ain't watched this (yet) so maybe it's already in it - the 1-size-fits-all thing, it's intended to remove the soul. it makes it easier for the problem to keep files on everyone & everything - it wants everything to be able to be put into a database, and all decisions just like a computer program, so it overwrites the operating system of logic-proper we're born with, with one that allows it to categorise and label things. and barcode them, etc.
some of that - useful. not applied to life though.
people have cultural rules for the same reasons we put leashes on dogs - the world that's been made out of nature isn't one we can exist in safely. so there's this one-size-fits-all attitude applied to eveyone regardless of level of development - since there'd be no way to have programmed means of figuring out how developed any individual actually is.
if some people hadn't ruined this planet then dogs wouldn't need leashes - except ones that chase say farmers animals, when they're around there
Interestingly, the kind of bureaucracy gone mad which Schwartz describes is especially rampant in the oh-so-free United States. Americans lack wisdom even more than any other people. They can't handle freedom.
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom..." says the sage in the book of Proverbs. The ultimate wisdom is realizing Who God is, realizing who you are, and realizing that, on your own merit, you're headed for destruction on an eternal scale. Jesus. Jesus is wisdom.
It is certainly true that sometimes I see an odd phenomenon where somebody tells me: "That is the exception, not the rule!" when an individual breaks code. Although, a part of me wonders if the very "rule" put in place was out of hyper-vigilance towards an exception that was displeasing. In this case, I don't think having rules are bad, but more-so the reluctance to augment the rule. Instead, you get an argument shakily attempting to keep the status-quo, which I find sad. It's easy on the brain,
All sounded interesting and very plausable. I´m not sure about the surveys but either way he had valid points in telling the psychological developement of the people in the terms of moral thinking. As far as the part with the teachers and the curiculum goes, that part gave me a small tear because it´s exactly how I´ve thought throughout the years in the teachers academy. Sure we get security in these rules but we get only mediocry.
High value should be placed on personal initiative. Those who do things simply because they are told to are slaves of the spirit; whereas brave people armed with the spirit of independence who voluntarily strive to fulfill their unique mission (or use of their life) have no complaints or grievances. In fact, it could be said that the greater the obstacles they face, the greater the innate courage, wisdom + power they muster from within.
'Knowledge is power' but wisdom is more powerful! Knowledge relates to the past [facts] whereas wisdom relates to the future [how knowledge is used].The spirit of a teacher is instrumental for the growth of students:If a student's relationship with their teacher is of 'not wishing to let their teacher down',then they have a healthy relationship with them;so long as the teacher's intentions are sincere+honorable. The crucial thing about a mentor is asking yourself,'what has your mentor achieved?'
But the study about the 'nuclear waste in switzerland seems false.
The reality is that most people DO run by incentives (unless there is a possibility that they might be criminal activities [that could be easily revealed])
As for the survey, they just wanted to show themselves to others that they are not greedy and 'socially conscious individuals'. This was an act of pleasing the surveyor. Just my bit of 'common sense' stating the stupidity of that survey. And...
They participants in the survey knew it wasn't gonna happen. 'So what is the point in making themselves look greedy'.
If u want REAL observations and more truthful surveys...take one experiment...Just let the Switzerland govt. to pass a law giving away '6 million' to people allowing nuclear waste in their neighborhood.
Loved this. Thanks very much. This video was recommended to us after we gave this TEDx talk (The Turkey and the Crow) on the tension between expertise and creativity.
Your additional insight on the importance of moral instruction is right on. Even at the high school level, there is so much in the way of facts and details to remember that little time or thought is given to moral decision making or reasoning whether in history, science, lit or other subject. Bravo!
Mr. Ford's Company still makes 1% of our countries GDP, that doesn't include all the people working in the raw products and selling/ servicing his products
"scripts insure against disaster, but what they ensure in its place is mediocrity"
"the reductive appeal to self-interest as the master human motive is a false description of human nature & lead to over-prescription and addiction to surface-level incentives"
@Pianofy I am a teacher. You cannot teach character, except to accurately describe outcomes of negative behaviours and make it real for them. They have to each understand the negative consequences well enough that they an only be CHOOSING the consequence, if they choose the behaviour.
Besides that, you can only model it. It is the best way, if you can get them to admire you just enough to want to do as you do, and you do your best to be of sound character, it is the best way.
But if we give licence to be creative with the rules .. what of all the retards? The wise are in minority, its Catch 22.
The unwise in majority no neither 'How much' nor 'How often' to bend the rules. How about an organised system or rule evolution, e.g. all judges can make exceptions no more than in 10% of cases. Periodically review the nature of the exceptions to track the trend in Common thought and update the rules accordingly. This way a system of 'wisdom' is legislated for.
@helimax I think the assumption that most of the humans are retards is a easy one to make in this society that is run entirely by individual choice. Everyone has different interests and specials that make communication between people even harder.
If someone does not fit your definitions of intelligence, that does not mean he is not smart or wise. I think most of the humans are smart, creative and wise creatures.
Dr. Viktor Frankl, Dietrich Von Hildebrand, Karol Woytila, Corrie Ten Boom, Alice Von Hildebrand, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Fr Maximilian Kolbe, St Edith Stein.
@michael616joaquin Good discernment ! I have noticed that too, posted it many times on Pro Life-Pro "Choice"?(really pro anarchy) blogs. Crowley "sex data" was used -Table 31 in Kinsey's "research"-( charting sex abuse of infants) as part of his propaganda to de-moralize USA. Kinsey was perverted, also used Von Balusek,Nazi child-rapist/murderer for "baseline" in his "research".Herr Hefnerr gives Kinsey credit for starting Sex Rev.St Augustine quote is last line of my Pro-God propaganda "sign".
While anyone could argue the position that religion has caused most of the worlds problems, there is a reason religion exists. People are basically full of shit, and unless someone tells us this every now and then, we will continue to hurt each other. It's pretty sad that the word "morals" is so abhorrent to us highly evolved modern human beings. Preach it, Schwartzy!
Good to see Ben Stein lost some weight. Also he must of finally kicked his peregoric(liquid opiate for tummy aches, otc into the early 70's. ahh the good ole days) as evidenced by lack of his trade mark slow but pleasant speaking voice. thus its understandable he changed his name and is in the motivational speech biz. btw, am i an aszhole?
Much of what he is talking about has to do with how legalistic we've become. The willingness to sue other people (as a form of winning the lottery) is WAY too common.
The other is an extremely paternalistic government which more and more grows because people want the AUTHORITY to solve all their problems.
