's not.
imrational 10 months ago
@imrational Well if you are so sure of your theories then why doesn't everyone believe what you do? Everyone is entitled to their own belief. You think that man is greater than God, or that God died or didn't exist. So be it. I believe he does exist and He created us how ever He wanted. We have our own choice to love Him or not. Because this life is but a blink on the eternal that is to be, we are presented with a short lifetime to choose. Take away everything but you, and ask, Why do I exist?
rayman811 10 months ago
@rayman811 "Take away everything but you, and ask, Why do I exist?" - the answer is nobody knows, once again this is an argument form ignorance. not knowing something does not mean god is the answer. thats how indians used to explain rain. it was silly then and its silly now.
errskin 10 months ago
@rayman811
I'm not saying my theories are totally correct. I was saying that they are self-correcting and are based on evidence, unlike religious beliefs. As to why some people don't believe, y\ou are committing a logical fallacy called "argumentum ad populum". The number of people supporting a belief does not increase it's validity, i.e. the truth is not a popularity contest.
imrational 10 months ago
@imrational Everyone believes what has been proven as fact. That's what i was getting at. So what you believe right now is not fact, just as my belief is not fact. Theories are based on fact, but in the end they are still a theory. I'm done here, you guys obviously have it all figured out.
rayman811 10 months ago
@rayman811
Facts are facts. Scientific theories are TESTABLE, meaning that we will search for a better theory that better explains facts we learn. Do i have it figured out? Nope.
Do you? You seem confident you do... why? How do you know absolutely that you are correct?
imrational 10 months ago
@imrational If you aren't confident, then why ask us. The whole point of god is saying we aren't under control, and it's not about us. It not only says 'Love God', it says 'Love someone as if God.' And the Bible was written by several philosophers, who all had different ways to describe god. And keep in mind, the human race and the world was shaped by religion. Some ways good, some bad. Anyway you look at it, you will always stare something in the face greater than you. Be it the universe or god
Justadude52 8 months ago
@rayman811 no, i dont have faith in anything, and my views can be changed. your theories about how everything came to be aren't at all valid because your claiming to know without any evidence. an argument from ignorance isn't valid. if you dont know something then you dont know it, it doesn't make crackpot ideas valid.
errskin 10 months ago
@rayman811
"I don't know" is a viable answer. To make up, "god did it" without testable theory or supporting evidence really isn't. That is a "god of the gaps" answer. Used previously to explain things like floods, lightning, disease, etc. The more we learn, the weaker that argument becomes.
imrational 10 months ago
@imrational So what is the starting point? You act as though you know the answer. How vast the universe looks to us, and yet we can visualize it as being small from a different view. There can only be one truth. Forget how something so basic as the universe being born. The real question is where has our intelligence arisen from? How does that form from a combination of atoms? If there is no design, why is there a distinct set of laws that our known universe follows? Random follows no laws.
rayman811 10 months ago
@rayman811
Believing I created a video is different than believing in something, without any evidence, creating all of reality.
As to "eternal", if there was a creator, how do you know he was/is eternal? How do you know that he didn't die?
imrational 10 months ago
One word...which God or god came back from the dead.....is it Jesus...or hmmmm..
there is proof . Look it up in the history of the church or not the bible since you dont believe it.....please take the time to look. Your after life depends on it.. remember someone created us and we have to answer to something or some God.. i am not taking any chances...Not playing it safe , just knowing that a God exist..Look up at the stars at night and you will see, WITH YOUR OWN EYES..TRUST ME.....GOD LOVESU
MrBensutube 1 year ago
@MrBensutube If your not taking any chances then your "playing it safe". Since your not taking any chances why not go ahead and believe in the Pagon religion, or in Buddha or Allah? They have churches too as "proof" just like your religion. They even have books too.
birdy241 1 year ago
In response to the last point: An eternal universe to my understanding would not be possible due to the laws of entropy, if I am correct. I don't want to propagandize and say right away that "god did it!", but in my opinion, it would be more logical to believe an uncaused higher intelligence gave birth to cause and effect.