This man is a prime example of mans wisdom being foolishness. There is only 1 man that has ever lived who is wise, and He is Jesus Christ, who has the very wisdom of God dwelling in Him, who is the Holy Spirit. Unless you come to Him so that He may dwell in you, all you will ever accomplish is foolishness, which only leads to death and condemnation. None of these people can make you wise unto salvation, this is what Jesus does for us through His love, mercy and grace. Praise His Holy Name!
wtf is this guy all about?? in this video hes bashing rules. if i'm not mistaken rules limit choices, and in another video hes preaching how good limited choices are. im confused can someone help me out w/ that 1?
@rigimp Hmmmm, good question. He says' people with so many choices are less happy about their choice, it's his psychological observations. Here, he is saying that being too strict leads to a static society, one in which people cannot think for themselves morally. When your boss tells you how to do your job when you know that your way is more efficient and faster, etc. When you buy your child Mike's hard lemonade on "pure accident" and the courts take him away is over-reacting.
@rigimp you've oversimplified his message to the point of making it ridiculous. In his first video he's saying that choice is a paradox that has good consequences which everyone is already aware of and bad consequences such as paralysis and dissatisfaction with results due to growing expectations. In this video he's saying that practical wisdom needs to accompany rules otherwise bureaucracy and "standard procedures" end up replacing people using and developing their moral will and moral skill.
It is so refreshing to hear a discourse such as this, for common sense seems to be neither practiced nor promoted enough these days. The concept of 'doing the right thing' has almost disappeared under the weight of corporatism, want, and greed. This can be made no more obvious than the travesty which has recently happened in the Gulf of Mexico for want of saving money on a proper safety valve. Jackson Brown described the morality of corporatism perfectly with the lyric/phrase "lawyers in love".
Thank you Barry Schwartz... No one listens to me when I say moral responsibility is the structure of a successful, civilized society. Now maybe someone will now that I'm not the only one saying it.
It, imo, is a matter of consideration. Business don't consider others. They consider profit and job satisfaction. People and Individuals 'can'.
I'd recommend Sir Ken Robinson's "Do schools kill creativity". But on that I'd also like people to think about what they do to teachers as mentioned this clip and inferred in Robinson's.
Another great video! I will second that as well. When you make every peg fit into a square hole all you are left with is an inability to figure out "a-round one". Kids are being indoctrinated into a prison-like education system that teaches absolutely no outside-of-the-box thinking. What ever happened to apprenticeship and mentorship?
So true today so many people say if more people were like Him or Her this world would be a better place. But honestly u don't have to be Him or Her to make the world a better place you just have to embody their virtues and learn from their virtues to make this world a better place
It will just be better, if instead of janitors there will be a professional stuff, each individual with the skill of cleaning, taking care, making food, coducting medical practice/nursering, alternative treatments, etc, eventually higher sallaries, and everything works better.
bottom line, in the end of the day the work will be easier, the hospital cleaner, patients will get a better service and more attention,
@telewebservices your views are about 10 or more years ahead of themselves, I think it will be like this in the future or at least I hope so. All jobs should be professional.
While I am really very surprised at the spectacle of someone advocating old-world wisdom while quoting Obama, I think that the idea of encouraging people to think is wonderful. Now, if only there were enough moral fiber left in the country to support the re-education of America, we might have a chance.
"one way NOT to do it: teach more ethics courses. There is no better way to show people that you're not serious than to tie up everything you have to say about ethics into a little package, with a bow, and consign it to the margins as an ethics course." 14:02
Rather, loucious, ethics needs to be at the root of every course.
Eg: english media -- "liberate" students from the media, rather than, as the curriculum guidelines suggests, "empower" them through media.
@HungryJ111 Yeah I know he said that but I don't know if I fully agree with him over that. I just know with me, I learn more ethics/morals in a class which is specifically dedicated to that subject. In every other class, you may talk about ethics maybe on one day but the focus is elsewhere. But yes I agree with you that ethics should make up more of the foundation of education, but it might be hard to do without becoming fragmented. Cheers.
And also, to work to change the idea that they are "bird" courses - the truth is, mathematics and sciences are placed at higher significance than the arts. I've seen it at my school and I see it in the media.
i work at a call center. call centers play themselves off as caring about customers, and some of the employees in them honestly do, but i wish companies like that were more aware of this kind of state of mind. he should do seminars or something for businesses
@ 10:35 "We need more rules for the bankers, for god sakes." ... I dont see the libertarianism there. I dont hear an arguement for less rules and regulations, just an appeal to the use of wisdom when acting upon those rules. Kinda like what bank regulators shoulda been doing for the past while.
There is no such a thing as a very important versus very unimportant job
There are only jobs created to service needs of others and jobs created by force
A banker and a janitor service other people if created by mutual non-violent agreements .... but a banker and a janitor get their job by force if they force others to give them more money than their services are worth
The second is the role of the government ... to create jobs by force
god didn't make these people do anything. they do it them selves and so their accomplishments are thanks to them selves and anyone else that helped. If they didn't mention god then god has nothing to do with it.
therealsparano, dude, u have been reading too many dungeons and dragons books. gods, dragons, fairies, santa claus, there r just fantasies that people make up.
@nicksdd Awesomely unwise, just like Obama, and Bush. He tells us things that are obvious (or obviously wrong) and then acts like he is revealing some profundity. He even realizes that he's full of baloney when he states at 5:48, "Now, I hope that we all know this. There is a sense in which it is obvious, ..." Yeah you idiot. It is obvious and stop being so pretentious. I stopped listening after that. Worse are his ideas on choice. Which are obviously wrong.
@MikoWilson Did you see his video on choice? This guy is a nasty old curmudgeon who doesn't like himself or other people having choices. He finds it difficult to pick out a salad dressing flavor, and assumes you do too. He wants a simpler life where the government makes all your decisions for you because you are incompetent. Only he wants to do that be eliminating most of your choices.
@ReligionOfNice Are you actually being serious? He isn't saying that he wants to take away choice at the super market, only that our plethera of choice has deminsihed the result of our choice. It's called the tragedy of choice, and is a well establish theory that this guy did NOT make up. The rest of what you are saying is basically too crazy to even comprehend because it has nothing to do with anything this man has said. Government making all of your choice for you? What? Crazy.
@MikoWilson See his other TED video. It's a stupid theory. See my comments there to find out why. Even primitive societies have a plethera of choice. This guy has be criticized all over the internet by lots of people. It's a stupid theory.
@MikoWilson Also the reason I oppose Bush, Obama, Clinton, Gore, McCain, etc. is because I DON'T want to watch the world burn. I guess you support Obama's torture, ramping up of drone strikes, continuation of the war, etc. I certainly don't think the world is going to burn just because I didn't listen to the rest of this pretentious asses platitudes and insane ravings.