tylermurch 1 year ago
@tylermurch
Actually, we have a mathematical theory for BEFORE the Big Bang. Looks like an eternal multiverse with universes being born and dying all the time.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational
the theory is called M-theory, and i'm familiar with it. Also, you said MULTIverse. that would be different universes being born and dying continuously. i was reffering to ONE universe lasting forever would be impossible.
tylermurch 1 year ago
@tylermurch
Why would one eternal universe be impossible? I think it would be improbable but still possible.
imrational 1 year ago
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@imrational
Because all of the usable energy in the universe is being constantly being converted into unusable energy, entropy will keep increasing until there is no more usable energy left. from this, we must logically conclude the universe had a finite beginning.(the moment at which there was zero entropy.)
tylermurch 1 year ago
@tylermurch its contradictory to say that its impossible that the universe is eternal from what we know but then you suggest a "higher intelligence" exists which is impossible from what we know.
errskin 10 months ago
religion is a scam and a crutch for the weak minded!
TheROBLES2345 1 year ago 2
@TheROBLES2345
weak minded..hmmm it takes faith to believe in both sides of the spectrum..i like the side of God...cuz your choice leads to ........nothing. Its not convenience its smart.
see you on the other side..oh yea maybe not..its not worth taking the chance to believe in nothing, cuz at least i have something...
MrBensutube 1 year ago
I don't understand how you could come to the conclusion that someone who has not seen evidence of a supreme being as leading them to anything. If you think the afterlife is nothing then I would be inclined to agree because we have all experienced it. Remember what it was like before you were conceived? Me too. Everyone does in fact. What is so difficult to understand? Scary to some maybe, but very simple, unlike your supreme being theory.
MrJamesRWII 1 year ago
As priest of the Fling Spagetti Monster imrational I as you to put more cheese on things. XD
But on a serious matter, with all do respect you do not understand the doctrine of sin that well or sacrifice. I am not about proving god, or my great Lord Spagetti Monster, but I would love to share some discussion time with you.
Remember only spagetti is the true pasta! XD
RedSun875 1 year ago
well actually alot of archeologists have found those archieves from manuscripts in Israel..and second to the killing thing..that statement didnt make sense..the people from that land perverted the land and did alot of bad things about God..it says in the Bible that God is love but also consuming fire..the people occupying the land where doing perverted things and God kicked them out of the land..read the Bible alittle more and youll know..
Renasboyfriend1 1 year ago
@Renasboyfriend1
You're changing your story.
"the massacres and wars that happened in the Bible was bc the promised land belonged to the Jews... so God let them eliminate the enemy to get the land that God gave them"
"God kicked them out of the land".
No, God's people were told to kill them off, including the babies.
My point made perfect sense. You were saying that cause God said the land was theirs, they could kill and enslave the people already living there.
imrational 1 year ago
@Renasboyfriend1 "well actually alot of archeologists have found those archieves from manuscripts in Israel"
Please cite your sources...what archeologists, what manuscripts, what year were they found and when were they written.
SynnJinn13 1 year ago
you seriously havent read the Bible enough to know anything about it..4000 years? really? does it really matter the time? your saying God isnt merciful? if God did it, then doesnt ur statement mean nothing then? and the massacres and wars that happened in the Bible was bc the promised land belonged to the Jews and people we there occupying it..land that wasnt theirs..so God let them eliminate the enemy to get the land that God gave them..
Renasboyfriend1 1 year ago
@Renasboyfriend1
4000 years refers to the Young Earth Creationist belief of a 6,000 year old earth, with Jesus being born 2,000 years ago.
Wow, so... if I tell you that God has spoken to me and told me that I should have your home and the homes of all your friends, I have the right to now kill you and take your property?!?
imrational 1 year ago
your also not making sense bc your saying that alot of religions are saying they are saying there gods are true gods...ok, but there is proof that Jesus resurrected from the grave..over 500 people have recorded seeing Jesus after His death on the cross..so God doesnt exist?Explain to everyone how Roman soldiers put Jesus in a grave and then Hes not there anymore..yea..explain the miracles that Jesus did that people from that time recorded have seen Him doing it..