@ReligionOfNice I'm not American, so I guess I don't support any of the people you have mentioned, and clearly you are trying to take this man's speach and make it political for your own means, which is sad. Ted is a conference that involves the participation of some of the smartest people on the planet. Let's assume for a minute that they know what they are doing and would not invite an "insane rambler" to talk. Pretentious? Maybe. Insane? I do not think you know the definition of the word.
@DanLackey ditto Jerry was my janitor in grade school. Once he played big foot in our school play. any one finds that in the job description let me know.
See Alfie Kohn's book Punished by Rewards for a good discussion of the same point about how often people have intrinsic motivation for being productive.
'Wisdom' - that's a word you never hear pass a politicians lips. Wisdom is no longer valued by the elites - which may go some way to explaining the ongoing, catastrophic collapse of our current 'predator-capitalist' system.
Ta for the share rabbitnexus. Thanks for the post TED!!!
I wonder if Schwartz realizes that the implication of what he is saying is that we need to reduce the size and scope of government in this country. An excess of rules and regulations, not to mention incentives imposed from above, all conspire to reduce the personal initiative and sense of responsibility that is the true basis of wise action.
If Obama wants us to be wiser, he needs to back off, to reduce government influence-- in effect, to do the opposite of what he currently intends to do.
Sorry, givebirthathome. I meant to give you a thumbs up, but I hit the wrong thumb by mistake :-(
I wish more people would realize, as you do, that freedom from coercive government interference is essential to human growth. The nanny state is the biggest obstacle to personal development that power hungry politicians have ever devised.
BTW, I gave birth at home twice with a midwife. In my opinion, home is the best place to have your baby.
Homebirth--there's another example of freedom leading to wisdom. In most hospital births, the mom and staff are under a great deal of rule-bound control, not allowing wisdom to operate.
And we homebirth moms have to speak out and become visible, so that this pathway for freedom and wisdom remains open for our society, and our sons and daughters.
We can't assume the homebirth option will be fully open to people under any proposed new medical plans, unless we educate our fellow citizens.
W/ regards to education specifically, I think part of the reason "scripts" are used is because to do this kind of great, individually specific teaching about character/respect for learning may entail telling pupils that the correct way to think/act is something very different from the way their parents think/act, or form the way most people in their part of the country/tax bracket act. To teach you what cartoon robots at the state legislature told you to is much more benine /populist.
Use your brain, act as the situation demands, and don't blindly follow ideas and rules that you learn by rote, or authorities that claim to be able to reduce the world of shades of gray into simplistic black and white. Strive for practical wisdom - what a simple yet powerful concept.
I can only HOPE that the people that were there & the people that are watching this on youtube will be able to take this information with them when they leave the lecture or watch it & take it back to the work place or in the world and put these words of wisdom into practice! That is the real test!!!
Hehe I was thinking about the same concepts today and incidentally stumbled on this video (funny how some days seem to have a theme to them). For example whats wrong with being stopped by a police officer while speeding? Its never the intention that counts but only the act of (usually biased) observance. Our society is very limiting and does not breathe. It is very stiff and inorganic. Its only up to everyday folk - the foundation of everything - to change anything.
Its time we accept obedience to dogma and vague principles is never the answer.
Reality has thousands of variables that for the most part are beyond calculation and life is best handled with flexibility and compassion.
Naturally there must be regulations, but this must be tempered with what the Buddhists refer to as The Middle Way.
History has shown any attempt to rigidly apply ideology will always create extremes, such as the US Bible belt, Sharia law, Nazism, communism and capitalism
I still wonder why there are people left who believe that another puppet will save them in their fight against the evil elite. A new President does their bidding or is shot - that's obvious for CENTURIES.
A new pope, a new queen, a new mafia don, a new war lord, a new secretary of war, a new persident, a new publisher, a new rock star, a new judge is never going to change the system or bring hope, because there are many very, very powerful people behind him who won't let him.
i wonder why it is impossible to simply change things. He is right about rules and showing the way not to do things. I wonder how you can make someone respect learning, i suppose it is mainly how we are brought up. But i ask, if everyone were educated well, and accepted real words of wisdom, where would we be in 10 years?
Why does the lecturer feel the need to 'explain' the moral virtue (!) of not vacuuming in someone's face? Janitors know this *instinctively* just as you and I do. It's just called being civilized and courteous, like not sitting in occupied chairs!
Centralization = no local control = impose inflexible rules and standards from afar = still no local control = disaster every time.
Local authority always works best. Only locals can be true experts able to improvise and act wisely in real time.
I think there is a limit to expansion, Also i think balance is important, Competition is not meant in order to kill, but in order to improve, The USA didn't go the way Barry Shwartz is preaching about, Being simple, Being empathic, letting people grow spiritually enhance and be able to chose better choices for themselves and for others, the FED has been giving us a reality of surviving the amazon river, not a reality of love and compassion.
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fucking people clap at anything. obama wasn't anywhere near and they still clapped like he was standing behind the podium wtf. i think it's got to do with americans' need to go 'WOO'
I do not know how libertarianism is association with coercion. How is it that a system that gives complete freedom and open competition due such a thing? Rather strange... And how is it that the voucher system give more power to the federal government? The choice making process is in the hands of the public not of the gov.
And the voucher system works, putting teachers and the educational system in their place as service providers while giving clients, the general public the power to choose schools to which they pay for in any case. Maybe it isn't a politically feasible system, since civil servants hate competition, and as always, politics just ruins things.
Some voucher systems might work. A federal voucher system merely puts private institutions under control of the federal government. It is antithetical to a libertarian position.
Who cares what -ism it falls under or which one he supports or does not. The question is not how to label this person. The question is whether what he says makes any sense.
Friedman was a Nazi and the man most responsible for the current economic mess. He should be dug up and (urinated) on.
If you think he is so wonderful you must be the same kind of (feces) eating maggot.
Please post comments here geezzer, and don't avoid public opinion its cowardly. Ah, get a thesaurus, helps filter out derogatory/profane and useless words.
Ah, to Geezzer and the like minded, Milton Friedman was a libertarian. He did not condone capitalism, was not in favor of big business, nor governmental intervention. I would suggest you educate yourself on the matter, read. Don't just read the back cover of books, magazine covers, or newspaper headlines. Remember, scientists, like Friedman, dedicate their lives to research and a vast majority do not hold such unilateral ideas. And, do not misinterpret on purpose, use a dictionary.
Friedman was not a libertarian. He belonged the the Chicago school of Economics. That basically means that he was a libertarian when it suited him. He, for example, believed in preserving the powers of the Fed.
I'm sorry to inform you that he was a libertarian. If those in power, when advised by him, did not follow his words to the letter that is another matter. He said many times that it is one thing to give advice, another entirely to have it accepted. He was not in favor of the federal government, he was not in favor of the monopolies your government creates through its interventions and the list goes on. If it were up to Friedman, small shops would have as much competitive power as corporations.