Renasboyfriend1 1 year ago
@Renasboyfriend1
Actually, the only record of 500 people seeing Jesus after his death is the New Testament... written DECADES after his death. That's it.
The son of the Creator of the entire fricking universe only has one record of his existence... the bible... and it wasn't written until around forty years after his death. That's not too good of an eyewitness account.
imrational 1 year ago
idk..but..your video doesnt make any sense..honestly which is easier to believe: that i was created, or i evolved from a monkey? idk..monkeys are still around..if mammals evolved from fish why are thre almost 5 trillion fish at sea? God is kind, He created humans to worship Him, and He sent a flood to destroy them..but He saved every specie and 8 people..then when the flood dried He promised He wouldnt do that..proves mercy..
Renasboyfriend1 1 year ago
@Renasboyfriend1 Please take a course on evoluton. Saying that one species evolved from another doesn't mean that the first species disappears. When you were born did your father disappear? How about your mother? Second, monkeys and humans share a common ancestor. Saying humans came from monkeys is like saying you came from your cousin. Completely wrong.
8cricketts 1 year ago
@Renasboyfriend1 idk..but..you comments make little sense...for sure.
SynnJinn13 1 year ago
hitler was an atheist....so was stalin
MrD0911 1 year ago
@MrD0911
I'm sure that neither of them believed in Santa Claus either... so what? (btw, Hitler was a believer, read Mein Kampf)
There have been many humanitarians who have been atheist. Should I point out the religious atrocities committed by believers?
Your point has no credence.
imrational 1 year ago
@MrD0911 And then?
3dd656 1 year ago
Screw you and your immature spelling issue!! MORON!!!
IAmSuperPerfect 1 year ago
@IAmSuperPerfect
Thanks for the feedback :D
imrational 1 year ago
Well, I don't want to come off like a jerk... but focusing mainly on a misspelling shows that you are aiming your gun at the sky with no target in sight! BTW: your gun jammed!
Get my point?
IAmSuperPerfect 1 year ago
@IAmSuperPerfect
lol,
aw... come on! Even Way of the Master had enough of a sense of humor to realize that I was being tongue-in-cheek. They even laughed when they did a radio show about the video
imrational 1 year ago
Hey, I think that the universe is probably eternal. But the explanations I have seen about the big bang with "there was no time or matter before the big bang" actually do sound as if they are saying "something came from nothing" which I can't accept.
amigojapan 2 years ago
@amigojapan
If you can't accept "something can from nothing", where did the creator come from?
Where did the creator get the material to create the universe? If he created it from within himself and he is eternal, then the material is eternal too and you again have an "eternal universe". If he created it from nothing, then again, you have something from nothing.
imrational 2 years ago
no no myfriend, you are confusing me with a believer in god, I am not a believer in god or in a creator. I just say "nothing can come from nothing" so I say the universe must be eternal. no creator involved.
amigojapan 2 years ago
come to india.. and u will change ur opinion.
god does exist.
vishalgutsy 2 years ago
Can I see god in endia? is he there? if so I may believe :)
amigojapan 2 years ago
sure buddy.. come to india.. and visit the spiritual places of india.
u would ureself realise the presence of god in this land.
vishalgutsy 2 years ago
beauty doent prove that god exists to me. I am sure india is butiful.
amigojapan 2 years ago
@vishalgutsy, I've been to India.
I felt the power of Chuck Norris there.
plimbuff 1 year ago
that was not a debate that was just an athiest with more knowlege of atheist life style then the christian life style going against it cause they dont want to believe there's a god cause they want to be the god of there life cause they have to meny sins in there life that they dont want to stop doing thats all... what ever its cool just do the sins you like to do athiest the truth will be found out when you die just leave it at that ok
herbert2589 2 years ago
herbert2589,
I guess you didn't watch the video. It's "athEist" not "athIest". :P
imrational 2 years ago
you are a hipocrite. you have no idea about the athiest lifestyle, but criticize it. isn't that what u just said was not right?
first of all i DO want there to be a god, i just don't KNOW, because he just won't fucking show me, which probably means he doesn't excist, or that a different god(s) exsists.. which i hope is true. the christian god is probably one of the worst gods i could imagine; he's just a kid over an ant hill with a magnifying glass, and humans are the ants.
moochaka123 2 years ago
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this video is boring!