Are you "informing" me of something? Many Libertarians do not accept Friedman even when they recognize that he made important contributions. He was in favor of a number of changes that make small businesses less competitive. For example, besides the Fed, he introduced the idea of school vouchers which are effectively a public-private partnership, the worst of both worlds.
Ok, What is a libertarian? I've been a libertarian, dare I label myself, for most of my life. Also, socialists, most of which never read beyond Marx's 'The Capital' back cover, call libertarianism a mixed economy. If anything, libertarianism is an almost complete divide between economy and state. The only thing intervening would be the judicial system. This only to force the execution of contracts. And adding, I am not a 'Friedian', nothing is black and white, we choose from the shades of gray.
Hasatum is right to worry about the undercurrents of this lecture being anti-capitalist and pushing for greater moral authority in government.
I would encourage people to watch Barry Schwartz's "The Paradox of Choice" to compare.
There he suggests to move more decision making processes away from the individual and onto society AND that redistribution of wealth would make everyone happier.
Barry Schwartz subtly argues for socialism/communism.
EXCEPTIONAL!! Flawless speech, one of the best TED talks I have seen.
Hallibutbouy 2 weeks ago
45 people are not wise.
TomFynn 4 weeks ago
i think THIS guy should work in the government hes perceptive and we need that
MrSyntheticDesign 1 month ago
practically why has common sense, become so uncommon?
4lula4 1 month ago
And after all that his glasses stayed on his face!
TheLaughingOut 1 month ago
This guy left me with hope for the future.
Wartsall 2 months ago
ain't watched this (yet) so maybe it's already in it - the 1-size-fits-all thing, it's intended to remove the soul. it makes it easier for the problem to keep files on everyone & everything - it wants everything to be able to be put into a database, and all decisions just like a computer program, so it overwrites the operating system of logic-proper we're born with, with one that allows it to categorise and label things. and barcode them, etc.
some of that - useful. not applied to life though.
JustSomePerson888 2 months ago
people have cultural rules for the same reasons we put leashes on dogs - the world that's been made out of nature isn't one we can exist in safely. so there's this one-size-fits-all attitude applied to eveyone regardless of level of development - since there'd be no way to have programmed means of figuring out how developed any individual actually is.
if some people hadn't ruined this planet then dogs wouldn't need leashes - except ones that chase say farmers animals, when they're around there
JustSomePerson888 2 months ago
hahah , he's against George Bush .....
michiyo1986 2 months ago
@michiyo1986 who isn't!?
smithy2306 2 months ago
Interestingly, the kind of bureaucracy gone mad which Schwartz describes is especially rampant in the oh-so-free United States. Americans lack wisdom even more than any other people. They can't handle freedom.
Pastor9764 2 months ago 4
Politicians will appeal to things like virtue and hope to get elected. What was said, what was done, and what we have are very different things.
floydsgarage 2 months ago
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom..." says the sage in the book of Proverbs. The ultimate wisdom is realizing Who God is, realizing who you are, and realizing that, on your own merit, you're headed for destruction on an eternal scale. Jesus. Jesus is wisdom.
andrewdreiling11 3 months ago
It is certainly true that sometimes I see an odd phenomenon where somebody tells me: "That is the exception, not the rule!" when an individual breaks code. Although, a part of me wonders if the very "rule" put in place was out of hyper-vigilance towards an exception that was displeasing. In this case, I don't think having rules are bad, but more-so the reluctance to augment the rule. Instead, you get an argument shakily attempting to keep the status-quo, which I find sad. It's easy on the brain,
ACANOFSODA 3 months ago
All sounded interesting and very plausable. I´m not sure about the surveys but either way he had valid points in telling the psychological developement of the people in the terms of moral thinking. As far as the part with the teachers and the curiculum goes, that part gave me a small tear because it´s exactly how I´ve thought throughout the years in the teachers academy. Sure we get security in these rules but we get only mediocry.
MangaManiac 3 months ago
High value should be placed on personal initiative. Those who do things simply because they are told to are slaves of the spirit; whereas brave people armed with the spirit of independence who voluntarily strive to fulfill their unique mission (or use of their life) have no complaints or grievances. In fact, it could be said that the greater the obstacles they face, the greater the innate courage, wisdom + power they muster from within.
77777aol 3 months ago 2
'Knowledge is power' but wisdom is more powerful! Knowledge relates to the past [facts] whereas wisdom relates to the future [how knowledge is used].The spirit of a teacher is instrumental for the growth of students:If a student's relationship with their teacher is of 'not wishing to let their teacher down',then they have a healthy relationship with them;so long as the teacher's intentions are sincere+honorable. The crucial thing about a mentor is asking yourself,'what has your mentor achieved?'
77777aol 3 months ago
Th guy has a really valid false.
But the study about the 'nuclear waste in switzerland seems false.
The reality is that most people DO run by incentives (unless there is a possibility that they might be criminal activities [that could be easily revealed])
As for the survey, they just wanted to show themselves to others that they are not greedy and 'socially conscious individuals'. This was an act of pleasing the surveyor. Just my bit of 'common sense' stating the stupidity of that survey. And...
KevinSlasHr 4 months ago
@KevinSlasHr
They participants in the survey knew it wasn't gonna happen. 'So what is the point in making themselves look greedy'.
If u want REAL observations and more truthful surveys...take one experiment...Just let the Switzerland govt. to pass a law giving away '6 million' to people allowing nuclear waste in their neighborhood.
I will GUARANTEE more people will be living.
KevinSlasHr 4 months ago
This is terrific because it is so self-evident.
LearningThings 4 months ago
Safeguard practical Wisdome, just as the bible tells in Proverbs 3:21. this is a really nice and inspiring video :)
johnnyskate 6 months ago
I WANT MORE CHOICE! I WANT FREEDOM YOU PIECE OF SHIT!
jajajaja2006 6 months ago
He really needs to push those glasses up, he looks ridiculous.
ButtplugMcGee 6 months ago
@ButtplugMcGee It's because they're reading glasses, if he pushed them up he wouldn't be able to see the audience.
milligoree 6 months ago
@milligoree he needs them up to read his audience :p
QuantumProphet 6 months ago
stunning speech, almost as good as Steve Jobs at Stamford, check that out if you already havent!
MarkCooperRunsEurope 7 months ago
Loved this. Thanks very much. This video was recommended to us after we gave this TEDx talk (The Turkey and the Crow) on the tension between expertise and creativity.
Your additional insight on the importance of moral instruction is right on. Even at the high school level, there is so much in the way of facts and details to remember that little time or thought is given to moral decision making or reasoning whether in history, science, lit or other subject. Bravo!
drseide 7 months ago
What a beautiful man
williethejayman 8 months ago
43 people have no character.