Riverfrog72 2 years ago
First, thanks for the background music. Is that Hot Club of France ? Great .
Bottom line: Life is a journey. You can travel the journey with Faith or without. It's a lot easier with Faith. it is one of the great eternal debates. Believe in something. It's the only way you'll get to find out for sure who is right.
bpenza 2 years ago
Err, multiverse is just a theory that lacks evidence currently. It is pure speculation at this point and is an outgrowth of quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle. Basically it is one particular interpretation of Schrodinger wave mechanics. I'm sorry it is not real science as of yet.
o0JustNobody0o 2 years ago
o0JustNobody0o,
Yeah, but it is still mathematically sound and jibes with current and past findings. That's still better than blind speculation.
imrational 2 years ago
Define jibes, is that a scientific term? I prefer theories that are based on observation and that have practical applications. That said its acceptance has been more for its beauty than its physical soundness. It's possible, but then again so is God.
o0JustNobody0o 2 years ago
@o0JustNobody0o
Sorry, "jibes" is not a scientific term. It's slang and usually means "follows with" or "tracks on a similar course"
imrational 2 years ago
nice video..
sunlitekid01 2 years ago
Thank you for allowing comments. The only videos that never allow it are those who claim to be for God but against free speech.
LucianUramu 2 years ago
Big bang .... Your odd ....Atheist scientists are saying The big bang isnt a complete theory .... As u ask me where did yr god come from ...i ask u too where did the universe come from ? if u think that all this universe is here cuz of a random calculations of natural elements ... then i shall come and slap u .. and when u ask me ... i tell i just slapped u with no reason .... who knows
Subzerothecold 2 years ago
Subzerothecold,
The latest science is that we exist in a multiverse with universes being born and destroyed all the time. So where did our universe come from? From the Multiverse.
Now, we know this because of mathematics and our observations we have made. We have found evidence to support the Big Bang when we tested the theory. I'm not saying that your god doesn't exist. I'm saying there isn't any testable theory to find out.
imrational 2 years ago
There is no visable image of god .... But also .. there is no visable image of pain ... sadness ... happness.
can u say ... Pain
Subzerothecold 2 years ago
Subzero,
There is no visible image of air, yet we still can prove that it exists.
As to pain, sadness, happiness... those are subjective emotions. Are you saying that god is similar? A subjective emotion without outside existence?
imrational 2 years ago
amazing video, your lord of my world
CartoonAnimationTV 2 years ago
if the universe is eternal, why are all the galaxies redshifting away from us?
if the universe is eternal ,shouldn't we have a lot more blueshifters
Kalahridudex 2 years ago
Kalahridudex,
The universe is spreading out post explosion (big bang)... so right now, everything is moving away. What happened before the big bang or later on from now is the question.
Latest theory is that we are part of an multiverse with universes being born and dying all the time.
imrational 2 years ago
imratiol, it is Logical for you to say you have not experienced him, but to say that in all time and space he doed not exist as a certainty, you would have to explore all time and space. where you able to do that one day while I was not looking? :D
tjingwerson 2 years ago
tjingwerson,
I am a "Skeptic". I freely admit that a god or gods COULD exist, I just lack belief in them due to there not being a testable theory and supporting evidence for their existence.
imrational 2 years ago
imrational,
Sure, you can call him a force of nature if you want, based on a lack of having him revealed to you, however if you pretend that because you have not experienced him the universe must bow to your limited view of reality, I will be happy to mock your god-complex. :D
tjingwerson 2 years ago
tjingwerson,
If there is a god and he has not revealed himself to me, of course I would have a limited view of reality.
Santa Claus has not revealed himself to me either, so due to lack of a testable theory, supporting evidence, and illogical parts of his definition, it is only logical to lack belief that he exists.
imrational 2 years ago
imrational,
Who ever said I believed God was all-loving/benevolent. I believe he has the right to dislike people just as we give the right of ourselves. :)
tjingwerson 2 years ago
tjingwerson,
Oh. So God is not all-loving or benevolent. Got it. That makes a lot more sense... it's almost as if he were just a force of nature.
imrational 2 years ago
And... oh no.... a God can kill who he pleases... oh my... yep that sure disproves the existance of God... (Sarcastic Grin) :D
tjingwerson 2 years ago
tjingwerson,
A God who can kill who he PLEASES is not all-loving/benevolent. You disprove your god with your very statements.
imrational 2 years ago
Ummm, Mr movie maker.
Your premise is wrong sir. If you study a little deeper into the bible you would realise God forgave Adam and Eve according to the Bible when in instatuted to them the concept of animal sacrifice which was a symbol of Christ's sacrifice. I am not asking you to believe the teaching, however I thought it good to set your facts straight so you too do not look silly. Spelling is far less a concern to me that misrepresenting facts. Hope it helps you in your future movies. :)
tjingwerson 2 years ago
tjingwerson,
To be all-benevolent and forgiving someone doesn't mean that you make people commit blood sacrifices.
imrational 2 years ago
also at the end why no just say "or an eternal creator?" doosh its easy to answer the last question to. sorry but your video is a bit rubbish to be frank. good luck with the research. take care
look into something before talking about it so openly. your opinion is fair enough. but start the video with "in my opinion" cos in my opinion your video is flawed. big time
peace.
Andyrewluck44 2 years ago
but whatever the rest of your video is ok.
Andyrewluck44 2 years ago
its not contradictory. if you like the goal posts have moved. the rules have changed. we screwed up a second time so he changed the plan yet again. is also didn't take 4,000 years to forgive us for mans sin (if you belive that) it didn't take long actually. the second covenant. begins in a book called exodus and follows in leviticus. with the coming of the 10 comandments and the power to judge. judgement was then taken from man with the forgiveness of sins by jesus. we kept screing up judgement
Andyrewluck44 2 years ago
also if you belive in genesis you will also understand that "just one time" of disobediance was pretty much the only thing god asks them not to do. but that is if you belive in genesis. otherwise you cannot use that as an argument because you don't belive in it. if you do then you can. but you don't. cos your athiest right?
Andyrewluck44 2 years ago
oh sorry my bad ATHEIST! i am soooo so sorry. (sarcasm)
Andyrewluck44 2 years ago
Andyreluck44,
Sarcasm becomes you. It makes it appear that you're actually thinking and not just spouting propaganda and christian rhetoric.
imrational 2 years ago
i am pointing out the errors in the argument and all you can point out is a responce to someone being sarcastic? look the only point you made that was "true" is that they spelt atheist wrong. but whatever. i can understand why you would think there is evil and contradiction in the church when you have only experiance american catholicism, with its gay bashing. anti social beahvour followed by preaching for love and forgiveness, between capitalists and liars. one nation under god my arse!
Andyrewluck44 2 years ago
your list is also very flawed. most of the gods in the list do not belong to religions who claim they are the one true god. infact looking at the list not one deity on that list is considered the one true god. infact it is mainly only Abrahamic faiths that consider a one true god. be that of many names ranging from Yahweh, Allah or Ishvara.
Andyrewluck44 2 years ago
Andy,
I'd argue that the list of gods are all gods where the believers say that they are "True" and that gods outside of religions are "false".
imrational 2 years ago
well you'd be arguing against your own quotation. you said "is the ONE true God" not just "true god." or "true gods". and then your list which follows only holds names of gods which are belived to be part of a group of gods. from greek and roman to aztec and hindu. plus i am not one to claim i know the "truth" i am not by any means going to come to you and tell you your wrong about your beliefs. i am just pointing out errors in your argument. i am perfectly open to being wrong.
Andyrewluck44 2 years ago
Andyrewluch44,
No, you are not point out the flaws in my argument. You are pointing out the flaws in my poor wording. There is a difference.