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jjpulley 9 months ago
This guys's talk is easy to understand! THanks for great infomation/.
flowewritharoma 9 months ago
Mr. Ford's Company still makes 1% of our countries GDP, that doesn't include all the people working in the raw products and selling/ servicing his products
cromartie800 10 months ago
"scripts insure against disaster, but what they ensure in its place is mediocrity"
"the reductive appeal to self-interest as the master human motive is a false description of human nature & lead to over-prescription and addiction to surface-level incentives"
love :)
AmmorMagnusDoctorEst 10 months ago
I wonder if there are tips on how teach character to someone, I find it difficult to imagine, and I teach
Pianofy 1 year ago
@Pianofy I am a teacher. You cannot teach character, except to accurately describe outcomes of negative behaviours and make it real for them. They have to each understand the negative consequences well enough that they an only be CHOOSING the consequence, if they choose the behaviour.
Besides that, you can only model it. It is the best way, if you can get them to admire you just enough to want to do as you do, and you do your best to be of sound character, it is the best way.
IMHO :)
AtheistdotEDU 11 months ago
I want to be an ordinary hero
Pianofy 1 year ago
But if we give licence to be creative with the rules .. what of all the retards? The wise are in minority, its Catch 22.
The unwise in majority no neither 'How much' nor 'How often' to bend the rules. How about an organised system or rule evolution, e.g. all judges can make exceptions no more than in 10% of cases. Periodically review the nature of the exceptions to track the trend in Common thought and update the rules accordingly. This way a system of 'wisdom' is legislated for.
helimax 1 year ago
@helimax I think the assumption that most of the humans are retards is a easy one to make in this society that is run entirely by individual choice. Everyone has different interests and specials that make communication between people even harder.
If someone does not fit your definitions of intelligence, that does not mean he is not smart or wise. I think most of the humans are smart, creative and wise creatures.
Pianofy 1 year ago
my cousin wears his sunglasses on his forehead, this guy wears his glasses on the tip of his nose 15:50, utterly amazing !
lvildos 1 year ago
Dr. Viktor Frankl, Dietrich Von Hildebrand, Karol Woytila, Corrie Ten Boom, Alice Von Hildebrand, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Fr Maximilian Kolbe, St Edith Stein.
God is Love.
Godly love limits choice.
Godly choices expand happiness.
God wants us to be happy.
"Love God and do what you will"
finishstrongdoc 1 year ago
@finishstrongdoc Reminds me of "Do what thou wilt" - A Crowley the Book of the Law
michael616joaquin 1 year ago
@michael616joaquin Good discernment ! I have noticed that too, posted it many times on Pro Life-Pro "Choice"?(really pro anarchy) blogs. Crowley "sex data" was used -Table 31 in Kinsey's "research"-( charting sex abuse of infants) as part of his propaganda to de-moralize USA. Kinsey was perverted, also used Von Balusek,Nazi child-rapist/murderer for "baseline" in his "research".Herr Hefnerr gives Kinsey credit for starting Sex Rev.St Augustine quote is last line of my Pro-God propaganda "sign".
finishstrongdoc 1 year ago
While anyone could argue the position that religion has caused most of the worlds problems, there is a reason religion exists. People are basically full of shit, and unless someone tells us this every now and then, we will continue to hurt each other. It's pretty sad that the word "morals" is so abhorrent to us highly evolved modern human beings. Preach it, Schwartzy!
SteveVader101 1 year ago
@SteveVader101 AHAHAH schwartzy
Amarynthine 1 year ago
Good to see Ben Stein lost some weight. Also he must of finally kicked his peregoric(liquid opiate for tummy aches, otc into the early 70's. ahh the good ole days) as evidenced by lack of his trade mark slow but pleasant speaking voice. thus its understandable he changed his name and is in the motivational speech biz. btw, am i an aszhole?
emotionalinvalid 1 year ago
One way NOT to remoralize work - teach more ethics courses... so correct and true :)
santoshsangem 1 year ago
Much of what he is talking about has to do with how legalistic we've become. The willingness to sue other people (as a form of winning the lottery) is WAY too common.
The other is an extremely paternalistic government which more and more grows because people want the AUTHORITY to solve all their problems.
ManchuDan22 1 year ago
41 people in the world are blind.. this speech is AWESOME!
FranDS4444 1 year ago
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ablaaa 1 year ago
"Excessive incentives demoralize and reduces morality.
Celebrate moral exemplars.
Demand that people who teach - acknowledge and celebrate moral heroes.
Any work you do that involves other people is moral work.
We should strive to be moral exemplars - someone is always watching.
Practical wisdom allows the other virtues to be displayed.
People want to be allowed to to be virtuous.
Organizations should structure themselves to support rather than suppress wisdom."
TobiLytle 1 year ago 21
Wow this guy just described me =D I follow these principals in my life
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This man is a prime example of mans wisdom being foolishness. There is only 1 man that has ever lived who is wise, and He is Jesus Christ, who has the very wisdom of God dwelling in Him, who is the Holy Spirit. Unless you come to Him so that He may dwell in you, all you will ever accomplish is foolishness, which only leads to death and condemnation. None of these people can make you wise unto salvation, this is what Jesus does for us through His love, mercy and grace. Praise His Holy Name!
musikmanea 1 year ago
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JESUS CHRIST. You are a joke.
MrCerebralCortex 1 year ago
This guy is amazing. I support this!
Zephymos 1 year ago 2
How do I give this guy a million thumbs up? He has so many great points!
drummerclint 1 year ago 19
wtf is this guy all about?? in this video hes bashing rules. if i'm not mistaken rules limit choices, and in another video hes preaching how good limited choices are. im confused can someone help me out w/ that 1?
rigimp 1 year ago
@rigimp Hmmmm, good question. He says' people with so many choices are less happy about their choice, it's his psychological observations. Here, he is saying that being too strict leads to a static society, one in which people cannot think for themselves morally. When your boss tells you how to do your job when you know that your way is more efficient and faster, etc. When you buy your child Mike's hard lemonade on "pure accident" and the courts take him away is over-reacting.
shishimore 1 year ago
@rigimp you've oversimplified his message to the point of making it ridiculous. In his first video he's saying that choice is a paradox that has good consequences which everyone is already aware of and bad consequences such as paralysis and dissatisfaction with results due to growing expectations. In this video he's saying that practical wisdom needs to accompany rules otherwise bureaucracy and "standard procedures" end up replacing people using and developing their moral will and moral skill.
dimakritchevski 1 year ago
7:30 rules and procedure may be dumb, but they spare you from thinking
ZuaX 1 year ago
It is so refreshing to hear a discourse such as this, for common sense seems to be neither practiced nor promoted enough these days. The concept of 'doing the right thing' has almost disappeared under the weight of corporatism, want, and greed. This can be made no more obvious than the travesty which has recently happened in the Gulf of Mexico for want of saving money on a proper safety valve. Jackson Brown described the morality of corporatism perfectly with the lyric/phrase "lawyers in love".
harleynanda 1 year ago
this is one of the worst ,, or best ted talks around,, so bad its funny
MrMichuzz 1 year ago
Brilliant...
mepatjd 1 year ago
madhatfaesax he was only craving a slurpee :)
nanaimojenny 1 year ago
I love him, godsh, he is amazing.