I don't follow a written script in these things in order to sound more natural. Sometimes it comes back to bite me.
Many of the pantheon gods also had monotheism at one point. The Greeks kept on creating gods to explain who created their current ones. Chronos created the titans and greek gods, Gaiea created Chronos, Gaiea was created by Khaos, etc.
imrational 2 years ago
argh........... look. i was poiting out that you did not make one sinlge good argument in your video. its nothing to do with wording. your wrong about the one book. wrong with the gods. wrong with that qeustion at the end cos if your think god created the univurse you could easily assume he was infinate. the only true point you made was that you watched a video and they spelt atheist wrong. well obsevred.
Andyrewluck44 2 years ago
its not one book. depennding on which sect you are on about it could have from 66 (protestant) to 81 books. standered english hold 66. but thats still more than one book. boooyah!
Andyrewluck44 2 years ago
MAy GOD Forgive you
s122793s 2 years ago
s122793s,
May you start to think for yourself.
imrational 2 years ago
Nice video dude.
I love religeon, purely because I can argue with people who belive in it...
Its great fun.
I have a house mate whos christian. Her parents are priests. Apparently i'm not in Gods good books, because I said that God technicly raped Mary...
You be the judge.
In my oppinion you usualy you ask someones permission before you get them pregnant... not after.
God... You dirty dirty man.
Haha
(Im sounding really insensitive arnt I) Sorry
CuteBadger 2 years ago
paulwilfridhunt 2 years ago
This made me LOL. You get a thumbs up from me. :D
Jessero011 2 years ago
Just throwing this out there. Most reputable scientists reject the idea of an eternal universe in favor of a linear one.
mackdan7 2 years ago
if eve looked like that I wouldn't have ... I'd complain
jammapcb 2 years ago
So how can you rule out any of it including "God". So say that we just happened from whatever reason science says came about. If the first thing that created life happened wouldn't that in itself fit the description of "God or a God" creator of all. Whether that first thing is bacteria, a blast, monkey, carbon, water? Some people have religions that worship planets, water, you name it and there is a religion for it. So religion is man made just as what you believe in.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
What im tryin to say is that anything we believe can be percieved as being man made. Because man has no actual proof of either theory other than what we have seen of others to say who existed before us or present day with us.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
we know those ppl werent as clever or technologically advanced. so how can we trust the precedent our ancestors depended on for belief?
SSBB12347 2 years ago
Or maybe wwe have become so clever that we are dumb to the obvious.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
jdnmim,
Many times now, science has shown us that the "obvious" take on things is not necessarily the correct one.
imrational 2 years ago
Exactly
SSBB12347 2 years ago
Maybe, but is we became more clever, wouldn't we be more aware to the obvious? Also, how is it obvious? Don't say the bible, which was hand written. You counter it was inspired by god. Wheres the proof it was inspired by god?
SSBB12347 2 years ago
Really it can be said that a belief in "God" is questionable since we can't percieve how anything can exist without something before it; just like it can be said that the "Evolution self creation theory" is questionable for the same reasons. How can planets, space, carbon, fire, etc. even exist without anything to create it.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Man can't grasp how anything can come from nothing. We can't explain how planets, stars, carbon, stars, light, fire, magnets etc., came frome anything without anything before it. I mean we can go on forever and ever saying things like, "what made what made this". we can never explain what made anything when we know something had to be first to create anything after it (Thats the way a human mind works, we have to see what came before the created).
jdnmlm 2 years ago
I was really expecting more from these videos, but all these questions have been answered some many times. Check out Philos71 channel or VenomFangX channel. Seriously, these are great questions, but nothing new or different.
jgrajeda0585 2 years ago
Great video. I watched the Atheist Debate video before this one and laughed my ass off at the silly "arguments" it posed. It's always amazed me how Christians want to pull verses out of their magic book (Bible) to prove God's existence. That's like saying "The Night Before Christmas" proves there is a Santa Clause. Also, pretty funny to watch then cherry pick for versus that show a loving, peaceful God, but ignore the ones that show the jealous, angry, murdering GOD. Christians are hilarious!
000SMITH000 2 years ago
Nietzsche:
Even the bravest among us rarely has the courage for what he really knows.
"All truth is simple." Is that not a compound lie?
Which is it? Is man only god's mistake or is god only man's mistake?
Man has created woman — but what out of? Out of a rib of his god, of his "ideal."
Are we immoralists harming virtue? No more than anarchists harm princes. Only since they have been shot at do they once more sit firmly on their thrones. Moral: one must shoot at morals.
LTheMagicman 2 years ago
Your list of different gods was SO INCOMPLETE
you are lacking the ONE TRUE GOD
Where in God's Name is the Highest, Most Exalted, Above All in Holiness, the Invisible Pink Unicorn?
Elvisdogg 2 years ago
Hi Elvisdogg.
(secret handshake)
Now, I have heard of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, however, it is no longer I am afraid. Nope, the ironic "pinkness" is no longer on ... the ... invisible ... pink unicorn.
However, the only true god, that of course being the Flying Spaghetti Monster, has a new shirt out, and is now available in the lobby upon exiting this posting area.
To all non-believers, you too will be touched by his noodled arms soon enough, be ready.
And to all.
RAmen
Albertaguy123 2 years ago
LOL flying spaghetti monster..ROFLMFAO
i find all this religious debating hysterical. You aren't going to change anybody's mind, so why even try?lolz
SSBB12347 2 years ago
You mock God, the FSM ... he shall be sober when he hurls his wrath on you ... in the meantime ...
I shall drink 2 bloody mary's and pray to Joe Peschi for your comment.
Peace
RAmen
Albertaguy123 2 years ago
yes, I am most afraid of divine punishment, thats exactly how i life my life.....-.-
*mocks god*
ooh im not in hell cuz hell doesn't exist and I'm not stupid enough to literall believe this 2000 year-old scam
Do something about it.
SSBB12347 2 years ago
Do something about it?
I am, I'm drinking two bloody mary's and praying to Joe Peschi for you.
RAmen
Albertaguy123 2 years ago
ur wasting ur time tbh.,,
SSBB12347 2 years ago
Now, that I shall be serious.
Are you a person of Faith?
A theist who believes in a deity, or deist. Are you agnostic?
I am an Anti Theist.
Lets have fun shall we.
Do reply.
RAmen
Albertaguy123 2 years ago
I thought you were some devout christian..are you an athiest or what!!!?!?
decide lolz ur contradicting urself ;P
Personally I'm athiest, not agnostic because you can't prove anything involving religion..
SSBB12347 2 years ago
I am an Anti Theist to be sure.
FSM is an exercise. I stretch with it's simplicity. My strenght is in knowledge of what is truth and what is not (Faith).
Life is a Journey, do find your own way to entertain yourself in it's time passing.
RAmen (the noodle, not the biblical refereance to "Amen")
Go in peace.
RAmen
Albertaguy123 2 years ago
lol i just think its funny to see all these people obessing over it..
i hate how they actually made a religion out of having no religion lolz
i just live my live, and if i must search for something, it is my TV remote >.>
SSBB12347 2 years ago
Watching those stories of life after death experiences ... do you imagine any can be true?
Terri3210 2 years ago
Not realistically, no. Out of the unlimited possibilities of the universe, It seems astronomically unlikely that any man-made religion ACTUALLY exists. I just think its unfortunate how upset some people get over the concept of no god.
SSBB12347 2 years ago
Satan is outrageously angry at his fall from grace
Heaven rejoices; free of prideful lucifer
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Terri3210 2 years ago
Are you atheist, agnostic, or devout christian? From the way you speak, its hard to tell.
If you are christian, that was quite obviously from the bible, which there is no proof whatsoever that it was inspired by god. I find solace in "nothing" after death, similar to before we were born. I am not afraid of divine retribution, nor do I kid myself there is a "paradise" or a "heaven."
SSBB12347 2 years ago
I speak standing on the word of God
The Characters of men in the last days want lies, fables, and ear tickling.. they cant handle the truth of Jesus.