Super amazinｇ！！
kchen5 1 year ago
Thank you Barry Schwartz... No one listens to me when I say moral responsibility is the structure of a successful, civilized society. Now maybe someone will now that I'm not the only one saying it.
maddcatone 1 year ago
@maddcatone
I've been saying for quite some time. Barry Schwartz says what numerous have noted, discussed, but have not voiced loudly.
However I think his paradox of choice in tandem with this brings forth numerous problems of the modern world.
casserras 1 year ago
@casserras then we are in agreement 8)
maddcatone 1 year ago
It, imo, is a matter of consideration. Business don't consider others. They consider profit and job satisfaction. People and Individuals 'can'.
I'd recommend Sir Ken Robinson's "Do schools kill creativity". But on that I'd also like people to think about what they do to teachers as mentioned this clip and inferred in Robinson's.
casserras 1 year ago
Another great video! I will second that as well. When you make every peg fit into a square hole all you are left with is an inability to figure out "a-round one". Kids are being indoctrinated into a prison-like education system that teaches absolutely no outside-of-the-box thinking. What ever happened to apprenticeship and mentorship?
maddcatone 1 year ago 3
the subtitles say 7year old son and he said 11.,lol,.ace
madhatfaesax 1 year ago 3
So true today so many people say if more people were like Him or Her this world would be a better place. But honestly u don't have to be Him or Her to make the world a better place you just have to embody their virtues and learn from their virtues to make this world a better place
JRODTHEVID 1 year ago
or just think a bit more
madhatfaesax 1 year ago
this guy is really interesting can anyone recommended a book of his?
Crazylalalalala 2 years ago
@Crazylalalalala
Paradox of Choice.
bleuroo 1 year ago
@Crazylalalalala
Yes. He wrote a book called "The Paradox of Choice".
casserras 1 year ago
It will just be better, if instead of janitors there will be a professional stuff, each individual with the skill of cleaning, taking care, making food, coducting medical practice/nursering, alternative treatments, etc, eventually higher sallaries, and everything works better.
bottom line, in the end of the day the work will be easier, the hospital cleaner, patients will get a better service and more attention,
telewebservices 2 years ago
you'd like a person that cares for the job and patients, that is the job, so
even doctors should find the time to take care of the surroundings otherwise they are not really experiencing what is going on in their environment.
telewebservices 2 years ago
@telewebservices your views are about 10 or more years ahead of themselves, I think it will be like this in the future or at least I hope so. All jobs should be professional.
sacsofmoney 6 months ago
@sacsofmoney danke :)
telewebservices 6 months ago
While I am really very surprised at the spectacle of someone advocating old-world wisdom while quoting Obama, I think that the idea of encouraging people to think is wonderful. Now, if only there were enough moral fiber left in the country to support the re-education of America, we might have a chance.
MICHAEL
sarMICHAEL 2 years ago
Amen. I get the chills when I watch ted videos like this
Pasdriz 2 years ago
I think they need to make philosophy & ethics in school compulsory rather than elective
loucious22 2 years ago 3
@loucious22
"one way NOT to do it: teach more ethics courses. There is no better way to show people that you're not serious than to tie up everything you have to say about ethics into a little package, with a bow, and consign it to the margins as an ethics course." 14:02
Rather, loucious, ethics needs to be at the root of every course.
Eg: english media -- "liberate" students from the media, rather than, as the curriculum guidelines suggests, "empower" them through media.
HungryJ111 2 years ago
@HungryJ111 Yeah I know he said that but I don't know if I fully agree with him over that. I just know with me, I learn more ethics/morals in a class which is specifically dedicated to that subject. In every other class, you may talk about ethics maybe on one day but the focus is elsewhere. But yes I agree with you that ethics should make up more of the foundation of education, but it might be hard to do without becoming fragmented. Cheers.
loucious22 2 years ago
And also, to work to change the idea that they are "bird" courses - the truth is, mathematics and sciences are placed at higher significance than the arts. I've seen it at my school and I see it in the media.
SoConfused1031 2 years ago
Your a smart guy for making that point. I entirely agree!
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hhiippiittyy 2 years ago
i work at a call center. call centers play themselves off as caring about customers, and some of the employees in them honestly do, but i wish companies like that were more aware of this kind of state of mind. he should do seminars or something for businesses
rangusroung 2 years ago 2
it's simply called "service mind".
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TheRealSparano 2 years ago
disiz like an argument for libertarianism
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fordieform 2 years ago
@ 10:35 "We need more rules for the bankers, for god sakes." ... I dont see the libertarianism there. I dont hear an arguement for less rules and regulations, just an appeal to the use of wisdom when acting upon those rules. Kinda like what bank regulators shoulda been doing for the past while.
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hhiippiittyy 2 years ago
What's the "?" for? Do you not understand?
HelloGoodbyeBlueSkys 2 years ago
not at all, actually.
hockeybum90n5 2 years ago
I think being a janitor in a hospital is a very important job
Naobi891 2 years ago
There is no such a thing as a very important versus very unimportant job
There are only jobs created to service needs of others and jobs created by force
A banker and a janitor service other people if created by mutual non-violent agreements .... but a banker and a janitor get their job by force if they force others to give them more money than their services are worth
The second is the role of the government ... to create jobs by force
AncientMarinerNY 2 years ago
@AncientMarinerNY the value of a service depends on demand and it's percieved value, not force. What force exactly are you speaking of?
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It was voted away on account of being moronic.
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And how do they accomplish this without GOD didn't hear him mention GOD once ..Thank you GOD and more to come
TheRealSparano 2 years ago
god didn't make these people do anything. they do it them selves and so their accomplishments are thanks to them selves and anyone else that helped. If they didn't mention god then god has nothing to do with it.
daren901 2 years ago
therealsparano, dude, u have been reading too many dungeons and dragons books. gods, dragons, fairies, santa claus, there r just fantasies that people make up.
kajmobile 2 years ago
May the Schwartz be with you. Seriously though, this guys awesome.
nicksdd 2 years ago 62
I actually logged in to thumb this up.
zibobi02 2 years ago
@nicksdd Awesomely unwise, just like Obama, and Bush. He tells us things that are obvious (or obviously wrong) and then acts like he is revealing some profundity. He even realizes that he's full of baloney when he states at 5:48, "Now, I hope that we all know this. There is a sense in which it is obvious, ..." Yeah you idiot. It is obvious and stop being so pretentious. I stopped listening after that. Worse are his ideas on choice. Which are obviously wrong.