The sound Word of God is like a two edged sword
Its the word of God that cuts [not the messenger]
[2 Tim 3]
Terri3210 2 years ago
Terri3210,
Then we aren't in the last days. I don't want lies or fables. I want facts. I want testable theories with supporting evidence. That's about as far from lies and fables as one can get.
imrational 2 years ago
Then we aren't in the last days on what grounds do make this statement?
Terri3210 2 years ago
oh so your a bible qouter, one who takes things written in a fictional book literally...
the bible is a load of total bullshit, no proof/facts whatsoever.
SSBB12347 2 years ago
and know it or not your a satan worshiper
Do enjoy your father the devil? He may seem like a giving loving creature at the moment...
But when this life is done you will see how much he truly hates you.
satan hates man... mans made in Gods image.
satan even hates those that worship him.... he hates everyone...
he is the king of pride and deceit
he is not giving you anything he will not take out of you later
time is not on your side.
& eternity has no end
wake up turn to Jesus.
Terri3210 2 years ago
Terri3210,
Have you ever considered that Jesus couldn't be the Messiah because he was conceived out of wedlock & his true father was not of David's line or of Israel. This should have forbid him to enter any Temple or any of his descendants.
If the OT is true, then Jesus was actually the anti-christ. He tried leading god's chosen (the Israelites) away from the Torah. He claimed the ultimate blasphemy, to be the bastard son of Yahweh. Would a perfect being break his covenant like that?
imrational 2 years ago
Luke 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Terri3210 2 years ago
This Terri3210 is a blast... Haha
CuteBadger 2 years ago
Good points, I take it you are Jewish.
gcnengineer 2 years ago
In your great effort to sound intelligent you are actually revealling your incredible ignorance. There is a perfect plan in progress, but you are to smart to believe in such a plan--right?
Adam's sin was dealt with in the old testement by the priestly order set up by Moses through God. Jesus the spotless Lamb of God was sacrificed to permanently eliminate this curse over mankind by making away from us to remit this sin from our life.
BUT, You don't want a plan you want to be smarter then God.
wilby1414 2 years ago
wilby,
How could a benevolent being require a blood sacrifice from an innocent to forgive others?
You're right, I'm not as smart as your god, because I definitely can't understand that.
imrational 2 years ago
wilby1414- It makes me feel somewhat better to see you are a Canadian. We have enough scientifically illiterate christians over here dumbing down my country.
tyflyer007 2 years ago
What part of god`s plan includes 4 year old kids getting leukemia and dying slow horrible deaths? Is he making a snuff film?
bakanagaizin 2 years ago
Do you really think 4000 years is a long time when it comes to the creator of the universe? God has a timeline he is following so whether you think it is fast or slow is futile.
This planet is temporarily run by the prince of darkness but ONLY since the cross has Satan's time for losing this power been set in motion and based on God's timeline NOT yours.
God has a perfect plan--to bad your to smart for God for him to share it with you.
SalvationJourney c0m -- learn something!
wilby1414 2 years ago
My grand father was an Atheist
My father was an Atheist
I'm an Atheist
AND PLEASE GOD; my children will be Atheists.
to become a "Proper" Aetheist one needs to know Everything about God
[love the Gypsy music]
gypsygypsy101 2 years ago 2
Imrational I have a question:
What is that toe-tapping rhythm in the background?
louvsco 2 years ago
music by the genius Gypsy Swing maestro, Django Reinhardt. He was a steel pick guitar player from the 1940's.
Gypsy Swing was a precursor to both Jazz and swing.
imrational 2 years ago
Sweet, thanks for the info.
louvsco 2 years ago
I personally feel that the blood sacrifice thing, if the Bible were written today, would be a cheap and unimaginative story telling aid to help the reader feel sympathetic with the Messiah. What do you hear people say over and over? "He DIED for our sins."
Followers usually don't think about the other aspects (i.e. the ones you keep pointing out.), and just feel like they should support their Messiah.
goodyfun 2 years ago