ReligionOfNice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfNice Yikes, it's true, some people just want to see the world burn.
MikoWilson 1 year ago
@MikoWilson Did you see his video on choice? This guy is a nasty old curmudgeon who doesn't like himself or other people having choices. He finds it difficult to pick out a salad dressing flavor, and assumes you do too. He wants a simpler life where the government makes all your decisions for you because you are incompetent. Only he wants to do that be eliminating most of your choices.
ReligionOfNice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfNice Are you actually being serious? He isn't saying that he wants to take away choice at the super market, only that our plethera of choice has deminsihed the result of our choice. It's called the tragedy of choice, and is a well establish theory that this guy did NOT make up. The rest of what you are saying is basically too crazy to even comprehend because it has nothing to do with anything this man has said. Government making all of your choice for you? What? Crazy.
MikoWilson 1 year ago
@MikoWilson See his other TED video. It's a stupid theory. See my comments there to find out why. Even primitive societies have a plethera of choice. This guy has be criticized all over the internet by lots of people. It's a stupid theory.
ReligionOfNice 1 year ago
@MikoWilson Also the reason I oppose Bush, Obama, Clinton, Gore, McCain, etc. is because I DON'T want to watch the world burn. I guess you support Obama's torture, ramping up of drone strikes, continuation of the war, etc. I certainly don't think the world is going to burn just because I didn't listen to the rest of this pretentious asses platitudes and insane ravings.
ReligionOfNice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfNice I'm not American, so I guess I don't support any of the people you have mentioned, and clearly you are trying to take this man's speach and make it political for your own means, which is sad. Ted is a conference that involves the participation of some of the smartest people on the planet. Let's assume for a minute that they know what they are doing and would not invite an "insane rambler" to talk. Pretentious? Maybe. Insane? I do not think you know the definition of the word.
MikoWilson 1 year ago
such an amazing talk... "wisdom: should be our top value
MrSagalag 2 years ago 2
key word?
EMPATHY= solving every problem the human race has!
Most people believe they know how to empathise, unfortunately, that belief is misplaced!
Want to be a better person?
Learn how to undertand others!
This guy is correct!
commonsensrules 2 years ago 10
Distant memory sparked by this talk: how the janitor at my grade school was a beloved guy.
DanLackey 2 years ago 45
@DanLackey ditto Jerry was my janitor in grade school. Once he played big foot in our school play. any one finds that in the job description let me know.
Darc1228 1 year ago
@DanLackey
At my school as well. After we finished school we often met with him for a beer. Cool times back then :ß
sooperfukker 1 year ago
Exactly:)
deevinewizzdumb 2 years ago 2
See Alfie Kohn's book Punished by Rewards for a good discussion of the same point about how often people have intrinsic motivation for being productive.
givebirthathome 2 years ago
Thanks for this one. It appealed to me, especially as a trigger for wider thoughts. Rabbit head still spinning just now, about it all.
RabbitNexus 2 years ago
'Wisdom' - that's a word you never hear pass a politicians lips. Wisdom is no longer valued by the elites - which may go some way to explaining the ongoing, catastrophic collapse of our current 'predator-capitalist' system.
Ta for the share rabbitnexus. Thanks for the post TED!!!
1966BOBBY 2 years ago 3
I wonder if Schwartz realizes that the implication of what he is saying is that we need to reduce the size and scope of government in this country. An excess of rules and regulations, not to mention incentives imposed from above, all conspire to reduce the personal initiative and sense of responsibility that is the true basis of wise action.
If Obama wants us to be wiser, he needs to back off, to reduce government influence-- in effect, to do the opposite of what he currently intends to do.
gtarmom 2 years ago
Yes, the reduction of freedom is one of the ways people stop being wise, and start being passive followers.
givebirthathome 2 years ago
Sorry, givebirthathome. I meant to give you a thumbs up, but I hit the wrong thumb by mistake :-(
I wish more people would realize, as you do, that freedom from coercive government interference is essential to human growth. The nanny state is the biggest obstacle to personal development that power hungry politicians have ever devised.
BTW, I gave birth at home twice with a midwife. In my opinion, home is the best place to have your baby.
gtarmom 2 years ago
Homebirth--there's another example of freedom leading to wisdom. In most hospital births, the mom and staff are under a great deal of rule-bound control, not allowing wisdom to operate.
And we homebirth moms have to speak out and become visible, so that this pathway for freedom and wisdom remains open for our society, and our sons and daughters.
We can't assume the homebirth option will be fully open to people under any proposed new medical plans, unless we educate our fellow citizens.
givebirthathome 2 years ago 2
W/ regards to education specifically, I think part of the reason "scripts" are used is because to do this kind of great, individually specific teaching about character/respect for learning may entail telling pupils that the correct way to think/act is something very different from the way their parents think/act, or form the way most people in their part of the country/tax bracket act. To teach you what cartoon robots at the state legislature told you to is much more benine /populist.
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JimiHendrixisGodness 2 years ago
Practical wisdom = pragmatism?
Aaberg123 2 years ago
i wonder what the janitors at TED are like?
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chawk111 2 years ago
They clean the toilet in the green room differently depending on the life philosophy of the speaker.
chawk111 2 years ago
I love this guy.
He's brilliant.
molewizard 2 years ago 2
me too. i took his class once.
mrbobbywong 2 years ago
I am so jealous! My psychology professors weren't exactly TED material...
yeldarbo 2 years ago
This is the best speech I have ever seen.
youvebeenthunderstru 2 years ago 2
does anyone know the year/country this video was recorded in?
tillo2008 2 years ago
it says it at the beginning Feb. 2009 Long Beach California
sony49 2 years ago
to be honest, most of the time I just blast it while I'm doing dishes or tidying :P I've never noticed that before haha.
I <3 da brainfood TEDTube gibs me in my ear holez.
thanks for pointing it out, I appreciate it
tillo2008 2 years ago
Use your brain, act as the situation demands, and don't blindly follow ideas and rules that you learn by rote, or authorities that claim to be able to reduce the world of shades of gray into simplistic black and white. Strive for practical wisdom - what a simple yet powerful concept.
Excellent lecture!
Stegocephalian 2 years ago 2
Very nice lecture!
I can only HOPE that the people that were there & the people that are watching this on youtube will be able to take this information with them when they leave the lecture or watch it & take it back to the work place or in the world and put these words of wisdom into practice! That is the real test!!!
Again a very brilliant lecture!
Thank you.
darthsideous1968 2 years ago
Cool. I had no idea the Sith were so anti-bureaucratic.
acr08807 2 years ago
Hehe I was thinking about the same concepts today and incidentally stumbled on this video (funny how some days seem to have a theme to them). For example whats wrong with being stopped by a police officer while speeding? Its never the intention that counts but only the act of (usually biased) observance. Our society is very limiting and does not breathe. It is very stiff and inorganic. Its only up to everyday folk - the foundation of everything - to change anything.
ImOnTheTube 2 years ago
But until Avril's going to have 118 mln + views nothings gonna change here.
ImOnTheTube 2 years ago
Its time we accept obedience to dogma and vague principles is never the answer.
Reality has thousands of variables that for the most part are beyond calculation and life is best handled with flexibility and compassion.
Naturally there must be regulations, but this must be tempered with what the Buddhists refer to as The Middle Way.
History has shown any attempt to rigidly apply ideology will always create extremes, such as the US Bible belt, Sharia law, Nazism, communism and capitalism
yinyangnature 2 years ago 6
"build character" right on the money.
tubehax 2 years ago
Give your best - because the evil elite wants to have it from you.
trakkaton 2 years ago
Pity I just watched The Obama Deception - otherwise totally inspiring.
lostinmaya 2 years ago
I still wonder why there are people left who believe that another puppet will save them in their fight against the evil elite. A new President does their bidding or is shot - that's obvious for CENTURIES.
A new pope, a new queen, a new mafia don, a new war lord, a new secretary of war, a new persident, a new publisher, a new rock star, a new judge is never going to change the system or bring hope, because there are many very, very powerful people behind him who won't let him.
trakkaton 2 years ago
i wonder why it is impossible to simply change things. He is right about rules and showing the way not to do things. I wonder how you can make someone respect learning, i suppose it is mainly how we are brought up. But i ask, if everyone were educated well, and accepted real words of wisdom, where would we be in 10 years?
salo73 2 years ago
Why does the lecturer feel the need to 'explain' the moral virtue (!) of not vacuuming in someone's face? Janitors know this *instinctively* just as you and I do. It's just called being civilized and courteous, like not sitting in occupied chairs!
Centralization = no local control = impose inflexible rules and standards from afar = still no local control = disaster every time.
Local authority always works best. Only locals can be true experts able to improvise and act wisely in real time.
pddwatch81 2 years ago
Centralization can come with local control
telewebservices 2 years ago
I think there is a limit to expansion, Also i think balance is important, Competition is not meant in order to kill, but in order to improve, The USA didn't go the way Barry Shwartz is preaching about, Being simple, Being empathic, letting people grow spiritually enhance and be able to chose better choices for themselves and for others, the FED has been giving us a reality of surviving the amazon river, not a reality of love and compassion.
telewebservices 2 years ago
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fucking people clap at anything. obama wasn't anywhere near and they still clapped like he was standing behind the podium wtf. i think it's got to do with americans' need to go 'WOO'
mazdaplz 2 years ago
I do not know how libertarianism is association with coercion. How is it that a system that gives complete freedom and open competition due such a thing? Rather strange... And how is it that the voucher system give more power to the federal government? The choice making process is in the hands of the public not of the gov.
Reykjadal 2 years ago
And the voucher system works, putting teachers and the educational system in their place as service providers while giving clients, the general public the power to choose schools to which they pay for in any case. Maybe it isn't a politically feasible system, since civil servants hate competition, and as always, politics just ruins things.
Reykjadal 2 years ago
Some voucher systems might work. A federal voucher system merely puts private institutions under control of the federal government. It is antithetical to a libertarian position.
hasatum 2 years ago
I completely agree with Barry Schwartz here. Completely.
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rutgermsc 2 years ago
Who cares what -ism it falls under or which one he supports or does not. The question is not how to label this person. The question is whether what he says makes any sense.
I think it does.
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Yes Sir!!!!
Stuff it up your (anus, rectum, etc)!
Friedman was a Nazi and the man most responsible for the current economic mess. He should be dug up and (urinated) on.
If you think he is so wonderful you must be the same kind of (feces) eating maggot.
Please post comments here geezzer, and don't avoid public opinion its cowardly. Ah, get a thesaurus, helps filter out derogatory/profane and useless words.
Reykjadal 2 years ago
Ah, to Geezzer and the like minded, Milton Friedman was a libertarian. He did not condone capitalism, was not in favor of big business, nor governmental intervention. I would suggest you educate yourself on the matter, read. Don't just read the back cover of books, magazine covers, or newspaper headlines. Remember, scientists, like Friedman, dedicate their lives to research and a vast majority do not hold such unilateral ideas. And, do not misinterpret on purpose, use a dictionary.
Reykjadal 2 years ago
Friedman was not a libertarian. He belonged the the Chicago school of Economics. That basically means that he was a libertarian when it suited him. He, for example, believed in preserving the powers of the Fed.
hasatum 2 years ago
I'm sorry to inform you that he was a libertarian. If those in power, when advised by him, did not follow his words to the letter that is another matter. He said many times that it is one thing to give advice, another entirely to have it accepted. He was not in favor of the federal government, he was not in favor of the monopolies your government creates through its interventions and the list goes on. If it were up to Friedman, small shops would have as much competitive power as corporations.
Reykjadal 2 years ago
Are you "informing" me of something? Many Libertarians do not accept Friedman even when they recognize that he made important contributions. He was in favor of a number of changes that make small businesses less competitive. For example, besides the Fed, he introduced the idea of school vouchers which are effectively a public-private partnership, the worst of both worlds.
hasatum 2 years ago
Ok, What is a libertarian? I've been a libertarian, dare I label myself, for most of my life. Also, socialists, most of which never read beyond Marx's 'The Capital' back cover, call libertarianism a mixed economy. If anything, libertarianism is an almost complete divide between economy and state. The only thing intervening would be the judicial system. This only to force the execution of contracts. And adding, I am not a 'Friedian', nothing is black and white, we choose from the shades of gray.
Reykjadal 2 years ago
I'm glad to hear that you are not an extremist. Libertarianism is at it its core about voluntary association without coercion.
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Reykjadal 2 years ago
Hasatum is right to worry about the undercurrents of this lecture being anti-capitalist and pushing for greater moral authority in government.
I would encourage people to watch Barry Schwartz's "The Paradox of Choice" to compare.
There he suggests to move more decision making processes away from the individual and onto society AND that redistribution of wealth would make everyone happier.
Barry Schwartz subtly argues for socialism/communism.
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